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07-22-2010, 12:41 AM
Is NCAA losing perspective?
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin Henson (The Philippine Star) Updated July 22, 2010 12:00 AM

Is there more than meets the eye in the way that the NCAA Management Committee swooped down on two University of Perpetual Help senior varsity basketball players and declared them ineligible this season?

Turning a blind eye to what appear to be logical arguments by Perpetual Help internal director for athletics Moises Lozada, the ManCom ruled that 6-3 1/2 Marlon Gomez lacks residency to play this schoolyear and 6-4 Paul Nuilan is guilty of misrepresentation, opening the door for a permanent ban.

The ManCom’s decision has wreaked havoc on Perpetual’s basketball program. Without two frontline starters, the Altas has gotten off to a woeful 0-4 start. Last July 16, Perpetual lost a 78-62 decision to Jose Rizal University for its fourth straight setback. Yesterday, the Altas faced Arellano in a bid to end the winless streak.

More than the blow on Perpetual’s title hopes, the decision has cast serious doubts on the integrity of Gomez and Nuilan, jeopardizing their dreams of someday making basketball a career. You wonder if the ManCom is even aware of the damage it has done to the lives of these two young men.

The ManCom decision was handed down two days before the start of the NCAA season so you can imagine how it affected the morale of coach Boris Aldeguer and the Altas.



In the preseason, Perpetual looked like a legitimate championship contender after victimizing Letran, National University, La Salle and Emilio Aguinaldo, among others. In the Father Martin Cup, Perpetual advanced to the semifinals and bowed to powerhouse Ateneo on a desperation triple by Kirk Long at the buzzer. That’s how formidable Aldeguer transformed his rag-tag squad with Gomez and Nuilan at the forefront.

Perhaps, Perpetual’s strong preseason showing alarmed some segments of the NCAA community and brought about a witch-hunt that “uncovered” certain “illusory” findings leading to a hatchet job.

* * * *

Gomez was originally a student from Philippine Christian University (PCU). When PCU disbanded its basketball team, Gomez and the other varsity players tried to hook up with other schools. Gomez was recruited by then Jose Rizal coach Ariel Vanguardia and signed a conditional waiver that he would be considered an enrolee only upon submission of his transfer papers from PCU.

After a few Jose Rizal practices in the summer of 2009, Gomez advised Vanguardia that he would instead enrol at Perpetual. Vanguardia later confirmed that Gomez was never enrolled at Jose Rizal and never attended classes.

Meanwhile, Gomez joined some PCU teammates at Perpetual and was enrolled in July last year. A certified Perpetual transcript of records shows that he attended classes in the College of International Hospitality Management in the first and second semesters of 2009-10.

The ManCom initially voted to allow Gomez eligibility but reversed the decision when Jose Rizal officials submitted documents showing Gomez attended classes and even got a passing grade in elementary accounting, contrary to Vanguardia’s testimony. On the basis of the Jose Rizal papers, the ManCom decided to order another year of residency for Gomez at Perpetual before he is declared eligible.

* * * *

In Nuilan’s case, the ManCom imputed deceit. He was enrolled at FEU, playing for Team B until 2007-08. Nuilan moved to Letran in 2008-09 but never submitted his transfer papers which FEU didn’t release until May 2009. By the time Nuilan got his papers from FEU, he was long gone from Letran. It had been five months since he last attended classes at Letran when FEU released his papers. As Nuilan was being recruited by Perpetual, he submitted his FEU papers to formalize his transfer.

Nuilan has been accused of misrepresentation since he, in fact, had attended classes at Letran after FEU and before moving to Perpetual. But it is also a fact that because he didn’t get his FEU papers until May 2009, he was never officially recognized as having been enrolled at Letran despite attending classes – an anomaly that appears to be an institutional error or a deliberate oversight.

Gomez and Nuilan may have assumed certain things in processing their enrolment papers at Perpetual. Perhaps, in their eagerness to play in the NCAA, they short-cutted what is standard procedure. But I don’t think there was malicious intent to misrepresent or deceive anyone. It is on record, after all, that Gomez practiced with Jose Rizal and Nuilan attended classes at Letran.

To even consider banning Nuilan for life smacks of a heartless attitude towards young men aspiring to make something out of their lives through a sports career. Shouldn’t these young men be given the benefit of the doubt?

It would be unfair to accuse the ManCom of discriminating against Perpetual in an attempt to derail the Altas’ basketball program. But from all indications, it seems that there is a concerted effort to disenfranchise Gomez and Nuilan of their right to represent their school as basketball players in the NCAA.

Gomez and Nuilan aren’t being accused of game-fixing. They’re not being accused of selling games. They may have been misguided or ill-advised and for that, they should be redirected, not chastised. Let it not be said that the NCAA ManCom has lost its perspective of giving young men the rightful opportunity to represent their schools to the best of their athletic ability with honor and pride.

gfy
07-22-2010, 03:44 AM
Some terms have to be clearly defined, not only in the NCAA but also in the UAAP. If transfer papers/docs were not officially submitted, even if the player was allowed to attend classes, is he/she considered officially enrolled? Re residency, does one count the number of years when the player left the previous school or when he officially was enrolled in the next school? Some players don't immediately enroll and take a year or two off before enrolling again.

danny
07-22-2010, 09:04 AM
Perpetual's problem?

They don't have the informal yet hardcore machinery that we Bedans have to "harass" the stupid Mancom into submission. Remember Jake? Remember Aljamal?

Joke. Joke.

Huwag naman "losing perspective". Ang lalim.

Inutil lang talaga yang ManCom na yan. The Red Cubs losing because of a missing patch ala Sam Ekwe with his uniform. That's pathetic. That's losing sanity over a puny rule. It's ok. We understand. E ano pa nga ba ang gagawin mo sa kapwa kundi intindihin na lang ang katayuan ng pag-iisip. :D


Joke. Joke.

Sam Miguel
07-22-2010, 09:49 AM
Some terms have to be clearly defined, not only in the NCAA but also in the UAAP. If transfer papers/docs were not officially submitted, even if the player was allowed to attend classes, is he/she considered officially enrolled? Re residency, does one count the number of years when the player left the previous school or when he officially was enrolled in the next school? Some players don't immediately enroll and take a year or two off before enrolling again.


To my knowledge, "enrollment" in any school is official and complete if and only if a student has submitted all the documents and other requirements necessary or required for such enrollment, i.e. a transfer student needs to submit his transcript of records and sometimes even a certificate of good moral character in order to enrol. Even if a student had attended and even completed an entire term's worth of classes, if he is not yet officially enrolled, if he has not completed submitting all his credentials and documents required for enrollment, then technically it was as if he never attended any of those classes.

Going into specifics for the case of the two players in question, some questions need specific, definite and categorical answers.

For Gomez: Was he officially enrolled in JRU during the time in question? It is one thing to attend classes, quite another to be officially enrolled. As I said, even if a student attended classes, if he were not officially enrolled, then it is as if he never attended any of those classes. In more specific terms, he had no right to be in those classes in the first place, he may as well have been a semester-long sit-in. If that Accounting professor gave him a grade, allowed him to recite and take tests, and exams, that is the professor’s negligence.

For Nuilan, a little more complex but essentially the same issue: Was he officially enrolled in Letran as a transfer student coming from FEU during the time in question? Again, even if he had attended classes and even gotten grades, if he was never officially enrolled in Letran then for all intents and purposes, the time he spent in Letran may as well have been him just hanging out inside several classrooms.

Ultimately proof of enrollment comes down to documentation. If Gomez and Nuilan had in fact perfected their enrollment, i.e. submitted all credentials and documents, paid tuition (or tuition officially waived thanks presumably to their varsity scholarships), issued the official registration form and class cards, at JRU and Letran respectively, then they do indeed have to serve out their residencies as mandated by league rules. If not however, if no such documentation can be shown, then the NCAA Man Com has just f---ed over two guys who just want to play ball.

More to the point, why the hell Perpetual, a member in presumably good standing, is allowing the league itself to f--- them over like this probably speaks more to the fear of Perpetual of incurring the wrath of the league and being suspended or banned. Say what you will but the NCAA is still a nationally-covered, big-name brand. True, it is a far far cry from what it used to be, but it’s still at the very least the second best varsity tournament in the country. Perpetual probably thought they might as well not miss out on this, and to hell with Gomez and Nuilan.

lekiboy
07-22-2010, 09:53 AM
Ultimately proof of enrollment comes down to documentation.


For me, this says it all.

Sam Miguel
07-22-2010, 09:55 AM
I am not a Boris Aldeguer fan, but even the timing of all this really sucks. Handing down this decision two days before opening day is just plain malevolence.

However, I would not go so far as Quinito has in saying this is a "blow on Perpetual's title hopes". "Perpetual's title hopes", Quinito? Really?

Even with Gomez and Nuilan on board I seriously doubt Perpetual would have gotten past JRU, never mind San Beda and San Sebastian.

Gym_Rat
07-22-2010, 10:27 AM
Has Perpetual elevated these cases to the NCAA Policy Board? They may find more reasonable people there who may listen to them. And these people have overturned spurious ManCom decisions before.

If Perpetual has not, they have done a disservice to theselves because they have not exhausted all avenues, including legal ones, to seek redress.

gallery
07-22-2010, 10:49 AM
Has Perpetual elevated these cases to the NCAA Policy Board? They may find more reasonable people there who may listen to them. And these people have overturned spurious ManCom decisions before.

If Perpetual has not, they have done a disservice to theselves because they have not exhausted all avenues, including legal ones, to seek redress.



How could they when Perpetual Mancom rep Mr. Mike Del Mundo is out to sabotaging his own team. He has done it in the past under Coach Bai's years and he is at it again. In fact it was he who made up this issues out of nothing and elevated it up to Mancom. He crucified the 2 players and ruin their dreams of playing ball at the same time destroy the reputation of the school he works for.

MonL
07-22-2010, 11:17 AM
^That's a serious accusation which has yet to be proven.

Be as it may, no one is above the institution which designated him as their representative.

What has the institution done so far to remedy the situation?

nicksy
07-22-2010, 11:44 AM
Has Perpetual elevated these cases to the NCAA Policy Board?



pls refer to

http://www.inboundpass.com/2010/07/09/policy-board-upholds-mancom-verdict-banning-perpetual-help-cagers/

bydpogi
07-22-2010, 06:55 PM
^That's a serious accusation which has yet to be proven.

Be as it may, no one is above the institution which designated him as their representative.

What has the institution done so far to remedy the situation?


this

danny
07-23-2010, 05:59 AM
http://www.ncaa.org.ph/season86/newsarticle.php?id=77

San Beda at the spotlight again for another wrong uniform protest
by NCAA Press Release
Date posted: Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 8:11 pm

The Management Committee will tackle today the protest filed by Letran over a wrong uniform worn by a San Beda player in their recent game.

Mancom chair Frank Gusi of host San Sebastian yesterday said they recently received the protest letter from Letran after Red Cub Baser Amer wore a different uniform without a log of one of the league’s sponsors. “The Mancom will convene at 9 a.m. at The Arena tomorrow (today) and we will decide on the protest by Letran,” said Gusi.

San Beda, the reigning NCAA juniors’ champion, overpowered Letran, 86-71, in a Season 86 game Wednesday although it may end up via forfeiture because of the Amer folly.

It can be recalled that San Beda’s senior team lost a game it lopsided won over St. Benilde after former Nigerian center Sam Ekwe was also caught wearing a different uniform that is lacking a certain logo that the league requires two years ago.

“There’s still no decision and the Mancom has yet to decide on it but I think there is already a precedent,” said Ato Badolato, San Beda’s former high school coach who is now the school’s athletic director.

The decision was arrived upon citing infringement on rules 6.1, 6.5 and as prescribed by rules 9.2 and 9.2.1 of the NCAA manual of operations.

Rule 6.1 and 6.5 state that “All athletes shall wear the official playing team uniform in all the games/matches of the NCAA Season” and “Any athlete whose playing uniform does not conform to the preceding rules shall be ineligible to participate in a given game/match,” respectively.

Rules 9.2 and 9.2.1, meanwhile, state “a team shall lose the game by forfeiture if and when: An ineligible athlete is field or enters the playing court with an intent play. The particular player shall be barred from further competition in any NCAA tournament. Moreover, the games with the team in which he played are automatically forfeited.”



ManCom losing it's mind...again and again and agian...


I hope the time will come when a uniform hairdo will be implemented. Police-state mentality na to! Yahooooo!! :D

gfy
07-23-2010, 06:49 AM
It is possible too that a player has committed to play for a certain school, was allowed to attend classes for several weeks pending submission of transfer papers, then changes his mind and without the least notifying the first school then goes to the second school.

danny
07-23-2010, 09:15 AM
Wait? Are you guys really taking this animal seriously?

The NCAA ManCom is not even a farce. It's just plain comedy. I don't know how long the NCAA will continue to exist.With the current trajectory, the race to the bottom is now in a secular bear market. Unstoppable.

I'm just waiting for everything to collapse, then hopefully something new will come out from the ruble. As those silly Marxists would say, that's the dialiectics of nature.

For non-Marxists, ebb and flow, cylces, karmic phenomenon, gulong ng palad. etc. etc...in short "may araw din kayo". :D

Dunk
07-23-2010, 12:51 PM
Some terms have to be clearly defined, not only in the NCAA but also in the UAAP. If transfer papers/docs were not officially submitted, even if the player was allowed to attend classes, is he/she considered officially enrolled? Re residency, does one count the number of years when the player left the previous school or when he officially was enrolled in the next school? Some players don't immediately enroll and take a year or two off before enrolling again.


To my knowledge, "enrollment" in any school is official and complete if and only if a student has submitted all the documents and other requirements necessary or required for such enrollment, i.e. a transfer student needs to submit his transcript of records and sometimes even a certificate of good moral character in order to enrol. Even if a student had attended and even completed an entire term's worth of classes, if he is not yet officially enrolled, if he has not completed submitting all his credentials and documents required for enrollment, then technically it was as if he never attended any of those classes.

Going into specifics for the case of the two players in question, some questions need specific, definite and categorical answers.

For Gomez: Was he officially enrolled in JRU during the time in question? It is one thing to attend classes, quite another to be officially enrolled. As I said, even if a student attended classes, if he were not officially enrolled, then it is as if he never attended any of those classes. In more specific terms, he had no right to be in those classes in the first place, he may as well have been a semester-long sit-in. If that Accounting professor gave him a grade, allowed him to recite and take tests, and exams, that is the professor’s negligence.

For Nuilan, a little more complex but essentially the same issue: Was he officially enrolled in Letran as a transfer student coming from FEU during the time in question? Again, even if he had attended classes and even gotten grades, if he was never officially enrolled in Letran then for all intents and purposes, the time he spent in Letran may as well have been him just hanging out inside several classrooms.

Ultimately proof of enrollment comes down to documentation. If Gomez and Nuilan had in fact perfected their enrollment, i.e. submitted all credentials and documents, paid tuition (or tuition officially waived thanks presumably to their varsity scholarships), issued the official registration form and class cards, at JRU and Letran respectively, then they do indeed have to serve out their residencies as mandated by league rules. If not however, if no such documentation can be shown, then the NCAA Man Com has just f---ed over two guys who just want to play ball.

More to the point, why the hell Perpetual, a member in presumably good standing, is allowing the league itself to f--- them over like this probably speaks more to the fear of Perpetual of incurring the wrath of the league and being suspended or banned. Say what you will but the NCAA is still a nationally-covered, big-name brand. True, it is a far far cry from what it used to be, but it’s still at the very least the second best varsity tournament in the country. Perpetual probably thought they might as well not miss out on this, and to hell with Gomez and Nuilan.



We must also consider that Quinito and Boris are both La Sallites. He is helping Boris to save his Job. CHED has also to step in since the submission of the grades by JRU should be earlier than the filing of the line-up of UPHSD. They might have submitted it late enough for the non inclusion of the player involved. Vanguardia has no power to say if a player is enrolled or no. He is merely a coach. No more no less. He also comes from La Salle so he will help Boris anytime.

Sam Miguel
07-23-2010, 02:26 PM
It is possible too that a player has committed to play for a certain school, was allowed to attend classes for several weeks pending submission of transfer papers, then changes his mind and without the least notifying the first school then goes to the second school.


This actually happens a lot, and not just in the NCAA. However, the point is still this: was there official enrollment in the cases of Gomez and Nuilan in JRU and Letran respectively? If not then they should not have to sit out a year. I also second the call of one member here that this case be elevated to the NCAA Policy Board. If Mr Del Mundo is part of the problem then Coach Boris Aldeguer can simply elevate this case formally to the Policy Board by writing a detailed letter and following up on that. He needs to have his hearing, his "day in court" as it were.

razor
07-23-2010, 02:45 PM
^
I recall reading a news article (even before this issue caught Qunito's fancy) that the eligibility issue was elevated to the NCAA Policy Board.

But during the scheduled meeting of the board to tackle the issue only the Rectors of San Beda and San Sebastian personally attended the meeting while the rest of the school heads were absent and merely instructed their MANCOM representatives to attend the meeting as proxies.

When the issue was put to vote, the MANCOM representatives in attendance (acting for and in-behalf of the absent Policy Board Member) affirmed their very own decision declaring Gomez and Nuilan ineligible for the current season! Only in the NCAA... ::)

MonL
07-23-2010, 03:42 PM
Has Perpetual elevated these cases to the NCAA Policy Board? They may find more reasonable people there who may listen to them. And these people have overturned spurious ManCom decisions before.
If Perpetual has not, they have done a disservice to theselves because they have not exhausted all avenues, including legal ones, to seek redress.





^
I recall reading a news article (even before this issue caught Qunito's fancy) that the eligibility issue was elevated to the NCAA Policy Board.

But during the scheduled meeting of the board to tackle the issue only the Rectors of San Beda and San Sebastian personally attended the meeting while the rest of the school heads were absent and merely instructed their MANCOM representatives to attend the meeting as proxies.

When the issue was put to vote, the MANCOM representatives in attendance (acting for and in-behalf of the absent Policy Board Member) affirmed their very own decision declaring Gomez and Nuilan ineligible for the current season! Only in the NCAA... ::)


How can a spurious decision be shot down under that scenario when their oversight role has been compromised and a conflict/weakness materialized? The very least that should have been done was to move the meeting to another date. Is there a consolation of sorts in that there may have been at least one dissenting vote in that viper pit? Nada. Majority won in a flawed exercise. :P

LION
07-23-2010, 04:07 PM
Has Perpetual elevated these cases to the NCAA Policy Board? They may find more reasonable people there who may listen to them. And these people have overturned spurious ManCom decisions before.
If Perpetual has not, they have done a disservice to theselves because they have not exhausted all avenues, including legal ones, to seek redress.





^
I recall reading a news article (even before this issue caught Qunito's fancy) that the eligibility issue was elevated to the NCAA Policy Board.

But during the scheduled meeting of the board to tackle the issue only the Rectors of San Beda and San Sebastian personally attended the meeting while the rest of the school heads were absent and merely instructed their MANCOM representatives to attend the meeting as proxies.

When the issue was put to vote, the MANCOM representatives in attendance (acting for and in-behalf of the absent Policy Board Member) affirmed their very own decision declaring Gomez and Nuilan ineligible for the current season! Only in the NCAA... ::)


How can a spurious decision be shot down under that scenario when their oversight role has been compromised and a conflict/weakness materialized? The very least that should have been done was to move the meeting to another date. Is there a consolation of sorts in that there may have been at least one dissenting vote in that viper pit? Nada. Majority won in a flawed exercise. :P


With the disqualifications, sinong team/s ba ang makikinabang? Di ba Letran at JRU? The very same schools who moved for the disqualification of the said players. Before the start of the NCAA season, Perpetual was a strong Final 4 contender and there was a high probability that Letran and JRU might fail to make the Final 4 this year.

With Perpetual's bigs now disqualified, JRU and most especially Letran will now have a stronger chance of entering the Final 4.

MonL
07-23-2010, 04:26 PM
Has Perpetual elevated these cases to the NCAA Policy Board? They may find more reasonable people there who may listen to them. And these people have overturned spurious ManCom decisions before.
If Perpetual has not, they have done a disservice to theselves because they have not exhausted all avenues, including legal ones, to seek redress.





^
I recall reading a news article (even before this issue caught Qunito's fancy) that the eligibility issue was elevated to the NCAA Policy Board.

But during the scheduled meeting of the board to tackle the issue only the Rectors of San Beda and San Sebastian personally attended the meeting while the rest of the school heads were absent and merely instructed their MANCOM representatives to attend the meeting as proxies.

When the issue was put to vote, the MANCOM representatives in attendance (acting for and in-behalf of the absent Policy Board Member) affirmed their very own decision declaring Gomez and Nuilan ineligible for the current season! Only in the NCAA... ::)


How can a spurious decision be shot down under that scenario when their oversight role has been compromised and a conflict/weakness materialized? The very least that should have been done was to move the meeting to another date. Is there a consolation of sorts in that there may have been at least one dissenting vote in that viper pit? Nada. Majority won in a flawed exercise. :P


With the disqualifications, sinong team/s ba ang makikinabang? Di ba Letran at JRU? The very same schools who moved for the disqualification of the said players. Before the start of the NCAA season, Perpetual was a strong Final 4 contender and there was a high probability that Letran and JRU might fail to make the Final 4 this year.

With Perpetual's bigs now disqualified, JRU and most especially Letran will now have a stronger chance of entering the Final 4.




They had a chance to take the moral high ground on an ethical dilemma. Tsk. Mortals..... :P

danny
07-24-2010, 10:29 PM
Not a tragedy. Not a farce. It's freaking comedy. :D




But during the scheduled meeting of the board to tackle the issue only the Rectors of San Beda and San Sebastian personally attended the meeting while the rest of the school heads were absent and merely instructed their MANCOM representatives to attend the meeting as proxies.

When the issue was put to vote, the MANCOM representatives in attendance (acting for and in-behalf of the absent Policy Board Member) affirmed their very own decision declaring Gomez and Nuilan ineligible for the current season! Only in the NCAA...

danny
07-26-2010, 12:23 AM
ManCom reps voting in behalf of the Policy Board? No rules against that I guess. Poor Perpetual. If only you were Bedans... :)

naz-T
07-26-2010, 07:26 AM
I think what happend was a cheap shot from other schools. They should have informed Perpetual that the 2 players were ineligible to play during the summer league. Both players where visible in Perpetuals summer league tournament. Other schools should have informed them that they have proof that both guys were enrolled in their school

LION
07-26-2010, 08:13 AM
I think what happend was a cheap shot from other schools. They should have informed Perpetual that the 2 players were ineligible to play during the summer league. Both players where visible in Perpetuals summer league tournament. Other schools should have informed them that they have proof that both guys were enrolled in their school


It's because some schools are now relying on technicalities to win games.

animo
07-26-2010, 08:36 AM
i think this is similar to the case of Jake Pascual right?
pero... pumalag lang ang SBC.
just wondering if perpetual can go to court to settle this?

LION
07-26-2010, 10:02 AM
i think this is similar to the case of Jake Pascual right?
pero... pumalag lang ang SBC.
just wondering if perpetual can go to court to settle this?


In the case of Jake, we sat him for 1 year and formally presented his case to Mancom for deliberation and ruling. We did that all in good faith and to give Mancom more than sufficient time to deliberate.

Trouble was, Mancom sat on Pascual's case for the whole year and came out with their stupid decision 1 week before the start of the NCAA season. San Beda had to raise hell and storm the heavens just to make them realize how stupid their original decision was.

Joescoundrel
07-26-2010, 10:27 AM
Since Perpetual is a university maybe they should just leave the NCAA and go to the UAAP then... ;D

mighty_lion
07-26-2010, 11:53 AM
Aljamal's suspension case is not far behind. If I recall it right, Paul Suman and his cohorts hid their plans and worked for the papers secretly for weeks only to annouce the decision the on game day of SBC-JRU. :P

lekiboy
07-26-2010, 01:04 PM
Aljamal's suspension case is not far behind. If I recall it right, Paul Suman and his cohorts hid their plans and worked for the papers secretly for weeks only to annouce the decision the on game day of SBC-JRU. :P



kaya di pa nananalo ng korona for almost 40 years...KARMA..

danny
07-27-2010, 09:11 AM
Nevermind SBC's problems with ManCom.

I just hope Perpetual will do something about this. If the situation arises, I hope San Beda and the RED ARMY will support Perpetual's cause.

Ano pa ang pagiging Bedista natin kung ang walang laban tulad ng Perpetual e pababayaan. ;)

datu_pula
07-27-2010, 06:32 PM
Nevermind SBC's problems with ManCom.

I just hope Perpetual will do something about this. If the situation arises, I hope San Beda and the RED ARMY will support Perpetual's cause.

Ano pa ang pagiging Bedista natin kung ang walang laban tulad ng Perpetual e pababayaan. ;)



Last Friday morning, MANCOM convened to decide on the protest filed by Letran on Baser's uniform. SBC rep Mari Lacson was not there; they reportedly looked for him. They allegedly wanted him around, among others, in case he wanted to make an appeal. Lacson reportedly said, 'we committed an infraction...and something like 'you can proceed without me.' Lacson also knew that in case Letran did not file a protest, La Salle GH and San Sebastian would do so. MANCOM proceeded to award the game to Letran.

Later in the junior games, La Salle GH lost to JRU and San Sebastian lost to Mapua. Both also got their first losses...but on the basketball court...

admiral thrawn
07-27-2010, 06:47 PM
Nevermind SBC's problems with ManCom.

I just hope Perpetual will do something about this. If the situation arises, I hope San Beda and the RED ARMY will support Perpetual's cause.

Ano pa ang pagiging Bedista natin kung ang walang laban tulad ng Perpetual e pababayaan. ;)




Very Rene Saguisag..specially the last part!

boyscout
07-27-2010, 07:00 PM
Shouldn't the official transcript for transferees bear the name of the new school where the student/player intends to transfer?

If PCU and FEU, the original schools, gave the official transcript to Perpetual, then the accusation of JRU/Letran and the decision of Mancom should not hold. Moreover, I find it strange that a player has set of grades from two different institutions. Further investigation will surface the truth and I'm betting it's just due to Perps strong showing in the summer league that caused a ban on their players. Probably raised a few eye brows and some deemed it best to cripple the Perps team by taking out their big men.

Pinakita kaagad mga Baraha prior to the start of the NCAA yan tulo ang nagyari. Pinoy mentality at its worst.

tulf
07-27-2010, 08:49 PM
baka naman biglang payagan yun dalawa maglaro kasi SBC kasunod na kalaban.
Alam nyo na! tapos babawiin ulit after the game!

danny
07-28-2010, 02:14 PM
Perpetual should start their own witch hunt starting with...ano ba yan... lahat pala sila... except San Beda.

I'm not saying that there is such a thing as Bedan exceptionalism ala Imperial American exceptionalism. But given our unique position and reputation of impeccable integrity, I think it is but fair to say that we are legit.

Honestly, I was overly optimistic to propose among my fellow Bedans to accept the concept of San Beda being a primos inter pares in the NCAA. ManCom showed me my naivety. My utopian agenda collapsed. I'm happy!

Like many Bedans. I don't give a shit about the NCAA anymore. Our support of the Red Lions should not be construed as a support of the league. It just so happen that we are stuck here. We are using the NCAA for marketing and in-your-face-spot-the-difference contest and we in turn are being used by the NCAA and these schools(whatever) for leverage, branding and media mileage. However, this is not an equal partnership. The NCAA and these schools(whatever) are getting more than what they bargained for. This too shall pass.

Kaya kung ayaw niyong maniwala, huwag niyo kaming pansinin. Pinanggigigilan niyo kami palagi. Mabuti naman, Perpetual muna. Kailan namankaya yung mga "paaralang malilinis" ang lilinisin?

Perpetual should start a witch hunt. This will be fun.

:D :D :D

Losing perspective? Matagal nang walang perspektibo ang ligang ito. Bulag ka ba, Quinito?

The_Big_Cat
08-05-2010, 05:40 PM
How come the NCAA takes a game away from a juniors team because of a missing logo but not reprimand a player caught on national television intentionally spitting on another player? MANCOM and the commissioner, hoy gising!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWKkSFGevY

crazybedan
08-05-2010, 05:52 PM
How come the NCAA takes a game away from a juniors team because of a missing logo but not reprimand a player caught on national television intentionally spitting on another player? MANCOM and the commissioner, hoy gising!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWKkSFGevY


kaka kita ko lang ng video na to sa FB courtesy of PULA grabe parang spitting cobra! ang bastos! well what do we expect sila ang host eh let go na siguro un tsk tsk....magaling nga bastos naman sus!

Rafiboy_05
08-05-2010, 06:23 PM
How come the NCAA takes a game away from a juniors team because of a missing logo but not reprimand a player caught on national television intentionally spitting on another player? MANCOM and the commissioner, hoy gising!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWKkSFGevY


back in 2004 Ronjay Enrile of Letran spitted on Noy Javier's face, player from perpetual yata yun. ayun nabigyan siya ng 1 game suspension. bakit si Abueva hindi nasuspend?

nash_bedista
08-05-2010, 07:15 PM
Guys, yan ang tinatawag na "cabalen" connection..

NCAA commish si Aric Del Rosario - Cabalen ... >:( >:( >:(

danny
08-06-2010, 03:19 AM
How come the NCAA takes a game away from a juniors team because of a missing logo but not reprimand a player caught on national television intentionally spitting on another player? MANCOM and the commissioner, hoy gising!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWKkSFGevY


Dura lang naman. Hindi tulad ng 50 kilos na logo.

Kababuyan na talaga! Bwahahahahaha!



:D

Sam Miguel
08-06-2010, 08:19 AM
What are the rules on conduct such as spitting in the NCAA anyway? What does it say in the NCAA rule book? I can't exactly recall a similar incident in college ball, although I think Onchie Dela Cruz of Tanduay once supposedly spit on Joey Loyzaga of Ginebra in a game back in the late 1980's. That of course led to a fracas, player throw-outs, fines and a suspension or two to my recollection. In the ensuing tumultuous affray of course there was no way to prove said spitting, and the cameras of Vintage didn't quite catch it either. One angle just sort of showed Dela Cruz putting his face near Loyzaga's face, as if it was the usual trash-talk, Loyzaga's subsequent reaction was a shove and then the fracas.

Any official reactions from the NCAA Commish?

animo
08-06-2010, 09:19 AM
Guys, yan ang tinatawag na "cabalen" connection..

NCAA commish si Aric Del Rosario - Cabalen ... >:( >:( >:(



i heard coach ato played for coach aric in the mba.
connect the dots.

i see no evil.... hear no evil ;D

danny
08-06-2010, 09:22 AM
^^^

Bayaran kaya natin ang mga lumpen sa Recto para duraan si Commish? ;D

Rafiboy_05
08-06-2010, 10:14 AM
nung 1998-1999 season daw may isang instance na nandura si Kerby Raymundo pero hindi rin raw siya nasuspend.

ano bang rule ng NCAA regarding sa spitting? yung 2004 kasi nandura rin si Ronjay Enrile pero nasuspend siya.

crazybedan
08-06-2010, 01:31 PM
nung 1998-1999 season daw may isang instance na nandura si Kerby Raymundo pero hindi rin raw siya nasuspend.

ano bang rule ng NCAA regarding sa spitting? yung 2004 kasi nandura rin si Ronjay Enrile pero nasuspend siya.


bakit parang usong uso duraan sa NC :D siguro kabayan din ni kirby ung commish.. ;D

LION
08-06-2010, 01:34 PM
nung 1998-1999 season daw may isang instance na nandura si Kerby Raymundo pero hindi rin raw siya nasuspend.

ano bang rule ng NCAA regarding sa spitting? yung 2004 kasi nandura rin si Ronjay Enrile pero nasuspend siya.


bakit parang usong uso duraan sa NC :D siguro kabayan din ni kirby ung commish.. ;D


Kerby is from Bataan. Aric is from Pampanga.

danny
08-19-2010, 04:03 PM
Have you read the papers?

Aric, anong say mo? See no evil pa din ba?

:D :D :D

BASURA!

animo
08-19-2010, 04:15 PM
Huwag niyong istorbohin
masarap ang tulog ni aric

danny
08-19-2010, 04:20 PM
Ganun ba? O siya, tuloy ang jueteng... :D

nnahoj
08-19-2010, 04:32 PM
buti pa si Ato sa kabila, pag nakipag basag-ulo players, suspend, pag-olats officiating, warning. baka nga may kasamang punyeta pa yun, kasabay ng order.

BedanRoar
08-19-2010, 04:38 PM
Cabalen ::)

lekiboy
08-19-2010, 05:13 PM
Have you read the papers?

Aric, anong say mo? See no evil pa din ba?

:D :D :D

BASURA!


I am not expecing anything from Aric. He has no BALLS. Empty uniform.

red guard
08-21-2010, 12:25 AM
Ano na Commisioner Aric?..things are getting out of hand..

U allow Abueva's antics ala spitting cobra and UFC take downs, u r super silent on maconocido's below the belt blows to Sudan, u let go steven's holding onto Sudan's ankle, u dont see pamboy's elbows nor K.Alas's defensive footwork..etc etc etc..

pero mabiliska rin magsita ng wrong uniform because it was MISSING a Sponsor's logo..correct school name, correct number,correct colors,correct player's name but missing a sponsor's logo..hahaha the sponsor must have been jubilant with your detective eyes kasi ikaw ang nakapansin accd to newspaper reports

todays's mapua-arellano game was pretty much the same with celada thinking steven's head was the ball..a near fracus erupted at game's end with another arellano player throwing the ball into the faces of the mapua players during the scuffle..

Iba talaga ang season ngayon..lahat OK lang except for uniforms ..WOW what a message to all the teams..

THank U talaga for being a great Commisioner..iba na ang NC these days..KALEVEL SA INTERBARANGAY!..

mighty_lion
08-21-2010, 08:56 AM
Agreed. Aric should be fired. With the way refs blowed their whistle in the last SBC-SSCR game to trim down the lead, an investigation should have been done.

danny
08-21-2010, 09:20 AM
Agreed. Aric should be fired. With the way refs blowed their whistle in the last SBC-SSCR game to trim down the lead, an investigation should have been done.


Magbayad na tayo ng mga lumpen sa Recto. Paduraan na yan si Aric. ;D

danny
08-21-2010, 09:25 AM
I urge everyone to collate the lumpen blows in the NCAA and send the youtube to Aric and his minions. CC ang lahat uli ng sportswriters sa Pinas. Mahirap nang kung hindi babantayan itong taong ito. Baka may masaksak na Red Lions wala pa ding suspension.

Logo ka, Aric. Logo logo ka talaga. ;)

duphaR007
08-21-2010, 10:10 AM
or ipadaan na lang kaya through kay sir joey lim?

The_Big_Cat
08-21-2010, 11:03 AM
If UAAP commissioner Ato Badolato was able to review the games and hand down suspensions why not Aric Del Rosario? This is the job of the commissioner, with or without filing a complaint. Get rid of those hooligans. The Maconocido's hit on Daniel's groin was a closed fist. It was very clear on the video and to be precise it was Maconocido's left fist. And mind you, Maconocido tried to do it again for the 2nd time in less than a minute.

Tumatanggap ba yan ng jueteng payola?

mighty_lion
08-21-2010, 11:10 AM
Macononcido's dirty antics based on replay in studio 23 website http://www.studio23.tv/watch.aspx?id=1428 :
1. 2nd motion kick to sliding Mar Villahermosa (see 1:01:27-30)
2. Punch to the groin of Sudan (see 1:53:01-05)
3. In the battle for the rebound between Abueva and Daniel, when both went down to the floor, Macononcido threw one of Sudan's leg forcefully. That alone deserves warning at the minimum. (See 1:46:44)

Officiating is downright aweful. San Beda was more agressive offensively and yet the proportion of calls is almost 4:1 in favor of SSCR? Lot of non-calls on hack to drives by rome.

There are also at least 2 occasions where SBC player was able to score then ref's would blow the whistle for a foul. SBC scored 2 and SSCR gets 2 free throws. Downright aweful.

admiral thrawn
08-21-2010, 01:00 PM
Sa SBC lang ginagawa yan....kahapon andami na suspinde..Ano ba komisyoner may galit ka ba sa San Beda?

danny
08-21-2010, 03:34 PM
Sa SBC lang ginagawa yan....kahapon andami na suspinde..Ano ba komisyoner may galit ka ba sa San Beda?


Jueteng payola?

danny
08-21-2010, 03:55 PM
Mighty, message sent to all the media contacts.

We need more videos. I will bombard the media with these annoying e-mails. Yoohooo. Aric, we'll make you famous. :)

lekiboy
08-21-2010, 03:57 PM
Mighty, message sent to all the media contacts.

We need more videos. I will bombard the media with these annoying e-mails. Yoohooo. Aric, we'll make you famous. :)
infamous_hahahaha-paki_pm..copy:)

danny
08-21-2010, 04:39 PM
^^^

Pero pare, we cannot clean this league all by ourselves. At least we should try... again and again and again...hanggang magunaw na sana ang basurang liga na ito sa kapabayaan ng mga natutulog diyan.

The NCAA never had it so good in a long long time. 28 years ba? Blame that to San Beda. :D :D:D

animo
08-22-2010, 01:55 PM
Sa SBC lang ginagawa yan....kahapon andami na suspinde..Ano ba komisyoner may galit ka ba sa San Beda?


Jueteng payola?


puede.
being a commissioner is a thankless job. you don't earn much from it.
where in the world where you get "bonus" by being blind and mute for awhile?
well, that's my conspiracy theory ;D

franz_inwurdz
08-25-2010, 03:24 PM
^ grabe, wala talagang nangyare no? ???

BedanRoar
09-23-2010, 07:43 PM
Is the NCAA Commissioner watching the games? So far, I've never seen him being focused by the camera in the games. ???

Well, we're entering the last & Crucial Leg of Season 86. To remove any doubts for the outcome of the league, his presence and authotity should be visible!......Di Ba?

Paramdam natin sa Commissioner na "All eyes are attentioned to him"!

animo
09-23-2010, 08:17 PM
i guess busy sleeping? ;D

BedanRoar
09-23-2010, 08:33 PM
oK pa siguro yun natutulog talaga kesa nagtutulugtulugan (malaki na gulo sa kanan eh sa kaliwa pa rin nakatingin)! ::)

can2terz
09-23-2010, 10:49 PM
hindi ba kapampangan si aric del rosario?, naging coach din siya ng pampanga dragons sa mba dati. ???

datu_pula
09-24-2010, 09:32 AM
Is the NCAA Commissioner watching the games? So far, I've never seen him being focused by the camera in the games. ???

Well, we're entering the last & Crucial Leg of Season 86. To remove any doubts for the outcome of the league, his presence and authotity should be visible!......Di Ba?

Paramdam natin sa Commissioner na "All eyes are attentioned to him"!


I have seen him in the play dates of San Beda, including the juniors games. Perhaps ABS-CBN does not see him as a person of consequence to show a glimpse of him on national TV... better to focus on the pretty girls and lovely ladies at the games. He cannot measure up to the standards of Ato Badolato as Commissioner.

naz-T
09-25-2010, 09:32 AM
In fairness sa NCAA, lamang sila sa UAAP pag dating sa website. mas informative ata ang website ng NCAA www.ncaa.org.ph sa website ng UAAP na www.uaapsports.com :)

kahit sa website nalang lamang pwede na yan

danny
09-26-2010, 12:02 AM
In fairness sa NCAA, lamang sila sa UAAP pag dating sa website. mas informative ata ang website ng NCAA www.ncaa.org.ph sa website ng UAAP na www.uaapsports.com :)

kahit sa website nalang lamang pwede na yan


Naaahhhh. That's irrelevant.

Mang_Roger
09-26-2010, 08:03 AM
Commissioner Aric Del Rosario is not doing a yo man's job. There are so many cheap shots thrown every game, the seemingly questionable calls of the zebras, etc. and he is not lifting a single finger to address the said matters. Heck! spitting and uppercuts in the groin are already part of a team's arsenal! The way things are, he is just an empty shirt waiting to collect his fees. Napakalayo sa yumaong Jun Bernardino.

BedanRoar
09-26-2010, 06:40 PM
Commissioner Aric Del Rosario should be REPLACED next Season!!!

Time to retire :-*

animo
09-26-2010, 10:04 PM
Commissioner Aric Del Rosario should be REPLACED next Season!!!

Time to retire :-*


depende yan kung sino host next season.

danny
10-09-2010, 02:49 AM
If the family and friends of alleged jueteng lords are watching the NCAA, is this not a red flag for the NBI to enter the picture?

If some media personalities are questioning whether the NCAA already lost it's perspective, should we not question the possibility of money laundering via integrating/layering in the NCAA?

I do not know about you people, but I sure do hope the NBI will closely monitor the lords of jueteng who are now pretty much married to the NCAA for some reason only my former Alma Mater knows.

If they want to launder their money, spare the NCAA for Pete's sake. Go buy art, gold bulions and vintage wines instead.

Order of Augustinian Recollects, you failed me and my batchmates once again. By allowing a possible avenue for tainted money to flow into the basketball programor the school, you have given us and the those honorable graduates another great disservice. When will you learn?

They say the NCAA lost it's perspective. I say the NCAA lost it's soul when it got attractive for the alleged jueteng lords.

6thmaninred
10-23-2010, 04:36 AM
Commissioner Aric Del Rosario should be REPLACED next Season!!!

Time to retire :-*


depende yan kung sino host next season.


Perpetual Help.. i guess..

danny
11-17-2010, 04:10 PM
:D :D :D

What say you?