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    Pacquiao - Marquez 4

    Vindication for Marquez, Pacquiao at a crossroads

    By Mark Lamport-Stokes, Reuters
    Posted at 12/09/2012 7:08 PM | Updated as of 12/09/2012 7:08 PM


    LAS VEGAS - Vindication was extra sweet for Juan Manuel Marquez on Saturday when his stunning knockout of Manny Pacquiao in the sixth round of their welterweight bout earned him his first victory over the Filipino in four meetings.

    The Mexican had been determined to set the record straight against the Filipino southpaw, having previously lost twice and drawn once. He believed he had been "robbed" by the judges in the previous fights.

    "I am very happy with this victory," a jubilant Marquez told reporters after flooring Pacquiao with a thunderous right just one second before the end of the sixth round at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

    "I feel so, so happy. I am very happy that I didn't retire last year. Now I feel great that I leave no doubt in the way that I got this victory over Manny."

    A fuming Marquez had contemplated retirement after losing a controversial majority decision to Pacquiao 13 months ago at the same venue, firmly believing he had once again been cheated of victory.

    The Mexican had said at the time: "It's hard when you're fighting your rival and the three judges too. I got robbed."

    However, Marquez refused to quit.


    Juan Manuel Marquez (L) of Mexico connects on Manny Pacquiao of the Philippines during their welterweight fight at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada December 8, 2012. Photo by Steve Marcus, Reuters
    He returned to the ring in April and beat Ukrainian Sergey Fedchenko on a unanimous decision to win the WBO light welterweight title before setting his sights on a triumphant fourth meeting with Pacquiao.

    Greatest victories

    "This is the result of all the hard work that I did," the Mexican smiled after improving his record to 55-6-1 with 40 knockouts. "I put this fight as one of my greatest victories absolutely.

    "Right now in my future I don't know what is coming but I am going to celebrate with my family and my friends in Mexico."

    While the 39-year-old Marquez is in no rush to plan his next move as a boxer, Pacquiao's illustrious career stands at a crossroads following his second successive defeat this year.

    The 33-year-old Filipino, who has won world titles in an unprecedented eight weight divisions, was taken to a Las Vegas hospital as a precaution after twice being knocked down.

    Before leaving the arena, Pacquiao suggested he would be keen to take on Marquez for a fifth time but his trainer Freddie Roach was uncertain.

    "Possible retirement, possible re-match," the bespectacled Roach said. "I would love to get a re-match but is that the best move? I'm not sure which way we're going to go right now.

    "It really depends upon how he feels and what he wants to do. I'll definitely tell him to retire if he's not able to do it in the gym, but we have to see."

    Asked to assess what had happened to Pacquiao, who had been leading 47-46 on all three judges' cards when the stoppage came, Roach replied: "I thought Manny was having a good fight.

    "He ran into a good one. I thought we almost had him. Manny got a little careless and then he ran into that punch. He fought a very smart opponent. It sucks. I hate to lose."
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    the forum seems so quiet. not like before when jubilation and the mocking of Money Pakyaw's opponent is rampant whenever Manny wins a match. Waiting for reality to settle in probably.

    Ok, its no secret that im one of the few who openly admits my disdain for Pacquiao. And after years of frustration, i finally became victorious with Manny's ungraceful loss. At wag sanang may magsabing hindi ako makabayan. Puhleez......thats one of the reason why Manny probably lost. That "laban para sa bayan thing". Everybody knows Manny is fighting for money. It just happens that he is a Filipino. But really, patriotism has nothing to do with it. Its like the Azkals are playing for the Philippines but most of them doesnt sing the National Anthem.

    Lucky Punch? Probably. But it would be unfair to Marquez who trained for more than 4 months with nothing in his mind but to prove that he can defeat the guy who is anti RH Bill. Marquez is motivated by redemption while Manny is probably motivated to being an actor and politician than being a boxer now.

    Lets reverse the situation. If Manny did that punch to Marquez, would the Filipino people call it a lucky punch? No. They will shout to the world and probably the universe how good Manny is at boxing. Walang tsamba. And yet Marquez won via tsamba. Another typical Filipino mentality.

    Had Pakyaw not been blinded by Arums multi million dollar contract offer, he would have retired undefeated. But no, he is after all, fighting for the FILIPINO people. He doesnt care how much he will get as long as its million dollars.

    Bradley vindicated? Mayweather probably is laughing right now. So much for this Makabayan thing or Manny is carrying the Filipinos on his shoulder. Say what? Get real Manny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post

    Had Pakyaw not been blinded by Arums multi million dollar contract offer, he would have retired undefeated.
    Get your facts straight dude. Manny already lost twice before signing up with top rank.


    While I have to give credit to JMM's punch (probably k.o. of the year), one can't help but put some doubt to JMM's unbelievable physique (at age 39). No thanks of course to the very popular Memo Heredia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post
    Ok, its no secret that im one of the few who openly admits my disdain for Pacquiao. And after years of frustration, i finally became victorious with Manny's ungraceful loss. At wag sanang may magsabing hindi ako makabayan. Puhleez......thats one of the reason why Manny probably lost. That "laban para sa bayan thing". Everybody knows Manny is fighting for money. It just happens that he is a Filipino. But really, patriotism has nothing to do with it. Its like the Azkals are playing for the Philippines but most of them doesnt sing the National Anthem.
    I dont understand where the bubble comes from. Try to name a popular athlete who has done more to his country outside of the sports that person excels and has a demeanor uncanny of a global sports icon than Manny Pacquiao. Tiger Woods? MJ? Ali? Mayweather?

    The nearest I could see is Hakeem but Pac has done more. You are just trying to justify a biased conclusion that you want to hear rather than seeing what is happening before you conclude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post
    Lucky Punch? Probably. But it would be unfair to Marquez who trained for more than 4 months with nothing in his mind but to prove that he can defeat the guy who is anti RH Bill. Marquez is motivated by redemption while Manny is probably motivated to being an actor and politician than being a boxer now.
    Who told you Marquez has no chance in this fight? It wasnt a lucky punch. It was a pure power blow from a counter puncher.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post


    Lets reverse the situation. If Manny did that punch to Marquez, would the Filipino people call it a lucky punch? No. They will shout to the world and probably the universe how good Manny is at boxing. Walang tsamba. And yet Marquez won via tsamba. Another typical Filipino mentality.
    Nope. If Manny won, Marquez had my respect for fighter and maybe Pac is just too much for him. You are just arguing against yourself via reverse psychology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post

    Had Pakyaw not been blinded by Arums multi million dollar contract offer, he would have retired undefeated. But no, he is after all, fighting for the FILIPINO people. He doesnt care how much he will get as long as its million dollars.
    That is what you want to hear from the beginning and make arguments based on that. Money money money.

    Get real. Pac can earn more by fighting an inferior opponent and have a higher share in pay per view. There is no point to remain undefeated unless you are Mayweather.

    So what do you want to say? Manny lost and that proves he is not fighting for his country and his people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post
    Bradley vindicated? Mayweather probably is laughing right now. So much for this Makabayan thing or Manny is carrying the Filipinos on his shoulder. Say what? Get real Manny.
    Again, so Manny lost and that proves he is not makabayan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post
    the forum seems so quiet. not like before when jubilation and the mocking of Money Pakyaw's opponent is rampant whenever Manny wins a match. Waiting for reality to settle in probably.

    Ok, its no secret that im one of the few who openly admits my disdain for Pacquiao. And after years of frustration, i finally became victorious with Manny's ungraceful loss...
    YOU became victorious? i didn't see you getting in the ring against manny. yes mayweather's probably laughing right now but he's still having trouble making up something witty to say. then again who cares what he has to say.

    another thing i can't reconcile is if you're an employee, you negotiate for the best salary. in business you negotiate for the best terms to give you the best profit. manny negotiates for fights that will give him the biggest payday for literally risking his life and that makes him unpatriotic? what's up with that.

    i've said it before, i have the greatest respect for ANY fighter who has the guts to climb up the ring and face another supremely conditioned athlete who's hell bent on beating you up. that takes courage.

    yesterday was one of my saddest days as a sports spectator and a Filipino. surely pac can fight some more, definitely even beat jmm in another match. yesterday he was surprisingly outboxing the master counterpuncher and seemed headed for a win. i would watch that a 5th fight. but there's no shame in stepping down now. pac's sporting achievements and the pride and glory he gave the country will never be matched.

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    I just want to give credit to where credit is due. Marquez deserves the win. He was more motivated as he thought that he was robbed 3 times. He also trained longer if we based it on the 24/7 series. Lastly, he really bulked up and gained strength for the fight. He was a man on a mission. He had the "eye of the tiger".

    I think if Manny just trained longer or harder, he would have probably had the conditioning in getting up from that punch. But I guess he was not as conditioned as before. Proboably, his mind is not into boxing anymore due to his other endeavors. Probably, he might have to choose among his endeavors. He can not have 2 masters as the saying goes.

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    I think manny trained the way he always did, all out for 2 months. The problem is his conditioning in between fights. As you get older it takes longer for you to get into game shape. In his younger days Pac could get away with it but now he has to stay in shape even during offseason. Kahit konting cardio at gym work lang para hindi start from zero when he starts training camp.


 
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