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  1. #11

    Re: Recruitment: the ills and the thrills

    ^ Magkano nga ba ng going rate ng mga blue chip recruits? Wala rin akong alam pero binigyan ako ng idea ni ironcoach (sa UE thread). Ang alam ko lang around P20k (sure ako) na tuition sa UP, DLSU baka P100k (or mali ako) per sem. No question pwede ibigay na yan sa mga players.

    Ang tanong ko lang ay sino dapat sisihin sa mga maling palakad sa recruitment? Ang mga pamantasan, mga alumni,mga manlalaro mismo dahil sa pagkagahaman nila o ang mga liga na walang regulasyon?

    Buwan ng wika pala, subukan ko magFilipino. ;D
    "The end justifies the means"-from Machiavelli? Nope.  :D

  2. #12

    Re: Recruitment: the ills and the thrills

    Dahil sa hype na ginagawa sa college ball nowadays, pag parating nanalo ang school ay sikat so that means mas maraming ingay and makaka attract ng potential students na mag enroll sa mga schools na to. This is one of the reasons din siguro why some schools are doing everything in terms of recruitment. Pulling out the possible resources that they can to get talented and blue chip recruits.
    OUR HORNS WILL STOP YOUR ROAR!

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  3. #13

    Re: Recruitment: the ills and the thrills

    Is there anything wrong if I will spend thousands to support my team?

    A lot of basketball fans enjoy the elitism yet are critical of how elitists spend their money.

    If there are no rules being violated, let them be.
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  4. #14

    Re: Recruitment: the ILLS

    Quote Originally Posted by razor
    How about Baste's and JRU's and some schools "you will flunk high school, if you won't stay and play for us in college" recruitment tactics vis-à-vis their high school jocks?
    Baste at JRU lang ba? Ano pa bang mga paaralan yan sa NCAA at UAAP ang nakikinabang sa ganyang taktika?

    Ano ba ang problema sa taktikang isugal ang pera para lang makuha ang isang manlalaro? Hindi ba't napakadaming manlalaro sa Pilipinas na wala sa radar ng mga paaralang may malalaking pondo?

    Sa bawat taon, ilan lang ba yang mga manlalarong hinahabol ng may madaming pera? Dalawa? Tatlo? E di kunin ang mga hindi hinahabol na magagaling din naman.

    Ano ba ang problema kung pumupuntang Amerika ang ilang paaralan para mag-ubos ng pera pero hindi naman mananalo sa habang buhay?

    Hayaan niyong mag-ubusan ng pera ang may pera habang ang iba ay maghanap ng "mura" pero de-kalidad na manlalaro mula sa apat na sulok ng Pilipinas.

    Subalit kung ang sa tingin niyo ay pera lang ang nagpapatakbo sa mga liga ngayon, e di kumalas at magtatag muli ng panibagong liga nang lubusan nang magkahati-hati ang bubwit palakasang pangkolehiyo sa Pinas. Baka dun iba naman ang labanan... at kung may rekalmo ulit, kumalas at magtayo muli ng sariling liga.

    Pera lang yan. Mauubus din yan.

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  5. #15

    Re: Recruitment: the ills and the thrills

    I looked up the law creating the Philippine Sports Commission, the government agency tasked supposedly with developing and overseeing sports in the country. RA 6847 I think its called. Siempre walang banggit dun about varsity athletics.

    Here are some things I've been thinking up:

    I. Definition of Terms

    a) Amateur athlete - Any person engaged in any or a number of sporting activity, game, tournament, league, competition with the primary purpose being to achieve victory in the same.

    b) Varsity athlete - Any amateur athlete currently enrolled at any curriculum or year level, in a school, university, college, technical and vocational and all other institutions offering educational and training services (herein referred to as 'school'), and who competes as a representative of the same.

    II. What a Varsity Athlete May Directly Receive

    a) Up to 100% free tuition and miscellaneous fees, including fees that may be charged for co-curricular and extracurricular activities such as but not limited to field trips, theater shows, museum visits and the like.

    b) School uniforms, school shoes, school materials and supplies that are actually required in subjects in which said varsity athlete is currently enrolled, inclusive of the uniforms, shoes, materials and supplies to be used in training and the actual sporting event of the athlete.

    c) Free use of dormitory facilities. In case the school does not have its own dormitory facilities, or the same are currently at full occupancy, free use of any housing unit not more than 50 meters from the campus where the varsity athlete is enrolled, and provided that rent / lease for said housing unit is not more than the average rent / lease of that locality.

    d) Free board. In case board cannot be provided, the varsity athlete may be given a subsistence allowance equivalent to no more than 50% of the legislated national daily minimum wage.

    e) Free transportation. In case transportation cannot be provided, the varsity athlete may be given a transportation allowance equivalent to no more than 20% of the legislated national daily minimum wage.

    f) Honorarium equivalent to no more than 200% of the legislated national daily minimum wage for public appearances per appearance such as interviews on TV, Radio and Online shows, print and other media.

    g) Honorarium equivalent to no more than 500% of the legislated national daily minimum wage and/or merchandise/goods equivalent to no more than 1000% of the legislated national daily minimum wage for commercial/product endorsements per endorsement transaction.

    III. Prohibitions

    a) Varsity athletes may not recieve any emoluments, remuneration, salary, wage, or any other consideration, in cash or in other forms, except for those enumerated in the preceding Article.

    b) Varsity athletes may not receive any other gift, incentive, award, reward, bonus or other material, except if the varsity athlete is also a national athlete and is given a reward or bonus as a national athlete as provided by Law.

    c) Coaches, managers, handlers, relatives, friends, legal guardians, teachers, school administration and staff, are not to transact for and on behalf of varsity athletes in order to receive any emoluments, remuneration, salary, wage, or any other consideration, in cash or in other forms, except for those enumerated in the preceding Article.

    d) Coaches, managers, handlers, relatives, friends, legal guardians, school administration and staff, are not to transact for and on behalf of varsity athletes in order to receive any other gift, incentive, award, reward, bonus or other material.

    IV. Participation in Competition Other Than Varsity Competition

    a) Varsity athletes may represent the country as national athletes in international competition, or as local government athletes in national competitions, subject to all of the same provisions in Article II and Article III above.

    b) Varsity athletes are not to participate in any competition with prizes, salaries, wages, other remuneration and emoluments of any kind.

    c) Should any varsity athlete be found in violation of any provisions herein, said athlete shall be barred immediately and permanently from any varsity competition, and shall be barred from the premises of any venue, stadium, coliseum and the like where any varsity competition is being held.

    V. Penal Provisions

    a) Natural and juridical persons may be found in violation of this Act.

    b) Those found in violation of this Act, whether jointly or severally, must pay a fine of at least P50,000 up to a maximum of P5,000,000 and incarceration of at least six years and one day up to a maximum of 12 years.

    c) Schools found in violation of this act shall be suspended from all varsity competition for at least one year up to a maximum of two years. Said years in suspension shall count against the eligibility of all varsity athletes of the offending school.

    All varsity competition refers not only to the tournament, league, competition to which the offending school belongs and participates, but all tournaments, leagues and competitions nationwide.

    Violations of this Act committed, jointly or severally, individually or in concert, by any official representatives, employees, faculty, staff of the school, in any capacity, are deemed as violations committed by the school.
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  6. #16

    Re: Recruitment: the ills and the thrills

    Whenever a kid is recruited-- laging maganda at matamis ang usapan. Nanunuyo ang booster ng paaralan o ang paaralan mismo at wala sa mga iyan ang magbibitaw ng di magandang salita. Pag nandyan na at recruitED na ang bata pero sa kung anong dahilan ay nagkaroon gusot, sa kadalasan walang laban ang bata kung gagawa ng isang arbitrary o unilateral act ang paaralan.

    The example cited by razor, panggigipit ang tawag dun. Pero may iba pang paraan ng panggigipit. Nariyan yung biglang tatanggalan ng scholarship ang bata at manakanakang sisingilin ng napakalaking halaga na dapat ay sagot ng scholarship bago ito tinanggal.

    Di naman sikreto ang mga kaso ng panggigipit sa mga batang gusto umalis pero ayaw naman bitawan ng paaralan.

    Ano ba pwedeng gawin ng liga patungkol dun?

    Simplé lang ang gusto kong mangyari, magkaroon ng malinaw na alituntunin na nagbibigay ng proteksyon sa kapakanan ng student-athletes.

    An official guideline from the league itself, declared publicly, that will protect student-athletes from arbitrary and unilateral acts of the school.

    1. Sa pag-iipit ng grades o ang bigyan ng bagsak ng marka ang student-athlete na gustong lumipat ng paaralan.

    A remedy to this is to REQUIRE EVERY MEMBER SCHOOL TO FURNISH THE LEAGUE COPY OF GRADES OF STUDENT-ATHLETES AT THE END OF EVERY MID-TERM AND FINALS OF EACH SEMESTER. (In the case of hs students, copy of report cards of every grading period.)

    This is for all sports for both Srs and Jrs competition. At the very least, hindi na basta pwedeng ibagsak ng paaralan ang bata kung ang i-sinumite nitong documento sa liga ay nagpapakitang pasado naman ang bata sa mga nagdaang semester/ periods. Kung may nagbigay ng maling information, patawan ng parusa na tulad ng suspension na ipinataw sa Adamson sa kaso ni Marlou Aquino.

    2. Sa biglaang paniningil ng kung ano-ano sa student-athletes na lilipat ng paaralan.

    A remedy to this is to REQUIRE EVERY MEMBER SCHOOL TO ISSUE A CLEARANCE TO EVERY STUDENT-ATHLETE AT THE END OF EACH SEMESTER.

    Sa pangkaraniwan, yung mga graduating lang at/o kung kailan na mismo lilipat ang isang estudyante na ang clearance ay kinakailangan. Alam ng lahat kung ano yang clearance na yan-- punta ka sa library (kung alam ng bata saan ang library nila ), punta sa accounting, punta sa kung saang department at magpapapirma. Dapat ang mga clearance na iyan ay mabigyan ng kopya ang liga. This can be in summary form-- ilista ang pangalan ng lahat ng student athletes at sa ibaba ay may isang talata na nagdedeklara na sa pagtatapos ng nasabing semester ay walang outstanding obligation ang mga bata sa paaralan.

    Some may argue that on certain grounds the above concerns are "internal issues" that it need not be elevated to the concerns of the league as a whole. Na ang academic standing ng bawat bata, na ang clearances ay sa pagitan lamang bata at paaralan.

    Sa puntong iyan, tanungin natin kung anong proteksyon meron ang mga bata sa mga arbitrary at unilateral actions ng isang paaralan.

    Base on history and precedence-- WALA. Each student-athlete is at the mercy of the sense of fairness of the school.

    PAANO KUNG WALA SA BOKABOLARIO NG PAARALAN ANG FAIRNESS? PAANO LUNG WALANG SENSE?

    The leagues has and will always protect itself-- on any issues and concerns.

    Anong protection ba ang ibinigay ng liga mismo para sa mga bata patungkol sa mga isyung binanggit ko sa itaas?

    We had a head start in this game. At one time we had a glorious 3rd place finish in the World Championship and was the undisputed power in Asia. But the world has learned how to play it. They may not be as good as us,but they have enough smarts to make use of their height. That is enough to beat us.

  7. #17

    Re: Recruitment: the ills and the thrills

    ^ I've always thought that there must be some law somewhere that prevents schools from forcing their players to stay with them.

    Here is an interesting legal question: Does a school, or agent of a school (scout, recruiter, teacher, coach, etc) have the right to be reimbursed for effort, time and most of all money, in the recruitment of a varsity athlete if that athlete decides not to play for the school after all, or decides to leave that school to transfer to and play for another school?

    Let us say a school coach goes to Cebu or Davao precisely to watch the various school tournaments there in the hopes of landing a good player, bring him back to Manila, and have that guy play for the coach's team. He finds just such a guy, a talented 6'2" swingman who can fly like Vergel Meneses, shoot like Allan Caidic and handle and pass like Hector Calma all rolled into one. Coach texts his Athletics Director to send money for one-way airfare and a little goodwill cash for the guy's mom and dad. When the kid gets to Manila he practices right away and is put on Coach's B Team. During a Fr Martin Game, after their side beats a big UAAP school and the kid scores 40 against one of the best defenses in Manila basketball, the school he beat offers him bigger allowance and a better scholarship, not to mention a chance at a much better quality of education. The kid accepts. He applies for an honorable dismissal on his own, without telling his coach. Coach is informed by the Registrar that the kid is bolting. Coach and the Athletics Director say if he wants to leave he has to pay for the airfare, have his folks return the goodwill cash, and pay back everything he got from the school, to the tune of say P250,000.

    Is there a law that says the school and the coach can do this to this kid?

    By playing varsity ball for that school hasn't the kid in effect already earned the scholarship given to him?

    As for the airfare, was that not contingent expense to bring the kid over and thus a sunk cost that should not be recovered from the object of the cost? Same with the goodwill cash given to mom and pop.
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  8. #18

    Re: Recruitment: the ills and the thrills

    ^^^ sa kakarampot kong kaalamanan tungkol sa batas, non-fulfillment ata ng obligasyon yan sa parte ng bata, pero dahil menor de edad kadalasan yang mga yan, guardian o magulang ang may pananagutan kung sakaling hindi matuloy ang "deal" ika nga sa pagitan ng paaralan at yung manlalaro.

    kung may abogado dito baka mas malinawagan niya ang nais kong sabihin. ;D

  9. #19

    Re: Recruitment: the ills and the thrills

    Quote Originally Posted by Joescoundrel
    ^ I've always thought that there must be some law somewhere that prevents schools from forcing their players to stay with them.

    Here is an interesting legal question: Does a school, or agent of a school (scout, recruiter, teacher, coach, etc) have the right to be reimbursed for effort, time and most of all money, in the recruitment of a varsity athlete if that athlete decides not to play for the school after all, or decides to leave that school to transfer to and play for another school?

    Let us say a school coach goes to Cebu or Davao precisely to watch the various school tournaments there in the hopes of landing a good player, bring him back to Manila, and have that guy play for the coach's team. He finds just such a guy, a talented 6'2" swingman who can fly like Vergel Meneses, shoot like Allan Caidic and handle and pass like Hector Calma all rolled into one. Coach texts his Athletics Director to send money for one-way airfare and a little goodwill cash for the guy's mom and dad. When the kid gets to Manila he practices right away and is put on Coach's B Team. During a Fr Martin Game, after their side beats a big UAAP school and the kid scores 40 against one of the best defenses in Manila basketball, the school he beat offers him bigger allowance and a better scholarship, not to mention a chance at a much better quality of education. The kid accepts. He applies for an honorable dismissal on his own, without telling his coach. Coach is informed by the Registrar that the kid is bolting. Coach and the Athletics Director say if he wants to leave he has to pay for the airfare, have his folks return the goodwill cash, and pay back everything he got from the school, to the tune of say P250,000.

    Is there a law that says the school and the coach can do this to this kid?

    By playing varsity ball for that school hasn't the kid in effect already earned the scholarship given to him?

    As for the airfare, was that not contingent expense to bring the kid over and thus a sunk cost that should not be recovered from the object of the cost? Same with the goodwill cash given to mom and pop.

    Gusto mo subukan natin dito sa Cebu mag-file? Meron naman test case niyan dito diba?

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    Re: Recruitment: the ills and the thrills

    Manong Joe, pa-propose lang ng addenda sa panukala mo:

    VI. Academic Requirements

    a) A varsity athlete is to maintain the required Grade Point Average (hereafter referred to "GPA") or Quality Point Index (hereafter referred to as "QPI"), for his or her year level.
    b) No special concessions of any form are to be given to varsity athletes. This includes, but is not limited to, the following:
    - Lower GPA/QPI limits than those required of students not participating in varsity athletics;
    - Specialized academic programs that are created for the sole purpose of accommodating varsity athletes; and
    - Excessive assistance given by professors, boosters, and the like, with the exception of preferential access to library/study hall facilities.
    c) All varsity athletics programs are to submit a semestral report (or, in the case of institutions running on the trimestral system, a trimestral report) on the academic achievements of their student-athletes.
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