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Sam Miguel
11-15-2010, 03:53 PM
Idiots...

Sam Miguel
11-15-2010, 03:56 PM
With no representation from San Beda and Jose Rizal - the two schools with strong to dominant foreign players - the Man Comm decided they will no longer allow foreign players in the NCAA. Apparently it was NOT on the meeting agenda, and it was only discussed as part of the netherworld known as "other matters". Just when I thought the NCAA was actually more progressive in its stand regarding foreign players, this shit happens. I wonder how Arellano - with Charles Mamie and Chris Okpe waiting - responded?

BedanRoar
11-15-2010, 04:29 PM
Ganun..... ??? Many Questions Regarding this decision kung confirned! :o

The_Big_Cat
11-15-2010, 04:44 PM
ALL UAAP teams have at least one foreign player in their roster or doing residency.

To the MANCOM reps and Policy Board members who approved the new ruling, have they even considered how the NCAA teams would fare well against the UAAP teams during the Preseason (FILOIL/FLYING V, Fr. Martin Cup, Nike Summer League, etc) and the PCCL?

Kakainin ng buhay ang NCAA teams ng UAAP teams during these off-season tournaments.

These idiots who approved the new ruling timed it perfectly. NO representatives for SBC and JRU. Mga duwag at traydor!

I think the country's national federation on basketball, Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas should step into this matter.

BedanRoar
11-15-2010, 04:54 PM
Hindi pa pala tapos ang Excitement sa NCAA.....Pinalulubog niyo lang ang ligang ito!!! Maybe it's time to move on 8)

red18
11-15-2010, 08:05 PM
Hindi pa pala tapos ang Excitement sa NCAA.....Pinalulubog niyo lang ang ligang ito!!! Maybe it's time to move on 8)


it's time to bolt out of the NCAA. wala talagang pag asa itong ligang ito.

LION
11-15-2010, 08:42 PM
^ In due time. Let's not even talk about it now.

Let's win 3 straight more before we move on.

sampaloc kid
11-15-2010, 09:48 PM
pabibili ko na lang kay bossing ang NC para masaya lahat. ;D

jaysonicBOOM
11-15-2010, 09:56 PM
@sampy

ikaw ba yun taga-pamalengke ni hans?

bhinov
11-15-2010, 09:57 PM
^ Hahaha

Wala ako masabi sa balitang yan, antayin ko nalang magkaron ng press release.

sampaloc kid
11-15-2010, 10:11 PM
bulok na talaga liga nyo. walang import kasi walang pambayad na pera wahahahahaha. iiwan na kayo niyan si sudan lilipat na sa UAAP para mas masaya sa amin. ;D

6thmaninred
11-15-2010, 11:00 PM
Hindi pa pala tapos ang Excitement sa NCAA.....Pinalulubog niyo lang ang ligang ito!!! Maybe it's time to move on 8)


it's time to bolt out of the NCAA. wala talagang pag asa itong ligang ito.


sabi nga ni Ms. Olen sa Pula FB page -- "SAN BEDA COMMUNITY..brace yourself for things to come" ;)

UIOGD

animo
11-16-2010, 11:40 AM
i bet fans of other teams are already celebrating as if they are going to win the championship next season ;D
haaay... pinoy mentality... if you can't beat them, drag them ;D

OT
i think pinoy should learn from pacman. he fought and beat the best opponent. not a cry baby.

naz-T
11-16-2010, 01:00 PM
I think this is stupid thing for NCAA. But before we all react to this, let us wait for the official words from the NCAA.

If implemented, sa tingin ko naman hindi lang SBC ang tatamaan dito. Mas malaki ang magiging epekto nito sa ibang teams kesa SBC. JRU has 2 foreign players and i think AU is also parading 2 foreign players.

For SBC, with or without Su Daniel, malakas parin. I think ang nagpanalo sa SBC is not only Su, but because SBC has the deepest bech. And with almost the whole team returning next season, SBC is still the team to beat.

Schortsanitis
11-16-2010, 02:06 PM
I would to know what San Sebastian College thinks of this ban. Anybody from Baste care to answer this? Just curious.

Schortsanitis
11-16-2010, 02:26 PM
I'm not gonna comment anymore about SBC leaving the NCAA, because it obviously is easier said than done.

Besides, I'm not sure if SBC will be welcomed in the UAAP either. There are jerks in every organization.

It just so happens that the jerks in the NCAA are the ones dishing it out against SBC. In that case, we really have no choice, but to just take whatever bullshi_ they give out if we are going to stay with those morons.

sk8frk
11-16-2010, 02:52 PM
Dahil dito malamang mauso na naman ang pamimirata ng players. Magaling magaling..

6thmaninred
11-16-2010, 09:53 PM
to ManCom:

ONLY SAN BEDA CAN MAKE NCAA LOOK GOOD!

Please always keep that in mind!
PAX!

UIOGD
ANIMO!

sk8frk
11-16-2010, 11:05 PM
manCOM? E mga duwag naman pala yan e.. tsk tsk

danny
11-17-2010, 04:42 AM
THE LUNATICS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE ASYLUM!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

danny
11-17-2010, 04:44 AM
Hindi pa pala tapos ang Excitement sa NCAA.....Pinalulubog niyo lang ang ligang ito!!! Maybe it's time to move on 8)


TIME TO DISMANTLE THE NCAA.

LION
11-17-2010, 10:50 AM
Crab mentality
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket, describes a way of thinking best described by the phrase "if I can't have it, neither should you." The metaphor refers to a pot of crabs. Singly, the crabs could easily escape from the pot, but instead, they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise. The analogy in human behavior is that of a group that will attempt to "pull down" (negate or diminish the importance of) any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of jealousy or competitive feelings.

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red18
11-17-2010, 11:49 AM
a perfect example is MANCOM! the mother of all SBC haters. I AGREE, Time to dismantle the NCAA.

Joescoundrel
11-17-2010, 12:08 PM
How did Perpetual react to this plan? They have a very good African off-guard in their B Team, who I think will be at least a 30 ppg scorer in the NCAA next season.

After the residency brouhaha in the summer they now have this. Maybe Perpetual should bolt the NCAA as well.

franz_inwurdz
11-17-2010, 02:54 PM
wala silang channel 34. :D

LION
11-17-2010, 06:34 PM
THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
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PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.


Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

xxx

Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.


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Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

xxx

Article 26.

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(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace. (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

xxx

Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

LION
11-17-2010, 06:45 PM
The NCAA is a racist organization. Here's why:

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Source: WIKIPEDIA

The International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD) is a United Nations convention. A second-generation human rights instrument, the Convention commits its members to the elimination of racial discrimination and the promotion of understanding among all races.[5] Controversially, the Convention also requires its parties to outlaw hate speech and criminalize membership in racist organizations.[6]

The Convention also includes an individual complaints mechanism, effectively making it enforceable against its parties. This has led to the development of a limited jurisprudence on the interpretation and implementation of the Convention.

The convention was adopted and opened for signature by the United Nations General Assembly on December 21, 1965,[7] and entered into force on January 4, 1969. As of October 2009, it had 85 signatories and 173 parties.[1]

The Convention is monitored by the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD).

admiral thrawn
11-17-2010, 10:08 PM
the ban is ULTRA VIRES..

Schortsanitis
11-17-2010, 10:17 PM
By the way, I hope the MANCOM is not stupid enough (then again ...) to insist in a total ban next year of foreign athletes. The proper thing for them to do, is institute a cut off, leading to a slow transition. Meaning: All foreign players who are now either playing, or have undergone residency already should be allowed to play. But starting next year, no foreign player will be allowed to undergo residency to play for another school.

Ang tanong lang: Ano magiging excuse nila Alas at Agustin pag ala ng foreign players, pero di pa rin manalo-nalo team nila ng championship? LOL

animo
11-17-2010, 10:36 PM
THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.


Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

xxx

Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.


xxx

Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

xxx

Article 26.

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(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace. (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

xxx

Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.







if ncaa will indeed ban foreign athletes, does it mean that mancom will violate laws and can be charge in court?

danny
11-18-2010, 04:32 AM
Rest assured that I will do my part in telling the world, that there exist a racist and anti-foreign amateur league in the Philippines.

Not to mention the scheming way of this retarded organization who intends to pass a racist rule via stealth. And they call themselves institutions of higher learning.

danny
11-18-2010, 05:00 AM
Event Horizon. Crossing the Rubicon.


;D :D :D :D

danny
11-18-2010, 01:47 PM
Discrimination in Pinoy amateur sports is alive!

As a people who understand discrimination from Hong Kong to America, from India to China, Italy to Ireland, what in the world are you doing NCAA. Reverse discrimination? Reverse racism? Are you retarded?

Time to retreat MANCOM. Save face.

;D ;D ;D

Joescoundrel
11-18-2010, 03:07 PM
If the NCAA Man Comm has committed a crime with this policy, what crime is it, and where should they be thus charged? Can anybody go to say the nearest police precinct and report them (or pa-blotter nga ba tawag diyan?) and then have them arrested?

danny
11-18-2010, 03:29 PM
If the NCAA Man Comm has committed a crime with this policy, what crime is it, and where should they be thus charged? Can anybody go to say the nearest police precinct and report them (or pa-blotter nga ba tawag diyan?) and then have them arrested?


Crooks can roam around free in Manila. Jueteng lords can have a basketball team.

GMA is still free. Plunder is a bigger crime but she will never be punished. Military adventurism is allowed, yet the 43 health workers are still in jail.

This one will be resolved by other means. Taking the crown over and over and over and over... and exposing their discriminatory tactics around the world.

Tic tac tic tac...

Time to retreat Mancom.

lekiboy
11-18-2010, 03:35 PM
If the NCAA Man Comm has committed a crime with this policy, what crime is it, and where should they be thus charged? Can anybody go to say the nearest police precinct and report them (or pa-blotter nga ba tawag diyan?) and then have them arrested?


Post of the month from Boss Joe. :)

danny
11-18-2010, 03:41 PM
This is going to be a good case study on how discrimination develops in a society whose people are themselves subjected to this very shit abroad. The discriminated fighting back with discrimination in sports. IN SPORTS.

The west has historically been discriminatory in sports via race, gender, religion and even class.

Now an underdeveloped society is aping the historical mistakes of the west. Wow!

Funny people, this NCAA Mancom. :D

lekiboy
11-18-2010, 03:46 PM
Funny people, this NCAA Mancom. :D


naku- wag mo na ilibre ang mga yan sa lecture, danny.... di nila arok at di sila mulat...

simpleng katangahan lang yan...myopic and tunnel visioned...

isang salita- GAHAMAN- o kaya "Nuknukang mga OPORTUNISTA!"

admiral thrawn
11-18-2010, 06:56 PM
If the NCAA Man Comm has committed a crime with this policy, what crime is it, and where should they be thus charged? Can anybody go to say the nearest police precinct and report them (or pa-blotter nga ba tawag diyan?) and then have them arrested?

It is not a crime per se mr. joe.. I think mr. lion is pointing some principles that maybe used to question the validity of the alleged new regulation banning foreigners in the NCAA if this matter will go to court for judicial review.

gelaibabydoll
11-18-2010, 07:27 PM
http://mb.com.ph/articles/288286/letran-seeks-ban-imports

Letran seeks ban on 'imports'
By WAYLON GALVEZ
November 18, 2010, 6:54pm

MANILA, Philippines — A member of the NCAA policy board has proposed a ban on foreign players apparently in reaction to teams having undue advantage over those without “imports.”

Letran rector and president Fr. Tamerlane R. Lana, O.P. made the proposal in a two-page position paper saying that foreign players recruited for the sole purpose of winning championships is a deviation from the purpose of camaraderie and sportsmanship of the league.

“It is not only a deviation from the purpose but even a corruption of the values upheld by the NCAA members as academic institutions,” he said.

Fr. Lana submitted his proposal during a board meeting last Nov. 12 and the Management Committee (MANCOM) has been instructed to make a recommendation before a joint meeting next month.

Fr. Lana said that there is a good reason to believe that these imports come here primarily “not to study but to play, and worse to play for pay.” Besides, he said the imports have displaced local players who are deprived of good education and recognition.

Of the nine NCAA member schools, only Letran, Mapua, San Sebastian College and College of St. Benilde have no foreign players who played last this year although some of them have foreigners with Filipino blood as students and athletes.

Those with foreign players were San Beda, Jose Rizal, Perpetual, Arellano University and Emilio Aguinaldo College.

Of the schools with foreign players, San Beda has proven to be the most successful in exploiting the advantage.

The Red Lions won three straight championships (2006-2008) with Nigerian Sam Ekwe as its star and then again this year with Sudan Daniel, an American.

San Beda officials were not available for comment.

The Policy Board meeting, which was represented by various school officials, was presided by SSC’s president Fr. Anthony Murillo. The MANCOM is headed by Frank Gusi, who is expected to call a meeting next week to discuss the issue.

Schortsanitis
11-18-2010, 07:47 PM
How the hell can they say that the likes of Sudan Daniels are here only for "Pay for Play"?

As if all local players in the NCAA are there mainly to get an education (shakes head) ...

tulf
11-18-2010, 08:16 PM
How the hell can that fuc_ing Priest say that the likes of Sudan Daniels are here only for "Pay for Play"? That's a stupi_ accussation.

As if all local players in the NCAA are there mainly to get an education (shakes head) ...



eh yung mga overaged at mga hindi graduate ng high school na players, were they recruited for education?

kerouac82
11-18-2010, 08:44 PM
http://mb.com.ph/articles/288286/letran-seeks-ban-imports

Letran seeks ban on 'imports'
By WAYLON GALVEZ
November 18, 2010, 6:54pm

MANILA, Philippines — A member of the NCAA policy board has proposed a ban on foreign players apparently in reaction to teams having undue advantage over those without “imports.”

Letran rector and president Fr. Tamerlane R. Lana, O.P. made the proposal in a two-page position paper saying that foreign players recruited for the sole purpose of winning championships is a deviation from the purpose of camaraderie and sportsmanship of the league.

“It is not only a deviation from the purpose but even a corruption of the values upheld by the NCAA members as academic institutions,” he said.

Fr. Lana submitted his proposal during a board meeting last Nov. 12 and the Management Committee (MANCOM) has been instructed to make a recommendation before a joint meeting next month.

Fr. Lana said that there is a good reason to believe that these imports come here primarily “not to study but to play, and worse to play for pay.” Besides, he said the imports have displaced local players who are deprived of good education and recognition.

Of the nine NCAA member schools, only Letran, Mapua, San Sebastian College and College of St. Benilde have no foreign players who played last this year although some of them have foreigners with Filipino blood as students and athletes.

Those with foreign players were San Beda, Jose Rizal, Perpetual, Arellano University and Emilio Aguinaldo College.

Of the schools with foreign players, San Beda has proven to be the most successful in exploiting the advantage.

The Red Lions won three straight championships (2006-2008) with Nigerian Sam Ekwe as its star and then again this year with Sudan Daniel, an American.

San Beda officials were not available for comment.

The Policy Board meeting, which was represented by various school officials, was presided by SSC’s president Fr. Anthony Murillo. The MANCOM is headed by Frank Gusi, who is expected to call a meeting next week to discuss the issue.


Mag-compare na lang kasi ng mga transcript para magkaalaman.

Schortsanitis
11-18-2010, 08:59 PM
eh yung mga overaged at mga hindi graduate ng high school na players, were they recruited for education?


Siyempre, yung mga mali lang na di sila affected ang pupunahin. Pag affected na sila, aba, wag ka na maingay. LOL

Andami pang mga "mali" dyan na puede ko punahin, pero wag muna. Mamaya-maya na ako bubuwelta ...

danny
11-19-2010, 12:22 AM
The cat is out..... time to post around the world.

Letran's discriminatory tendencies will not get unnnoticed. Oh friar, Fray Turquemada is long dead. You people lost the Inquisition.

But lo and behold, we have a modern Fray Turquemada in our midst. A modern day Damaso if you may. (Franisciscan or Dominican, not an issue... it's Damaso's character that is in question). :P

Letran.
Baste.
Benilde.


Watch their moves. They are testing the water.

Let's move fast Red Army.

padredamaso
11-19-2010, 01:41 AM
Questions for Tamerlane Lana.

1. From 2000 up to the present, how many Letran Knights have actually graduated and earned their degrees?

2. Are your Letran Knights attending their classes?

3. Why is it that Letran discriminates against fresh HS graduates and prefer to pirate older guys already playing in other leagues? Are these old players real student-athletes?

4. What is the academic standing of Letran? What is the academic reputation of Letran?

5. What was your involvement in the botched plan to construct a billion peso hospital in UST? Why was it stopped by the higher authorities?

6. Are the grade school students of Letran being required to watch NCAA games to bolster attendance? Why is that necessary?

7. Why is the student population of Letran declining? Is it a barometer of the relevance of Letran as an academic institution?

8. What is the general profile of your young alumni? What and who are they in the community?

9. Do you understand how basketball is played? Do you know that it is a team game? Do you even know the rules of the game? Do you know how your team plays?

10. What is your basis for saying that foreign players are mercenaries? Isn't your statement a sweeping generalization made without any credible evidence to back up such claim? You are a priest and you slandered the very few foreign players currently playing in the NCAA?

11. Who were displaced by the foreign players? How many? 1? 2? 3? 5? The numbers are alarming? Isn't it that there are existing rules limiting the number of foreign players per team and how many can play at the same time for each team?

12. Why is that you maliciously hid your proposal to ban foreign players in the "Other Matters" portion of the agenda? Why did you surreptitiously hide your proposal? Why resort to such sinister ploy, Father? Is that the kind of values you are talking about?

13. Why can't you follow rules, father? The NCAA rules require that such proposal must be made and discussed in the annual meeting. You refused to follow that requirement? Why? Because you have to do it clandestinely? Is that the Dominican way, father?

These are my questions for now. More to follow, Father.

danny
11-19-2010, 05:18 AM
San Beda to the NCAA.



Update on NCAA Ban on Foreign Basketball Players

Back after the Jake Pascual case...

I got hold of a copy of this letter.

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San Beda College
Office of the Rector-President

November 15, 2010

Rev. Fr. Anthony Morillo
NCAA Policy Board President

Dear Fr. Morillo:

This has reference to the motion to revise and/or amend existing policies of the NCAA Rules prohibiting the participation of foreign students to play in the basketball tournaments of the association.

The undersigned in behalf of San Beda College would like to manifest its strong and vigorous opposition to the motion proposed last November 12, 2010, considering that the process over which the motion was propounded and carried runs contrary to the NCAA Constitution and By-Laws, more particularly Section 7.1 which provides that any amendments to existing rules could only be done during the annual meeting and that the votes of 2/3 of all the members of the policy board is required in order to approve such revision and/or amendments.

For the record the proposition to prohibit foreign players was not specifically included in the agenda but was surreptitiously tackled as other matters. The members were not sufficiently informed ahead of the major revision as proposed hence could not effectively study the pros and cons of such.

In this regard, a meeting of the policy board is urgently requested to address this issue.

Thank you.

Sincerely yours,

Aloysius Ma. A,. Maranan, OSB

Cc: NCAA Policy Board Members
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Notes:

1. The meeting was a regular meeting presided by Fr. Morillo, SSCR Rector-President, with the members/ representatives of San Beda and Jose Rizal absent. In the case of San Beda, Father Rector got the notice of meeting 3 days before, had other commitments, and after reading the agenda, decided to skip the meeting. Mari Lacson has been in the United States, could not represent San Beda in that meeting, and would return at the end of this week. And it was NOT the ANNUAL MEETING.

2. Reportedly the meeting went on as scheduled and per agenda. When the agenda item on ‘Other Matters’ was up, copies of a motion/2-page paper were distributed to the attendees. Allegedly the motion was to ban foreigners from playing in NCAA basketball tournaments starting in 2011. The motion was introduced and seconded. There were no discussions and no objections. Then the motion was passed on to the MANCOM to flesh out the details. This is the STATUS QUO, unless the guidelines have been railroaded once more.

3. As mentioned in the above letter, amendments to any rules per the NCAA Constitution and By-Laws have to be carried out during the annual meeting and by a 2/3 vote. There are now seven (7) regular members: Letran, San Sebastian, Benilde, San Beda, Jose Rizal and Mapua, Perpetual. EAC and Arellano still have no voting rights.

2/3 of 7 would be rounded up to 5; hence the alleged perpetrators [LETRAN, SAN SEBASTIAN, BENILDE] need two more votes for the motion to be in effect. On the other side San Beda needs to get two. The swing votes would be Mapua, Perpetual and Jose Rizal..

[My] Notes:

4. Reportedly Jose Rizal will side with the perpetrators because the guidelines may be crafted to allow a phase-out for the current crop of foreigners playing to run out their eligible years. And its management may no longer support its failed and expensive experiment of having two foreigners in its line-up to end their long title drought.

5. Perpetual may side with San Beda after its bad experience with the MANCOM disallowing Gomez and Nuilan from playing in the NCAA just prior to season 86.

6. Mapua?

7. A compromise similar to that of #4 may be hatched by the MANCOM and this may actually be the strategy to soften the stance of a member-school with foreign players and eventually accede to ban such players from playing NCAA basketball ever.

8. What needs to be done? Get at least two of the following: Perpetual, Mapua and Jose Rizal to side wih the logic and reasoning of San Beda towards maintaining, if not further improving competitiveness in the NCAA..

9. While this move by a few members of the NCAA [allegedly spearheaded by the Letran rector-president] is packaged as ‘nationalistic’ [All-Filipino, racist in fact], and as ‘leveling the playing field’ [in favor of poorly-funded, inferior sports programs], it would eventually lower the level of competitiveness of NCAA teams when they play out of the league. The NCAA is bound to be kind-of-a PBL [Pang Barangay League].

10. Fr. Lana says that there is a good reason to believe that these imports come here primarily “not to study but to play, and worse to play for pay.” Besides, he said the imports have displaced local players who are deprived of good education and recognition.

Coach Lim says, instead: ‘Tell them to teach their players to compete. Improve their programs, recruit better players and not have that crab mentality. They obviously cannot do those things so their solution is to make their opponents weak…[censored]’

Additionally,
‘Perhaps this trend is part of the globalization of the game which is seen everywhere, from the FIBA World Championship to the NBA. Teams are filled with players who may not reside in the land of their heritage but wear their colors in international play…As long as rules governing these players are followed to the letter, like those on eligibility and on how many can be on the court at a given time, then we should begin to view this as part of the evolution of the game here at home. Homegrown talents will just have to hustle more because their spots and playing time are no longer guaranteed.‘ Sev Sarmenta, Philippine Daily Inquirer 6/28/2010.

11. Moreover the long list of devious and adversarial moves of some of the NCAA officials against San Beda must not be condoned and its continued participation in such a league must be closely assessed and evaluated by the whole SBC community.

danny
11-19-2010, 05:25 AM
Parang mga snatcher kung umarangkada ano? May papuslit puslit pang nalalaman. Ulul..may mole kami sa lahat ng meeting niyo. :D

Mananambol
11-19-2010, 05:32 AM
Indeed a serious accusation coming from Fr. Lana. It really is alarming... tsk tsk tsk.

Regular Grey
11-19-2010, 07:46 AM
LANA talaga pag asa itong Letran!

Joescoundrel
11-19-2010, 09:11 AM
Let me see if I might take a look at this from another angle:

As a private organization, how much leeway does the NCAA have in terms of making its own policies?

Based on one of the posts above, it seems the NCAA has procedural rules to follow when it comes to matters of policy, i.e. matters of policy (such as a proposed ban on foreign players) need to be done in a certain manner.

Let us say these procedures / rules were not followed, can such proposal still be taken up and decided upon by the NCAA? Or does this automatically render the same not valid?

Short of committing a crime it seems as a private organization the NCAA can very well do as it pleases in terms of its own rules and policies. But what are the other limits, if any?

If they've broken the law with this ban then by all means let us charge them properly.

However if they have not, looks like that's just the way the ball bounces...

Mang_Roger
11-19-2010, 10:47 AM
Just like any private organization or group, the NCAA has a lot of leeway in coming up with its own rules free from the interference of the courts. Sense of decency, delicadeza and/or rational thinking is/are the only safeguard(s) that a decent member may rely on in hoping that its co-members will never come up with totally absurd rules or policies.

Unfortunately for San Beda, NCAA is plagued with officers lacking with the above-mentioned traits. Bastusan at wala nang respetuhan. The league is being run like an inter-barangay tourney. It is akin being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

cool
11-19-2010, 10:53 AM
Father Lana is courageous (foolish) enough to articulate what many feel.

He claims "corruption of the values upheld by the NCAA members as academic institutions.” "Fr. Lana said that there is a good reason to believe that these imports come here primarily “not to study but to play, and worse to play for pay.”

College hoops (UAAP/NCAA) is no longer an amateur league for students, it's gone pro.

Unfortunately, the good father confines his revelation only to "imports" and not to the system in general. Hence, it appears that he's singling out San Beda. But in fact, many teams in the NCAA and UAAP are affected because they have opted to go the professional route for all its players.

1. what are the rules for recruitment? If the school doesn't directly shell out the cash and make the promises/commitments, is it ok? Obviously, yes.

Spell out the rules so that the public may know ... but the officials prefer to keep it under the rug because infractions are the rule, not the exceptions.

2. are they really students? when do they find the time to study? is there a procedure for verifying if indeed, these players attend classes, comply with academic requirements, earn their diplomas ... if at all?

Chris Soller wrote a good article a few years back. He propounds that mo' money" has turned college hoops into a pro league, no longer a student league.

It would be great if San Beda can refute Father Lana's public accusations by showing to the public how Daniels was recruited sans infractions and how he's a bona fide student. Then San Beda can challenge the other schools to be just as transparent. That way, there will be a genuine feeling that sportsmanship at its best is being followed, not machinations.

Today, many are getting alienated with college hoops because the impression is that the athletes are not students, do not really represent the school. It has become "pera-pera." The affluent schools who not only have the money but are willing to bend the rules are of course favored over the less wealthy schools who cannot count on influential alumni.

What happens is pros fighting against students. Not a level playing field at all.

lekiboy
11-19-2010, 10:53 AM
and the losers are jumping into the bandwagon...pointing their fingers to whoever they can blame for their misery, incomptence and failures....

nnahoj
11-19-2010, 11:33 AM
If the good father really wants to stop "corruption" and the hiring of "mercenaries" in the NCAA, why not create an independent body whose sole purpose is to monitor and have the power to declare a player ineligible as well as impose sanctions to a school who gives money to their students playing in ALL SPORTS. It's a better long-term solution than the proposed banning of a certain group of students.

razor
11-19-2010, 11:59 AM
It would be great if San Beda can refute Father Lana's public accusations by showing to the public how Daniels was recruited sans infractions and how he's a bona fide student. Then San Beda can challenge the other schools to be just as transparent. That way, there will be a genuine feeling that sportsmanship at its best is being followed, not machinations.



So San Beda now has the burden of proving that it is guiltless or innocent of the unfounded and malicious allegations of the Very Reverend Father Lana? That's something new.

In any case, Bedans are prepared to discuss this issue as we are supremely confident that Sam Ekwe and Sudan Daniel are legitimate student-athletes. They don't receive any benefits not available to other Red Lions as insinuated by Lana in the media. Sam spent four years in San Beda and graduated in 2009. Su is expected to follow suit and will earn his degree in due time. Heck, Kelvin Emeka even made it to the Dean's List right before he went AWOL in the US.

Don't you think Sam looks swell in his Red Toga?

http://michecesa.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dsc_0001.jpg?w=199&h=300

;)

admiral thrawn
11-19-2010, 12:09 PM
I think the Philippine Sports Commission is the appropriate govenment body for school sports..read RA 6847

admiral thrawn
11-19-2010, 01:09 PM
Just like any private organization or group, the NCAA has a lot of leeway in coming up with its own rules free from the interference of the courts. Sense of decency, delicadeza and/or rational thinking is/are the only safeguard(s) that a decent member may rely on in hoping that its co-members will never come up with totally absurd rules or policies.



may exception dito sir...

" Questions of policy and of management are left to the honest decision of the officers and directors of a corporation, and the courts are without authority to substitute their judgment for the judgment of the board of directors. The board is the business manager of the corporation, and so long as it acts in good faith, its orders are not reviewable by the courts.

Thus, notwithstanding the regulatory power of the SEC over the PSE, and the resultant authority to reverse the PSE's decision in matters of application for listing in the market, the SEC may exercise such power only if the PSE's judgment is attended by bad faith. In Board of Liquidators vs. Kalaw, 13 it was held that bad faith does not simply connote bad judgment or negligence. It imports a dishonest purpose or some moral obliquity and conscious doing of wrong. It means a breach of a known duty through some motive or interest of ill will, partaking of the nature of fraud.(PSE vs. CA G.R. No. 125469)

Kung pa-traidor isunulong ang proposal...ehehehe pasok sa exception...pwedeng dalhin sa husgado ang nagyaring kababalaghan sa NCAA

Schortsanitis
11-19-2010, 01:56 PM
Kung sino yung mga kupal na mahihina, yun pa ang mga namamayagpag sa NCAA.

What we have here, are a bunch of idiots, HIDING BEHIND THE BANNER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS TO MASK THEIR INABILITIES AND INCOMPETENCE.

Natatalo kami, iba ang sisisihin namin DAHIL HINDI NAMIN KAYA MAKIPAG KUMPETENSYA.

Mukhang ganyan nga talaga ang ugali ng ibang mga Paring Katoliko, at ibang mga Katoliko mismo.

Mang_Roger
11-19-2010, 02:48 PM
Father Lana is courageous (foolish) enough to articulate what many feel.

He claims "corruption of the values upheld by the NCAA members as academic institutions.” "Fr. Lana said that there is a good reason to believe that these imports come here primarily “not to study but to play, and worse to play for pay.”

College hoops (UAAP/NCAA) is no longer an amateur league for students, it's gone pro.

Unfortunately, the good father confines his revelation only to "imports" and not to the system in general. Hence, it appears that he's singling out San Beda. But in fact, many teams in the NCAA and UAAP are affected because they have opted to go the professional route for all its players.

1. what are the rules for recruitment? If the school doesn't directly shell out the cash and make the promises/commitments, is it ok? Obviously, yes.

Spell out the rules so that the public may know ... but the officials prefer to keep it under the rug because infractions are the rule, not the exceptions.

2. are they really students? when do they find the time to study? is there a procedure for verifying if indeed, these players attend classes, comply with academic requirements, earn their diplomas ... if at all?

Chris Soller wrote a good article a few years back. He propounds that mo' money" has turned college hoops into a pro league, no longer a student league.

It would be great if San Beda can refute Father Lana's public accusations by showing to the public how Daniels was recruited sans infractions and how he's a bona fide student. Then San Beda can challenge the other schools to be just as transparent. That way, there will be a genuine feeling that sportsmanship at its best is being followed, not machinations.

Today, many are getting alienated with college hoops because the impression is that the athletes are not students, do not really represent the school. It has become "pera-pera." The affluent schools who not only have the money but are willing to bend the rules are of course favored over the less wealthy schools who cannot count on influential alumni.

What happens is pros fighting against students. Not a level playing field at all.


San Beda now has the burden to disprove what the priest from letran was yacking about? Who told you that everything he said was the accepted truth? Ayusin mo muna premise mo.

Ganito na lang, quiz bee sila abueva at adeogun or sudan. Pag tinalo ni abueva si adeogun or sudan lalayas San Beda sa NCAA. Pag natalo si abueva kumain kayo ng isang sakong mothballs. ;D

admiral thrawn
11-19-2010, 02:52 PM
Saan kaya napulot ni Fr. Lana yung mga alegasyon nya...sa PEX???:)

Gym_Rat
11-19-2010, 02:59 PM
Let's tone down a bit the rants and name calling here, guys.

If reason is with you, let it carry your cause. You need nothing more.

Thanks.

danny
11-19-2010, 03:00 PM
Apartheid existed before in South Africa, yes? Afro-Americans were once slaves, yes? Women were not allowed to attend universities before, yes? Filipinos were called indios, yes? The Jews were expelled from Europe during the Inquisition...then butchered by the Nazi Party, yes?

Legal or not, discrimination is still discrimination.

Such a backward society discussing the legality of discrimination in sports. "Umuusad" ng paurong.

:D

danny
11-19-2010, 03:20 PM
^^^

Pero sige, battle in all fronts. ;)

This pesky small school in Mendiola just won't die.

The_Big_Cat
11-19-2010, 05:06 PM
Ban this!
by Charlie Cuna
inboundpass.com
Friday, 19 November 2010 Views / 1 Comment

EVERY learning institution, whether school, college or university, is supposedly endowed with academic freedom, which, when roughly explained, entitles them to decide, subject to reasonable regulation, on what to teach (subject matter), how to teach it (method), who can teach it (faculty members) and who it will teach (students). Thus, assuming a student passes the prerequisite entrance exam of the particular learning institution and complies with other criteria for admission, he should be admitted if he so chooses to enroll, and enjoy the rights and privileges of all regular students. This may admit of certain exceptions, but generally, this is how it should be.

Thus, if a learning institution decides to admit foreign or non-Filipino students into its complement, then such students should, generally, be treated like any other student. Surely, if the requirement of the institution presupposes the student is a Filipino, then a foreign student need not comply (military training comes to mind). But, the issue at hand involves the right to play – basketball in particular, NCAA basketball, to be even more precise. Every member college (and a couple of universities) of the NCAA basketball tournament does not exclude foreign students from enrolling. Likewise, none of them disallows their foreign students from trying-out for the different athletic teams and, if found to be worthy, to compete in representation of the college, wearing the colors and college name on their uniforms.

The latest news reports claim that the NCAA is contemplating imposing a ban on foreign students of each member from competing. The vague part is whether the ban involves only basketball or all other sports. Either way, if the reports are true, then another sad day in Philippine sports is nearly upon us.

In the past, certain personalities in Philippine sports have, in the guise of advocating nationalism, objected to the presence of any type of foreigner, whether as an athlete a coach and/or an official. Local talent, they said, should be the priority. Grassroots programs should produce future superstars in different sports. It is these homegrown talents that should be tapped to play and coach sports in this country. Why should we bring in “imports”, who deprive Filipinos of slots on team rosters and opportunities at further success? The Filipino-first mentality shifted from commercial products to athletes. Leagues implemented a rule that only one (1) foreign player can be on the floor at a time (Remember the Lago brothers of DLSU in the UAAP, who were never on the floor together?). There were pros and cons, there were advocates and there were protesters. What really is the objective of these personalities? Is it noble? Is it self-serving? And how has it affected sports in our country? You be the judge.

Lately, the San Beda experiment of hulking, high-leaping foreign big men has resulted in great success. There are others that sought “foreign intervention” in the hopes of improving their teams (JRU in the NCAA, and most teams in the UAAP). Some have benefitted greatly, others, not much. Should there even be an issue of foreign students playing sports? What is the problem? Is there an undue advantage? How different is recruiting a foreign student to study at your school and to play varsity ball, from pirating the biggest, most-talented big man from the Visayas or Mindanao to play out his eligibility in Metro Manila (which every school does!)?

It is the opinion here that, rather than impose a total ban on foreign students playing in the NCAA, the league governing body should impose more stringent regulatory measures on these so-called “imports”. The scores of the foreign student in the school entrance exam should be readily and voluntarily submitted to the governing body, to prove the student indeed qualified to enroll. The student should maintain a certain grade point average, failing in which he will be ineligible to play (actually this should be for all students, but perhaps more so for foreign student-athletes). The bottom line is, if the student, whether a foreigner or a Filipino, legitimately passed the entrance exam, and is getting good grades, then he should be eligible to play. Reasonable regulations may, and perhaps should, be imposed (like the “one foreigner-at-a-time” rule above-stated, which is actually ridiculous in itself anyway), but a total ban is outrageous and ill-timed. Advocates say that the ban will lead to a “more level playing field”. The field may be more level, yes, but the level may be so low that Philippine sports as a whole will suffer.

Further, by advocating the total ban, are these advocates saying that just because a student-athlete is a foreigner, he is presumably, if not actually, better than Filipino student-athletes? We all know that is not the case. So many heralded foreign players have flopped in their NCAA or UAAP stints. There are so many questions to answer on the issue. Suspicion will abound should the governing body approve the total ban so hastily.

The shunning of foreign student-athletes is amusing, especially since, when a school wants to “improve its program”, it sends its teams abroad, to play against teams in the United States, Europe, Australia and other parts of Asia. Filipinos (except Ateneans) were thrilled that a US NCAA Division I university like Western Kentucky recruited Japeth Aguilar away from the UAAP. Lucky for Japeth the US NCAA has not banned foreign students from playing for member teams. The jury is still out on how much Japeth improved, but clearly, he was a stronger, more polished player when he returned. So many foreigners have made their mark on US NCAA Division I basketball (e.g., Australians Andrew Gaze for Seton Hall and Andrew Bogut of Utah, Lithuanian Linas Kleiza of Missouri, and then-Nigerian Hakeem Olajuwon of Houston). Schools abroad have recruited our golfers, tennis players and swimmers, and we gladly send them there. Why is there a double standard?

Tons of comments have been given on this matter, and many say that foreign players, if they are really any good, will only make the locals that much better. This should be the attitude adopted by the homegrown talents. A good local player should drool at the chance to face a heralded “import”, if only to show that he can compete with, if not outshine, the latter. Let the players showcase their talent on the court and may the best ones win, whether Filipino or foreign. Amen to that.

animo
11-19-2010, 05:35 PM
Ban this!
by Charlie Cuna
inboundpass.com
Friday, 19 November 2010 Views / 1 Comment

EVERY learning institution, whether school, college or university, is supposedly endowed with academic freedom, which, when roughly explained, entitles them to decide, subject to reasonable regulation, on what to teach (subject matter), how to teach it (method), who can teach it (faculty members) and who it will teach (students). Thus, assuming a student passes the prerequisite entrance exam of the particular learning institution and complies with other criteria for admission, he should be admitted if he so chooses to enroll, and enjoy the rights and privileges of all regular students. This may admit of certain exceptions, but generally, this is how it should be.

Thus, if a learning institution decides to admit foreign or non-Filipino students into its complement, then such students should, generally, be treated like any other student. Surely, if the requirement of the institution presupposes the student is a Filipino, then a foreign student need not comply (military training comes to mind). But, the issue at hand involves the right to play – basketball in particular, NCAA basketball, to be even more precise. Every member college (and a couple of universities) of the NCAA basketball tournament does not exclude foreign students from enrolling. Likewise, none of them disallows their foreign students from trying-out for the different athletic teams and, if found to be worthy, to compete in representation of the college, wearing the colors and college name on their uniforms.

The latest news reports claim that the NCAA is contemplating imposing a ban on foreign students of each member from competing. The vague part is whether the ban involves only basketball or all other sports. Either way, if the reports are true, then another sad day in Philippine sports is nearly upon us.

In the past, certain personalities in Philippine sports have, in the guise of advocating nationalism, objected to the presence of any type of foreigner, whether as an athlete a coach and/or an official. Local talent, they said, should be the priority. Grassroots programs should produce future superstars in different sports. It is these homegrown talents that should be tapped to play and coach sports in this country. Why should we bring in “imports”, who deprive Filipinos of slots on team rosters and opportunities at further success? The Filipino-first mentality shifted from commercial products to athletes. Leagues implemented a rule that only one (1) foreign player can be on the floor at a time (Remember the Lago brothers of DLSU in the UAAP, who were never on the floor together?). There were pros and cons, there were advocates and there were protesters. What really is the objective of these personalities? Is it noble? Is it self-serving? And how has it affected sports in our country? You be the judge.

Lately, the San Beda experiment of hulking, high-leaping foreign big men has resulted in great success. There are others that sought “foreign intervention” in the hopes of improving their teams (JRU in the NCAA, and most teams in the UAAP). Some have benefitted greatly, others, not much. Should there even be an issue of foreign students playing sports? What is the problem? Is there an undue advantage? How different is recruiting a foreign student to study at your school and to play varsity ball, from pirating the biggest, most-talented big man from the Visayas or Mindanao to play out his eligibility in Metro Manila (which every school does!)?

It is the opinion here that, rather than impose a total ban on foreign students playing in the NCAA, the league governing body should impose more stringent regulatory measures on these so-called “imports”. The scores of the foreign student in the school entrance exam should be readily and voluntarily submitted to the governing body, to prove the student indeed qualified to enroll. The student should maintain a certain grade point average, failing in which he will be ineligible to play (actually this should be for all students, but perhaps more so for foreign student-athletes). The bottom line is, if the student, whether a foreigner or a Filipino, legitimately passed the entrance exam, and is getting good grades, then he should be eligible to play. Reasonable regulations may, and perhaps should, be imposed (like the “one foreigner-at-a-time” rule above-stated, which is actually ridiculous in itself anyway), but a total ban is outrageous and ill-timed. Advocates say that the ban will lead to a “more level playing field”. The field may be more level, yes, but the level may be so low that Philippine sports as a whole will suffer.

Further, by advocating the total ban, are these advocates saying that just because a student-athlete is a foreigner, he is presumably, if not actually, better than Filipino student-athletes? We all know that is not the case. So many heralded foreign players have flopped in their NCAA or UAAP stints. There are so many questions to answer on the issue. Suspicion will abound should the governing body approve the total ban so hastily.

The shunning of foreign student-athletes is amusing, especially since, when a school wants to “improve its program”, it sends its teams abroad, to play against teams in the United States, Europe, Australia and other parts of Asia. Filipinos (except Ateneans) were thrilled that a US NCAA Division I university like Western Kentucky recruited Japeth Aguilar away from the UAAP. Lucky for Japeth the US NCAA has not banned foreign students from playing for member teams. The jury is still out on how much Japeth improved, but clearly, he was a stronger, more polished player when he returned. So many foreigners have made their mark on US NCAA Division I basketball (e.g., Australians Andrew Gaze for Seton Hall and Andrew Bogut of Utah, Lithuanian Linas Kleiza of Missouri, and then-Nigerian Hakeem Olajuwon of Houston). Schools abroad have recruited our golfers, tennis players and swimmers, and we gladly send them there. Why is there a double standard?

Tons of comments have been given on this matter, and many say that foreign players, if they are really any good, will only make the locals that much better. This should be the attitude adopted by the homegrown talents. A good local player should drool at the chance to face a heralded “import”, if only to show that he can compete with, if not outshine, the latter. Let the players showcase their talent on the court and may the best ones win, whether Filipino or foreign. Amen to that.



if that rule is implemented, i wonder how will they (other schools) be able to comply?

lekiboy
11-19-2010, 07:19 PM
Tayo pa ang SINUBUKAN? Tayo pa?

You want to see the real essence of BROTHERHOOD? You WANT TO SEE the BIGGEST FRATERNITY in the Philippines in action?

ANG BUMANGGA, GIBAAAAA!!!!

franz_inwurdz
11-19-2010, 07:37 PM
Ang nakakatawa dun ay focus na focus ang RED ARMY DITO. Wala kasing laro ang Red Lions eh. hahahaha. lalo tuloy madaling tutukan. hehehehe.

sk8frk
11-19-2010, 08:24 PM
Bat di kaya nila tutukan yun mga pekeng estyudante at yun mga me pekeng papeles? I'm sure mas marami silang ma ban dyan. Di ba gusto nilang linisin ang liga?

gelaibabydoll
11-19-2010, 08:29 PM
Bat di kaya nila tutukan yun mga pekeng estyudante at yun mga me pekeng papeles? I'm sure mas marami silang ma ban dyan. Di ba gusto nilang linisin ang liga?


eh, sila-sila din ang matatamaan nun eh ;D

sk8frk
11-19-2010, 10:16 PM
Bat di kaya nila tutukan yun mga pekeng estyudante at yun mga me pekeng papeles? I'm sure mas marami silang ma ban dyan. Di ba gusto nilang linisin ang liga?


eh, sila-sila din ang matatamaan nun eh ;D


Oo nga e. Itsura pa lang. Di naman sa nang huhusga ako pero anak ng tipaklong mga estyudante ba talaga mga yan? Mukhang mga tatay na. Tadtad pa ng tattoo. Parang matindi lang talaga ang pangangailangan kaya nag basketball. ;D

sitsirya
11-19-2010, 11:53 PM
Let me see if I might take a look at this from another angle:

As a private organization, how much leeway does the NCAA have in terms of making its own policies?

Based on one of the posts above, it seems the NCAA has procedural rules to follow when it comes to matters of policy, i.e. matters of policy (such as a proposed ban on foreign players) need to be done in a certain manner.

Let us say these procedures / rules were not followed, can such proposal still be taken up and decided upon by the NCAA? Or does this automatically render the same not valid?

Short of committing a crime it seems as a private organization the NCAA can very well do as it pleases in terms of its own rules and policies. But what are the other limits, if any?
If they've broken the law with this ban then by all means let us charge them properly.

However if they have not, looks like that's just the way the ball bounces...



Joe, with all due respect; this response from Fr. Rector Maranan
to the NCAA Policy Board may give you some insights regarding the issue.
"To quote:"

San Beda College
Office of the Rector-President

November 15, 2010

Rev. Fr. Anthony Morillo
NCAA Policy Board President

Dear Fr. Morillo:

This has reference to the motion to revise and/or amend existing policies of the NCAA Rules prohibiting the participation of foreign students to play in the basketball tournaments of the association.

The undersigned in behalf of San Beda College would like to manifest its strong and vigorous opposition to the motion proposed last November 12, 2010, considering that the process over which the motion was propounded and carried runs contrary to the NCAA Constitution and By-Laws, more particularly Section 7.1 which provides that any amendments to existing rules could only be done during the annual meeting and that the votes of 2/3 of all the members of the policy board is required in order to approve such revision and/or amendments.

For the record the proposition to prohibit foreign players was not specifically included in the agenda but was surreptitiously tackled as other matters. The members were not sufficiently informed ahead of the major revision as proposed hence could not effectively study the pros and cons of such.

In this regard, a meeting of the policy board is urgently requested to address this issue.

Thank you.

Sincerely yours,

Aloysius Ma. A,. Maranan, OSB

Cc: NCAA Policy Board Members

"unquote"

Regular Grey
11-20-2010, 08:47 AM
Tama ka Franz, dahil walang games, tutok ang red army dito. ;D. LANA TALAGA PAGASA

sk8frk
11-20-2010, 09:52 AM
If they really are serious in cleaning the league maybe they they should temporarily suspend the NCAA next season. Take the year off. Tingnan lahat ng players di lang yun mga foreigners.
Check and verify everyone's papers ie TOR, birth certificates, grades, school works etc. Pumapasok ba talaga mga iyan?
Tapos audit na rin yun mga assets ng players. Me mga pros na nagpapangap lang ng college students dyan.
Also yun mga known na gamblers at jueteng lords dapat di hinahayaang lumapit sa mga teams. Halata naman pinagkakwartahan lang sila e.
Then again why should they? Baka mabuking pa sila.

Schortsanitis
11-20-2010, 10:36 AM
If they really are serious in cleaning the league maybe they they should temporarily suspend the NCAA next season. Take the year off. Tingnan lahat ng players di lang yun mga foreigners.
Check and verify everyone's papers ie TOR, birth certificates, grades, school works etc. Pumapasok ba talaga mga iyan?
Tapos audit na rin yun mga assets ng players. Me mga pros na nagpapangap lang ng college students dyan.
Also yun mga known na gamblers at jueteng lords dapat di hinahayaang lumapit sa mga teams. Halata naman pinagkakwartahan lang sila e.
Then again why should they? Baka mabuking pa sila.


Ikaw naman. E kung ganun, di damay din sila. Kung titira yung pari tulad ni Tanga-Lana, yung mga tira lang na San Beda ang tatamaan. Di yung pati sila, damay.

"Mali" lang iyan, pag di sila damay. Pag damay na sila, di na mali yun. O, ayan, ha, galing sa pari iyan. LOL

Regular Grey
11-20-2010, 11:51 AM
Teka, nababasa ba ni father ang mga naka sulat dito?

reforms
11-20-2010, 12:10 PM
[quote=The_Big_Cat ]
Ban this!
by Charlie Cuna
inboundpass.com
Friday, 19 November 2010 Views / 1 Comment

It is the opinion here that, rather than impose a total ban on foreign students playing in the NCAA, the league governing body should impose more stringent regulatory measures on these so-called “imports”. The scores of the foreign student in the school entrance exam should be readily and voluntarily submitted to the governing body, to prove the student indeed qualified to enroll. The student should maintain a certain grade point average, failing in which he will be ineligible to play (actually this should be for all students, but perhaps more so for foreign student-athletes). The bottom line is, if the student, whether a foreigner or a Filipino, legitimately passed the entrance exam, and is getting good grades, then he should be eligible to play. Reasonable regulations may, and perhaps should, be imposed (like the “one foreigner-at-a-time” rule above-stated, which is actually ridiculous in itself anyway), but a total ban is outrageous and ill-timed. Advocates say that the ban will lead to a “more level playing field”. The field may be more level, yes, but the level may be so low that Philippine sports as a whole will suffer.[quote]


if that rule is implemented, i wonder how will they (other schools) be able to comply?


I'm afraid the hooligan schools will just tamper or create "documents" to show that their so called "student-athletes" are indeed studying and attending their classes.

Worse, they can just put "passed" or the required GPA to their class cards, so they can still continue to play, eventhough everybody knows for crying out loud that they don't attend a single freaking class. >:(

Spelling Bee na nga lang, o kaya Battle of the Brains. ;D

bhinov
11-20-2010, 05:57 PM
Saan kaya napulot ni Fr. Lana yung mga alegasyon nya...sa PEX???:)


;D ;D ;D

danny
11-20-2010, 05:59 PM
Father Lana is courageous (foolish) enough to articulate what many feel.

He claims "corruption of the values upheld by the NCAA members as academic institutions.” "Fr. Lana said that there is a good reason to believe that these imports come here primarily “not to study but to play, and worse to play for pay.”

College hoops (UAAP/NCAA) is no longer an amateur league for students, it's gone pro.

Unfortunately, the good father confines his revelation only to "imports" and not to the system in general. Hence, it appears that he's singling out San Beda. But in fact, many teams in the NCAA and UAAP are affected because they have opted to go the professional route for all its players.

1. what are the rules for recruitment? If the school doesn't directly shell out the cash and make the promises/commitments, is it ok? Obviously, yes.

Spell out the rules so that the public may know ... but the officials prefer to keep it under the rug because infractions are the rule, not the exceptions.

2. are they really students? when do they find the time to study? is there a procedure for verifying if indeed, these players attend classes, comply with academic requirements, earn their diplomas ... if at all?

Chris Soller wrote a good article a few years back. He propounds that mo' money" has turned college hoops into a pro league, no longer a student league.

It would be great if San Beda can refute Father Lana's public accusations by showing to the public how Daniels was recruited sans infractions and how he's a bona fide student. Then San Beda can challenge the other schools to be just as transparent. That way, there will be a genuine feeling that sportsmanship at its best is being followed, not machinations.

Today, many are getting alienated with college hoops because the impression is that the athletes are not students, do not really represent the school. It has become "pera-pera." The affluent schools who not only have the money but are willing to bend the rules are of course favored over the less wealthy schools who cannot count on influential alumni.

What happens is pros fighting against students. Not a level playing field at all.





Here are your assumptions.

1. Sudan is a paid employee of San Beda and not a student.
2. Many are alienated because of these foreign paid employees.
3. Affluent schools with wealthy alumni can bend the rules.

Your whole thesis is based on these assumptions.

These assumptions are self serving. You created these assumptions to prove your thesis.

The problem here is simple. These assumptions cannot be used to prove your thesis at this point. Like your thesis, you have to prove them individually first to be acceptable. How do you prove them? Facts.

Kindly explain how you came about with these assumptions first. Goodluck.

Schortsanitis
11-20-2010, 09:12 PM
Di na kelangan ng "proof". Basta di namin kaya makipag kumpetensya sa San Beda (corrected ...) dahil dumadalang na ang nag e enroll sa amin, kaya kung ano-anong akusasyon na lang ang gagawin namin. LOL

danny
11-21-2010, 12:19 AM
Let's see the facts.


1. A motion was proposed to ban foreigners to play in the NCAA last November 12, 2010.
2. The NCAA has Constitution and By law which must be followed.
3.
..the proposition to prohibit foreign players was not specifically included in the agenda but was surreptitiously tackled as other matters.

If you are bright, you will understand the implications.They cannot even follow the rules in proposing amendments to the constitution and by-laws. Yet it is San Beda that is accused of bending the rules. How telling. :D





San Beda College
Office of the Rector-President

November 15, 2010

Rev. Fr. Anthony Morillo
NCAA Policy Board President

Dear Fr. Morillo:

This has reference to the motion to revise and/or amend existing policies of the NCAA Rules prohibiting the participation of foreign students to play in the basketball tournaments of the association.

The undersigned in behalf of San Beda College would like to manifest its strong and vigorous opposition to the motion proposed last November 12, 2010, considering that the process over which the motion was propounded and carried runs contrary to the NCAA Constitution and By-Laws, more particularly Section 7.1 which provides that any amendments to existing rules could only be done during the annual meeting and that the votes of 2/3 of all the members of the policy board is required in order to approve such revision and/or amendments.

For the record the proposition to prohibit foreign players was not specifically included in the agenda but was surreptitiously tackled as other matters. The members were not sufficiently informed ahead of the major revision as proposed hence could not effectively study the pros and cons of such.

In this regard, a meeting of the policy board is urgently requested to address this issue.

Thank you.

Sincerely yours,

Aloysius Ma. A,. Maranan, OSB

Cc: NCAA Policy Board Members

mighty_lion
11-21-2010, 10:10 AM
Chris Soller wrote a good article a few years back. He propounds that mo' money" has turned college hoops into a pro league, no longer a student league.


I recall that article and it has something to do with those in the Smart Gilas pool who are still in school. These players have contracts with Gilas and are paid even if they are still in school. Not at all related to foreigners playing in the varsity team.

toti_mendiola
11-21-2010, 12:08 PM
Teka, nababasa ba ni father ang mga naka sulat dito?

Pare malamang hindi. at busy siya maghanap ng enrollees.

aldogs
11-21-2010, 04:28 PM
in "student athlete", student comes first. these imports are allergic to books

sk8frk
11-21-2010, 06:00 PM
in "student athlete", student comes first. these imports are allergic to books


Proof sir?

lekiboy
11-21-2010, 09:05 PM
in "student athlete", student comes first. these imports are allergic to books


you may want to back up your statements...

danny
11-22-2010, 04:22 AM
Let's see the facts.


1. A motion was proposed to ban foreigners to play in the NCAA last November 12, 2010.
2. The NCAA has Constitution and By law which must be followed.
3.
..the proposition to prohibit foreign players was not specifically included in the agenda but was surreptitiously tackled as other matters.

If you are bright, you will understand the implications.They cannot even follow the rules in proposing amendments to the constitution and by-laws. Yet it is San Beda that is accused of bending the rules. How telling. :D





San Beda College
Office of the Rector-President

November 15, 2010

Rev. Fr. Anthony Morillo
NCAA Policy Board President

Dear Fr. Morillo:

This has reference to the motion to revise and/or amend existing policies of the NCAA Rules prohibiting the participation of foreign students to play in the basketball tournaments of the association.

The undersigned in behalf of San Beda College would like to manifest its strong and vigorous opposition to the motion proposed last November 12, 2010, considering that the process over which the motion was propounded and carried runs contrary to the NCAA Constitution and By-Laws, more particularly Section 7.1 which provides that any amendments to existing rules could only be done during the annual meeting and that the votes of 2/3 of all the members of the policy board is required in order to approve such revision and/or amendments.

For the record the proposition to prohibit foreign players was not specifically included in the agenda but was surreptitiously tackled as other matters. The members were not sufficiently informed ahead of the major revision as proposed hence could not effectively study the pros and cons of such.

In this regard, a meeting of the policy board is urgently requested to address this issue.

Thank you.

Sincerely yours,

Aloysius Ma. A,. Maranan, OSB

Cc: NCAA Policy Board Members



Fr. Lana, prove your accusations please.

And please I do not accept your position that we Pinoys are genetically inferior. You are xenophobic and anti-Filipino all at the same time.

danny
11-22-2010, 04:56 AM
in "student athlete", student comes first. these imports are allergic to books


Fr. Lana is that you?

The_Big_Cat
11-22-2010, 07:25 AM
in "student athlete", student comes first. these imports are allergic to books


Fr. Lana is that you?


waLANA talaga, may SAYAD na.

mighty_lion
11-22-2010, 09:11 AM
Foreigner = allergic to books
Local = legitimate student.

epic fail.

red18
11-22-2010, 09:40 AM
Lana kasi maisip si lana kaya mud slinging na lang.

admiral thrawn
11-22-2010, 09:42 AM
walang kinikilalang citizenship and katamaran sa pag-aaral...kung talagang tamad ang isang tao..tamad talaga sya..
if they want to remedy this why not just impose a GPA requirement as part of the eligibility rule for the NCAA.di naman kinakailang 1.00 ang grade maski 2.5 ok na!

cool
11-22-2010, 12:55 PM
Quote from: danny on nov 20, 2010:

Here are your assumptions.

1. Sudan is a paid employee of San Beda and not a student.
2. Many are alienated because of these foreign paid employees.
3. Affluent schools with wealthy alumni can bend the rules.

Your whole thesis is based on these assumptions.

These assumptions are self serving. You created these assumptions to prove your thesis.

The problem here is simple. These assumptions cannot be used to prove your thesis at this point. Like your thesis, you have to prove them individually first to be acceptable. How do you prove them? Facts.

Kindly explain how you came about with these assumptions first. Goodluck.

***************

With all due respect, your assumptions of my assumptions are wrong and your expectation for me to present proofs is inutile.

In these and other fora, all of us use alternicks. One does not know if the writer is a CEO or a bored drop-out. Any "proof" is not credible without any accompanying attribution. The posts and opinions stand by their own merit because the alternick is not bound in any way.

What I had originally written is based on a published quote by the Letran Rector who is known to us and who has a position of responsibility. I paraphrase “they come here only to play … and to play for pay.” His insight certainly carries more weight than any of ours here.

While I do not agree with his singling out imports, I do agree that players based on today's realities of "mo money" are recruited heavily and are expected to produce trophies. No longer being a student myself, I cannot see how a current student made to practice morning, noon and night (refer to Henson's description of how Van Opstal is preparing himself for the UAAP) can comply with academics. A Chris Tiu may make it but he is the exception rather than the rule.

That’s why I say the reporters and journalists have the job of ferreting out the ins-and-outs of recruitment and athlete-students. Thus far, they have been quite cowed by the system and afraid to agitate the hornet’s nest. PCIJ did a great article many years back on the topic but failed to follow-up; the Inquirer published a three-part series on gambling in college hoops but after that, resignation and silence on the part of the basketball leaders.

There was a brilliant suggestion in one of the posts here - that an independent body be tasked with ascertaining (1) recruitment rules and (2) academic rules. The UAAP/NCAA leaders cannot be trusted (and they have failed) because of conflict of interest and the usual politics.

I will close with an assumption. My assumption here is us -college hoop fans - of our alma mater follow the NCAA/UAAP because of love and identification of our school. If we wanted to watch top-notch basketball, the NBA is now shown daily on TV (and in the internet.) But we follow the student leagues because those playing are supposed to be representing the school, us, and are therefore supposed to be students, not professionals. Is that a correct assumption?

I hope that this Father Lana episode will open many eyes to the ills pervasive in the situation (not singling out San Beda but college hoops in general where youths are being enticed to participate in a charade; afterwards, the school keeps the trophy and the youth ends up with a worthless, diploma, if at all.)

There is something wrong with recruitment, there is something wrong with athlete-students, (not student-athletes.)

oca
11-22-2010, 02:02 PM
Quote from: danny on nov 20, 2010:

Here are your assumptions.

1. Sudan is a paid employee of San Beda and not a student.
2. Many are alienated because of these foreign paid employees.
3. Affluent schools with wealthy alumni can bend the rules.

Your whole thesis is based on these assumptions.

These assumptions are self serving. You created these assumptions to prove your thesis.

The problem here is simple. These assumptions cannot be used to prove your thesis at this point. Like your thesis, you have to prove them individually first to be acceptable. How do you prove them? Facts.

Kindly explain how you came about with these assumptions first. Goodluck.

***************

With all due respect, your assumptions of my assumptions are wrong and your expectation for me to present proofs is inutile.

In these and other fora, all of us use alternicks. One does not know if the writer is a CEO or a bored drop-out. Any "proof" is not credible without any accompanying attribution. The posts and opinions stand by their own merit because the alternick is not bound in any way.

What I had originally written is based on a published quote by the Letran Rector who is known to us and who has a position of responsibility. I paraphrase “they come here only to play … and to play for pay.” His insight certainly carries more weight than any of ours here.

While I do not agree with his singling out imports, I do agree that players based on today's realities of "mo money" are recruited heavily and are expected to produce trophies. No longer being a student myself, I cannot see how a current student made to practice morning, noon and night (refer to Henson's description of how Van Opstal is preparing himself for the UAAP) can comply with academics. A Chris Tiu may make it but he is the exception rather than the rule.

That’s why I say the reporters and journalists have the job of ferreting out the ins-and-outs of recruitment and athlete-students. Thus far, they have been quite cowed by the system and afraid to agitate the hornet’s nest. PCIJ did a great article many years back on the topic but failed to follow-up; the Inquirer published a three-part series on gambling in college hoops but after that, resignation and silence on the part of the basketball leaders.

There was a brilliant suggestion in one of the posts here - that an independent body be tasked with ascertaining (1) recruitment rules and (2) academic rules. The UAAP/NCAA leaders cannot be trusted (and they have failed) because of conflict of interest and the usual politics.

I will close with an assumption. My assumption here is us -college hoop fans - of our alma mater follow the NCAA/UAAP because of love and identification of our school. If we wanted to watch top-notch basketball, the NBA is now shown daily on TV (and in the internet.) But we follow the student leagues because those playing are supposed to be representing the school, us, and are therefore supposed to be students, not professionals. Is that a correct assumption?

I hope that this Father Lana episode will open many eyes to the ills pervasive in the situation (not singling out San Beda but college hoops in general where youths are being enticed to participate in a charade; afterwards, the school keeps the trophy and the youth ends up with a worthless, diploma, if at all.)

There is something wrong with recruitment, there is something wrong with athlete-students, (not student-athletes.)




So as you may know the credibility of those who write profoundly on this issue, those on the other side of the fence among the Bedan community, they are not just an alternick.

These guys do meet and know each other. Not only among themselves as Bedans, but even to those from other schools who have sub-foras here at gameface.

They are not faceless individuals.

I bet, mamaya, yayayain ka na nyan mag beer para sa mas maganda usapan. There, you will find out the credibility of these individuals. Same will apply for issues that affects people at Ateneo or UST. Yung mga usaping mainit, sasabayan din nila ng beer... sagot din nila pulutan.

Joescoundrel
11-22-2010, 02:51 PM
One thing that bothers me is the timing of all this, i.e. why did the Man Comm take up this matter when Paul Supan and Mari Lacson were not around? I'm not sure if Mari is still in the US. My last source said the NCAA will impose the ban starting in the 2012 - 2013 season. It is bare-faced treachery to be taking this up at a time when the representatives of the two schools who would be most adversely affected by such a ban were absent. I also fully agree with Fr Maranan's position that such an important policy proposal should have been specified as a distinct item in the agenda. I am certain Mari and maybe even Mr Supan would have most certainly made it a point to be at that meeting had the foreigner ban been specified as an item in this agenda.

We don't mind Jennifer Rosales being offered a US NCAA golf scholarship by Stanford (?) and yet here we are about to ban people from playing ball just because they are of foreign citizenship. If indeed San Beda and JRU or any other school has been committing illegal acts in the recruitment of foreign athletes to play on their varsity squads, then let's prove THAT first and bring them to justice. Because right now this smacks of out and out rascism - these people are bring descriminated against simply because they are foreigners. If laws were or are bring broken then let's bring the law-breakers to justice. If not, then this ban itself might constitute a crime, in which case let's bring the ones who bring it about to justice as well.

danny
11-22-2010, 06:01 PM
Quote from: danny on nov 20, 2010:

Here are your assumptions.

1. Sudan is a paid employee of San Beda and not a student.
2. Many are alienated because of these foreign paid employees.
3. Affluent schools with wealthy alumni can bend the rules.

Your whole thesis is based on these assumptions.

These assumptions are self serving. You created these assumptions to prove your thesis.

The problem here is simple. These assumptions cannot be used to prove your thesis at this point. Like your thesis, you have to prove them individually first to be acceptable. How do you prove them? Facts.

Kindly explain how you came about with these assumptions first. Goodluck.

***************

With all due respect, your assumptions of my assumptions are wrong and your expectation for me to present proofs is inutile.

In these and other fora, all of us use alternicks. One does not know if the writer is a CEO or a bored drop-out. Any "proof" is not credible without any accompanying attribution. The posts and opinions stand by their own merit because the alternick is not bound in any way.

What I had originally written is based on a published quote by the Letran Rector who is known to us and who has a position of responsibility. I paraphrase “they come here only to play … and to play for pay.” His insight certainly carries more weight than any of ours here.

While I do not agree with his singling out imports, I do agree that players based on today's realities of "mo money" are recruited heavily and are expected to produce trophies. No longer being a student myself, I cannot see how a current student made to practice morning, noon and night (refer to Henson's description of how Van Opstal is preparing himself for the UAAP) can comply with academics. A Chris Tiu may make it but he is the exception rather than the rule.

That’s why I say the reporters and journalists have the job of ferreting out the ins-and-outs of recruitment and athlete-students. Thus far, they have been quite cowed by the system and afraid to agitate the hornet’s nest. PCIJ did a great article many years back on the topic but failed to follow-up; the Inquirer published a three-part series on gambling in college hoops but after that, resignation and silence on the part of the basketball leaders.

There was a brilliant suggestion in one of the posts here - that an independent body be tasked with ascertaining (1) recruitment rules and (2) academic rules. The UAAP/NCAA leaders cannot be trusted (and they have failed) because of conflict of interest and the usual politics.

I will close with an assumption. My assumption here is us -college hoop fans - of our alma mater follow the NCAA/UAAP because of love and identification of our school. If we wanted to watch top-notch basketball, the NBA is now shown daily on TV (and in the internet.) But we follow the student leagues because those playing are supposed to be representing the school, us, and are therefore supposed to be students, not professionals. Is that a correct assumption?

I hope that this Father Lana episode will open many eyes to the ills pervasive in the situation (not singling out San Beda but college hoops in general where youths are being enticed to participate in a charade; afterwards, the school keeps the trophy and the youth ends up with a worthless, diploma, if at all.)

There is something wrong with recruitment, there is something wrong with athlete-students, (not student-athletes.)





Too long.

You believe too much in the accusation of a priest who himself did not follow the simple rule in proposing the amendment of the rules. That is how these people are corrupting the process.

This in itself exposes your position. Fr. Lana's accusation is based on thin ice. And you fell for it.

nnahoj
11-22-2010, 08:24 PM
Quote from: danny on nov 20, 2010:



What I had originally written is based on a published quote by the Letran Rector who is known to us and who has a position of responsibility. I paraphrase “they come here only to play … and to play for pay.” His insight certainly carries more weight than any of ours here.

While I do not agree with his singling out imports, I do agree that players based on today's realities of "mo money" are recruited heavily and are expected to produce trophies. No longer being a student myself, I cannot see how a current student made to practice morning, noon and night (refer to Henson's description of how Van Opstal is preparing himself for the UAAP) can comply with academics. A Chris Tiu may make it but he is the exception rather than the rule.




Lana's "insight" has no basis. Saying that foreigners come here only to play and to play for pay should be backed up by sufficient proofs, anything less than that should be regarded as hearsay, even if the person saying that is a man of the cloth. Infallibility is limited to the Pope, and even that is debatable.

It's not impossible for an athlete to find time in their studies and practices; I was not an athlete but being a working student before, I had to work in the mornings, attend classes and study in the evening, I guess this is also the routine for the student-athletes today. Hard yes, impossible no.

Sir Leon
11-22-2010, 08:52 PM
The good father should also take responsibility on his actions if those accusations cannot be substantiated.

Schortsanitis
11-23-2010, 10:33 PM
Kung kukute ni Lana ... Parang naamoy, na kung tuloy pa rin ang paghahari ng SBC sa NCAA ... Malamang susunod na titirahin niyan, e, "Fil-Foreigner".

LOL

Yung mga tipong gagamitin na naman ang mga katagang "mersenaryo" at "student athlete". Bigyan na lang kaya natin yan ng mga estudyante yang si Lana ng matahimik.

LOL

animo
11-29-2010, 03:30 PM
Why ban foreign student-athletes?
THE GAME OF MY LIFE By Bill Velasco (The Philippine Star) Updated November 29, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (0) View comments

Hackles were raised again by the alleged attempt to pass a new rule in the NCAA banning foreign players recently. The league’s Policy Board and Management Committee have supposedly begun studying such a proposal. Obviously, the goal would be to supposedly even the playing field after teams like San Beda College and Jose Rizal University have had success with foreign reinforcements.

Let’s look at the facts. San Beda won three consecutive titles starting 2006 with Sam Ekwe, who has since gone on to play in Europe.

JRU has been in the Final Four with John Njei and a healthy Joe Etame. But there were a grand total of four – yes, just four – foreign players in the NCAA seniors basketball season 86 tournament, including this year’s Most Valuable Player, Sudan Daniel. They are not a threat to the security of Filipino players. And besides, San Sebastian College, which won the 2009 title and made it to the Finals again this year, does not have any foreign players.

In effect, for the NCAA, it’s like having a class suit against anyone who is born a foreigner and studying in the Philippines. And the manner in which the supposedly plan was being pushed in a meeting without a quorum to vote on it looks suspicious. Why create a new rule against four people? The NCAA only allows a maximum of two foreign-born players per team, and only one is allowed on the court at any given time. This is messing up the player rotation of the Heavy Bombers, since the more experienced Njei is a guard, while the taller Etame is a center. So no straight-up substitution is possible.

Even if they were recruited expressly for winning sports titles, you’d be treading into the murky waters of guessing someone’s motivation to begin with. Besides, it is an internationally accepted practice to recruit for sports programs that bring in alumni support, rally the school, and boost awareness and enrollment. Besides, it smacks of sour graping, not to mention racism. If varsity basketball were a regulated profession, it might be understandable. But the rules in the PBA, for example, are entirely internal because the league is a private entity.

Student-athletes are amateurs. Banning a student from playing merely based on citizenship is bigotry. How would you feel if you paid your child’s tuition (either outright or through your child’s service to the school) and are denied the rights that any other student is given?

Your child, who is a student of that school, is treated differently from other students who also matriculate there. That isn’t fair at all.

What if other countries whose head coaches have been or are Filipino - Vietnam, Indonesia, Qatar and others - decide to throw them out? What if the Indonesian Basketball League, which has had Filipino imports for each of its teams, decides against having foreigners? Even closer to home, what if the other members of the ASEAN Basketball League (ABL) issue a blanket order banning Filipino players? We would raise a howl of unfair labor practices. And to think that college players aren’t even paid salaries.

The players already get the short end of the stick when they don’t perform well. They are vilified in chatrooms and community billboards, and occasionally in the mainstream media. The public knows a lemon when it sees one, and they give them hell.

When the Metropolitan Basketball Association was launched in 1998, it had a rule: anyone born in the Philippines, regardless of citizenship, could play. The following year, with the threat of foreign ringers faking Filipino birth certificates, the MBA rescinded the rule. The only one who qualified that first year was Alex Compton, who has been an upstanding citizen and commercial endorser who has made the Philippines his home, learned the language, and even married a Filipina. Compton was born in the Philippines, though he retained his parents’ US citizenship.

This is simply another instance of punishing success. There have been many foreign players in collegiate basketball in the past. Why only push this rule now? If their success were in a less popular sport, like Koreans wearing their school colors in taekwondo competitions, would we even bother? I don’t think so.

And speaking of the MBA, the league allowed each team to have a maximum of two Filipino-American players per team, with the goal of phasing them out after five years, when they had transferred their knowledge to local-born players. Sadly, it never lived to see that day.

I am a patriot, but I also spoke out against the move to keep coaches like Ron Jacobs and Tim Cone out of the PBA. I believe so much in Filipino talent that I know they can overcome any obstacle in front of them. Look at the rich history of the NCAA itself, how many outstanding little men has it produced, no matter the size and nationality of whoever has played there. A rule against a mere two percent of the population is discriminatory. There are already rules in place limiting their participation, why pile on more?

danny
11-30-2010, 12:40 AM
The anti-Mancom, anti-Lana, sentiments just keep on coming. ;)

Stardust
11-30-2010, 01:35 PM
With SBC's lost yesterday, I feel this move to ban foreigners from playing in the NCAA will wane, and eventually will be forgotten.

Recall that prior to the start of the 2008 NCAA Season, a member school, proposed that no TRO should be sought amongst them. And this proposal came to be in a "gentleman agreement" reached among its BoD reps.

danny
12-01-2010, 04:50 AM
With SBC's lost yesterday, I feel this move to ban foreigners from playing in the NCAA will wane, and eventually will be forgotten.

Recall that prior to the start of the 2008 NCAA Season, a member school, proposed that no TRO should be sought amongst them. And this proposal came to be in a "gentleman agreement" reached among its BoD reps.




I do remember this "gentlemen's agreement" vividly.

Indeed, with our loss and the opinions of the media personalities against such proposal, this absurd idea will be shelved.

However, we must always be on guard.

lekiboy
12-01-2010, 10:36 AM
magpatalo pa tayo ulit? :)

bchoter
12-01-2010, 01:24 PM
Kung sakaling ma approve, in effect na ba ito agad sa upcoming season? Malabo naman ata ito. Vested interest lang kung ganon at hindi para sa improvement ng league. Sana give it, at the very least, 2 years before the rule is applied kasi may immediate impact na. Or excempt the players already playing as well as those who have started earning their residency.

nnahoj
12-01-2010, 11:16 PM
magpatalo pa tayo ulit? :)


sacrifice for the greater good?

baka game-fixing naman ang banat satin niyan ;D

Sam Miguel
12-02-2010, 09:25 AM
Kung sakaling ma approve, in effect na ba ito agad sa upcoming season? Malabo naman ata ito. Vested interest lang kung ganon at hindi para sa improvement ng league. Sana give it, at the very least, 2 years before the rule is applied kasi may immediate impact na. Or excempt the players already playing as well as those who have started earning their residency.


Our last tip was that this would take effect in the 2012-13 season, which effectively means incoming Arellano and Perpetual imports will be strictly one-done players.

After the whole Gomez and Nuilan brouhaha, I wonder why Perpetual Help is just letting the NCAA treat them like the floating lumps in one's toilet bowl. SInce Perpetual is already a university maybe they should move to the UAAP.

bchoter
12-02-2010, 10:20 AM
^ That's a huge huge blow to the basketball program of both schools. There is too much one-upmanship in the NC board nowadays you would mistake them for a UAAP board. UAAP die-hards in PEX should chalk this one up as another gaya gaya from the NC :D.

animo
12-02-2010, 10:23 AM
Kung sakaling ma approve, in effect na ba ito agad sa upcoming season? Malabo naman ata ito. Vested interest lang kung ganon at hindi para sa improvement ng league. Sana give it, at the very least, 2 years before the rule is applied kasi may immediate impact na. Or excempt the players already playing as well as those who have started earning their residency.


Our last tip was that this would take effect in the 2012-13 season, which effectively means incoming Arellano and Perpetual imports will be strictly one-done players.

After the whole Gomez and Nuilan brouhaha, I wonder why Perpetual Help is just letting the NCAA treat them like the floating lumps in one's toilet bowl. SInce Perpetual is already a university maybe they should move to the UAAP.


approve na ba? i thought mancom was tasked to study the proposal of cry baby lana?

red18
12-03-2010, 01:25 PM
the NCAA is a sick league. backwards and it's being over run by baboons(MANCOM). pinoy na pinoy ang dating. crab mentality at it's finest. no wonder walang asenso itong liga natin. kaya tayo napag iwanan na ng kabila. everytime na the MANCOM members were being focused on camera. para silang mga dakilang mga lasengo sa kanto. sorry to say. not dignified looking. 1 or 2 schools lang ang matino.

Regular Grey
12-03-2010, 07:02 PM
Red ang baba naman n tingin mo sa ating mga Pinoy. Maliit lang ang porsiyento ng mga pinoy na LANA pagasa.

danny
12-05-2010, 03:44 AM
Red ang baba naman n tingin mo sa ating mga Pinoy. Maliit lang ang porsiyento ng mga pinoy na LANA pagasa.


True.

I would not generalize the Pinoy position as such. We should be more precise rather than carpet bomb the perceived opposition.

It has to be noted that Fr. Lana and his like minded Pinoys are tho ones who think that we are genetically inferior yet at the same time will proclaim our Pinoy superiority whenever there is a chance.

Ano nga tawag sa ganyang tao?

red18
12-05-2010, 06:52 AM
my apologies

datu_pula
12-11-2010, 09:33 AM
It would be great if San Beda can refute Father Lana's public accusations by showing to the public how Daniels was recruited sans infractions and how he's a bona fide student. Then San Beda can challenge the other schools to be just as transparent. That way, there will be a genuine feeling that sportsmanship at its best is being followed, not machinations.



So San Beda now has the burden of proving that it is guiltless or innocent of the unfounded and malicious allegations of the Very Reverend Father Lana? That's something new.

In any case, Bedans are prepared to discuss this issue as we are supremely confident that Sam Ekwe and Sudan Daniel are legitimate student-athletes. They don't receive any benefits not available to other Red Lions as insinuated by Lana in the media. Sam spent four years in San Beda and graduated in 2009. Su is expected to follow suit and will earn his degree in due time. Heck, Kelvin Emeka even made it to the Dean's List right before he went AWOL in the US.

Don't you think Sam looks swell in his Red Toga?

http://michecesa.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dsc_0001.jpg?w=199&h=300

;)



From Sam Ekwe 9 December 2010: I am here far west, and my heart is there far east, yes cuz as it is said, Samuel is a Pinoy by heart, Philippines will always be my second home, whenever am completely free, i would wan come to see the Red and white crown

zoom2k7
12-15-2010, 03:34 AM
kung totoo man to ang corny naman!wala ng pinag iba ang NCAA sa mga barangay leagues na kung saan pinroprotesta ng ibang team ang pinaka magaling na player sa opposing team!tsk......baba ang level ng competition nito

animo
12-15-2010, 10:35 AM
NCAA puts Fil-foreigners under scrutiny
By Joey Villar (The Philippine Star) Updated December 15, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (0) View comments
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=639385&publicationSubCategoryId=69

MANILA, Philippines - The NCAA policy board told the management committee to further study the issue regarding foreign players playing in the 86-year-old league before it could render a final decision.

“At a special meeting of the NCAA policy board held last Dec. 3 at the ELJ Towers in Quezon City, the policy board reiterated its previous decision to thoroughly study the issue regarding foreign players before a final decision is made,” said the league board, chaired by Fr. Anthony Morillo, OAR, of host San Sebastian, in a statement.

“Accordingly, the policy board instructed the NCAA management committee to submit its views at its next meeting,” it added.

The discussion came on the issue on foreign players currently suiting up for several cage teams in the NCAA, including reigning champion San Beda’s 6-7 American behemoth and MVP Sudan Daniel.

danny
12-16-2010, 04:31 PM
Merry Christmas, Mancom!

By the way, Christmas is a foreign concept. Basketball is a foreign sport. Yes? ;)

Let's see your next move...

animo
12-16-2010, 06:17 PM
Merry Christmas, Mancom!

By the way, Christmas is a foreign concept. Basketball is a foreign sport. Yes? ;)

Let's see your next move...





and the school they are representing are founded by foreigners ;D

6thmaninred
12-28-2010, 02:07 AM
not sure if this is off-topic or somehow related:

Import-flavored tournament seen in V-League Season 8
By FRANCIS SANTIAGO
December 26, 2010, 4:58pm
To spice up the Shakey’s V-League Season 8 this summer, organizers are looking at the possibility of having all participating teams reinforced by a foreign player.

If the plan pushes through, it will mark for the first time since the league was established in 2004 that each team will have an import.

Ricky Palou, the tournament director, said 10 schools will comprise the season-opening conference, and so far only three teams have imports: Ateneo, San Sebastian College and Lyceum.

The three teams are the same schools among the field of eight that have Thai players as import.

But having a Thai import is not a guarantee to win the title as proven by Adamson University, which ruled the last conference by beating the Excelroof-backed San Sebastian College.

paolo
01-04-2011, 10:51 AM
NCAA puts Fil-foreigners under scrutiny
By Joey Villar (The Philippine Star) Updated December 15, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (0) View comments
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=639385&publicationSubCategoryId=69

MANILA, Philippines - The NCAA policy board told the management committee to further study the issue regarding foreign players playing in the 86-year-old league before it could render a final decision.

“At a special meeting of the NCAA policy board held last Dec. 3 at the ELJ Towers in Quezon City, the policy board reiterated its previous decision to thoroughly study the issue regarding foreign players before a final decision is made,” said the league board, chaired by Fr. Anthony Morillo, OAR, of host San Sebastian, in a statement.

“Accordingly, the policy board instructed the NCAA management committee to submit its views at its next meeting,” it added.

The discussion came on the issue on foreign players currently suiting up for several cage teams in the NCAA, including reigning champion San Beda’s 6-7 American behemoth and MVP Sudan Daniel.
??? i am really at a loss at this directive of the NCAA MANCOM! Is it the fault of any school if the foreign student that enrolls in their college or university turns out to be a good one? I think the primary concern of the foreign student is having a good education when he enrollsl in a certain school. Upgrade the education standards so that the school will attract more enrollments from foreign students. Banning them from playing is absurd!

Joescoundrel
02-01-2011, 11:11 AM
Our last word was that MANCOM discussion on this issue have been shelved and it seems not to resurface anytime soon, thank God.

LION
02-07-2011, 10:29 AM
Maybe Fr. Tamerlane Lana and the NCAA Mancom were already advised about PD 966 which declares all forms of racial discrimination to be criminal offenses and providing penalties therefor.

Under said law, all organizations and all propaganda activities which promote and incite racial discrimination are declared illegal and prohibited.

Violations of said law (Tamerlane Lana and the Mancom members should take note), shall be punished with imprisonment of not less than 10 days nor more than 6 months if the offender is guilty of the dissemination and advocacy of policies based on superiority or hatred, incitement to racial discrimination, etc.

Violators will also be imprisoned for a period of not less than 1 month nor more than 1 year, if the offender is guilty of inciting to acts of violence against any race. I recall Tamerlane Lana issuing statements that tend to incite/justify players to hurt foreign players.

PD 966 is an old law, having been issued on July 20, 1976, but I believe it is in full force and effect.

Even if Fr. Lana's proposal is shelved for now, anyone can still file a criminal complaint against him under the said law. All those in the NCAA Policy Board who approved Lana's proposal in a meeting surreptitiously convened by them, should also be made to explain why they should not be criminally charged for violation of PD 966.

admiral thrawn
02-07-2011, 10:56 AM
Grabe ang bangis naman ng LION..ehehehe

lekiboy
02-07-2011, 10:59 AM
Even if Fr. Lana's proposal is shelved for now, anyone can still file a criminal complaint against him under the said law. All those in the NCAA Policy Board who approved Lana's proposal in a meeting surreptitiously convened by them, should also be made to explain why they should not be criminally charged for violation of PD 966.




mmmm- sino kaya ang magfile nito? ;D

animo
02-07-2011, 08:33 PM
Even if Fr. Lana's proposal is shelved for now, anyone can still file a criminal complaint against him under the said law. All those in the NCAA Policy Board who approved Lana's proposal in a meeting surreptitiously convened by them, should also be made to explain why they should not be criminally charged for violation of PD 966.




mmmm- sino kaya ang magfile nito? ;D


they say that sometimes ... the best defense is offense. if only we have all the evidence, the resources etc... might as well file the case so to keep them busy... very busy ;D

sbc_rules2
06-11-2011, 04:32 PM
On 27 June, the NCAA Policy Board is set to meet. Rumors are circulating that this issue will surface once more. There are only 3 schools without foreign players - Baste, Letran and Mapua; anyone can raise the issue again.

SBC is ready with its position, which goes this way:


In the NCAA Constitution and By-Laws (updated and revised by the Management Committee and approved and ratified by the Policy Board in 2009), there is no mention of foreign athletes as being absolutely prohibited from playing in the league.

[Note that by 2009, Sam Ekwe would have played in 3 seasons and Sudan Daniel, perhaps in 1 season (since there is no reference to what month this was approved in 2009). It would appear that at that time all schools had accepted that foreign players meeting the eligibility rules can play in the NCAA.]

Article 6 on Tournament, Section 6.4, Rules on the Eligibility of Athletes, has 26 subsections but there is no specific reference at all to foreign athletes.

San Beda will maintain that the proposed banning of foreign athletes is a constitutional issue. It further maintains that this is different from setting limitations on how a team can field a foreign player in the course of a game and that this is mere regulation, not an absolute prohibition.

Therefore for the proposed banning of foreign players, which is a constitutional issue, any constitutional amendment or revision will be covered by Article 7 on Amendments:

Section 7.1 The Constitution and By-Laws of the NCAA may be amended ONLY at the annual meeting by a two-thirds (2/3) majority vote of the members of the NCAA Policy Board.

Section 7.2 The CONSTITUTIONAL RULES ON TOURNAMENT ELIGIBILITY of the athletes may be amended in a meeting outside the NCAA Annual Meeting with the consent of all members of the NCAA Policy Board.


In retrospect, it was in the November 12, 2010 regular meeting when the members present without the representatives of San Beda College and Jose Rizal University allegedly placed in the agenda item on Other Matters the motion to ban foreigners from playing in NCAA basketball tournaments starting in 2011. The motion was introduced and seconded. There were no discussions and no objections. Then the motion was passed on to the MANCOM to flesh out the details.

Our Rector-President understandably sent a strong letter of protest and vigorous opposition to said motion.

The issue being constitutional, it should have been tackled during the Annual Meeting in March Moreover the NCAA Constitution and By-Laws Operational Policies and Procedures mandate the use of the Robert’s Rules of Parliamentary Procedures and it invariably requires that for any motion to be passed and approved, it must be put to a vote. There was no vote in the November 12, 2010 meeting.

Furthermore under Section 7.2, it could be taken up outside of the annual meeting but a unanimous vote is required for it to be approved. It is obvious that San Beda will not vote for this motion.

I heard that San Beda may present the above line of argument if the issue comes up again.

The issue still lurks probably because of the stellar play of Olaide Adeogun in the ongoing Fil-Oil tournament (another 5 years of a dominant foreign STUDENT-athlete in San Beda beginning in Season 88?).

Again, prepare for [an impending] battle, Red Army. This issue may pop out from nowhere.

Joescoundrel
06-14-2011, 09:54 AM
^ I thought Etame and Njei are no longer with JRU? So does that mean JRU no longer has foreign players as well or does JRU have a new foreign player?

sbc_rules2
06-14-2011, 08:42 PM
^ I thought Etame and Njei are no longer with JRU? So does that mean JRU no longer has foreign players as well or does JRU have a new foreign player?


My error. JRU has presently no foreign players. I also remain to be corrected with the plans/status of the other schools with regard to having foreign student-athletes. These decisions may be made after the ban issue would have been [finally] resolved.

Joescoundrel
06-15-2011, 07:03 AM
Season 87 host school Perpetual Help has a strong African import named Adefemi Babayeme (hope I got that right), looks like a legit 6'6" and strongly built, better built than Emmanuel Mbe of NU, so they should do everything they can to make sure no such ban on imports happens.

danny
12-04-2011, 02:35 AM
The racist NCAA will eventually suffer the consequences of its actions. Racism has no room in sports.

danny
02-10-2012, 04:40 AM
Ola was the recipient of RACIAL SLURS. Now Mancom want's him banned for several games. Why? Was it because he was the object of RACIAL SLURS?

In the Philippines, we protect the RACISTS and punish the recipients of RACIAL SLURS.

Way to go RACIST NCAA!

:D :D :D :D

danny
02-11-2012, 04:45 AM
The NCAA is probably the most vocal racist organization in the Philippines. I will not be surprised if it eventually becomes the front organization of all racist Filipinos.

...then the racism will escalate into violence which will be blamed by the racist to non-Pinoys. Ooooppsssss... They actually did via racist WILLIAM ESPOSO. Remember how he defended the violent Pinoy basket-buko-thugs inside the court?

:D

danny
02-23-2012, 03:56 AM
For being subjected to RACIAL SLURS, OLA will be punished.

How retarded can you get, RACIST NCAA?

danny
02-23-2012, 03:28 PM
RACIST PIGS. YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS.

danny
03-06-2012, 10:19 AM
Here we go!




Nigerian San Beda cager brings case to CHR (source: http://sports.inquirer.net/36847/nigerian-san-beda-cager-brings-case-to-chr)

MANILA, Philippines—A San Beda basketball player is set to file a formal complaint to the Commission on Human Rights (CHR) Tuesday after the NCAA Policy Board and Management Committee allegedly “overlooked the incident” that triggered the brawl involving the SBC men’s basketball team and the San Sebastian women’s volleyball squad.

Ola Adeogun, San Beda’s prolific Nigerian cager, said in a complaint affidavit obtained by the Inquirer that “an unprovoked racial slur uttered against [him]” sparked the melee but the “gravity of this utterance was simply set aside as of no significance by the ManComm in its investigation.”

kerouac82
03-06-2012, 02:35 PM
Boom. Mga NCAA Mancom kasi. Racist pigs of the lowest kind.

danny
03-07-2012, 04:30 AM
I hope this is the DEATH BLOW to the racist NCAA.

A racist league in a colonial society. How disgusting can they get.

danny
03-07-2012, 04:48 AM
Filipinos cry to the high heavens when discriminated. Yet, here we are, a nation whose central history is the struggle for equal rights and respect from our colonizers ,who are doing the most disgusting act ourselves.

We continue to allow discrimination in sports via the Racist NCAA.

Something is wrong. Something has got to give.

A RACIST LEAGUE HAS NO REASON TO EXIST .

danny
03-15-2012, 03:41 AM
http://www.facebook.com/pulagroup

Olen Juarez-Lim

When asked about his reaction on the racial discrimination issue hounding the NCAA, this is what Atty Rene Saguisag, noted constitutionalist and human rights lawyer, had to say: (being circulated with his permission, of course)




ADDING INJURY TO INSULT

Adeogun Olaide Jubril is a San Beda Red Lion from Nigeria.
...
I am amazed that those concerned should be do dismissive of "unggoy" being hurled at him. To me it is like like saying "nigger" or "nigrah" in the U.S. today. It just is not done in polite society.

After hearing "gago" recently used in the impeachment hearing and the Senate looking the other way, the diminution or disappearance of "breeding" is becoming more and more pronounced.

Now we see injury being added to insult. Adeogun is banned from entering any NCAA venue for two years!

Suppose the issue reaches the United Nations as a violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? We will lose the goodwill of our African brothers and sisters and much of the civilized world.

I have been an NCAA fan all my life. I have not heard any team officially using "Unggoy" as part of any team's chant, with all due respect to the NCAA Mancom. No Egot, no Tsekwa, atbp. is sanctioned if we are to remain civilized in a society where breeding is going, going, gone.

What happened to the volleyball player who started or joined the chant of San Sebastian? I am incredulous that such a distinguished school would approve such an un-Christian chant. Say it ain't so.

I hope Mancom will reconsider and moderate and equalize sanctions. Titles should be won in the hard court, not in a board or courtroom. To fight for the basic human right of dignity should encouraged everywhere, particularly in Catholic schools.

When Shaquille O'Neal said Ching-Chong-Yan-Wah-Ah-So, he apologized to Yao Ming. Shouldn't the one who said "Unggoy" also apologize?

PLEASE PASS!

animo
03-15-2012, 09:11 PM
from Ms. O's FB


NCAA voted against foreign players. Hopeless case na talga


i wonder, can this new rule be challenge in court?

animo
03-15-2012, 09:32 PM
OT
is this already a law? or still pending?
http://www.senate.gov.ph/press_release/2011/0511_legarda2.asp

animo
03-15-2012, 10:25 PM
OT
is this already a law? or still pending?
http://www.senate.gov.ph/press_release/2011/0511_legarda2.asp



i guess its already a law based on these news report.

http://www.tempo.com.ph/2011/senate-oks-2-bills-anti-discrimination-act-and-kindergarten-act/#.T2Li29nhj7Y
http://mb.com.ph/node/342221/kindergarten-act-antidi

a good test case

genom222
03-15-2012, 11:22 PM
NCAA voted against foreign players. Hopeless case na talga

Are they freaking serious??? T@nga ba sila???

animo
03-16-2012, 10:39 AM
NCAA voted against foreign players. Hopeless case na talga

Are they freaking serious??? T@nga ba sila???


they have their own agenda. instead of taking the challenge they opted the easy way to hide their incompetence.

MonL
03-16-2012, 12:29 PM
NCAA voted against foreign players. Hopeless case na talga

Are they freaking serious??? T@nga ba sila???


they have their own agenda. instead of taking the challenge they opted the easy way to hide their incompetence.



Murphy's Law: Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse. :P

If they want it bad enough, chances are they won't get it. ;D

danny
03-16-2012, 02:50 PM
At gusto pa daw tapatan ng NCAA ang UAAP. Mga gago talaga. Ambisyoso. :D

Bobong, ambisyosong engot na mga Racist. San Beda hindi niyo kaya, UAAP pa. Bobo! :D

motuphils
03-16-2012, 04:39 PM
from Ms. O's FB


NCAA voted against foreign players. Hopeless case na talga


i wonder, can this new rule be challenge in court?




wow. how low can they get?

will this cover fil-fors as well? talaga'ng "pinaghandaan" ang San Beda a.

animo
03-16-2012, 05:32 PM
from Ms. O's FB


NCAA voted against foreign players. Hopeless case na talga


i wonder, can this new rule be challenge in court?




wow. how low can they get?

will this cover fil-fors as well? talaga'ng "pinaghandaan" ang San Beda a.




i don't think kasama ang fil-fors, bec. they are filipinos.
i'm sure alam yan ni arnold clavio ;D

Leon_Guerero
03-16-2012, 07:09 PM
from Ms. O's FB


NCAA voted against foreign players. Hopeless case na talga


i wonder, can this new rule be challenge in court?




Dalhin uli naten sa CHR 'tong issue na 'to.

animo
03-16-2012, 09:17 PM
from Ms. O's FB


NCAA voted against foreign players. Hopeless case na talga


i wonder, can this new rule be challenge in court?




Dalhin uli naten sa CHR 'tong issue na 'to.


any lawyer here?
pasok ba sa anti discrimination act of 2011?

danny
03-16-2012, 11:14 PM
The PHILIPPINE NCAA wants to turn back the time.

WE are now entering another RACIST move to segregate non-Filipinos in our school system via sports. If they can accept this idea in A UNIVERSALLY INCLUSIVE HUMAN ACTIVITY LIKE SPORTS, how far can these RACISTS go?

O yeah, they just said the the RACIAL SLUR against OLA was not intended to be RACIST.

WE SHALL OVERCOME! COURAGE!

bluegreen
03-19-2012, 01:30 PM
What about the Filipino Basketball Players who get displaced and lose opportunities for studies and development due to the recruiting of Foreign Players and Fil-Foreign Players? Aren't they also getting the short end of the stick?

Many have been displaced and suffered at the PBA level because of this, and now this will trickle further to the School Ranks? Before you know it, we may all be cheering for Foreign and Fil-Foreign Players only.

Some control needed here - maybe not banning them, but limiting and putting a cap on the number Foreign and Fil-Foreign Players per Team, so that true Filipinos get the benefit of studying and playing through a varsity sports scholarship in any sport.

Stardust
03-19-2012, 01:55 PM
I recall the NCAA have its limits already, i.e. two foreign players per team only, and only one can play at any given time.

danny
03-19-2012, 02:47 PM
How about if we also ban OFWS. Susme. :D

franz_inwurdz
03-19-2012, 10:52 PM
What about the Filipino Basketball Players who get displaced and lose opportunities for studies and development due to the recruiting of Foreign Players and Fil-Foreign Players? Aren't they also getting the short end of the stick


let's make the statement narrower

Since San Beda is located in Manila, what about Manileno Basketball players who get displaced and lose opportunities?

It has been done for decades, why now? My gulay.

And as Stardust has mentioned, may restrictions na rin yan for so long.

Let's focus on really disturbing issues such as STUDENT-athletes staying in the provinces and not attending school. Let's focus on game-fixing players. Tutukan natin yung nga maduduming manlalaro na ang pakay Lang ay manakit tuwing sasampa sa court.

Baka nalilito na tayo, Ang PBA ay para sa athletang Pinoy.

Ang NCAA ay para sa athletang estudyante

I'm not saying that all Bedan athletes are dean listers

All I'm saying is if you want level the playing field in the NCAA you focus on Student-Athletes. Why?

Dahil Ang NCAA ay para sa athletang estudyante .
Ulit.

ANG NCAA AY PARA SA ATHLETANG ESTUDYANTE .

genom222
03-19-2012, 11:58 PM
What about the Filipino Basketball Players who get displaced and lose opportunities for studies and development due to the recruiting of Foreign Players and Fil-Foreign Players? Aren't they also getting the short end of the stick


let's make the statement narrower

Since San Beda is located in Manila, what about Manileno Basketball players who get displaced and lose opportunities?

It has been done for decades, why now? My gulay.

And as Stardust has mentioned, may restrictions na rin yan for so long.

Let's focus on really disturbing issues such as STUDENT-athletes staying in the provinces and not attending school. Let's focus on game-fixing players. Tutukan natin yung nga maduduming manlalaro na ang pakay Lang ay manakit tuwing sasampa sa court.

Baka nalilito na tayo, Ang PBA ay para sa athletang Pinoy.

Ang NCAA ay para sa athletang estudyante

I'm not saying that all Bedan athletes are dean listers

All I'm saying is if you want level the playing field in the NCAA you focus on Student-Athletes. Why?

Dahil Ang NCAA ay para sa athletang estudyante .
Ulit.

ANG NCAA AY PARA SA ATHLETANG ESTUDYANTE .


couldn't agree with you more pre, well said!

animo
03-21-2012, 11:23 AM
International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (March 21)

http://www.un.org/en/events/racialdiscriminationday/

"Racism continues to cause suffering for millions of people around the world.... I look to all people to join the United Nations in our drive to eliminate racism. We must, individually and collectively, stamp out racism, stigma and prejudice."


Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon
Message for the International Day for the
Elimination of Racial Discrimination 2012


2012 Theme: "Racism and Conflict"

The theme for this year's event is "Racism and Conflict," highlighting the fact that racism and discrimination often are at the root of deadly conflict.

The theme was chosen to capture the often ignored yet mutually reinforcing relationship between racism and conflict. In many parts of the world, racism, prejudice and xenophobia create extreme tension and are used as powerful weapons to engender fear or hatred in times of conflict. Prejudice and xenophobia can even lead to genocide, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and war crimes.

This year's theme aims to raise awareness of these issues and to recall the plight of the victims who suffered or continue to suffer as a result of racism-related conflicts.

The first article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights affirms that “all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights”. The International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination reminds us of our collective responsibility for promoting and protecting this ideal.

MonL
03-21-2012, 11:30 AM
International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (March 21)

http://www.un.org/en/events/racialdiscriminationday/

"Racism continues to cause suffering for millions of people around the world.... I look to all people to join the United Nations in our drive to eliminate racism. We must, individually and collectively, stamp out racism, stigma and prejudice."


Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon
Message for the International Day for the
Elimination of Racial Discrimination 2012


2012 Theme: "Racism and Conflict"

The theme for this year's event is "Racism and Conflict," highlighting the fact that racism and discrimination often are at the root of deadly conflict.

The theme was chosen to capture the often ignored yet mutually reinforcing relationship between racism and conflict. In many parts of the world, racism, prejudice and xenophobia create extreme tension and are used as powerful weapons to engender fear or hatred in times of conflict. Prejudice and xenophobia can even lead to genocide, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and war crimes.

This year's theme aims to raise awareness of these issues and to recall the plight of the victims who suffered or continue to suffer as a result of racism-related conflicts.

The first article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights affirms that “all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights”. The International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination reminds us of our collective responsibility for promoting and protecting this ideal.


And the Stupid Anti-San Beda cabal just HAD to pick THIS year to introduce a blatantly discriminatory policy.
Talk of having a crummy sense of timing. :P
I'm laughing to death right now. :D

animo
03-21-2012, 11:46 AM
Let's Fight Racism!

http://www.un.org/en/letsfightracism/


facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/unitednationshumanrights?sk=app_264186463613656


twitter

http://twitter.com/#!/un
using #FightRacism.

Lions_craze
03-21-2012, 02:33 PM
I recall the NCAA have its limits already, i.e. two foreign players per team only, and only one can play at any given time.



yes, there are already limitations as to foreign players...and I think it is already enough...that's why the argument of "balancing competition" is flawed. Remember that the limit is virtually 1 player at a time. Basketball is played by 5 players and even if the foreign player is dominant he can't win games by his lonesome...look at the PBA, you can see imports scoring 45+ points on a losing cause.

You do not balance the competition by being equal man-for-man. In addition, banning foreign player by Lana's argument is an admission of inferiority.

animo
03-24-2012, 02:36 PM
Bedan from California
http://www.inboundpass.com/2012/03/2...comment-170620

"When sanctions are grossly exagerated, there is usually a hidden agenda involved.”
From California where i reside, we Bedans who live here are very disappointed by the political intramurals taking place in the NCAA in the guise of correction and disciplinary action.
We agree that there is malice involved in the current sanctions implemented by the Management Committee of the NCAA. It is undeniable as the sanctions are grossly inapproprate to the unfortunate incidents that were questioned.
Imagine this for a second, “The United States NCAA banned all foreigners from participating their events and activities.” How’s that sound?
Foreign players in San Beda is a product of a sound sports program and strong program usually entails a lot of financial support. Should San Beda be faulted with this?
Another case in point, if San Beda’s foreign players were simply “just average” Would this still be an issue at all?
“The Shortsightedness of the committee is dangerous” Shortsightedness in policy is usually caused by protecting the self interest of a few instead of promoting the goals of the league.

Continuing my arguements,
In the ACADEMIA, there is no such thing as “imports.” Not at all. In the US NCAA for example, there are African athletes as well as Europeans who are extending their athletic skills for the sake of education and a future career in sports.
The word “Import” connotes a business interest. This can be applied in the PBA but not in the Academia where the freedom to learn and develop one’s total person is a right and not a privilege.
Now, since the Man Com has used the words “Banned” and “Restricted,” It is very obvious that the measures they imposed is not in the spirit of disciplinary action, correction and even prevention. It is in the spirit of Punity, Isolation, Retailiation. So it is very Malicious.

Another case in point, If Odeogun and Armon were outsiders of the NCAA because of their status as athletes still completing their residency, Why were their name singled out? If they were outsiders, then they should have been banned without the need for their names to be mentioned. They are outsiders or ineligible players still trying to obtain their eligibility. But for their names to be mentioned out with the following terms, BANNED and RESTRICTED, it clearly shows they are being singled out.
Lastly, i just want to say this matter because i really think this is very important. The NCAA has a violent past. This is because of misplaced ego and miguided competitiveness, but mainly jealousy and mistrust. Since the Mancom, who consists of powerful people from different schools, made a move of this questionable magnitude and continues to do so by promoting a discriminating policy banning foreign players from Sports Academia, The ugly past of the NCAA may very well come back again as the league is no longer about brotherhood,sportsmanship, goodwill among schools, and friendly competition.
Philippine Basketball will not prosper and develop until we learn how to play and win against and with international players.

To say Foreign Players are better than local players has some credibilty to it, but the challenge for us to overcome that is still up to us and we can do it. Banning foreign players is an admission that we are helpless, hopeless and inferior against them. So at this point, its either you accept it, or fight it. I know Manny Pacquiao and Jeremy Lin did it in his trade, Why can’t we?
“Magdayaan at Mag-inggitan na lang tayo!”
I think San Beda should arrange moving to another league where there is a sense of “Class” and “Finesse” in competitions.
What an opportunity to break a team!

Let me explain this further, but please do not interpret this as agitation. Not at all!
“The ugly past of the NCAA may very well come back again as the league is no longer about brotherhood,sportsmanship, goodwill among schools, and friendly competition.”
When i said ugly past of the NCAA, i meant the violence of that took place in the 60′s, 70′s and 80′s among the competing schools.
One rivalry that existed not just in the courts, but in the streets as well, is San Beda and Letran. It was so ugly, those rumbles sprouted to Fraternities and Gangsterism as well.
Letran, the spearheader of this move to isolate San Beda led by their clergy if i heard this right, should take note and learn from this.
History can repeat again and it doesn’t have to. The absence of justice and worse, its abuse, can lead to ugliness.
In closing, i just want to say this and ask everyone here how this fictitious statement sounds,
“The United States NCAA has banned the participation of foreigners in sports competition. The reason, the officials felt they have to level the playing field… The ban applies to all foreigners especially Filipino athletes…”
Catch my drift?

danny
03-25-2012, 12:26 PM
No to racism.


http://www.geocities.ws/filipinoculture/images/mn_exhibit2.jpg
In 1899 the Boston Sunday Globe illustrated how 'savage' Filipinos could adapt their skills to 'civilized' society


http://www.geocities.ws/filipinoculture/images/mn_exhibit4.jpg
An 1899 drawing in Puck magazine showed Native Americans sending a message to the Philippines: 'Be good, or you will be dead'

http://www.geocities.ws/filipinoculture/images/mn_exhibit3.jpg
Puck in 1899 showed Uncle Sam glaring at four pupils representing (from left) the Phillippiines, Hawaii, Puerto Rico and Cuba

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IMAGES OF RACISM: HOW 19th CENTURY US.MEDIA DEPICTED FILIPINOS AS SAVAGES
SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE - Benjamin Pimintel
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Abe Ignacio said he couldn't believe his eyes when he saw the century-old illustration for sale on eBay.

The cover of an 1899 issue of Judge magazine shows President William McKinley scrubbing a Filipino child saying, "Oh, you dirty boy!" The caption reads: "The Filipino's First Bath."

Ignacio of San Leandro bought the rare image and others from the era that are now part of a Berkeley exhibit of depictions of Filipinos in mainstream media -- as savages to be civilized by the United States as part of the colonization of the Philippines.

"It's revisiting a terrible period that most historians have ignored," said Ignacio, who works as a Federal Express driver and has collected about 400 images from that period since the late 1980s. "It's important to show that there was a very ugly side to America's rise as a world power."

"Colored: Black n' White," at exhibit at Pusod, a community arts and environmental center, includes drawings, editorial cartoons, photos and news clips from prominent magazines and newspapers that covered the U.S. annexation of the Philippines in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It was put together by Ignacio, his wife, Helen Toribio, who is a college instructor, and Jorge Emmanuel, an environmental scientist.

The Philippines had declared its independence from Spain in 1898 when the archipelago was ceded to the United States for $20 million. Filipino revolutionaries rejected the U.S. colonial regime, but their resistance was suppressed in a bloody war of conquest that claimed at least 250,000 lives, mostly Filipino civilians.

To justify the use of military force in the Philippines, many pro- annexation politicians, writers and artists portrayed the Filipinos as primitive, childlike and incapable of governing themselves.

An August 1898 drawing from Puck magazine, which is part of the exhibit, shows a mother figure representing America accepting a basket of crying babies representing the Philippines and other nations conquered by United States, including Hawaii and Puerto Rico.
An 1899 illustration in Judge magazine shows a similar image with the caption "The White Man's Burden" -- a phrase coined by British writer Rudyard Kipling, who supported the U.S. bid to annex the Philippines.

In 1899, the Boston Sunday Globe published an illustration depicting the supposed transformation of Filipinos under U.S. tutelage, from ignorant savages to civilized people who play baseball and wear Western clothes.

A headline from the San Francisco Evening Post declared: "Filipinos Do Not Like Work."

The collection includes clippings from two other San Francisco newspapers. "Manila Insurgents Routed With Great Slaughter/Two Hundred of Our Men Wounded, Natives Driven Into the River and Drowned," reads an 1899 headline in The Chronicle. "I Left Samar A Howling Wilderness," read a headline with an account of a U.S.-led massacre published in the Hearst-owned Examiner.

The most striking illustrations in the collection came from Puck and Judge magazines. The publications are now defunct, but Professor Tom Leonard, university librarian of the University of California at Berkeley, said they were important and influential publications in the early 20th century, the equivalent of today's Time and Newsweek.

"They were major magazines and they were read by educated people," he said. "They were not fringe publications."

U.S. media in the late 19th century were notorious for depicting nonwhite communities, including American minorities, as lower forms of people, Leonard said. Public opinion has progressed to the point that such depictions are "widely condemned" as inaccurate and unfair, he added.

Ignacio said he believes racism is still a problem in America, citing the killing of Joseph Ileto, the Filipino American postal worker shot in Los Angeles two years ago by a white supremacist.

Collecting the images was a personal journey for Ignacio. The son of Filipino immigrants, he endured racial taunts as a child growing up in San Diego.

"You actually begin to not like yourself and deny that," he said.

Doing research on the Philippine American War helped him understand the roots of the racism. He began buying old magazine illustrations and cartoons at antique stores, bookstores and on the Internet.

"It was exciting, like a treasure hunt," he said. "You find important pieces to give people a full flavor of the racial sensibilities of the time."

Many who have seen them were shocked.

Larkspur artist Elizabeth Saul said the exhibit helps explain the concept of Manifest Destiny, the philosophy that sought to justify the United States' westward expansion.

"These images speak so strongly," she said. "You can hear someone talk about (Manifest Destiny) over and over again, but when you are confronted with images that are vile, pompous and arrogant, it strikes a chord that words can't communicate efficiently."

A section of the exhibit focused on similarities in the portrayals of Filipinos and African Americans. U.S. troops fighting in the Philippines referred to Filipinos as "niggers" or "gugus."

Berkeley artist Mildred Howard said the exhibit "makes something horrible visible."

"How is it that one race feels that they were so much more important?" Howard, who is African American, asked. "I know it's probably because of greed and economics and a way to exploit others."

The exhibit will run until September 30. Ignacio said he and the other curators have received invitations from colleges, universities and Filipino American organizations.

Co-curator Helen Toribio, who grew up in Hawaii, said the exhibit is a way to get a dark period of U.S. and Philippines history "out of my system."

"Anyone who grew up here, grew up with the mythology of America the beautiful, the great democracy, and there is very little exposure to the dark side," she said. "There is a lot that is hidden about American history."

"Colored: Black n' White" is open Tuesdays through Saturdays from 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. at Pusod, 1808 Fifth St., Berkeley. It is open by appointment on other days and at other times. For information, call the Pusod center at (510) 883-1808. / E-mail Benjamin

http://www.geocities.ws/filipinoculture/racism.html
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NCAA: "UNGGOY WORD" THROWN AT OLA IS NOT-RACIST.


Filipinos were racially discriminated. Now the it's the NCAA'S turn to discriminate. Bull crap!

motuphils
03-26-2012, 06:36 AM
The racism continues.

NCAA set to bar foreign players
By Joey Villar (The Philippine Star) Updated March 26, 2012 12:00 AM Comments (0)


MANILA, Philippines - Tapping foreign athletes will now be a thing of the past in the NCAA.

This came after the policy board, now chaired by Fr. Tamerlane Lana, OP, of Season 88 host Letran, had approved with finality a proposal disallowing member schools from recruiting and tapping foreign players.

Although approved, the NCAA is still deliberating and discussing when the new ruling will be implemented although sources said there is a plan to put it in practice three years from now, or in Season 90.

“Yes but maybe the non-acceptance of foreign players will be implemented on Season 90,” a source told The STAR yesterday.

The 2014 schedule is being proposed to give member schools a two-year transition period wherein they could form an all-Filipino team.

However, the new ruling, whose implementation will be discussed by the board in its next meeting before Season 88 opens in June, does not cover foreign players who have been recruited before its approval.

animo
03-26-2012, 09:51 AM
Senate passes bill penalizing racial discrimination
By Marvin Sy (The Philippine Star) Updated November 23, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (0)
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=751133&publicationSubCategoryId=63



MANILA, Philippines - The Senate passed on third reading last Monday a bill that would prohibit and penalize racial discrimination in the workplace, educational institutions, and services.

Senate Bill 2814 also known as the Anti-Discrimination Act of 2011, according to its sponsor Sen. Loren Legarda, would provide a lasting and effective solution to discrimination in the country.

Legarda said that based on the 20th Periodic report submitted by the government to the Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD) in 2008, the Philippines does not formally recognize the existence of racial discrimination in the country.

She quoted the country’s official stand in the report as saying “racial discrimination is alien to the prevailing mores and culture of the Filipino People” and that “racial discrimination has never officially or factually existed in the Philippines, neither in a systemic nor formal nor intermittent nor isolated manner” because “Filipinos have essentially the same racial and ethnic origins.”

Legarda said the government has to formally recognize the existence of racial discrimination in the country.

“Before we eliminate it, its existence has to be acknowledged. Sadly, the government’s stand on the non-existence of racial or ethnic discrimination clearly underscores the reality in society,” she said.

The bill stipulates penalties on acts of racial discrimination in employment, education, delivery of goods, facilities and services, accommodation, transportation, media, and in search and investigatory activities.

Persons who “request, induce, encourage and authorize or assist others to commit acts of discrimination or profiling” would also be held liable.

A penalty of imprisonment of nine months to 12 years and/or a fine of P100,000 to P500,000 would be imposed on persons found guilty of committing acts of racial discrimination.

The procedures for the resolution, settlement, or prosecution of racial discrimination acts would be drawn up by the Commission on Human Rights, Department of Labor and Employment, Department of Education, Department of Health, National Commission on Indigenous Peoples, National Commission on Muslim Filipinos, Civil Service Commission, and Department of Trade and Industry.

Equal Opportunity Committees would also be established in public and private agencies, corporations and educational institutions to ensure compliance with the law.

“Through this proposed measure, we should be able to avoid unnecessary prejudice and other forms of intolerance and give equal opportunity to each individual to achieve his full potential as a person and as a Filipino citizen,” Legarda said.

The counterpart bill at the House of Representatives, House Bill 4807, has also been passed on third reading. Legarda hopes the two versions would be harmonized and enacted into law before Christmas.



can the mancom/policy board's ruling re banning of foreign student athletes in ncaa be challenge in court as violation of Senate Bill 2814 also known as the Anti-Discrimination Act of 2011?

admiral thrawn
03-26-2012, 11:19 AM
^^ Senate bill palang ata yan..di pa batas yan! pero i'm sure there are legislations available na pwedeng gamitin to challenge the rule

animo
03-26-2012, 11:30 AM
http://www.tempo.com.ph/2011/senate-oks-2-bills-anti-discrimination-act-and-kindergarten-act/#.T2Li29nhj7Y (http://www.tempo.com.ph/2011/senate-oks-2-bills-anti-discrimination-act-and-kindergarten-act/#.T2Li29nhj7Y)
http://mb.com.ph/node/342221/kindergarten-act-antidi

admiral thrawn
03-26-2012, 01:33 PM
Hindi pa.punta ka sa website ng official gazette..ang naka pass pa lang as law yung kindergarten act.

admiral thrawn
03-26-2012, 02:04 PM
pero pwedeng gamitin ito.....http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm

paul0220
03-26-2012, 04:47 PM
pero pwedeng gamitin ito.....http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm
It is not an inherent right of a foreigner to play for any league in the Philippines.. He/she has to abide by the rules of that league and that is not racial discrimination.. the same way that a Filipino cannot just simply go to another country and join their league if their rules does not allow it.. the policy on allowing foreign players to play in the NCAA was set by the MANCOM, so the MANCOM can also take back that policy.. any organization is ruled by what the majority agrees, if you won't subscribe to what the majority ruled then get out of the organization.

The main question here is can the RLs not win without a foreign player given their vast resources to recruit the best Filipino/Fil-for players? If they believe they can then why harp on the issue of racial discrimination when it's not..

MonL
03-26-2012, 05:00 PM
pero pwedeng gamitin ito.....http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm
It is not an inherent right of a foreigner to play for any league in the Philippines.. He/she has to abide by the rules of that league and that is not racial discrimination.. the same way that a Filipino cannot just simply go to another country and join their league if their rules does not allow it.. the policy on allowing foreign players to play in the NCAA was set by the MANCOM, so the MANCOM can also take back that policy.. any organization is ruled by what the majority agrees, if you won't subscribe to what the majority ruled then get out of the organization.

The main question here is can the RLs not win without a foreign player given their vast resources to recruit the best Filipino/Fil-for players? If they believe they can then why harp on the issue of racial discrimination when it's not..


When you single out foreigners, that's discrimination. It should be enough that any student-athlete complies with the eligibility requirements.

The "main question" is not even an issue in itself. But for the sake of this discussion, we have proven that we can win without foreign players.

Now the main issue is this: what is the TRUE reason for the proposed banning? Is it because they want to level the playing field, or is it because they simply cannot keep up?

nnahoj
03-26-2012, 05:40 PM
pero pwedeng gamitin ito.....http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm
It is not an inherent right of a foreigner to play for any league in the Philippines.. He/she has to abide by the rules of that league and that is not racial discrimination.. the same way that a Filipino cannot just simply go to another country and join their league if their rules does not allow it.. the policy on allowing foreign players to play in the NCAA was set by the MANCOM, so the MANCOM can also take back that policy.. any organization is ruled by what the majority agrees, if you won't subscribe to what the majority ruled then get out of the organization.

The main question here is can the RLs not win without a foreign player given their vast resources to recruit the best Filipino/Fil-for players? If they believe they can then why harp on the issue of racial discrimination when it's not..


WRONG. Please refer to something called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

kerouac82
03-26-2012, 06:54 PM
pero pwedeng gamitin ito.....http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm
It is not an inherent right of a foreigner to play for any league in the Philippines.. He/she has to abide by the rules of that league and that is not racial discrimination.. the same way that a Filipino cannot just simply go to another country and join their league if their rules does not allow it.. the policy on allowing foreign players to play in the NCAA was set by the MANCOM, so the MANCOM can also take back that policy.. any organization is ruled by what the majority agrees, if you won't subscribe to what the majority ruled then get out of the organization.

The main question here is can the RLs not win without a foreign player given their vast resources to recruit the best Filipino/Fil-for players? If they believe they can then why harp on the issue of racial discrimination when it's not..


This was already proven last year. At the same time, it is not proven that other schools with foreign players can win titles the way SBC did with an all-Filipino lineup.

admiral thrawn
03-26-2012, 10:41 PM
pero pwedeng gamitin ito.....http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm
It is not an inherent right of a foreigner to play for any league in the Philippines.. He/she has to abide by the rules of that league and that is not racial discrimination.. the same way that a Filipino cannot just simply go to another country and join their league if their rules does not allow it.. the policy on allowing foreign players to play in the NCAA was set by the MANCOM, so the MANCOM can also take back that policy.. any organization is ruled by what the majority agrees, if you won't subscribe to what the majority ruled then get out of the organization.

The main question here is can the RLs not win without a foreign player given their vast resources to recruit the best Filipino/Fil-for players? If they believe they can then why harp on the issue of racial discrimination when it's not..

instead of qouting me sana binasa mo muna ang definition ng racial discrimination doon sa site ng binigay ko!

every rule imposed by a league must comply with certain standard imposed by law or treaty...no one is above the law not even the NCAA. When a rule imposed by a certain private enterprise is against the law that is ultra vires..and that rule is null and void and without binding effect in the eyes of the law.

danny
03-27-2012, 06:34 AM
Joke time! :D

danny
03-27-2012, 07:34 AM
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=229578947140498&id=155124921233975

http://un.op.org/

At the United Nations, Dominicans participates in the fight against racism. Racism is denying God's will for all humanity.

I have already sent a letter to the Dominicans fighting against Racism.

Fr. Lana, you should be ashamed of yourself. WE cannot allow a racist priest to continue with denial of God's will for all humanity.

franz_inwurdz
03-27-2012, 12:25 PM
The PBA is for Filipino athletes.
The NCAA is for STUDENT-athletes.

WAG KAYONG MALITO.

Ang dapat i-ban ay yung mga hindi naman estudyante!

Ang tunay na import sa NCAA ay ang mga hindi naman estudyante.

Ang tanong kaya nyo bang manalo ng wala ang mga to? ;D

paul0220
03-27-2012, 01:17 PM
pero pwedeng gamitin ito.....http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm
It is not an inherent right of a foreigner to play for any league in the Philippines.. He/she has to abide by the rules of that league and that is not racial discrimination.. the same way that a Filipino cannot just simply go to another country and join their league if their rules does not allow it.. the policy on allowing foreign players to play in the NCAA was set by the MANCOM, so the MANCOM can also take back that policy.. any organization is ruled by what the majority agrees, if you won't subscribe to what the majority ruled then get out of the organization.

The main question here is can the RLs not win without a foreign player given their vast resources to recruit the best Filipino/Fil-for players? If they believe they can then why harp on the issue of racial discrimination when it's not..

instead of qouting me sana binasa mo muna ang definition ng racial discrimination doon sa site ng binigay ko!

every rule imposed by a league must comply with certain standard imposed by law or treaty...no one is above the law not even the NCAA. When a rule imposed by a certain private enterprise is against the law that is ultra vires..and that rule is null and void and without binding effect in the eyes of the law.
I don't have to read the definition of racial discrimination on the site you cited.. I would just give you a concrete example of what the NCAA rule of not allowing a foreign player to play in its league not racially discriminatory, the PBA rule of not allowing foreign players to play as locals.. did the likes of Alex Compton and Kirk Long said it is racial discrimination? They abide by the rules by simply asking for consideration and in the case of Alex Compton when his request was denied did not condemn the PBA as racially discriminating. If it is against any law or treaty on racial discrimination for a particular organization to set its rules to be purely for Filipinos then most companies or organization in this country have in one way or another violated those laws or treaties. Is it racial discrimination when a company hires personnel and specifically state in the requirement "Must be Filipino citizen"?

admiral thrawn
03-27-2012, 02:08 PM
PBA is so different from the collegiate leagues.

Players in the PBA play basketball to put food on their table and send their kid to school.....ergo playing basketball for this people is a profession.Hence these guys will play whenever their body permits them to do so. since this is a exercise of a profession it is but reasonable to put a relative preferential treatment for Filipino..I say relative because there are certain conferences wherein in foreigner are allowed to play because the league it self recognizes that they add competition and excitement to the league. But this is also regulated.right..the government requires these imports to get the nod of GAB before playing.

Ito yung flaw ng argumento ng mga "patriotic" people ng mancom ...akala nila ang paglalaro ng basketball sa NCAA ay profession ng mga player..Puro mga studyante yan na di naman habang panahon na maglalaro para sa school...

unfortunately it is not for kirk long and alex compton to determine what is racial discrimination....its the law/treaty that determines it! kaya nga basahin mo para malinawan ka eh!

danny
03-28-2012, 03:47 AM
What is it that is so hard to accept that MANCOM is practicing RACIAL DISCRIMINATION?

Non-Filipinos, meaning those whose race is other than Filipino. tHE Other RACE are not allowed. Are they earthworms that we do not consider them another RACE?

Excluding one party is discrimination. EXLUSION BASED ON RACE IS RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.

Can MANCOM impose a racially discriminatory rule. Sure. But does it change the nature of the discrimination? Nope.

It is still DISCRIMINATION BASED ON RACE. RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.


Many PINOYS are racists and they don't even know it. :D

The_Big_Cat
03-28-2012, 12:47 PM
I don't have to read the definition of racial discrimination on the site you cited.. I would just give you a concrete example of what the NCAA rule of not allowing a foreign player to play in its league not racially discriminatory, the PBA rule of not allowing foreign players to play as locals.. did the likes of Alex Compton and Kirk Long said it is racial discrimination? They abide by the rules by simply asking for consideration and in the case of Alex Compton when his request was denied did not condemn the PBA as racially discriminating. If it is against any law or treaty on racial discrimination for a particular organization to set its rules to be purely for Filipinos then most companies or organization in this country have in one way or another violated those laws or treaties. Is it racial discrimination when a company hires personnel and specifically state in the requirement "Must be Filipino citizen"?


The collegiate leagues like the NCAA and UAAP are different from the PBA. Alex Compton could have played college ball here while Kirk Long played 5 years in the UAAP.

Foreigners have rights too like us, Filipinos, here in the Philippines. The right to education.

The NCAA may become the first college sports organization to ban foreigners from enrolling in college in the Philippines.

LION
03-28-2012, 12:50 PM
pero pwedeng gamitin ito.....http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm
It is not an inherent right of a foreigner to play for any league in the Philippines.. He/she has to abide by the rules of that league and that is not racial discrimination.. the same way that a Filipino cannot just simply go to another country and join their league if their rules does not allow it.. the policy on allowing foreign players to play in the NCAA was set by the MANCOM, so the MANCOM can also take back that policy.. any organization is ruled by what the majority agrees, if you won't subscribe to what the majority ruled then get out of the organization.

The main question here is can the RLs not win without a foreign player given their vast resources to recruit the best Filipino/Fil-for players? If they believe they can then why harp on the issue of racial discrimination when it's not..

instead of qouting me sana binasa mo muna ang definition ng racial discrimination doon sa site ng binigay ko!

every rule imposed by a league must comply with certain standard imposed by law or treaty...no one is above the law not even the NCAA. When a rule imposed by a certain private enterprise is against the law that is ultra vires..and that rule is null and void and without binding effect in the eyes of the law.
I don't have to read the definition of racial discrimination on the site you cited.. I would just give you a concrete example of what the NCAA rule of not allowing a foreign player to play in its league not racially discriminatory, the PBA rule of not allowing foreign players to play as locals.. did the likes of Alex Compton and Kirk Long said it is racial discrimination? They abide by the rules by simply asking for consideration and in the case of Alex Compton when his request was denied did not condemn the PBA as racially discriminating. If it is against any law or treaty on racial discrimination for a particular organization to set its rules to be purely for Filipinos then most companies or organization in this country have in one way or another violated those laws or treaties. Is it racial discrimination when a company hires personnel and specifically state in the requirement "Must be Filipino citizen"?


In Hong Kong, there are some stores with signage at the entrance saying "FILIPINOS NOT ALLOWED". Beside the signage is another signage saying "DOGS NOT ALLOWED". Well, that is the rule/prerogative of the store owner and that is his damn right, right? What racial discrimination are we talking about! Us Filipinos/brown monkeys are sensitive fools. Dogs never complain.

paul0220
03-28-2012, 12:57 PM
PBA is so different from the collegiate leagues.

Players in the PBA play basketball to put food on their table and send their kid to school.....ergo playing basketball for this people is a profession.Hence these guys will play whenever their body permits them to do so. since this is a exercise of a profession it is but reasonable to put a relative preferential treatment for Filipino..I say relative because there are certain conferences wherein in foreigner are allowed to play because the league it self recognizes that they add competition and excitement to the league. But this is also regulated.right..the government requires these imports to get the nod of GAB before playing.

Ito yung flaw ng argumento ng mga "patriotic" people ng mancom ...akala nila ang paglalaro ng basketball sa NCAA ay profession ng mga player..Puro mga studyante yan na di naman habang panahon na maglalaro para sa school...

unfortunately it is not for kirk long and alex compton to determine what is racial discrimination....its the law/treaty that determines it! kaya nga basahin mo para malinawan ka eh!
So there is a distinction between a professional and a collegiate player when it comes to racial discrimination.. it is not racial discrimination when you are a professional and it is racial discrimination when you are a collegiate player.. As you said in the PBA they allow foreigners to play subject to certain "rules" and they need the approval of the GAB. It does not fall under your definition of "racial discrimination" as you interpreted it against the NCAA Mancom rule of not allowing foreigners to play in their league.

Ang paglalaro ng basketball sa Pilipinas ay para ng profession.. you study for free, you have allowances and other perks.. let us not be naive to think that most of these foreigners came here just to study.. how many of those who played in the NCAA have graduated from college? Isn't it true that these foreigners are recruited by agents to come and play here subject to certain perks?

Please quote me the exact provisions in your mentioned laws/treaties that applies to your argument so i would agree and support you in your crusade..

lekiboy
03-28-2012, 02:03 PM
^ do you really need actual provisions and laws to know the difference between what is racial discrimination and what is not?
there is such a thing called COMMON SENSE.

what is really your point and your alternative solution? aside from getting the kick out of pure word play.....

MonL
03-28-2012, 03:02 PM
I don't have to read the definition of racial discrimination on the site you cited..

And that is why we have this endless loop that's going nowhere.

Read.

Lions_craze
03-28-2012, 03:43 PM
On the contrary, PBA allows foreign players as imports. The restriction is only for one conference which is the "Philippine Cup" that's why it's not 100% accurate to say that foreigners are not allowed to play.

Even Alex Compton suited for welcoat before as one of its import. So, if the question is, can Alex Compton play in the PBA? Answer is Yes, but as an import.

Raising the GAB accreditation is not very valid because GAB requires accreditation of professional players even if you are a Filipino..it is as if saying that it is discriminatory to obtain Visas in order to work in other countries?

admiral thrawn
03-28-2012, 08:52 PM
Please quote me the exact provisions in your mentioned laws/treaties that applies to your argument so i would agree and support you in your crusade..


I've given you the link but until now you refuse to open it.

Sabi nga ni sir MonL...Read! plain english naman yan eh!

admiral thrawn
03-28-2012, 09:05 PM
apart from the general treaty on eradication of racial discrimination the United Nation also enacted a convention..of which the Philippines is one of its signatory provides the following:

International Convention against Apartheid in Sports
Adopted and opened for signature and ratification by General Assembly resolution 40/64 of 10 December 1985

The States Parties to the present Convention,

Recalling the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, in which all Members pledged themselves to take joint and separate action, in co-operation with the Organization, for the achievement of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,



Considering that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights proclaims that all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights and that everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in the Declaration without distinction of any kind, particularly in regard to race, colour or national origin,



Observing that, in accordance with the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, States Parties to that Convention particularly condemn racial segregation and apar­theid and undertake to prevent, prohibit and eradicate all practices of this nature in all fields,



Observing that the General Assembly of the United Nations has adopted a number of resolutions condemning the practice of apartheid in sports and has affirmed its unqualified support for the Olympic principle that no discrimination be allowed on the grounds of race, religion or political affiliation and that merit should be the sole criterion for participation in sports activities,



Considering that the International Declaration against Apartheid in Sports, which was adopted by the General Assembly on 14 December 1977, solemnly affirms the necessity for the speedy elimination of apartheid in sports,



Recalling the provisions of the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid and recognizing, in particular, that participation in sports exchanges with teams selected on the basis of apartheid directly abets and encourages the commission of the crime of apartheid, as defined in that Convention,



Resolved to adopt all necessary measures to eradicate the practice of apartheid in sports and to promote international sports contacts based on the Olympic principle,



Recognizing that sports contact with any country practising apartheid in sports condones and strengthens apartheid in violation of the Olympic principle and thereby becomes the legitimate concern of all Governments,



Desiring to implement the principles embodied in the International Declaration against Apartheid in Sports and to secure the earliest adoption of practical measures to that end,



Convinced that the adoption of an International Convention against Apartheid in Sports would result in more effective measures at the international and national levels, with a view to eliminating apartheid in sports,



Have agreed as follows:

Article 1

For the purposes of the present Convention:

(a) The expression "apartheid" shall mean a system of institutionalized racial segregation and discrimination for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over another racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them, such as that pursued by South Africa, and "apartheid in sports" shall mean the application of the policies and practices of such a system in sports activities, whether organized on a professional or an amateur basis;

(b) The expression "national sports facilities" shall mean any sports facility operated within the framework of a sports programme conducted under the auspices of a national government;

(c) The expression "Olympic principle" shall mean the principle that no discrimination be allowed on the grounds of race, religion or political affiliation;

(d) The expression "sports contracts" shall mean any contract concluded for the organization, promotion, performance or derivative rights, including servicing, of any sports activity;

(e) The expression "sports bodies" shall mean any organization constituted to organize sports activities at the national level, including national Olympic committees, national sports federations or national governing sports committees;

(f) The expression "team" shall mean a group of sportsmen organized for the purpose of participating in sports activities in competition with other such organized groups;

(g) The expression "sportsmen" shall mean men and women who participate in sports activities on an individual or team basis, as well as managers, coaches, trainers and other officials whose functions are essential for the operation of a team.

Article 2

States Parties strongly condemn apartheid and undertake to pursue immediately by all appropriate means the policy of eliminating the practice of apartheid in all its forms from sports.

Article 3

States Parties shall not permit sports contact with a country practising apartheid and shall take appropriate action to ensure that their sports bodies, teams, and individual sportsmen do not have such contact.

Article 4

States Parties shall take all possible measures to prevent sports contact with a country practising apartheid and shall ensure that effective means exist for bringing about compliance with such measures.

Article 5

States Parties shall refuse to provide financial or other assistance to enable their sports bodies, teams and individual sports­men to participate in sports activities in a country practising apartheid or with teams or individual sportsmen selected on the basis of apartheid.

Article 6

Each State Party shall take appropriate action against its sports bodies, teams and individual sportsmen that participate in sports activities in a country practising apartheid or with teams representing a country practising apartheid, which in particular shall include:

(a) Refusal to provide financial or other assistance for any purpose to such sports bodies, teams and individual sportsmen;

(b) Restriction of access to national sports facilities by such sports bodies, teams and individual sportsmen;

(c) Non-enforceability of all sports contracts which involve sports activities in a country practising apartheid or with teams or individual sportsmen selected on the basis of apartheid;

(d) Denial and withdrawal of national honours or awards in sports to such teams and individual sportsmen;

(e) Denial of official receptions in honour of such teams or sportsmen.

Article 7

States Parties shall deny visas and/or entry to representatives of sports bodies, teams and individual sportsmen representing a country practising apartheid.

Article 8

States Parties shall take all appropriate action to secure the expulsion of a country practising apartheid from international and regional sports bodies.

Article 9

States Parties shall take all appropriate measures to prevent international sports bodies from imposing financial or other penalties on affiliated bodies which, in accordance with United Nations resolutions, the provisions of the present Convention and the spirit of the Olympic principle, refuse to participate in sports with a country practising apartheid.

Article 10

1. States Parties shall use their best endeavours to ensure universal compliance with the Olympic principles of non-discrimination and the provisions of the present Convention.

2. Towards this end, States Parties shall prohibit entry into their countries of members of teams and individual sportsmen participating or who have participated in sports competitions in South Africa and shall prohibit entry into their countries of representatives of sports bodies, members of teams and individual sportsmen who invite on their own initiative sports bodies, teams and sportsmen officially representing a country practising apartheid and participating under its flag. States Parties may also prohibit entry of representatives of sports bodies, members of teams or individual sportsmen who maintain sports contacts with sports bodies, teams or sportsmen representing a country practising apartheid and participating under its flag. Prohibition of entry should not violate the regulations of the relevant sports federations which support the elimination of apartheid in sports and shall apply only to participation in sports activities.

3. States Parties shall advise their national representatives to international sports federations to take all possible and practical steps to prevent the participation of the sports bodies, teams and sportsmen referred to in paragraph 2 above in international sports competitions and shall, through their representatives in international sports organizations, take every possible measure:

(a) To ensure the expulsion of South Africa from all federations in which it still holds membership as well as to deny South Africa reinstatement to membership in any federation from which it has been expelled;

(b) In case of national federations condoning sports exchanges with a country practising apartheid, to impose sanctions against such national federations including, if necessary, expulsion from the relevant international sports organization and exclusion of their representatives from participation in international sports competitions.

4. In cases of flagrant violations of the provisions of the present Convention, States Parties shall take appropriate action as they deem fit, including, where necessary, steps aimed at the exclusion of the responsible national sports governing bodies, national sports federations or sportsmen of the countries concerned from international sports competition.

5. The provisions of the present article relating specifically to South Africa shall cease to apply when the system of apartheid is abolished in that country.

Article 11

1. There shall be established a Commission against Apartheid in Sports (hereinafter referred to as "the Commission") consisting of fifteen members of high moral character and committed to the struggle against apartheid, particular attention being paid to participation of persons having experience in sports administration, elected by the States Parties from among their nationals, having regard to the most equitable geographical distribution and the representation of the principal legal systems.

2. The members of the Commission shall be elected by secret ballot from a list of persons nominated by the States Parties. Each State Party may nominate one person from among its own nationals.

3. The initial election shall be held six months after the date of the entry into force of the present Convention. At least three months before the date of each election, the Secretary-General of the United Nations shall address a letter to the States Parties inviting them to submit their nominations within two months. The Secretary-General shall prepare a list in alphabetical order of all persons thus nominated, indicating the States Parties which have nominated them, and shall submit it to the States Parties.

4. Elections of the members of the Commission shall be held at a meeting of States Parties convened by the ecretary-General at United Nations Headquarters. At that meeting, for which two thirds of the States Parties shall constitute a quorum, the persons elected to the Commission shall be those nominees who obtain the largest number of votes and an absolute majority of the votes of the representatives of States Parties present and voting.

5. The members of the Commission shall be elected for a term of four years. However, the terms of nine of the members elected at the first election shall expire at the end of two years; immediately after the first election, the names of these nine members shall be chosen by lot by the Chairman of the Commission.

6. For the filling of casual vacancies, the State Party whose national has ceased to function as a member of the Commission shall appoint another person from among its nationals, subject to the approval of the Commission.

7. States Parties shall be responsible for the expenses of the members of the Commission while they are in performance of Commission duties.

Article 12

1. States Parties undertake to submit to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, for consideration by the Commission, a report on the legislative, judicial, administrative or other measures which they have adopted to give effect to the provisions of the present Convention within one year of its entry into force and thereafter every two years. The Commission may request further information from the States Parties.

2. The Commission shall report annually through the Secretary General to the General Assembly of the United Nations on its activities and may make suggestions and general recommendations based on the examination of the reports and information received from the States Parties. Such suggestions and recommendations shall be reported to the General Assembly together with comments, if any, from States Parties concerned.

3. The Commission shall examine, in particular, the implementation of the provisions of article 10 of the present Convention and make recommendations on action to be undertaken.

4. A meeting of States Parties shall be convened by the Secretary-General at the request of a majority of the States Parties to consider further action with respect to the implementation of the provisions of article 10 of the present Convention. In cases of flagrant violation of the provisions of the present Convention, a meeting of States Parties shall be convened by the Secretary-General at the request of the Commission.

Article 13

1. Any State Party may at any time declare that it recognizes the competence of the Commission to receive and examine complaints concerning breaches of the provisions of the present Convention submitted by States Parties which have also made such a declaration. The Commission may decide on the appropriate measures to be taken in respect of breaches.

2. States Parties against which a complaint has been made, in accordance with paragraph 1 of the present article, shall be entitled to be represented and take part in the proceedings of the Commission.

Article 14

1. The Commission shall meet at least once a year.

2. The Commission shall adopt its own rules of procedure.

3. The secretariat of the Commission shall be provided by the Secretary-General of the United Nations.

4. The meetings of the Commission shall normally be held at United Nations Headquarters.

5. The Secretary-General shall convene the initial meeting of the Commission.

Article 15

The Secretary-General of the United Nations shall be the depositary of the present Convention.

Article 16

1. The present Convention shall be open for signature at United Nations Headquarters by all States until its entry into force.

2. The present Convention shall be subject to ratification, acceptance or approval by the signatory States.

Article 17

The present Convention shall be open for accession by all States.

Article 18

1. The present Convention shall enter into force on the thirtieth day after the date of deposit with the Secretary-General of the United Nations of the twenty-seventh instrument of ratification, acceptance, approval or accession.

2. For each State ratifying, accepting, approving or acceding to the present Convention after its entry into force, the Convention shall enter into force on the thirtieth day after the date of deposit of the relevant instrument.

Article 19

Any dispute between States Parties arising out of the interpretation, application or implementation of the present Convention which is not settled by negotiation shall be brought before the International Court of Justice at the request and with the mutual consent of the States Parties to the dispute, save where the Parties to the dispute have agreed on some other form of settlement.

Article 20

1. Any State Party may propose an amendment or revision to the present Convention and file it with the depositary. The Secretary-General of the United Nations shall thereupon communicate the proposed amendment or revision to the States Parties with a request that they notify him whether they favour a conference of States Parties for the purpose of considering and voting upon the proposal. In the event that at least one third of the States Parties favour such a conference, the Secretary-General shall convene the conference under the auspices of the United Nations. Any amendment or revision adopted by the majority of the States Parties present and voting at the conference shall be submitted to the General Assembly of the United Nations for approval.

2. Amendments or revisions shall come into force when they have been approved by the General Assembly and accepted by a two-thirds majority of the States Parties, in accordance with their respective constitutional processes.

3. When amendments or revisions come into force, they shall be binding on those States Parties which have accepted them, other States Parties still being bound by the provisions of the present Convention and any earlier amendment or revision which they have accepted.

Article 21

A State Party may withdraw from the present Convention by written notification to the depositary. Such withdrawal shall take effect one year after the date of receipt of the notification by the depositary.

Article 22

danny
03-28-2012, 10:03 PM
He is racist and he doesn't even know it. Poor fellow.

danny
03-29-2012, 03:33 AM
If we go by their logic, these Filipino's should simply go home and stop the nonsense. They are not being discriminated. It is the rule that you cannot become a Permanent Resident of hong Kong if you are not Chinese or whatever....

Pinayagan na nga kayong magtrabaho, gusto niyo pang maging permanent resident sa Hong Kong. Ano kayo hilo?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMZ_SYrSg9J9C6bNnCgWFilWUCQVVbR pDDWC-SZ2f9khMAgL0v


IN COLLEGIATE SPORTS, THE PHILIPPINE NCAA IS THE LEADING THE WAY WITH REGARDS TO RACISM! NUMERO UNO ,POR DIYOS POR SANTO! WAY TO GO RACIST NCAA! MAY YOUR TRIBE DISAPPEAR. :D

danny
03-29-2012, 03:49 AM
^^^

But because of their persistentence, mukhang may laban ang mga Pinoy sa Hong Kong....

http://www.mb.com.ph/node/336185/pinay-dh-win

Basahin mo a pakikibaka nga mga kababayan natin sa Hong Kong laban sa diskriminasyon.


NCAA? RACIST TO THE BONE!

LION
03-29-2012, 03:17 PM
^^^

But because of their persistentence, mukhang may laban ang mga Pinoy sa Hong Kong....

http://www.mb.com.ph/node/336185/pinay-dh-win

Basahin mo a pakikibaka nga mga kababayan natin sa Hong Kong laban sa diskriminasyon.


NCAA? RACIST TO THE BONE!


What????? Persistent ang mga pinoy sa HK? Hindi naman discriminatory yun a. Buti pa ang mga aso di umaangal at alam nilang wala naman discrimination dun. Good dogs!!!! Now sit!!!!! Play dead!!!!

paul0220
03-29-2012, 06:28 PM
apart from the general treaty on eradication of racial discrimination the United Nation also enacted a convention..of which the Philippines is one of its signatory provides the following:

International Convention against Apartheid in Sports
Adopted and opened for signature and ratification by General Assembly resolution 40/64 of 10 December 1985

The States Parties to the present Convention,

Recalling the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, in which all Members pledged themselves to take joint and separate action, in co-operation with the Organization, for the achievement of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,



Considering that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights proclaims that all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights and that everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in the Declaration without distinction of any kind, particularly in regard to race, colour or national origin,



Observing that, in accordance with the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, States Parties to that Convention particularly condemn racial segregation and apar*theid and undertake to prevent, prohibit and eradicate all practices of this nature in all fields,



Observing that the General Assembly of the United Nations has adopted a number of resolutions condemning the practice of apartheid in sports and has affirmed its unqualified support for the Olympic principle that no discrimination be allowed on the grounds of race, religion or political affiliation and that merit should be the sole criterion for participation in sports activities,



Considering that the International Declaration against Apartheid in Sports, which was adopted by the General Assembly on 14 December 1977, solemnly affirms the necessity for the speedy elimination of apartheid in sports,



Recalling the provisions of the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid and recognizing, in particular, that participation in sports exchanges with teams selected on the basis of apartheid directly abets and encourages the commission of the crime of apartheid, as defined in that Convention,



Resolved to adopt all necessary measures to eradicate the practice of apartheid in sports and to promote international sports contacts based on the Olympic principle,



Recognizing that sports contact with any country practising apartheid in sports condones and strengthens apartheid in violation of the Olympic principle and thereby becomes the legitimate concern of all Governments,



Desiring to implement the principles embodied in the International Declaration against Apartheid in Sports and to secure the earliest adoption of practical measures to that end,



Convinced that the adoption of an International Convention against Apartheid in Sports would result in more effective measures at the international and national levels, with a view to eliminating apartheid in sports,



Have agreed as follows:

Article 1

For the purposes of the present Convention:

(a) The expression "apartheid" shall mean a system of institutionalized racial segregation and discrimination for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over another racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them, such as that pursued by South Africa, and "apartheid in sports" shall mean the application of the policies and practices of such a system in sports activities, whether organized on a professional or an amateur basis;

(b) The expression "national sports facilities" shall mean any sports facility operated within the framework of a sports programme conducted under the auspices of a national government;

(c) The expression "Olympic principle" shall mean the principle that no discrimination be allowed on the grounds of race, religion or political affiliation;

(d) The expression "sports contracts" shall mean any contract concluded for the organization, promotion, performance or derivative rights, including servicing, of any sports activity;

(e) The expression "sports bodies" shall mean any organization constituted to organize sports activities at the national level, including national Olympic committees, national sports federations or national governing sports committees;

(f) The expression "team" shall mean a group of sportsmen organized for the purpose of participating in sports activities in competition with other such organized groups;

(g) The expression "sportsmen" shall mean men and women who participate in sports activities on an individual or team basis, as well as managers, coaches, trainers and other officials whose functions are essential for the operation of a team.

Article 2

States Parties strongly condemn apartheid and undertake to pursue immediately by all appropriate means the policy of eliminating the practice of apartheid in all its forms from sports.

Article 3

States Parties shall not permit sports contact with a country practising apartheid and shall take appropriate action to ensure that their sports bodies, teams, and individual sportsmen do not have such contact.

Article 4

States Parties shall take all possible measures to prevent sports contact with a country practising apartheid and shall ensure that effective means exist for bringing about compliance with such measures.

Article 5

States Parties shall refuse to provide financial or other assistance to enable their sports bodies, teams and individual sports*men to participate in sports activities in a country practising apartheid or with teams or individual sportsmen selected on the basis of apartheid.

Article 6

Each State Party shall take appropriate action against its sports bodies, teams and individual sportsmen that participate in sports activities in a country practising apartheid or with teams representing a country practising apartheid, which in particular shall include:

(a) Refusal to provide financial or other assistance for any purpose to such sports bodies, teams and individual sportsmen;

(b) Restriction of access to national sports facilities by such sports bodies, teams and individual sportsmen;

(c) Non-enforceability of all sports contracts which involve sports activities in a country practising apartheid or with teams or individual sportsmen selected on the basis of apartheid;

(d) Denial and withdrawal of national honours or awards in sports to such teams and individual sportsmen;

(e) Denial of official receptions in honour of such teams or sportsmen.

Article 7

States Parties shall deny visas and/or entry to representatives of sports bodies, teams and individual sportsmen representing a country practising apartheid.

Article 8

States Parties shall take all appropriate action to secure the expulsion of a country practising apartheid from international and regional sports bodies.

Article 9

States Parties shall take all appropriate measures to prevent international sports bodies from imposing financial or other penalties on affiliated bodies which, in accordance with United Nations resolutions, the provisions of the present Convention and the spirit of the Olympic principle, refuse to participate in sports with a country practising apartheid.

Article 10

1. States Parties shall use their best endeavours to ensure universal compliance with the Olympic principles of non-discrimination and the provisions of the present Convention.

2. Towards this end, States Parties shall prohibit entry into their countries of members of teams and individual sportsmen participating or who have participated in sports competitions in South Africa and shall prohibit entry into their countries of representatives of sports bodies, members of teams and individual sportsmen who invite on their own initiative sports bodies, teams and sportsmen officially representing a country practising apartheid and participating under its flag. States Parties may also prohibit entry of representatives of sports bodies, members of teams or individual sportsmen who maintain sports contacts with sports bodies, teams or sportsmen representing a country practising apartheid and participating under its flag. Prohibition of entry should not violate the regulations of the relevant sports federations which support the elimination of apartheid in sports and shall apply only to participation in sports activities.

3. States Parties shall advise their national representatives to international sports federations to take all possible and practical steps to prevent the participation of the sports bodies, teams and sportsmen referred to in paragraph 2 above in international sports competitions and shall, through their representatives in international sports organizations, take every possible measure:

(a) To ensure the expulsion of South Africa from all federations in which it still holds membership as well as to deny South Africa reinstatement to membership in any federation from which it has been expelled;

(b) In case of national federations condoning sports exchanges with a country practising apartheid, to impose sanctions against such national federations including, if necessary, expulsion from the relevant international sports organization and exclusion of their representatives from participation in international sports competitions.

4. In cases of flagrant violations of the provisions of the present Convention, States Parties shall take appropriate action as they deem fit, including, where necessary, steps aimed at the exclusion of the responsible national sports governing bodies, national sports federations or sportsmen of the countries concerned from international sports competition.

5. The provisions of the present article relating specifically to South Africa shall cease to apply when the system of apartheid is abolished in that country.

Article 11

1. There shall be established a Commission against Apartheid in Sports (hereinafter referred to as "the Commission") consisting of fifteen members of high moral character and committed to the struggle against apartheid, particular attention being paid to participation of persons having experience in sports administration, elected by the States Parties from among their nationals, having regard to the most equitable geographical distribution and the representation of the principal legal systems.

2. The members of the Commission shall be elected by secret ballot from a list of persons nominated by the States Parties. Each State Party may nominate one person from among its own nationals.

3. The initial election shall be held six months after the date of the entry into force of the present Convention. At least three months before the date of each election, the Secretary-General of the United Nations shall address a letter to the States Parties inviting them to submit their nominations within two months. The Secretary-General shall prepare a list in alphabetical order of all persons thus nominated, indicating the States Parties which have nominated them, and shall submit it to the States Parties.

4. Elections of the members of the Commission shall be held at a meeting of States Parties convened by the ecretary-General at United Nations Headquarters. At that meeting, for which two thirds of the States Parties shall constitute a quorum, the persons elected to the Commission shall be those nominees who obtain the largest number of votes and an absolute majority of the votes of the representatives of States Parties present and voting.

5. The members of the Commission shall be elected for a term of four years. However, the terms of nine of the members elected at the first election shall expire at the end of two years; immediately after the first election, the names of these nine members shall be chosen by lot by the Chairman of the Commission.

6. For the filling of casual vacancies, the State Party whose national has ceased to function as a member of the Commission shall appoint another person from among its nationals, subject to the approval of the Commission.

7. States Parties shall be responsible for the expenses of the members of the Commission while they are in performance of Commission duties.

Article 12

1. States Parties undertake to submit to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, for consideration by the Commission, a report on the legislative, judicial, administrative or other measures which they have adopted to give effect to the provisions of the present Convention within one year of its entry into force and thereafter every two years. The Commission may request further information from the States Parties.

2. The Commission shall report annually through the Secretary General to the General Assembly of the United Nations on its activities and may make suggestions and general recommendations based on the examination of the reports and information received from the States Parties. Such suggestions and recommendations shall be reported to the General Assembly together with comments, if any, from States Parties concerned.

3. The Commission shall examine, in particular, the implementation of the provisions of article 10 of the present Convention and make recommendations on action to be undertaken.

4. A meeting of States Parties shall be convened by the Secretary-General at the request of a majority of the States Parties to consider further action with respect to the implementation of the provisions of article 10 of the present Convention. In cases of flagrant violation of the provisions of the present Convention, a meeting of States Parties shall be convened by the Secretary-General at the request of the Commission.

Article 13

1. Any State Party may at any time declare that it recognizes the competence of the Commission to receive and examine complaints concerning breaches of the provisions of the present Convention submitted by States Parties which have also made such a declaration. The Commission may decide on the appropriate measures to be taken in respect of breaches.

2. States Parties against which a complaint has been made, in accordance with paragraph 1 of the present article, shall be entitled to be represented and take part in the proceedings of the Commission.

Article 14

1. The Commission shall meet at least once a year.

2. The Commission shall adopt its own rules of procedure.

3. The secretariat of the Commission shall be provided by the Secretary-General of the United Nations.

4. The meetings of the Commission shall normally be held at United Nations Headquarters.

5. The Secretary-General shall convene the initial meeting of the Commission.

Article 15

The Secretary-General of the United Nations shall be the depositary of the present Convention.

Article 16

1. The present Convention shall be open for signature at United Nations Headquarters by all States until its entry into force.

2. The present Convention shall be subject to ratification, acceptance or approval by the signatory States.

Article 17

The present Convention shall be open for accession by all States.

Article 18

1. The present Convention shall enter into force on the thirtieth day after the date of deposit with the Secretary-General of the United Nations of the twenty-seventh instrument of ratification, acceptance, approval or accession.

2. For each State ratifying, accepting, approving or acceding to the present Convention after its entry into force, the Convention shall enter into force on the thirtieth day after the date of deposit of the relevant instrument.

Article 19

Any dispute between States Parties arising out of the interpretation, application or implementation of the present Convention which is not settled by negotiation shall be brought before the International Court of Justice at the request and with the mutual consent of the States Parties to the dispute, save where the Parties to the dispute have agreed on some other form of settlement.

Article 20

1. Any State Party may propose an amendment or revision to the present Convention and file it with the depositary. The Secretary-General of the United Nations shall thereupon communicate the proposed amendment or revision to the States Parties with a request that they notify him whether they favour a conference of States Parties for the purpose of considering and voting upon the proposal. In the event that at least one third of the States Parties favour such a conference, the Secretary-General shall convene the conference under the auspices of the United Nations. Any amendment or revision adopted by the majority of the States Parties present and voting at the conference shall be submitted to the General Assembly of the United Nations for approval.

2. Amendments or revisions shall come into force when they have been approved by the General Assembly and accepted by a two-thirds majority of the States Parties, in accordance with their respective constitutional processes.

3. When amendments or revisions come into force, they shall be binding on those States Parties which have accepted them, other States Parties still being bound by the provisions of the present Convention and any earlier amendment or revision which they have accepted.

Article 21

A State Party may withdraw from the present Convention by written notification to the depositary. Such withdrawal shall take effect one year after the date of receipt of the notification by the depositary.

Article 22


It only deals with international competition where all races may participate and does not particular apply to a national competition where an organization can limit participation only to locals.. what would apply in the case of the NCAA is if we won't allow a particular ethnic group, like not allowing an Igorot athlete.. that is discrimination.. If you organize an international basketball competition and you would specifically set a rule not allowing Chinese players then that's racial discrimination..

kerouac82
03-29-2012, 10:47 PM
]It only deals with international competition where all races may participate and does not particular apply to a national competition where an organization can limit participation only to locals.. what would apply in the case of the NCAA is if we won't allow a particular ethnic group, like not allowing an Igorot athlete.. that is discrimination.. If you organize an international basketball competition and you would specifically set a rule not allowing Chinese players then that's racial discrimination..


What is the difference between "no Igorots allowed" and "no foreigners allowed"? In both cases, there is an exclusion. The only difference is that in the former, a fellow Filipino is excluded; in the latter, entire ethnic groups (in this case, non-Filipinos) are excluded. Which is basically the same thing. Discrimination through and through.

demonyito
03-30-2012, 12:46 AM
Paul0220 has a valid argument. He's (i'm assuming you're a guy given your username) just not able to explain it well.

Paulo220, try to be less incendiary and pick up from your basic premise that playing for the NCAA or any other league in the Philippines is not a fundamental right inherent to any foreign player. I'm certain the position you've taken shall contribute significantly to this lively and insightful discussion. ;)

PAX!

UIOGD
AMDG

danny
03-30-2012, 03:59 AM
Will it may everyone feel better to call the non-inclusion of foreigners as the No Foreigners Allowed rather than Racial Discrimination.

Will you feel better if the said rule will be found valid even if reached the Supreme Court?

In essence it will still be RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, albeit legally sanctioned. Since it will be legally sanctioned the good society will not call it for what it is. It will simply refer to it as another provision in the long list of legal rules. ;)

Now here's come the problem. Paul would like to convince us that that if it is legal, the it is not racial discrimination.

Ika nga ni Uncle Sam. There was no war in Libya. It was a Humanitarian Intervention. :D

danny
03-30-2012, 04:05 AM
Think about the PURE ARYAN RACE of Hitler's German. Everyone except for the "Aryans" were forced out of the country. So I guess the Nazis were not practicing racial discrimination. But they were just following the rules they established for themselves, right? It is not the non-Aryan's FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO STAY IN GERMANY.

Parang NCAA lang yan. Hindi ka Pilipino, bawal kang maglaro.

It will only be RACIAL DISCRIMINATION if the NCAA will rule that no Nigerians are allowed to play. The Caucasians are OK.

Fundamental rights are not static. If we humans have to way to change what is termed by the state as fundamental rights to favor a the wider humanity, we should.

If we limit ourselves to the definition set by the state, then the status quo will always remain.

Legal Myopia. This is were the supporters of this rule would like us to dwell just in case they can legally defend their stand.

Apratheid was legal. Remember?

LION
03-30-2012, 09:58 AM
It is discrimination.

Bona fide students of NCAA schools, whether Filipino citizens or foreigners, who comply with the academic requirements of the NCAA can represent their respective schools.

Bona fide foreign students who comply with all requirements can represent their respective schools. To ban them from representing their school just because they are foreigners is discrimination, pure and simple.

If Filipinos were banned from using public restrooms, eating in restaurants, etc., by public or private establishments in the US, HK, Europe, the Middle East, is that discrimination or not? In the case of private establishments (like the NCAA, private restaurants, privately operated rest rooms, etc), surely they are entitled to set up their own rules right? So if they decide to exclude or ban foreigners, that is not discrimination, right?

danny
03-30-2012, 10:11 AM
A discriminatory rule does not make it non-discriminatory simply because the NCAA can set those rules. That is assuming already that they are allowed to discriminate..o ayan, pinagbigyan ko na nga na pwede silang mag-discriminate.

Just because you are allowed to legally discriminate does not change the nature of the discrimination.

Ano pa bang malabo diyan. :D

MonL
03-30-2012, 12:00 PM
Look for the phonetics of the defunct South African segregation policy "Apartheid" in Afrikaans and you get something close to:

"Apart-Hate."

http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=apartheid&submit=Submit

May this never prosper here.

LION
03-30-2012, 02:11 PM
A discriminatory rule does not make it non-discriminatory simply because the NCAA can set those rules. That is assuming already that they are allowed to discriminate..o ayan, pinagbigyan ko na nga na pwede silang mag-discriminate.

Just because you are allowed to legally discriminate does not change the nature of the discrimination.

Ano pa bang malabo diyan. :D

Am already making it sarcastic at baka sakaling maintindihan pare. 😁

Stardust
03-30-2012, 06:34 PM
Brethren, all in GF know what discrimination means. The supporters of the proponents will never cease in convincing the public that they are right. We have stated our position well and its moral basis will never be tarnished. Let's move on. The level-headed netizen here know.

Joescoundrel
04-25-2012, 06:57 AM
Has this already been carried out by the NCAA Board or pag-uusapan pa?

Joescoundrel
04-25-2012, 06:59 AM
By the way, I'm too lazy to back-read, does this include players with Filipino lineage but who come from overseas, i.e. Filipino-Americans, Filipino-Australians, etc...? Or only to those who have not a drop of Filipino blood in them?

And will this apply to the flagship men's basketball tournament only, or the entire NCAA...?

MonL
04-25-2012, 02:51 PM
Mr. Joe, this stupid policy takes effect in 2014. It affects only players with no Filipino lineage. Fil-Fors can still play.

TheHellboy
04-25-2012, 07:35 PM
Funny. To think, this idea came from a priest?... ;)

danny
04-26-2012, 04:02 AM
^^^ Guess what?

The expulsion of the Jews from Spain via the Edict of Expulsion was primarily perpetrated by priests in 1492. Then came the Spanish Inquisition. Lana's Dominican Order was the major player of the INQUISITION.

He is just being historical about the situation. Modern day inquisition with a slight non-religious twist.

Sam Miguel
04-26-2012, 08:43 AM
Mr. Joe, this stupid policy takes effect in 2014. It affects only players with no Filipino lineage. Fil-Fors can still play.

My frind, I take it this does not include guys like Ola who are already enrolled and have served residency? Meaning Ola can still play beyond 2012?

animo
04-27-2012, 10:42 AM
^^
absolutely.

scbprexy98
02-27-2013, 10:52 PM
Beijing restaurant bans Pinoys
http://interaksyon.com/article/56004/beijing-restaurant-bans-pinoys-vietnamese-japanese---and-dogs

Galit naman pala ang mga pinoy sa racism, bakit laganap ito sa ncaa? :(

Ahura Mazda
06-26-2013, 09:22 PM
Foreign players a vanishing breed in NCAA as new rule set to take effect (http://www.spin.ph/sports/basketball/special-reports/foreign-players-a-vanishing-breed-in-ncaa-as-new-rule-set-to-take-effect-v02)

THERE could be no more imports in the NCAA five years from now.

That is the time frame estimated by the NCAA management committee as the country’s oldest collegiate league enters the final season where member schools will be allowed to recruit foreign players.

Last year, the NCAA policy board approved the proposal to disallow member schools from recruiting foreign players for their teams, the new rule taking effect beginning next season.

The UAAP also allows foreigners to suit up for its member teams and has yet to entertain any move to stop it.

Under the rule, foreign players must be enrolled in an NCAA school by this academic year to be eligible, with the school having the option to field its recruit after two years of residency.

“So without really looking at the details, let’s give or take five years,” Jose Rizal University mancom representative and athletic director Paul Supan said.

San Beda started the recruitment trend in 2006 when the Mendiola-based school tapped Nigerian slotman Sam Ekwe, who helped the Lions bag three straight men’s basketball titles from 2006. Numerous imports have come and gone since then.

The arrival of foreign players, mostly from Africa, has drawn mixed opinions — some see the benefits in the improved level of competition, but others consider it a threat to local athletes.

“I think one of the advantages of having foreign players is the level of competition tumaas kasi Filipino players will be pushed,” mancom chair Dax Castellano of College of St. Benilde said.

“When Ekwe came in, parang lahat ng players pag si Ekwe nakakaharap, parang in awe, may intimidating factor kaagad eh. However, now, kung kailan dumami ang imports, parang ordinaryo na lang. Nawala na yung awe na feeling,” Supan said.

There are six foreign players in the league roster this season: Ola Adeogun of San Beda, Aziz Mbomiko of Lyceum, Cedric Happi Noube and Jean Jacques Hiole Manga of Emilio Aguinaldo College, and Femi Babayemi and Nosa Omorogbe of University of Perpetual Help.

Sam Miguel
07-02-2013, 09:17 AM
^^^ So does that mean no more Thai imports in women's volleyball?

No more African and Korean imports for men's football?

Boy oh boy.

I can hardly wait to hear of the reactions of foreign students wanting to play varsity sports. I'm sure they will have plenty of negative comments on their Facebook, in their e-mails to home, maybe even on phone calls.

Nice going, NCAA.