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Nike Air
07-11-2011, 01:18 PM
Mukhang wala pang thread dito for the UAAP games ng Season 74 Green Archers.

Let's start reviewing on yesterday's game versus FEU.

Backcourt/Wing: Si Revilla lang ang may magandang laro from La Salle's backcourt yesterday. Napapagod na lang din kaya hindi na makapag-perform ng maayos but kung gugustuhin niya, tingin ko maglalaro siya for 40 minutes. Vosotros was not on his element. Poor-decision-making especially on the offensive end para sa kanya. He cannot get his shots going and wala ring initiative to drive and dish man lang or set-up mga kakampi niya. Masakit din sa mata panoorin si Atkins kahapon. Wala din sa utak maglaro. Threw a lot of shots with good looks pero hindi lang talaga lumalaglag. He even had a botched lay-up.

Okay sana laro ni Dela Paz kaya lang kulang pa sa aggressiveness to get the basketball and score baskets. Parang ang konti lang ng attempts niya kahapon. Nakatulong sana siya sa opensa had he gotten more scoring opportunities.

Hindi ko alam kung ano problem ni Marata yesterday kung bakit halos hindi siya pinalaro. Mukha siyang tumaba pero yung iba sinasabi na he just added muscle. Mukhang wala sa kundisyon yung bata and his scoring presence would have helped the team as well.

Tampus played a bit mature yesterday save for his crucial turnovers sa 2nd half. Hindi na niya pinupwersa mga tira niya and kung may makikita siyang pasa sa ilalim, he makes those passes. Si Andrada ang kanyang paboritong target before Andrada went down with a bad fall nung 2nd quarter.

Si Webb, ganun pa rin. Walang direksyon ang mga tira. Tentative sa mga galaw sa opensa. Tingin ko nga puede na siya ibangko with his performance yesterday. Takot mapalpal. Hindi man lang kumuha ng body contact sa kalaban to fish for a foul. Basta pag may sumabay sa kanya, ibabato na lang niya na parang ala-hoy.

Frontline: Magandang grado para kina Torres, Van Opstal, at Gotladera. Kahit na foul-trouble si Torres, bumawi siya sa depensa and gumawa din kahit papaano sa opensa sa kokonting oras na nakapaglaro siya sa loob ng court. Torres also had good looks from the perimeter kaya lang hindi lang din talaga maipasok. Si Van Opstal naman, nagpakita ng tapang sa loob ng court kahit alam mong may halo pang gigil sa kanyang parte. Gotladera also showed flashes of brilliance kahit alam mong gigl pa rin. Lumalaban kahit na beterano yung bumabantay at mas magulang na sa kanya maglaro.

Nawala si Mendoza kahapon. Hindi nagpakita ng kahit na ano sa paglalaro sa loob ng court. Si Papot, ganun pa rin. Malambot at nagpapatulak basta-basta sa kalaban. Parang tinatamad maglaro kahapon e. Parang mas gusto na matulog na lang sa bahay. Hindi nakapagtatakang wala siya halos playing time.

Hindi ko alam kung kabado ba ang mga players ng La Salle kahapon. Hindi ko din lubos maisip kung bakit kailangan pa nilang kabahan at yung iba sa kanila beterano na kung tutuusin. Sa opensa, parang kulang ang mga play na pinatatakbo ng coaching staff at yung mga bata ay parang nakakahon sa offensive plays na pinapagawa sa kanila. Dahil ba sa wala talagang go-to guy ang La Salle? O takot lang mapagalitan ng coaches pag hindi sila assigned na tumira kahit na broken play na ang set?

Hindi naging maganda ang opensa ng La Salle kahapon. Napakasakit sa mata panoorin na kahit lay-up ay nagawa nilang i-mintis. Mabagal din magpatakbo ng offensive sets kahapon. Ang tagal mag-isip kung ano gagawin sa bola, kung ibibigay ba sa poste o paiikutin sa perimeter.

Wala nang katapusan ang problema sa free throws ng Archers. Parang habit na nila ang mag-mintis ng free throws. Hindi ko rin alam kung kulang lang ba sila sa ensayo mag-free throw o talagang kabado lang din sila sa laro kaya puro mintis ang kanilang mga free throws.

May anim na araw na puede maghanda ang La Salle para sa Ateneo sa Sabado pero sa ngayon napakadami pang kakaining bigas ng La Salle kung gusto nilang may marating sila this season. Hindi ko rin alam kung saan at paano sila magsisimula pero madami pa namang panahon para mag-adjust. Mahaba pa ang liga pero dapat aksyunan ang dapat aksyunan.

izon
07-11-2011, 04:47 PM
Green Archers lost in their first game against the Tams.

Joescoundrel
07-12-2011, 10:40 AM
FEU ran a play they were already running in the Fil Oil and strangely Lasalle did not adjust to it: JR Cawaling got lots of good looks from outside and sank two treys that helped pad leads for the Tamaraws just when Lasalle was threatening. Those were essentially the same swing-reverse plays to corner and quarter-court shooters FEU ran for Paul Sanga all of last year. I think Coach Dindo Pumaren didn't really put hands in Cawaling's face because unlike Sanga Cawaling can drive when he sees a hard-show by the defense, i.e. dare him to beat you with his long shot than with a dribble-drive. Unfortunately Cawaling sank a good number of those shots. He also got those passes coming off the short pass-back on the dribble-penetration of RR Garcia or Terrence Romeo.

Also, the Lasalle bigs weren't making hay in spite of all the sun (figuratively speaking) on those offensive rebounds. Norbert Torres, Arnold Van Opstal and even veterans like Maui Villanueva and Jovet Mendoza just weren't converting on the second chance opportunities. Once again the Lasalle frontline is coming under scrutiny. After LA Revilla almost pulled out a win by himself, the onus is now on the bigs to show they can contribute consistently.

james_hunt
07-12-2011, 04:17 PM
Throwing in the entire roster save for Martin Reyes looked like a panic move on Dindo's part. Uaap na, experiment pa ang ginagawa? Not good man, not good!

archer987
07-17-2011, 01:40 PM
DLSU got beat up by ateneo yesterday. I hope that this is already the wake up call that the team and the organization responds to.
This UAAP season will be won by the team who will control the paint. Since almost every UAAP team has gotten stronger with their frontline.
With that said how will la salle fair against the frontline of other teams? Will AVO, Torres, Paredes, Andrada, Villanueva, Gotladera and Mendoza be enough to counter the likes of Slaughter, Ramos, Mbe etc.?

The answer - things are looking bad as of july 17, 2011.

AVO is the still the prospect that everyone thought he would be since he has a lot to work on especially in the low post. Fundamentals would be key. But no one can doubt the height and the wide frame that AVO possesses.

Torres needs to remember that GOD gave him the gift of height and frame. So why not use it in the low post where he can take advantage of it. I don't care if he can sink his three point shots in a pick up game but when he's playing against the defending champs I never want to see him attempt more than 3 shots from outside.

Paredes, Andrada, Villanueva and Mendoza will have to make the most out of their reduced playing time. These guys can play. What they lack in height, they make up for in speed and hustle.... But working on their free throws wouldn't hurt.

Gotladera is a rookie who does not get a lot of playing time but he has a lot of talent. He's ready to bang against anyone in the low post. He does not miss open lay ups or put-backs. Out of all the bigs, he's the most physical among them. He should have more playing time!

Do you guys know who la salle's big man coach is? Because la salle really hasn't developed any superstar big men. How about investing in a better big man coach? Well the current big man coach needs to develop the big men's ability in the low post concentrating on the fundamentals - dribbling for one.

The frontline needs work. But I'm glad to see Revilla taking leadership. As a vocal leader and as the scoring leader. Build around LA Revilla and Marata's smooth stroke from the outside and we'll be back to winning ways.

* la salle missed a ton of lay ups and put-backs in yesterday's game and that could be attributed to the loss.
* Ravena is not invincible. He just happens to have a great IQ and the skills of a veteran, but basketball is a team game. La salle has got what it takes to win the championship this season because they are a team - almost all of their players score in each game. That is a true indication of a team.

Sam Miguel
07-17-2011, 06:35 PM
There is a reason big men are supposed to play inside: shots are closer to the basket, rebounds are easier to get. With size, these things become even easier, or so the logic goes. Which brings us to the Lasalle bigs, especially the guy getting the minutes, Norbert Torres. When he took shots inside the paint, he had some success. When he jacked up treys he went 0-7 (by my count), and of course was a non-factor off the boards. Maui Villanueva was good for nearly 10 rebounds per game last year. His reward this year is reduced minutes. Jovet Mendoza had a 22-point game versus FEU in the Fil Oil quarters. His reward is the same as Villanueva's. Arnold Van Opstal was bascially already playing like this in high school. He had a year to get better. He got bigger and stronger, but better, well... let's just say even my Lasalista friends won't go there. Which leaves us with Yutien Andrada, who was injured and couldn't play versus Ateneo.

I hope all of this is taken up at the team meeting.

The_Big_Cat
07-18-2011, 11:48 AM
The pressure might be on Dindo to log in heavy minutes for AVO and Norbert because of the support of a number of DLSU boosters.

As per two games in the UAAP, AVO and Norbert are not as aggressive enough. Kung ako si Dindo ibigay niya ang playing time to Papot, Jovet and Maui. These 3 are willing to bang bodies not unlike the other two who shy away from contact.

maroonmartian
07-18-2011, 12:40 PM
As per two games in the UAAP, AVO and Norbert are not as aggressive enough. Kung ako si Dindo ibigay niya ang playing time to Papot, Jovet and Maui. These 3 are willing to bang bodies not unlike the other two who shy away from contact.


Sigurado ako marami na namang sisisihin ang big man coach ng La Salle (who is a NCAA commentator). Bigs ng La Salle non-factor in the last two games. Ang problema yun isa (Torres) feeling forward kaya tira ng tira sa labas. OK sana pero di naman pumapasok. I agree dapat palitan ang starting frontline. Ibangko na dalawang ito at paglaruin mga beterano.

If DLSU loses the next game, it would be really be a panic mode for Dindo Pumaren.

archer987
07-18-2011, 02:43 PM
As per two games in the UAAP, AVO and Norbert are not as aggressive enough. Kung ako si Dindo ibigay niya ang playing time to Papot, Jovet and Maui. These 3 are willing to bang bodies not unlike the other two who shy away from contact.


Sigurado ako marami na namang sisisihin ang big man coach ng La Salle (who is a NCAA commentator). Bigs ng La Salle non-factor in the last two games. Ang problema yun isa (Torres) feeling forward kaya tira ng tira sa labas. OK sana pero di naman pumapasok. I agree dapat palitan ang starting frontline. Ibangko na dalawang ito at paglaruin mga beterano.

If DLSU loses the next game, it would be really be a panic mode for Dindo Pumaren.


Maybe the veteran bigs should have most of the minutes since AVO and Torres so far have not played well. But then again... Papot, Jovet, Maui and Andrada have had their shot at that role in the past seasons and have proven ineffective. What more now that almost all of the teams have stacked up on bigs. I firmly believe that AVO and Torres will be the key to a title since they have the size and strength to match up against the likes of Slaughter and Mbe. It just so happens that la salle's system right now is not working - especially if you allow Torres to take 7 shots from the arc. La Salle's coaching staff must create more plays for Torres to get the ball down in the low post. I have seen too much pick and pops by LA and Torres, with Torres taking the three point shot. Why not roll to the basket? LA is a good enough passer to make that play happen. This play should be considered everytime la salle is playing in the halfcourt game, right now, it's all just shots from the outside.

* La salle has been getting a lot of offensive rebounds in the past two games but cannot convert for the second chance points. But I believe as the season progresses they woud get a lot of points off of these opportunities.

Nike Air
07-18-2011, 07:35 PM
Para sa akin lang naman, AVO played well in those two games. Problem lang, he was benched for a long time after playing good in the minimal time he was inside the court.

Norbert's shots I think are "play call" shots. He took open shots na nagmimintis lang sa pagkakataon na yun. Had those shots went in, magrereklamo ba kayo why Norbert took those shots? I will agree though that Norbert should mix it up pag alam niyang wala siyang pulso at the moment to take outside shots. Get some confidence muna sa loob then pag okay na, then dahan-dahan extend the range sa labas. Remember guys that Norbert is not a back-to-the-basket player and perimeter ang laro niya so we cannot change it drastically for him to focus only playing inside.

Ang hindi ko lang maintindihan is yung substitution patterns ni Dindo for the wingmen. Mainit laro ni Oda then all of a sudden ilalabas.

La Salle still played slow in their halfcourt sets. They should just get back playing simple basketball. Pag tao-tao, use spacing then pick and roll at the top or at the elbow will do things for you. Ball rotation na lang para hindi na mawindang ang mga players sa complex plays. When La Salle made that run last Saturday in the 3rd to 4th quarters, pick and roll lang si LA and Norbert sa elbow then bahala na umikot ang bola later on. When La Salle returned running their usual halfcourt plays involving staggered screens, ayun, nawala na naman diskarte ng mga bata and turnovers started killing them.

It is imperative as well na magpakita si Atkins and Vosotros. They really have to score and help in the offensive load. If not then tapos na ang season para sa La Salle. They can look forward to season 75.

Joescoundrel
07-19-2011, 08:59 AM
^ I think Torres really should pound it in more inside, at his height and mass, with those long arms, maybe only Slaughter and Ramos can still stop him down low. But those pick-pops with Revilla, I don't know, they seem out of his range that far away. If he were a 33-35% shooter from downtown those plays make sense. But ever since the second conference of the Fr Martin last year he was making maybe 20% of those trey attempts, and exposing the rebound, not exactly how you would want a big man to operate. He actually had two or three good layups against the FEU and Ateneo defenses, so I keep wondering why he thinks he needs to keep shooting from the outside to help his team.

archer987
07-19-2011, 10:40 AM
^ I think Torres really should pound it in more inside, at his height and mass, with those long arms, maybe only Slaughter and Ramos can still stop him down low. But those pick-pops with Revilla, I don't know, they seem out of his range that far away. If he were a 33-35% shooter from downtown those plays make sense. But ever since the second conference of the Fr Martin last year he was making maybe 20% of those trey attempts, and exposing the rebound, not exactly how you would want a big man to operate. He actually had two or three good layups against the FEU and Ateneo defenses, so I keep wondering why he thinks he needs to keep shooting from the outside to help his team.


I agree. Even if he is a face up kind of player, that doesn't mean he should take 7+ shots from outside. If the defense is giving him the open mid range shot then he should take it but absolutely no 3pt shots. It would just make him more timid in the offense. Bottomline is there should be more plays for him in the low post. If ever he can't find a good shot inside then he could kick it to the outside to LA or Marata for the possible 3pt shot. I know Dirk made a living from out there in the playoffs but come on...

Nike Air
07-19-2011, 01:54 PM
Basta sa akin, pag bukas at kaya itira then go ahead and throw that attempt.

Going into the game against UP on Saturday, the most dangerous player for UP is Jelo Montecastro. Malaking point guard. First option always is to go inside either to score or to break the defense down to give open looks to Mike Silungan or Jett Manuel.

UP relies on hustle points as well. Gutom ang mga players sa bola. Kundi lang sa mainit na kamay ni Bobby Ray Parks nung Linggo, malamang nakalusot sila dito. If La Salle wants to win, they should match the energy of UP. Kung lalambot-lambot sila ulit sa opensa't depensa, 0-3 na yan para sa mga taga-Taft Avenue. I think this is their worst start kung saka-sakali.

Mike Gamboa is playing also well as of late kaya pag naupo si Montecastro, may okay din na pamalit. Hindi katulad sa La Salle, pag-upo ni Revilla, wala nang matinong kapalit kaya pangit na rin laro on both ends of the floor. Isa pa itong magiging problema ng La Salle sa Sabado.

Frontline: Masipag sina Mbah, Gomez, Romero, and Gingerich. Hindi ko alam kung ano magiging frontline rotation ni Dindo pero sana bigyan niya ng pagkakataong makapaglaro sina Mendoza at Villanueva for rebounding purposes. Mukhang malabo si Papot dito dahil hindi mo alam kung anong klaseng Paredes ang magpapakita, yung matino ba? O yung malambot na Papot.

Crucial game para sa La Salle ang laro sa Sabado. Nasa leeg na ni Dindo ang pressure to win games. Pag natalo pa sila sa Sabado, hindi ko alam kung matatapos ni Dindo ang season na ito.

Joescoundrel
07-20-2011, 08:41 AM
Championship coaches I talk to keep telling me the same thing when it comes to jumpshots: there's always a rule and a limit, and it is always 2 + 1 or 3 + 1. This simply means anybody can and should take an open jumpshot, but depending on what rule you follow, if you miss two or three J's in a row, your next shot attempt should come on a strong drive to the basket. You simply cannot wait for any player to suddenly "catch fire" with his J, especially those like bigs whose more important task is to tend the boards. Without rebounding coverage your transition is exposed and your safety guys under pressure, especially against transition attack and early offense teams like Ateneo, FEU and NU. Your bigs need to provide rebounding coverage first in order to make sure every rebound is at least disputed. This prevents the early offense and allows some time for your own defense to set up if you miss a shot.

Nike Air
07-25-2011, 10:31 AM
Good win for La Salle last Saturday. Maganda rotation nila at hindi pinipilit ang playing time ng bata kung pangit ang laro.

Nakita na siguro ng coaching staff ang pakinabang ng league's leading rebounder last year in the mold of Maui Villanueva. They inserted him sa line up nung Sabado and it paid dividends as he provided energy on that La Salle frontline.

La Salle used some mismatches down low as Van Opstal was able to make his inside baskets. That paved way for the La Salle shooters to have wide-open looks and fuel their fastbreak plays. Medyo naging larong buko nga lang for some stretches of the game because both teams opted to run up-and-down for easy baskets with La Salle gaining the advantage on that larong buko affair.

The point guard seems to be a problem still as neither Vosotros or Sara can run the offense for the Green Archers. Good thing Atkins came back to form to contribute offensively. I wonder how the Green Archers will perform against a much better NU side on Thursday with an equally-balanced backcourt and frontline featuring Ray Parks and Emmanuel Mbe.

Joescoundrel
07-25-2011, 02:11 PM
Lasalle won the battle of the boards 63-33 against UP, which is a huge improvement over previous games. It looks like the big men are now starting to assert themselves more. It remains to be seen however if they can do the same against the stronger rebounders of NU.

NU is practically in a must-win situation if they want to keep their Final 4 hopes alive. With a 1-3 record and only 10 games left on their schedule, the Bulldogs cannot really afford another loss. Four losses means the best they can hope for is 10 wins, and having to win 8-of-9. At the rate Ateneo, Adamson and FEU are going it looks like they might all actually wind up with no worse than two losses each. Ateneo might even sweep the regular season. That means teams with more than two early losses, like NU, need to suck it up and get any kind of win streak going. This more than anything is what will motivate the Bulldogs in their remaining games.

Lasalle has been beaten twice in the offseason by NU, including the Fr Martin finals of about a year ago. On the bright side, they have shown they can limit Rey Parks on offense. They will need plenty more of that to beat NU.

Nike Air
07-25-2011, 11:28 PM
That finals loss in the FMC II was a bitter pill to swallow for some Taft die-hards. La Salle was already up by double digits and Manguera dogging-up Ray-Ray. Once Parks sat out due to foul trouble, NU stole the game from the Archers. The starters were so tired already that they cannot keep pace with the NU shooters. Most observers from that game were saying that La Salle should have rested the starters once La Salle erected that double-digit lead for the 2nd half push.

Joescoundrel
07-26-2011, 10:44 AM
^ I recall it was Cedric Labing-isa and Rodel Celda that hit the baskets that brought NU back and kept them in the lead in the Fr Martin finale. Norbert Torres had a good three quarters then couldn't hit a layup in the fourth period. LA Revilla had a great all-around game but had to chase Labing-isa around when Cedric got hot.

Parks and company turned the trick again in the last Fr Martin Open conference, as the Green Archers again yielded a big early lead, this time with Joseph Terso and Ajeet Singh hitting the key baskets for the Bulldogs.

Ironically, the Green Archers are able to defend Parks well, but seem to forget his other teammates.

Nike Air
07-27-2011, 11:40 AM
Man-marking rotation will be the key for the Archers on the defensive end tomorrow against the Bulldogs. If they will be slow, chances are, NU will take this game away from them.

easter
07-27-2011, 12:43 PM
NU will taste the DLSU press UAAP version for the very first time. Let's see if they can handle it.

james_hunt
07-27-2011, 02:54 PM
NU will taste the DLSU press UAAP version for the very first time. Let's see if they can handle it.


Mon Jose is an NU Assistant Coach. If there is anyone who can decipher any version of the La Salle press other than Norman Black...this is the guy.

Sam Miguel
07-28-2011, 07:58 AM
NU will taste the DLSU press UAAP version for the very first time. Let's see if they can handle it.


They had a tough time against it in the offseason tournaments. I doubt NU suddenly figured it out now, especially in the bright lights and loud crowds of the UAAP. NU's press break relies on lateral short passes and a lot of hard dribbling with heads down and people pushing into defenders. If these Bulldogs haven't figured out a forward-flash or double-slide press break for themselves they are going to be neck deep in it.

Mel
07-28-2011, 03:10 PM
For the second straight game, La Salle is going with the starting five of Revilla, Atkins, Marata, Villanueva, and Van Opstal today versus the Bulldogs.

Sam Miguel
07-29-2011, 08:20 AM
I am beginning to think that perhaps Coach Eric Altamirano may have made a huge mistake giving so much PT to Rey Parks in the offseason tournaments. It seems every defense in the UAAP now has the book on Parks, and Lasalle, after two Fr Martin Cup losses to these Bulldogs, simply shocked and awed NU yesterday afternoon. There was just no getting around it, Lasalle had NU's number yesterday.

From the third quarter to early in the fourth quarter Lasalle went 0-13 from the field, broken by an Oda Tampus layup. At the end of the third what was once a 23-point lead was down to nine, at one point as low as seven. NU moved the ball better, and simply moved better as a unit with Parks on the bench. Choy Ignacio, Rob Celiz and Glen Khobuntin all scored and defended very well without Parks.

LA Revilla however proved to one and all that he really is now the best true pointguard in the UAAP. No matter how anyone cuts it or wraps it, this kid has made a truly astounding comeback. He is easily the best player on the Lasalle roster now. Casualties of his rise include Almond Vosotros, who was benched immediately after a bad pass, and the barely-stirring Roldan Sara. Revilla is my bet for season MVP.

Nike Air
07-29-2011, 01:11 PM
La Salle was killed by NU's isolation at the top of the key plays in the 3rd quarter. Had La Salle adjusted early, NU would not have gotten that much close. Khobuntin was a better one-on-one isolation player for NU, along with Ignacio. They both played better than Parks in one-on-one situations. La Salle got fortunate that they shifted from a man-to-man to 2-3 zone defense on time in the 4th quarter to negate NU's isolation plays & from there it was a downhill for the Bulldogs.

archer987
07-31-2011, 09:54 PM
Another great performance from the archers winning their third game in a row. Yes, the wins were against the weaker teams of the league but I'm glad La Salle

made the most out of them. La Salle's system is finally working properly on both ends of the court although it is still hard to ignore some flaws that the team has.


Joshua Webb. This guy is way too intense. He wants to touch the ball every possession even if he doesn't need to. Whenever he does get the ball, you could

expect him making a bad shot, bad pass or a turnover. From what I have seen and heard, he lacks basketball IQ and EQ as well - letting his emotions get the

better of him. This is going to be a big issue as the season progresses since he is a currently a crucial part of the rotation, being the first option off the bench for

the 3 position. The problem is La Salle doesn't have another SF in the team right now who can take Webb's place....


* nice to finally see a slashing player who can break the defense in Oda Tampus.

Nike Air
08-02-2011, 11:46 AM
Thanks to NU last Sunday and they showed some chinks on the armor ng Adamson Falcons. Nakakapagtaka lang na for a team who loves to shoot from the outside, they shoot better pag tao-tao ang depensa ng kalaban, rather than if the opposing team plays zone defense, wherein the three-point basket is the best weapon against it (or in basketball linggo, zone buster). Naging maalat shooting ng Adamson when NU started playing zone against them.

It also showed kung ano kulang sa Adamson, they don't have a guy who will bang inside to get inside baskets. Colina and Camson are power forwards who will face up and then take the perimeter jumper or fall-aways. Kung pumapasok ang mga perimeter shots nila, lagot ang kalaban. Otherwise, lagot sila because wala silang alternate offense that they can go to.

maroonmartian
08-26-2011, 12:37 PM
^ That game vs UST is painful. And considering they would face their archrivals on Sunday? Would that inspire them even more knowing that they need a win badly to avoid bowing out of the Final 4. I am smelling a repeat of 2009. Here is the score of the game against UST:

From http://www.inboundpass.com/2011/08/25/ust-compounds-de-la-salles-woes/

The scores:

UST 60 – Teng 14, Camus 10, Afuang 10, Abdul 9, Fortuna 8, Ferrer 6, Lo 2, Ungria 1, Vigil 0, Tan 0, Sheriff 0, Pe 0

De La Salle 52 – Marata 11, Revilla 8, Vosotros 8, Van Opstal 6, Tampus 6, Torres 4, Atkins 3, de la Paz 2, Villanueva 2, Mendoza 2, Paredes 0, Webb 0

Quarter scoring: 15-13, 30-21, 44-38, 60-52

lekiboy
08-26-2011, 03:56 PM
if i were dindo, i would bench atkins,maui and webb...sobra na ang chances na ibinigay sa mga to...personally, i think they are the reasons why DLSU is losing...from FT to missed point blank shots...

maroonmartian
08-26-2011, 06:19 PM
if i were dindo, i would bench atkins,maui and webb...sobra na ang chances na ibinigay sa mga to...personally, i think they are the reasons why DLSU is losing...from FT to missed point blank shots...



NEW Malabes, Mangahas, at Barua trio ba ito? ;D Forgivable yung lowering three-point shots kasi they are adjusting to the new FIBA three-point line. But free-throws and point-blank range? Yan ang problema. Hmmm... I am watching that game vs Ateneo on Sunday. WOULD THEY SHAVE THEIR HEAD BALD? :)

jollibeeaddict
08-27-2011, 01:42 AM
Dindo IS the problem.

Bruticus
08-28-2011, 08:29 PM
The skid has now reached 4 straight games. DLSU has to win the last 3 games and hope for UST to go on a slump or else mas magiging mahaba ang bakasyon nila kaysa sa long weekend na ito.

lekiboy
08-28-2011, 11:37 PM
if i were dindo, i would bench atkins,maui and webb...sobra na ang chances na ibinigay sa mga to...personally, i think they are the reasons why DLSU is losing...from FT to missed point blank shots...



Dindo needs to bench these 3......really.

Sam Miguel
08-29-2011, 08:00 AM
Lasalle is now at seven losses, possibly their worst record since this century began; they haven't won a game yet in the second round. Even if they win their last three games, all against teams trying to consolidate their own Final 4 chances, that only leaves them at an even 7-7, in a possible three-way tie with NU and UST, which will mean playoffs galore. It may be time to admit this season is a wash and prepare for next season. The one question remaining is: Will Dindo Pumaren still be around next year?

Bruticus
08-29-2011, 11:44 AM
Shades of 2009.

Sam Miguel
08-29-2011, 01:36 PM
Dindo IS the problem.


Coach Dindo Pumaren might be A problem, but he is not the only problem. It may also be time to admit that this roster is not as good or as talented as advertised. Norbert Torres may be a rookie, but this is what, his third year with Lasalle? When he was taking on the likes of Joel Solis, Larry Rodriguez and Jervy Del Rosario when Franz Pumaren's Youth team played as a guest in the old PBL and doing well, I thought for sure the rest of the UAAP would be a goner when he's finally eligible to play. With the additional seasoning he got while undergoing residency I thought for sure by the time he plays his first UAAP game he'd be at least nearly at an All Star level. So far he's not shown much in the lane where guys his size belong, and has shown even less taking those ill-advised outside jumpers.

Oda Tampus is not a pointguard, so why is he getting minutes at the 1 spot when LA Revilla and Simon Atkins sit? He can handle and drive, but he isn't a pointguard, which explains all of those awkward looking drives that make it difficult for the forwards (Joseph Marata) and bigs (Arnold Van Opstal) to catch his passes whenever he runs into trouble (almost all the time especially against the top teams). Tampus is not the second coming of Joseph Yeo and he won't ever be that kind of player. He's a barely 5'10 off-guard who is easy enough to jam in transition and has no real jumpshot to fall back on. Almond Vosotros makes more sense as a backup pointguard with his handles and outside shooting, so why is he not getting more of the minutes that Tampus has gotten?

Apocrypha
08-29-2011, 03:52 PM
^ Tampus may be masking his deficiencies because of his ability to score, especially in transition. He's one of la salle's better finishers. However he isn't setting his teammates up well enough to be given a lot of minutes as a 1. Plus his defense is marginal. Against UST, he was in front of Fortuna when Fortuna got the ball and sprinted off for a solo fastbreak to increase UST's lead to 6.

maroonmartian
08-29-2011, 05:08 PM
Maisasalba pa ng DLSU ang season nila kasi kung titignan mo yung makakalaban nila as compared to UST, mas "madali". Pero they shouldn't be complacent because they might drop a game like what happened vs NU.

DLSU assignments- UP (they got their first one here), NU (second win but it would be tougher) and FEU (do their best here)

against

UST's next opponents- NU, Adamson and FEU (all are tough opponents)

Their season still depends on how UST would perform. Pero galingan na rin nila.

The_Big_Cat
09-01-2011, 01:45 PM
From Patricia Hizon's twitter:

"So... Coach of the people now moving markets. He'll soon lead those aiming for targets".

Bruticus
09-03-2011, 08:48 PM
Now with UST winning over Adamson earlier, one more loss by La Salle means farewell for the season. The guys will have to give everything they've got in their next 3 games.

jollibeeaddict
09-03-2011, 11:49 PM
Now with UST winning over Adamson earlier, one more loss by La Salle means farewell for the season. The guys will have to give everything they've got in their next 3 games.


Even if DLSU wins all three games, if UST wins one more, DLSU, no thanks to Dindo and friends, will still be booted out of the Final Four this season.

oca
09-04-2011, 09:17 AM
The way things have been, sinong naniniwalang kayang ipapanalo ng La Salle ang huli nilang 3 laro?

Miron ako, pero di ako magmi-miron na ipapanalo nila yang 3 yan.

Di pa nga tapos ang S74, coaching change na ang pinag-uusapan pati na sa main stream media, tapos etong 3 huling laro ipapanalo?

Kundi sila nauulol, wala pa rin yan sa tamang pag-iisip.

Dark Knight
09-04-2011, 04:13 PM
La Salle might win their next 3 games but all of it means nothing cause i feel UST will win another for their 8th win, shutting the hopes of the green archers for a final 4 appearance.

Bruticus
09-04-2011, 08:30 PM
Well, they finally got a W today, by erasing a 20 pt. deficit vs. UP. Utang na loob buti naman at nanalo La Salle.

Joescoundrel
09-05-2011, 10:14 AM
Lasalle kept its Final 4 hopes flickering by getting past a resilient UP side. Down as much as 20 points in the first half, the Archers came back behind Norbert Torres, Arnold Van Opstal, Luigi Dela Paz, LA Revilla and Almond Vosotros. Torres and Van Opstal finally started playing like true bigs and pounded the inside from the latter part of the second period throughout most of the third period. Vosotros once again found the range from trey range even as Revilla rediscovered his dribble-penetration. Dela Paz had hits as needed. UP still almost pulled this one through with Mike Silungan and Miggy Maniego keeping up the fight up to the last few seconds. Lasalle now needs to hope that UST does not win any more of its last assignments.

Bruticus
09-08-2011, 10:15 PM
The Green Archers have just reached the end of the road. 56-40 in favor of NU.

blu45
09-09-2011, 12:50 AM
Poor coaching did them in.

It is now obvious that Dindo is no Franz. One game to go and yet Dindo has not figured out his rotation. He also seems to be a slow thinker. During crucial time outs when the game is on the line, he finds it difficult to quickly articulate his thoughts.

Jack Santiago is still his old pathetic self - jumping and clapping like a monkey in the sidelines without rhyme or reason. Trying to justify your salary? So many years as assistant coach and yet he has not developed into head coach material.

What about Tonichi? He pretty much failed to develop La Salle's big men. So much raw talent wasted.

The current roster, if given a better coaching staff, would have easily entered the final four.

jollibeeaddict
09-09-2011, 01:22 AM
Kung hindi pa klaro na ang coaches ang problema, mula sa palpak na paggawa ng plays hanggang sa hindi pag-harness ng potential ng players, hindi ko na alam sa DLSU.

Joescoundrel
09-09-2011, 08:59 AM
A good friend of mine who is also a basketball reporter and I had an interesting discussion a couple nights back over dinner. He said this Lasalle roster has a lot of good players but no real superstar types. He said the last time Lasalle had true superstars was 2008 when JV Casio and Rico Maeirhofer were still with the team. When the likes of Bader Malabes, James Mangahas and PJ Barua were the only veterans left, Lasalle finished sixth (or was it fifth). Therein lies the real problem for these Green Archers, said he. When the game is on the line there really isn't that one really good player they can go to (a Casio), not even a defensive stopper (a Maeirhofer).

I then interjected that perhaps the coaches therefore cannot really be expected to shoulder all the blame. My friend retorted that with all the potential on this team, it was up to the coaches to develop them. If guys like Oda Tampus, Norbert Torres, Joseph Marata, Almond Vosotros, Arnold Van Opstal and Papot Paredes haven't gotten going then it can only be the fault of the coaches whose job it was to develop them. That discussion has not yet ended between us, because I still believe all of this should be lain only at the feet of the coaches.

easter
09-09-2011, 09:31 AM
The next few months will be very crucial for DLSU. Since Pumaren is almost certain not to be retained, finding a new coach is imperative and must be made ASAP. Since a new system will be put in place, the community must be reminded of toned down expectations so as to give the program some breathing room to grow.

Bruticus
09-09-2011, 11:26 PM
Poor coaching did them in.

Jack Santiago is still his old pathetic self - jumping and clapping like a monkey in the sidelines without rhyme or reason. Trying to justify your salary? So many years as assistant coach and yet he has not developed into head coach material.



I remember watching him on TV, temporarily taking over from Franz a couple of years ago, and during a time out he was a nervous wreck and took a while before he could devise a play and kulang na lang umihi siya sa pantalon niya. It was funny and at the same time disgusting.

jollibeeaddict
09-10-2011, 05:28 PM
Ang pagbabago sa DLSU basketball ay dapat nang simulan bukas.

ballzebub
09-10-2011, 06:39 PM
I say treat tomorrow's game not as their last game for season 74 but the 1st game of their preparations for season 75. Everyone knows how badly (desperately) they need the headstart.

If possible, use atkins briefly so we can give him the ceremonial round of applause when he is subbed. It will be after all his last game as a green archer (sadly, the last archer standing with a ring). And if there is any real intention (or promise) to give Sara and gotladera heavy minutes next year, then tomorrow should be a good time to soak them in some playing time. It's a good opportunity for them -- a regular uaap game against a team fighting for a shot at he #2 spot.

fujima04
09-10-2011, 07:03 PM
a regular uaap game against a team fighting for a shot at he #2 spot.

With Adamson's over Ateneo earlier, FEU is already out of contention for the No. 2 slot.

Placing na lang kung sino magiging third between UST and FEU ang paglalaban bukas.

ballzebub
09-10-2011, 07:14 PM
a regular uaap game against a team fighting for a shot at he #2 spot.

With Adamson's over Ateneo earlier, FEU is already out of contention for the No. 2 slot.

Placing na lang kung sino magiging third between UST and FEU ang paglalaban bukas.


thanks for the info.

pati maui pala, i hear it's his last game na rin. i can only count 4yrs though. was there also a maui villanueva rule that maybe robbed him of a year? anyway, i'd rather gotladera start easing into his spot starting tomorrow.

Bruticus
09-10-2011, 07:35 PM
I just hope we eke out a W tomorrow. Tutal the pressure is already gone, the guys should play hard and enjoy the game. Would like to see them ride off into the sunset of Season 74 on a winning note.

fujima04
09-10-2011, 08:03 PM
a regular uaap game against a team fighting for a shot at he #2 spot.

With Adamson's over Ateneo earlier, FEU is already out of contention for the No. 2 slot.

Placing na lang kung sino magiging third between UST and FEU ang paglalaban bukas.


thanks for the info.

pati maui pala, i hear it's his last game na rin. i can only count 4yrs though. was there also a maui villanueva rule that maybe robbed him of a year? anyway, i'd rather gotladera start easing into his spot starting tomorrow.

Yep. I think Maui would be over the age limit next year. So a W tomorrow would be a good send-off for him.

And the most important is that a W would be good for DLSU to end their campaign. A good way to start if ever a change would be implemented in the near future.

plop
09-10-2011, 08:46 PM
Dindo pumaren can't really coach look what he have done to UE warriors being favored to win the championship but wahh losing the finals and his composure under pressure.....

bchoter
09-10-2011, 09:34 PM
Yes, DLSU should treat this game as if they're up for a final four slot. They need to show character NOW. They should crush the Tamaraws. They should show the other teams they are ready to get their program back on track. Win win win.

Please! Please?

jollibeeaddict
09-10-2011, 10:56 PM
Ang mga mahiwagang tanong pagkatapos ng bukas:

1. Lalayas na ba ang grupo nina Dindo Pumaren?
2. Sino ang ipapalit ng DLSU bilang head coach kung mapupunta sa B-Meg si Tim Cone at "hindi daw interesado" (sabi ni Rick Olivares) na mag-coach sa DLSU si Jong Uichico?

blu45
09-11-2011, 05:20 PM
La salle showed some swagger against feu but fell short in the end.

Webb even tried to go for an emphatic dunk to close the game but was met by a "see you next year" monster block by Mark Bringas.

La salle now enters a period of uncertainty as some rebuilding (especially in the coaching staff) is inevitable.

izon
09-11-2011, 05:48 PM
I am now interested on the coach recruitment rather than the player recruitment program.

plop
09-11-2011, 06:30 PM
Now open for new coaching applicants ;D

bchoter
09-12-2011, 12:02 AM
Before they let Dindo go can't they get rid of Jack Santiago first? He's way more animated than Dindo sometimes you can't tell who the head coach is. He also talks to players who were substituted after Dindo has already talked to the player.

GHRanger
09-12-2011, 09:14 AM
Yes, DLSU should treat this game as if they're up for a final four slot. They need to show character NOW. They should crush the Tamaraws. They should show the other teams they are ready to get their program back on track. Win win win.

Please! Please?



Manong, I think both our teams fell short yesterday. Good luck to UST in the Final Four -- ADMU is a tough nut to crack.

nel
09-12-2011, 09:23 AM
Yes, DLSU should treat this game as if they're up for a final four slot. They need to show character NOW. They should crush the Tamaraws. They should show the other teams they are ready to get their program back on track. Win win win.

Please! Please?



Manong, I think both our teams fell short yesterday. Good luck to UST in the Final Four -- ADMU is a tough nut to crack.


Yeah, sorry we couldn't oblige, but our coaches got in the way of the team.

bchoter
09-12-2011, 12:06 PM
Thanks Ranger and nel. We are probably 50 points under...cats versus the Eagles but you'll never know ;).

There's really not much you can do when Romeo is on fire while Garcia is his usual self. These two plus Tolomia had their way in the lane, getting to where they want to without much resistance.

Too bad for Simon although he put up a gallant stand. If only he was allowed to play this way...

Side comments:
AVO needs to improve his anticipation to be of any help on defense. His block against Garcia was really because RR took it to him but, most of the time, when he comes over to help, the ball is already out of his reach before his futile attempt at blocking. Bukod sa hindi na siya makakabutata, he becomes vulnerable to the drop pass. Too much pressure on the help D.

What was the incident between Vic Pablo and one of your team staff (manager?) Unfortunately, even if it was justified, La Salle will be at the losing end in public opinion after the Salgado incident and, more recent, the Webb incident.

And what's up with Jack? From where i sat (behind the DLSU bench), he looked like he was challenging Knuttel for a fight (after Vosotros told them he was hit where it hurt the most) but couldn't cross the sidelines for fear for of being T'd up by the officials. Parang nagsumbong si li'l bro (Vosotros) kay big bro (Santiago) :D

bchoter
09-12-2011, 12:24 PM
Yes, DLSU should treat this game as if they're up for a final four slot. They need to show character NOW. They should crush the Tamaraws. They should show the other teams they are ready to get their program back on track. Win win win.

Please! Please?



Manong, I think both our teams fell short yesterday. Good luck to UST in the Final Four -- ADMU is a tough nut to crack.


Yeah, sorry we couldn't oblige, but our coaches got in the way of the team
More Jack Santiago rants: kung makautos sa isa sa mga asst. coaches you'd think he was the head coach. He motioned for one of the assistant coaches to get the white board at nag diagram ng play sa sidelines. Can't remember who the player was but that looked like undermining Dindo to me. Of course I don't know how they play their roles pero that would never happen if it was Franz at the helm. Feeling head coach I swear.

Isa pa: Obligado ba ang mga assistants na mag explain sa supporters during the game? Why do Jack and Tonichi have to explain to the alumni (or sports officials) seated behind the bench what Papot was doing wrong in the post? Aba'y kinakausap ba naman yung mga mirones sa likod making hand gestures show what Papot should be doing.

bchoter
09-12-2011, 12:28 PM
and I feel bad for Webb (ako ba to?). He wasn't really expecting Bringas to challenge him when he went up for the dunk. It was so unsportsmanlike for the thug to block an unsuspecting player. To think that the game was already decided at that point

RuckuS
09-12-2011, 01:19 PM
and I feel bad for Webb (ako ba to?). He wasn't really expecting Bringas to challenge him when he went up for the dunk. It was so unsportsmanlike for the thug to block an unsuspecting player. To think that the game was already decided at that point


i doubt it as an "unsuspecting" block, since it was harap-harapan supalpal. nobody wants to be posterized with a highlight reel dunk, specially if the jumping player isnt known as a highflyer thus the elevation isnt has high and can easily be blocked even by a burly Bringas. ;D

ika nga sabi sa kabila -- "Webb! .. see you next year!" - Mark Bringas

jollibeeaddict
09-12-2011, 01:22 PM
Yes, DLSU should treat this game as if they're up for a final four slot. They need to show character NOW. They should crush the Tamaraws. They should show the other teams they are ready to get their program back on track. Win win win.

Please! Please?



Manong, I think both our teams fell short yesterday. Good luck to UST in the Final Four -- ADMU is a tough nut to crack.


Yeah, sorry we couldn't oblige, but our coaches got in the way of the team
More Jack Santiago rants: kung makautos sa isa sa mga asst. coaches you'd think he was the head coach. He motioned for one of the assistant coaches to get the white board at nag diagram ng play sa sidelines. Can't remember who the player was but that looked like undermining Dindo to me. Of course I don't know how they play their roles pero that would never happen if it was Franz at the helm. Feeling head coach I swear.

Isa pa: Obligado ba ang mga assistants na mag explain sa supporters during the game? Why do Jack and Tonichi have to explain to the alumni (or sports officials) seated behind the bench what Papot was doing wrong in the post? Aba'y kinakausap ba naman yung mga mirones sa likod making hand gestures show what Papot should be doing.


Hindi po mga simpleng miron yung nasa likod ng bench. Ang mga yun po ay sina Pilo Pumaren at Derrick Pumaren. Nagpapa-tutor sina Dindo, Jack at Tonichi ng dapat nilang gawin sa dalawang nakakatanda na nasa likod nila.

stonecold316
09-12-2011, 01:23 PM
Is it true na si Jong Uichico ang napupusuang new head coach ng DLSU? I think with him at the helm, mas gaganda ang future ng DLSU basketball.
;) ;) ;)

bchoter
09-12-2011, 01:29 PM
This game coach Dindo got good results from his hugots. Good things happened when he inserted Atkins, Webb and Mendoza. But in the end game they just couldn't stop the FEU backcourt

Dark Knight
09-12-2011, 01:47 PM
I somehow felt ashamed to what Bringas did to Webb.The game is already won and he should've let go.In respect to La Salle's centennial anniversary.

GHRanger
09-12-2011, 01:48 PM
This game coach Dindo got good results from his hugots. Good things happened when he inserted Atkins, Webb and Mendoza. But in the end game they just couldn't stop the FEU backcourt


Manong, I agree, Papot, Jovet should have been given more playing time EARLY IN THE SEASON. I would've wished for a win just to end the season good and have a proper sendoff for Maui and Simon. Pero... Iba talaga yung tira ni RR - pamatay sunog.

Good Luck again -- malay niyo 2006 all over again! hahaha...

As for the coach, kutob ko, any announcement will be done after the Finals.

bchoter
09-12-2011, 02:30 PM
and I feel bad for Webb (ako ba to?). He wasn't really expecting Bringas to challenge him when he went up for the dunk. It was so unsportsmanlike for the thug to block an unsuspecting player. To think that the game was already decided at that point


i doubt it as an "unsuspecting" block, since it was harap-harapan supalpal. nobody wants to be posterized with a highlight reel dunk, specially if the jumping player isnt known as a highflyer thus the elevation isnt has high and can easily be blocked even by a burly Bringas. ;D

ika nga sabi sa kabila -- "Webb! .. see you next year!" - Mark Bringas
After the game akala ko sasapakin ni Webb si Bringas kasi mukhang pasugod ang dating :D

Joescoundrel
09-12-2011, 02:52 PM
One of the most well-funded and well-supported teams in the UAAP ends its Season 74 campaign with a loss to the Number 3 team in the Final 4.

Quo vadis? Or vadis retro?

There are some very good pieces on this roster: Arnold Van Opstal, LA Revilla, Almond Vosotros, Papot Paredes, Joseph Marata, Norbert Torres, Yutien Andrada. Sadly everyone else seems to be on the bubble or complete deadwood. At least two of the good ones need to be developed into true superstar-types.

Revilla would seem to be the most logical candidate, since he has the natural skill and talent and the moxie. Unfortunately his health is far from being 100% good.

Van Opstal is the other candidate with his combination of size, length, agility and strength, but it has yet to be seen whether or not he has the aptitude and willingness to improve himself. His hands and footwork were suspect all season long. Everytime he spun around or pulled a drop step he wasn't squaring himself well at all before going for a shot, hence the travels and three-second violations.

Finally the most obvious question: who will do the developing? Both Jong Uichico and Gee Abanilla are fine coaches, but they've been in the pro game for too long, and might need two or three years to re-acclimate to the college game. I doubt the fans and boosters have that kind of patience, especially after the way this season unfolded, or unravelled as the case may be.

Kid Cubao
09-12-2011, 03:40 PM
kung sino man ang susunod na head coach ng la salle green archers, i would like to share these sage words from no less than leon guerrero himself, lito lapid:

"Dare what it takes to be. Then we shall so because it is. To do or not, now or what else to be without."

maroonmartian
09-12-2011, 04:38 PM
^ Bawi na lang kayo sa PCCL. Except kung ayaw nila sumali to "regroup". Tanggalin na lang kaya mga assistant coaches na dapat magdevelop sa mga players. And maybe retain Dindo.

LaKazTaMa
09-12-2011, 09:02 PM
" see you next year and remember my Last name " yan yun supalpal message ni mark Bringas para dw sa brother nyang ex-dlsu Arvie Bringas . ;D

izon
09-13-2011, 07:06 AM
Magsama na silang kapwa bobo nyang kapatid nyang si Arvin.

TruVerde
09-13-2011, 10:34 AM
and I feel bad for Webb (ako ba to?). He wasn't really expecting Bringas to challenge him when he went up for the dunk. It was so unsportsmanlike for the thug to block an unsuspecting player. To think that the game was already decided at that point


i doubt it as an "unsuspecting" block, since it was harap-harapan supalpal. nobody wants to be posterized with a highlight reel dunk, specially if the jumping player isnt known as a highflyer thus the elevation isnt has high and can easily be blocked even by a burly Bringas. ;D

ika nga sabi sa kabila -- "Webb! .. see you next year!" - Mark Bringas

baka mag "i am sorry", the ateneo way! ::)

bchoter
09-13-2011, 02:48 PM
and I feel bad for Webb (ako ba to?). He wasn't really expecting Bringas to challenge him when he went up for the dunk. It was so unsportsmanlike for the thug to block an unsuspecting player. To think that the game was already decided at that point


i doubt it as an "unsuspecting" block, since it was harap-harapan supalpal. nobody wants to be posterized with a highlight reel dunk, specially if the jumping player isnt known as a highflyer thus the elevation isnt has high and can easily be blocked even by a burly Bringas. ;D

ika nga sabi sa kabila -- "Webb! .. see you next year!" - Mark Bringas
I think Webb didn't really expect to be challenged given the circumstances. As soon as they got the turnover he asked for the ball and the look on his face showed he wanted the dunk and he wsn't really paying attention to the defense given the situation. Mark Bringas risked an injury to either players with that block. I'm not Webb fan but in that situation, ibigay mo na. Unless the Bringass had an axe to grind. Baka hindi nagpa kopya. Ay mali yata :D

Joescoundrel
09-13-2011, 02:58 PM
^ No one wants to be on the wrong end of a dunk, regardless at what point of the game it may occur. If Joshua Webb wanted to get a last word in he could have settled for a stop-jumper, would've been a surer two points and additional stats. As for Tonton Bringas not just letting him have it, and thus risking injury to both of them, well... let's just say Bringas operates on far baser instincts than most players in the UAAP, likely something he learned while a few hundred meters away at San Sebastian... :-X

bchoter
09-13-2011, 03:08 PM
Mark could just have stayed a distance from the shaded lane and he wouls not have been posterized. It was the prudent thing to do and a sporting gesture as well.

This reminds me of the anecdote from our gameface friend from the Proj 2/3 which shows Willie Miller's "generosity". Willie, already a start at Letran then, scripted his shot so the defender can block his shot and look good to his coaches.

oca
09-13-2011, 03:52 PM
Stop "over thinking" that situation.

I've seen the Bringas brothers the first year they played for the Staglets. Pagdating sa court they play on instincts. Hindi gaano nag-iisip ang mga yan. In that situation, instincts prevailed, has always been the case and will always be the case.

That's not to belittle their game, just describing it.

Mel
09-13-2011, 04:26 PM
Sid Ventura'ss season 74 autopsy of the Green Archers: http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/collegehoops/mighty-fallen-101405629.html

Joescoundrel
09-14-2011, 11:05 AM
^ Sid should have added the great expectations of the Lasalle community to his analysis. Aside from the apparent shortcomings of the present roster, there is the ever-present pressure to excel in the sport brought about by the expectations of a community that got very used to winning. There is no taking away the record of the Green Archers over the last dozen years, which adds to the expectations of the community.

On a related note, this is akin to the expectations now of the Ateneo community with the Blue Eagles seeking a fourth straight UAAP Title. You know it is the community's expectations already getting the better of them when a good number of them panic after one loss and a 13-1 record. 13-1 for godsakes!

I've already stated that this roster has some good pieces, but it'll take a special coach to turn them into legit UAAP stars. Norman Black turned that trick with the problematic Rabeh Al-Hussaini, making him MVP in the first UAAP title of the Norman Black era. Who will do the same on the Lasalle side and for who?

james_hunt
09-14-2011, 04:06 PM
" see you next year and remember my Last name " yan yun supalpal message ni mark Bringas para dw sa brother nyang ex-dlsu Arvie Bringas . ;D


What goes around, comes around. ;)

james_hunt
09-14-2011, 04:08 PM
Sid Ventura'ss season 74 autopsy of the Green Archers: http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/collegehoops/mighty-fallen-101405629.html


Interesting read! the truth hurts but we'll be back. :)

easter
09-14-2011, 04:45 PM
I agree with joe, the DLSU basketball program has now become a victim of its own success. So many championships, so many finals and final four appearances will really result in heightened expectations for a community. Simply put DLSU is not used to losing.

Whoever becomes the coach next year will need time to adjust. We all know it Norman Black three years to finally win the big one even losing to a rookie coach when he finally landed in the finals for the first itme. It could happen but do not expect a Franz Pumaren like success in the very first year. Pero mahirap talaga na maintindihan ito ng school community except for those who know their basketball.

oca
09-14-2011, 06:26 PM
La Salle basketball just didn't evolve to keep pace with the changes that other programs made an effort to effect.

I prefer to look at it in this very simplified manner--

Through those years of dominance, on the average how many points did DLSU earned from forced turnovers? In almost every game, points off turnovers make up the bulk or at times was even more than their winning margins. All that was attributable to the then dreaded Pumaren press.

But all teams, at their own time, learned to play against it. So, what happened to the pts from forced turnovers? Nawala.

The signs were there, opponents were learning to employ some form of press break, yet DLSU persisted with that press. Eventually, it became a non-factor and what was left of their game? Where will the points now come from?

Other factors may be cited, but I repeat, aside from the dreaded press, what was La Salle's game all about? What do people remember about it?

If you can describe it with one word, what would it be?

PRESS, di ba?

The press was effectively addressed with press breaks of different variations, but what did Archers do to counter it?

mighty_lion
09-14-2011, 06:43 PM
Teamwise - Masyadong bata yun mga players at yun mga veterans hindi masyado nag-iimprove at hindi nagmamature yun leadership. Experience and maturity matters too. Isa pa yun killer instinct wala masyado. I think the community expected to much from some of the players too.

Coaching wise - I think Dindo is a good coach but for some reason or another we know pagdating sa dulo or dun sa panahon na kailangan me binubuga na dapat, palaging kapos at parang walang baon. It has something to do with how you plan the entire season at dapat me bala ka after first round, another sa F4 and another sa finals. Way back then, Archers can have a disappointing 1st round but they peak at the right time and still end up winning the crown.

arkuo14
09-15-2011, 03:01 AM
La Salle basketball just didn't evolve to keep pace with the changes that other programs made an effort to effect.

I prefer to look at it in this very simplified manner--

Through those years of dominance, on the average how many points did DLSU earned from forced turnovers? In almost every game, points off turnovers make up the bulk or at times was even more than their winning margins. All that was attributable to the then dreaded Pumaren press.

But all teams, at their own time, learned to play against it. So, what happened to the pts from forced turnovers? Nawala.

The signs were there, opponents were learning to employ some form of press break, yet DLSU persisted with that press. Eventually, it became a non-factor and what was left of their game? Where will the points now come from?

Other factors may be cited, but I repeat, aside from the dreaded press, what was La Salle's game all about? What do people remember about it?

If you can describe it with one word, what would it be?

PRESS, di ba?

The press was effectively addressed with press breaks of different variations, but what did Archers do to counter it?




this hit the nail on the head.

the purpose of the press was to delay the offense of the opposing team that would result in either a steal or a bad shot with the clock running down. somewhere along that line, the green archers used that same press as a source of their offense. Franz's system was most effective when it had superstars to create opportunities for the other players on the floor. it was boom or bust. luckily he had the ritualos and cardonas to bail him out everytime. these stars had the ball in their hands most of the time and attempted more field goal attempts than their teammates.

the "formula" was:
press + fast break points = 80PPG

so we take away the fast break points, and the shots attempted by these stars (assuming dindo shuffles his players everytime and trying to impose an equal opportunity half court set) and we end the game with DLSU barely scoring 40 points. the bread and butter play was taken away. DLSU was left clueless on where to source out more points. fast break points constituted a huge bulk of DLSU's success back then. when it was taken away, the effect was glaring (and alarming).

DLSU caught lightning in a bottle with Franz and his press. The effect made him look better, believe me. But winning, being in the finals for the past decade also put the targets behind the archers' backs. now every team in the league focused on how to take down the best team. it was only a matter of time before everybody catches up. In my opinion, Norman Black's offense was built around that. hit DLSU where it matters the most. Bring in the best big men that could eat up DLSU's under-developed ones, the focus on breaking the press which would lead to DLSU's guards left in the back court.

here's a thought, what would cardona, ritualo, al-hussaini and paul lee be had they taken 3-4 shots per game. Franz let the collar loose on these players. during the last no-bearing game, i was actually hoping that Dindo would let guys like Tampus take 20 shots attempts and see what happens. all it takes is a push. Micromanaging doesn't work.

Joescoundrel
09-15-2011, 09:32 AM
^Arkuo14, I've always wondered how Dindo manages his practices. What you do in games is what you ran in practice. I've heard from some boosters that Jovet Mendoza is close to being the best big man in practice, rebounds strongly, gets put-backs, great moves down low, even shows a good elbow jumper, so how come he was in the doghouse most of the season?

nel
09-15-2011, 09:57 AM
^Arkuo14, I've always wondered how Dindo manages his practices. What you do in games is what you ran in practice. I've heard from some boosters that Jovet Mendoza is close to being the best big man in practice, rebounds strongly, gets put-backs, great moves down low, even shows a good elbow jumper, so how come he was in the doghouse most of the season?


Because he's a former Bullpup? :) Just kidding.

There's no fathoming how Dindo coaches. Early on, I thought that there was a method to his madness, but as the season progressed, none became apparent. Weaknesses at the start of the season were not addressed, and in fact, were even repeated until the end. Flaws in our defense, particularly the zone, were never satisfactorily addressed, which is why I posted in another forum that the zone killed us - ours and the opponents'.

Credit the other coaches for having good press break plays, but after seeing them executed a few times, they become known factors and it was expected that some countermeasures would be instituted. For example, I observed how Adamson broke our press in the first quarter, a down-the-line pass to a receiver around halfcourt, they did it repeatedly, yet there was no apparent attempt to anticipate this particular play throughout the first half. Adamson was hardly troubled by the press.

That was just one example; as I mentioned, our zone was a major liability. I can just imagine the eyes of the opposing coaches just lighting up whenever our coaches called for a zone. FEU shredded our zone in the second half of our last game. Repeatedly. On the other side of the coin, our zone busters never seemed to work, which is why we saw a lot of zone this season, particularly in the 2nd round.

I guess that the apparent inability to make adjustments by our coaches did in the team. Either that or they were consistently outsmarted by their counterparts, because we only won 1 game. We're probably lucky that UP and UE weren't able to get enough wins to overtake us.

Till next season.

jollibeeaddict
09-15-2011, 07:18 PM
Nag-resign na daw kanina sina Dindo. Magandang balita ito para sa lahat.

arkuo14
09-15-2011, 11:19 PM
^Arkuo14, I've always wondered how Dindo manages his practices. What you do in games is what you ran in practice. I've heard from some boosters that Jovet Mendoza is close to being the best big man in practice, rebounds strongly, gets put-backs, great moves down low, even shows a good elbow jumper, so how come he was in the doghouse most of the season?


i can't quite put my finger on Dindo's schemes. But if i were to take a guess, then i think it's because he's looking forward and trying to "develop" the younger players into scoring leaders. If I'm not mistaken, Jovet Mendoza is playing on his last year next season. Trying to "invest" in him wouldn't make sense as he's leaving next season anyway. and my guess is they'd rather dedicate resources on potential leaders who will be here long term (i.e. Tampus, Dela Paz). It's that or Dindo's playbook is just too guard-centric. My two cents. ;)

jollibeeaddict
09-16-2011, 02:15 AM
http://www.goarchers.com/6843/university-statement-on-the-dlsu-mens-basketball-team/


University statement


DLSU Green Archers head coach Dindo Pumaren and his coaching staff filed their resignations effective September 11, 2011. De La Salle University has accepted them with deep regret.

The University extends its appreciation to Coach Dindo and his staff for their years of service and wishes them the best in their future endeavors. It also remains open to engaging them in the development of DLSU’s sports programs.

To chart the direction of the Men’s Basketball Team, the University has formed a basketball program review committee and is chaired by DLSU Vice Chancellor for Lasallian Mission and Alumni Relations Br. Bernard S. Oca FSC.


-DLSU Office of Sports Development

plop
09-16-2011, 07:03 AM
Yehey.... ;D

greyes11
09-16-2011, 10:23 AM
The one who should tender his resignation is Bro. Bernard Oca for insisting and holding on to the Pumarens for so long! 2009 should have been the wake up call for them to realize that change has to take place, and take place ASAP. It had to take an embarrassing season to make him decide to change the coach! But, hold on folks, he wants the other brother to consider being part of the "new" team! What gives Bro, what gives? You already protected them from the Peptest fiasco at the expense of the university, I say that's more than enough for the many championships they have given us...ENOUGH!!

Joescoundrel
09-16-2011, 11:07 AM
^ Gilbert Reyes Junior ikaw ba 'yan...? ;D Biro lang ha, welcome to Gameface greyes11.

Those are pretty strong sentiments coming from a Lasallian, but as I've heard over the last three years, not an isolated one. Sources informed us that Gee Abanilla seems to be the frontrunner in the coaching search. Whoever gets the job needs to get the job ASAP before the second second semester tournaments like the Fr Martin Cup Open begins. Even if Lasalle is not joining that tournament, the new coach has to buckle down to work right away. And by the llok of things, there's plenty of work to be done.

maroonmartian
09-16-2011, 11:24 AM
^ Sasali na yung DLSU sa PCCL (kung matutuloy ito). It will be good to see the new coach (and system) of DLSU.

If may add regarding the press. "Di na siya ganun kaeffective". Sure there would be teams that could be caught with it but they have learn to break it. They forgot to develop their talents physically and mentally.

keeper24
09-16-2011, 07:38 PM
For my personal understanding there is a difference between Dindo and Franz’s press. All season long I only saw one variation being used by dindo and that was broken by the other teams very easily. I remember my classmates in the athletes block of 98 explaining me that the press of Franz was more of a fake trap with many many variations. Thus the havoc it caused to the other teams including Black’s ADMU.

Whoever it will be as long as a proper staff to develop the big men and a more better people person to motivate the players. This is what Dindo lacked compared to Kuya

Nike Air
09-16-2011, 10:04 PM
Whoa? Strong statements there regarding Bro. Oca. Actually, mukhang dikit talaga si Bernie kay Franz kaya hindi maiiwasang may ganyang mga balitang lumalabas ngayon. Sa sobrang dami ng balita, hindi mo na alam kung ano ang paniniwalaan mo.

Sana magising na ang La Salle sa katotohanan na hindi na umuubra ang so-called "Pumaren" system. Masyado ata silang naging focused na pag-master ng press plays at nakalimutan nang turuan ang kanilang mga players ng iba pang facets ng game tulad ng one-on-one skills, simple passing, rebounding positioning, and more importantly free throws.

May paniniwala ang mga Pumaren brothers na ang free throw ay mental lamang pero sana man lang e naituro yung proper form sa mga bata para naman baka sakaling may naipanalo silang mga laro during the past three horrible seasons kung naipasok man lamang nila yung mga free throws na yun. Ang mga nakakalaban ng La Salle ay nag-iimprove din at hindi naman habambuhay na malilito sa pressure defense nila. In short, nakalimutan nang mag-adjust ng mga coaches.

Malaki at mabigat ang trabahong haharapin ng kung sino mang susunod na coach ng pamatasan. Una na lang e kung happy ba yung coach sa materyales na meron siya ngayon lalo na't mas dadali ang buhay ng dahil kay Boss Danding. Sunod ay ang pag-aaral ng bagong sistema sa mga players to prepare them and be competitive come Season 75. Kunsabagay, nagawa nga ni Franz na makuha ang kampeonato kahit na bandang May of 1998 na siya pumasok sa Taft, e tingin ko naman kayang gawin din ito kung sino mang susunod na coach ng Green Archers.

jollibeeaddict
09-16-2011, 10:19 PM
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/232599/sports/uichico-and-abanilla-candidates-for-dlsu-head-coaching-job] (http://"Uichico and Abanilla candidates for DLSU head coaching job[/B]
09/16/2011 | 05:34 PM


Jong Uichico and Gee Abanilla have cropped up as possible candidates to fill the De La Salle Green Archers head coaching job vacancy.

The names of Uichico and Abanilla have been floated after Dindo Pumaren recently resigned as head coach of the Green Archers after two seasons in the league.

The Green Archers failed to make it to the Final Four for the second time in three years after winning just five of their 14 games in the 74th season of the league.

A source said that Uichico and Abanilla are the top candidates having previously worked with the La Salle coaching staff and their involvement with San Miguel Corporation (SMC).

Uichico coached the Green Archers in the mid-1990s before being named as head coach of San Miguel Beer in 1999 where he began his string of championships with San Miguel and Barangay Ginebra in the PBA. He was also the national coach in the 2002 Busan Asian Games.

Abanilla, meanwhile, was one of the top lieutenants of Franz Pumaren when the Green Archers had their title run in the 2000s.

DLSU had asked prominent alumni to act as "godfathers" to support the team, not necessarily financially, but in any way they could. One of those that had been talked about as possible "godfather" was SMC chairman Danding Cojuangco.

Uichico recently moved down as assistant coach of Barangay Ginebra in lieu of Siot Tanquincen while Abanilla is one of the assistant coaches of Ato Agustin for Petron, the 2011 PBA Governors’ Cup champion.

La Salle has formed a basketball program review committee chaired by Vice Chancellor for Lasallian Mission and Alumni Relations Br. Bernie Oca and made up of several stakeholders of the school that will address the coaching situation in the Green Archers.

Bruticus
09-18-2011, 11:42 AM
BTW congrats sa DLSU Animo Squad for placing 2nd in yesterday's CDC. Medyo pampalubag loob siya following the G.A's disappointing campaign. Sana mag top 3 ulit ang A.S, together with the Archers reaching the final 4.

maroonmartian
09-18-2011, 02:28 PM
BTW congrats sa DLSU Animo Squad for placing 2nd in yesterday's CDC. Medyo pampalubag loob siya following the G.A's disappointing campaign. Sana mag top 3 ulit ang A.S, together with the Archers reaching the final 4.

Don't also forget your Women's team who beat #1 seed FEU to force a rubber match. Congrats din si Animo Squad for finishing runner-up. Mas gusto ko naman na sila nasa top 3 kaysa yung isang team. Looking for a good fight next year.

Regarding sa coaching change, we will see who in the coming PCCL if they would field him already. The team has talent obviously, but they don't have that guts to compete with the other Final 4 teams.

kuzma1313
09-18-2011, 04:24 PM
bawi nalang kau next year... with a good coach and assistant coaches.....

jollibeeaddict
09-22-2011, 12:15 AM
Wala nang mas bobobo pa sa plano na ibalik si Franz sa halip na si Abanilla ang piliin na head coach. Walang pinagkaiba kay Dindo ang Kuya Franz niya. Ibalik si Franz sa La Salle at lalayasan ni Danding ang La Salle.

jollibeeaddict
09-22-2011, 12:47 AM
The one who should tender his resignation is Bro. Bernard Oca for insisting and holding on to the Pumarens for so long! 2009 should have been the wake up call for them to realize that change has to take place, and take place ASAP. It had to take an embarrassing season to make him decide to change the coach! But, hold on folks, he wants the other brother to consider being part of the "new" team! What gives Bro, what gives? You already protected them from the Peptest fiasco at the expense of the university, I say that's more than enough for the many championships they have given us...ENOUGH!!


At si Bro. Oca din ang magbabalik kay Franz sa La Salle kahit na sinabi na hindi hamak na mas dapat piliin niya si Abanilla.

Joescoundrel
09-22-2011, 07:15 AM
Simmer down, boys. Season's up, time for some R and R and then back to the drawing board and keeping in game shape.

I think one of the things that spoiled the Lasalle community especially during their 4-Peat reign was the proliferation of players who were already highly accomplished, polished and ready to play from the get-go. These guys didn't need too much training and coaching on the individual level. Guys like Jerwin Gaco, Mac Cardona, Joseph Yeo, JV Casio, Rico Maeirhofer, Don Allado, Renren Ritualo, Mike Cortez, Willy Wilson needed maybe one year at most to acclimate themselves to the UAAP game and then just plain played like men among boys.

Look at the roster you have now and there is no one there who is at that level. As I said before, there are many good players with still-untapped potential, but they may need at least another two years to even begin to be as good as the last generation of champion Green Archers. Plus again there is the question: Who will teach these guys? Norman Black needed all of three years to turn Rabeh Al-Hussaini into an MVP who would become good enough to be a PBA ROY. Who will do the teaching for this roster? I think that should be Gee Abanilla.

Bruticus
09-22-2011, 09:27 PM
Franz is already committed to the PBA, and it is downright selfish to ask Shopinas management to ask for his release. But then again, not everything you read in the news is the gospel truth.

tsikamajigs
09-27-2011, 04:50 AM
Bakit hindi kunin sa NU si Mon Jose?

Sam Miguel
09-27-2011, 09:20 AM
^ Sasali na yung DLSU sa PCCL (kung matutuloy ito). It will be good to see the new coach (and system) of DLSU.

If may add regarding the press. "Di na siya ganun kaeffective". Sure there would be teams that could be caught with it but they have learn to break it. They forgot to develop their talents physically and mentally.


How is Lasalle going to enter the PCCL? Did any of the other teams beg off from the tournament?

jollibeeaddict
09-27-2011, 07:44 PM
Binanggit ni G. Tony Atayde sa kanyang Twitter account na pinili na ng DLSU si Gee Abanilla bilang kapalit ni Dindo Pumaren. Makakasama ni Abanilla si Jong Uichico bilang team consultant.

arkuo14
09-27-2011, 09:36 PM
Binanggit ni G. Tony Atayde sa kanyang Twitter account na pinili na ng DLSU si Gee Abanilla bilang kapalit ni Dindo Pumaren. Makakasama ni Abanilla si Jong Uichico bilang team consultant.


That was immediately shot down by DLSU officials though. I wonder if there's any truth to it. Only time can tell. ;D

jollibeeaddict
09-28-2011, 12:00 AM
Binanggit ni G. Tony Atayde sa kanyang Twitter account na pinili na ng DLSU si Gee Abanilla bilang kapalit ni Dindo Pumaren. Makakasama ni Abanilla si Jong Uichico bilang team consultant.


That was immediately shot down by DLSU officials though. I wonder if there's any truth to it. Only time can tell. ;D


Ginagawan pa nila siguro ng paraan si Franz. :o

Wang-Bu
09-28-2011, 08:54 AM
Binanggit ni G. Tony Atayde sa kanyang Twitter account na pinili na ng DLSU si Gee Abanilla bilang kapalit ni Dindo Pumaren. Makakasama ni Abanilla si Jong Uichico bilang team consultant.


napakahirap naman yata na may gee abanilla at may jong uichico ng sabay. parehas silang nag-head coach na ultimo sa PBA, papano kaya ang trabaho nila para sa lasalle? mas mainam pumili na lang ng isa sa kanila, period.

mapleleafs
09-28-2011, 10:16 AM
Still mere speculation at this point as none of the parties have confirmed. If true, really happy for Gee. True greenie who represented his colors in both the HS and college level. Bit of a late bloomer in college ball, but truly understands the game.

Sharp, witty fellow with very good relationship skills. Will he bring a Zobel coaching lineup to Taft? Thinking of 2 names in my personal wishlist.

izon
09-28-2011, 03:50 PM
Binanggit ni G. Tony Atayde sa kanyang Twitter account na pinili na ng DLSU si Gee Abanilla bilang kapalit ni Dindo Pumaren. Makakasama ni Abanilla si Jong Uichico bilang team consultant.


napakahirap naman yata na may gee abanilla at may jong uichico ng sabay. parehas silang nag-head coach na ultimo sa PBA, papano kaya ang trabaho nila para sa lasalle? mas mainam pumili na lang ng isa sa kanila, period.


Read in DLSU fan page forum at facebook of Gee Abanilla's denial as new coach of La Salle. Let us wait for the official declaration rather than speculate.

jollibeeaddict
09-30-2011, 09:05 PM
Marapat siguro na magbitiw na si Bro. Oca sa kanyang posisyon. Siya, sampu ng mga kasama niya, ang nagpipilit na ibalik si Franz Pumaren kasama sina Jack Santiago at Tonichi Yturri sa La Salle bukod sa hindi nila sinisipot ang mga meeting nila sa kampo nina Danding Cojuangco at hindi nila kinakausap nang maayos si Gee Abanilla.

73503
09-30-2011, 09:26 PM
^^^
Sir. Maybe the La Salle Brothers have a deeper reason (i.e. political or social beliefs) for rejecting Danding Cojuangco's support. But I'm sure it will all be sorted out soon.

jollibeeaddict
09-30-2011, 09:32 PM
^^^
Sir. Maybe the La Salle Brothers have a deeper reason (i.e. political or social beliefs) for rejecting Danding Cojuangco's support. But I'm sure it will all be sorted out soon.


Matatawag ko na isang malaking katangahan ang pagpipilit nina Bro. Oca na ibalik si Franz Pumaren. Ngayon na labanan na ng paramihan ng pera at palakasan ng makinarya ang UAAP, ang hindi pagsuporta ni Danding at maging ni Enrique Razon sa La Salle nang dahil sa pagbabalik ni Franz Pumaren ang siyang lalong magbabaon sa Green Archers sa mas matindi pang kawalan at pagkatalo. Walang paraan ang La Salle na tumapat kay MVP ng Ateneo at kay Hans Sy ng NU at maging sa mga Montinola ng FEU kung wala sina Danding at Razon.

Maganda na malaman na ng lahat ito habang maaga at nang magising na sa katotohanan itong sina Bro. Oca. Ipipilit talaga si Franz na pati ang pagbabalik ng mga isinuka na ng lahat na sina Jack Santiago at Tonichi Yturri ay pagbibigyan niya kapalit ng pera at makinarya na magbabalik sana sa Green Archers sa ibabaw ng liga. Marapat lamang na magbitiw na sila sa kanilang mga tungkulin at nang masimulan na ang tunay na pagbabago sa La Salle basketball.

izon
10-01-2011, 06:35 AM
While reading various forums regarding the change of coaching personalilties within the DLSU camp, it has been clear that there are two factions. There are the pro Franz Pumaren faction and the pro Gee Abanilla faction. Is there is a deliberate attempt to destroy the Archers' fan base by pitting one coach against the other ? Mukhang iniintriga ang koponang ito at alam na natin kung sino ang makikinabang.

easter
10-01-2011, 09:28 AM
^Hindi naman siguro. If we look at other schools which had a disappointing season the knee jerk reaction is to change coaches and then different camps will have their various preferences. Every school experiences this and will only stop momentarily if such school wins it all at the end of the year. Just take a look at Pido Jarencio, in the eyes of many, his team has already overachieved this year but even within their own community there are clamors for him to be replaced. it seems that nothing but a championship will do in the UAAP these days. :(

jollibeeaddict
10-01-2011, 07:36 PM
Napakatigas kasi ng ulo ng grupo nina Bro. Oca. Maliwanag pa kasi sa sikat ng araw na kailangan nang palitan ang umiiral na sistema sa La Salle ngunit tila ba bulag sila sa katotohanan na ito.

Nang nasilat ng NU ang La Salle noong 2009, signos na iyon ng pagbagsak ng mga Pumaren at pangangailangan na baguhin ang sistema ngunit hindi ito binigyang pansin nina Bro. Oca. Ngayon na muling nasilat ng NU ang La Salle at nakakapanghinayang ang pagkasayang ng aming mga manlalaro dahil sa laspag na sistema ng mga Pumaren, eto na naman sina Bro. Oca, ipinipilit ang kanilang kapricho kahit na ang kagustuhan ng nakakarami sa La Salle ay tuluyan nang magpalit ng sistema at huwag nang pabalikin pa ang mga Pumaren.

Bro. Oca, hanggang kailan ba ka magbubulag-bulagan, magbibingi-bingihan at magtatanga-tangahan sa katotohanan na hindi na kaya ng mga Pumaren na ibangon ang dangal ng La Salle? Laspag na, basa na, pinagtatawanan na ang sistema ng mga Pumaren pero hindi ko alam sa iyo, sampu ng mga kasama mo, kung bakit ba ipinipilit mo pa na ibalik si Franz sa La Salle at sinabi ng grupo niyo na kaya ayaw niyo kay Gee Abanilla ay dahil "walang kakayahan" si Abanilla na tapatan ang "talino" ni Norman Black? Pati ba naman ang kundisyon ni Franz na ibalik sina Jack Santiago at Tonichi Yturri para bumalik siya sa La Salle ay papatusin niyo?

Alam mo Bro. Oca, dapat maging praktikal ka. Huwag kang hunghang. Alam mo na labanan ng paramihan ng pera at palakasan ng makinarya ang kalakaran ngayon sa UAAP. Kapag pinili mo na sundin ang kapricho mo at ng mga kasama mo na ibalik sina Franz, Jack at Tonichi sa La Salle, mawawala ang "godfathers" ng La Salle na sina Danding Cojuangco at Ricky Razon. Saan pupulutin ang La Salle kapag nawala sila at pati na ang malaking bahagi ng mga taga-suporta na ayaw na sa mga Pumaren dahil ibabalik mo sina Franz, Jack at Tonichi? Paano tatapat ang La Salle sa tibay ng pera at makinarya nina Manny Pangilinan ng Ateneo at Henry Sy ng NU kung mawala sina Cojuangco at Razon nang dahil sa inyong palpak na desisyon?

jollibeeaddict
10-01-2011, 07:46 PM
While reading various forums regarding the change of coaching personalilties within the DLSU camp, it has been clear that there are two factions. There are the pro Franz Pumaren faction and the pro Gee Abanilla faction. Is there is a deliberate attempt to destroy the Archers' fan base by pitting one coach against the other ? Mukhang iniintriga ang koponang ito at alam na natin kung sino ang makikinabang.


Sina Bro. Oca lamang po ang kampo na nagpipilit na ibalik si Franz Pumaren. Hindi ko lubos maisip kung anong ipinakain ng angkan ng mga Pumaren sa kanila at ganoon na lamang kalakas ang kapit sa kanila ni Franz na kahit noong "scandal year" ay hindi man lang siya pinarusahan ng mga ito.

Malaking bahagdan ng mga nasa La Salle ay maka-Gee Abanilla. Naniniwala sila na may bagong ihahain sa mesa si Abanilla bukod sa mayroon siyang suporta na mula kina Danding Cojuangco at Ricky Razon. Ito ang grupo na ayaw pakinggan nina Bro. Oca dahil para sa kanila ay walang ibang magaling at "kayang tumapat sa talino ni Norman Black" kundi ang mga miyembro ng angkan ng mga Pumaren.

izon
10-01-2011, 08:16 PM
Are you an insider within the DLSU sports organization ? How do you know that Bro. Oca is forcing Franz Pumaren to return to coaching the Archers ? You seem to know a lot of things. Where did you get this information ?

The_Big_Cat
10-01-2011, 09:41 PM
^maybe from the "champ"? ;D

greyes11
10-02-2011, 04:43 PM
Are you an insider within the DLSU sports organization ? How do you know that Bro. Oca is forcing Franz Pumaren to return to coaching the Archers ? You seem to know a lot of things. Where did you get this information ?


Ben is no insider!

Tommy Vercetti
10-02-2011, 06:06 PM
Are you an insider within the DLSU sports organization ? How do you know that Bro. Oca is forcing Franz Pumaren to return to coaching the Archers ? You seem to know a lot of things. Where did you get this information ?


Ben is no insider!


I guess that guy ain't Ben. How can he even get all of those things when he is just a mere miron, a pseudo-DLSU alumnus? Conspiracy theory? Well, perhaps that might be the case but having heard almost the same thing from my DLSU friends, I couldn't help but wonder if this guy isn't really Ben as alleged.

Well anyway, it's sad that the DLSU faithful is divided over this coaching hullabaloo. Obviously, a lot of the DLSU fans are calling for change but some seem to be afraid to take that one leap of faith that might actually change the fate of the once mighty Green Archers. The UAAP already misses the strong green and white team that used to dominate the league and had its own four-peat during the Ritualo era of the late 1990's to early 2000's. Gone were the days when DLSU had the likes of Ritualo, Allado, Cardona and Casio to bail it out during the most crucial of situations.

Damn! The UAAP is very different without a strong DLSU team. You guys should get your acts together quickly!

bchoter
10-03-2011, 12:59 PM
Nang nasilat ng NU ang La Salle noong 2009, signos na iyon ng pagbagsak ng mga Pumaren at pangangailangan na baguhin ang sistema ngunit hindi ito binigyang pansin nina Bro. Oca. Ngayon na muling nasilat ng NU ang La Salle at nakakapanghinayang ang pagkasayang ng aming mga manlalaro dahil sa laspag na sistema ng mga Pumaren, eto na naman sina Bro. Oca, ipinipilit ang kanilang kapricho kahit na ang kagustuhan ng nakakarami sa La Salle ay tuluyan nang magpalit ng sistema at huwag nang pabalikin pa ang mga Pumaren.



may narinig akong tsismis sa mga nakatabi kong Lasalista kanina. nasa "kanila" na daw si Justin Chua. ???

kung pwede sanang pakiusapan ang mga kasama natin dito at ang mga Lasalista, pwede bang ibalato niyo na lang sa UP si Justin Chua? kailangan namin ng mga malalaki eh. ;D
Gives the phrase "I, me, and myself" a new meaning.

BEN there, done that.

Tommy Vercetti
10-03-2011, 05:40 PM
With all due respect to the people posting here, can we just stay on the topic instead of bashing personalities? This thread was supposed to be about the Green Archers and their current woes, not about Ben or some other shit out there.

It seems that the opinions of a lot of people here, Ben included, focus on one thing: There is really a problem in DLSU and it has to be fixed fast. However, what can this problem be?

Also, I am just wondering why the Pumarens, having been in the coaching business for many years, failed to make the necessary adjustments given the counter-strategies that other teams took, especially those press breaks that were being employed against the once vaunted "Pumaren press", and also failed to exhaust the real potential of their talented players. They should be wise enough to know such things, IMHO.

Joescoundrel
10-04-2011, 09:21 AM
You want a solid coach who can really teach young players the fundamentals and give them the mental toughness to play like real winners?

Two names: JOHN FLORES and GABBY VELASCO.

John Flores won two UAAP championships with the Ateneo Lady Eagles. He did it by teaching and training his team over the several years he was there. His Ladies beat teams with better and stronger natural athletes. He turned Cassandra Tioseco from a one-dimensional shot blocker into arguably the best center in the women's game and an MVP.

Gabby Velasco has won numerous championships in the many years he has been with the St Francis of Assisi Doves. He knows how to get talent and develop and keep talent, such as the De Ocampo brothers, Al Vergara, Rex Leynes and Raymond Ilagan.

John is now with Lasalle Greenhills and has improved that team into the current second-place team in the NCAA Juniors. Gabby is still with St Francis and has Lasalle roots.

easter
10-04-2011, 09:36 AM
Also, I am just wondering why the Pumarens, having been in the coaching business for many years, failed to make the necessary adjustments given the counter-strategies that other teams took, especially those press breaks that were being employed against the once vaunted "Pumaren press", and also failed to exhaust the real potential of their talented players. They should be wise enough to know such things, IMHO.


2 things:

1. The Pumarens felt that the press was still ok and just need some tweaking to counter the press breaks. I think it is obsolete now.

2. The tall players except for Andrada were not a fit for the press break. DLSU wants to run but they were not a running team anymore because of the additional height of the players.

DLSU now has the personnel to matchup with any team. It needs a coach who can maximize the use of his players. In my opinion dito dapat magsimula ang Archers kasi may pieces na sayang naman kung hindi magagamit. Looking at DLSU, it is not a guard oriented team anymore so another guard oriented coach will not do this time.

izon
10-04-2011, 11:49 AM
You want a solid coach who can really teach young players the fundamentals and give them the mental toughness to play like real winners?

Two names: JOHN FLORES and GABBY VELASCO.

John Flores won two UAAP championships with the Ateneo Lady Eagles. He did it by teaching and training his team over the several years he was there. His Ladies beat teams with better and stronger natural athletes. He turned Cassandra Tioseco from a one-dimensional shot blocker into arguably the best center in the women's game and an MVP.

Gabby Velasco has won numerous championships in the many years he has been with the St Francis of Assisi Doves. He knows how to get talent and develop and keep talent, such as the De Ocampo brothers, Al Vergara, Rex Leynes and Raymond Ilagan.

John is now with Lasalle Greenhills and has improved that team into the current second-place team in the NCAA Juniors. Gabby is still with St Francis and has Lasalle roots.

This is a nice info. Hope the powers within the sports orgraganization of DLSU would consider them in a short list of would be coaches.

Tommy Vercetti
10-04-2011, 12:38 PM
I guess this is worth mentioning here now but DLSU has chosen Cholo Villanueva, a member of several champion teams (2001 and 2007, if I am not mistaken) as its interim head coach.


DLSU appoints Cholo Villanueva as Archers' interim head coach (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/234190/sports/dlsu-appoints-cholo-villanueva-as-archers-interim-head-coach)
RENEE FOPALAN, GMA News
10/04/2011 | 11:19 AM


De La Salle University has appointed Cholo Villanueva as interim coach of the DLSU Green Archers.

The University's Office of Sports Development has confirmed via phone call with GMA News Online that Villanueva has been appointed interim coach, pending the school's final head coach announcement.

The news comes two weeks after the resignation of Dindo Pumaren and the rest of the coaching staff. In 2011, the Archers only won 5 out of the 14 games, failing to make it to the final 4 for the second time in four years after two consecutive finals appearances.

Villanueva was a member of the 2001 and 2007 championship teams of the Archers. He was also the co-finals MVP along with Jvee Casio in DLSU's last championship in 2007.

Prior to his appointment, he has been an assistant coach for the DLSU men's and women's basketball teams. He is also the current head coach of DLSU's team B and an assistant coach for the Shopinas Clickers under Franz Pumaren in the PBA.

I wonder what Cholo can offer to DLSU now that he has taken on this crucial role. I am not familiar with his style but I will not be surprised if ever he will opt to implement the same system that his college coach, Franz Pumaren, has.

Also, why should DLSU appoint an interim coach when weeks already passed since the Green Archers were eliminated from Final Four contention? The amount of time that passed should have given the university more than enough time to choose a permanent head coach considering the fact that it will take time for the players to adjust to the new scheme of things.





Also, I am just wondering why the Pumarens, having been in the coaching business for many years, failed to make the necessary adjustments given the counter-strategies that other teams took, especially those press breaks that were being employed against the once vaunted "Pumaren press", and also failed to exhaust the real potential of their talented players. They should be wise enough to know such things, IMHO.


2 things:

1. The Pumarens felt that the press was still ok and just need some tweaking to counter the press breaks. I think it is obsolete now.

2. The tall players except for Andrada were not a fit for the press break. DLSU wants to run but they were not a running team anymore because of the additional height of the players.

DLSU now has the personnel to matchup with any team. It needs a coach who can maximize the use of his players. In my opinion dito dapat magsimula ang Archers kasi may pieces na sayang naman kung hindi magagamit. Looking at DLSU, it is not a guard oriented team anymore so another guard oriented coach will not do this time.


Thank you for the response. I do appreciate it.

I think your point on this is almost akin to what the pro-Gee Abanilla Lasallians and even Ben are raising: The need for a new system that will consider the current scheme of things.

I agree with your opinion regarding the Pumaren system already being an obsolete one. The Pumarens and their believers should have seen such a scenario coming. Through the years, the rest of the UAAP, especially ADMU, tried to find a way to break the Pumaren system and they got it in 2007. It was only from 2008 onwards that opposing teams fully learned to do the press breaks effectively, which ultimately resulted to the failure of DLSU's campaigns in 2009 and this year.

On the area of recruitment, if the Pumarens are thinking of increasing DLSU's size, they should have also modified their system to take advantage of the big men's ability on both offense and defense. Torres and Van Opstal showed a lot of potential for further success. The same can be said with the likes of Mendoza, Gotladera, Paredes and Andrada. These tall Green Archers should have, at least, given the likes of Slaughter, Ramos, Mbe, Manyara and Abdul a run for their own money if only these kids were coached, mentored and developed properly.

mapleleafs
10-04-2011, 09:58 PM
You want a solid coach who can really teach young players the fundamentals and give them the mental toughness to play like real winners?

Two names: JOHN FLORES and GABBY VELASCO.

John Flores won two UAAP championships with the Ateneo Lady Eagles. He did it by teaching and training his team over the several years he was there. His Ladies beat teams with better and stronger natural athletes. He turned Cassandra Tioseco from a one-dimensional shot blocker into arguably the best center in the women's game and an MVP.

Gabby Velasco has won numerous championships in the many years he has been with the St Francis of Assisi Doves. He knows how to get talent and develop and keep talent, such as the De Ocampo brothers, Al Vergara, Rex Leynes and Raymond Ilagan.

John is now with Lasalle Greenhills and has improved that team into the current second-place team in the NCAA Juniors. Gabby is still with St Francis and has Lasalle roots.


Interesting you note Gabby Velasco. Gabby did play for LS years back and was Derek's chief assistant in our first few years in the league. When the ruling prohibiting PBA coaches from coaching collegiate teams came about, Gabby was elevated to head coach for a year where LS finished 3rd, I believe (1992 - FEU, Adamson, LS). He was replaced a year after by Virgil Villavicencio.

jayts
10-05-2011, 03:45 AM
You want a solid coach who can really teach young players the fundamentals and give them the mental toughness to play like real winners?

Two names: JOHN FLORES and GABBY VELASCO.

John Flores won two UAAP championships with the Ateneo Lady Eagles. He did it by teaching and training his team over the several years he was there. His Ladies beat teams with better and stronger natural athletes. He turned Cassandra Tioseco from a one-dimensional shot blocker into arguably the best center in the women's game and an MVP.

Gabby Velasco has won numerous championships in the many years he has been with the St Francis of Assisi Doves. He knows how to get talent and develop and keep talent, such as the De Ocampo brothers, Al Vergara, Rex Leynes and Raymond Ilagan.

John is now with Lasalle Greenhills and has improved that team into the current second-place team in the NCAA Juniors. Gabby is still with St Francis and has Lasalle roots.

This is a nice info. Hope the powers within the sports orgraganization of DLSU would consider them in a short list of would be coaches.



Gabby Velasco was the head coach of DLSU during the 1992 season after serving many years as an assistant to Derek. I believe he left the school to join Derek's coaching staff in the PBA and was replaced by Virgil Villavicencio as mentioned by mapleleafs.

John Flores has completely cleaned up the LSGH basketball program and it not only shows on the basketball court but on his players academics as well. I have heard from fellow alumni that Coach Flores requires his players to report to the library after their classes (LSGH practices are at night) so they can work on their homework and study.

Gabby and John are both capable coaches but i don't think they are considered possible candidates for the new coach of DLSU. There is a short list of candidates but like most of the La Salle community, we do not know what is going on with the process.

Joescoundrel
10-05-2011, 11:49 AM
^ John and Gabby need to be on that short list because those two guys are the best ones - to my mind - who have the patience and the aptitude to teach young players how to play better individually and as a team. Established coaches, especially those coming straight out of the pro ranks, need a couple of years to figure things out, especially on the mentoring and teaching end, precisely because pros usually are ready to play at a high level right away. That is not the case with the Lasalle roster now.

You may also want to look into Perry Ronquillo, Toto Dojillo of De Ocampo, or even Bang Tumapat of PCCr.

Tommy Vercetti
10-05-2011, 01:07 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't DLSU more keen towards having an alumnus coach instead of an insider? The Pumarens, except for the patriarch, Pilo, are Lasallians. Gee Abanilla is a Lasallian. So are Jong Uichico, Ariel Vanguardia, Boris Aldeguer, Perry Ronquillo and Gabby Velasco.

I dunno with the likes of John Flores, Toto Dojillo and Bang Tumapat. I am also thinking of Ato Tolentino as a good coach for the Green Archers although I am not sure if his rough coaching style will suit DLSU well.

cobra bubbles
10-05-2011, 09:36 PM
what about ironcoach? he's from dlsu too.

greenarcher
10-05-2011, 10:41 PM
Ironcoach can't coach. :P

jayts
10-06-2011, 02:17 AM
Another person that i would love to be considered is Binky Favis. He has deep La Salle roots and played for DLSUfor two years before transferring to UST. I believe his style of coaching is suited well for the college level.

mapleleafs
10-06-2011, 04:36 AM
Another person that i would love to be considered is Binky Favis. He has deep La Salle roots and played for DLSUfor two years before transferring to UST. I believe his style of coaching is suited well for the college level.


In my view, Binky Favis and Dong Vergiere were the brains behind the UST 4 peat. They were both assts to Aric and during coaching huddles, they would be seen drawing the Xs and Os. Aric, though, was the emotional leader everyone followed.

Too many rumors going around. Adding names to that "shorlist" may not be good at this point. A band-aid solution was already done by naming an interim coach. To get the recruitment game going, they have to name the new head coach at the soonest time possible. Recruitment starts right after the season ends and without a head coach, we wont look that attractive.

izon
10-06-2011, 07:17 AM
Saw Franz Pumaren coaching Shopinas yesterday. All posts insinuating that Bro. Oca is behind making Franz go back to DLSU to coach is a lot of crap.

Tommy Vercetti
10-06-2011, 08:54 AM
Saw Franz Pumaren coaching Shopinas yesterday. All posts insinuating that Bro. Oca is behind making Franz go back to DLSU to coach is a lot of crap.


How long will Franz's contract with Shopinas be? Will it be only on a per conference basis?



In my view, Binky Favis and Dong Vergiere were the brains behind the UST 4 peat. They were both assts to Aric and during coaching huddles, they would be seen drawing the Xs and Os. Aric, though, was the emotional leader everyone followed.

Too many rumors going around. Adding names to that "shorlist" may not be good at this point. A band-aid solution was already done by naming an interim coach. To get the recruitment game going, they have to name the new head coach at the soonest time possible. Recruitment starts right after the season ends and without a head coach, we wont look that attractive.


This is one thing that DLSU supporters must realize. The greens will be better off having a permanent head coach at this point in time. IMHO, DLSU will be hurt more by the decision to have an interim coach compared to having a permanent head coach.

izon
10-06-2011, 11:38 AM
[quote=izon ]
Saw Franz Pumaren coaching Shopinas yesterday. All posts insinuating that Bro. Oca is behind making Franz go back to DLSU to coach is a lot of crap.


How long will Franz's contract with Shopinas be? Will it be only on a per conference basis?



In my view, Binky Favis and Dong Vergiere were the brains behind the UST 4 peat. They were both assts to Aric and during coaching huddles, they would be seen drawing the Xs and Os. Aric, though, was the emotional leader everyone followed.

Too many rumors going around. Adding names to that "shorlist" may not be good at this point. A band-aid solution was already done by naming an interim coach. To get the recruitment game going, they have to name the new head coach at the soonest time possible. Recruitment starts right after the season ends and without a head coach, we wont look that attractive.
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This is one thing that DLSU supporters must realize. The greens will be better off having a permanent head coach at this point in time. IMHO, DLSU will be hurt more by the decision to have an interim coach compared to having a permanent head coach.

You mean to say Franz chances of going back to La Salle appears certain ?

Joescoundrel
10-06-2011, 01:35 PM
Lack of a fulltime coach hurts the other important aspect of UAAP success, recruitment. A team without a fulltime coach is not a team that a top-flight recruit will find attractive. An interim coach is not going to cut it, especially if it is a very young, and (no pun intended) very green interim coach.

Speculating on the short list isn't helping, true. But after all the buzz that Gee Abanilla would finally get the job, and then Abanilla himself saying he hasn't (isn't taking...?) taken it, well, I don't know about that. There is no lack of Lasalle alumni who are qualified for the job and passionate about lasalle basketball. However, I'm not sure what it says about the program if apparently no one is inclined to take the job.

bchoter
10-06-2011, 02:17 PM
How true na nagaantay nalang daw ng basbas ni Boss Danding? So that means the boss is back...

LION
10-06-2011, 02:30 PM
Perhaps what makes coaching DLSU less appealing right now is the way Coach Dindo Pumaren was publicly crucified by the De La Salle community went things started falling apart as if he is entirely to be blamed for the DLSU debacle this season.

Whoever will be the candidate will surely think twice before accepting the job. What if he fails to turnaround the performance of the team? Will he suffer the same fate? Will he be crucified and humiliated like Dindo?

Tommy Vercetti
10-06-2011, 05:06 PM
Perhaps what makes coaching DLSU less appealing right now is the way Coach Dindo Pumaren was publicly crucified by the De La Salle community went things started falling apart as if he is entirely to be blamed for the DLSU debacle this season.

Whoever will be the candidate will surely think twice before accepting the job. What if he fails to turnaround the performance of the team? Will he suffer the same fate? Will he be crucified and humiliated like Dindo?



I guess we can't blame the Lasallians for doing that. They are a people so used to winning throughout the years. The turn of events dating back to 2009 was something that they are quite unfamiliar with.

izon
10-06-2011, 05:42 PM
We'll be back.

james_hunt
10-06-2011, 06:20 PM
Lack of a fulltime coach hurts the other important aspect of UAAP success, recruitment. A team without a fulltime coach is not a team that a top-flight recruit will find attractive. An interim coach is not going to cut it, especially if it is a very young, and (no pun intended) very green interim coach.

Speculating on the short list isn't helping, true. But after all the buzz that Gee Abanilla would finally get the job, and then Abanilla himself saying he hasn't (isn't taking...?) taken it, well, I don't know about that. There is no lack of Lasalle alumni who are qualified for the job and passionate about lasalle basketball. However, I'm not sure what it says about the program if apparently no one is inclined to take the job.


Joe, it's not that no one is inclined to take the job, but rather, no one has been "asked" yet. The school admin is still deliberating on who to choose as head coach of the MBT and hopefully they come up with a decision soon.

james_hunt
10-06-2011, 06:21 PM
How true na nagaantay nalang daw ng basbas ni Boss Danding? So that means the boss is back...


oo naman!

james_hunt
10-06-2011, 06:25 PM
Perhaps what makes coaching DLSU less appealing right now is the way Coach Dindo Pumaren was publicly crucified by the De La Salle community went things started falling apart as if he is entirely to be blamed for the DLSU debacle this season.

Whoever will be the candidate will surely think twice before accepting the job. What if he fails to turnaround the performance of the team? Will he suffer the same fate? Will he be crucified and humiliated like Dindo?



Less appealing, really?

I don't think so. :)

james_hunt
10-06-2011, 06:27 PM
Saw Franz Pumaren coaching Shopinas yesterday. All posts insinuating that Bro. Oca is behind making Franz go back to DLSU to coach is a lot of crap.


Guess you aint seen real crap yet. :)

Joescoundrel
10-07-2011, 01:49 PM
^ Tagal nawala nitong si Kasamang James, buti naman nagparamdam na ulit.

I still have not yet spoken to your classmate about his vote before the season opened. I have a feeling though that he was just following orders from his official boss. Anyway, I hope we can have some drinks soon. One of our buddies won't be drinking anytime soon, I'll tell you why kapag nagkita na ulit tayo.

LION
10-07-2011, 04:50 PM
Perhaps what makes coaching DLSU less appealing right now is the way Coach Dindo Pumaren was publicly crucified by the De La Salle community went things started falling apart as if he is entirely to be blamed for the DLSU debacle this season.

Whoever will be the candidate will surely think twice before accepting the job. What if he fails to turnaround the performance of the team? Will he suffer the same fate? Will he be crucified and humiliated like Dindo?



Less appealing, really?

I don't think so. :)


Just a "perhaps" my friend. I'd be delighted if La Salle finds a very good replacement soon.

james_hunt
10-07-2011, 07:03 PM
^ Lion, there are actually quite a few who are interested. Problem is 'admin' is looking at just one. :)

james_hunt
10-07-2011, 07:09 PM
^ Tagal nawala nitong si Kasamang James, buti naman nagparamdam na ulit.

I still have not yet spoken to your classmate about his vote before the season opened. I have a feeling though that he was just following orders from his official boss. Anyway, I hope we can have some drinks soon. One of our buddies won't be drinking anytime soon, I'll tell you why kapag nagkita na ulit tayo.


Congrats nga pala Joe! Yeah he was just following orders from the emperor. :)

BedanRoar
10-07-2011, 07:11 PM
I agree..there should only be one coach :-* ;D

shyboy
10-08-2011, 06:38 AM
Lack of a fulltime coach hurts the other important aspect of UAAP success, recruitment. A team without a fulltime coach is not a team that a top-flight recruit will find attractive. An interim coach is not going to cut it, especially if it is a very young, and (no pun intended) very green interim coach.

Speculating on the short list isn't helping, true. But after all the buzz that Gee Abanilla would finally get the job, and then Abanilla himself saying he hasn't (isn't taking...?) taken it, well, I don't know about that. There is no lack of Lasalle alumni who are qualified for the job and passionate about lasalle basketball. However, I'm not sure what it says about the program if apparently no one is inclined to take the job.

I think Cholo's main task is to keep the kids in shape and maybe improve on their individual skills while waiting for the official coach to come in. Once the new coach reports for work, practice is gonna be nasty from day one.

maroonmartian
10-08-2011, 06:53 AM
^Motivation na rin siguro sa mga players and sharing the experience of winning the championship.Hope they join the PCCL to see some changes.

Pero tingin ko rin na si Franz gusto magbago ng sistema (like developing big men like Andrada, Villanueva,Torres). Kaya lang hindi naging maganda ang transition. Brother Dindo is the sacrifical lamb for his blunders. ;D

james_hunt
10-08-2011, 06:19 PM
I agree..there should only be one coach :-* ;D


What a genius! Clap clap :D

Tommy Vercetti
10-20-2011, 07:35 PM
DLSU already reaches a decision: Gelacio "Gee" Abanilla will be the new mentor of the Green Archers


La Salle set to name Gee Abanilla head coach (http://sports.inquirer.net/21135/la-salle-set-to-name-gee-abanilla-head-coach)
By Jasmine W. Payo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
10:10 pm | Thursday, October 20th, 2011

NHA TRANG, Vietnam—La Salle is set to turn over its senior basketball program to Gelacio “Gee” Abanilla as its head coach after over a decade with the Pumaren coaching brothers.

The appointment of Abanilla, an assistant coach of the Petron Blaze in the PBA, will be formally announced next week in a gathering of top school officials and team godfathers led by tycoon Danding Cojuangco, team sources said.

The Inquirer had earlier reported that Abanilla, a former playmaker for the Green Archers in the ’90s, had emerged as the frontrunner following the resignation of coach Dindo Pumaren last month.

Abanilla isn’t new to the La Salle bench as he also served as an assistant to Pumaren’s older brother Franz, who steered the Archers to five UAAP championships in 12 seasons starting in 1998.

Dindo took over in the last two years, but the Archers surprisingly struggled last season, finishing sixth place with a 5-9 win-loss record.

Derrick, the eldest of the Pumaren brothers, also called the shots for La Salle from 1986 to 1991, which was highlighted by title romps in 1989 and 1990.

Abanilla had been around the varsity scene, also mentoring La Salle’s sister team, St. Benilde, in the NCAA in 2008.

He also served as deputy coach for several PBA teams, including the Barako Bull and FedEx.

Joescoundrel
10-21-2011, 08:42 AM
Is it true that only Joseph Marata is the only current Green Archer who was given clearance to play in the D League for this conference...?

What about Oda Tampus and Papot Paredes? These two were trying out with a couple of D League squads.

james_hunt
10-21-2011, 08:12 PM
Is it true that only Joseph Marata is the only current Green Archer who was given clearance to play in the D League for this conference...?

What about Oda Tampus and Papot Paredes? These two were trying out with a couple of D League squads.


Almond was also supposed to play but opted to concentrate on his studies just like Oda and Papot. Marata didn't ask permission from the school.

Joescoundrel
10-24-2011, 11:35 AM
^ Pareng James, I take it that will merit some form of disciplinary action by the team against Joseph Marata?

I also read that both Lasalle and NU are vying for PCCL Sweet 16 slots in the Metro Manila elims this November.

james_hunt
10-24-2011, 05:33 PM
^ Pareng James, I take it that will merit some form of disciplinary action by the team against Joseph Marata?

I also read that both Lasalle and NU are vying for PCCL Sweet 16 slots in the Metro Manila elims this November.


If it was up to me, Marata should be taught a lesson. 'Di pwede matigas ang ulo ngayon padre, madaming kapalit! :)

We'll know tomorrow about plans for the PCCL-- if it was up to me again, LSGH nalang papalaruin ko hehe

bigfreeze_bibby
10-25-2011, 10:52 AM
^ Pareng James, I take it that will merit some form of disciplinary action by the team against Joseph Marata?

I also read that both Lasalle and NU are vying for PCCL Sweet 16 slots in the Metro Manila elims this November.


If it was up to me, Marata should be taught a lesson. 'Di pwede matigas ang ulo ngayon padre, madaming kapalit! :)
We'll know tomorrow about plans for the PCCL-- if it was up to me again, LSGH nalang papalaruin ko hehe


Yan ang mabibigat na linya dyan hehe. Hindi puede pumetiks at baka kung saan ka pulutin hehe.

oca
10-25-2011, 11:36 AM
Transfered post to appropriate thread. ;D ;D ;D

The_Big_Cat
10-25-2011, 01:50 PM
^Oca parang nagkamali ka ng thread. ;D

Joescoundrel
10-25-2011, 03:00 PM
Bigfreeze, James, itoma na lang natin 'yan... taya si Marata at kumikita na siya... ;D

Tommy Vercetti
10-25-2011, 04:45 PM
Wishing Gee Abanilla the best of luck. Hopefully, he will have the best people to serve in his coaching staff.

james_hunt
10-25-2011, 08:06 PM
^Oca parang nagkamali ka ng thread. ;D


Ok lang si Oca pa. No problem :)

Naka chamba lang naman ang Green Hills talaga eh.

Sana maka chamba ng dalawang beses pa. ;)

oca
10-25-2011, 10:48 PM
^Oca parang nagkamali ka ng thread. ;D


;D Nilipat ko na po.

BedanRoar
10-26-2011, 07:55 AM
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/10/25/11/gee-abanilla-formally-named-dlsu-head-coach


Gee Abanilla formally named DLSU head coach

abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 10/25/2011 8:04 PM | Updated as of 10/26/2011 7:25 AM


MANILA, Philippines - De La Salle University has officially announced the appointment of Gee Abanilla as the new head coach of the De La Salle Green Archers.

La Salle sports blog Go Archers confirmed that Abanilla has been hired as the head coach, with long-time PBA coach Jong Uichico as a team consultant.

Abanilla was a member of the Green Archers' back-to-back championship teams in 1989 and 1990 and became an assistant coach in La Salle under Franz Pumaren.

He will replace Dindo Pumaren, who resigned last month after the Green Archers sputtered to a 6th place finish in the UAAP Season 74.

InboundPass columnist Mike Abasolo said Abanilla will be a "welcome change" for the Green Archers.

"Gee will have big shoes to fill. He's filling in a legacy that has been glorified, the Pumaren family," Abasolo said in an interview with ANC's Top Story.

"I'm not saying Gee Abanilla is not a capable coach. He's been around, he's an excellent assistant. With the College of St. Benilde Blazers in the NCAA, he really performed well," Abasolo said.

Abanilla will most likely install major changes in the La Salle basketball system, which has been playing under the Pumaren style for several years now.

With Abanilla at the helm, the Green Archers will still be a defensive team but will no longer run the full-court pressure defense that has been their trademark.

"This will be a major change for the Green Archers," Abasolo said. "You will see a more different approach."

Abasolo acknowledged that La Salle may experience some difficulty as they will have to learn Abanilla's system of play, but "positive effects" can be expected from the team during next month's Philippine Collegiate Championship League. -- With a report from ANC

Joescoundrel
11-02-2011, 11:03 AM
Basta hindi Finals or Bust, I think kaya naman ni Coach Gee... tama ba Pareng James...?

james_hunt
11-02-2011, 05:45 PM
Basta hindi Finals or Bust, I think kaya naman ni Coach Gee... tama ba Pareng James...?


Kaya naman Pards. We're keeping our expectations tempered despite the overwhelming support of Amb. Cojuangco. All the excitement from our Alumni is more on the 'change' that's happening and the entry of Ecj....ang Sarap Mag Beer! ;)

Joescoundrel
11-08-2011, 07:15 AM
I got this from the guys at Arena mismo, akala ko hindi kayo sasali ng PCCL, Pareng James...? - - -

November 9 (Wednesday) - San Juan Arena

2:00 PM Centro Escolar University vs. Saint Francis of Assisi College
4:00 PM De La Salle University vs. Mapua Institute of Technology

james_hunt
11-08-2011, 01:24 PM
I got this from the guys at Arena mismo, akala ko hindi kayo sasali ng PCCL, Pareng James...? - - -

November 9 (Wednesday) - San Juan Arena

2:00 PM Centro Escolar University vs. Saint Francis of Assisi College
4:00 PM De La Salle University vs. Mapua Institute of Technology


Committed na daw according to Br. Bernie. Hehe. We'll play with a depleted line-up with Tyrone calling the shots since he's the one familiar with the 'old' system. 'Di pa sanay mga bata sa sistema ni Gee.

Tommy Vercetti
11-09-2011, 05:56 PM
This just in: Tyrone Bautista-coached (with Gee Abanilla and Danding Cojuangco watching) La Salle beats Mapua, 54-51, in today's PCCL games. La Salle to meet CEU tomorrow to gain entry in the Sweet 16.

bigfreeze_bibby
11-09-2011, 07:24 PM
The final score that I got was 56-51.

maroonmartian
11-09-2011, 09:33 PM
DLSU defeated MIT 56-51
Quarterscoring: 11-15, 23-28, 44-41, 56-51
Scorebox: Vosotros 12, Webb 10, Paredes 10, De la Paz 9, Revilla 7, Torres 6, Mendoza 2

Mendoza was kicked out of the ball game for two unsportsmanlike fouls. Vosotros, Paredes and De la Paz waxed hot in the second half to snatch the lead from Mapua.

Danding Cojuangco did watched. Not in the bench where Sam Marata and Arnold Van Opstal but they are in the Arena watching.

Tommy Vercetti
11-09-2011, 10:09 PM
The final score that I got was 56-51.


Thank you. Got the correction too. It was indeed 56-51.

Correct me if I'm wrong but did La Salle had Revilla, Vosotros, Dela Paz, Webb and Paredes as 2nd half starters? If yes, that was one "tiny" starting five! :o

maroonmartian
11-10-2011, 07:33 AM
The final score that I got was 56-51.


Thank you. Got the correction too. It was indeed 56-51.

Correct me if I'm wrong but did La Salle had Revilla, Vosotros, Dela Paz, Webb and Paredes as 2nd half starters? If yes, that was one "tiny" starting five! :o


Starting: Revilla, De la Paz, Webb, Mendoza, Torres

They did employ a "small" lineup somewhere in the second half. Vosotros, Sara, De la Paz, Webb (at PF) and Torres. The loss of Mendoza might forced the staff to use the small lineu-up.

Sam Miguel
11-10-2011, 08:09 AM
C/o Joey Villar of the Star ___

Archers keep bid for Sweet 16

La Salle shut down Mapua in the last four minutes to fashion out a come-from-behind 56-51 victory yesterday and keep its Sweet 16 hopes alive in the Metro Manila qualifying round of the Philippine Collegiate Champions League at The Arena in San Juan City.

Luigi dela Paz led the Archers with 11 points while Almond Vosotros and Joshua Webb chipped in 10 points apiece while Philip Paredes added eight markers, the last two off an assist by Jarelan Tampus that gave the Archers the lead for good.

“We have less than a week to prepare and we have only 11 players to work on,” said new La Salle mentor Gee Abanilla, who opted to sit on the sidelines and give the coaching chores to assistant Tyrone Bautista.

“We’re actually using this tournament as an assessment period, we hope to build on this win,” said Abanilla.

Jong Uichico, La Salle’s consultant, however, was more blunt on his assessment of the re-building Archers.

“Not so good,” said Uichico.

The Archers seek to qualify for the Sweet 16 starting on Nov. 19 with a victory over the Centro-Escolar U Scorpions, the men’s National Collegiate Athletic Association champions, at resumption of the elims today.

The Scorpions earlier downed the St. Francis of Assisi Doves, 68-50.

The other knockout match today pits the National U Bulldos, who trounced the Lyceum Pirates, 84-74, Tuesday, and the University of Manila Hawks, who hurdled the TIP Engineers, 78-69.

It was a sorry loss for the Cardinals, who dominated the first half with a solid interior defense and even led at 28-23 at the break.

But the Archers, who lost Jovit Mendoza in the first half due to a pair of flagrant fouls, re-grouped at resumption of the contest, hitting their outside shots to offset Mapua’s zone defense.

La Salle then poured it all out in the final four minutes, scoring five points while holding the Cardinals scoreless to break a 51-all count for the victory.

Mapua Fil-Palestinian rookie Yousef Taha had a game-high 18 points but was shut down in the stretch along with the rest of the Cardinals.

Tommy Vercetti
11-10-2011, 06:20 PM
This just in: La Salle defeated CEU, 79-51. Green Archers will advance to the Sweet 16 stage.

bigfreeze_bibby
11-10-2011, 06:43 PM
The Archers' next opponent in the PCCL is against University of Northern Philippines (Vigan) on November 19, 2011 at 2pm in the FilOil Arena in San Juan. I am not sure if the game will be televised.

The Archers are bracketed (in order of next and upcoming opponents) with JRU, Adamson, San Sebastian, and San Beda.

I honestly don't like the format in this year's competition.

oca
11-17-2011, 07:37 AM
Napanood ko ang 2 laro ng Archers sa PCCL Metro Manila qualifying. With Limpot as the big man coach, kita na agad ang pagbabago.

Most obvious, di na tumitira ng tres si Torres. Ni isang beses di ito bumitaw mula sa labas, kahit mid-range wala.

At yung rotation nila Torres, Paredes at Gotladera pag may humatak ng offensive rebound, maganda na ang galaw for the put back. At pag tumanggap ng bola sa shaded area, nandun yung intent na "go strong to the basket". Though mukhang may play sila para kay Paredes na tumira mula sa gawing ibabaw ng shaded area malapit sa guhit ng free throw line. Dalawa sa tatlong ito ang madalas sa loob. Di gaano mataas playing time ni Mendoza dahil may isang laro na na-eject at palagay ko ay sadyang binababad sina Torres, Paredes at Gotladera para mabuo ang kumpyansa. Kung si Yturri ba naman ang dating mong skills coach....

Hindi pa pulido ang mga galaw, pero di na tulad nung panahon ni Yturri na alahoy ang mga tira ng big man.

Maganda na rin ang palitan ng tao sa pg spot. Sila Revilla, Vosotros at Sara ang ginamit sa nasabing 2 laro. Tumaas playing time ni Sara, at napagsasabay ang 2 sa tatlo sa maraming pagkakataon. Kaya pag nandun din sa loob si Tampus o dela Paz, 3 guardia ang nasa loob at mababa ang line-up. Pero small line up man, nasa systema pa rin naman yan. Hintayin na lang kung paano nila lalaruin ang small line-up.

Pero ang nakita kong pinakamagandang pagbabago ay yung "positive approach" ng mga coaches sa pag motivate ng player. Franz and Yturri are bitches when they try to bring out something from their players. Sigawan o pandilatan, namumura pa nga kung minsan. Kulang na lang kalmutin. This set of coaches have so far showed the opposite.

But I can see some problems when they finalize their line-ups next UAAP season. Mukhang magkakaroon ng overload ng guards.

Tallo ang the young Pumaren are said to be shoo-ins. Given the number of PGs and dos among the holdovers, mukhang patuloy na magiging security agency ang profile ng line-up ng Archers.

Pero sa miron na tulad ko, magandang abangan paano sila magpapanalo sa ganoong line-up.


http://www.collegiatechampionsleague.net/IMAGES/CCL11_SW16R1.jpg

fujima04
11-19-2011, 06:24 PM
Since walang DLSU thread for this year's PCCL, dito ko na lang lagay ang update.

DLSU defeated University of Batangas, 78-55.

keeper24
11-21-2011, 04:40 AM
Tallo ang the young Pumaren are said to be shoo-ins. Given the number of PGs and dos among the holdovers, mukhang patuloy na magiging security agency ang profile ng line-up ng Archers.

Pero sa miron na tulad ko, magandang abangan paano sila magpapanalo sa ganoong line-up.




No sure ins at moment for next year! its true that Tallo may have some edge but the whole lineup will be up for analysis especially with the heavy recruitment expected from DLSU.

oca
11-21-2011, 06:02 AM
Tallo ang the young Pumaren are said to be shoo-ins. Given the number of PGs and dos among the holdovers, mukhang patuloy na magiging security agency ang profile ng line-up ng Archers.

Pero sa miron na tulad ko, magandang abangan paano sila magpapanalo sa ganoong line-up.




No sure ins at moment for next year! its true that Tallo may have some edge but the whole lineup will be up for analysis especially with the heavy recruitment expected from DLSU.



Tallo not guaranteed a Team A spot? Bakit pa nya ginusto ang DLSU kung di rin siguradong Team A siya?

Having seen DLSU Team B in the last FMC, si Reyes lang ng Team A ang kakabahang mapalitan. Ngayon, kung may magaling na graduating high school standout na pwedeng i-line-up sa Team A, ang kailangan ng DLSU ay yung para sa 3 or 4 na matangkad at may magandang kamay sa labas. This hs graduating class doesn't have that player.

Pag di Team A si Tallo, malamang aalis uli yan. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tommy Vercetti
11-21-2011, 07:55 PM
At PCCL today, DLSU def. UST, 72-67.

bchoter
11-22-2011, 01:53 AM
Congratulations to DLSU for advancing to the next round of the PCCL. From the on-line updates, see,s like the Archers did a great job fighting off the Tigers and hang on for the win. Again, UST showed how fragile they are minus Abdul.

Joescoundrel
11-22-2011, 07:16 AM
From the PCCL c/o Inquirer - - -

La Salle Green Archers, JRU Heavy Bombers gain PCCL final eight

Joshua Webb sustained his strong play as La Salle upset University of Santo Tomas, 72-67, Monday in the stepladder Sweet 16 round of the Philippine Collegiate Champions League at the FilOil-Flying V Arena in San Juan.

Webb, who topscored for La Salle with 15 points in his last outing, took charge anew by drilling half of his 16 points in a pivotal run that gave the Archers their first double-digit lead, 64-54, in the second half.

“What we’re trying to do is maximize the strength of the team,” said new La Salle coach Gee Abanilla after ousting the Tigers, a semifinalist in the last UAAP wars.

John Lopez and Nate Matute delivered in the clutch as Jose Rizal University ended National University’s run with a 66-62 decision in the first of the knockout doubleheader.
Lopez drained six of his 10 points in the final quarter, including two buffer free throws with just 1.2 seconds left.

La Salle takes on NCAA powerhouse Letran next at 3:30 p.m. today after JRU tangles with Adamson, another UAAP semifinalist, at 1:30 also in San Juan.

Almond Vosotros had 13 points, six rebounds and four assists, while Luigi dela Paz added 12 markers for the Archers. Joseph Marata also found his shooting touch, firing all but one of his 10 points from three-point range.

“I’ve seen a lot of improvement and I just hope we’ll continue on improving,” said Abanilla. “We’ve got a long way to go since right now we’re just starting. But we’re happy about it. The boys are really aggressive.”

John Villarias and Jeckster Apinan delivered similar outputs of eight points and nine rebounds for the Bombers.

“We had lapses in defense,” said JRU coach Vergel Meneses. “NU is a quick and disciplined team, [but eventually] we were were able to contain their fastbreaks.”

The scores:

First Game
JRU 66—Lopez 10, Villarias 8, Apinan 8, Montemayor 7, Monserat 7, Matute 7, Kabigting 7, Almario 6, Carampil 4, Paniamogan 2, Mendoza 0.
NATIONAL U 62—Mbe 13, Javillonar 12, Villamor 8, Labing-isa 8, Roño 5, Singh 4, Alolino 4, Neypes 3, Khobuntin 3, Celda 2.
Quarters: 14-11, 32-26, 51-45, 66-62

Second Game
LA SALLE 72—Webb 16, Vosotros 13, Dela Paz 12, Marata 10, Revilla 8, Torres 7, Tampus 2, Paredes 2, Mendoza 2, Gotladera 0, Sara 0.
UST 67—Ferrer 23, Vigil 9, Lo 9, Sheriff 6, Afuang 6, Abdul 5, Camus 5, Javier 2, Pe 2, Tan 0, Lao 0, Umaria 0.

emenk
11-22-2011, 08:54 AM
Congratulations to DLSU for advancing to the next round of the PCCL. From the on-line updates, see,s like the Archers did a great job fighting off the Tigers and hang on for the win. Again, UST showed how fragile they are minus Abdul.


sir, Karim Abdul played, UST played
without the two Jerics. DLSU played without Atkins, Maui, Yutien
and AVO.

bchoter
11-22-2011, 12:28 PM
Abdul was, according to updates, saddled with foul trouble and eventually fouled out. I think that was a bigger reason for the loss over the absence of the Jerics. I'm not offering excuses.

maroonmartian
11-22-2011, 04:20 PM
Congratulations to DLSU for advancing to the next round of the PCCL. From the on-line updates, see,s like the Archers did a great job fighting off the Tigers and hang on for the win. Again, UST showed how fragile they are minus Abdul.


sir, Karim Abdul played, UST played
without the two Jerics. DLSU played without Atkins, Maui, Yutien
and AVO.


Atkins and Maui have graduated for DLSU.
Yutien and AVO are injured.
Nice to see Sam Marata played. Wala siya noong MIT game.Pagod siguro sa PBA D-League.

Tommy Vercetti
11-22-2011, 05:26 PM
PCCL: Letran def. La Salle, 66-61.

maroonmartian
11-23-2011, 07:00 AM
http://sports.inquirer.net/26389/adamson-ousts-jru-letran-gives-la-salle-the-boot
Adamson ousts JRU; Letran gives La Salle the boot
By Jasmine W. Payo

..."Letran also sent the spunky La Salle packing as the quartet of Mark Cruz, Kevin Alas, Kevin Racal and Raymond Almazan powered the Knights to a 66-61 victory in the second game.

Alas drilled 14 points, the last on a key layup with 80 seconds left after the Archers cut down their 61-50 advantage to just a basket, 61-59.

Racal shared scoring honors with 14, while Cruz unloaded all of his 11 points in the second half.
Dominating the paint anew, Almazan posted a remarkable 17 rebounds and seven blocks to go with his 10 markers.
“Our rebounding keyed the win and we were also able to stop their (Archers) transition,” said Letran coach Louie Alas."

Second Game
LETRAN 66—Racal 14, Alas K. 14, Cruz 11, Almazan 10, Cortes 6, Lituania 5, Gabawan 2, Espiritu 2, Pantin 2, Belorio 0, Alas J. 0.
LA SALLE 61—Torres 16, Mendoza 9, Vosotros 8, Revilla 8, Tampus 6, Webb 6, Marata 4, Paredes 3, Gotladera 1.
Quarters: 13-15, 25-29, 47-42, 66-61

Joescoundrel
11-23-2011, 09:22 AM
From the PCCL Media Center c/o Philstar - - -

Falcons seal showdown versus Stags

Caught up in a tight playing schedule, Adamson University flexed just enough muscle to whip Jose Rizal, 73-58, and advance into the next phase in the Philippine Collegiate Champions League (PCCL) Sweet 16 stepladder knockout playoffs at The Arena in San Juan yesterday.

Kenyan center Austin Manyara unloaded seven points in a 17-4 fourth-quarter run that all but sealed it for the Falcons, whose coach and key players had to rush to the AdU gym immediately after the game to join Freego Jeans in the PBA D-League.

“We’re happy we won considering some of the players were thinking about our game for Freego, which was just one hour away. We were down in the first half and I told my players to concentrate on this game (PCCL) because this is our priority, student (league) first before commercial (league),” said Austria.

The Adamson and Freego mentor, in fact, sent Lester Alvarez, who suffered a toe injury in the first half, Roider Cabrera and Rodney Brondial to the Falcons’ gym ahead of the others.

Manyara (16 points, nine rebounds), Janus Lozada (14 points, 11 rebounds, five assists) and Eric Camson (seven points, 13 rebounds) finished the match and followed suit, as did the JRU players in the Freego lineup, Jeckster Apinan (17 markers) and John Lopez (four points, 10 rebounds).

The Falcons forged a duel with NCAA runner-up San Sebastian tomorrow, facing the same predicament of another game set in the D-League.

The Bombers actually stormed ahead to 20-15 against a Falcons team that’s apparently conserving energy for their next assignment of the day.

In the second game, Letran nipped La Salle, 66-61, to advance against UAAP Season 74 runner-up Far Eastern.

Kevin Alas drilled in 14 points, including a clutch basket that gave the Knights a 63-59 cushion going to the last 1:22, in his valedictory before leaving for the US for a month-long training with American Basketball Association team LA Slam.

Raymond Almazan dished off a near-triple-double with 10 points, 17 rebounds and seven blocks to complement Alas and the 14 points of Kevin Racal and 11 of Mark Cruz.

“This is a bonus win for us because we haven’t really been training together. Our practice is in conflict with that of the players’ D-League teams and as I promised them after the NCAA, I won’t force them to practice with Letran,” said Knights coach Louie Alas, who will also be gone for a month to be with Kevin and the family in the US.

Sam Miguel
11-23-2011, 02:06 PM
For volleyball fans, the tournament starts this Saturday 26 November at the Fil Oil Arena in San Juan.

For the men:

9:00 - FEU v Lasalle
10:30 - Adamson v NU

For the women:

2:00 - NU v UP
3:30 - UST v Ateneo

And this is for November 27, Sunday also at Arena.

For the men:

9:00 - Ateneo v UE
10:30 - UP v UST

For the women:

2:00 - FEU v UE
3:30 - Lasalle v Adamson

easter
11-23-2011, 07:10 PM
Just briefly watched the PCCL game of DLSU and UST. It seems that the team isn't using the Pumaren Press anymore.

arkuo14
11-24-2011, 01:12 AM
Just briefly watched the PCCL game of DLSU and UST. It seems that the team isn't using the Pumaren Press anymore.


Interesting. I'm just going out on a limb here, but maybe it's because a Pumaren isn't at the helm anymore. But that's just my wild guess.

easter
11-24-2011, 06:25 AM
^ Well they put Tyrone Bautista as assistant coach since he knows the system so I thought there would still be some semblance of the press still in the PCCL while the Archers. Another observation is how Webb and Torres are more comfortable without the press. They contribute more and are more confident out there.

fujima04
11-24-2011, 02:02 PM
One noticeable improvement on Torres is that he no longer plays from the outside. He is now imposing himself inside which he should've done last season consdering his height and heft.

It is a good thing that DLSU already realised that this early on Torres' UAAP career. He'll definitely be a monster inside if he'll be able to make it his comfort zone.

bchoter
11-24-2011, 02:08 PM
^ Then please bring Yturri back! I prefer the "old" Torres

Tommy Vercetti
11-24-2011, 06:59 PM
Watched the DLSU-UST game on TV and it seems to me that DLSU's big men improved but there is a need for them to improve on their shooting. They do not have that much outside shooting threat unlike before.

james_hunt
11-24-2011, 09:35 PM
Watched the DLSU-UST game on TV and it seems to me that DLSU's big men improved but there is a need for them to improve on their shooting. They do not have that much outside shooting threat unlike before.


Baby steps... We'll get there. Relax, Chill and enjoy the ride. :)

Tommy Vercetti
11-25-2011, 03:25 AM
Watched the DLSU-UST game on TV and it seems to me that DLSU's big men improved but there is a need for them to improve on their shooting. They do not have that much outside shooting threat unlike before.


Baby steps... We'll get there. Relax, Chill and enjoy the ride. :)


That's good to know. At least, the exposure that DLSU got via the PCCL gave Gee Abanilla and company lots of ideas on how to tweak the team. Perhaps letting the Archers play in competitions such as the D-League will help them further when it comes to improving both individual skills and team chemistry.

maroonmartian
11-25-2011, 06:04 AM
Watched the DLSU-UST game on TV and it seems to me that DLSU's big men improved but there is a need for them to improve on their shooting. They do not have that much outside shooting threat unlike before.

Yung game nila sa PCCL vs MIT was a great game for Paredes and De la Paz (injured pala) in terms of shooting. I think outside shooting is what DLSU lost in recent years. Dami factors pero tingin ko sa confidence na lang yan.

Relax na lang dapat. Treat the PCCL game as Abanilla's "baptism of fire". Chill na lang DLSU.

Jun Limpot will teach the big men of DLSU (by all means he is big man with a great shooting touch).

Tyrone Bautista will teach the guards/

Just my opinion.

Bruticus
12-25-2011, 06:09 PM
A Merry, merry Christmas to all. Hoping for a better showing in 2012.

ANIMO LA SALLE!

youngdude
01-13-2012, 04:09 PM
Jeron Teng to play for La Salle
January 13, 2012 12:56pm
from GMA News

Highly-touted high school senior Jeron Teng will play for De La Salle University.

After months of speculation, he announced via Twitter that he has chosen to suit up for the Green Archers next UAAP season.

"Yup. DLSU," tweeted the younger Teng on Friday.

Jeron is the son of PBA legend Alvin Teng. His older brother Jeric plays for the UST Growling Tigers.

Hailing from Xavier School, he made headlines last year when he scored 108 points in a single game.

While the La Salle faithful celebrated his arrival, fans of UST were disappointed that they would not see the two Tengs playing together. But Jeric said that this would bring some good old sibling rivalry in the Teng household.

"It would be weird but a challenge playing against Jeron Teng next season of UAAP. Have to work hard this offseason!" tweeted Jeric.

Because of Jeron's credentials, people have started talking about possible matchups for Teng including reigning Rookie of the Year Kiefer Ravena.

However, Blue Eagle Ravena was quick to disspell any bad blood between them.

@kiefferravena: "Its not jeron versus kiefer. Aint gonna happen.. The ateneo lasalle rivalry will never be shadowed by 2 individuals."

Teng has a 33-1 win-loss record in his three seasons playing for Xavier School at the Tiong Lian Basketball Tournament. In 2009, Xavier had an unblemmised 9-0 record with the younger Teng playing with his older brother, current UST guard Jeric Teng. In 2010, the Golden Stallions had another sweep, posting a 9-0 record. In 2011, the Golden Stallions posted a 15-1 record with Teng providing much of the scoring

maverick99
01-13-2012, 10:34 PM
Jeron Teng to play for La Salle
January 13, 2012 12:56pm
from GMA News

Highly-touted high school senior Jeron Teng will play for De La Salle University.

After months of speculation, he announced via Twitter that he has chosen to suit up for the Green Archers next UAAP season.

"Yup. DLSU," tweeted the younger Teng on Friday.

Jeron is the son of PBA legend Alvin Teng. His older brother Jeric plays for the UST Growling Tigers.

Hailing from Xavier School, he made headlines last year when he scored 108 points in a single game.

While the La Salle faithful celebrated his arrival, fans of UST were disappointed that they would not see the two Tengs playing together. But Jeric said that this would bring some good old sibling rivalry in the Teng household.

"It would be weird but a challenge playing against Jeron Teng next season of UAAP. Have to work hard this offseason!" tweeted Jeric.

Because of Jeron's credentials, people have started talking about possible matchups for Teng including reigning Rookie of the Year Kiefer Ravena.

However, Blue Eagle Ravena was quick to disspell any bad blood between them.

@kiefferravena: "Its not jeron versus kiefer. Aint gonna happen.. The ateneo lasalle rivalry will never be shadowed by 2 individuals."

Teng has a 33-1 win-loss record in his three seasons playing for Xavier School at the Tiong Lian Basketball Tournament. In 2009, Xavier had an unblemmised 9-0 record with the younger Teng playing with his older brother, current UST guard Jeric Teng. In 2010, the Golden Stallions had another sweep, posting a 9-0 record. In 2011, the Golden Stallions posted a 15-1 record with Teng providing much of the scoring


youngdude, ilan pts kaya palagay mu tatambakan nila jeron teng yun cksc bukas?

izon
01-14-2012, 05:09 AM
Jeron Teng to play for La Salle
January 13, 2012 12:56pm
from GMA News

Highly-touted high school senior Jeron Teng will play for De La Salle University.

After months of speculation, he announced via Twitter that he has chosen to suit up for the Green Archers next UAAP season.

"Yup. DLSU," tweeted the younger Teng on Friday.

Jeron is the son of PBA legend Alvin Teng. His older brother Jeric plays for the UST Growling Tigers.

Hailing from Xavier School, he made headlines last year when he scored 108 points in a single game.

While the La Salle faithful celebrated his arrival, fans of UST were disappointed that they would not see the two Tengs playing together. But Jeric said that this would bring some good old sibling rivalry in the Teng household.

"It would be weird but a challenge playing against Jeron Teng next season of UAAP. Have to work hard this offseason!" tweeted Jeric.

Because of Jeron's credentials, people have started talking about possible matchups for Teng including reigning Rookie of the Year Kiefer Ravena.

However, Blue Eagle Ravena was quick to disspell any bad blood between them.

@kiefferravena: "Its not jeron versus kiefer. Aint gonna happen.. The ateneo lasalle rivalry will never be shadowed by 2 individuals."

Teng has a 33-1 win-loss record in his three seasons playing for Xavier School at the Tiong Lian Basketball Tournament. In 2009, Xavier had an unblemmised 9-0 record with the younger Teng playing with his older brother, current UST guard Jeric Teng. In 2010, the Golden Stallions had another sweep, posting a 9-0 record. In 2011, the Golden Stallions posted a 15-1 record with Teng providing much of the scoring


youngdude, ilan pts kaya palagay mu tatambakan nila jeron teng yun cksc bukas?
Oooops ! Hinay hinay lang sa kayabangan .

Tommy Vercetti
01-27-2012, 01:18 AM
B-Meg Head Coach Tim Cone has just been named as the official team consultant of the De La Salle Green Archers, according to GoArchers.com. (http://www.goarchers.com/)

http://www.adlsu.com/2012/01/26/tim-cone-is-team-consultant-of-dlsu-green-archers/

Kid Cubao
01-27-2012, 03:18 PM
good move for la salle. no way to go but up!

sonnyapco
01-30-2012, 12:30 AM
hi,sino jr archers from zobel makuha sa team A?tnx

izon
01-30-2012, 08:52 AM
Jeron Teng to play for La Salle
January 13, 2012 12:56pm
from GMA News

Highly-touted high school senior Jeron Teng will play for De La Salle University.

After months of speculation, he announced via Twitter that he has chosen to suit up for the Green Archers next UAAP season.

"Yup. DLSU," tweeted the younger Teng on Friday.

Jeron is the son of PBA legend Alvin Teng. His older brother Jeric plays for the UST Growling Tigers.

Hailing from Xavier School, he made headlines last year when he scored 108 points in a single game.

While the La Salle faithful celebrated his arrival, fans of UST were disappointed that they would not see the two Tengs playing together. But Jeric said that this would bring some good old sibling rivalry in the Teng household.

"It would be weird but a challenge playing against Jeron Teng next season of UAAP. Have to work hard this offseason!" tweeted Jeric.

Because of Jeron's credentials, people have started talking about possible matchups for Teng including reigning Rookie of the Year Kiefer Ravena.

However, Blue Eagle Ravena was quick to disspell any bad blood between them.

@kiefferravena: "Its not jeron versus kiefer. Aint gonna happen.. The ateneo lasalle rivalry will never be shadowed by 2 individuals."

Teng has a 33-1 win-loss record in his three seasons playing for Xavier School at the Tiong Lian Basketball Tournament. In 2009, Xavier had an unblemmised 9-0 record with the younger Teng playing with his older brother, current UST guard Jeric Teng. In 2010, the Golden Stallions had another sweep, posting a 9-0 record. In 2011, the Golden Stallions posted a 15-1 record with Teng providing much of the scoring


I am

I am more interested on the developement of those players in last UAAP tournament than in Jeron Teng. Who will just be a rookie, therefor untested.