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Ghostrider
04-27-2011, 04:19 PM
These past few days, it has come to light that former UE Coach Lawrence Chongson has been very active in cyberspace. If you had an opportunity to ask him a question, what would it be?

Mine would be:

Given his revelation that in the current UE lineup, only Ken Acibar is PBA quality, how does he balance athletics with academics since some professors are known to be lenient and automatically pass varsity team members even without attending their classes?

Can the collegiate leagues implement a US NCAA style APR (academic progress rate) system? Is it time for the NCAA & the UAAP be managed by an independent office free from the trappings of the "old boy system" in which Trustees vote for school interests over the general welfare of the league?

Sam Miguel
04-28-2011, 08:32 AM
Coach, is there any truth to talk that Cobra still owes certain players back pay from the last PBL conference won by Excel Roof?

Coach, whose decision was it to fire Rene Baena and then re-hire him anyway?

chez_moi
04-28-2011, 08:52 AM
Nasa Gameface na din si Ironcoach? Sya din ba manager ni Paul Lee?

Wang-Bu
04-28-2011, 09:29 AM
ironcoach, ikaw nga ba nag-desisyon at nag-sulsol kay paul lee na huwag na maglaro sa UAAP ngayon?

manager ka na din pala. magkano ba kita ng manager ngayon? akala ko kasi kapag college player wala pang kita, o baka naman tinuruan mo din gumawa ng kita si paul?

zoom2k7
04-28-2011, 02:26 PM
iwasan po natin makinig sa mga sabi sabi or mga haka haka lalo pong iwasan natin ang magpangap na "insider" or maraming alam. Mas maganda po sana kung lahat ng pag uusapan natin dito eh may patunay or mas maganda first hand knowledge, marami na kasi kong nabasa sa thread na to about dun sa mga nangongomission or pumaparte sa sweldo ng players eh hindi naman pala totoo yun.

Mas maganda tanungin nyo na lang yung mga players na di umano eh pinapartehan ng masagot un haka haka nyo. ako naniniwala ako na hindi magpapadala sa sulsol si paul lee 22 anyos na yan di na yan bata!at kung malalaman mo ang kwento nyan nung HS pa sa baste bibilib ka jan.

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showpost.php?p=55628985&postcount=4726

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showpost.php?p=55629089&postcount=4727

bago pa man ako natisod sa forum kung san naroon si Coach Chongson, may mga katanungan ako bakit nasa NU si Betayene, kung bakit bigla nawala sila Hernandez,Trollano,Rosopa,Cagalawan atbp pang players dun nasagot un mga katanungan na yun at nakakalungkot isipin ayon na nga mismo kay TRollano hindi daw nya alam kung bakit sya natanggal sa team nagtataka nga din daw sya after a good showing in preseason games and serving residency eh tatangalin din daw sya pareparehas lang din sila nun sitwasyon nun iba pang natangal.

ironcoach
04-28-2011, 09:31 PM
These past few days, it has come to light that former UE Coach Lawrence Chiongson has been very active in cyberspace. If you had an opportunity to ask him a question, what would it be?

Mine would be:

Given his revelation that in the current UE lineup, only Ken Acibar is PBA quality, how does he balance athletics with academics since some professors are known to be lenient and automatically pass varsity team members even without attending their classes?

Can the collegiate leagues implement a US NCAA style APR (academic progress rate) system? Is it time for the NCAA & the UAAP be managed by an independent office free from the trappings of the "old boy system" in which Trustees vote for school interests over the general welfare of the league?


wala akong masasagot na matino dyan sa tanong mo. im just d basketball coach but i do encourage my players to get a degree. in fact, i was informed by the ue marketing director that it was under my tenure that had the most number of red warriors that graduated (i.e. espiritu, acuna, martinez, etrone, lingganay, bandaying & zamar). we do have a professor (sir gabs) in charge of monitoring the players' academic proficiency.

ironcoach
04-28-2011, 09:47 PM
Coach, is there any truth to talk that Cobra still owes certain players back pay from the last PBL conference won by Excel Roof?

Coach, whose decision was it to fire Rene Baena and then re-hire him anyway?


the cobra team u wr referring to was composed of paul lee, pari llagas, mark fampulme, jai reyes, allan mangahas, mark sarangay, edwin torres, marvin hayes, pj barua, greg aguilar, chris camus. who do you suppose we owe money to?? i even put up 2 teams that conference, the other 1 being cossack blue vodka. we've been in the PBL for d past 5 years and had players like JR Quinahan, ronjay buenafe, josh urbiztondo, rey guevarra,JR aquimo, jim viray, jason ballesteros, then jai reyes, hyram bagatsing,jr taganas & patrick cabahug among others. who did we ever owe money or back pay to?? how come not even 1 player has ever come forward or better yet, approach me abt it? cobra is owned asia brewery. d maximum PBL monthly salary is 25,000. do u think we would short-change a player with that amount of money??

ironcoach
04-28-2011, 09:49 PM
Coach, is there any truth to talk that Cobra still owes certain players back pay from the last PBL conference won by Excel Roof?

Coach, whose decision was it to fire Rene Baena and then re-hire him anyway?



hiring and firing personnel in my teams has always been solely my decision. im the head coach and...Head of Basketball Operations.

ironcoach
04-28-2011, 10:32 PM
ironcoach, ikaw nga ba nag-desisyon at nag-sulsol kay paul lee na huwag na maglaro sa UAAP ngayon?

manager ka na din pala. magkano ba kita ng manager ngayon? akala ko kasi kapag college player wala pang kita, o baka naman tinuruan mo din gumawa ng kita si paul?


paul didn't want to play for another coach and thats his personal decision. yung mga huling batches ng red warriors eh matatalino na. kung saan nila alam na mapapaganda ang career at buhay nila, yun ang susundin nila. hindi na nasu-sulsulan ang mga yan. like in paul's case, he knows that he's ripe for the pros already. he was born poor, grew up poor, and he wants to see those million pesos figures as soon as he can. nobody should deprive him of that chance.

im not paul's manager. yung pagkaka-type mo ng "manager ka na din pala" would suggest na yan ang belief mo whether may katibayan ka or haka-haka mo lang. kung may kita ba ang college player?? in my 2 years at ue, u can say that we took care of all the key players for them to play their best at all times. kung tinuruan ko ba si paul gumawa ng kita?? tinuruan ko syang mag-ipon tsaka wag pa-abuso sa mga taong malalapit sa kanya.

ironcoach
04-28-2011, 10:42 PM
These past few days, it has come to light that former UE Coach Lawrence Chiongson has been very active in cyberspace. If you had an opportunity to ask him a question, what would it be?

Mine would be:

Given his revelation that in the current UE lineup, only Ken Acibar is PBA quality, how does he balance athletics with academics since some professors are known to be lenient and automatically pass varsity team members even without attending their classes?

Can the collegiate leagues implement a US NCAA style APR (academic progress rate) system? Is it time for the NCAA & the UAAP be managed by an independent office free from the trappings of the "old boy system" in which Trustees vote for school interests over the general welfare of the league?


hindi ba parang baliktad?? yung mga profs ang lenient sa mga players tapos yung basketball coach ang inaasahan mong gumawa ng paraan para higpitan sila sa grades?? we cannot implement so many things in our society. jaywalking,littering, anti-squatting, street children, smoke-belching, traffic violations, human rights violations, etc. maraming bagay ang mahirap ng baguhin dahil naka-ugalian na. but pray hard. maybe in the next life. who knows?

one reason why it ain't that bad not to be a college basketball coach anymore.

zoom2k7
04-29-2011, 06:59 AM
welcome to the gameface forums Coach Lawrence!=)

chez_moi
04-29-2011, 07:11 AM
Ironcoach, graduate na ba si Paul Lee? Di ba much better if college graduate sya bago pumasok sa PBA? Sana tapusin muna nya course nya tapos laro ulit sya sa Red Warriors, hehehehe! ;D

ironcoach
04-29-2011, 07:53 AM
Ironcoach, graduate na ba si Paul Lee? Di ba much better if college graduate sya bago pumasok sa PBA? Sana tapusin muna nya course nya tapos laro ulit sya sa Red Warriors, hehehehe! ;D


paul lee, just like james yap, paul artadi, nino canaleta, ronald tubid, bonbon custodio, marcy arellano & elmer espiritu to name a few, yung mga target talaga nila from day 1 is to get into the PBA. a basketball player's career-span is very short. usually mga 35-37 years old lang. so when the opportunity for a player to get into the PBA arrives, kelangan talaga sunggaban kaagad.

may mga requirements ang PBA for a player to be eligible. 1 is to have attended(played) at least 4 years of college but kung hindi, he should at least be 23 years old.

paul had played 4 years in the uaap kaya eligible na sya. you have to understand that mostly mga hardship cases ang mga players. what if paul should get injured by playing another year for ue?? do u think ue will take care of him for life?? kadalasan naman yung mga tinatapos yung 5 years eligibility of college ball ay yung mga alanganin pa ang chances na kunin sa PBA. for example sina marcy arellano, raphy reyes & james martinez. do u think makukuha sila sa PBA right after their 4th year of playing for ue?? like paul zamar now. magla-lakas loob ba syang magpa-draft sa PBA this August?? kaya yung mga ganyan no choice but to finish their collegiate eligibility.

yung case ni paul lee eh parang yung kay rico maierhoffer ng la salle. may 1 more playing year dapat pero talagang hinog na mag-pro kaya opted to forego yung last playing year sa college.

Joescoundrel
04-29-2011, 08:51 AM
Coach, in the 2009 UAAP Finals against Ateneo, it looked like you fgured out Ateneo in Game 2, and UE was poised to win it all. Tinambakan ninyo ang Ateneo at mukhang sureball ng championship for UE.

Can you give us your take on what happened in Game 3?

Joescoundrel
04-29-2011, 08:55 AM
Coach, since you have more experience in the PBL than in college ball, do you think it is a good idea to have a semi-commercial league (like the PBL before, and now the PBA D League) that allows college players to participate?

My take is that college players really should just play for their college team, like in the US NCAA.

Plus, it seems anachronistic for players who are supposed to be amateurs (as varsity players) to be getting paid to play in the college offseason in leagues like the D League.

Joescoundrel
04-29-2011, 08:58 AM
Coach, when I interviewed you before at the Tanduay Gym prior to the start of the very last PBLConference, you said Cobra was at that time the most senior team already in the PBL.

Among all the players who've been with your franchise, who to you was the most underrated player? You've had your fair share of superstars, but who for you were the players who were maybe not given the recognition but were solid.

chez_moi
04-29-2011, 11:09 AM
Ironcoach, graduate na ba si Paul Lee? Di ba much better if college graduate sya bago pumasok sa PBA? Sana tapusin muna nya course nya tapos laro ulit sya sa Red Warriors, hehehehe! ;D


paul lee, just like james yap, paul artadi, nino canaleta, ronald tubid, bonbon custodio, marcy arellano & elmer espiritu to name a few, yung mga target talaga nila from day 1 is to get into the PBA. a basketball player's career-span is very short. usually mga 35-37 years old lang. so when the opportunity for a player to get into the PBA arrives, kelangan talaga sunggaban kaagad.

may mga requirements ang PBA for a player to be eligible. 1 is to have attended(played) at least 4 years of college but kung hindi, he should at least be 23 years old.

paul had played 4 years in the uaap kaya eligible na sya. you have to understand that mostly mga hardship cases ang mga players. what if paul should get injured by playing another year for ue?? do u think ue will take care of him for life?? kadalasan naman yung mga tinatapos yung 5 years eligibility of college ball ay yung mga alanganin pa ang chances na kunin sa PBA. for example sina marcy arellano, raphy reyes & james martinez. do u think makukuha sila sa PBA right after their 4th year of playing for ue?? like paul zamar now. magla-lakas loob ba syang magpa-draft sa PBA this August?? kaya yung mga ganyan no choice but to finish their collegiate eligibility.

yung case ni paul lee eh parang yung kay rico maierhoffer ng la salle. may 1 more playing year dapat pero talagang hinog na mag-pro kaya opted to forego yung last playing year sa college.


Thanks for the quick reply Coach ;D

Oo nga noh, goodluck na lang kay Paul Lee sigurado naman makukuha talaga yan sa PBA.

gameFaceAdmin
04-29-2011, 01:42 PM
Coach, who do you think are the 5 best recruits this year in the UAAP? Who do you think will be the 5 best recruits next year?

Out_Of_The_Blue
04-29-2011, 01:46 PM
Coach, what is your prognosis for this year's UAAP? Who will be your final 4 and who do you think will emerge as champs and why?

Out_Of_The_Blue
04-29-2011, 01:49 PM
Ironcoach, sino yung mga recruits nyo na dapat nasa team na ngayon na hindi natuloy?

Sayang naman si Paul Lee. Hindi na ba siya talaga babalik sa UE this year?

ironcoach
04-30-2011, 12:58 AM
Coach, in the 2009 UAAP Finals against Ateneo, it looked like you fgured out Ateneo in Game 2, and UE was poised to win it all. Tinambakan ninyo ang Ateneo at mukhang sureball ng championship for UE.

Can you give us your take on what happened in Game 3?



whatever i point out after that specific game, it'll just come off as an alibi,finger-pointing or sour-graping even. allow me to just put it this way...i lost the biggest game of my life but maybe it just wasn't meant to be. but as the captain of the ship, i take full responsibility of that debacle. but let me add that ue will never, ever be a match to ateneo logistically unless somebody with a great basketball mind(& logistically-equipped) is hired to handle ue's basketball affairs.

ironcoach
04-30-2011, 01:09 AM
Coach, since you have more experience in the PBL than in college ball, do you think it is a good idea to have a semi-commercial league (like the PBL before, and now the PBA D League) that allows college players to participate?

My take is that college players really should just play for their college team, like in the US NCAA.

Plus, it seems anachronistic for players who are supposed to be amateurs (as varsity players) to be getting paid to play in the college offseason in leagues like the D League.



its about time all college hoops fans realize that philippine basketball has its own culture. just like in countries all over the world. back in the 80's (ewan ko nalang nung 90's) high school stars can already play in the PBL even before playing a single college game. how many players have jumped from high school straight to the NBA in the States?? they call it "hardship case" over there. people(young & old) are entitled to make a living as long as it is any means, legal. why should anyone be deprived of making a living?? alam mo namang ang hirap ng buhay lalo na dito sa pilipinas.

ironcoach
04-30-2011, 01:40 AM
Coach, when I interviewed you before at the Tanduay Gym prior to the start of the very last PBLConference, you said Cobra was at that time the most senior team already in the PBL.

Among all the players who've been with your franchise, who to you was the most underrated player? You've had your fair share of superstars, but who for you were the players who were maybe not given the recognition but were solid.


patrick cabahug, rudy lingganay, pari llagas, nani epondulan, mark abadia, arjun cordero, jerome paterno, danny pribhdas, earn saguindel, nestor david, jorel canizares, etc.

ironcoach
04-30-2011, 01:48 AM
Coach, who do you think are the 5 best recruits this year in the UAAP? Who do you think will be the 5 best recruits next year?


ray parks, kiefer ravena, kevin ferrer, yung bagong import ng san beda and baser amer, kyle neypes...norbert torres, gwynne capacio. for next year ang alam ko lang si jeron teng. i could've at least tried to bring him to ue (with bong tan's networks).

oops!! uaap lang pala. omit nalang baser and the new beda import.

ironcoach
04-30-2011, 01:53 AM
Coach, what is your prognosis for this year's UAAP? Who will be your final 4 and who do you think will emerge as champs and why?




ateneo & feu. then 2 from among nu, adamson, la salle & ust. champs???....no clue. pero don't under-eestimate yung parks-mbe tandem.

ironcoach
04-30-2011, 01:56 AM
Ironcoach, sino yung mga recruits nyo na dapat nasa team na ngayon na hindi natuloy?

Sayang naman si Paul Lee. Hindi na ba siya talaga babalik sa UE this year?


don trollano, gian abrigo,kinsman frando, ritz cagalawan & crisper elopre.

hindi sayang si paul lee. sayang ang ue.

ironcoach
04-30-2011, 02:09 AM
sam miguel & wang-bu, sa pex nag-paalam na ako para makapag-move on na ang lahat since nabigyan na naman ako ng pagkakataon at panahon mai-lahad yung panig ko sa mga issues na napakaraming speculations, haka-haka at mga kasinungalingan.
na-kumbida naman ako dito sa gameface at nakapag-sagot din ako sa ilang mga katanungan. ngayon, kayong dalawa ba may mga katanungan pa bago ako mag-paalam narin dito?? matanong ko lang... kayong dalawa ba eh dun nakatira sa barangay ni barangay chairman rene baena?? or mga fans lang kayo nya?

zoom2k7
04-30-2011, 03:39 AM
Ironcoach, sino yung mga recruits nyo na dapat nasa team na ngayon na hindi natuloy?

Sayang naman si Paul Lee. Hindi na ba siya talaga babalik sa UE this year?


natisod ko lang from pex sana makatulong

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showpost.php?p=55614829&postcount=4701

anthony00
05-02-2011, 05:17 PM
ako kabarangay ni chairman. hehe... nakakapagtaka lang ung pagkakaalis sa kanya? was that "giving chance to former players" or was that a tactical move?

coach, may idea po ba kayo kung bakit nag jump-ship si Henri patunong SM este NU?

animo
06-07-2011, 10:26 AM
@ ironcoach

sarap mong maging coach... may malasakit... may trip pa sa usa ;D
do you have plans of coaching a collegiate team in the near future?

ironcoach
06-08-2011, 06:48 PM
@ ironcoach

sarap mong maging coach... may malasakit... may trip pa sa usa ;D
do you have plans of coaching a collegiate team in the near future?


PUnta kayo sa ueredtribe.omgforum.net Marami akong post at sinagot dun just now. Napalaban yata ako. I love helping and siding with the underdogs. Yun yata ang secret to acquire a never say die attitude. I don't usually make plans regarding my career path. I'm a "come what may" kind of a guy. But I can tell you that I'm happy and at peace in the PBA D-league now. Less chaotic, less kids stuffs. And at least here, everybody knows their basketball.

ironcoach
06-08-2011, 10:19 PM
@ ironcoach

sarap mong maging coach... may malasakit... may trip pa sa usa ;D
do you have plans of coaching a collegiate team in the near future?


PUnta kayo sa ueredtribe.omgforum.net Marami akong post at sinagot dun just now. Napalaban yata ako. I love helping and siding with the underdogs. Yun yata ang secret to acquire a never say die attitude. I don't usually make plans regarding my career path. I'm a "come what may" kind of a guy. But I can tell you that I'm happy and at peace in the PBA D-league now. Less chaotic, less kids stuffs. And at least here, everybody knows their basketball.



Wag na pala kayo pumunta sa ueredtribe.omgforum.net binura lahat ng post ko dun I tried to post again pero di na tinatanggap. Apparently I've been blocked. Ganun pall ang mga Tao dun. Titirahin ka tapos di ka bibigyan ng chance to give your side. Oh well.

zoom2k7
06-08-2011, 10:37 PM
i told you coach gameface talaga ang isa sa pinakamagandang forum mature ang tao dito at walang masyadong balimbing dito.

pulang mandirigma
06-10-2011, 01:54 PM
Sir Ironcoach aka chongson, akalain mo yun, meron ka na pa lng follower..dami na napaniwala mo na kaw nga si coach chonson.. ;D good job sir ;)

ironcoach
06-11-2011, 01:18 AM
Sir Ironcoach aka chongson, akalain mo yun, meron ka na pa lng follower..dami na napaniwala mo na kaw nga si coach chonson.. ;D good job sir ;)


Iron coach is Lawrence chongson. I'm trying my best to disasociate myself from UE but it's hard. Nung may nag-post sa PEX na ako na raw yata ang "Sugo ni Lualhati", dinibdib at pinanindigan ko na yon. Nahirapan Lang siguro akong tanggapin na today....they don't want me anymore. But then again...life goes on.

zoom2k7
06-11-2011, 02:42 AM
Hi coach good morning!i have a question, is there any possibility that ken and paul will have a change of heart and suit up for the team?gaano ka slim ang chances sa tingin ninyo?

pulang mandirigma
06-11-2011, 08:43 AM
Iron coach is Lawrence chongson. I'm trying my best to disasociate myself from UE but it's hard. Nung may nag-post sa PEX na ako na raw yata ang "Sugo ni Lualhati", dinibdib at pinanindigan ko na yon. Nahirapan Lang siguro akong tanggapin na today....they don't want me anymore. But then again...life goes on.
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Iif that what you said. Ok, no more argument with you sir.. ;D Sir meron pa bang big man ang UE bukod kay Razon na pwdeng ipasok ni coach jerry o mga possible recruit sana na kung hindi kayo natangal bilang coach ay maipapasok nyo..

animo
06-11-2011, 02:48 PM
coach, fearless forecast... is it going to be SBC or ADMU in Fil oil championship? and why?

ironcoach
06-11-2011, 04:13 PM
Hi coach good morning!i have a question, is there any possibility that ken and paul will have a change of heart and suit up for the team?gaano ka slim ang chances sa tingin ninyo?


There are always 2 sides to a coin. I believe that I can still convince both Paul & Ken. But the question is...tanggapin pa kaya sila ng UE?? And of course the best move for Paul is to up na to the pro ranks. Would it be morally correct for me to alter the course of his future?? But if everything should fall into place or if all the stars would align to 1 common direction...I don't see why it cannot be worked out.

ironcoach
06-11-2011, 04:34 PM
Iron coach is Lawrence chongson. I'm trying my best to disasociate myself from UE but it's hard. Nung may nag-post sa PEX na ako na raw yata ang "Sugo ni Lualhati", dinibdib at pinanindigan ko na yon. Nahirapan Lang siguro akong tanggapin na today....they don't want me anymore. But then again...life goes on.


Iif that what you said. Ok, no more argument with you sir.. ;D Sir meron pa bang big man ang UE bukod kay Razon na pwdeng ipasok ni coach jerry o mga possible recruit sana na kung hindi kayo natangal bilang coach ay maipapasok nyo..


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Si Henri Betayene 6'7 yon and si Kit Rosopa supposedly can play pa this season. And of course Ken acibar is 6'5 already and with 3 more playing years left sana. In our 2nd round match up against FEU, Ken had 19 pts & 20 rebs. And against Ateneo & La Salle, he had 14 pts & 13 rebs in both games. Ika nga eh proven na.

ironcoach
06-11-2011, 04:41 PM
coach, fearless forecast... is it going to be SBC or ADMU in Fil oil championship? and why?


SBC. Beterano na ang mga key players ng SBC as compared to ateneo. Grabe!!! 2 MVP teams ang magsasalpukan sa finals??? Eh kahit Sino pa ang manalo dyan celebration parin. Ang galling na talaga nila sa basketball operations. The best in the whole country. Pati talk n text champion din sa PBA. What can i say?? Every penny they've spent is all worth it. They know what they want and know how to get them. Saludo ako.

ironcoach
06-13-2011, 05:07 AM
@ ironcoach

sarap mong maging coach... may malasakit... may trip pa sa usa ;D
do you have plans of coaching a collegiate team in the near future?


masarap talaga! Of course through the generosity & 100% all-out support of Mr. Lucio (Bong) Tan Jr. We (Paul Lee, Ken Acibar, Mr.Tan & I) were at the renowned Studio 54 club at the MGM Grand Resort & Casino in Las Vegas last night & we simply had a blast. The 2 players each received $500 shopping money pa from The Boss.

pulang mandirigma
06-15-2011, 11:02 AM
From REDTRIBE:

As of June 14, 2011
University of the East Red Warriors OFFICIAL LINE UP:

* Samuel Kim K. Razon
* Paul Christian C. Zamar (team captain)
* Luis Pujante
* Lucas B. Tagarda
* John Rey C. Sumido
* Adrian M. Santos
* Lord Howier M. Casajeros
* Christopher Javier
* Erwin M. Duran
* Ebrahim Ric L. Enguio
* Shej Roi D. Sumang
* John Michael D. Noble
* Jairod T. Flores
* Nicholas Montelibano
* Luis Nike Montalvo
* Benjamin James Zosa
* Von Chavez

Sir ironcoach mukhang malabo na bata nyo na si Acibar na makabalik sa lineup ah..

lekiboy
06-15-2011, 11:10 AM
official line up po ba itong 17 names?

pulang mandirigma
06-15-2011, 11:51 AM
^^ Actually hindi pa nmn daw.Try to visit ueredtribe.omgforum.net sa kanila galing yang info na yan... :)

ironcoach
06-15-2011, 06:33 PM
^^ Actually hindi pa nmn daw.Try to visit ueredtribe.omgforum.net sa kanila galing yang info na yan... :)


As my advice to everyone and not only kenneth...people will do their thing and we should also do our thing. The PBA Draft is just around the corner and that's the path Kenneth is taking. He won't be able to provide for his family's need by making college ball (well, at least with a low budget team like UE) money. Both his mom & dad don't have work, a sister goes to a public college while a kid brother goes to a public school and Ken pays for their apartment rental somewhere in the Balut, Tondo neighborhood. And his only saving grace or hope on this earth...his basketball skills which in my own little way, im trying to help him hone or improve on by bringing him (and Paul Lee) here in Las Vegas to train and polish some more.

ironcoach
06-15-2011, 06:35 PM
@ ironcoach

sarap mong maging coach... may malasakit... may trip pa sa usa ;D
do you have plans of coaching a collegiate team in the near future?


@animo, are you from La Salle?? Just curious, that's all.

animo
06-15-2011, 09:45 PM
@ ironcoach

sarap mong maging coach... may malasakit... may trip pa sa usa ;D
do you have plans of coaching a collegiate team in the near future?


@animo, are you from La Salle?? Just curious, that's all.


coach, you got pm.

ironcoach
06-16-2011, 01:33 AM
@ ironcoach

sarap mong maging coach... may malasakit... may trip pa sa usa ;D
do you have plans of coaching a collegiate team in the near future?


@animo, are you from La Salle?? Just curious, that's all.


I went to San beda for a while back in high school. Does that make me an alumnus??? :)

coach, you got pm.

yungha
07-01-2011, 03:28 PM
coach, since you're rather upfront about the allowances and benefits received by players, may i ask - is it true that all players would have gotten a brand new vios had the warriors won the UAAP title in 2009, from paul lee all the way down to the 16th man?

ironcoach
07-01-2011, 03:40 PM
coach, since you're rather upfront about the allowances and benefits received by players, may i ask - is it true that all players would have gotten a brand new vios had the warriors won the UAAP title in 2009, from paul lee all the way down to the 16th man?


nope. only the 1st 5 (starters) gets a Vios each at that time. the 6th to the 8th man gets 300k each while the 9th man all the way to the last ballboy and team member gets 60k each.

hindi ba medyo super-delayed na yang question mo?? its been 2 years delayed ah!! ;)

anyway, its still a pleasure for me to answer your question.

yungha
07-01-2011, 04:03 PM
ngayon ko lang kasi nalaman that you're active in cyberspace. so it's only now that i got the opportunity.

thanks for answering, coach.

BedanRoar
07-01-2011, 04:42 PM
Coach,

When was the last time you had a Short Hair? ;D (Puro Basketball tanong, para may light moments naman) ::)

ironcoach
07-01-2011, 05:33 PM
Coach,

When was the last time you had a Short Hair? ;D (Puro Basketball tanong, para may light moments naman) ::)


i had my hair long 1st in 1991 then started to grow it again in 2005 until recently. but i had my hair cut short na last month. para maiba naman. so

BedanRoar
07-01-2011, 09:54 PM
Hehehe...Thanks ironcoach for taking time. Goodluck! ;)

ironcoach
07-02-2011, 12:37 AM
Hehehe...Thanks ironcoach for taking time. Goodluck! ;)


thanks sa question mo bedanroar. ur right. we really need some light moment questions indeed. hope to read from you soon.

bluewing
07-02-2011, 12:38 PM
coach, alam nating lahat na kahit gaano kapanget ang isang player, may dating pa rin ito sa mga chicks at talagang merong lalandi at lalandi sa kanya.

e sa coaching staff ba, meron ding ganyan? naaambunan ba ang coaching staff ng ganyang klaseng grasya?

ironcoach
07-02-2011, 01:09 PM
coach, alam nating lahat na kahit gaano kapanget ang isang player, may dating pa rin ito sa mga chicks at talagang merong lalandi at lalandi sa kanya.

e sa coaching staff ba, meron ding ganyan? naaambunan ba ang coaching staff ng ganyang klaseng grasya?


Nakakapagtaka kung minsan at ewan ko rin kung bakit. pero im sure marami narin kayong nasasagap na mga balita tungkol dyan. hindi ko alam kung sadyang matutulis lang talaga ang mga personnel sa basketball o sadya lang mapagmahal or gullible ang ating mga kababaihan nowadays.
but we are in a democracy and kasama na dyan ang Freedom of expression. mahirap pigilan ang tao sa pagtikim ng mga masasarap. Awwww!!! :-*

bchoter
07-02-2011, 08:37 PM
Kaya nga nagpupumilit akong unattend sa mga coaching clinics kadi du umepek ang lintek na growth balls. Sana araw araw bagong taon ng makatalon araw araw

ironcoach
07-03-2011, 04:07 AM
Kaya nga nagpupumilit akong unattend sa mga coaching clinics kadi du umepek ang lintek na growth balls. Sana araw araw bagong taon ng makatalon araw araw


diskarte lang yan brod...diskarte lang. if that doesn't work, huwag ka nalang maging mapili. kung wa epek parin...magbayad ka nalang. ;D

kitam! maraming paraan yan diba?? ;)

bluewing
07-03-2011, 12:11 PM
coach, alam nating lahat na kahit gaano kapanget ang isang player, may dating pa rin ito sa mga chicks at talagang merong lalandi at lalandi sa kanya.

e sa coaching staff ba, meron ding ganyan? naaambunan ba ang coaching staff ng ganyang klaseng grasya?


Nakakapagtaka kung minsan at ewan ko rin kung bakit. pero im sure marami narin kayong nasasagap na mga balita tungkol dyan. hindi ko alam kung sadyang matutulis lang talaga ang mga personnel sa basketball o sadya lang mapagmahal or gullible ang ating mga kababaihan nowadays.
but we are in a democracy and kasama na dyan ang Freedom of expression. mahirap pigilan ang tao sa pagtikim ng mga masasarap. Awwww!!! :-*


tama ka dyan. ironcoach!

toti_mendiola
07-03-2011, 01:11 PM
coach bakit madaming naaadik sa larong basketbol? nakakapagod naman.

ironcoach
07-04-2011, 04:51 AM
coach bakit madaming naaadik sa larong basketbol? nakakapagod naman.


marahil ay bahagi na ng kulturang Pilipino ang larong basketball. Basketball lang ang sport na parati mong mapapanood sa television (alam naman natin ang epekto ng television sa mga madalas manood nito). and maybe because yun ang tanging sport na glamoroso (lately lang nagkaroon ng Azkals). and its common knowledge that its the only sport that players who excel and has the luck ,can actually make the game his source of making a living (unless you're a fellow named Manny Pacquiao).

ironcoach
07-04-2011, 10:23 AM
Will somebody PLEASE finally correct the spelling of my name here?? its C-H-O-N-G-S-O-N. No letter "i".

gameFaceAdmin
07-04-2011, 10:47 AM
^^^Done. Sorry Coach!

ironcoach
07-04-2011, 11:07 AM
^^^Done. Sorry Coach!


Hey! u the man. thanks!

Raging Blue
07-04-2011, 11:25 AM
Coach, how was your relationship with the late UE athletic director Bren Perez? Would things have turned out differently if he was still around, i.e., you, Paul Lee and Ken Acibar would still be with the UE Red Warriors.

ironcoach
07-04-2011, 12:40 PM
Coach, how was your relationship with the late UE athletic director Bren Perez? Would things have turned out differently if he was still around, i.e., you, Paul Lee and Ken Acibar would still be with the UE Red Warriors.


my relationship with mr. perez was both cordial & civil at best, although short-lived. in fact, i was leading in the singing of his birthday song inside his office which, to my shock & disbelief, happened to also be his last day on earth.

nah! with all due respect to the deceased, he would've just sided with the management group and/or the Board that's tasked to handle the affairs of the men's basketball team. im sure he's a team player through and through. wouldn't have hardly made a dent on what had transpired. kung si Mr. Lucio (Bong) Tan Jr. na nga.........

anyway, it should be mr. perez's 2nd death anniversary any day now. May he continue to rest in peace in heaven. and i would like to request the followers and readers of Gameface to include his soul in your prayers in the coming days. thanks.

Raging Blue
07-04-2011, 02:04 PM
Thank you for your reply coach. I sort of expected that. Sir Bren was indeed a nice guy. We shall include him in our prayers.

tulf
07-04-2011, 04:34 PM
to ironcoach, in your opinion whats the difference between a dirty plays and physical plays? did you ever resulted in using both physical and dirty plays? Who would you consider to be a dirty player and dirty team in NCAA, UAAP, and PBA

ironcoach
07-04-2011, 06:48 PM
to ironcoach, in your opinion whats the difference between a dirty plays and physical plays? did you ever resulted in using both physical and dirty plays? Who would you consider to be a dirty player and dirty team in NCAA, UAAP, and PBA


physical plays mean being aggressive thru hardwork, thru athleticism without intentionally trying or wanting anyone to get hurt. no kicking, closed-fist cheap shots and anything below the belt. of course i want my players to play physical at all times but nothing dirty at the same time.

i believe dirty players in any league hardly exist anymore. kung meron man mga isolated incidents nalang like some players losing their cool and basketball ethics due to frustration. kailangan may respeto sa bawat isa ang mga players coz pare-pareho naman silang gustong gawing hanap-buhay or livelihood ang paglalaro ng basketball.

RAINMAN
07-04-2011, 06:58 PM
Hi Coach,

What are your future plans?

Can I join your EB?

Thanks

Rainman

ironcoach
07-04-2011, 08:02 PM
Hi Coach,

What are your future plans?

Can I join your EB?

Thanks

Rainman



im just taking things easy for now. just got back from a 3-week come-what-may trip to the U.S. with Paul Lee & Ken Acibar and im still battling with a terrible jetlag. Was able to recruit a Fil-Am from the East Coast while i was there too. next destination is Jakarta nxt week with a group of guys composed of Alvin Patrimonio, Bobby Jose, Leo Isaac, Joey Sta. Maria & a bunch of basketball buddies for the ASEAN Tournament for 40+ year olds. Will also be on top of the PBA Draft applications of Lee & Acibar when i get back. Then the training camp of the Cobra PBA D-League team opens shop in August.

As far as the EB Event is concerned, just stay tuned for updates that are mostly posted in Pinoy Exchange. If it does materialize, you are definitely more than welcome to go.

alchua
07-04-2011, 10:12 PM
HI,ironcoach...im very proud of you being a fil-chi like me n on what you had achieved. can i ask lng were you able to play in tionglian in ur younger years?are you updated re sa liga natin? may i also know whats your thoughts about the rampant recruitment in our league?n do you have plans in near future to coach or help out in any capacity in tionglian if there's offer? hope you can enlighten me,thanks ironcoach! more power!

ironcoach
07-05-2011, 01:35 AM
HI,ironcoach...im very proud of you being a fil-chi like me n on what you had achieved. can i ask lng were you able to play in tionglian in ur younger years?are you updated re sa liga natin? may i also know whats your thoughts about the rampant recruitment in our league?n do you have plans in near future to coach or help out in any capacity in tionglian if there's offer? hope you can enlighten me,thanks ironcoach! more power!


i played 3 years for Uno High School back in the 80's and still active in their alumni league and the alumni team playing against other Filipino-Chinese schools as well. till today, im still considered as 1 of the best players in school history by my peers. but if i were to gauge everything now to your question with regards to my history, its clear that im a forgotten old fool now to the younger generation. ;)

talk about feeling jurassic. ouch!!! :o

gcc888
07-05-2011, 10:27 AM
^^^ coach, same batch ba kayo ni paul du? Yun yung taga UNO who i remembered na magaling.

ironcoach
07-05-2011, 11:17 AM
^^^ coach, same batch ba kayo ni paul du? Yun yung taga UNO who i remembered na magaling.


im 5-6 years older than Paul Du who's currently the head coach of the NU Lady Bulldogs in the women's UAAP. Paul used to be my player in the defunct Metropolitan Basketball Association (MBA) back in 2002 and again in the National Basketball League (NBL). both leagues are Regional in concept thats you can imagine all the bonding time Paul (more popularly known as Butchoy Du) and i had.

today, we've been teamates in the Uno Alumni League for the past few years so we still get to hangout often. There was also another player back in the early to mid-70's named Elmo Tong, who after graduating from Uno went on to don the DLSU Green Archers jersey. the 3 of us are what you may call prototypes. the 3 of us stand from 6'1-6'2 and can play multiple positions because of our all-around skills. our peers consider us the Big 3 as far as being the all-time greats in school history is concerned. but then today you can also make an argument for another former Unean & current PBA player Gilbert Lao of the Talk & Text team. BTW, i've got 1 trivia question for you: who's the 1991 UAAP Rookie of the Year Awardee??

answer: Paul (Butchoy) Du

alchua
07-05-2011, 01:54 PM
HI,ironcoach...im very proud of you being a fil-chi like me n on what you had achieved. can i ask lng were you able to play in tionglian in ur younger years?are you updated re sa liga natin? may i also know whats your thoughts about the rampant recruitment in our league?n do you have plans in near future to coach or help out in any capacity in tionglian if there's offer? hope you can enlighten me,thanks ironcoach! more power!


i played 3 years for Uno High School back in the 80's and still active in their alumni league and the alumni team playing against other Filipino-Chinese schools as well. till today, im still considered as 1 of the best players in school history by my peers. but if i were to gauge everything now to your question with regards to my history, its clear that im a forgotten old fool now to the younger generation. ;)

talk about feeling jurassic. ouch!!! :o
wow,sikat pala kayo sa TL.thanks for sharing those memories.though i got to know some past sikat na TL payers from my uncles like what you mentioned c paul du n lincoln lim daw.ironcoach,istorbo lng kita,anu masasabi mu sa tionglian nowadays compared to your times n yun isa question ko pala hndi mu nasagot?thanks!

Joescoundrel
07-05-2011, 02:58 PM
^^^ Is that Coach ALFRANCIS CHUA up there...? Pota, dumadami superstar dito sa UE Forum!

lekiboy
07-05-2011, 03:19 PM
answer: Paul (Butchoy) Du



and he was one great RED CUB during our time...

alchua
07-05-2011, 05:41 PM
hndi po,sir joescoundrel...xTL player din yata cya

ironcoach
07-06-2011, 07:20 AM
hndi po,sir joescoundrel...xTL player din yata cya


The tiong lian today as compared to my time is incomparable. Those were the glory days while kids nowadays got too many options as to how to spend their leisure time. I did some TV job for TL 2 seasons ago and quickly noticed the meager attendance as compared to our time.
And the list of differences goes on as far as Fil-Chi kids interest in playing varsity ball for their respective schools. Parents nowadays tend to baby their children too and also because of too many "better things" to do.

duphaR007
07-06-2011, 08:32 AM
coach totoo ba yung sinabi mo sa kabila regarding the amount of admu's offer to ravena?

christian
07-06-2011, 09:44 AM
Mr. Lincoln Lim is also an alumnus of UNO (GS) and CKSC (HS) before wearing the green and white for DLSU and played behind Dindo Pumaren. He still very much active in the alumni leagues of both UNO and CKSC ;)

ironcoach
07-06-2011, 10:44 AM
Mr. Lincoln Lim is also an alumnus of UNO (GS) and CKSC (HS) before wearing the green and white for DLSU and played behind Dindo Pumaren. He still very much active in the alumni leagues of both UNO and CKSC ;)


Of course. Lincoln had been my teamate on several occasions either in alumni or commercial leagues in the past. But our peers, especially those in the basketball community would always consider him a CKSC alumnus, having played all his TL stint donning the CKSC colors. Even in inter-school alumni leagues until today, he has never suited up for UNO High School.

alchua
07-06-2011, 11:15 AM
Mr. Lincoln Lim is also an alumnus of UNO (GS) and CKSC (HS) before wearing the green and white for DLSU and played behind Dindo Pumaren. He still very much active in the alumni leagues of both UNO and CKSC ;)


Of course. Lincoln had been my teamate on several occasions either in alumni or commercial leagues in the past. But our peers, especially those in the basketball community would always consider him a CKSC alumnus, having played all his TL stint donning the CKSC colors. Even in inter-school alumni leagues until today, he has never suited up for UNO High School.
tnx for your reply,ironcoach..coach during your playing years in TL,did cksc n hope recruited fil players to beef up their teams n now lately almost their whole team na puro fil players.what is your take in this situation now happening in TL,wherein a lots of cksc homegrowns kids after playing in aspirants level didnt have chance to go up into their juniors team,kc i heard sa cksc team B pa lng puno na puro fil players. i think you are in best position to answer this,kc i noticed during your stint as ue coach,wala kayo foreign players like those african.khit uso na sa iba teams ang meron african players.n coz of your courage in answering questions here in this thread as well.

ironcoach
07-06-2011, 11:31 AM
coach totoo ba yung sinabi mo sa kabila regarding the amount of admu's offer to ravena?


huwag na nating balikan yang issue na yan. it seems like a lot of people are not yet prepared to handle or swallow these kinds of developments. facts and figures are just being converted into intrigues and chaos.

ironcoach
07-06-2011, 11:54 AM
Mr. Lincoln Lim is also an alumnus of UNO (GS) and CKSC (HS) before wearing the green and white for DLSU and played behind Dindo Pumaren. He still very much active in the alumni leagues of both UNO and CKSC ;)


Of course. Lincoln had been my teamate on several occasions either in alumni or commercial leagues in the past. But our peers, especially those in the basketball community would always consider him a CKSC alumnus, having played all his TL stint donning the CKSC colors. Even in inter-school alumni leagues until today, he has never suited up for UNO High School.
tnx for your reply,ironcoach..coach during your playing years in TL,did cksc n hope recruited fil players to beef up their teams n now lately almost their whole team na puro fil players.what is your take in this situation now happening in TL,wherein a lots of cksc homegrowns kids after playing in aspirants level didnt have chance to go up into their juniors team,kc i heard sa cksc team B pa lng puno na puro fil players. i think you are in best position to answer this,kc i noticed during your stint as ue coach,wala kayo foreign players like those african.khit uso na sa iba teams ang meron african players.n coz of your courage in answering questions here in this thread as well.


back in my time, Hope Christian recruited a player named Eddie Go (later on, he was better known as Eddie Aggarao in the commercial league circuits). the thing that caught my attention about this fellow was he was listed as an 18 year old pero nasa grade 5 lang siya. he was so-so nung rookie year niya but Hope won the TL championship that year. pero nung 2nd & 3rd year niya sa TL, he was just going berserk and scoring in the 30's & 40's in every game he played. he led Hope to another TL title on his 3rd year too.

maraming bulung-bulungan at that time regarding his real identity, kung totoo bang Go ang family name niya or gawa-gawa lang, his birthdate was suspect too coz he seemed to look older than what his birthdate showed. but then at that time, i guess nobody raised a howl and hindi pa sophisticated ang mga pamamaraan for anyone to dig for truths.

personally, i've got nothing against foreigners sa collegiate leagues and pure-Pinoys sa TL league. In everything naman, just like in basketball, what needs to be scrutinized, amended or revised, are the rules and regulations, by-laws and technicalities. What can anyone do if so and so is allowed or not allowed in a particular organization???

in these days and times mas lalo na, i don't think anyone would want to raise the issue about RACE. Supposedly kasi di ba unacceptable na ang discrimination in modern times?? what do you think?

ironcoach
07-06-2011, 12:00 PM
Mr. Lincoln Lim is also an alumnus of UNO (GS) and CKSC (HS) before wearing the green and white for DLSU and played behind Dindo Pumaren. He still very much active in the alumni leagues of both UNO and CKSC ;)


Of course. Lincoln had been my teamate on several occasions either in alumni or commercial leagues in the past. But our peers, especially those in the basketball community would always consider him a CKSC alumnus, having played all his TL stint donning the CKSC colors. Even in inter-school alumni leagues until today, he has never suited up for UNO High School.
tnx for your reply,ironcoach..coach during your playing years in TL,did cksc n hope recruited fil players to beef up their teams n now lately almost their whole team na puro fil players.what is your take in this situation now happening in TL,wherein a lots of cksc homegrowns kids after playing in aspirants level didnt have chance to go up into their juniors team,kc i heard sa cksc team B pa lng puno na puro fil players. i think you are in best position to answer this,kc i noticed during your stint as ue coach,wala kayo foreign players like those african.khit uso na sa iba teams ang meron african players.n coz of your courage in answering questions here in this thread as well.


back in my time, Hope Christian recruited a player named Eddie Go (later on, he was better known as Eddie Aggarao in the commercial league circuits). the thing that caught my attention about this fellow was he was listed as an 18 year old pero nasa grade 5 lang siya. he was so-so nung rookie year niya but Hope won the TL championship that year. pero nung 2nd & 3rd year niya sa TL, he was just going berserk and scoring in the 30's & 40's in every game he played. he led Hope to another TL title on his 3rd year too.

maraming bulung-bulungan at that time regarding his real identity, kung totoo bang Go ang family name niya or gawa-gawa lang, his birthdate was suspect too coz he seemed to look older than what his birthdate showed. but then at that time, i guess nobody raised a howl and hindi pa sophisticated ang mga pamamaraan for anyone to dig for truths.

personally, i've got nothing against foreigners sa collegiate leagues and pure-Pinoys sa TL league. In everything naman, just like in basketball, what needs to be scrutinized, amended or revised, are the rules and regulations, by-laws and technicalities. What can anyone do if so and so is allowed or not allowed in a particular organization???

in these days and times mas lalo na, i don't think anyone would want to raise the issue about RACE. Supposedly kasi di ba unacceptable na ang discrimination in modern times?? what do you think?

alchua
07-06-2011, 12:49 PM
Mr. Lincoln Lim is also an alumnus of UNO (GS) and CKSC (HS) before wearing the green and white for DLSU and played behind Dindo Pumaren. He still very much active in the alumni leagues of both UNO and CKSC ;)


Of course. Lincoln had been my teamate on several occasions either in alumni or commercial leagues in the past. But our peers, especially those in the basketball community would always consider him a CKSC alumnus, having played all his TL stint donning the CKSC colors. Even in inter-school alumni leagues until today, he has never suited up for UNO High School.
tnx for your reply,ironcoach..coach during your playing years in TL,did cksc n hope recruited fil players to beef up their teams n now lately almost their whole team na puro fil players.what is your take in this situation now happening in TL,wherein a lots of cksc homegrowns kids after playing in aspirants level didnt have chance to go up into their juniors team,kc i heard sa cksc team B pa lng puno na puro fil players. i think you are in best position to answer this,kc i noticed during your stint as ue coach,wala kayo foreign players like those african.khit uso na sa iba teams ang meron african players.n coz of your courage in answering questions here in this thread as well.


back in my time, Hope Christian recruited a player named Eddie Go (later on, he was better known as Eddie Aggarao in the commercial league circuits). the thing that caught my attention about this fellow was he was listed as an 18 year old pero nasa grade 5 lang siya. he was so-so nung rookie year niya but Hope won the TL championship that year. pero nung 2nd & 3rd year niya sa TL, he was just going berserk and scoring in the 30's & 40's in every game he played. he led Hope to another TL title on his 3rd year too.

maraming bulung-bulungan at that time regarding his real identity, kung totoo bang Go ang family name niya or gawa-gawa lang, his birthdate was suspect too coz he seemed to look older than what his birthdate showed. but then at that time, i guess nobody raised a howl and hindi pa sophisticated ang mga pamamaraan for anyone to dig for truths.

personally, i've got nothing against foreigners sa collegiate leagues and pure-Pinoys sa TL league. In everything naman, just like in basketball, what needs to be scrutinized, amended or revised, are the rules and regulations, by-laws and technicalities. What can anyone do if so and so is allowed or not allowed in a particular organization???

in these days and times mas lalo na, i don't think anyone would want to raise the issue about RACE. Supposedly kasi di ba unacceptable na ang discrimination in modern times?? what do you think?
YA,ironcoach...i think the league should amended or revised the rules.just like in uaap where in two imports will only be allow in a team,kundi those rich teams like ateneo n lasalle,e d pure americans na i field nila. kc marami ako ka batch who after playing in aspi was ask to be in team B muna,there they are being used as sparring mates ng pinoy recruits servin residency.after two yrs.of using them,nung 4th year kmi,tinangal sila sa team B,kc it dont serve the purpose of putting them in team B coz 4th year na sila. dont you think may injustice nangyari dito?
btw rin pala,e d nung naglalaro kayo sa TL,sa cksc c sunny co na coach?i heard more than 20yrs na cya sa pwesto?isnt it too long?under ka b kay coach lipa nung uno kayo?

ironcoach
07-06-2011, 01:21 PM
Injustices only happen when we allow it to. in basketball, at the end of the day, it all boils down to talent regardless of race. im sure if your friends who toiled in team B were in the caliber of a Jeron or Jeric Teng, or maybe a Justin Chua, for sure they'll be in the team A line-up.
Your clamor for a pure-chinese or a 2 pure-Fil max per team line-up could be a different issue altogether.
ibang usapan if you can look people in the eye and say that your friends are way better than their pure-Pinoy counterparts.

ironcoach
07-06-2011, 01:45 PM
my last year at Uno came 3 years before they hired coach Lipa and 4 years before coach Sunny took over the coaching chores at CKSC.

i will only answer 2-3 more questions nalang re: the Tiong Lian League ha. i believe that you have a separate thread for that. but i would like to take this opportunity to beg for your indulgence & give an unsolicited, fatherly advise to all the members over at the TL thread.
i was able to wander through your thread every once in a while and i noticed all the arguing, name-calling, brick-throwing, character-assasinating, full of anger and hate going on in your thread. i assume most, if not all, the contributors there are in their high school years and i just thought that it is quite alarming for kids like you to possess all those venoms in your mouths and poisons in your brains.

this is your time. time to learn, time to grow, time to enjoy, time to make friends and time to start becoming decent, educated, kind-hearted & responsible young adults. do your part and contribute your share for a better and more peaceful tomorrow. remember, everyone is counting on today's youth for that to happen. Peace.

naz-T
07-06-2011, 03:43 PM
Amen¡!¡! parang nagbago na ng career si ironcoach! Dapat na rin ata mag change nick ka to ironpastor? Ironpriest? Hehehe peace :-)




my last year at Uno came 3 years before they hired coach Lipa and 4 years before coach Sunny took over the coaching chores at CKSC.

i will only answer 2-3 more questions nalang re: the Tiong Lian League ha. i believe that you have a separate thread for that. but i would like to take this opportunity to beg for your indulgence & give an unsolicited, fatherly advise to all the members over at the TL thread.
i was able to wander through your thread every once in a while and i noticed all the arguing, name-calling, brick-throwing, character-assasinating, full of anger and hate going on in your thread. i assume most, if not all, the contributors there are in their high school years and i just thought that it is quite alarming for kids like you to possess all those venoms in your mouths and poisons in your brains.

this is your time. time to learn, time to grow, time to enjoy, time to make friends and time to start becoming decent, educated, kind-hearted & responsible young adults. do your part and contribute your share for a better and more peaceful tomorrow. remember, everyone is counting on today's youth for that to happen. Peace.

ironcoach
07-06-2011, 04:30 PM
[quote=naz-T ]
Amen¡!¡! parang nagbago na ng career si ironcoach! Dapat na rin ata mag change nick ka to ironpastor? Ironpriest? Hehehe peace :-)

The Tiong Lian Basketball Association is a high school league so i assume all the members of their thread are teenagers. Filipino-Chinese kids of my son's age. All im trying to do is maybe give my 10 cents worth of advice for them to retain the innocence of their youth, sans all the angst, hatred and foul attitude towards mankind all just because of a silly game of high school basketball...that is kung makikinig lang naman sila. its difficult for a father like me to notice this and then do or say nothing about it. kapag maging erpats ka narin someday im sure maiintindihan mo what i mean.

alchua
07-07-2011, 08:35 AM
[quote=naz-T ]
Amen¡!¡! parang nagbago na ng career si ironcoach! Dapat na rin ata mag change nick ka to ironpastor? Ironpriest? Hehehe peace :-)

The Tiong Lian Basketball Association is a high school league so i assume all the members of their thread are teenagers. Filipino-Chinese kids of my son's age. All im trying to do is maybe give my 10 cents worth of advice for them to retain the innocence of their youth, sans all the angst, hatred and foul attitude towards mankind all just because of a silly game of high school basketball...that is kung makikinig lang naman sila. its difficult for a father like me to notice this and then do or say nothing about it. kapag maging erpats ka narin someday im sure maiintindihan mo what i mean.

HI COACH,very well said,thanks for your advice.tama ka sa mga sinabi mu.we,the youth are the future.thru you i learned more about the past of TL.and this is last piece ill write here n sencya na sa istorbo. coach sori magsalita lng ako ng konti. coach as you say, youth like us should be not act that way.pero coach,how about the supposed elders?isnt it they should be the one defending us,giving us the chance n develop us at par with others. i supposed you have a good playing career at uno n coaching career as well,you are 1 of the fortunate few that were given the chance n not to take anything from you,pinaghirapang mu rin yan.pero not all kids have the opportunity like yours,like in cksc wherein we have 4k to 5k students,dito pa lng patayan na kmi.anu pa kaya,kun yun mga people handling the ball program nakatingin na sa gate waiting for those recruits instead of developing us.you had play in TL,as i know the very objective of the those founders was to make this as a steping stone for fil-chi kids like us to reach the next level.i dont know during your times may fed cup,ito rin financed by fil-chi assn to give fil-chi athletes the venue to excel,but what did they do?they deprive the fil-chi kids para lng manalo for their own glory.isnt it manipulating our innocence n helpless?coach you dont know the feeling being deprived.kaya as you say in TL thread,grabe ang banatan dyan pero im not doing it.but i understand the situation e,marami na galit e.as they say" kapag puno na ang salop". sori coach if i have say anything wrong,you will always be 1 of the fil-chi im proud of.more power!

ironcoach
07-07-2011, 10:45 AM
may i ask you 1st why the name alchua?? i find it awkward to be chatting with you kasi. ;)

you know, with regards to your prior post about how the elders should know better and should be the ones looking out after the betterment of the younger generation, well... THAT DOESN'T HOLD TRUE IN MOST INSTANCES.

a lot of the older generation people, including my generation, still couldn't quite grasp the fact that the youth of today is a lot smarter & ingenious as compared to guys my age and older. the sad part in our Filipino=Chinese culture is that the elder ones should, more often than not, ANG DAPAT MASUNOD.

in our family alone, i have to constantly remind my parents to give their ONLY grandson (who's graduating from college soon) some leeway & RESPECT as far as his interest, his beliefs, his wants, his needs & his opinions are concerned. The best approach really is for the older guys to nurture & develop the youth of today. but it also takes a lot of patience and wisdom to achieve that.

One good example is the KENNETH ACIBAR ISSUE with the UE basketball team. The coaches & management over there kicked him off the team, despite Acibar's achievements & credentials and importance to the team, citing "attitude problem" & disrespect for persons in authority as their reasons. During my time at UE, its not as if i didn't have my share of HEADACHES (Acibar included) then. But you see, the key to all of these is HOW THE OLDER ONES manage & control AND EVENTUALLY, solve and resolve these issues.

By kicking Acibar off the team, who eventually benefitted??? im sure not Acibar...but neither did UE. And thats what im trying to share and impart to you guys. Everybody grows OLD but what really matters is how we AGE. We're the ones making the crucial decisions for the younger guys so its of utmost importance that we.....DON'T DROP THE BALL.

yungha
07-07-2011, 11:08 AM
coach, for a player like with a lot of options like paul lee for example, what are the best salaries he could get from a PBA rookie contract vs smart gilas vs philippine patriots in the ABL? did he ever consider playing for gilas?

ironcoach
07-07-2011, 11:25 AM
Gilas (Toroman and Eala craved for Paul 2 years ago but i thought their offer to Paul paled in comparison to the likes of Chris tiu & Andy Barroca that is why I turned it down. The Patriots and I have been discussing in the past couple of months about the possibility of me, Paul & Kenneth Acibar joining forces at the Patriots camp but till this day, everyone still seems to be fickle-minded about it.

From what i understand, the maximum contract of a rookie top pick(s) is 8.55M-9.0M over 3 years (win-game bonuses and allowances not yet included).

Joescoundrel
07-08-2011, 08:36 AM
Coach, may toma mamaya, sama ka, will PM you the details.

ironcoach
07-08-2011, 01:53 PM
Coach, may toma mamaya, sama ka, will PM you the details.


try ko humabol mga past 9pm. nandun pa kaya kayo nun?

bchoter
07-08-2011, 03:24 PM
Coach, may toma mamaya, sama ka, will PM you the details.
Sana sa next time thursday naman :(

gcc888
07-13-2011, 11:09 AM
Coach, is Pari Llagas related to ex-pro Armoni Llagas? Medyo makahawig din sila

ironcoach
07-13-2011, 11:27 AM
Coach, is Pari Llagas related to ex-pro Armoni Llagas? Medyo makahawig din sila


No idea.

Joescoundrel
07-13-2011, 01:25 PM
Coach, when Elmer Espiritu was making an alley-hoop dunk every game, I thought it was because there were staggered screens freeing him up from the high post all along the baseline. But then again that was not always how he found himself freee for those spectacular dunks. He always seemed to move so well without the ball and his freakish athletic ability took care of everything else.

How did he get all those alley-hoop dunks?

japeekoi
07-13-2011, 09:16 PM
goodluck UE in your first match for this season!!
iba padin ang panalo sa first game!!

ironcoach
07-14-2011, 11:00 AM
Coach, when Elmer Espiritu was making an alley-hoop dunk every game, I thought it was because there were staggered screens freeing him up from the high post all along the baseline. But then again that was not always how he found himself freee for those spectacular dunks. He always seemed to move so well without the ball and his freakish athletic ability took care of everything else.

How did he get all those alley-hoop dunks?


It is off a back-pick set up for leapers like elmer e. & ken acibar from the corner, and off an opponents zone defense only. And it's taken from a page in the playbook of my predecessor. As the saying goes...if it ain't broke, why fix it?? ;)

redlampard
07-14-2011, 11:08 AM
Coach,

UP vs. UE today? Sino kaya mananalo sa tingin nyo? :D

BedanRoar
07-14-2011, 01:27 PM
Parang ginawa mo nang manghuhula si ironcoach :o ;D by the way coach, anong number lalabas sa lotto bukas ;D ;D ;D

bluewing
07-15-2011, 10:26 AM
coach, strikto ka ba sa mga player mo pagdating sa bisyo? specifically yung inom at yosi.

kung oo, di ka ba nila hinihiritan ng "e ikaw, coach? bakit umiinom at nagyoyosi ka?"

kung ganun, ano naman ang reply mo sa kanila?

on a related note, ano ang poison of choice mo sa inuman? at ano rin ang paborito mong brand ng yosi?


salamat, coach.

actionscript
07-21-2011, 04:01 PM
^^ Baka hindi strict sa inom at yosi si coach. Yung may-ari nila inom at yosi magnate eh. ;)

ironcoach
07-26-2011, 01:15 PM
Nama-mahalan na nga sa P14,000 per month na allowance ni Betayene (player pa yan na mag-lalaro sa loob ng court), what more sa magiging asking price ni Jawo. (may nag-suggest dun sa kabilang page na si Jawo nalang daw kunin na coach)

ironcoach
07-26-2011, 02:09 PM
Next year pa (season 75) pwede si Betayene. Yung Don Trollano, Gian Abrigo at Ritz Cagalawan yung ila-line up ko na dapat this season. Ang tanong eh kung bakit inayawan yung 6'5 na si Kit Rosopa, 6'6 Ivan Hernandez, 6'5 Ken Acibar and 6'4 Sam Razon. Plus Javier, De Leon, Santos and Duran, plus Trollano, sana 9 out of 16 in their line-up would've been 6'3 pataas.
Kung bakit sila maliliit this season, kagustuhan at kagagawan din nila yan.

Royal Forest
07-26-2011, 02:30 PM
Coach, sa Impact Las Vegas mo ba dinala si Lee at si Acibar? What's the main difference between their L.A. and Las Vegas location? And why did you choose this camp over the one that the La Salle players always go to (AA in Chicago)? Sorry sa daming tanong. Thanks in advance.

ironcoach
07-26-2011, 02:53 PM
Coach, sa Impact Las Vegas mo ba dinala si Lee at si Acibar? What's the main difference between their L.A. and Las Vegas location? And why did you choose this camp over the one that the La Salle players always go to (AA in Chicago)? Sorry sa daming tanong. Thanks in advance.


To be real honest with you, logistics & dollar and cents had got a lot to do with my decision-making here also. L.A. & Las Vegas are just 1 direct flight away via Philippine Airlines. To go to Chicago or maybe Indiana (N.U.'s destination of choice) would incur additional expenses, not to mention time and exertion of effort to fly to the East Coast.
But after bringing the UE team to the Abunnasar Camp twice in 2 years, i can honestly say that Joe Abunnasar runs one of the best, if not THE best basketball camp in the United States.
They are mabusisi even to the minutest of details. Skills, strength and conditioning are their main area of expertise. The daily training akala mo prayer meeting. Nobody fools around. All the players go back to the hotel dead-tired at the end of the day. Its a daily 9am to 3pm grind.

ironcoach
07-26-2011, 05:51 PM
Coach, sa Impact Las Vegas mo ba dinala si Lee at si Acibar? What's the main difference between their L.A. and Las Vegas location? And why did you choose this camp over the one that the La Salle players always go to (AA in Chicago)? Sorry sa daming tanong. Thanks in advance.


If you're looking for a more hands-on and detailed training for neophytes and the younger players, IMPACT Los Angeles has the more sophisticated program more suited for younger players and team training. But if you're looking for a more advanced, maintenance-type and semi-pro individualized training, then IMPACT Las Vegas is the place for that.
In our trip to Vegas last month, both Lee & Acibar were able to run with a bunch of NBA Draft hopefuls. I thought that it made better sense to make the 2 guys undergo pro-style training coz of their maturity and talent level. It even crossed my mind for a while to make Paul Lee apply for the NBA Draft coz i saw how he can compete with those guys. Ang question ko nalang if masu-sustain ba ng strength & conditioning niya yung strength and athleticism ng mga Americano. Pwede siguro yon kung ako pari magiging coach niya. Ang buhay kasi ng isang player eh nagmumula sa kumpiyansa at playing time na ina-accord ng coach niya.

naz-T
07-27-2011, 06:22 PM
coach,

anong assessment mo sa laro ng UE after 4 games??

ironcoach
07-29-2011, 04:32 AM
coach,

anong assessment mo sa laro ng UE after 4 games??


After 5 games, i don't see anything to assess. The players' body language speaks for themselves.

BedanRoar
07-29-2011, 07:55 AM
coach,

anong assessment mo sa laro ng UE after 4 games??


After 5 games, i don't see anything to assess. The players' body language speaks for themselves.


Unless UE has any good recruits taking residency now and/or they can secure a HS Super Rookie. This situation may carry over the next season! IMHO

animo
07-29-2011, 09:14 AM
i wonder what the ue admin has to say now after deciding not to renew ironchoach's contract?

sayang si javier

Joescoundrel
07-29-2011, 10:14 AM
"Rebuilding" is one thing, but what happened to the UE roster in the offseason can be mroe accurately described as "ethnic cleansing" with the way that ax was swung hither and yon.

Losing Paul Lee was more or less expected.

Letting go of Ken Acibar and Don Trollano and Henri Beteyane was simply ... let's just call it silly ...

Unless Coach Jerry Codinera has some kind of 6-foot-9 African or Sudan Daniel-clone hidden somewhere, I fully agree with one of the above posts that this sorry state of affairs will likely carry over into next year.

The bottomline is that a team needs talent to win. It just plain makes the coach's job easier when he has talented players. How hard do you think Norman Black has to exert himself when he has Greg Slaughter, Kiefer Ravena, Kirk Long, Nico Salva and Eman Monfort on his roster? If he still had Ryan Buenafe and was able to land Rey Parks as originally planned this would have been the most boring title run in UAAP history.

ironcoach
07-29-2011, 11:12 AM
[quote=Joescoundrel ]
"Rebuilding" is one thing, but what happened to the UE roster in the offseason can be mroe accurately described as "ethnic cleansing" with the way that ax was swung hither and yon.

Losing Paul Lee was more or less expected.

Paul Lee would've DEFINITELY played this season if only his request of not making a coaching change been granted. May mga nag-post sa Pex about him being a swellhead for making demands to the UE (mis)management. Sana maging lesson ito sa lahat ng mahihilig sa basketball...players win games. Not much the coach and definitely not the management, not the student council, not the faculty members, not the employees association and not the alumni association. I would've listened to Paul Lee more than any of these clowns.

And what if i tell you that i can make Paul Lee play for UE next season??? I don't see any high school senior or college transferee all over the Philippines that will be half as good as Paul Lee within the next 3 years so UE, if it is really sincere in wanting to win games to satisfy its fans and supporters and marunong mahiya sa sarili by not killing its basketball program...they should move heaven and earth, kneel down if they have to, and make sure Paul Lee comes back next season. Believe me...its their only hope.

ironcoach
07-29-2011, 11:22 AM
[quote=animo ]
i wonder what the ue admin has to say now after deciding not to renew ironchoach's contract?

The way those people think...for sure maghahanap o mang-iimbento pa yan ng kwento o alibi in order to justify the mess they've done. From the day i was replaced until nung bago sila mag 0-5 kahapon, lahat nalang parati silang tama and they have the support pa of the whole UE community. Kaya nga im sure na kahit pa mag 0-14 pa yan, tama parin sila and makakatulog parin ng mahihimbing ang mga yan sa gabi. The fate of UE basketball had been left to the wrong hands (hearts).

ironcoach
07-29-2011, 11:36 AM
Nabasa ko yung interview kay leo austria sa kabilang page. Sabi daw niya "aanhin pa nila yung talunin ang malalakas na team, kung matatalo din lang sa UE". So it means whipping boys din nga ang tingin ng mahuhusay na coaches sa UE ngayon. Less than 3 weeks ago pa lang nag-umpisa ang UAAP tapos "nothing to lose" na ang description nila sa UE team.

Ang sarap sana patahimikin ni leo austria noh! Kaso pano yan.

The_Big_Cat
07-29-2011, 12:18 PM
I heard one of the commentators from the replay last night say "You can't coach when can't recruit".
Aray ko Jerry! ;D

ironcoach
07-29-2011, 12:40 PM
I heard one of the commentators from the replay last night say "You can't coach when can't recruit".
Aray ko Jerry! ;D


Hindi pa sana magiging issue ang recruiting this season if they were able to keep Paul Lee, Ken Acibar, Kit Rosopa, Don Trollano, Gian Abrigo then continue in developing Sam Razon. Tapos may 6'7 Cameroonian Henri Betayene pa ready to play next season. What could have been kung hindi lang nagdunung-dunungan ang hindi naman marurunong.
What they've done...posibleng pagbayaran nila ng ilang generation uli yan. Not just a few years.

oca
07-29-2011, 01:33 PM
I heard one of the commentators from the replay last night say "You can't coach when can't recruit".
Aray ko Jerry! ;D


Not exactly true.... Sino yung dating coach ng ng Adamson na nagdala ng de-kalibreng recruits pero winless din ang kinalabasan?

razor
07-29-2011, 01:53 PM
I heard one of the commentators from the replay last night say "You can't coach when can't recruit".
Aray ko Jerry! ;D


Not exactly true.... Sino yung dating coach ng ng Adamson na nagdala ng de-kalibreng recruits pero winless din ang kinalabasan?





I heard that "You can't coach when you can't recruit" line from that Adamson coach himself in one of the coverages.

oca
07-29-2011, 02:23 PM
I heard one of the commentators from the replay last night say "You can't coach when can't recruit".
Aray ko Jerry! ;D


Not exactly true.... Sino yung dating coach ng ng Adamson na nagdala ng de-kalibreng recruits pero winless din ang kinalabasan?





I heard that "You can't coach when you can't recruit" line from that Adamson coach himself in one of the coverages.



That's the hallmark of fools, di nila alam na yung sinasabi nila ay babalik sa kanila! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

ironcoach
07-29-2011, 02:34 PM
I heard that "You can't coach when you can't recruit" line from that Adamson coach himself in one of the coverages.



That's the hallmark of fools, di nila alam na yung sinasabi nila ay babalik sa kanila! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Si Luigi Trillo. Hahaha! Salbahe kayo.

maroonmartian
07-29-2011, 03:31 PM
Bitter siguro dahil hindi nakasama sa glory ng team. Yun Adamson current roster ngayon karamihan niyan di blue chip e.

OT:
Coach, do you think 0-14 ang UE?

ironcoach
07-29-2011, 03:47 PM
Bitter siguro dahil hindi nakasama sa glory ng team. Yun Adamson current roster ngayon karamihan niyan di blue chip e.

OT:
Coach, do you think 0-14 ang UE?


Hard to say. Bilog ang bola and hindi naman mga paraplegic ang mga players ng UE. They also trained, lifted weights, did conditioning and strengthening regimens. And they're also basketball players just like all their counterparts. Work hard and pray hard lang. May awa ang Diyos.

red_engr1987
07-29-2011, 03:48 PM
Bitter siguro dahil hindi nakasama sa glory ng team. Yun Adamson current roster ngayon karamihan niyan di blue chip e.

OT:
Coach, do you think 0-14 ang UE?


ironcoach don't answer the questions, let Coach Jerry and the UE RW team answer that question :(
but we can see signs that we are getting closer to 0 -14

naz-T
07-29-2011, 09:07 PM
coach,

anong assessment mo sa laro ng UE after 4 games??


After 5 games, i don't see anything to assess. The players' body language speaks for themselves.


Unless UE has any good recruits taking residency now and/or they can secure a HS Super Rookie. This situation may carry over the next season! IMHO


Meron na ba HS Super Rookie na nakakapagdala talaga ng college team na mag isa lang? malaking bagay rin ang supporting cast niya. My opinion is kahit na Super Rookie talaga yan, kahit 2 pa yan na galing HS, mahirap ata buhatin ang buong team sa panalo lalo kung 18 year old ka lang na galing HS at naglalaro sa college league na maraming more than 20 year old players.

naz-T
07-29-2011, 09:13 PM
[quote=animo ]
i wonder what the ue admin has to say now after deciding not to renew ironchoach's contract?

The way those people think...for sure maghahanap o mang-iimbento pa yan ng kwento o alibi in order to justify the mess they've done. From the day i was replaced until nung bago sila mag 0-5 kahapon, lahat nalang parati silang tama and they have the support pa of the whole UE community. Kaya nga im sure na kahit pa mag 0-14 pa yan, tama parin sila and makakatulog parin ng mahihimbing ang mga yan sa gabi. The fate of UE basketball had been left to the wrong hands (hearts).


I agree with ironcoach dito, I dont think tatanggapin ng management na mali sila sa pag palit ng coach. siguradong gagawa ng iba ibang excuses yan para matakpan nila. Madaming beses na nangyari yan sa iba ibang management, ibang schools and universities. Nagpalit ng coach, tapos yung pumalit na akala nila tagapag ligtas nila, mas masama pa ang pinakita kesa pinalitan nila. pero may management or school na ba na umamin na nagkamali? lagi yan may dahilan, rebuilding o kahit anong palusot pa. di nila matatanggap na mali ang pagpalit nila.

naz-T
07-29-2011, 09:22 PM
I heard one of the commentators from the replay last night say "You can't coach when can't recruit".
Aray ko Jerry! ;D


Hindi pa sana magiging issue ang recruiting this season if they were able to keep Paul Lee, Ken Acibar, Kit Rosopa, Don Trollano, Gian Abrigo then continue in developing Sam Razon. Tapos may 6'7 Cameroonian Henri Betayene pa ready to play next season. What could have been kung hindi lang nagdunung-dunungan ang hindi naman marurunong.
What they've done...posibleng pagbayaran nila ng ilang generation uli yan. Not just a few years.


Agree ako uli dito kay ironcoach, usually hindi agad mag suffer ang isang team na nagpalit ng coach, lalo na ang team na galing sa panalo. Dapat lang hindi muna guluhin o babuyin ng coach ang line up na naiwan. wag na magmatigas na ayaw sa mga players ng former coach. dahil yung coach ang bago, siya dapat muna siguro makiramdam sa team at siguro may natitirang chamba pa ang team.

Like when Vergel Meneses took over JRU, hindi naman niya masyado binago ang line up na naiwan. kaya nakapasok pa rin siya ng final 4 on his first season as head coach, kahit na obvious naman na bagito ang diskarte niya. Ngayon lang lumalabas ang pagkakulang niya sa experience kasi nagpagtatalo na siya.

Kaya nakakagulat ang ginawa ni coach jerry na pag alis sa mga beterano ng UE, ayun sa awa ng diyos, may chance siya baliktarin ang record ni coach dindo sa elimination round na sweep.

ironcoach
07-29-2011, 10:54 PM
Meron na ba HS Super Rookie na nakakapagdala talaga ng college team na mag isa lang? malaking bagay rin ang supporting cast niya. My opinion is kahit na Super Rookie talaga yan, kahit 2 pa yan na galing HS, mahirap ata buhatin ang buong team sa panalo lalo kung 18 year old ka lang na galing HS at naglalaro sa college league na maraming more than 20 year old players.
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AND ASSUMING MAY SUPER ROOKIE NGA ANYWHERE SA APAT NA SULOK NG PILIPINAS....SA PALAGAY MO BA PUPUNTA YAN NG UE?? NGAYON PA???

ironcoach
07-29-2011, 11:01 PM
I agree with ironcoach dito, I dont think tatanggapin ng management na mali sila sa pag palit ng coach. siguradong gagawa ng iba ibang excuses yan para matakpan nila. Madaming beses na nangyari yan sa iba ibang management, ibang schools and universities. Nagpalit ng coach, tapos yung pumalit na akala nila tagapag ligtas nila, mas masama pa ang pinakita kesa pinalitan nila. pero may management or school na ba na umamin na nagkamali? lagi yan may dahilan, rebuilding o kahit anong palusot pa. di nila matatanggap na mali ang pagpalit nila.


ANG ISANG MASAKLAP NA POSSIBILTY PA NYAN, BAKA SA AKIN PA ISISI O IMBENTUHAN AKO NG KASALANAN MAPAG-TAKPAN LANG ANG KAPALPAKAN NILA. YUNG INABONO KO NGA SA PAGKAIN NG TEAM FOR MORE THAN A YEAR, HINDI NA NGA AKO BINAYARAN, GUSTO PANG PALABASIN NA DUMISPALKO AKO NG PERA. SCARY PEOPLE.

oca
07-30-2011, 06:50 AM
Just on the point of spending for the meals of the players- May we know if you gave prior notice that you will advance the payment for their meals and those in authority agreed to reimburse you later? Sino nakausap mo at anong patunay na sinabing ibabalik ang ginastos mo?

Kung nagmagandang loob ka na magpaluwal ng pera na walang kaukulang kasunduan na ibabalik ng pamantasan ang ginastos mo, kung walang prior agreement, wala ka talagang makukuha o masisingil.

Hindi pwedeng magbuhos ng pera ang paaralan sa ilang athletes na walang pagtutol mula sa academic personnel. Hindi rin pwedeng bigyan ng mas malaking budget ang isang sport at tipirin ang iba.

Marapat na maging patas ang administration sa mga academic personnel at sa ibang athletes sa ibang sport. Kung ano ang aprubadong budget ng pamantasan para sa isang sport, yung budget lang na iyon ang paghuhugutan nila ng pera.

Kaya nga may mga boosters dahil kailan man ay hindi naging sapat ang budget ng pamantasan para maging matagumpay ang isang sports program.

In the absence of a prior agreement, the most you can get in return is a "Thank You." If even that they didn't give you -- Aba bastos sila!

Iba yung bastos sa balasubas, yung nabastos at nabalasubas. Pero either way, di tamang gawin yun sa iyo o kahit kanino.

BedanRoar
07-30-2011, 08:36 AM
coach,

anong assessment mo sa laro ng UE after 4 games??


After 5 games, i don't see anything to assess. The players' body language speaks for themselves.


Unless UE has any good recruits taking residency now and/or they can secure a HS Super Rookie. This situation may carry over the next season! IMHO


Meron na ba HS Super Rookie na nakakapagdala talaga ng college team na mag isa lang? malaking bagay rin ang supporting cast niya. My opinion is kahit na Super Rookie talaga yan, kahit 2 pa yan na galing HS, mahirap ata buhatin ang buong team sa panalo lalo kung 18 year old ka lang na galing HS at naglalaro sa college league na maraming more than 20 year old players.


Of course, a Super Rookie or one Good recruit won't be expected to bring the team outright sa F4. Eventually, rebuilding a competitive team is easier. But, stick to the current Line-up. You'll know what to expect in the next season/s.

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 09:26 AM
Just on the point of spending for the meals of the players- May we know if you gave prior notice that you will advance the payment for their meals and those in authority agreed to reimburse you later? Sino nakausap mo at anong patunay na sinabing ibabalik ang ginastos mo?
In the absence of a prior agreement, the most you can get in return is a "Thank You." If even that they didn't give you -- Aba bastos sila!

Iba yung bastos sa balasubas, yung nabastos at nabalasubas. Pero either way, di tamang gawin yun sa iyo o kahit kanino.


Kalakaran na namin ng office ng team manager ang i-reimburse ang lahat ng abono ko for the team. Tulad nalang ng mga passports ng ilang mga players, for medicines, tuwing kuma-kain ang team sa labas, para sa mga supplies like ankle tapes, whiteboard markers, etc. Niri-reimburse nila ako.
The school spends mga 1.3M per year just for the meals of the men's basketball team even before i got there. After 9 months as the team coach, i noticed na may mga corruption na nangyayari dyan sa pagkain ng mga players kaya't itinigil ko na.
Since the team's practices & quarters have been transferred to Tanduay Gym in Echague, sinamantala ko na yung lapit ng gym sa Quinta Market kaya namamalengke nalang kami para makatipid at tsaka at least yung kinakain ng mga players eh tiyak na parating bagong luto.
2 thousand pesos per day ang budget namin sa pamalengke as compared sa more than 6 thousand pesos daily that they are spending now. Kina Paul Lee & JM Noble ko hinahabilin ang pera para sila narin ang bahala kung ano ang gusto nilang kainin at the same time, matuto silang humawak ng pera. Pinapipirma ko yung dalawa ng voucher na natatanggap nila ang pera, at yung mga voucher naman ang pinan-singil ko kay Mrs. Ester Garcia after they didn't renew my contract. Hindi ako naniningil nung earlier coz hindi naman ako mukhang pera tsaka pamilya na ang tingin ko sa team ko.
Nagpa-luwal na ako ng pera, tinulungan ko ang UE na makatipid...tapos hindi pala ako babayaran at ako pa ang mali ngayon?? Maybe alam ng langit na mali sila kaya sila kina-karma.

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 09:52 AM
Iba naman kasi ang set-up at nangyayari sa men's basketball team under my watch. Nakakapag-infuse ako ng mga sponsorship money para sa team fund. Bago nga ako hindi ni-renew, nag-remit pa ako ng 1.5M sponsorship sa mga top school officials. Tinutulungan ko na silang makatipid, nagpapasok pa ako ng pera.

Yung mga top players namin in my 2 years there may dagdag allowance pa sa akin ang mga yan. For example si Elmer Espiritu, his allowance with UE is 4 thousand per month when i got there. Since the team manager gave me a free hand to tinker with the team budget a bit, ginawa kong P5,500 per month yung allowance ni Elmer. And since he makes P20,000/month with our PBL team, binibigyan ko pa siya ng P14,000 kada-buwan for the whole year. Inexample ko lang yung case ni Elmer but sina Llagas, Lee, Acuna, Lingganay, Martinez, Reyes and Zamar may mga kanya-kanyang monthly pampa-gana sa akin ang mga yan.

Eh yung P150,000 na ibinayad ko sa STI para mapunta sa UE yung import na si Henri Betayene hindi rin nga ni-reimburse ng UE eh. Pero yung official receipt ng STI ipinarating naman sa office mismo ni Mrs. Ester Garcia pero deadma lang din siya. Kaya deadma lang din ako. Nai-pasa ko na naman yung import sa NU kaya lumalabas more or less eh nasa P750,000 nalang ang
receivable ko. And since sina Mr. Bong Tan naman ang may-ari ng UE, sa kanya ko nalang chinarge yung P750,000. Galante naman yon at part owner siya ng Ford-Global City tsaka isang Hyundai dealership. Makalambing lang ako ng isang Hyundai Tucson or Hyundai Accent di quits na kami. ;)

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 10:08 AM
In the absence of a prior agreement, the most you can get in return is a "Thank You." If even that they didn't give you -- Aba bastos sila!

Iba yung bastos sa balasubas, yung nabastos at nabalasubas. Pero either way, di tamang gawin yun sa iyo o kahit kanino.


Its been 7 months and yung mga letters of request for reimbursement ko ina-amag lang dun sa opisina ni Mrs. Ester Garcia. Ready na ako sa inevitable na hindi na nga ako mababayaran. Pero hindi parin sila nagte-Thank You sa panli-libre ko ng chibug sa mga players nila for 15 months until now. So you mean BASTOS nga sila??? Parang ok narin yon ah. Na-disgrasya ako ng P750,000 pero pera lang yan. Tapos sila naman pwedeng tawaging BASTOS. BASTOS! BASTOS! BASTOS! :D

oca
07-30-2011, 10:27 AM
The details you shared are well appreciated. But only one word answered, indirectly at that, my question -- "kalakaran".

Malinaw walang kasunduan.

That being the case, one can't find no fault on the part of UE in not reimbursing you. Sa ano mang kalakaran, pag nabago ang turingan o pakikitungo sa isa't-isa, ang mga kalakaran ay tiyak mababago.

Nagbago ang pakikitungo sa iyo, ikaw ngayon ang na-dehado. Ganon lang talaga pag ang batayan ay "kalakaran".

Now, etong susunod ay hindi tanong, pero paglalahad ng malaking pagtataka at opinyon.

Kilala kang matalik na kaibigan ng anak ng may-ari ng UE. Sa pangkaraniwang kalakaran, ikaw yung tinatawag na hindi pwedeng salingin. Pero, ganon paman, tinadyakan ka pa rin.

Maniniwala ba ang isang outsider na tulad ko na gagawa ng hakbang ang mga "empleyado ng UE" na makakasakit sa kalooban ng anak ng nagpapasahod sa kanila?

Tiyak, bago nila isinakatuparan ang ginawa nila sa iyo, pina-abot nila ito sa anak na babae ng Kapitan na siyang may katungkulan at nag-oopisina sa UE. Kung binasbasan niya ito, wala sa mga "empleyado ng UE" ang isyu.

Kaya ang dapat kausapin at kung kanino ka dapat maglalahad ng iyong hinagpis ay duon mismo sa nagbigay ng basbas.

naz-T
07-30-2011, 11:23 AM
Hindi pwedeng magbuhos ng pera ang paaralan sa ilang athletes na walang pagtutol mula sa academic personnel. Hindi rin pwedeng bigyan ng mas malaking budget ang isang sport at tipirin ang iba.




I think karamihan ng school mas malaki ang budget sa basketball teams nila, at tinitipid talaga ang ibang sports. May mga reason rin sila siguro dun

maroonmartian
07-30-2011, 11:51 AM
^ Men's Basketball to be exact. Yung UE Women's team nga pinababayaan na.

Ako rin tingin ko di 0-14 ang UE. Andun na sila sa tuktok dati. May pride pa yan na natitira. Malas nga lang nila yung Adamson focus na gantihan ang Ateneo. Inaapakan lang mga kalaban.

Grabe yung narinig ko na perang pinaguusapan. Grabe nabigla ako. ::)

Another question:
Gaano kaseryoso si Lucio Tan na panalunin ang team niya. Gaano kasupportive?

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 11:55 AM
Kilala kang matalik na kaibigan ng anak ng may-ari ng UE. Sa pangkaraniwang kalakaran, ikaw yung tinatawag na hindi pwedeng salingin. Pero, ganon paman, tinadyakan ka pa rin.

Maniniwala ba ang isang outsider na tulad ko na gagawa ng hakbang ang mga "empleyado ng UE" na makakasakit sa kalooban ng anak ng nagpapasahod sa kanila?

Tiyak, bago nila isinakatuparan ang ginawa nila sa iyo, pina-abot nila ito sa anak na babae ng Kapitan na siyang may katungkulan at nag-oopisina sa UE. Kung binasbasan niya ito, wala sa mga "empleyado ng UE" ang isyu.

Kaya ang dapat kausapin at kung kanino ka dapat maglalahad ng iyong hinagpis ay duon mismo sa nagbigay ng basbas.


Just to give you a partial picture of what transpired, 1st day on the job nung anak na babae nung araw na may Board meeting na isa lamang sa dami ng agenda eh yung issue tungkol sa expiring contract ko. Ang instant tugon ni ms. Tan sa mga kaharap, " oh! Isn't my brother in charge of that??" ipinagpaliban yung agenda na yon to January 6, 2011 at sa araw na yon, inilabas na yung mga petition mula sa iba't-ibang organization ng unibersidad. Ipinaabot ni mr. Bong Tan sa ilang mga miyembro ng Board ang kanyang sentimyento na kapag nagpalit sila ng coach, "i will not get involved with the team anymore."

But the Board, instead, deferred the decision-making with regards to that matter sa mga school officials led by the university president, EVP & team manager. Yung anak na babae was caught off-guard being a neophyte and nag-alangan din sa mga paratang na narinig niya since wala siyang kamuwang-muwang sa mga pangyayari.

After the 1st Board mtng in late December, nakipiag-pulong si ms. Tan sa amin ng kanyang kapatid at isinalaysay ang mga kaganapan nung araw na yon. She assured me that, like her brother, she would fight for my contract renewal. But nung inilabas na nga yung mga petition letters, and without the benefit of knowing her own facts, wala narin siyang nagawa. And beside, sinircumvent din yung paghatol mula sa kanya since hindi naman siya official na Board member at the time (ewan ko lang ngayon). i totally understood her predicament and am still appreciative of her efforts for my cause.

If its any consolation, my stand is, just like in the game of chess, isang PAWN lang naman ako dyan and i will just leave it to mr. Bong Tan to deal with them. Siya naman yung anak ng may-ari na inignore while emleyado lang ako. Ako lang yung basketball coach na itinalaga doon ni boss Bong at hindi naman siya napahiya sa na-achieve ng team under my watch.

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 12:08 PM
Another question:
Gaano kaseryoso si Lucio Tan na panalunin ang team niya. Gaano kasupportive?


Walang kainte-interes si Senior sa basketball. Si Junior ang todo-passion sa larangan na yan. He spends a lot of his own money to support the team. Siya pa nga minsan yung nago-grocery para bumili ng star margarine, peanut butter, milo, bisciuts, etc. Ako naman yung dumadayo ng Binondo para makabili ng wholesale price ng kahon-kahon ng cup noodles, mga palaman sa tinapay, sabong panlaba, tinapay, ketchup, toyo at cooking oil. Meron pa bang coach sa mga panahong ito ang gagawa nun?

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 12:14 PM
Grabe yung narinig ko na perang pinaguusapan. Grabe nabigla ako. ::)



Sir, lumang issue na yan. It had already been discussed, posted and commented on extensively dun sa PinoyExchange UE red warriors thread 3 from April 14 (the day ako natuto for the 1st time mag-register, mag-post, mag-comment, mag-computer? :D) up to April 28.

zoom2k7
07-30-2011, 12:27 PM
malaki talaga ang pera sa Kahit anong MBT program ng uaap hindi nakakapagtaka yun mga figures na yan ang nakakapagtaka ay yung 6,000 pesos a day for a meal????? ???

ilan ba ang players ng ue mbt kasama na ang team b?baka naman everyday may feeding program sila labas ng UE gym?




Hard to say. Bilog ang bola and hindi naman mga paraplegic ang mga players ng UE. They also trained, lifted weights, did conditioning and strengthening regimens. And they're also basketball players just like all their counterparts. Work hard and pray hard lang. May awa ang Diyos.


yes coach theyre training naman and lifting weights and may conditioning and strengthening regimens nakalagay na nga lang sa ilang coupon bonds yung mga instruction, gone are the days na may kasama silang (conditioning coach) sa weights room.

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 12:46 PM
[quote=zoom2k7 ]
malaki talaga ang pera sa Kahit anong MBT program ng uaap hindi nakakapagtaka yun mga figures na yan ang nakakapagtaka ay yung 6,000 pesos a day for a meal????? ???

ilan ba ang players ng ue mbt kasama na ang team b?baka naman everyday may feeding program sila labas ng UE

When i passed by the gym a couple of weeks ago, i was informed na 30+ katao na yung team B nila. Karamihan mga bulinggit. :D

red18
07-30-2011, 01:50 PM
coach i know suntok sa buwan ang question ko and next to impossible, im just curious and want to know your answer. eto na......If ever MVP will offer you the position of FL as head coach of the RL, would you accept it??? why and why not??

with the present line up of the RL, sino ilalagay mo muna sa team b?

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 03:05 PM
coach i know suntok sa buwan ang question ko and next to impossible, im just curious and want to know your answer. eto na......If ever MVP will offer you the position of FL as head coach of the RL, would you accept it??? why and why not??

with the present line up of the RL, sino ilalagay mo muna sa team b?


Whats FL?? Kung as head coach ng san beda, hindi siguro since they've been doing quite alright annihilating all the opponents in sight sa NCAA these past several years. Opening day palang alam mo na agad na Beda- Baste na maghaharap sa finals.

But if, suntok din sa buwan, MVP should give me an offer that i cannot refuse...Then why not??? ;)

Sa tanong mo kung sino ilalagay ko sa team B, sorry hindi ko sila lahat kilala coz i don't really follow the NCAA.
Siguro basta nandun yung top 10 na naglaro sa PBA D- League, the rest kahit sino na. Isama pa kita. ;)

BedanRoar
07-30-2011, 03:38 PM
[quote=zoom2k7 ]
malaki talaga ang pera sa Kahit anong MBT program ng uaap hindi nakakapagtaka yun mga figures na yan ang nakakapagtaka ay yung 6,000 pesos a day for a meal????? ???

ilan ba ang players ng ue mbt kasama na ang team b?baka naman everyday may feeding program sila labas ng UE

When i passed by the gym a couple of weeks ago, i was informed na 30+ katao na yung team B nila. Karamihan mga bulinggit. :D


UE "D'Giants" Team B ;D ;D ;D

red18
07-30-2011, 04:47 PM
coach i know suntok sa buwan ang question ko and next to impossible, im just curious and want to know your answer. eto na......If ever MVP will offer you the position of FL as head coach of the RL, would you accept it??? why and why not??

with the present line up of the RL, sino ilalagay mo muna sa team b?


Whats FL?? Kung as head coach ng san beda, hindi siguro since they've been doing quite alright annihilating all the opponents in sight sa NCAA these past several years. Opening day palang alam mo na agad na Beda- Baste na maghaharap sa finals.





But if, suntok din sa buwan, MVP should give me an offer that i cannot refuse...Then why not??? ;)

Sa tanong mo kung sino ilalagay ko sa team B, sorry hindi ko sila lahat kilala coz i don't really follow the NCAA.
Siguro basta nandun yung top 10 na naglaro sa PBA D- League, the rest kahit sino na. Isama pa kita. ;)


ha ha, salamat coach! best of luck to you sir! :)

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 05:33 PM
[quote=red18 ]
[quote=ironcoach ]
[quote=red18 ]
coach i know suntok sa buwan ang question ko and next to impossible, im just curious and want to know your answer. eto na......If ever MVP will offer you the position of FL...

Whats FL nga??

elvis
07-30-2011, 05:35 PM
^coach, FL = Frankie Lim

animo
07-30-2011, 08:16 PM
coach i know suntok sa buwan ang question ko and next to impossible, im just curious and want to know your answer. eto na......If ever MVP will offer you the position of FL as head coach of the RL, would you accept it??? why and why not??

with the present line up of the RL, sino ilalagay mo muna sa team b?


Whats FL?? Kung as head coach ng san beda, hindi siguro since they've been doing quite alright annihilating all the opponents in sight sa NCAA these past several years. Opening day palang alam mo na agad na Beda- Baste na maghaharap sa finals.

But if, suntok din sa buwan, MVP should give me an offer that i cannot refuse...Then why not??? ;)

Sa tanong mo kung sino ilalagay ko sa team B, sorry hindi ko sila lahat kilala coz i don't really follow the NCAA.
Siguro basta nandun yung top 10 na naglaro sa PBA D- League, the rest kahit sino na. Isama pa kita. ;)


hard to get si coach.... demanding ;D

ironcoach
07-30-2011, 10:19 PM
hard to get si coach.... demanding ;D



Hey! Did you know? I went to san beda also nung 2nd year high school ako. Doesn't that make me an alumnus narin?

lekiboy
07-30-2011, 10:48 PM
hard to get si coach.... demanding ;D



Hey! Did you know? I went to san beda also nung 2nd year high school ako. Doesn't that make me an alumnus narin?


kung nakumpleto mo yung isang taon, pwede na sa akin yun coach// :)
e bakit ka naman lumipat?
ano ho bang taon yung pumasok kayo at sabihin ko sa inyo ang mga dapat na naging ka batch nyo... :)

ironcoach
07-31-2011, 04:22 AM
kung nakumpleto mo yung isang taon, pwede na sa akin yun coach// :)
e bakit ka naman lumipat?
ano ho bang taon yung pumasok kayo at sabihin ko sa inyo ang mga dapat na naging ka batch nyo... :)


I only went there for a couple of months back in 1981. Classmate ko mismo si Dindo Pumaren then 3rd year hi school naman nun sina Ronnie Magsanoc & Eric Altamirano. My dad wanted me to attend this American school in Taipei kasi so i had to leave. I can still remember having a Mr. Siguban & a Miss or Mrs. Ventura as teachers, if my memory serves me right.

BedanRoar
07-31-2011, 08:38 AM
kung nakumpleto mo yung isang taon, pwede na sa akin yun coach// :)
e bakit ka naman lumipat?
ano ho bang taon yung pumasok kayo at sabihin ko sa inyo ang mga dapat na naging ka batch nyo... :)


I only went there for a couple of months back in 1981. Classmate ko mismo si Dindo Pumaren then 3rd year hi school naman nun sina Ronnie Magsanoc & Eric Altamirano. My dad wanted me to attend this American school in Taipei kasi so i had to leave. I can still remember having a Mr. Siguban & a Miss or Mrs. Ventura as teachers, if my memory serves me right.


You got it right (Mr. Seguban & Mrs. Ventura). So, you would have belonged to Batch '84.

lekiboy
07-31-2011, 10:08 AM
You got it right (Mr. Seguban & Mrs. Ventura). So, you would have belonged to Batch '84.


yup- at dapat ka batch mo si coach, bro- together with spikermike..hahaha... di mo ba siya napansin?
don't worry , inabot ko pa si danny and ms ventura...hs91...

coach- pwede ka naman maging Bedista, integrate ka lang namin sa powwow...sina MonL and Stardust ang mag integrate sayo..senior ka sa akin e. sponsor mo si bedanroar....siya yung tisoy sa mga games na akala mo kapatid ni jaime augusto- hahaha

BedanRoar
07-31-2011, 10:40 AM
You got it right (Mr. Seguban & Mrs. Ventura). So, you would have belonged to Batch '84.


yup- at dapat ka batch mo si coach, bro- together with spikermike..hahaha... di mo ba siya napansin?
don't worry , inabot ko pa si danny and ms ventura...hs91...

coach- pwede ka naman maging Bedista, integrate ka lang namin sa powwow...sina MonL and Stardust ang mag integrate sayo..senior ka sa akin e. sponsor mo si bedanroar....siya yung tisoy sa mga games na akala mo kapatid ni jaime augusto- hahaha


Hindi ko na maalala si Ironcoach during those days. I dunno about spikermike ??? Anyway, he's welcome to join the powwows of course ;)

@lekiboy: Baka mapagkamalan ako si Tito Mon Ventosa! Sya ang tisoy dun ;D ;D ;D

Back to the regular program.

ironcoach
07-31-2011, 11:01 AM
[quote=lekiboy ]

coach- pwede ka naman maging Bedista, integrate ka lang namin sa powwow...sina MonL and Stardust ang mag integrate sayo..senior ka sa akin e. sponsor mo si bedanroar....siya yung tisoy sa mga games na akala mo kapatid ni jaime augusto- hahaha


Hindi ko na maalala si Ironcoach during those days. I dunno about spikermike ??? Anyway, he's welcome to join the powwows...

Kung puro kayo Bedista...anong interes niyo sa UE? Why are you in this threaf?? Just wonderin. Si Joe Scoundrel ba Bedista rin?? And yung powwow yan ba yung hazing, este initiation niyo??

red18
07-31-2011, 11:30 AM
[quote=lekiboy ]

coach- pwede ka naman maging Bedista, integrate ka lang namin sa powwow...sina MonL and Stardust ang mag integrate sayo..senior ka sa akin e. sponsor mo si bedanroar....siya yung tisoy sa mga games na akala mo kapatid ni jaime augusto- hahaha


Hindi ko na maalala si Ironcoach during those days. I dunno about spikermike ??? Anyway, he's welcome to join the powwows...

Kung puro kayo Bedista...anong interes niyo sa UE? Why are you in this threaf?? Just wonderin. Si Joe Scoundrel ba Bedista rin?? And yung powwow yan ba yung hazing, este initiation niyo??


ha ha, mga tsismo lang kami ;D were here because of our former cubs javier and chavez, just seeing if they are doing fine. were not here para maki-alam or whatever. just checking on how our bedan bro. are doing. joe s. is i think an atenean. powwow is a little get together lang, kwentuhan, anything goes. usually sa resto near sa game venue after a SBC game. (win or lose). syempre kainan! and konting inom. konti lang ;D

animo
07-31-2011, 02:21 PM
alam mo coach, ang SBC parang malaking frat yan... maski magkaka ibang batch, pag nag samasama masaya. specially the old school. we never grow old hehehe ;D

animo
07-31-2011, 02:24 PM
coach question.

kailan naging ue red warriors ang ue warriors? ???
afaik, ue warriors sila for the longest time right?

ironcoach
07-31-2011, 03:41 PM
coach question.

kailan naging ue red warriors ang ue warriors? ???
afaik, ue warriors sila for the longest time right?



Yup. Nung assistant coach ako dun nung year 2000, WARRIORS lang din yan eh. I think even during Boysie Zamar's time from 2001-03. So malamang in the last 5-6 years lang. And please don't ask me kung sino ang may pakana nun coz i have no idea. ;)

red18
07-31-2011, 05:30 PM
talo ulit, I think isang season lang magiging coach si jerry cordinera ng warriors.

ironcoach
07-31-2011, 10:05 PM
talo ulit, I think isang season lang magiging coach si jerry cordinera ng warriors.


They made a wish...and their wish was granted. Im sure whatever the outcome will be, with the mindset that most of these people have, still.....everything's fine.

animo
08-01-2011, 10:36 AM
coach, WHAT IF the ue admin offer you the coaching job again... will you take it? :)

ironcoach
08-01-2011, 11:16 AM
coach, WHAT IF the ue admin offer you the coaching job again... will you take it? :)


The order has to come from Mr. Bong Tan. And i will definitely request for a more knowledgeable and sincere management team to work it for it to happen. No more nightmsres. Mahirap talaga yung may nakikialam na 80 year old team manager. Pwedeng booster or inspiration ang mga ganyan pero yung makikialam pa sa mga basketball decisions?? Its like making a sakristan to be a nightclub manager. Malamang lahat ng GRO pasuotin ng turtle-neck. Gusto niyo ba ng ganun?? :o

red_engr1987
08-01-2011, 11:38 AM
coach, WHAT IF the ue admin offer you the coaching job again... will you take it? :)


The order has to come from Mr. Bong Tan. And i will definitely request for a more knowledgeable and sincere management team to work it for it to happen. No more nightmsres. Mahirap talaga yung may nakikialam na 80 year old team manager. Pwedeng booster or inspiration ang mga ganyan pero yung makikialam pa sa mga basketball decisions?? Its like making a sakristan to be a nightclub manager. Malamang lahat ng GRO pasuotin ng turtle-neck. Gusto niyo ba ng ganun?? :o


That old man should retire so that the young generations with basketball common sense can take over the position.

If that things will happen welcome home ironcoach and give us that elusive dream, the elusive CHAMPIONSHIP

LION
08-01-2011, 01:44 PM
coach, WHAT IF the ue admin offer you the coaching job again... will you take it? :)


The order has to come from Mr. Bong Tan. And i will definitely request for a more knowledgeable and sincere management team to work it for it to happen. No more nightmsres. Mahirap talaga yung may nakikialam na 80 year old team manager. Pwedeng booster or inspiration ang mga ganyan pero yung makikialam pa sa mga basketball decisions?? Its like making a sakristan to be a nightclub manager. Malamang lahat ng GRO pasuotin ng turtle-neck. Gusto niyo ba ng ganun?? :o


Maghahalo ang balat sa tinalupan pag nangyari yan coach. Di ako papayag. Kahit miron lang ako dito.

zoom2k7
08-01-2011, 09:40 PM
kung turtle neck collar lang ang suot i think ok na ok un! ;D

OT: ganda ng laban kanina ng RL at knights, physical na physical daw as usual ;D

mrlibog
08-01-2011, 10:41 PM
dba kakahiya na gnagawa ni jerry codinera? tambak every game by 20 pts. and deliberately playing his recruits like zosa chavez montelibano javier sabangan over veterans like casajeros engiuo duran sumido. i havent seen a more stupid and stubborn coach in recent uaap history. dba pwede tangalin na yan?

Regular Grey
08-02-2011, 06:03 AM
Coach C, ang pagiging Physical ba talagang itinuturo at hinahayaan ng mga Coaches ng mga teams? E ang pananakit na sinasadya? Yan ba coach din ang naguutos?

Joescoundrel
08-02-2011, 07:13 AM
dba kakahiya na gnagawa ni jerry codinera? tambak every game by 20 pts. and deliberately playing his recruits like zosa chavez montelibano javier sabangan over veterans like casajeros engiuo duran sumido. i havent seen a more stupid and stubborn coach in recent uaap history. dba pwede tangalin na yan?


Second round action is usually tougher.

Coach, following up with Regular Grey's query: I'm sure all coaches teach gulang, like my self I know no players become great players na walang gulang. Even the known mababait na players magulang. It simply comes with the territory.

My follow-up question is: What do coaches teach players to counter the gulang of other players?

mighty_lion
08-02-2011, 08:23 AM
Maghahalo ang balat sa tinalupan pag nangyari yan coach. Di ako papayag. Kahit miron lang ako dito.



Basta hindi naka-turtle neck sa baba ok lang siguro. ;D

ironcoach
08-02-2011, 11:09 AM
dba kakahiya na gnagawa ni jerry codinera? tambak every game by 20 pts. and deliberately playing his recruits like zosa chavez montelibano javier sabangan over veterans like casajeros engiuo duran sumido. i havent seen a more stupid and stubborn coach in recent uaap history. dba pwede tangalin na yan?


ang opinyon ko sa ploy na yan, they prepared, recruited and trained to be able to compete & win in the uaap. but nung ma-realized nila na hindi pala uubra yung experiments & abot-kaalaman nila, they suddenly switched to rebuilding and giving the young kids exposure mode.

ang paniniwala ko sa ganyang diskarte, they'll have 10 months to train and prepare their new recriuts after the season. but for the meantime, since may tickets na babayaran ang mga manonood at may kalayuan din ang mga venues, not to mention that the games are seen all over the world thru TFC and yung cost ng airtime sa TV, kelangan fight to death dapat in every game. laban ng laban...patay kung patay. they owe that not only to UE fans but also to the millions of basketball purists around the world.

2 and a half months a year lang ang UAAP basketball tournament kaya hindi na dapat gawing praktisan at experimentuhan yang 14 games na yan.

ironcoach
08-02-2011, 11:22 AM
Coach C, ang pagiging Physical ba talagang itinuturo at hinahayaan ng mga Coaches ng mga teams? E ang pananakit na sinasadya? Yan ba coach din ang naguutos?



Kabaligtaran ako dyan. exact opposite. what i always remind my players is that hindi na uubra yung mga dirty tactics at cheapshots nowadays. napansin niyo ba yung hi-tech na TV coverages these past few years?? nahuhuli na ang halos lahat. naka-bilog pa o isolation screen pa kaya walang lusot. i don't want my team being penalized with 2 free throws with ball possession. and what if key player mo yung masu-suspend for the next game??

eye-opener yung experience ko dyan in my 1st year sa UAAP. n other games, nahuli sa slow-mo na nanuntok si Ababou at nanadyak naman si Webb pero parehong hindi napansin ng mga referees kaya lusot sa mancom. in our game against FEU, nagka-girian lang sina cervantes & Llagas with seconds left in the game and both got ejected kaya automatic 1-game suspension.

ayon, next game namin nun ateneo ang kalaban and we lost by 5 points without starting center llagas. bayad kami.

ironcoach
08-02-2011, 11:31 AM
dba kakahiya na gnagawa ni jerry codinera? tambak every game by 20 pts. and deliberately playing his recruits like zosa chavez montelibano javier sabangan over veterans like casajeros engiuo duran sumido. i havent seen a more stupid and stubborn coach in recent uaap history. dba pwede tangalin na yan?


Second round action is usually tougher.

Coach, following up with Regular Grey's query: I'm sure all coaches teach gulang, like my self I know no players become great players na walang gulang. Even the known mababait na players magulang. It simply comes with the territory.

My follow-up question is: What do coaches teach players to counter the gulang of other players?


Mahirap din yan coz tao rin lang ang player. madaling sabihin na huwag papatulan o focus lang sa laro kung dinu-duraan na o sinusuntok na. but i guess since player sila in the 1st place, kahit na gaano kahirap at nakaka-lalake na, kelangan parin huwag pa-apekto. at kung pakiramdam niya eh sobra na...abangan nalang sa parking lot.

marami ngang ang tatapang kung nasa loob lang ng court wherein made-delay yung game, mate-technical o masu- suspend pa at maraming aawat at madadamay tsaka televised pa. bakit hindi nalang pag-tuusan sa labas ng venue after the game para walang madamay at wala pang makikialam. but if natanggapng katawan at pagiging player mo ang mga cheapshots...much better yon so you can move on with your career.

james_hunt
08-02-2011, 03:52 PM
Coach, madami ding matapang lang sa cyberspace at punong-puno ng galit pero wala namang ibuga kapag nakita mo na :D

red18
08-02-2011, 06:38 PM
coach, who do you think is more effective as a coach? jerry cordinera or vergel meneses? the win of vergel meneses is puro tsamba lang. from broken plays lang and by accident or stroke of luck his players were able to convert a shot. thats my two cents.

ironcoach
08-02-2011, 07:42 PM
coach, who do you think is more effective as a coach? jerry cordinera or vergel meneses? the win of vergel meneses is puro tsamba lang. from broken plays lang and by accident or stroke of luck his players were able to convert a shot. thats my two cents.


Meneses got Derick Pumaren behind him and Pumaren's staff beside him therefore they must be working hand in hand. On how effective they are, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. But obviously JRU is reeling from the lost of Etame and Njei.

As for Jerry, well, your question is about effectivity, right?? at the rate UE's been performing in the UAAP with a 0-6 slate, it depends on what kind of effectivity you are looking for. For one, effective siya sa clamor ng community nila to have an alumnus as their coach. Depende kung saan mo sila gustong maging effective.

Tiger Happy
08-02-2011, 07:58 PM
Off topic po Coach, sana masagot ninyo

Sa inyo pong palagay, ano ang strengths ni Coach Al Chua bilang coach?

Nakasabayan ninyo ba siya sa Tiong Lian?

Temperamental at fiery din po ba siya tulad ni Coach Pido?

Thank you po

ironcoach
08-02-2011, 08:43 PM
[quote=Tiger Happy ]


Sa inyo pong palagay, ano ang strengths ni Coach Al Chua bilang coach?

MASINOP, PRACTICAL DUMISKARTE TSAKA GOOD MOTIVATOR.

Nakasabayan ninyo ba siya sa Tiong Lian?

NAUNA AKO SA KANYA. I THINK HE PLAYED RIGHT AFTER I LEFT. I HAD 2 MORE PLAYING YEARS PA SANA BUT OUR TEAM'S NEW COACHES AT THAT TIME COULDN'T STAND ME AND I COULDN'T STAND THEM EITHER. TSAKA AKO LUMIPAT NG SAN BEDA.

Temperamental at fiery din po ba siya tulad ni Coach Pido?

YA. PARANG GANUN DIN.

Tiger Happy
08-02-2011, 08:55 PM
Thanks po ulit.

More power po on your present and future endeavors

mrlibog
08-02-2011, 10:19 PM
but coach have you seen chavez zosa and montelibano? granted javier has some potential. but the 3 other players suck and have no upside watsoever. anlayo naman kila acibar..

ironcoach
08-02-2011, 10:48 PM
but coach have you seen chavez zosa and montelibano? granted javier has some potential. but the 3 other players suck and have no upside watsoever. anlayo naman kila acibar..


Baka yung Montelibano pwede pang mahasa coz of his size and built. But yung chavez and zosa masyadong maliliit. But yung mga teenagers can grow pa naman esp. during the summer. Tsaka nabigyan narin lang sila ng breaks, i-maximize nalang nila by doing extra workouts. Try to get better everyday.

mrlibog
08-02-2011, 11:11 PM
who do u think may pinaka potential sa current ue lineup? dont u think sumang should be playing ahead of zosa and chavez? layo naman nun talent level.

ironcoach
08-02-2011, 11:42 PM
who do u think may pinaka potential sa current ue lineup? dont u think sumang should be playing ahead of zosa and chavez? layo naman nun talent level.


Sumang should be playing 32 minutes every game, in my opinion. At 0-6, Sumang, Santos and Casajeros should be playing without relief already. There's gotta be a sense of urgency.

nnahoj
08-03-2011, 06:08 PM
coach, tutal gusto ata na UE alum ang maging head coach, wala bang nagbalak na kunin si Jawo? ;D kung sa presyo naman kaya naman ata ni boss bong ibigay kung ano man ang hingin niya.

i have a nagging feeling that the Living Legend can attract blue chip HS prospects. baka nga magulang pa manligaw kay Jawo para lang makitang mag tryout yung mga anak nila.

ironcoach
08-03-2011, 06:54 PM
[quote=nnahoj ]
coach, tutal gusto ata na UE alum ang maging head coach, wala bang nagbalak na kunin si Jawo? ;D kung sa presyo naman kaya naman ata ni boss bong ibigay kung ano man ang hingin niya.

i have a nagging feeling that the Living Legend can attract blue chip HS prospects. baka nga magulang pa manligaw kay Jawo para lang makitang mag tryout yung mga anak nila.

Diba nga ayaw ni boss Bong na palitan ako?? Pinalitan nga lang ako pati siya lumayo at dumistansya narin sa team. Ngayon, bakit siya pa ang magpapa-sahod sa ibang coach?? Ang alam kong stand ni boss Bong, kung iba rin lang ang magko-coach sa UE, ni-soft drinks hindi magbibigay yon.

Of course ibang issue naman yun sa kung tatanggapin rin ba ni Jawo ang mag-coach uli. He's 65 years old and relax already.

BedanRoar
08-03-2011, 07:01 PM
Ironcoach..Below the "quote" word ka mag reply para kitang kita comments mo ;D

nnahoj
08-03-2011, 07:07 PM
ah ok, no ironcoach, no boss bong.

anyway i don't think it would do UE harm if they have that option on the table. unless you have an ailment you can coach well into your 70's. di ba nga 60 is the new 40 ;D

just sayin'. solid baranggay kasi ako eh ;D

ironcoach
08-03-2011, 07:07 PM
I have a nagging feeling that the Living Legend can attract blue chip HS prospects. baka nga magulang pa manligaw kay Jawo para lang makitang mag tryout yung mga anak nila.


Who do you think the practical/wise parents of today would choose?? For their kids to be able to play under Jaworski? Or for their kids to choose where the better financial package is?? Assuming it were you kid. Would you prefer him to play for Jaworski at UE with a P1,500 monthly allowance? Or go to NU and get a P15,000 monthly allowance for 5 years + train yearly in the USA with pocket money??

red18
08-03-2011, 07:11 PM
I have a nagging feeling that the Living Legend can attract blue chip HS prospects. baka nga magulang pa manligaw kay Jawo para lang makitang mag tryout yung mga anak nila.


Who do you think the practical/wise parents of today would choose?? For their kids to be able to play under Jaworski? Or for their kids to choose where the better financial package is?? Assuming it were you kid. Would you prefer him to play for Jaworski at UE with a P1,500 monthly allowance? Or go to NU and get a P15,000 monthly allowance for 5 years + train yearly in the USA with pocket money??


tama! pera-pera lang talaga ang labanan ngayon

ironcoach
08-03-2011, 07:14 PM
ah ok, no ironcoach, no boss bong.

anyway i don't think it would do UE harm if they have that option on the table. unless you have an ailment you can coach well into your 70's. di ba nga 60 is the new 40 ;D

just sayin'. solid baranggay kasi ako eh ;D


I heard from a source that, before settling for Codinera, Jaworski was in fact approached or asked if he was willing to handle The UE team. Yung sagot yata ni Jawo discouraged the caller to pursue that angle again. ;)

ironcoach
08-03-2011, 07:20 PM
Who do you think the practical/wise parents of today would choose?? For their kids to be able to play under Jaworski? Or for their kids to choose where the better financial package is?? Assuming it were you kid. Would you prefer him to play for Jaworski at UE with a P1,500 monthly allowance? Or go to NU and get a P15,000 monthly allowance for 5 years + train yearly in the USA with pocket money??
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tama! pera-pera lang talaga ang labanan ngayon
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Hindi nga naman talaga sana maganda yung ganyang pag-iisip at paniniwala. Kaso pera lang talaga ang pwedeng ipambili tsaka ipambayad. Alukin o bayaran mo ng katapatan, kabutihan at kagandahan ng kalooban, ayaw naman tanggapin.

BedanRoar
08-03-2011, 07:38 PM
ah ok, no ironcoach, no boss bong.

anyway i don't think it would do UE harm if they have that option on the table. unless you have an ailment you can coach well into your 70's. di ba nga 60 is the new 40 ;D

just sayin'. solid baranggay kasi ako eh ;D


I heard from a source that, before settling for Codinera, Jaworski was in fact approached or asked if he was willing to handle The UE team. Yung sagot yata ni Jawo discouraged the caller to pursue that angle again. ;)


Malamang Sky High ang asking..... ??? ;D

ironcoach
08-03-2011, 08:53 PM
[quote=ironcoach ]
[quote=nnahoj ]

Malamang Sky High ang asking..... ??? ;D


Hindi ako ang may-sabi niyan ha. ::)

mrlibog
08-03-2011, 10:39 PM
e kung 0 - 14 si jerry this season? sibak na ba yan? obviosly wala naman alam e.

ironcoach
08-03-2011, 11:21 PM
e kung 0 - 14 si jerry this season? sibak na ba yan? obviosly wala naman alam e.


I don't know and i don't care. If thats the way how their management, employee's association, faculty members, student council, alumni associations and different organizations want their basketball team to be handled and perform, i guess thats their right. And im sure they're very happy & satisfied with their decision and also contented in getting what they truly deserve.

The_Big_Cat
08-04-2011, 01:47 PM
e kung 0 - 14 si jerry this season? sibak na ba yan? obviosly wala naman alam e.


I don't know and i don't care. If thats the way how their management, employee's association, faculty members, student council, alumni associations and different organizations want their basketball team to be handled and perform, i guess thats their right. And im sure they're very happy & satisfied with their decision and also contented in getting what they truly deserve.


Tama ka coach. "I don't care". Sabay wasiwas sa mahabang buhok mo papunta sa likod. ;D

ironcoach
08-04-2011, 03:09 PM
Tama ka coach. "I don't care". Sabay wasiwas sa mahabang buhok mo papunta sa likod. ;D

[/quote]

I already had my hair cut short a few months ago. Wala ng iwa-wasiwas pa.

ironcoach
08-04-2011, 03:10 PM
e kung 0 - 14 si jerry this season? sibak na ba yan? obviosly wala naman alam e.


I don't know and i don't care. If thats the way how their management, employee's association, faculty members, student council, alumni associations and different organizations want their basketball team to be handled and perform, i guess thats their right. And im sure they're very happy & satisfied with their decision and also contented in getting what they truly deserve.


Tama ka coach. "I don't care". Sabay wasiwas sa mahabang buhok mo papunta sa likod. ;D

toti_mendiola
08-09-2011, 04:33 PM
Kaya nga nagpupumilit akong unattend sa mga coaching clinics kadi du umepek ang lintek na growth balls. Sana araw araw bagong taon ng makatalon araw araw


diskarte lang yan brod...diskarte lang. if that doesn't work, huwag ka nalang maging mapili. kung wa epek parin...magbayad ka nalang. ;D

kitam! maraming paraan yan diba?? ;)

coach panalo itong hirit mo. pero sana naman wag agad dumating yung panahon na nagbabayad na. bagsak apa naman ang merkado. ;D

ironcoach
08-10-2011, 02:24 AM
coach panalo itong hirit mo. pero sana naman wag agad dumating yung panahon na nagbabayad na. bagsak apa naman ang merkado. ;D


Eh kung yung maa-ayos naman kasi ang didiskartehan mo, baka lalo pang mapa-mahal. And what if maging panghabang-buhay pa yan...eh di mas madugo tuloy. Kaya kung minsan, kung tutuusin...mas matipid pa in the long run yung magbayad nalang. ;)

bchoter
08-10-2011, 06:26 PM
^ Eto na nga't panay ang kayod... OT ng OT!

reforms
08-10-2011, 09:20 PM
Coach, do you think meron overaged players na naglalaro ngayon sa UAAP at NCAA?

Sa pagkakaalam mo, talaga bang may gumagawa nun at bakit ang lakas ng loob nila kung meron man?

What's your stand on this coach?

ironcoach
08-10-2011, 10:41 PM
Coach, do you think meron overaged players na naglalaro ngayon sa UAAP at NCAA?

Sa pagkakaalam mo, talaga bang may gumagawa nun at bakit ang lakas ng loob nila kung meron man?

What's your stand on this coach?


I wanted to say na wala ng gumagawa ng ganyan in these time and age. Remember when the Philippine National Youth teams had overage players eversince the Asian Youth Basketball began in 1970? Tumino lang nung 1986 nung binanatan ng binanatan na ng media (the Asian Youth tournament is held every 2 years. Its now known as the FIBA U-19). Parating champion ang Philippines nun then lost for the 1st time in 1980, won again in 1982, then has never won na till now.

I wanted to think na no entity is resorting to that scheme anymore. But then again, maybe i don't know everything.

reforms
08-11-2011, 01:04 PM
I wanted to think na no entity is resorting to that scheme anymore. But then again, maybe i don't know everything.


Got it coach. Thanks for your input! ;)

PS. I really like your spunk.

Joescoundrel
08-11-2011, 02:46 PM
Coach what was your preferred solution for the "dreaded Lasalle press"? I noticed a lot of your press breaks were simple forward passes and short passes.

ironcoach
08-11-2011, 03:20 PM
Coach what was your preferred solution for the "dreaded Lasalle press"? I noticed a lot of your press breaks were simple forward passes and short passes.


The #1 rule against any press: don't be afraid of it. In fact, attack it. In my 2 UAAP seasons, i went 3-1 against DLS! Thanks in part to Rudy Lingganay, Raphy Reyes, and of course, Paul Lee.

I believe 1 reason why DLSU had been shooting atrociously these past few seasons is largely in part of their shooters getting too arm-weary from too much pressing and trapping on defense. You can even see them bungle wide-open lay-ups at times.

toti_mendiola
08-12-2011, 12:11 AM
Coach pansin ko grooving groovy ka? ano sounds mo nung dekada 70 at 80? Ano mas trip mo nuong araw? yung subversibong kanta ng asin, yung psychedelic tunes ng the doors, yung hippie ng beatles o yung misunderstood na punk at hardcore?

easter
08-12-2011, 06:55 AM
Coach what was your preferred solution for the "dreaded Lasalle press"? I noticed a lot of your press breaks were simple forward passes and short passes.

I believe 1 reason why DLSU had been shooting atrociously these past few seasons is largely in part of their shooters getting too arm-weary from too much pressing and trapping on defense. You can even see them bungle wide-open lay-ups at times.


I agree coach and yan din ang theory ko. Pero bakit noon parang hindi naman napapagod yung players ng La Salle at tuluyang nanalo?

ironcoach
08-12-2011, 04:11 PM
[quote=toti_mendiola ]
Coach pansin ko grooving groovy ka? ano sounds mo nung dekada 70 at 80? Ano mas trip mo nuong araw? yung subversibong kanta ng asin, yung psychedelic tunes ng the doors, yung hippie ng beatles o yung misunderstood na punk at hardcore?


Favorite ko talaga yung mga Retro. Sa OPM naman yung Manila Sound tulad ng the Boyfriends, VST & Co., and the Hotdogs Band. Kagabi lang nga niyu- Youtube ko yung mga forgotten hits of the 80's & the 90's. I also went to watch the concert of Paul McCartney in Las Vegas last June 10. Grabe! Parang nag- full circle yung pagiging music-enthusiast ko nung napakinggan ko yung "Yesterday" tsaka yung "Hey Jude".

ironcoach
08-12-2011, 04:16 PM
Coach what was your preferred solution for the "dreaded Lasalle press"? I noticed a lot of your press breaks were simple forward passes and short passes.

I believe 1 reason why DLSU had been shooting atrociously these past few seasons is largely in part of their shooters getting too arm-weary from too much pressing and trapping on defense. You can even see them bungle wide-open lay-ups at times.


I agree coach and yan din ang theory ko. Pero bakit noon parang hindi naman napapagod yung players ng La Salle at tuluyang nanalo?



Sa opinion ko lang naman...maybe mas mama na ang katawan nina Cardona, Cortez, Yeo, Tang, Arana, Gaco, Maierhoffer at Casio nun as compared kina Marata, Dela Paz, Revilla, Tampus, Villanueva, Vosotros, Atkins, Torres & Van Opstal now. In my opinion lang naman.

animo
08-12-2011, 05:21 PM
coach, lets say you're going to put your life long savings in the line on aug. 19. where are you going to place your bet SBC or SSC? and why?

red18
08-12-2011, 07:16 PM
sir, I would like to ask if is it financially rewarding being a college/university basketball coach? or you doing this just for the love of the game? which school do you think gives a better package/salary for its MBT?

red18
08-12-2011, 07:21 PM
do you play basketball also? what's your height? if I were a businessman and i want to start a basketball camp for big men for college and the pro's, do you think it's feasible? do you think it would be profitable?

ironcoach
08-13-2011, 03:19 AM
coach, lets say you're going to put your life long savings in the line on aug. 19. where are you going to place your bet SBC or SSC? and why?



My hard-earned money will go with SBC. A lot of key pieces playing together for a long time vs a 3-headed monster of a team. A coach who's won championships with the very same team vs a coach who came into the picture in the last minute. The program that had been instilled for several years + the annual U.S. training factor should turn the tide in favor of SBC, notwithstanding the Abueva factor.

ironcoach
08-13-2011, 03:34 AM
sir, I would like to ask if is it financially rewarding being a college/university basketball coach? or you doing this just for the love of the game? which school do you think gives a better package/salary for its MBT?


Rewards really depend on a person's need and satisfaction. I heard from the grapevine that a former (not me) UAAP coach used to make 400 grand per month while another coach (not me) takes home 12 grand monthly. But in my opinion, if you happen to find somebody who just wanted to coach a UAAP/NCAA team even for free simply because he loves the game...maybe you didn't hire the best coach possible for your school. The best things in life always comes with a price.

Which schools pay better?? No-brainer that they are ateneo, la salle, nu and san beda. Not counting mga side rackets ha.

ironcoach
08-13-2011, 03:42 AM
do you play basketball also? what's your height? if I were a businessman and i want to start a basketball camp for big men for college and the pro's, do you think it's feasible? do you think it would be profitable?


I did play a lot of ball during my time. Still playing every once in a while till now. Im 6'2.

With regards to your Basketball camp business, it would still largely depend on the kind of package that you can offer. Who will be your trainers? Where's the venue? Who will you cater too? Not all the kids in the country can afford going to special camps. And a lot of the best players had hone their skills playing in Inter-kalsada too. Everything in this world is about packaging. And target market.

bchoter
08-13-2011, 07:58 AM
do you play basketball also? what's your height? if I were a businessman and i want to start a basketball camp for big men for college and the pro's, do you think it's feasible? do you think it would be profitable?


I did play a lot of ball during my time. Still playing every once in a while till now. Im 6'2.

With regards to your Basketball camp business, it would still largely depend on the kind of package that you can offer. Who will be your trainers? Where's the venue? Who will you cater too? Not all the kids in the country can afford going to special camps. And a lot of the best players had hone their skills playing in Inter-kalsada too. Everything in this world is about packaging. And target market.
So true. There are countless "camps" out there who are capitalizing on the camper's name I wonder sometimes if they are really equipped with the right skills. If the previous UP MBT's trainor (pareng pio_valenz sino nga ulit siya? The one who gave a lecture on conditioning) offers a conditioning program and I can afford to, I will send all the Tigers coz he has the working knowledge based on years of experience plus the ability to express it in a way that a miron like me can easily understand. In volleyball, coach Ojie Mamon has everything, technical skills, communication skills, people skills and management skills. It's no coincidence that the UST MVT, year in and year out are contenders even if his players are relatively unknowns coming in.

red18
08-13-2011, 08:04 AM
wow! 6'2 pala kayo coach. sayang naman. bakit hindi niyo tinuloy playing basketball? small forward or big guard yun diba? where did you go to college sir?

ironcoach
08-13-2011, 09:39 AM
do you play basketball also? what's your height? if I were a businessman and i want to start a basketball camp for big men for college and the pro's, do you think it's feasible? do you think it would be profitable?


So true. There are countless "camps" out there who are capitalizing on the camper's name I wonder sometimes if they are really equipped with the right skills. If the previous UP MBT's trainor (pareng pio_valenz sino nga ulit siya? The one who gave a lecture on conditioning) offers a conditioning program and I can afford to, I will send all the Tigers coz he has the working knowledge based on years of experience plus the ability to express it in a way that a miron like me can easily understand. In volleyball, coach Ojie Mamon has everything, technical skills, communication skills, people skills and management skills. It's no coincidence that the UST MVT, year in and year out are contenders even if his players are relatively unknowns coming in.


Just like the 2 times that Eric Spoelstra came for basketball clinics in the country. I thought to myself that if this guy couldn't pull off winning the NBA Finals with LeBron James, D-Wade & Chris Bosh in his team....ano pa ang karapatan niyang magturo pa sa iba. ;)

animo
08-13-2011, 09:54 AM
coach, lets say you're going to put your life long savings in the line on aug. 19. where are you going to place your bet SBC or SSC? and why?



My hard-earned money will go with SBC. A lot of key pieces playing together for a long time vs a 3-headed monster of a team. A coach who's won championships with the very same team vs a coach who came into the picture in the last minute. The program that had been instilled for several years + the annual U.S. training factor should turn the tide in favor of SBC, notwithstanding the Abueva factor.


coach, concerning the x's and o's. if you are the coach of the RL, what strategy are you going to employ on both ends to seal the win? how will you stop or limit the production of the 3 alien looking monster? how will be the match up? what will be you main strategy for the game?

ironcoach
08-13-2011, 09:58 AM
wow! 6'2 pala kayo coach. sayang naman. bakit hindi niyo tinuloy playing basketball? small forward or big guard yun diba? where did you go to college sir?


Ano naman ang ikina-sayang?? I did play a lot of basketball starting from when i was 14 until i got to my 40's. In fact, i had just played a tournament for 40+ year olds in Jakarta last month. Among my teamates were former PBA players Bobby Jose & Joey Sta. Maria. Another tournament is coming up this November in Taiwan. This time my other teamates will be EJ Feihl, Rey Evangelista, Johnny Abarrientos + Jose & Sta. Maria.

We usually play in 2 of those tournaments abroad every year and so far, the places that i've been able to play in were Guilin, China, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Penang, Malaysia, Singapore & Jakarta.

I used to play the 1-2-3 position but lately, i'd rather play the small forward position exclusively. I went to DLSU.

ironcoach
08-13-2011, 10:06 AM
coach, concerning the x's and o's. if you are the coach of the RL, what strategy are you going to employ on both ends to seal the win? how will you stop or limit the production of the 3 alien looking monster? how will be the match up? what will be you main strategy for the game?


Any x's & o's on offense and instant strategies on defense that i can share will never be as effective as the ones that the Red Lions have already learned & have adapted to these past couple of years. My inputs could be the better strategies...but nothing beats familiarity.

razor
08-13-2011, 10:22 AM
Rewards really depend on a person's need and satisfaction. I heard from the grapevine that a former (not me) UAAP coach used to make 400 grand per month while another coach (not me) takes home 12 grand monthly...



Pido getting 400k while Bigote got 12k? Ooops baligtad yata. ;D

maroonmartian
08-13-2011, 10:44 AM
Coach what was your preferred solution for the "dreaded Lasalle press"? I noticed a lot of your press breaks were simple forward passes and short passes.

I believe 1 reason why DLSU had been shooting atrociously these past few seasons is largely in part of their shooters getting too arm-weary from too much pressing and trapping on defense. You can even see them bungle wide-open lay-ups at times.


I agree coach and yan din ang theory ko. Pero bakit noon parang hindi naman napapagod yung players ng La Salle at tuluyang nanalo?



Sa opinion ko lang naman...maybe mas mama na ang katawan nina Cardona, Cortez, Yeo, Tang, Arana, Gaco, Maierhoffer at Casio nun as compared kina Marata, Dela Paz, Revilla, Tampus, Villanueva, Vosotros, Atkins, Torres & Van Opstal now. In my opinion lang naman.


Tingin ko nga rin yan ang pagkakaiba ng "old" DLSU team of Cardona, Casio and Yeo vs "new" DLSU team of Webb, Marata and Villanueva. Di na ako magtaka kung di sila manalo ng crown in their years in DLSU.

Question:
Coach, paano mo aatakihin ang zone defense kung outside shooting mo at drive sa basket di gumagana?

ironcoach
08-13-2011, 11:30 AM
Tingin ko nga rin yan ang pagkakaiba ng "old" DLSU team of Cardona, Casio and Yeo vs "new" DLSU team of Webb, Marata and Villanueva. Di na ako magtaka kung di sila manalo ng crown in their years in DLSU.

Question:
Coach, paano mo aatakihin ang zone defense kung outside shooting mo at drive sa basket di gumagana?


Speaking of Webb, i can't recall him being fielded in in their game the other day ah. Injured maybe??

Kung outside shooting mo at DRIVE SA BASKET di gumagana??? START PRAYING. ;)
Kidding aside, yung offense ko against the zone doesn't have to end up for us resorting to taking outside shots. If you move the ball quick from side to side while 1 of your post guy patiently positions himself from both short corners, there's a big possibility of still ending up with a point-blank undergoal stab.

bydpogi
08-13-2011, 02:41 PM
Tingin ko nga rin yan ang pagkakaiba ng "old" DLSU team of Cardona, Casio and Yeo vs "new" DLSU team of Webb, Marata and Villanueva. Di na ako magtaka kung di sila manalo ng crown in their years in DLSU.

Question:
Coach, paano mo aatakihin ang zone defense kung outside shooting mo at drive sa basket di gumagana?


Speaking of Webb, i can't recall him being fielded in in their game the other day ah. Injured maybe??



Kung outside shooting mo at DRIVE SA BASKET di gumagana??? START PRAYING. ;)
Kidding aside, yung offense ko against the zone doesn't have to end up for us resorting to taking outside shots. If you move the ball quick from side to side while 1 of your post guy patiently positions himself from both short corners, there's a big possibility of still ending up with a point-blank undergoal stab.


Tama ka coach, ganda ng system mo na yan, namyesta nga si Llagas at Espiritu sa ganyang sistema

ironcoach
08-13-2011, 04:26 PM
Tama ka coach, ganda ng system mo na yan, namyesta nga si Llagas at Espiritu sa ganyang sistema


And by the way, our alley-oop plays for Espiritu & Acibar always comes off our opponents zone defense.

animo
08-19-2011, 06:11 PM
coach, lets say you're going to put your life long savings in the line on aug. 19. where are you going to place your bet SBC or SSC? and why?



My hard-earned money will go with SBC. A lot of key pieces playing together for a long time vs a 3-headed monster of a team. A coach who's won championships with the very same team vs a coach who came into the picture in the last minute. The program that had been instilled for several years + the annual U.S. training factor should turn the tide in favor of SBC, notwithstanding the Abueva factor.


coach, talo ang pusta natin ;D
what went wrong?

ironcoach
08-20-2011, 05:05 AM
coach, lets say you're going to put your life long savings in the line on aug. 19. where are you going to place your bet SBC or SSC? and why?



My hard-earned money will go with SBC. A lot of key pieces playing together for a long time vs a 3-headed monster of a team. A coach who's won championships with the very same team vs a coach who came into the picture in the last minute. The program that had been instilled for several years + the annual U.S. training factor should turn the tide in favor of SBC, notwithstanding the Abueva factor.



coach, talo ang pusta natin ;D
what went wrong?


I wasn't able to watch the game. What happened?? I heard that it was just a 2 point loss. Breaks??? Or big factor talaga na wala si Sudan? Well, its common knowledge naman na Beda couldn't have won a single championship without an Ekwe and a Sudan.

john_paul_manahan
08-20-2011, 05:45 AM
Coach,

How would you gameplan against Ateneo's offensive sets?

Big Ticket
08-31-2011, 07:50 PM
coach, were you surprised that ken acibar fell that low in the last draft? i was expecting him to be picked late 1st round or early 2nd round....

toti_mendiola
08-31-2011, 08:26 PM
coach, lets say you're going to put your life long savings in the line on aug. 19. where are you going to place your bet SBC or SSC? and why?



My hard-earned money will go with SBC. A lot of key pieces playing together for a long time vs a 3-headed monster of a team. A coach who's won championships with the very same team vs a coach who came into the picture in the last minute. The program that had been instilled for several years + the annual U.S. training factor should turn the tide in favor of SBC, notwithstanding the Abueva factor.



coach, talo ang pusta natin ;D
what went wrong?


I wasn't able to watch the game. What happened?? I heard that it was just a 2 point loss. Breaks??? Or big factor talaga na wala si Sudan? Well, its common knowledge naman na Beda couldn't have won a single championship without an Ekwe and a Sudan.

coach sa 2nd round meeting vs baste. manalo sbc wala sudan sagot mo inom natin, pag olats sagot ko. ano coach? para makapag inom na tayo.

ironcoach
09-01-2011, 12:53 AM
coach, were you surprised that ken acibar fell that low in the last draft? i was expecting him to be picked late 1st round or early 2nd round....



Im more disappointed than surprised but i also learned a thing or 2 about the kinks and the mechanics in these kind of players drafting.
Aboy Castro of TNT came up to me and expressed how much he wanted Acibar but they didn' t have another 2nd round pick after using up the 12th pick on Pamboy Raymundo. He said that he tried trading up with 1 of Alaska's 4 second round picks to no avail. Acibar also informed me that no less than Tim Cone approached him after the proceedings and told him how they had a mix-up of their lists and that he too wanted Acibar. Same goes with Rain or Shine who also doesn't own a 2nd rounder.

Whether these are spoken from the heart or otherwise, only they would know. But as i've learned from recent draft history, the spot from where a player is drafted is irrelevant unless its in the top 6 or 7. The past 2 years saw a couple of 1st rounder who weren't even given contracts while we see a bunch of undrafted free agents strutting their wares on the PBA hardwood.

I still believe in Kenneth's worth and value as a young professional baller. He's 21 years old, 6'5 and still growing. How can you go wrong?? If it were NBA teams, GM, owners & coaches doing all the drafting, Ken would've gone higher than where he actually landed.
Well, the heaven had spoken and he's left with no other choice but to work his butt off and hope & pray for the best.

In the past drafts that i can recall vividly, Francis Mercado of SBC got drafted with the 15th pick while Ronald Tubid got drafted 16th. Mercado never got to play in the PBA at all while Tubid will be concluding his 9th season in the pros. Another trivia in another time was Al Magpayo of CSB being drafted with the 13th pick and Larry Fonacier with the 14th. Magpayo also never got to play a single PBA game while Fonacier even went on to cop the Rookie of the Year plum that year.

ironcoach
09-01-2011, 01:05 AM
My hard-earned money will go with SBC. A lot of key pieces playing together for a long time vs a 3-headed monster of a team. A coach who's won championships with the very same team vs a coach who came into the picture in the last minute. The program that had been instilled for several years + the annual U.S. training factor should turn the tide in favor of SBC, notwithstanding the Abueva factor.

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coach, talo ang pusta natin ;D
what went wrong?
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I wasn't able to watch the game. What happened?? I heard that it was just a 2 point loss. Breaks??? Or big factor talaga na wala si Sudan? Well, its common knowledge naman na Beda couldn't have won a single championship without an Ekwe and a Sudan.
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coach sa 2nd round meeting vs baste. manalo sbc wala sudan sagot mo inom natin, pag olats sagot ko. ano coach? para makapag inom na tayo.
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Isinama ko rito yung nauna kong post ha. I also thought SBC would be able to hack it out pero nagkamali ako.

Kelan ba ang 2nd round match-up ng Beda-Baste?? Basta sa araw na yan manalo- matalo to-toma tayo.

ironcoach
09-01-2011, 01:16 AM
Coach,

How would you gameplan against Ateneo's offensive sets?


Maybe the usual 2-2-1 zone press then fallback on a 2-3 zone. Maybe a match-up zone then collapse on Slaughter whenever he has the ball ( make him a passer). Maybe a box and 1 on Monfort and let their wingmen handle the play-making chores (take Monfort out of the equation).

So many options...but let them choose their own poison.

genom222
09-01-2011, 05:06 AM
Coach, first of all I'm a big fan, what do you think about Casio being taken number 1 in this year's PBA draft?

ironcoach
09-01-2011, 10:06 AM
Coach, first of all I'm a big fan, what do you think about Casio being taken number 1 in this year's PBA draft?


Casio is hands-down the best point guard in the pool. His stint with Gilas had showcase his playmaking & marksmanship against some of the top national teams in Asia. It also just happened that Powerade was the 1st to pick in the drafting order thats why as bad as that team had been these past couple of years, they opted for the safer pick and that is Jvee Casio.

toti_mendiola
09-01-2011, 11:54 AM
coach sa 2nd round meeting vs baste. manalo sbc wala sudan sagot mo inom natin, pag olats sagot ko. ano coach? para makapag inom na tayo.


Isinama ko rito yung nauna kong post ha. I also thought SBC would be able to hack it out pero nagkamali ako.

Kelan ba ang 2nd round match-up ng Beda-Baste?? Basta sa araw na yan manalo- matalo to-toma tayo.

october pa coach. pero sige coach toma tayo ha. dun tayo sa tomaan na ang sounds eh manila sound. meron pa kaya nun?

ironcoach
09-01-2011, 08:03 PM
Isinama ko rito yung nauna kong post ha. I also thought SBC would be able to hack it out pero nagkamali ako.

Kelan ba ang 2nd round match-up ng Beda-Baste?? Basta sa araw na yan manalo- matalo to-toma tayo.
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october pa coach. pero sige coach toma tayo ha. dun tayo sa tomaan na ang sounds eh manila sound. meron pa kaya nun?
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Ok sa TYA sa tapat ng ABS-CBN & East St. Louis Bar. Puro 80's & 90's ang sounds doon. Karamihan pa ng mga lady patrons dun kundi hiwalay sa asawa, mga hot mommas! ;)

bchoter
09-01-2011, 08:08 PM
Aantayin pa ba ang Octobeer? Bat di pa ngayong Septembeer?

genom222
09-01-2011, 09:49 PM
Coach, first of all I'm a big fan, what do you think about Casio being taken number 1 in this year's PBA draft?


Casio is hands-down the best point guard in the pool. His stint with Gilas had showcase his playmaking & marksmanship against some of the top national teams in Asia. It also just happened that Powerade was the 1st to pick in the drafting order thats why as bad as that team had been these past couple of years, they opted for the safer pick and that is Jvee Casio.


ah ok.... sorry coach mejo naguluhan ako, so was Casio chosen because he is the "safe pick" and not because he was the best player in the draft? Sakin naman walang mali but for me personally I would go for the best player in the draft (which is still difficult for me to determine since this draft is actually very even ang level ng mga draftees, i actually think di malakas tong draft na toh IMO)

thanks ule coach!