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  1. #11

    Re: Crispa vs Toyota

    for some good stuff on the Tamaraws (not only the Tamaraws but also 70's RP basketball in general) check out the Toyota Tamaraw page on FB...lots of pictures/news stories/lineups etc.

  2. #12

    Re: Crispa vs Toyota

    June 1, 1982

    Crispa beats Toyota, 111-105, behind the 35 points, eight rebounds, 11 assists and eight steals of import Glenn Hagan. Read More.

  3. #13

    Re: Crispa vs Toyota

    October 12, 1982

    Toyota beats Crispa, 129-119, behind the 10 points of Arnie Tuadles in the overtime period. Read More.

    - since it is All Saints Day, we remember Arnie Tuadles, Lew Brown, Coach Ed Ocampo and Boss Danny Floro.

  4. #14

    Re: Crispa vs Toyota

    3 Toyota-Crispa games were now able to be shown on Pinoy Extreme channel, too bad hasnt seen any of them yet. In the 1982 season, the elimination round format in the Reinforced and Open Conference had Crispa and Toyota playing 3 times during the eliminations.

  5. #15
    Toyota wins by 1
    March 8, 1982

    Rookie Terry Saldana scored 4 of his 17 points in the last two minutes to power Toyota past arch rival Crispa, 111-110, before 30,000 fans in the PBA Reinforced All-Filipino Conference' opening night at the Araneta Coliseum.
    Saldana, a national youth player from multi-titled APCOR, scooped a loose ball from an undergoal shot, 109-104, and bailed the Super Corollas out of crisis in the last 30 seconds with a follow-up conversion, 111-107.
    Toyota feasted on a sputtering Crispa defense in the second quarter to open up its first 18-point lead, 56-38, behind the penetrations of import Arnold Dugger, who finished with a game-high 33 points and Fernandez, who tallied 27, Crispa import Glen Hagan routed the Super Corollas on one-on-one situations to score 24 of his 27 points in the last two quarters and rally the Redmanizers from behind an 18-point deficit.
    Earlier, Mariwasa-Honda survived three offensive bids by U/tex in the final minute to edge the Wranglers, 97-95, for the tourney's first upset.

  6. #16
    Black’s TNT as great as ’83 Crispa

    By Musong R. Castillo

    Philippine Daily Inquirer

    1:38 am | Friday, January 18th, 2013

    TALK ‘N Text will go down in PBA folklore as one of the best teams ever; a squad painstakingly assembled several years back with nothing but greatness in mind.

    By ruling the Philippine Cup for the third straight season with a 4-0 sweep of Rain or Shine Wednesday night, the Tropang Texters carved their names permanently in the annals of Asia’s first play-for-pay league.

    They achieved what only one team was able to do before, a feat which only Crispa owned for so long that very few people thought it would ever be duplicated.

    So now comes the question: Had these teams been on the same era, which would have been better?

    Talk ‘N Text lost just four of 24 games this time, two of them coming in the eliminations and two against Alaska in the Final Four.

    In Crispa’s all-Filipino run in 1983, the Redmanizers, according to coach Tommy Manotoc’s recollection, lost just the first game and “I don’t remember losing again for the rest of the tournament.”

    The Redmanizers ripped Gilbey’s Gin apart, also scoring a sweep, but at that time, in a best-of-five series.

    “It would have been a toss-up,” Talk ‘N Text coach Norman Black said. “That team had a superstar in every position. It was actually ridiculous. I played against that team several times and I know how good all of them were.

    “If at all, the only advantage we have is that we could be the more athletic team because of Kelly Williams,” Black added. “All things being equal, I think it would be a great game or series. But I really cannot say who will win because that (Crispa) team was great.”

    Black, like Manotoc, also owns a Grand Slam, pulling it off while with San Miguel in 1989, while Manotoc had his in Crispa’s swan song season of 1983, when Billy Ray Bates played as an import in two of the three conferences.

    “I think we were as deep as Talk ‘N Text is today,” Manotoc told the Inquirer yesterday. “The only difference I can see if you compare them (Texters) with Crispa in 1983 is that they have Fil-Ams now.”

    “And in that regard, with Kelly Williams and Ali Peek there, they have more horsepower than we did in 1983,” Manotoc continued. “But looking at their lineup, and remembering my team, we’re practically the same in the sense that we can both win games using our second units.”

    “We are basically the same as far as depth goes because both of those teams can go 10-deep on any given night,” Black said. “In those days, you didn’t know who would star for Crispa in a particular game, like in my team now, I’m the coach, yet I don’t know who is going to be the star of any game.”

    It would have been enjoyable to find out whether Ryan Reyes and Jared Dillinger could shut down scorers like Atoy Co and William “Bogs” Adornado; or whether Jason Castro is quicker than Bernie Fabiosa; and how a smooth center like Abet Guidaben could operate in a very physical atmosphere against the likes of Peek, Williams and Ranidel de Ocampo.

    And Black admits that Crispa in 1983 could have been younger, because that time, the likes of Yoyoy Villamin, Mon Cruz, Padim Israel, etc., were recruited and were on the way to stardom themselves.

    “Another thing that is very different is that the players are more conditioned in these days,” Manotoc said. “The players today are obviously stronger. But I think, if it (Crispa-Talk ‘N Text) is a best-of-seven series, even with the physical conditioning that we had before, we can hold our own.”

    Black echoes that fact, acknowledging that teams these days have physical therapists and nutritionists that take care of the players. And in those days, Manotoc and Black were one in saying that players didn’t do physical conditioning that much.

    It’s really impossible to know how both Crispa and Talk ‘N Text would fare against each other. It won’t happen.

    And while everyone is harping about the ‘three-peat’ of the Redmanizers that the Texters had matched, it seems that this fact has escaped everyone’s mind up to now: Talk ‘N Text is now in a position to win four straight, and if it does so next season, then all bets are off.

  7. #17
    The night Toyota ran over Crispa
    June 1978

    Tuesday night at the packed Araneta Coliseum, a fired-up Toyota team, playing as if there's no more tomorrow, unloaded its big bombs against a badly outclassed Crispa outfit, 158-135, to round out its qualifying round playdates with a 12-2 won-loss record.
    It was the same record posted by the Crispa Redmanizers for the same stretch - Crispa's first loss coming off an opening day setback to the U/tex Wranglers, and its second, the drubbing that was almost cold-bloodedly administered Tuesday by Toyota. As for the Tamaraws, their two losses came at the hands of the Redmanizers in the first round and to the Tanduay Esquires Friday last week in an out-of-town match in Davao.
    With the crowd on hand estimated at 25,000 at the Big Dome, the Tamaraws pulled away by 17 points late in the first quarter and never gave the Redmanizers a chance to breathe, the first period ended with Toyota's lead down to 11 points on two quick hits by Philip Cezar and Tito Varela, Sonny Jaworski and Danny Florencio opened the second quarter with two completed fastbreak plays, Francis Arnaiz, back in the groove as Toyota's best clutch-hitter, teamed up with Estoy Estrada and Jaworski, to touch off an 11-4 Toyota blast that closed out the first half at 78-57.
    In the third quarter, the Tamaraws relentlessly banged in 45 points against Crispa's 26 to bust the match wide open going into the final period, early in the fourth quarter, the game was threatened by a melee and with 8:33 left, the Redmanizers hace attempted a last gasp turnaround by bringing Toyota's lead to 21 points.
    As in so many Toyota-Crispa encounters, Tuesday night's fever pitch confrontation was not without its share of tense moments, Crispa's Abet Guidaben, the 6-5 center suffered a busted jaw when he got hit by Fernandez as he was driving in for a lay-up. Toyota's Fort Acuna was thrown out of the ballgame when he touched off a melee after 1:25 in the final quarter.
    By dealing the defending All-Filipino champions the worst beating ever administered to Crispa this season, Toyota fully settled a two-month old score with the Redmanizers.

  8. #18
    When Comets soared and Crispa faded
    1976 2nd Conference
    September 7, 1976 (Most likely date based on calendar which is tuesday, taken from Sept. 17-24 issue)

    Tuesday night, the smoke-filled Araneta Coliseum had all the trappings of a PBA championship affair, courtesy of the pro league's arch rivals, the Toyota Comets and the Crispa Denims.
    But despite the fact that it was more for the placings enroute to the all-important jockeying for the round of four, it was one hell of a fight that the two predestined crown contenders dished out.
    Less than an hour before the preliminary setto between the Bird-led Tru Orange and the Hirten-assisted Tanduay Distillers, which the Distillers won, 108-106, the poorly airconditioned Coliseum was already bursting at the seams, save for a few seats at ringside. And outside, there was a big turnaway crowd that could not just be accommodated.
    The three children of the first family, Irene, Imee and Bongbong Marcos were there, properly escorted of course by no less than GAB chairman Louie Tabuena. And their security men added to the crowd, and the avalanche of media who trooped to the Coliseum like it were the PBA finale.
    Baby Dalupan started with Bogs Adornado, Abet Guidaben, Rey Franco, Cris Calilan and import Bill Bunton. Toyota's Dante Silverio fielded in Sonny Jaworski, Mon Fernandez, Fort Acuna, his prized import Snake Jones and surprisingly, the ancient Jake Rojas.

    ***Fast forward to the fourth period***

    After Acuna jumped with a looper from the right side, Co, Hubalde, Mann and Dionisio scored successively for 86-80 in the Denimmakers' favor. Fernandez scored on a Jaworski assist but Cezar hooked in the return play off Mon and after Sonny Jaworski drove in on a lefthanded lay-up, Adornado jumped from the deep side, near the Crispa bench upping his team's lead by 8, 90-82.
    With time down to 6:03, Cezar fouled Fernandez but the wiry Toyota slotman failed to cash in on the opportunity. Then Jaworski drove, got a foul and converted both throws. He followed this up with a stab from under, again using his left.
    But after a steal off Adornado, Jaworski drove but lost the ball to the baseline. Cezar jumped with 3:18 to go for 92-88 in Crispa's favor. But Jones stabbed on the return play and after a Crispa fumble, Acuna lobbed in a jump tying the score at 92-all and getting the crowd into a wild feet-stomping, hand-clipping frenzy, time down to 2:12.
    The hulking Snake Jones converted a jumpshot using the backglass, simultaneously with the Coliseum barker announcingthe last two minutes, to give Toyota the lead. New Crispa convert Joy Dionisio drove off Jones, intentionally fishing for a foul, the former Fiberglass maker converted only one of his two gift shots, with the clock showing 1:38 to go.
    Sonny Jaworski pumped in a wrist-pushed jump from the side, near the Toyota bench, putting the Comets ahead by three at 96-93. With time down to 56 seconds. Fabiosa crossed the centerline heading towards the Crispa goal on a fast dribble, he rifled a pass on Cyrus Mann, but Fabiosa's pass sailed into Acuna who threw a fastball at Jones for an easy lay-up.
    Fabiosa redeemed himself on the return play with a jumper and after a Toyota miss, the Denimmakers had a chance to close in but Cezar missed on a hurried shot. Jaworski took the rebound and gave it to Arnaiz who was fouled by Fabiosa and the Comets dribbled the last remaining seconds to victory.
    It was a clean though rugged fight which the full-house crowd of 32,000, the biggest ever in the second conference lapped up with gusto. The only sore thumb that stuck out was the spotty officiating of referees Obias and Bernos who were outstanding in their inconsistent calls. At one time, Obias slapped a penalty only when one of the players virtually shouted at him to make a call.

    The official final score was not given in the article, best guess is still 98-95 win for Toyota.
    Last edited by Emon74; 10-12-2016 at 02:48 PM.

  9. #19
    Toyota-Crispa: 129-128
    The Crispanatics were not convinced
    Game was played on May 1, 1982

    Going into this game, both teams were smarting for a win, Toyota had just come from back-to-back losses to Yco-Tanduay and U/tex and needed this one badly. Crispa, too, was still hurting from its second loss to San Miguel and haven't quite forgotten their opening day one-point loss to Toyota.
    Coach Baby Dalupan started with an All-Filipino five, for reasons all his own, held on to Glenn Hagan until there was but a minute left in the first quarter. Crispa shot a measly 35 percent from the field and ended the period down by six at 26-32.
    Hagan, working against Arnaiz, shot the first basket in the second quarter. Toyota erected an 11-point spread as Ramon Fernandez became a problem for Crispa's frontliners. It was Bernie Fabiosa's hustle and playmaking that kept them together, giving the fans a lot to cheer about as the Redmanizers fought back. The game was tied for the first time at 49-all. Four more deadlocks kept the crowd on its feet. The loudest roar came when Crispa shot ahead by four, 61-57. Then while going for the final shot at the half, Hagan was blocked by Fernandez, Bay Cristobal got the loose ball just before the buzzer and was about to lay up when Fernandez caught him right smack in the face. No foul! And Dalupan was incensed. He stormed on courtand in no certain terms gave the referees his opinion about the state of their eyesight. Referee dela Cruz summoned enough courage to reestablish authority with a technical.
    The crowd was still worked up when the two teams came out from the dugouts, the referees were booed and Cristobal was applauded when he appeared looking alright. The game itself continued with more intensity. The third quarter ended with Toyota back in the lead at 94-91. Action escalated in the fourth, it became a period of heart-stopping deadlocks and lead changes punctuated with big plays and spectacular shots. Atoy Co broke a 98-98 all tie with a beauty from the three-point area, Abe King retaliated with a fantastic hook shot. A moment of comic relief came with six minutes left to play when Philip Cezar desperately hung on to Jaworski's jersey in a futile attempt to stop a fastbreak. But the laughter immediately died down as the resulting three-point play gave Toyota another five-point lead, 114-109.
    Crispa kept coming back, even grabbed the lead again at 117-116, only to lose it when Jaworski uncork his own three-point shot but Cezar fought back for Crispa. He gave them their last deadlock at 121-121. Then the double-teaming on Fernandez resulted in Terry Saldana getting open for a five-footer. This was followed by King intercepting and giving Toyota a four-point lead just as the "Last two minutes" was being announced.
    They were able to preserve this lead through two exchanges of baskets. Dalupan called his last timeout with 41 seconds left in the game and the scoreboard showing Toyota up, 129-125. Atoy Co put in the last word in the night's argument with a three-pointer that pulled Crispa back to within reach at 128-129. The Redmanizers had a chance to win the game but Bay Cristobal flubbed the last shot of the evening, allowing Toyota to escaped with another one-point squeaker. Naturally, the Crispanatics were not convinced, "Kung ipinasok lang yun ni Cristobal,,," "Kung hindi lang na technical si coach."

    Note: This game was the last one-point victory by either team. Their two previous games, the opening game of the 1982 season and their quarterfinals match in the previous conference last year, were also decided by one point with the scores on exact opposite, 111-110 for Crispa on October 15, 1981 and 111-110 for Toyota on March 7, 1982.
    Last edited by Emon74; 07-20-2018 at 08:07 PM.


 
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