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02-13-2012, 10:51 PM
now that bradley has officially signed the contract, we can open an official fight thread. i'll start by posting a link to an interesting article - http://www.mydesert.com/article/20120209/SPORTS03/202090319/Manny-Pacquiao-s-trainer-already-throwing-verbal-jabs-calling-Tim-Bradley-dirty-fighter?odyssey=nav%7chead. even though it's bradley who's moving up one weight division, he could be the bigger fighter come fight night.

“A lot of people think I'm the smaller guy, that I'm the little guy, this is what the public doesn't realize, when I was 16, I didn't fight at 118. I fought at 152 pounds when I was 16. I naturally walk around at 160, 165 pounds. . I'm a naturally bigger guy even though I fought at 140 and he fought at 147."

“If you look at my muscle mass, his muscle mass, I'm the bigger guy. What Manny does have is bigger legs. His legs are ridiculous. Where he makes up for it is his leg, I make up for it with the top half of my body. I'm used to fighting guys 6-0, 5-10. So the whole power thing of me being the little guy, you can throw that out the window. That won't be the case during the fight.”

04-20-2012, 04:00 PM
Manny hasn't knocked down an opponent in a while. He has to show his old fire in this fight or else he might confirm suspicions that he is past his prime.

05-17-2012, 08:34 AM
Pacquiao Bradley reminds me of another similar fight in the early eighties which pitted a boxing legend in his prime moving up in weight class against a bigger, undefeated junior middleweight champion possessing knockout power but lacking in pro experience.

Roberto Duran vs Davey Moore.

Moore was 12-0 when he faced Duran to defend his WBA junior middlewight crown. Many predicted that he would "turn the Hands of Stone into powder." But Duran's experience was too much for Moore to overcome, and Duran TKO'd him in eight rounds, but not before closing shut both of Davey's eyes and wearing him down with sheer power punching volume.

While Bradley may have had more ring experience compared to Moore, his knockout power seems suspect. We may see the same kind of fight, and hopefully the same result.

05-18-2012, 05:46 PM
Bradley thinks he could win, but based on Pac's dedication now in training and re-born lifestyle, I think Manny stops him late in the fight, Pacman hasnt scored a KO since '09, Marquez maybe right when he thinks Bradley wont be able to hurt Pacquiao.

05-31-2012, 02:27 PM
bradley has skills but i doubt he has the power to keep manny wary. you look at his record and he has 12KOs in 28 fights. you can't succeed at this level if you're feather fisted. yes he KOd casamayor in his last fight but that was a watered down, washed up version of the great cuban champion. he did score flash knockdowns vs junior witter and lamont peterson though, eventually winning both fights by decision.

my prediction is bradley will get knocked down early, maybe in the 2nd or 3rd down. he'll be more shocked than hurt, having underestimated manny's speed as most opponents do. manny will test tim's power and conclude that he can take his punches. tim will think he has manny figured out and start to trade in the middle. big mistake as he goes down again maybe in the 7th or 8th round. tim will run the rest of the way, just trying to survive the full 12 rounds as manny coasts to a wide UD win.

06-10-2012, 03:39 PM
Bradley stuns Pacquiao to claim WBO crown

By Camille B. Naredo, ABS-CBNnews.com
Posted at 06/10/2012 1:01 PM | Updated as of 06/10/2012 3:00 PM

WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao (L) of the Philippines fights Timothy Bradley Jr. of the U.S. during their title fight at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada June 10, 2012 (Manila time). REUTERS/Steve Marcus
MANILA, Philippines (2ndUPDATE) -- Unbeaten American boxer Timothy Bradley Jr. pulled off a stunning upset by dethroning Filipino boxing icon Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao in their world Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight clash at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

The unfancied Bradley claimed Pacquiao's WBO crown after winning via a controversial split decision 113-115, 115-113, and 115-113.

Bradley, who was extremely confident going into the fight, extended his unbeaten streak to 29 fights, while Pacquiao sustained his fourth career loss against 54 wins and two draws.

It was Pacquiao's first career defeat since a 2005 decision loss to Mexican legend Erik Morales.

Following that loss to Morales, Pacquiao went on an impressive winning streak, becoming the sport's pound-for-pound king by defeating boxers like Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito and Ricky Hatton.

"I accept what the result is. I respect the judges, I cannot blame them. It is part of the game. I give thanks to the Lord. I do my best, but my best wasn't good enough," Pacquiao said in a ringside interview.

But the Filipino champion insisted that he believes he won the fight.

"The fight was good, and he's not an easy opponent. He was very strong and he moved around, I mean, I respect that. But I believe I won the fight," Pacquiao said.

Pacquiao said he did not expect Bradley to back off from him, as he expected the unbeaten American to be aggressive.

The Filipino champion added that Bradley did not hurt him during their 12-round encounter. "Most of his punches hit my arms. I don't know what happened," he said.

"But the decision is already done, and I give credit to him," Pacquiao added.

In the press-conference, Pacquiao reiterated that he "100%" believes that he won the fight.

"I could give him three rounds. But almost every round, I hurt hum. I knew he felt that," Pacquiao said.

Body shots

The fight was slightly delayed as Pacquiao was reportedly watching Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals, wherein his team, the Boston Celtics, lost to the Miami Heat.

HBO even said before the fight that Pacquiao could not be found in his locker room, but it was later revealed that trainer Freddie Roach had Pacquiao stretch his calves on a treadmill.

Both boxers entered the arena to an enthusiastic ovation, with Pacquiao coming out to his usual ring entrance song "Eye of the Tiger."

Bradley had some success in the early rounds when he targeted Pacquiao's body, but was stunned late in the first when Pacquiao landed powerful left hands to his head.

Pacquiao was in control of the middle rounds, unloading several combinations that wobbled the American boxer. He was able to stagger Bradley at numerous points during the fourth, fifth and sixth rounds, though Bradley managed to stay on his feet.

Bradley aimed to get back in the fight towards the later rounds, starting the ninth round in attack mode. But he was forced to get defensive anew as Pacquiao pressed him.

In the later rounds, however, Pacquiao seeminly took his foot off the gas pedal to start the rounds, allowing Bradley to sneak in punches to his head and body. The Filipino boxer threw less punches in the later rounds, but still managed to avoid most of Bradley's attacks.

The referee was kept busy throughout the bout as Bradley got into the habit of clinching, and in the eighth round, he had to stop the bout for a few moments to check the fighters for cuts.

He also warned both boxers in the ninth round to avoid low blows.

Fight statistics

Punch statistics were overwhelmingly in Pacquiao's favor.

According to CompuBox, Pacquiao landed more punches (253 out of 751) for 34%, while Bradley landed 159 of his 839 punches, for 19%.

Pacquiao threw and landed more power punches: 190 out of 493 for a 39% rate, while Bradley landed 108 out of 390 punches for a 28% rate.

Bradley admitted in a ringside interview that he was hurt by the Filipino boxer.

"Manny's a beast. He has fast hands, that left hand caught me a few times and hurt me," he said.

"Every round was pretty close. Pacquiao won some of the early rounds, and I controlled the later rounds with my jab," Bradley added.

He admitted that he needs to "go home and review the tape" for the bout.

"He rocked me a couple of times but I held my ground and fought to the end. This is boxing," Bradley said.

Bradley arrived at the press conference in a wheel chair, saying he injured his ankle in the second round of the bout.

Despite this, he insisted that he was the winner.

"Manny came on strong in spurts, but he missed a lot of shots. My corner felt like I was winning the fight," Bradley said during the post-fight presser.

"I'm in really good shape. I didn't go down. I got hurt once in there, but I survived," he added.

"I was controlling the action. The jab pretty much controlled the jab from the seventh round."


Bradley was so confident in the weeks leading up to the bout that he printed promotional materials for a rematch, scheduled for November 10 in Las Vegas.

After the bout, he confirmed that he will be willing to fight Pacquiao a second time.

"Absolutely, I gotta give Manny a rematch. I definitely have to give him a shot to let him earn his title back from me," Bradley said.

"This is boxing, and we gotta do it again," he added.

Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, was extremely upset with the decision, however.

"I have never been so ashamed to be associated with the sport of boxing as I am tonight," Arum said in the post-fight press conference.

Arum said he had Pacquiao winning the bout 10 rounds to two, and slammed the judges for their decision.

"I have the best eye doctor in the world. If they get on a plane to LA (Los Angeles), I would pay for their visit," he replied when asked about his message to the judges.

Pacquiao's Hall-of-Fame trainer, Roach, said it was his boxer's finest performance since his 12-round technical knockout victory against Miguel Cotto in 2009.

"I thought we clearly, clearly won the fight. I think the judges had their eyes closed," Roach said, adding that he did not see many close rounds.

Pacquiao said that he wants a rematch against Bradley, and Arum agreed.

"If you want it, Manny, then that's what we'll do," the Top Rank boss said during the press conference.

Pacquiao's loss to Bradley now puts his mega-fight against another unbeaten American, Floyd Mayweather Jr., at risk.

Boxing fans have been clamoring for a Pacquiao-Mayweather clash for years, especially after the two fighters ascended to the top of boxing's pound-for-pound list.

With Pacquiao's loss, however, and a looming rematch with Bradley, it is unsure if the much awaited mega-fight against Mayweather will ever happen.

Mayweather is currently incarcerated in the Clark County Detention Center, where he is serving an 87-day jail sentence for a guilty plea to a 2010 domestic violence charge.

06-10-2012, 08:48 PM
Sige, di conditioned si Pacquiao compared to his previous fights and sige di na sya naging aggresive nung latter round. Pero his performance should have at least awarded him a win for this fight. Last round syndrome ika nga for the judges. But still he deserve to win this fight, he was simply robbed.

Maybe he needed a lost like this, I'm excited to see what happens in the rematch later this year.

Dark Knight
06-11-2012, 08:44 AM
Very typical Filipinos. Pag natalo, DINAYA, cant we just accept losses?

If this is the case, can you just imagine how Juan Manuel Marquez and Mexicans feel when he lost in a decision against Money Pakyaw in one of their matches? Mexicans will call it also a robbery. Rigged. Or whatever.

Pakyaw lost so moved on. Thats the problem of being money greedy. Had he retired early he would not have tasted another loss, but no, it's for the country for Christ sakes.

Hahaha, Money Pakyaw, you lost, live with it. My wish granted. No nationalism here. Hehe.

Sa Pilipinas, walang natatalo. Nadadaya lang.

06-11-2012, 10:43 AM
pacquiao-marquez 3 was different. it was a close fight that could have gone either way. a lot of people disagreed with the decision but everyone agreed that only 1 round separated the fighters. 115-113 marquez or 115-113 pacquiao would have been a fair, intelligent decision.

i think pacquiao-bradley should have been a wide decision win for pac. hindi ko sinabing dinaya, i'm just saying that in my opinion pacquiao should have won comfortably. i had him winning round 1 and rounds 3-9 clearly. rounds 11 and 12 could have gone either way so let's say we give that to bradley and it's still 116-112 pacquiao.

did pacquiao say he was cheated? did he say he was robbed? no, he said he thought he won. he also said " I accept the decision" and in probably the classiest statement one could muster in such a situation, also said, "Whatever happens, don't be discouraged about boxing," he said with a smile. "Next time."

Mabuhay ka manny. Iba ka talaga.

06-12-2012, 06:51 PM
Very typical Filipinos. Pag natalo, DINAYA, cant we just accept losses?

If this is the case, can you just imagine how Juan Manuel Marquez and Mexicans feel when he lost in a decision against Money Pakyaw in one of their matches? Mexicans will call it also a robbery. Rigged. Or whatever.

Pakyaw lost so moved on. Thats the problem of being money greedy. Had he retired early he would not have tasted another loss, but no, it's for the country for Christ sakes.

Hahaha, Money Pakyaw, you lost, live with it. My wish granted. No nationalism here. Hehe.

Sa Pilipinas, walang natatalo. Nadadaya lang.

can't help but feel that you have a sense of personal disdain towards Pacquiao sir. He clearly won this fight and it's not that we can't move on, it's more like it concerns me that a great sport such as boxing has come to this. I'm not trying to condemn you for hating Pacman sir, that's your sentiments. But I disagree with you when you say that Filipinos don't accept defeat because that's exactly what Pacquiao did after he lost. He smiled and said babawi na lang sya.

06-13-2012, 08:26 PM
"I WON, BUT I DIDN'T BEAT HIM!!!" - a ranting Apollo Creed in Rocky II

You didn't beat Manny either, Brad.

06-14-2012, 01:15 AM
pinoys have surprisingly been classy about the whole thing. it's the non-pinoys who've been noisy like roach, ariza and arum although i think it's the bobfather who's behind this. there's senator who's supporting a probe into the issue. i'm sure you've read how celebs and athletes like shaq, linsanity, danny granger, miley cyrus, chad dawson, katy perry, lady gaga and so many others tweeted their displeasure. even those generally regarded as anti-pacquiao like dela hoya, shaefer, JMM, floyd jr and floyd sr and teddy atlas said pac was robbed.

si manny nga ang pinaka tahimik.

don't sign up for the rematch, manny. leave top rank. be your own promoter. make your own decisions. stop having people take advantage of you.

06-14-2012, 04:33 AM
^agreed with that one! Go the Dela Hoya route and make your own promotion. Manny's name is now bigger than Arum anyway IMO. He can get all the pinoy boxers under his stable, hell even the Latinos too! I'm not for a rematch myself, I won't freaking order another PPV under the ROB Arum brand!

06-23-2012, 03:04 PM
WBO panel: Pacquiao defeated Bradley
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WBO president Francisco Valcarcel has informed RingTV.com that his panel of five international judges all scored Manny Pacquiao as the winner in his June 9 (June 10, PHL time) bout against Timothy Bradley, the boxing site reported Wednesday (Thursday, PHL time).

Pacquiao won by scores of 117-111, 117-111, 118-110, 116-112, and 115-113.

"That's a Solomon-like conclusion," said Top Rank CEO Bob Arum, who handles both Pacquiao and Bradley. "Paco [Valcarcel] is a good man, he really is. I have great respect for him and what he says.

"It's appropriate for him to make that final conclusion."

During the fight proper, Bradley won via a controversial split decision, 115-113, 115-113, 113-115. Numerous boxing pundits however, and the viewing public, had Pacquiao winning, sometimes by large margins.

However, the WBO has no power to change the fight's outcome, or to force Bradley into surrendering the title. "The only thing that we can do is authorize a rematch," Valcarcel said Tuesday (Wednesday, PHL time). "We cannot go any further than that. That is in our rules.

"Cameron Dunkin [Bradley's manager] and Top Rank, they have all received the information," added Valcarcel. "Since they all work with the same promoter [Top Rank], they are working on that and we will leave that to them."

Arum has in the past stated that he felt that a rematch between Pacquiao and Bradley would not be profitable, and has been contemplating instead a fourth bout between the Filipino ring icon and Juan Manuel Marquez. Still, with this announcement, Arum is leaving it all up to his moneyman to make the decision.

"My first stop on any quest to determine what to do next is that I have to talk to the guy who is the money generator, and that's Manny Pacquiao," Arum said.

"And I have to then determine after discussions with him what he wants to do next and we'll go from there. Until Manny makes a determination, then I'm like a dog chasing its tail."

The controversial fight resulted in the two United States senators calling for the formation of a national boxing commission. The Nevada State Athletic Commission also plans on reviewing the fight footage with the three judges who gave Bradley the split-decision win. - AMD, GMA News

06-24-2012, 11:52 AM
Bradley: Pacquiao losing it (http://www.philstar.com/sportsarticle.aspx?articleid=820127&publicationsubcategoryid=69)
By Abac Cordero (The Philippine Star) Updated June 23, 2012

MANILA, Philippines - It seems that Timothy Bradley has no plans of giving the belt back to Manny Pacquiao, saying he wants a rematch and that it should happen as he had planned, as he had scheduled.

Bradley was also quoted by www.boxingscene.com as saying that if the rematch takes place on Nov. 10, it would be “easier” for him to beat the 33-year-old Pacquiao.

Bradley, who moved up to 29-0 with his controversial split decision over Pacquiao last June 9 at the MGM Grand, said he noticed something in Pacquiao.

“He’s declining, honestly, he’s declining,” he said.

Plain and simple, Bradley thinks that Pacquiao is no longer the old Pacquiao who threw punches from all angles, with blazing speed and great power.

And that Pacquiao is no longer the same boxer who always go for the kill like he did against David Diaz, Oscar dela Hoya and Ricky Hatton, or Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto.

“He had me hurt in the fourth round, he didn’t try to come out and finish me. The old Manny would’ve. I just think there’s a lot of wear and tear on him. His mind is in 50,000 different places,” Bradley said.

Pacquiao is deep into Bible studies, and they followed him everywhere he went, in the park as he trained, in the dining room, in his car and even inside his bedroom.

As he trained, Pacquiao also tried to memorize the Bible. Physically, he was preparing for a big fight, and yet mentally it was like he was vying for the Chess Olympiad.

He must be drained.

“He’s got his new-found religion and stuff like that, and I just feel like maybe he’s worn out, honestly. I have a busy schedule, but his schedule is like all day busy, like 24/7, he never stops moving,” Bradley noticed.

“Even when I saw him in the press conference I was like, ‘This guy looks tired.’ I saw his eyes, I saw the bags underneath his eyes. I was like this guy is tired. I don’t even think this guy wants to be here,” said the new WBO welterweight champion.

There’s been a lot of controversy surrounding the decision because many people thought Pacquiao won the fight. At the MGM, two judges scored it in favor of Bradley, and the other one for Pacquiao, They all had it 115-113.

The WBO reviewed the fight, and tapped five of its own judges to re-score the fight, individually. They all came up with the same verdict that Pacquiao should have won the fight. They scored it 117-111, 117-111, 118-110, 116-112, 115-113.

Pacquiao has decided to move on, saying he wouldn’t even accept the belt if Bradley decides to give it back to him. He said the WBO can declare the title vacant, and then a rematch takes place.

Pacquiao assured his fans he will “get the title back.”

And prove Bradley wrong.