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BigBlue
07-01-2011, 01:56 PM
And the lockout begins. Abangan na lang natin how this ends, will a deal be struck by October or will we see a repeat of '98-'99? or will there even be a '11-'12 season at all??


NBA lockout begins as sides fail to reach deal (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtIMBExGfBf_yWPen5I9kdO8vLYF?slug=ap-nbalabor)
By BRIAN MAHONEY, AP Basketball Writer

NEW YORK (AP)—The NBA locked out its players Friday when its collective bargaining agreement expired, becoming the second pro sports league shut down by labor strife.

The labor deal ended at midnight after players and owners failed to reach a new contract. The two sides remained far apart on just about every major issue, from salaries to the salary cap, revenues to revenue sharing.

The long-expected lockout puts the 2011-12 season in jeopardy and comes as the NFL is trying to end its own work stoppage that began in March.

It is believed to be only the second time that two leagues have been shut down simultaneously by labor problems.

In 1994, the NHL and MLB were idle from October through the end of the year. The NHL locked out its players from October 1994 until mid-January 1995 and reduced the 1994-95 season from 84 games to 48. MLB endured a 232-day strike from August 12, 1994 until April 2, 1995, which led to the cancellation of the entire 1994 postseason and World Series.

In a call with the labor relations committee on Thursday, Commissioner David Stern recommended that the first lockout since the 1998-99 season be imposed.

“We had a great year in terms of the appreciation of our fans for our game. It just wasn’t a profitable one for the owners, and it wasn’t one that many of the smaller market teams particularly enjoyed or felt included in,” Stern said. “The goal here has been to make the league profitable and to have a league where all 30 teams can compete.”

Despite a three-hour meeting Thursday and a final proposal from the players — which NBA leaders said would have raised average player salaries to $7 million in the sixth year of the deal—the sides could not close the enormous gulf between their positions.

“The problem is that there’s such a gap in terms of the numbers, where they are and where we are, and we just can’t find any way to bridge that gap,” union chief Billy Hunter said.

All league business is officially on hold, starting with the free agency period that would have opened Friday. The NBA’s summer league in Las Vegas already has been canceled, preseason games in Europe were never scheduled, and players might have to decide if they want to risk playing in this summer’s Olympic qualifying tournaments without the NBA’s help in securing insurance in case of injury.

And teams will be prohibited from having any contact with their players, most of whom won’t be paid until a deal is done but insist they’ll hang in anyway.

“We’re going to stand up for what we have to do, no matter how long it’s going to take,” Thunder star Kevin Durant(notes) told The Associated Press. “No matter how long the lockout’s going to take, we’re going to stand up. We’re not going to give in.”

The lockout comes exactly one year after one of the NBA’s most anticipated days in recent years, when Lebron James(notes), Dwyane Wade(notes) and the rest of the celebrated class of 2010 became free agents.

That free agency bonanza—highlight by the James, Wade, Chris Bosh(notes) trio in Miami—got the league started on a season where ticket and merchandise sales, ratings and buzz were all up. That weakened the owners’ case that the system was broken beyond repair, but it also demonstrated why they wanted changes, with Stern saying owners feel pressured to spend as much as possible to prove their commitment to winning to fans.

The last lockout reduced the 1998-99 season to just a 50-game schedule, the only time the NBA missed games for a work stoppage. Hunter said it’s too early to be concerned about that.

“I hope it doesn’t come down to that,” he said. “Obviously, the clock is now running with regard to whether or not there will or will be a loss of games, and so I’m hoping that over the next month or so that there will be sort of a softening on their side and maybe we have to soften our position as well.”

The NBA appeared headed this route from the start of negotiations. Owners said they lost hundreds of millions in every season of this CBA, ratified in 2005. League officials said 22 of the 30 teams would lose money.

So they took a hard-line stance from the start, with their initial proposal in 2010 calling for a hard salary cap system, reducing contract lengths and eliminating contract guarantees, as well as reducing player salary costs by about $750 million annually. Though the proposal was withdrawn after a contentious meeting with players at the 2010 All-Star weekend, the league never moved from its wish list until recently, and Hunter said he believes negotiations never recovered from that rocky beginning.

The union had previously filed an unfair labor charge against the league with the National Labor Relations Board for unfair bargaining practices, complaining the NBA’s goal was to avoid meaningful negotiation until a lockout was in place.

Despite frequent meetings this month, the sides just didn’t make much progress.

Owners want to reduce the players’ guarantee of 57 percent of basketball revenue and weren’t moved by the players’ offer to drop it to 54.3 percent— though players said that would have cut their salaries by $500 million over five years.

They sparred over the league’s characterization of its “flex” salary cap proposal—players considered it a hard cap, which they oppose—and any chance of a last-minute deal was quickly lost Thursday when league officials said the union’s move was in the wrong direction financially.

“I don’t think we’re closer; in fact it worries me that we’re not closer. We have a huge philosophical divide,” Stern said.

Hunter said he hopes the two sides will meet again in the next two weeks, after the union has looked at some additional documents it requested.

The players’ association seems unlikely, at least for now, to follow the NFLPA’s model by decertifying and taking the battle into the court system, instead choosing to continue negotiations. Hunter said last week he felt owners believe the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis, which is debating the legality of the NFL’s lockout, will uphold employers’ rights to impose lockouts.

“We’ll just continue to ask our fans to stick with us and remain patient with us. As players we want to play. That’s who we are; we’re basketball players,” Lakers guard and union president Derek Fisher(notes) said. “Right now we’re faced with dealing with the business aspect of our game. We’re going to do it the same way we play basketball. We’re going to work hard. We’re going to be focused. We’re going to be dedicated to getting the results that we want.”

About 90 percent of NBA players get paid from Nov. 15 through April 30, so they won’t be missing checks for a while. But Stern has warned that the offers only get worse once a lockout starts, so the league could try to push through elements of its original proposal when bargaining resumes.

“The fortunate thing about this situation is it didn’t just come up over the past couple of weeks,” Hornets guard and players’ executive committee member Chris Paul(notes) said at an event in Louisiana. “We’ve known this could be a possibility the past couple of years. I’ve been telling my teammates the past couple of years, and even the young guys that come in the league, to just be ready for it.”

Like with the NFL lockout, NBA players won’t be the only ones affected. Employees of teams and the league also face a very uncertain future. Stern admitted all options would be considered, including furloughs for his employees.

“The people who stand to have their livings impacted by a shutdown of our industry are going to have a negative view of both sides,” Stern said. “I think our fans will tend to have a negative view of why can’t you guys work this thing out.”

AP Sports Writer Rachel Cohen in New York, Brett Martel in New Orleans and Jeff Latzke in Oklahoma City contributed to this report.

Follow Brian Mahoney on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Briancmahoney

Raging Blue
07-03-2011, 12:35 AM
Whichever party first gets hurt financially will give in. The question is WHEN?

Joescoundrel
07-05-2011, 02:56 PM
Whenever people describe lockouts in American major league sports as a "labor issue" I don't know whether to laugh or cry or shoot somebody.

People making millions, living in mansions, driving expensive European marques, dining at the finest Michelin establishments, have no business calling attention to the "unfairness of it all" when the team owners suddenly do not want to give them as much.

I personally find it simply mind blowing that anybody, even the greats like Michael Jordan, should be paid millions of dollars even if he was the best baller of all time. His $30 to 40 million a year contracts were obscene, especially since doctors and scientists trying to MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE will never see that kind of money, ever.

So to the NBA players now locked out: take a friggin' vacation and make a donation to science or medicine.

oca
07-05-2011, 05:58 PM
Ang puno't dulo ng ganitong problema ay ang... consuming public.

The team owners are not doling out money or withdrawing from their retirement funds to give the players such mind boggling contracts. Ano man ang tinatanggap ng mga players, galing yan sa pagtangkilik ng consuming public-- gate receipts, merchandising, tv broadcast rights. Yung bukal na pinagmumulan ng biyaya ay nagsisimula sa consuming public. The companies that advertises in the game count their rewards also by the patronage of the consuming public.

But more than the cash shelled out by the public, the adulation they endowed these players have distorted the perspective of the latter. Para yang isang toddler sa bahay o pamilya na binuhusan ng attention. Spoiled kid o brat ang malamang kalalabasan. Yan ang nangyari sa maraming pro athletes.

Though I think the players have a distorted perception of reality vis a vis the world outside the league, I can understand their uncompromising stand in the negotiation.

What is the average lifespan on a basketball player-- 6, 7, 8 years? Pansin lang natin yung mga stars at superstars na nagtatagal ang career, pero sa bawat team there are just 4 to 5 players in this category. What would be life like for the players down the end of the bench when their pro career is over but still have 20 to 30 years of natural life ahead of them?

Marapat lamang na sulitin nila yung napakaikling lifespan ng isang pro athlete. The players union know the figures and are not asking for something that is not there. While team owners will be team owners for life until they sell or divest, players are good only until the expiration of their contract or when that career ending injury happens. Players will not be there over long periods.

On another point, CBAs are never negotiated for those receiving top level salaries. Kahit saan industria tayo mapunta, ang pinaglalabanan sa CBA ay yung tatanggaapin nang nasa ibaba ng pay scale. Yung mga sumasahasod na nang malaki ay tatahimik lang, dahil may mabago man o wala sa CBA, what they will receive is up and way beyond what their peers will receive.

Nakikita lang natin lagi ay yung mga sikat. Pero yung mga hindi sikat?

Kung ma cancel out ang isang buong season, who will lose the most here?

Team owners? They won't become team owner's if they don't have good business sense to begin with. This good sense sure had them investing in other things that will make them retain their lifestyles. Their business in the NBA will have zero revenue for that period of the lockout, but does it alter their lifestyle?

Players? They are to lose the most. A cancelled season is one year taken away from their professional life--one revenue year in a short professional life.

Lockouts are the same in any industry, anywhere in the world. Owners/ team owners who are not willing to give much or more will prefer a protracted war knowing the adversary across the table cannot withstand a long battle. Players/ employees on the other hand will eventually revise their demands para makabalik na ang lahat sa trabaho.

The consuming public? They'll rant on the perceived greediness on both sides. Forgetting it is their patronage that bred that greed.

But there is one sector, other than the owners and players, who will end up the biggest loser here---- the small businesses. Those that benefit when the public converge to the venues on game day. Sila ang may malaking talo dito.

maroonmartian
07-08-2011, 11:22 AM
Someone got to give in. And I think it will be the players who earns little money (pero anlaki na nun kahit bangko ka pa). The lockout in 1999 ended this way. Besides, the owners have other businesses to get their money.

RedArmyColonel
07-15-2011, 05:46 PM
Mukhang desperate na sina Blake Griffin at Kevin Love:

Lockout Professionals (http://dunkvideo.com/funny-videos/lockout-professionals-blake-griffin-kevin-love-adrian-peterson-ron-artest)

maroonmartian
07-18-2011, 12:45 PM
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/327123/fisher-join-nba-selection

Fisher to join NBA selection
By JONAS TERRADO
July 16, 2011, 7:06pm

MANILA, Philippines — Los Angeles Lakers guard Derek Fisher has been added to the list of NBA superstars that visit Manila for a two-game exhibition slated this weekend at the Araneta Coliseum.

The addition of Fisher was confirmed by Talk ‘N Text coach and MVP Sports Foundation executive director Chot Reyes via Twitter Saturday.

Fisher will join fellow Laker teammate Kobe Bryant, New Orleans’ Chris Paul, Sacramento’s Tyreke Evans, Oklahoma City’s James Harden, LA Clippers’ DeAndre Jordan and Minnesota’s Derrick Williams.

Reyes said in Friday's press conference that they are awaiting the addition of two more players to the squad.

Initially, it was rumored to be reigning NBA Most Valuable Player Derrick Rose of Chicago and scoring champ Kevin Durant of Oklahoma City.

Some NBA players in the list expressed elation over the upcoming visit to Manila.

Harden, known as the “Bearded One” for his long beard, tweeted, “I’m going to be in the Philippines next week!!!!!!!!!”

Since Friday's announcement that spread from various social networking sites and various media outlets, tickets have been selling like hotcakes.

Some reports said that one TicketNet outlet ran out of tickets for the game slated on July 23 against a 16-man PBA selection with plenty left for the match the following day against Smart-Gilas Pilipinas.
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Daming bigatin. Sayang din naman ang pera and time for exposure. Mga PBA teams scout na kayo. :D

Other news. Vujajic and Howard planning to play in Turkey and China respectively. Hopefully someone considers Philippines.

maroonmartian
07-30-2011, 07:15 PM
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports/14422-fiba-will-allow-nba-players-to-play-overseas

FIBA will allow NBA players to play overseas

..Fiba announced on Friday it would clear NBA players under contract to play in its leagues during the work stoppage, provided the deals they sign come with opt-out clauses...

...Playing overseas has emerged as an option for NBA players during a work stoppage that threatens to last months and could even wipe out the entire season. Nets All-Star Deron Williams has a deal with Turkish club Besiktas—which is also courting Kobe Bryant—and most top players said they would consider playing overseas....

...There is still plenty of doubt that top players will head to Europe or Asia. All-Star-caliber players may not find enough money to make it worthwhile, and numerous players who have signed overseas have stories of missed or late payments from their teams there. Also, their NBA teams could void their contracts if they are significantly injured playing in another league.

Still, scoring champion Kevin Durant of Oklahoma City said on Thursday he was “about 50-50” on the idea, while Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul both said they would consider China during a promotional tour in Hong Kong this week....
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If this lockout continues, the one who would be affected would be the players in the bench who doesn't have any back-up.

maroonmartian
08-06-2011, 08:40 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791967-nba-lockout-consequences-of-the-entire-2011-12-nba-season-being-canceled

Consequences of the Entire 2011-12 NBA Season Being Cancelled

-No Fantasy Basketball

-Pursuit of Record Put on Hold
Meaning Kobe's and Lebron's attempts to move in the all time scoring list will put on hold

-No 2012 NBA Finals
LBJ and Durant will have to wait to get their shot at the ring

-NBA Players Will Still Play Elsewhere
Which is now happening

-Players Fall out of Shape

-Rookies Suffer Immensely
Ricky Rubio, Derrick Williams and Kyle Irving :(

-Early Retirement
KD, TD and J-Kidd?

-Lost Jobs
Not the players but the stadium janitors, sellers etc.

-Small-Market Teams Continue To Hurt
-Fans Losing Interest

maroonmartian
08-29-2011, 08:22 PM
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/08/25/stale-contracts-offer-lockout-insight/

A blog by Sekou Smith identifying the "best explanation" by sports columnists/writers. Its made by Michael Wise of Washington Post. Here are some the important portions of the blog:

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Wise hammered home his point with this passage:

If Kevin Garnett’s contract was the flash point of the 1999 lockout — his $126 million dwarfed the $85 million paid years earlier for the entire Minnesota franchise, thus making it hard for a small-market team like the Timberwolves to put enough help around a star to contend — the salary of a player believed to be a dud is at the heart of this dispute.

Owners are sick of paying premiums for damaged goods. Players are putting the onus on the people who signed them to those deals, irrespective of who turned out to be a lousy employee.

Nowhere was the impetus for a long labor stoppage more obvious than here in Washington, where what was once thought to be a blockbuster deal — Gilbert Arenas for Rashard Lewis this past December — was in reality one franchise’s lemon traded for another.

Only in the NBA can a town be excited by moving a player with three years and $60 million left (Arenas) for another with more than two years remaining on a $118 million deal. Why were the Wizards ecstatic? Because as bad as Lewis’s $19 million-plus deal per year was for a player with declining numbers the past three seasons, at least they only had to have his contract around for two years instead of three. That’s sadly called success before the trading deadline.

Beyond finding a more equitable split of income, stale contracts are why the union and the league may not come to terms this fall and perhaps beyond.

While some observers like to label this NBA lockout as simply a chicken contest between millionaires and billionaires, it’s so much more than that. There are legitimate issues that must be resolved before we get our game back.

Regardless of whose side you take in this fight, it should be clear by now to anyone paying close attention that fundamental changes to the way the league operates will have to come before the two sides agree to get back to the business of basketball.

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Pero tingin ko mas malala pa rin sa football. Imagine the Spanish government SAVING LA LIGA, Spain's football league (and some says the BEST IN THE WORLD). May isa na nga team nagfile ng bankcruptcy. Sa Amerika mahirap yan kasi its more of a PRIVATE UNDERTAKING.

Update on the NBA? So far wala pang agreement between the owners and NBA Players. NO PROGRESS as this article in NBA.com had shown.
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/08/26/david-stern-nbpa-meeting.ap/index.html

maroonmartian
09-01-2011, 01:32 AM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/anthony-let-us-play-while-negotiating/

New York Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony has a solution — albeit an unrealistic one — to settle the NBA’s labor dispute.

“Just let us play and continue to negotiate. That’s what we say,” Anthony said on Tuesday after playing an exhibition game in Baltimore.

Talks between the NBA and its locked-out players’ union are expected to be held on Wednesday in New York for just the second time since the lockout began on July 1.

“I want a deal done, we all want a deal done. We just want it to be fair for both parties,” added Anthony, who shared the court with LeBron James, Chris Paul and Kevin Durant in the exhibition at Morgan State University. “We want to play basketball at the end of the day. We don’t care about none of that other stuff. They could settle that; just let us play and continue to negotiate.”
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Kating kati na maglaro siguro. Sayang di kayo sumali sa FIBA Americas (USA team). Sabagay may slot na kayo sa Olympics for winning the World title.