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maroonmartian
07-09-2011, 09:56 PM
UAAP

http://uaapsports.studio23.tv/News.aspx

NCAA

http://www.ncaa.org.ph/season87/index.php

I hope they do better this year. I envy their website.

naz-T
07-15-2011, 09:36 AM
Wala bang Full Stats sa mga UAAP games?

kung meron, saan pwede makita? thank you

maroonmartian
07-15-2011, 09:45 AM
Wala bang Full Stats sa mga UAAP games?

kung meron, saan pwede makita? thank you


Me stats iyan sigurado ako kasi noong nanood ako ng Women's Basketball last year eh may computer sila na nagtatala ng stats. Humingi pa ako noon ng stats at yun mabait naman sila at nagprint sila. Complete as in me assist, rebound at place ng shots. Yung nakuha ko yung eh summary ng game with points, rebounds, assists, shooting percentage etc. And WOMEN's pa lang yun. Di ko alam kung UAAP or Studio 23 yung kumukuha ng stats.

So there is dahil meron kahit sa Women's. Malamang meron sa Women's. Sana lang iupload nila.

maroonmartian
07-15-2011, 09:49 AM
http://www.pbfantasy.com/uaap/rankings/

PBA Fantasy Stats. Magtiis muna tayo dito. Sayang walang NCAA.

naz-T
07-15-2011, 04:55 PM
http://www.pbfantasy.com/uaap/rankings/

PBA Fantasy Stats. Magtiis muna tayo dito. Sayang walang NCAA.


Thanks! official UAAP stats ba gamit diito?

Joescoundrel
07-18-2011, 01:16 PM
From the UAAP Media Center with consolidated reports - - -

De La Salle, UST Unbeaten in Two Games

INNA CORCUERA scattered 11 points and a monstrous 19 rebounds as De La Salle slipped past a stubborn University of the East (UE), 55-52, for its second straight win Sunday in UAAP Season 74 women’s basketball tournament at the Blue Eagle gym.

Also streaking to a second straight triumph was University of Santo Tomas (UST), which downed Ateneo, 64-51, on the 17 points, seven rebounds performance of Juvelyn Andaya.

The Lady Archers worked hard for the victory, wearing down the Lady Warriors who were enthusiastic to bounce back from their 52-64 defeat to the UP Lady Maroons at the start of the tournament early last week.

Hannah Vieterbo had 13 points in leading De La Salle, which trailed UE three-fourths of the way—4-9 in the first quarter, 18-26 in the second and 38-39 entering the final period.

Dianne Ventura finished with 21 points and Cindy Resultay laced her 17 markers with 18 rebounds for the Lady Warriors, who rolled to their second straight loss. Katherine Tan contributed 10 rebounds for UE’s losing cause.

Adamson, the two-time champion which yielded UST last Wednesday, got back on track with a 70-58 victory over National University (NU), a rout built around the 19 points and 10 rebounds of Anna Buendia and the 15 markers and 15 caroms of Snow Penaranda.

Jinky Balasta had 12 points and Angelica Ortega 10 for Adamson, whose defenders found difficulty containing NU’s top gunner Kristina Tolentino (23 points) and Gemma Miranda (17).

Far Eastern University also got itself in the win column with a 58-34 clobbering of University of the Philippines (UP), which dropped to 1-1.

Raiza Palmera had 19 points and Allana Lim 16 for FEU, while Ma. Antonia Wong and Kryzza Casino could only settle for seven points each to lead UP, which also totes a 1-1 won-lost card.

Action resumes Sunday also at the Blue Eagle gym with the matches between De La Salle and Adamson at 9 a.m., UST and FEU at 11 a.m., NU and UE at 1 p.m. and UP and Ateneo at 3 p.m.

The scores:

First Game
De La Salle 55—Viterbo 13, Corcuera 11, Abaca 8, Melendres 7, Ong 6, Piatos 4, Ramos 4, Garcia 2, Vela 0, Gonzales 0, Oyao 0.
UE 52—Ventura 21, Resultay 17, Tan 8, Doqueza 4, Puno 2, Valdez 0, Domino 0, Abarquez 0, Junsay 0, Floraida 0.
Quarter: 4-9, 18-26, 38-39, 55-52.

Second Game
FEU 58—PAlmera 19, Lim 16, Columna 8, Yazon 4, Soriano 4, Valenzona 2, Tiu 2, Borja 2, Regidor 1, Siat 0, Sambile 0, Rosaldo 0, Gabriel 0, Supnet 0.
UP 34—Wong 7, Casino 7, Bautista 6, Daez 5, Mrcado 4, Salapong 3, Topacio 2, Singson 0, Luna 0, Paz 0, Furagganan 0, Binamira 0.
Quarters: 13-2, 26-14, 47-25, 58-34.

Third Game
UST 64—Andaya 17, Laud 14, Galicia 11, Silva 6, Reyes 5, Ong 5, Mejia 3, Siapoc 2, Bombeo 1, Tingcang 0, See 0, Mandilag 0, Andrade 0, Salvador 0, Cabaylo 0.
Ateneo 51—Ong 13, Chuna 9,. Mercado 7, Dogong 5, Dimaano 5, Aseron 4, Bo-ot 4, Tiu 3, Estrada 1, Tantoco 0, Jose 0, Castro 0, Torre 0, Morales 0.
Quarters: 21-6, 33-21, 54-32, 64-51.

Fourth Game
Adamson 70—Buendia 19, Penaranda 15, Balasta 12, Ortega 10, Bernardo 6, Figueras 2, Baja 2, de Leon 2, Avila 2, Taroja 0, Ong 0, Gadian 0, Versoza 0, Taller 0.
NU 58—Tolentino 23, Miranda 17, Meneses 5, Alla 5, Oriel 4, Seno 2, Santos 2, Tongco 0, Nadres 0, Singsioco 0, Pama 0.
Quarters: 22-14, 37-23, 58-42, 70-58.

maroonmartian
07-18-2011, 06:41 PM
http://www.pbfantasy.com/uaap/rankings/

PBA Fantasy Stats. Magtiis muna tayo dito. Sayang walang NCAA.


Thanks! official UAAP stats ba gamit diito?


I think they just get it from the news. Di automatic agad yung updates ng score. Anyway it is still helpful.

To Joescroundrel, salamat po. Hope they could upload this story in the official website. Include na rin nila Juniors.

Looks like the two UAAP Finalists last year are willing to get back. Wala na pala si Sandel sa Adamson.

rainmaker
07-23-2011, 01:05 PM
No live streaming site?

maroonmartian
07-25-2011, 11:21 AM
No live streaming site?


Walang link sa UAAP site.Eto na lang

http://streampinoy.info/uaap-on-studio-23-live-streaming.html

Tsk tsk Di pa rin updated ang standings sa Women's at Junior's game. At least meron sila mga photos.

Sam Miguel
07-26-2011, 09:59 AM
From UAAP Media c/o Phil Star ___

MANILA, Philippines - Adamson and La Salle-Zobel kept their unbeaten slates in the UAAP juniors basketball while University of Santo Tomas remained on a roll in the women’s side at the Blue Eagle gym over the weekend.

Six Baby Falcons, led by Angelo Quinlog with 16 and William Polican with 14, scored 10 points or more as Adamson booked its third straight win with a 92-54 rout of University of the East (0-3).

Justin Lara made 11 points and TJ Carino, Vamico Barroga and Carl Soriano each had 10 markers for Adamson.

Ralph Lapada scored 12 points for UE.

Renzo Subido hit three triples and went on to fire 15 points as the Junior Archers whipped the UST Tiger Cubs, 74-55, to likewise post their third straight victory.

Alexander Tomas scored 13 points while Gabriel Reyes added 12 points and Von Kieffer Yu and John Boo chipped in 10 points apiece.

Defending three-time champion Ateneo matched National U with a 2-1 record after the Blue Eaglets beat the Bullpups, 49-42.

Lambert Tenorio had 14 points, Antonio Asistio made nine markers and Gerald Austria pulled down 10 rebounds for the Eaglets.

FEU made it a triple-tie for second place by downing University of the Philippines Integrated School (0-3), 92-46, in the other game.

Jose Domingo had 13 points, Jovanie Luz 12 and Jerie Pingoy and John Estacio 10 each for the Baby Tamaraws. Kim Cinco made 12 points and Freddie Pajarillaga hauled down 10 rebounds for UPIS.

In women’s play, Juvelyn Andaya fired 18 points and dished out six assists for UST, which went 3-0 after edging FEU, 66-65.

Marian Mejia and Rina Laud contributed 10 points each to the Tigresses, who bucked the 28-point, 14-rebound performance of Allana Lim and the 16-point, 13-rebound effort of Vangie Soriano.

FEU fell to 2-1, the same record as De La Salle, Adamson and Ateneo.

Adamson, behind the 12 points of Jinky Balasta, beat De La Salle, 49-41.

maroonmartian
07-27-2011, 03:11 PM
http://www.ncaa.org.ph/season87/stats/jrs/07272011/g25/final.htm

I think the UAAP has this kind of stats. Nakakuha ako one time sa Women's game. This makes me droll. Two thumbs up for the NCAA people.

Sam Miguel
07-28-2011, 07:53 AM
UAAP Media Center advisory - - -

The women’s games scheduled yesterday (Wednesday, July 27) at the Blue Eagle gym were cancelled because of typhoon Juaning.

The games—UE against UST, NU against De La Salle, Adamson against UP and Ateneo against FEU—will instead be played on August 3 also at the Blue Eagle gym.

UST leads the women’s division with three straight wins, followed by De La Salle, Ateneo, Adamson and FEU with 2-1 records, UP and NU with 1-2 and UE with 0-3.

maroonmartian
07-30-2011, 07:03 PM
^ Partida for the UAAP site, me game highlights.

maroonmartian
08-06-2011, 09:10 AM
Salamat sa website. Me game replays pala kayo. OK lang kahit wala livestream. Nag effort kayo na iupload. Sana lang ganito rin effort sa ibang sports.

Joescoundrel
08-17-2011, 08:18 AM
Speaking of the competition, the MVP Race after Round 1:

1. Greg Slaughter, Center, Ateneo De Manila
2. Kiefer Ravena, Guard, Ateneo De Manila
3. Rey Parks, Swingman, National University
4. Jeric Fortuna, Guard, Santo Tomas University
5. Aldrech Ramos, Center-Forward, Far Eastern University
6. Alex Nuyles, Swingman, Adamson University
7. Nico Salva, Forward, Ateneo De Manila and RR Garcia, Guard, Far Eastern University
8. LA Revilla, Guard, De La Salle
9. Eric Camson, Forward-Center, Adamson University

oca
08-19-2011, 06:41 AM
Standings after Aug 18 pladay:
SENIORS DIVISION
TEAMS WIN LOSS
ADMU 8 0
AdU 7 2
FEU 5 4
DLSU 4 4
UST 4 4
NU 3 6
UP 2 7
UE 1 7


From previous seasons, 7 wins was enough to make the F4. IIRC, only at once instance did a team with at 6-8 record made the playoffs. So, malinaw na di na malalaglag pa ang ADMU at AdU.

But the race for the 2 other spots, yan di pa tapos at malayo pa.

With 5 or 6 games still in the schedule for FEU, DLSU, UST and NU, and with just 2 wins separating the teams, the games this weekend will be crucial in the race for the last 2 spots. The way upsets have been scored and end-games played out, imo, kahit NU pwede pang masungkit yung 4th spot.

Pero yung 2x-to-beat incentive, palagay ko 9 wins will be enough to earn this and no way ADMU and AdU will make that slip away.

As for UP and UE, would a gambling man bet that either can sweep its remaining games and end at 7-7?

bchoter
08-19-2011, 02:24 PM
^ May twice-to-beat incentive kasi 8-1 na ang ADMU bukas? :D

maroonmartian
09-10-2011, 09:46 PM
^Pinalitan ko na lang po title. Wala kasi thread for this season and I bet the UAAP site would be different next year. Tutal mukhang Season 74 naman ang post natin.

maroonmartian
09-10-2011, 09:50 PM
Here are my bet for the different UAAP Season 74 Awards:

Mythical Team: RR Garcia, Alex Nuyles, Rey Parks, Nico Salva, Greg Slaughter
Othe candidates: Kiefer Ravena, Jeric Teng, Eric Camson
MVP: RR Garcia

Rookie of the Year: Kiefer Ravena

Sixth Man: Eric Camson

Most Improved:LA Revilla

Defensive Player:Kirk Long

Dark Knight
09-12-2011, 01:45 PM
Bobby Ray Parks for ROY.

bchoter
09-12-2011, 02:53 PM
Hindi na yata siya eligible for the award

bchoter
09-12-2011, 03:01 PM
Wala bang Kalabasa Awards?

Biggest disappointment, individual
Biggest diappointment, team
The tunnel vision award for the ballhog
The Moose award for the thugs
The best actor for the biggest flop
The Michelin Man of the year for the softies

Ooops baka maging flame-bait kaya ingat lang sa comments :D

Joescoundrel
09-13-2011, 08:11 AM
Congratulations to Rey Parks (MVP) of NU and Kiefer Ravena (ROY) of the Ateneo. Philippine basketball is in good hands for the next 10 years with these two.

Although it is not yet official, Ravena and Parks will likely be joined by Ateneans Greg Slaughter and Nico Salva, and Adamson's Alex Nuyles, since they made up the Top 5 in the statistical race.

maroonmartian
09-13-2011, 11:39 AM
Wala bang Kalabasa Awards?

Biggest disappointment, individual
Biggest diappointment, team
The tunnel vision award for the ballhog
The Moose award for the thugs
The best actor for the biggest flop
The Michelin Man of the year for the softies



Kalabasa Awards, my pick. ;D

Biggest disappointment, individual- Simon Atkins (DLSU)
Biggest diappointment, team- DLSU Green Archers
The tunnel vision award for the ballhog - Bobby Ray Parks or Terrence Romeo
The Moose award for the thugs- Mark Bringas
The best actor for the biggest flop- Jeric Teng? (couldn't think of any)
The Michelin Man of the year for the softies - Mark Juruena (its free paint points for opponents when he is defending) ;D

Joescoundrel
09-13-2011, 11:59 AM
Wala bang Kalabasa Awards?

Ooops baka maging flame-bait kaya ingat lang sa comments :D


Biggest disappointment, individual - Jovet Mendoza, minutes and stats reduced to maybe 20% compared to last year
Biggest diappointment, team - NU, a roster that well-supported has no businesses losing more than last year's roster
The tunnel vision award for the ballhog - Jeric Teng, "shot" and "selection" are not in his lexicon
The Moose award for the thugs - Carlo Gomez, he'll take out anybody
The best actor for the biggest flop - Eman Monfort, being small has its advantages in the eyes of the referees
The Michelin Man of the year for the softies - Poy Erram, living proof that height is not necessarily might

Joescoundrel
09-13-2011, 01:25 PM
We have just been informed that the Finals schedule goes like this:

Game 1 on Saturday 24 September 2011

Game 2 on Tuesday 27 September 2011

Game 3 if ever is still not set but will most likely be Saturday 1 October 2011

All games are at the Smart Araneta Coliseum.

bchoter
09-13-2011, 01:58 PM
Anak ng... hirap akong tumakas ng Tuesdays. On-line streaming nalang ulit ang pagsubaybas sa Tigers >:(

Joescoundrel
09-13-2011, 02:38 PM
Speaking of MVP, how does one determine the "value" of a player? I mean, really. And for that matter, how does one determine if a player is the "most valuable" in a given tournament?

Should it be based purely on numbers, i.e. the guy who has the best numbers should be named MVP? What if his team doesn't even make the playoffs? How "valuable" then could such a guy be? If he's really that good then his sheer play on its own should be enough to make his team at least playoff-bound. What if this guy is on a team that can't even make .500? Again, how valuable could he really be if his team can't even muster more wins than losses in a season?

Should it be the guy with the best stats on the best team? Hmm... this is tough, too. Maybe this guy is getting great numbers because being on the strongest team makes the game easier for everybody in general. If teams have to mind a 7-foot center then it gives more open looks for shooters, and opens up weakside cutting opportunities for slashers. If the guy was the 7-foot center himself, come on, how hard could it really be to dominate in a tournament where the other centers are easily half a foot shorter?

Finally, how silly is it that there is even such a thing as a "most valuable" player in a team sport? By its very nature, no one player can really, truly win it all on his own in a team sport. Michael Jordan took seven years to figure this out. LeBron James is still trying to figure this out today. Sometimes other teams might not have that one transcendent world-beating talent but still have enough collective, aggregate talent to beat a team with the best player in the world on their side.

bchoter
09-13-2011, 02:58 PM
On the flip-side, a good bot not great player can be the MVP if hte team he played with gets all the wins. Just like in hte PBA, a team with the most won ball games often have players among the top MVP candidates even if by sheer talent or game isn't even in the top 5 of the league. Voting should have balanced out the stats points earned individually and by won ball game. But Kris Aquino happenned. The NBA selects the MVP thru votes. I don't think the Kardashians can buy votes for Lamar or Humphries even if they were among the top candidates.

But, I still feel that individual stats + won ballgames + points off votes is the best way to pick the MVP, inspite of the Kris Aquinos (or the SMs?).

MaD CoW
09-13-2011, 03:37 PM
Let's say the MVP race is a pizza eating contest, and the contestants are all the players with one pizza being given to each school. The size of the pizza is different for every school, with the better performing schools getting bigger pies. Rayray being the ballhog that he is chomps down the lion's share for the smallish NU pie, while Greg, Kiefer, and Nico get their fair share from Ateneo's huge pie. Nuyles gets his own fair share from Adamson's pie, as does Ramos from FEU's (with RR getting a little less). For all those slices he downed, can anyone convince me Rayray consumed more pizza than the other names I mentioned, pound-for-pound? Okay, maybe he ate more than RR.

For all his accomplishments thia season, Rayray parks doesn't deserve that MVP trophy. In games wherein he dominated offensively, they lost (hello stat padding) and in a couple of games they won, he took a backseat offensively. Never mind that you weren't able to carry your team to the final four, but one loss more than last year? He should thank FEU that Abdul was suspended, otherwise that could've been TWO more losses than last year.

Joescoundrel
09-13-2011, 04:19 PM
On the flip-side, a good bot not great player can be the MVP if hte team he played with gets all the wins. Just like in hte PBA, a team with the most won ball games often have players among the top MVP candidates even if by sheer talent or game isn't even in the top 5 of the league. Voting should have balanced out the stats points earned individually and by won ball game. But Kris Aquino happenned. The NBA selects the MVP thru votes. I don't think the Kardashians can buy votes for Lamar or Humphries even if they were among the top candidates.

But, I still feel that individual stats + won ballgames + points off votes is the best way to pick the MVP, inspite of the Kris Aquinos (or the SMs?).


How big would you want the points off votes to be, Idol?

jembengzon
09-13-2011, 04:22 PM
there's always going to be pros and cons for using stats, player votes, media and what have you in determining who the most valuable player is. we've heard that it should be the player that is most responsible for bringing his team to the title, the one that means the most to his team, etc. Too many permutations, too many possibilities. The way the criteria was set-up, then someone whom the team relied on heavily stats wise was going to be the leader. the win bonus points should have been a balancing factor, but then again, parks made the most of it to overcome it. congrats to him. :)

while the criteria was set up to objectively determine the statistical leader, i guess there are things that can't be measured by stats alone, which are alluded to in this discussion. The impact of the winning team was factored into bonus points, but winning teams precisely do not favor a single player because they're led usually by more than one player, and will usually not have someone with other wordly statistics. it's the best team that wins the championships.

For example, for all of his talent and accomplishments, kiefer ravena was never the UAAP HS regular season MVP. and you know what? it didn't matter to him, nor to the team. Nor do i think it's going to matter to anyone who's seen him play and knows what he can do and what he brings to the table. not only does he bring his talent, but it's how he goes about his business - he's such a positive force on the court, and is always encouraging his teammates, rather than scowling at them, the first one to recognize a good play from them, will deflect the attention towards them for his own successes, - that for me is the most important factor.

He's a winner, and he makes his teammates better. that for me is the hallmark of an MVP. :)

Joescoundrel
09-13-2011, 04:29 PM
I'd give one point for every point scored (regardless of source, i.e. freethrows, field goals, treys), every rebound, every assist, every steal, every block.

I'd give one point for every full point over the median in assists:turnovers (i.e. 3.5 assists per turnover gives a guy three points). On the flip side I'd take a point away under the median in assists:turnovers (i.e. 1.5 turnovers per assist takes one point away from a guy).

I'd take away a point for every personal foul, every turnover, every technical foul.

I'd give 10 points for every team win. I'd take away five points for every team loss.

I'd give two points every time the guy is the leading scorer, rebounder, passer, ball thief, shot blocker but only in wins. He gets nothing if he leads in any department but his team loses.

I don't want any voting because voting ultimately is a political act and is easily distorted through great PR.

atenean_blooded
09-13-2011, 09:45 PM
I'm with MaD CoW. I think that if Parks gets the MVP plum, and this is even if I acknowledge that he is arguably one of the most talented players out there, the MVP award will be the biggest joke in a while.

Parks' stats are nice to look at, but a little critical thinking will lead someone to ask the following series of questions:

Nice stats. Did his team win?

How many times did his team win?

Was it even good enough for 4th place?


The answer to the first question is mostly no, the answer to the second is irrelevant, and for the last the answer is no. For all of his on-paper-impressive numbers, Parks' stats are worthless, since they aren't good enough to even place his team just one game away from fourth place.

This is precisely why Rabeh Al-Hussaini was the correct MVP, and not Jervy Cruz. Cruz's statistical advantage over Al-Hussaini, if any, was tiny, but Rabeh's team had a 13-1 win-loss record, and Cruz's team didn't even make the Final Four.

Now, there might be the idea that the MVP should be the guy whose stats were so important otherwise his team would have fared worse. The thing is, that's not just applicable to Parks. It applies to Greg Slaughter, Kiefer Ravena, RR Garcia, LA Revilla, Nico Salva, and all these other guys whose stats are good. And really, at 6 wins and 8 losses, there's really not much worse than you can fare.

Would NU have ended up the league doormat without Parks? Maybe not. As has been pointed out, in some wins, he took a back seat.

Again, to use Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Jervy Cruz as examples, the same reasoning holds true. Without Rabeh's numbers, Ateneo's 13-1 record might not have been achieved. UST's record was achieved in spite of Cruz's stats.


I am also with MaD CoW and his pizza analogy. Greg has to contend with Kiefer and Nico and the rest of the Ateneo team (fine, mostly starters). Parks has who? Mbe? Okay. Other than Mbe? No one.


If you want to base the MVP on stats, you have to factor in the wins after the stat points. Or, make the won game bonus huge, to have a significant impact on the computations.

bchoter
09-13-2011, 11:50 PM
I'd give one point for every point scored (regardless of source, i.e. freethrows, field goals, treys), every rebound, every assist, every steal, every block.

I'd give one point for every full point over the median in assists:turnovers (i.e. 3.5 assists per turnover gives a guy three points). On the flip side I'd take a point away under the median in assists:turnovers (i.e. 1.5 turnovers per assist takes one point away from a guy).

I'd take away a point for every personal foul, every turnover, every technical foul.

I'd give 10 points for every team win. I'd take away five points for every team loss.

I'd give two points every time the guy is the leading scorer, rebounder, passer, ball thief, shot blocker but only in wins. He gets nothing if he leads in any department but his team loses.

I don't want any voting because voting ultimately is a political act and is easily distorted through great PR.
Rewarding the winner and penalizing the loser. This should end all debates on the good player in a good team vs the great player on a crappy team

john_paul_manahan
09-14-2011, 01:41 AM
2011 UAAP MVP Ray Parks = 2003 AL MVP Alex Rodriguez

oca
09-14-2011, 06:15 AM
Official na nga bang si Parks?

Wala pa kasi akong nakitang official press release. Alam nyo naman ang mga broadsheets, maka-scoop lang ay pangungunhan ang tamang tagahayag ng resulta.

Sam Miguel
09-14-2011, 09:51 AM
^^^ Ka Oca, Rey Parks is now the Number 1 in statistical points after their last game versus UST. Since the UAAP goes strictly by stat points to declare MVP then it is definitely Parks.

oca
09-14-2011, 11:37 AM
Kung gayong purely statistics, palagay ko i/o of arguing or commenting on the merits of Parks getting the award, palagay ko it will be better and wiser in focusing on the process itself.

This may be the 1st time it happened in the UAAP that an MVP awardee comes from a non-F4 team. But this is not exactly something new to local college ball.

In the NCAA, there was a precedent. About 6 or 7 years ago, a player from Benilde in the person of Jay Sagad became MVP. CSB didn't make the F4 and was not even in contention for the 4th spot of the semis cast. It was considered an anomaly, that a player from a non-contending team, with a losing record at that, would become MVP. But no one took it against the player or the coach. The selection was based, as it is now with the UAAP, purely on stats. As a consequence of that anomaly, nagkaroon ng dagdag na criteria sa selection --- some have called it the "Jay Sagad rule". The additional criteria requires that the MVP awardee comes from a F4 team.

There was precedent. Maybe UAAP thought they are so different and a cut above the other leagues it cannot happen to them. Are we to believe that the Jay Sagad MVP case was never heard of before?

I read some comments on stat padding and that Altamirano aided Parks in winning, well there is nothing in the rule that prohibits what Altamirano did. No violation committed.
It can be a topic for discussion, but not to the extent that people get maligned or belittled.

In this case, the discussion should be, imo, on the process-- not on who gets the award.

oca
09-14-2011, 11:43 AM
To add, to focus the discussion on Parks vis a vis other MVP contenders, with no initiative to amend the selection process, what if it happens again?

Magpuputak na naman ang di sang-ayon?

gfy
09-14-2011, 12:37 PM
Basketball is very much a team sport unlike baseball for example where a dominating pitcher or hitter on any team can be MVP. Requiring that the MVP should come from a Final 4 team is a good idea.

Joescoundrel
09-14-2011, 02:14 PM
Jervy Cruz was MVP in 2009 although UST did not make the Final 4 that year.

It is difficult to look at the process without looking at the player selected, after all that is how discussions get focused, when there is disagreement as to the relative merit of a given player getting the award.

As for stat padding, does that not detract from the overall beauty of the sport? Essentially one guy is getting a break at the expense of team play and overall teamwork.

Mel
09-14-2011, 02:17 PM
Dylan Ababou was the 2009 MVP and UST did make it to the final 4 as 4th seed.

bchoter
09-14-2011, 05:05 PM
I think the criticism is more on the winner than the process. Parks (and Altamirano) had it coming for their blatant stat-padding while playing in a team that underperformed. Jervy's and Dylan's award wasn't met with as much criticism even if their team, like Parks', did not have a winning record because they did not deliberately padded their stats. In Dylan's case, UST was seen as overachievers with Dylan playing consistenly in the elimination round.

If, let's say, a Paul Zamar, garnered enough statistical points to win the award inspite of UE's lowly standing, maybe, just maybe, there will be less criticism.

oca
09-14-2011, 06:09 PM
Let us list the rules that were violated by Altamirano and NU in aiding Parks to win....

bchoter
09-14-2011, 06:49 PM
I think most people have a hard time accepting Parks' MVP award because of the perception he was a ballhog and went to great lengths to pad his stats.

I don't.

atenean_blooded
09-14-2011, 10:37 PM
Nobody's talking about any rules being violated by stat-padding, whether committed by Parks and Altamirano or not, so I do not even see why the discussion has to even go in that direction.

I'll agree that the process is what might end up with a result as absurd as a player from a team that doesn't even make it to the semis winning the MVP award.

And it's not as if this is new: In 2008, when Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Jervy Cruz were in a tight race for the MVP award, I and others who had the same sentiments brought up the same argument, applying it to Cruz. Of course, we were vindicated in the end when Rabeh won the award.

We can expect more of the same if the process remains the same.

danny
09-15-2011, 04:03 AM
Statistically , a well balanced team should have a harder time getting an MVP awardee than an absurd team with one statistically spectacular player messing around the normal bell curve.

Now if the statistics involved factoring the win-loss record and even the winning margins, then that's a different story. Well even voting can be put in a statistical equivalent via ordinal numbering.

It is not the "process" per se, but the process of selecting the statistics included and the weighting applied that really matters.

This is the statistics that was agreed upon. It can be changed to make it more appealing and skewed in favor of winning teams.

Simple lang yan.

danny
09-15-2011, 04:09 AM
As for stat padding, does that not detract from the overall beauty of the sport? Essentially one guy is getting a break at the expense of team play and overall teamwork.



Overall team work can also be put into a statistical number. But you have to pay me to show you the methodology. ;D

oca
09-15-2011, 07:25 AM
Nobody's talking about any rules being violated by stat-padding, whether committed by Parks and Altamirano or not, so I do not even see why the discussion has to even go in that direction.

I'll agree that the process is what might end up with a result as absurd as a player from a team that doesn't even make it to the semis winning the MVP award.

And it's not as if this is new: In 2008, when Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Jervy Cruz were in a tight race for the MVP award, I and others who had the same sentiments brought up the same argument, applying it to Cruz. Of course, we were vindicated in the end when Rabeh won the award.

We can expect more of the same if the process remains the same.


Then let us influence the direction of the discussions into the amending the process.

As, pointed out by danny, one factor here is the selection of the stats used. But it may be complicated for the ordinary mortals making up the UAAP decision makers. Simplify lang natin.

Dalawa lang panukala ko:

-Taasan ang bonus points for team win.
-The MVP must come from a team that advanced to the F4, or at least was in a tie-break play-off for the F4.

Pag tinaasan mo bonus points, it can negate stat-padding as the case was in NUs last game vs UST. Game wins will add up to greater bonus pts w/c will be tough to overcome in 1 or 2 games of stat-padding.

On the second suggestion, first, let us underscore the fact that Ababou won his MVP when UST had a 6-8 w-l record and that making the F4 at below .500 was an exception. But on the other hand, it is also possible that at 7-7 or 8-6 ay di ka pumasok sa F4 if ties ensue and you lost in the pay-off tie-break. Malinaw, to be at .500 or a little better may not give a team a ticket to the F4. But, if you were a key player in making your team a contender for that 4th F4 spot, palagay ka naman meritorious ang mabigyan ka ng MVP award if you have the stats.

Players from teams with much, much better w-l records but lower individual stat will just have to aspire for the Finals MVP award.

The_Big_Cat
09-15-2011, 08:29 AM
Congratulations to Rayray Parks for winning the 2011 UAAP MVP award. Hands down the best overall player this season.

Dark Knight
09-15-2011, 09:23 PM
I deleted my post in response to Sir Bchoters extra awards. ;D

atenean_blooded
09-15-2011, 11:18 PM
Then let us influence the direction of the discussions into the amending the process.

As, pointed out by danny, one factor here is the selection of the stats used. But it may be complicated for the ordinary mortals making up the UAAP decision makers. Simplify lang natin.

Dalawa lang panukala ko:

-Taasan ang bonus points for team win.
-The MVP must come from a team that advanced to the F4, or at least was in a tie-break play-off for the F4.

Pag tinaasan mo bonus points, it can negate stat-padding as the case was in NUs last game vs UST. Game wins will add up to greater bonus pts w/c will be tough to overcome in 1 or 2 games of stat-padding.

On the second suggestion, first, let us underscore the fact that Ababou won his MVP when UST had a 6-8 w-l record and that making the F4 at below .500 was an exception. But on the other hand, it is also possible that at 7-7 or 8-6 ay di ka pumasok sa F4 if ties ensue and you lost in the pay-off tie-break. Malinaw, to be at .500 or a little better may not give a team a ticket to the F4. But, if you were a key player in making your team a contender for that 4th F4 spot, palagay ka naman meritorious ang mabigyan ka ng MVP award if you have the stats.

Players from teams with much, much better w-l records but lower individual stat will just have to aspire for the Finals MVP award.


I agree with your suggestions. Regarding the first, I don't know if we should factor in the bonus in the computation together with the other stats, or if the bonus points should be added AFTER the statistical point total has been computed.

I agree that 6-8 is an outlier among win-loss records for final four contenders (we saw all sorts of bunching together of teams, but teams like La Salle just collapsed, giving UST the slot), 7-7 is probably not good enough , and things tend to settle at the 8-6 or 9-5 mark. I agree, though, that if your team makes the final four, it might be because of the MVP. Ababou's case isn't the best illustration of this, but without Ababou's numbers, UST would have probably fared much worse in 2009.

Wang-Bu
09-18-2011, 11:33 AM
tingin ko mas nararapat ang panukala na hindi lang may bonus points ang panalo, bagkus dapat may bawas puntos din ang talo, ng sa gayon kahit pa mag-stat padding may parusa ka pa din bilang talunan.

maroonmartian
09-18-2011, 02:40 PM
Ako wala naman ako problema kay Parks as an MVP. Ang problema ko ay ang posibleng hindi pagsama kay RR GARCIA sa Mythical Five. Second leading scorer, his team is in the Final 4 and FEU's leader and main man. Note too that HE IS GOOD IN SCORING IN THE CLUTCH (Maybe the best in the UAAP). And because he is SIXTH IN STATISTICAL POINTS he is nowhere in the Mythical Five? Come on!!! I think mas DESERVING pa nga siyang MVP. Just my opinion.

Parks is OK as an MVP but letting RR Garcia out in the Mythical Five is a cruel joke.

Joescoundrel
09-19-2011, 11:21 AM
From the UAAP Media Center, many thanks to all the contributors___

UST and FEU win two titles each

UNIVERSITY of Santo Tomas (UST) and Far Eastern University (FEU) bagged two championships each—in taekwondo and beach volleyball—and all of a sudden, the race for the general championship is now on in UAAP Season 74.
UST won the men’s title and FEU bagged the women’s crown in taekwondo on Saturday at the Arena in San Juan.
On Sunday, the Tamaraws annexed the men’s plum and the Tigresses the women’s tiara in beach volleyball at the University of the East (UE)-Caloocan sand court.
UST has won 38 general championship trophies since an overall title was awarded in Season 10 of the 74-year-old league, while FEU is a far second with 16.
And when attention was on the hotly-contested Cheerdance Competition which University of the Philippines (UP) won and on the Adamson University-FEU knockout match both at the Smart Araneta Coliseum, action in taekwondo and beach volleyball turned from fierce to explosive.
The Tigers snatched their 10th men’s taekwondo crown via a 5-0 sweep of Season 74 which they capped with a 5-2 victory over De La Salle last Saturday. De La Salle, the Season 73 champions, placed second on a 4-1 card.
“I’m delighted to win the men’s title again. We strived hard to get all the titles every year, that’s our ultimate goal,” said long-time Tigers coach Dindo Simpao.
UST also kick-started its bid for the juniors’ general championship when its Tiger Cubs won for the third straight yeart with a clean 4-0 record. UST also topped the demonstration event poomsae competitions.
The Lady Tamaraws, on the other hand, had to walk the tightrope. They wound up tied on top with the Lady Archers on 4-3 records, but emerged champions by virtue of FEU’s 4-2 victory over De La Salle early in the eliminations.
FEU’s only other loss in the women’s contest this season was 2-5 to 11-time champion UST, which fell to its worst finish at fourth since taekwondo was played in the league in 1994.
Featherweight Dane Pio de Roda of UST and middle heavyweight Marifi Gadit of FEU were declared Most Valuable Players.
The gold medal winners for Season 74 were De La Salle’s RJay del Rosario (pinweight) and UST’s Paul Romero (bantamweight), Christian Al dela Cruz (lightweight), Ernest John Mendoza (welterweight) De Roda (featherweight) and Marlon Avenido (middle/heavyweight).
The women’s gold medallists were UE’s Christine Benedictos (pinweight), De La Salle’s Alyssa Bonifacio, Jyra Lizardo (lightweight) and Inna Bonifacio (featherweight), FEU’s Crizabelle Vargas (bantamweight) and Karla Jane Alava (welterweight) and UST’s Jane Narra (middle heavyweight).
The order of finish in Season 74 taekwondo was UST, De La Salle, FEU, UP, Ateneo and UE in the men’s and FEU, De La Salle, UP, UST, UE and Ateneo in the women’s.

Tigresses, Tamaraws top beach volleyball, too

MARU BANATICLA bucked cramps and together with Judy Caballejo scored a 21-19, 21-16 UST victory over Ateneo’s Alyssa Valdez and Bea Tan for the Tigresses first women's beach volley championship.
“This win was made possible with the help of God. Hindi ako nawalan ng loob sa kabila ng nangyari kay Maru (Banaticla),” said Caballejo, the season MVP.
The Lady Eagles forced the “winner-take-all” Game 3 after they levelled the race-to-two series, 21-19, 21-15, Game 2.
FEU’s Arvin Avila and Karl de la Calzada prevented a bigger UST celebration when they beat Tigers Jayson Ramos and Mark Gil Alfafara, 21-14, 21-17, for the Tamaraws’ second-straight men’s crown.
“Sobrang saya, nagbunga lahat ng pinaghirapan namin sa ensayo. Mahirap silang bantayan dahil malalaki pero bumawi kami sa pamamagitan ng depensa,” said the Zamboanga pride and MVP Avila.
Cruz emerged as the women’s Rookie of the Year, Ateneo’s Israel Marasigan was the men’s top newcomer.
Season 73 champion Adamson University wound up third after Pau Soriano and Sheila Pineda beat De La Salle’s Michelle Gumabao and Camille Cruz, 21-17, 21-11.
The men’s order of finish was FEU, UST, Adamson, UP, De la Salle, UE, National University (NU) and Ateneo, while in the women’s contest, it was UST, Ateneo, Adamson, De La Salle, FEU, UE, UP and NU.

Joescoundrel
09-21-2011, 09:28 AM
From the UAAP Media Center c/o Jas Payo of the Inquirer - - -

UAAP Season 74 Wars

MANILA, Philippines—Ateneo completed its phenomenal climb with a championship over a National University side also vying for a historic romp in the UAAP badminton tournament Tuesday.

The Blue Eagles, who only finished fourth at the end of the eliminations, dominated the Bulldogs, 3-1, behind the strong play of national team ace Toby Gadi in the finals at the Rizal Memorial Badminton Hall.

“We went through a difficult route this year and were the underdogs,” said Gadi, who also copped the Most Valuable Player award. “I’m glad that all our hard work paid off.”

The Blue Eagles, who overcame the twice-to-beat edge of No. 1 squad La Salle in the semifinals, also picked up their first men’s crown in seven years and third overall.

Gadi triumphed in the second singles, 24-22, 19-21, 21-17, over fellow national player Philip Jofer Escueta of the Bulldogs, who were seeking to end a 25-year title drought.

Ateneo’s Pawee Natividad downed Aris delos Santos, 21-17, 10-21, 21-12, in the other singles match, before the pair of Gadi and Natividad wrapped it up with a second doubles win, 21-18, 21-18, over Delos Santos and Sonny Boy Montilla.

“Toby is a true winner. He had cramps, but he wanted it more,” said Ateneo mentor Kennie Asuncion, the country’s former No.1 player who also won Coach of the Year.

Other awardees were Rookie of the Year Gerald Sibayan and Most Improved Player JC Clarito of La Salle.

Baby Tams, Bullpups seal title duel

In juniors basketball, top-ranked Far Eastern University and National University arranged a best-of-three title showdown after downing separate semifinal opponents Tuesday at the Blue Eagle Gym.

Lady Tams crush Lady Archers

FEU also nailed the last Finals berth in women’s play by crushing La Salle, 66-44, in another winner-take-all semifinal earlier.

The No. 1 Lady Tamaraws will go up against defending champion Adamson in a best-of-three title series this Saturday, right before the juniors title match.

Raiza Palmera fired 12 points on top of six boards and eight assists to power the Lady Tamaraws, who rebounded four days after absorbing a 54-57 upset loss against the Lady Archers in the semifinal opener.

The second-seeded Lady Falcons disposed University of Santo Tomas in one game, 53-45, in their own Final Four encounter.

FEU similarly averted an upset in the juniors tournament with Joshua Aguilon and Jerie Pingoy combining for 39 points in the Baby Tams’ 63-56 triumph over the fourth-ranked Blue Eaglets.

The Baby Tams, who also ended the Eaglets’ bid for a fourth straight title, dominated the second half from an early 8-19 deficit.

NU overcame No. 2 De La Salle Zobel’s twice-to-beat edge with a 49-46 victory.

Joescoundrel
09-27-2011, 10:22 AM
From the UAAP Media Center c/o Celest Flores of the Inquirer - - -

UAAP Basketball Finals pushing through despite Heavy Rains

Game two of the 74th UAAP men’s basketball tournament finals will push through Tuesday at the Smart Araneta Coliseum in Quezon City despite the strong wind and heavy rains brought by Typhoon “Pedring”.

The UAAP board decided not to suspend the games in all divisions, said its president Ricky Palou.

The Ateneo Blue Eagles will bank on momentum off its huge game one victory as it tries to snare a fourth straight title at the expense of the FEU Tamaraws anew at 3 p.m.

The FEU Baby Tams are hoping for a steadier finish en route to the crown against the NU Bullpups at 11a.m. while the Adamson Lady Falcons also hopes for a “three-peat” against FEU Lady Tamaraws at 9 a.m.

Tickets for the men’s finals are sold separately.

Joescoundrel
09-27-2011, 11:13 AM
Yes, confirmed, Game 2 for the Men's postponed for this Saturday 1 October at Big Dome.

No word yet how the Women's game already played this morning turned out.

Joescoundrel
09-27-2011, 03:46 PM
There will be Games 3 for both the Juniors and the Women.

Apparently both games were played through before the UAAP decided to postpone the Men's Game 2.

NU beat FEU FERN, while FEU beat Adamson, as both divisions go to a Game 3 this Sunday 2 October at the Arena in San Juan.

Sam Miguel
11-23-2011, 02:02 PM
For volleyball fans, the tournament starts this Saturday 26 November at the Fil Oil Arena in San Juan.

For the men:

9:00 - FEU v Lasalle
10:30 - Adamson v NU

For the women:

2:00 - NU v UP
3:30 - UST v Ateneo

And this is for November 27, Sunday also at Arena.

For the men:

9:00 - Ateneo v UE
10:30 - UP v UST

For the women:

2:00 - FEU v UE
3:30 - Lasalle v Adamson

Sam Miguel
11-29-2011, 07:17 AM
From Inquirer ___

Contrasting starts for UAAP Volley Champs

La Salle kicked off its women’s title defense with a victory while men’s titleholder University of Santo Tomas fell on its debut in the UAAP volleyball tournament over the weekend.

Abigail Marańo fired 17 hits as the Lady Archers topped Adamson, 25-20, 25-23, 13-25, 25-22, Sunday at the FilOil-Flying V Arena.

But the four-time champion Tigers bowed to the University of the Philippines Maroons, who leaned on Samuel Paquiz’s 26 spikes for a 25-22, 18-25, 18-25, 25-23, 18-16 triumph.

Ateneo also stunned the Tigresses in straight sets, 25-16, 25-23, 25-18, with Alyssa Valdez, Fille Cainglet and Dzi Gervacio leading the Lady Eagles’ balanced attack.

Also scoring wins were National University, which downed the Lady Maroons, 25-6, 25-15, 25-18, and Far Eastern, which plastered University of the East, 25-19, 25-14, 25-23.

In men’s play, FEU bested La Salle, 25-16, 17-25, 25-23, 25-16, Ateneo tripped UE, 25-16, 25-23, 25-21, and NU nipped Adamson, 25-20, 20-25, 25-20, 18-25, 15-8.

Sam Miguel
11-30-2011, 07:19 AM
From Inquirer Sports ___

Ateneo Lady Eagles eyes second straight win

The fancied Ateneo squad goes for a second straight victory against the University of the East in the UAAP women’s volleyball competition right in its homecourt Wednesday.

Boosted by former high school standout Alyssa Valdez, the Lady Eagles try to follow up on their upset of powerhouse UST in the 2 p.m. duel at the Blue Eagle gym.

“The girls were impressive in their first game this season,” said Ateneo coach Roger Gorayeb. “I hope they would keep it that way the rest of the tournament.”

Adamson, which lost to defending champion La Salle in the opener, shoots for its first win versus UP at 3:30 p.m.

In men’s action, UP also vies for a 2-0 start against National University at 10:30 a.m.

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