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jared23
07-14-2010, 04:59 PM
:)
update nyo nmn kami dito sa pinas...
post nmn kayo ng link..
ive heard Gilas is doing good in jones cup.

true.blue
07-14-2010, 05:26 PM
From Noli Eala's tweeter page:

Smart Gilas Pilipinas beats ROC College All Stars 83-52 for 1st win in Jones Cup

fujima04
07-14-2010, 06:01 PM
post nmn kayo ng link..

Try mo to:

One Pinoy - Jones Cup (http://www.onepinoy.net/2010/06/basketball-free-live-streaming.html)

jared23
07-15-2010, 09:56 AM
keep updating us here.. lalo na sa laban mamaya vs iran..

Schortsanitis
07-15-2010, 01:14 PM
The Jones Cup is good for giving the young players, and the team overall good exposure. But even if the team does well in the tournament, it is in no way indicative of the team's true strength, especially with respect to the more "serious" tournaments like the Asian Games, or whatever it is they call the former Asian Basketball Conference (ABC) nowadays.

But, of course, it is better for the team to do well, than NOT to do well in a "light" tournament like this.

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http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=593470&publicationSubCategoryId=69

Gilas pounds young Taiwanese

By Nelson Beltran (The Philippine Star) Updated July 15, 2010 12:00 AM

HSINCHUANG CITY – Smart Gilas Team Pilipinas cranked up for the tough games ahead with an 83-52 whipping of the Taiwan University All Stars in the opener of the 32nd Williams Jones Cup International Basketball Tournament at the Hsinchuang Gymnasium here yesterday.

Japeth Aguilar started the game with the first of his five jams and the Nationals easily outplayed their youthful local rivals for the rousing victory priming them up for an acid test against back-to-back Fiba-Asia champion Iran today.

“It’s a nice win to begin our campaign in this tourney. We have new guys joining the team but we still played good basketball for most of the game. To me, it means we’re ready to compete,” said Smart Gilas coach Rajko Toroman.

“We have problems with the calls and we need to adjust to it. We’re looking forward to our next games. We look forward to playing Iran tomorrow (today),” Toroman added.

The Philippines beat Iran the last time they played here in 2007 but the Iranians have since gone on a roll, ruling the last two Asian jousts. Iran topped the Philippines in the 2007 Tokushima Fiba-Asia championship and repeated with a big win in last year’s Asian championship in Tianjin, China.

Against the TU All-Stars, Smart Gilas naturalization candidate Marcus Douthit came through with a double-double game with 15 points and 14 rebounds as he braced up for his battle with the Iranian giants.

“We got a good game that should get our confidence up,” said the 6-foot-10 Providence U product. “I’m not too happy with my performance as I could have played harder. I’ll try to come up with a lot more against Iran.”

Taiwan U coach Liu Chun-Yeh said they lost to a team that played good, aggressive hustling defense.

Smart Gilas put up a pressing defense most of the way, getting 19 steals which the Nationals translated to significant number of transition baskets.

Also operating well on half-court offense, the Nationals took control from start to finish for a triumphant start in the tourney serving as part of their buildup for the Asian Games in Guangzhou, China this November.

Starters Douthit, Aguilar, JV Casio, Chris Tiu and Chris Lutz gave the team early double-digit spreads which the team stretched to as big as 34, 78-44, towards the end.

Toroman opted to sit out Douthit in the last seven minutes after the Nationals opened a 27-point bulge at 69-42 on a barrage of points from the outside by reserves RJ Jazul, Marcius Lassiter and Dylan Ababou.

The Nationals played a well-balanced game with Douthit, Lassiter, Aguilar, Ababou, Jazul, Lutz and Mac Baracael all making at least seven points each.

Douthit produced huge numbers though being the team’s last option offensively.

He went 6-of-10 from the field and 3-of-3 from the stripe while also chalking up three blocks, one assist and one steal in 26 minutes of action.

Greg Slaughter chipped in six points, two rebounds and one steal in being Douthit’s chief backup. Jason Ballesteros was good for six rebounds, two points and two blocks as the team’s third-string center.

fujima04
07-15-2010, 03:29 PM
End of 1Q

PHI 22 - 25 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 03:33 PM
2Q Time left: 9:07

PHI 24 - 28 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 03:35 PM
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PHI 24 - 30 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 03:39 PM
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PHI 27 - 35 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 03:42 PM
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PHI 27 - 38 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 03:46 PM
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PHI 29 - 40 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 03:48 PM
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PHI 30 - 40 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 03:50 PM
End of 2Q

PHI 35 - 45 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:04 PM
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PHI 37 - 47 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:07 PM
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PHI 37 - 52 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:09 PM
http://www.onepinoy.net/2010/06/basketball-free-live-streaming.html

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:14 PM
3Q Time left 5:44

PHI 43 - 54 IRAN

berto_07
07-15-2010, 04:17 PM
salamat sa update.. go Gilas.. kaya pa yan..

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:23 PM
3Q Time left 2:37

PHI 46 - 58 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:29 PM
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PHI 49 - 61 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:30 PM
End of 3Q

PHI 51 - 61 IRAN

Douthit beating the buzzer.

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:40 PM
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PHI 57 - 65 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:44 PM
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PHI 57 - 72 IRAN

Tsk...lumayo na naman.

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:50 PM
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PHI 65 - 77 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:51 PM
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PHI 65 - 79 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:52 PM
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PHI 65 - 81 IRAN

fujima04
07-15-2010, 04:53 PM
End of 4Q

Final Score

PHI 68 - 81 IRAN

Schortsanitis
07-16-2010, 08:09 AM
http://sports.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20100715-281336/Iran-runs-over-Smart-Gilas-team-in-Jones-Cup

Iran runs over Smart Gilas team in Jones Cup

By June Navarro
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 21:27:00 07/15/2010

HSINCHUANG, Taiwan — Smart Gilas-Pilipinas stayed within upset range but the winning punch never came.

Powerhouse Iran shrugged off jet lag to exact an 81-68 win over the Filipinos in its opening match in the 32nd William Jones Cup International Basketball Tournament on Thursday at the Hsinchuang Coliseum here.

Bone-tired following a 26-hour flight from Italy on Wednesday, the Iranians had to lean on Iman Zandi’s three-pointer and the inside game of Asghar Kardoust in the waning minutes to finally break the resolve of the Filipinos.

Smart Gilas absorbed its second straight loss in 2010 to the Iranians, who have won all the major continental tournaments in the past two years.

Scheduled to represent Asia in the Fiba World Championship next month in Turkey, Iran ruled the 2009 Fiba Asia Championships, defended the crown with its club team Mahram in the Dubai International Tournament in January, and topped the Fiba Asia Champions Cup in Doha, Qatar in May.

“We cannot be disappointed because we played with a lot of heart,” said Smart Gilas coach Rajko Toroman, the genius behind Iran’s 2007 Fiba Asia Championship victory and 2008 Beijing Olympic stint.

Trailing 58-44, Smart Gilas cut the deficit through the efforts of Mark Barroca, Chris Tiu and Marcus Douthit.

Tiu nailed a three-pointer and Douthit split his free throws to push Gilas within 57-63.

But Zandi fired a triple from the corner and the 6-foot-10 Kardoust, who scored 12 of Iran’s 20 points in the final period, threw his weight in the paint to put order on the Iranian offense.

Samad Nikkah Bahrami finished with 27 points while Kardoust and Zandi added 18 and 16 for the Iranians.

“The Philippines is improving every game. They become better and better every time we play them,” said Iran head coach Veselin Matic. “Give this team three more years together and we will have a tougher time beating them.”

Missing in the Iranian lineup were the 7-foot-2 Hamed Haddadi and 6-foot-10 forward Hamed Afagh.

Smart Gilas, who dumped the Chinese Taipei University All-Star, 83-52, in Wednesday’s inaugurals, had its last taste of the lead on Greg Slaughter’s putback, 22-21, off Marcio Lasitter’s miss.

The scores:

IRAN 81 —Bahrami 27, Kardoust 18, Zandi 16, Kamrany 9, Sahakian 5, Amini 3, Davarpanah 2, Doraghi 1, Davoudi 0, Baheran 0, Arghavan 0.

SMART GILAS 68 —Douthit 16, Lasitter 15, Tiu 11, Baracael 8, Barroca 8, Slaughter 6, Casio 4, Lutz 0, Aguilar 0.

Quarters: 25-22, 45-35, 61-51, 81-68

salsa caballero
07-16-2010, 11:52 AM
What I noticed was that we did better when Slaughter was on the court for Gilas. Crafty Toroman seems to have some aces up his sleeve. Khamrany also seems to be full of himself right now. When Barroca scored on a fastbreak lay-up off of him, it seemed to have gotten his goat. Notice how the Iranians suddenly went at pretty boy Barroca as soon as their point guard was facialled, incited perhaps by their point guard's antics. Yup, Gilas is slowly but surely getting there.

pio_valenz
07-18-2010, 08:27 PM
End of 3rd, Gilas leads Taiwan, 58-50.

pio_valenz
07-18-2010, 08:38 PM
Japeth slam gives Gilas a 67-58 lead, 6 min left in 4th.

pio_valenz
07-18-2010, 08:57 PM
overtime, 80-all.

pio_valenz
07-18-2010, 09:16 PM
96-93 Gilas, 3.9 sec remaining. Taiwan ball.

pio_valenz
07-18-2010, 09:29 PM
96-93 final. JV Casio taps the ball away as a Taiwanese player was elevating for a triple at the last second to preserve the win. At first, it appears that a referee whistled JV for a foul, then there was some confusion, then the graphics showed the score to be final. Really couldn't udenrstand what was going on ebcause the coverage was in Chinese.

Taiwan hit seven triples on the fourth to come back from a double-digit deficit and force the game into overtime. For most of the fourth and overtime, Toroman rotated a six-man line-up of Baracael, Douthit, Lassiter, Lutz, Casio and Tiu.

In OT, it looked like Gilas had the game wrapped up with 25 seconds left and Douthit getting fouled. Leading 94-91, Douthit just needed to sink one of two free throws. But he says something to one of the refs, and gets T'd up! He makes 1 of 2, then Taiwan hits both FTs off the technical, and gains ball possession. It's 95-93.

But Tiu steals the ball with 5 seconds left and is fouled. He makes just 1 free throw to give Taiwan one last shot before Casio seals the win.

Schortsanitis
07-19-2010, 09:05 AM
http://sports.inquirer.net/amateur/amateur/view/20100719-281936/Gilas-RP-quintet-nips-Taiwan-nationals-in-OT

Gilas-RP quintet nips Taiwan nationals in OT

By June Navarro

Philippine Daily Inquirer

First Posted 01:32:00 07/19/2010

HSINCHUANG, TAIWAN—Marcus Douthit provided the key baskets as the error-prone Smart Gilas Pilipinas five scraped past Chinese Taipei in overtime, 96-93, Sunday night in the 32nd William Jones Cup International Tournament.

Douthit scored six of the RP team’s last seven points in the extra period as the Filipinos bucked the host country’s homecourt edge and the deplorable officiating at the Hsinchuang Coliseum here.

The RP team’s candidate for naturalization finished with 33 points and grabbed 22 rebounds, eight of them on the offensive end.

Chris Tiu and JVee Casio also pulled off two crucial stops to seal the country’s third victory in four games.

Protecting a 95-93 edge, Tiu stole off a driving Lee Hsueh-lin, then split his free throws as Taipei resorted to a quick foul.

The Taiwanese set up a desperation play but Casio had Lee well covered, forcing the cat-quick guard into another miscue as the final buzzer sounded.

Smart Gilas coach Rajko Toroman was pleased with the outcome, although he blasted the officiating.

The Serbian coach was particularly incensed when Douthit was slapped a technical foul for talking to Cheng Jen-wei after a rebound play with 25.93 ticks left.

Cheng was later awarded two charities plus ball possession.

“This is the worst officiating in my 22 years as a basketball coach,” said Toroman.

“The referee wasn’t there. He came from nowhere and didn’t even hear what Marcus said. He tried to decide the game,” added Toroman.

Taiwanese coach Chang Hsueh-lei questioned the referees on his team’s botched desperation play after Casio stripped the ball away from Lee in the dying seconds.

Chang claimed that Casio traveled, but game officials ignored him.

“It was a good game and we deserved to win,” said Toroman, whose boys will face the Japanese national team on Monday.

The bulky 6-foot-10 Douthit’s tip-in in the last minute of regulation almost sealed the win for the Filipinos, but Yang Chin-min drilled a three-pointer in the waning seconds to force the extension at 80-all.

“It’s probably his (Douthit’s) career high,” said Toroman. “He played great but I also think we have a lot of players who also contributed and made this win possible.”

Mac Baracael’s free throws and a three-pointer by Chris Lutz gave Smart Gilas an 89-82 lead, before Chinese Taipei scored six straight points on the incursions of Chen Shun-hsia.

The scores:

SMART GILAS 96—Douthit 33, Baracael 14, Lutz 13, Lassiter 12, Aguilar 11, Casio 9, Tiu 4, Barroca 0, Ababou 0, Ballesteros

CHINESE TAIPEI 93—Chen SH 32, Chen TW 16, Lee 13, Chen SN 9, Yang 8, Mao 8, Chen CH 4, Lu 2, Cheng 1, Chang 0.

Quarters: 16-13, 34-34, 58-50, 80-80 (reg.), 96-93

clutchjedi
07-19-2010, 02:50 PM
Just saw the final score on ESPN... PHI lost to JPN 74-84 (JPN outscored PHI 29-22 in 4th Qtr). :(

ilovedhay
07-19-2010, 08:43 PM
talagang mahihirapan tayo nito pagdating ng asian games.

Schortsanitis
07-20-2010, 07:36 AM
http://mb.com.ph/articles/267768/japan-stuns-gilasrp-jones-cup

Japan stuns Gilas-RP in Jones Cup

By WAYLON GALVEZ
July 19, 2010, 6:07pm

Games Tuesday (Hsinchuang Gymnasium, Taipei County)
3 p.m. — Lebanon vs Smart-Gilas
5 p.m. — CT Univ. All-Star vs Japan
7 p.m. — Iran vs Taiwan

HSINCHUANG CITY — The Smart-Gilas national team’s slim title hopes evaporated into thin air on Monday when it absorbed a shocking 84-74 defeat to Japan in the 32nd William R. Jones Cup at the Hsinchuang Gymnasium in Taipei County here.

Though coming off an impressive 96-93 overtime win over host Taiwan, the Nationals bungled so many opportunities to the dismay of their Filipino supporters.

They rallied from a 53-65 deficit to move within 70-74 through the efforts of Mark Baracael and Marcia Lassiter, who nailed back-to-back treys with 1:42 left in the game.

While many thought it was the spark they needed, the shooting touch and the sharpness of the Nationals suddenly disappeared.

Their bid slowly faded away when Baracael’s pass intended for Lassiter went out of bounds which Japan translated into a huge basket – thanks to Amino Tomooo.

Another turnover by American import Marcus Douthit led to Sakurai Ryota’s two free throws off a foul by Lassiter for a 78-70 lead, 49.08 seconds left which dashed away their remaining hopes.

While the Nationals disintegrated, the Japanese were a picture of calm as they made all their eight tries from the free throw area in the last two minutes.

The Nationals slipped to 3-2, the same win-loss record of the Japanese.

The scores:
JAPAN 84 — Amino 13, Hirose 13, Tabuse 10, Aono 10, Yamada 8, Kinoshita 8, Ishizaki 8, Sakurai 6, Nagayama 4, Takeda 4, Kanamura 0, Mitsuhara 0.
SMART-GILAS 74 — Baracael 24, Douthit 20, Lassiter 16, Barroca 6, Casio 4, Ababou 2, Slaughter 2, Tiu 0, Lutz 0.
Quarters: 17-15; 34-32, 52-55, 84-74.

coachjake
07-20-2010, 03:19 PM
Just saw the final score on ESPN... PHI lost to JPN 74-84 (JPN outscored PHI 29-22 in 4th Qtr). :(


And they're talking about going to the Olympics? Ha ha .... give us a break!!

coachjake
07-20-2010, 03:21 PM
http://mb.com.ph/articles/267768/japan-stuns-gilasrp-jones-cup

Japan stuns Gilas-RP in Jones Cup

By WAYLON GALVEZ
July 19, 2010, 6:07pm

Games Tuesday (Hsinchuang Gymnasium, Taipei County)
3 p.m. — Lebanon vs Smart-Gilas
5 p.m. — CT Univ. All-Star vs Japan
7 p.m. — Iran vs Taiwan

HSINCHUANG CITY — The Smart-Gilas national team’s slim title hopes evaporated into thin air on Monday when it absorbed a shocking 84-74 defeat to Japan in the 32nd William R. Jones Cup at the Hsinchuang Gymnasium in Taipei County here.

Though coming off an impressive 96-93 overtime win over host Taiwan, the Nationals bungled so many opportunities to the dismay of their Filipino supporters.

They rallied from a 53-65 deficit to move within 70-74 through the efforts of Mark Baracael and Marcia Lassiter, who nailed back-to-back treys with 1:42 left in the game.

While many thought it was the spark they needed, the shooting touch and the sharpness of the Nationals suddenly disappeared.

Their bid slowly faded away when Baracael’s pass intended for Lassiter went out of bounds which Japan translated into a huge basket – thanks to Amino Tomooo.

Another turnover by American import Marcus Douthit led to Sakurai Ryota’s two free throws off a foul by Lassiter for a 78-70 lead, 49.08 seconds left which dashed away their remaining hopes.

While the Nationals disintegrated, the Japanese were a picture of calm as they made all their eight tries from the free throw area in the last two minutes.

The Nationals slipped to 3-2, the same win-loss record of the Japanese.

The scores:
JAPAN 84 — Amino 13, Hirose 13, Tabuse 10, Aono 10, Yamada 8, Kinoshita 8, Ishizaki 8, Sakurai 6, Nagayama 4, Takeda 4, Kanamura 0, Mitsuhara 0.
SMART-GILAS 74 — Baracael 24, Douthit 20, Lassiter 16, Barroca 6, Casio 4, Ababou 2, Slaughter 2, Tiu 0, Lutz 0.
Quarters: 17-15; 34-32, 52-55, 84-74.




I don't think it was a "shocking" defeat .... Japan was a better prepared National Team ..... we should be ashamed, we even had imports and nothing has really happened but money spent on nothing but a pipe dream.

easter
07-20-2010, 03:53 PM
Calls are so weird in this game against Lebanon.

erichubert
07-20-2010, 05:02 PM
One thing for sure, this team is better prepared against the likes of Iran, Jordan and Lebanon but there are still a lot of issues. For one, Toroman relies too much on the first 5 of Tiu, Casio, Lassiter, Baracael and Douthit. This takes too much of them in the end game. Sayang sila Ababou, Ballesteros and Rabeh, di ginagamit specially with the ineffectiveness of Aguilar, Slaughter and Lutz.

For Japeth, sobrang disappointing performance, I guess they will blame it on his injury again, but at this point, that is no excuse anymore, he has been injured for more than half his basketball career. Sayang ang slot, let him play in the PBA, lets wait for Aldrech Ramos na lang to come back from the UAAP.

The_Big_Cat
07-20-2010, 06:09 PM
Japeth needs to decide whether he's a 3 or a 4. He dribbles to much for a 4. He doesn't need to look far and can copy what Mac Baracael has been doing for Gilas in the last 2 years. And that is by picking his spots wisely on where he can snipe from medium range and playing intelligent defense.

We haven't seen yet the true potential of Chris Lutz. He will be the X-factor in the upcoiming tournaments for Gilas.

Schortsanitis
07-20-2010, 06:47 PM
Well, I have been following the RP National basketball teams for the last two and half decades now, and up to now, I still cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel for the Philippines as far as Asian basketball is concerned.

We've tried all sort of combinations, from pro players, to years of development, to hiring a great coach to teach Euroball to the Philippines, to naturalizing a big man ... but, still ...

I'll reserve my final judgement until the Asian Games, but I have to say that my outlook for the team is a bit negative at this point. Its not that I want the team to fail, but its just looks that way for now.

Soccer, anyone? :D

coreytaylor
07-20-2010, 09:32 PM
magboxing, magbilliards, at magbowling na lang ang mga pinoy. ;D

joelex
07-21-2010, 01:10 AM
no one cares anymore except the die hard college fans who think gilas players are the best and are destined to bring the gold.

the country's true basketball spirit lies in the PBA's history and how we revered superstars and high scoring imports which we talked about and admired despite their supposed lack of team ball, etc. But as fans we always loved it. Who cares if we didnt have euro style ball? We love American style hoops and even of played like those europeans, we will still fuck up cause were midgets against other countries. Hope we see the 3 conference format back again.

Olympics or not, Im sure we will continue to love basketball and it will remain #1 in our hearts through what the PBA did for us as we grew up. admit it or not.

nightowl
07-21-2010, 10:33 AM
Is this 'experiment' working?

Its been 2 years, with a lot of money going down the drain. Think Toroman and all the allowances that the locals get, as well as the fil-ams and the pure imports playing for Smart-Gilas. There seems to be no real improvement, and really, they should stop talking about the Olympics when we lose to Japan and have to go to OT to beat Chinese-Taipei.

Hey, we used to beat these guys handily, and that was not so long ago. The Jaworski led Philippine team did SO MUCH BETTER!

Not only that, they seem to have an excuse when they lose, like to Japan, they say they were exhausted. Hey, all the Jones Cup teams played the same number of games in the same number of days. If our guys were tired, maybe they are just not in shape?

Or maybe, we just should'nt hear excuses anymore. We lost, period.

pio_valenz
07-21-2010, 01:05 PM
^They were probably exhausted because the Taiwan game was played Sunday night and went to overtime, then the Japan game was played early afternoon of Monday. But regardless, they shouldn't make that an excuse because this is the type of scheduling they can expect in the FIBA-Asia: games everyday with only one rest day in between. Besides, kasalanan naman nila kung bakit nag-overtime ang game nila against Taiwan, and they already knew of this schedule beforehand.

Re: Japeth, I think by now it's clear that his potential has been overrated all these years. Just because he made it to the roster of a US NCAA Division I team, everybody assumed he would do well against Asian competition. Right now, Mac Baracael is performing better than him.

erichubert
07-21-2010, 01:44 PM
Taiwan is actually a very good team, in the last FIBA tournament, they battled Iran to the end, losing only by a few points. Their team for this Jones Cup is not even their best, they are without their 2 big men who are in the States trying out for the NBA.

The reason for their exhaustion is Toroman's very short rotation, it seems he doesn't trust the other players in the team, that's why the first five is burnt out in the end game.

Re Japeth, I agree, he is the most over hyped, overrated and most disappointing player in our generation.

BigBlue
07-21-2010, 02:47 PM
re: japeth, i dont think overrated is the right word to use, because we all saw what he is capable of during his stint with the Guiao NT. you can't blame fans and coaches to think highly of him because he has proven his worth as a player. where he fails miserably is on the mental side of the game, his seeming lack of focus. but i agree, sayang talaga ang batang ito.

Schortsanitis
07-21-2010, 06:56 PM
The truth of the matter, is that the Philippines only has a very shallow pool of big men (as in, internationally sized, 6'8" and above big men) to choose from, hence whenever we see a 6'8" slam-dunking machine like Japeth, we immediately think he must be the future of Philippine basketball.

In other countries where they have a deep pool of big men, as in dozens upon dozens of 6'8"+ players to choose from, probably guys like Japeth won't necessarily make it to the National team, notwithstanding his slam dunking prowess, because other players with his height and with better skills are available.

He is tall, he is athletic, but we've seen guys like the athletic 6'6" Alex Araneta before who has not truly blossomed into the next great center. Aside from athleticism, it takes coordination, skill and mental toughness to be truly a great big man in basketball.

cobaltinee
07-22-2010, 01:59 PM
Gus2 ko kunin si Marcus Douthit as naturalization sa Asian Games at kunin si Asi Taulava at Kelly Williams. We need energy guys.

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rabbaddal
08-06-2010, 12:01 AM
Is this 'experiment' working?

Its been 2 years, with a lot of money going down the drain. Think Toroman and all the allowances that the locals get, as well as the fil-ams and the pure imports playing for Smart-Gilas. There seems to be no real improvement, and really, they should stop talking about the Olympics when we lose to Japan and have to go to OT to beat Chinese-Taipei.

Hey, we used to beat these guys handily, and that was not so long ago. The Jaworski led Philippine team did SO MUCH BETTER!

Not only that, they seem to have an excuse when they lose, like to Japan, they say they were exhausted. Hey, all the Jones Cup teams played the same number of games in the same number of days. If our guys were tired, maybe they are just not in shape?

Or maybe, we just should'nt hear excuses anymore. We lost, period.


Put it in perspective. Iran started their basketball program around 1990, around the time RP sent its first all pro team to international games. Up to 2005, they were 5th – placer in Asia. They also had 16 coaching changes over the years. But eventually, their perseverance hit paydirt when they started dominating Asia in 2006. That was a 15-year effort for them, yet here some Pinoys are getting discouraged after only 2 years.

Regarding Japeth, I don’t think he is “overrated. There is some basis to support the lofty expectations. He has the height, athleticism and good timing on the block. And he’s not entirely ignorant of the post either because that was his position before going to the US and his dad was a former PBA center. The problem with him is his unwillingness to master the post. He’s got it in his head that he’s destined to play SF and SG that he shouldn’t have to learn how to play inside. Rumor even had it that his dad complained to SG for insisting that Japeth play inside. He misses the whole point that to succeed in international basketball means being able to assume different positions if the situation calls for it, like the way Baracael can play #2 to #4. Hopefully it enters his head that if he doesn’t shape up, Williams is going to take his playing time away.

Schortsanitis
08-06-2010, 11:14 AM
The Philippines started its "basketball program" when, in 1920? LOL

rabbaddal
08-06-2010, 09:38 PM
/\/\

Which program was that? Who were the coaches? How many international tournaments did they play every year?

Schortsanitis
08-07-2010, 10:26 AM
/\/\

Which program was that? Who were the coaches? How many international tournaments did they play every year?


Uh-huh. Okay, let me summarize this for you:
- The Americans introduce basketball to Filipinos in the early part of the 20th century. Over the years, the Filipinos fell in love with the sport, eventually culminating in the 50s and 60s when the Philippine Basketball National team lorded it in all of Asia.
- As the 70s rolled on, though, countries with naturally taller players like China, and Iran started learning, and more importantly, appreciating the sport, so much so, that they ended up lording it all over Asia.

Take a look at Iran. When did those guys started learning the sport? Definitely much later then we have. And yet now they are lords of Asia, and with a legitimate NBA player among their ranks.

So what are you saying, then? That height absolutely has no effect on our decline as a basketball power, and the rise of basketball powers like China and Iran? That all we need to do, is just keep "developing" a national team, and we will eventually topple countries like Iran in basketball?

The Philippines had the first professional basketball league in Asia, and we still ended up being overtaken by these newcomers just because they are taller. We had a long headstart over these guys, and they still overtook us.

I don't agree that its just because "we don't have a long term national program". I think that's just the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow which we insist on trying to chase.

rabbaddal
08-07-2010, 11:42 AM
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My question was plain and simple. Who were their coaches and how many international tournaments did the Philippines play every year? Do you know the answer (I do)?

Iran has had more than 10 foreign coaches (mostly eastern european) and has played in at least 3 international tournaments (excluding AGs, qualifiers, Olympics and WCs) every year for more than a decade. Are you saying that's not the reason they excel in Asia?

Schortsanitis
08-07-2010, 11:47 AM
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My question was plain and simple. Who were their coaches and how many international tournaments did the Philippines play every year? Do you know the answer (I do)?

Okay, fine. So?



Iran has had more than 10 foreign coaches (mostly eastern european) and has played in at least 3 international tournaments every year for more than a decade. Are you saying that's not the reason they excel in Asia?


So if we had 10 foreign coaches, we would become a basketball power in Asia? What're you saying, that our decades of headstart among all the countries in Asia in baseketall account for nothing, and that we need 10 foreign coaches to coach our national team, so it will be a basketball power again?

rabbaddal
08-07-2010, 11:53 AM
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So do you know the answer to my questions? It's OK to say if you don't.

And it doesn't take foreign coaches (there have been Iranian coaches since the 60s) and a basketball program for Iran to learn the sport. All they need is to put up a system of leagues if learning the sport is the only thing they're after, so there goes the argument about them learning the sport and lording it over since then.

lekiboy
08-07-2010, 12:21 PM
Before the other Asian teams boast of their greatness and their programs ,let them beat our 3rd place finish first in the World Championships.

rabbaddal
08-07-2010, 12:40 PM
Before the other Asian teams boast of their greatness and their programs ,let them beat our 3rd place finish first in the World Championships.




The 1954 RP Team was composed of a different breed of Filipino players, ones who practiced the correct shooting form, had no qualms about doing all the dirty work from setting picks to superior passing regardless of position, and who could play multiple positions when the situation called for it.

They brought down countries that had much taller players like France, Uruguay and even Canada (the country that invented basketball). They were truly a class of their own.

Schortsanitis
08-08-2010, 09:36 AM
The 1954 RP Team was composed of a different breed of Filipino players, ones who practiced the correct shooting form, had no qualms about doing all the dirty work from setting picks to superior passing regardless of position, and who could play multiple positions when the situation called for it.

They brought down countries that had much taller players like France, Uruguay and even Canada (the country that invented basketball). They were truly a class of their own.


Wow. 56 years ago. I bet the RP team then had 10 foreign coaches in a span of a decade to help them out.

rabbaddal
08-08-2010, 01:22 PM
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Read the post. They had more suitable players and coaches back then.

Schortsanitis
08-08-2010, 04:00 PM
Whatever.

LOL

rabbaddal
08-08-2010, 11:31 PM
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Obviously you want to disagree but can't come up with the points to refute.

Schortsanitis
08-10-2010, 02:07 PM
LOL

No, I disagree, but I don't want to keep arguing with kids fantasizing about the Philippines being still a basketball country in Asia.

rabbaddal
08-14-2010, 07:32 AM
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You might want to rethink your answer just in case you've been watching the news. Try again, totoy. :D

Schortsanitis
08-15-2010, 07:24 AM
Which news? The wins against Iran Team B? LOL

Goodness. You little kids never learn. I'll just leave you to feed such 'patikims' by the stronger teams to continue to fuel your fantasies about the Philippine National team.

In the meantime, let me just guess which excuses, and who are you going to be blaming come the Asian Games. LOL

rabbaddal
08-17-2010, 12:30 AM
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People with small minds tend to look at things one game at a time and shoot their mouths off without looking at the facts. They finished 7th in the Asia Champions Cup, 4th in the Jones Cup and 4th in the Stankovic Cup against teams of vets. They are one of Asia's best and they haven't even peaked. ;)

Schortsanitis
08-17-2010, 08:07 AM
Wow. And you have a "big" mind, then? LOL

Typical of you little kids to start going to personal insults, if your small brains can't handle the truth. Your analytical skills so far has shown you have a promising career in the Janitorial services. LOL

Go back to Interbasket if you're looking for an argument, kiddo. Obviously, your basketball IQ isn't up to par with the standards here at Gameface.

rabbaddal
08-19-2010, 11:06 PM
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So you want to denonstrate analytical skills and IQ? Then answer my post, if you can. Let's see you try. ;)

BLUE HORSE
08-20-2010, 09:25 AM
Janitorial services! Bwahahahahahah, pakita mo nga ang Ivy league degree mo. Kaso laging bano ang team ninyo despite the pool of talent found in the city! :P

Schortsanitis
08-20-2010, 09:42 AM
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So you want to denonstrate analytical skills and IQ? Then answer my post, if you can. Let's see you try. ;)


Ho-hum.

LOL

rabbaddal
08-21-2010, 12:34 PM
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Ho-hum. You're pwned. ;D

Schortsanitis
08-21-2010, 04:16 PM
Goodness. I'm not the one with the fantasies about the Philippine National Basketball team here. LOL

rabbaddal
08-21-2010, 09:16 PM
But your "fantasies" argument has already been proven wrong by the facts. Can you think of something else more intelligent for a reply?

joelex
08-23-2010, 12:47 AM
rp team - walang pag asa

agree, daming feeling basketball fans that still claw on to obviously far flung fantasies!

stick to your admu-dlsu lang nalalalman games..hehehe where you know it all

rabbaddal
08-23-2010, 12:57 AM
"fantasies", "walang pag asa" - You are the mediocres who cannot disprove that the Philippines is beginning to win and play strongly against the toughest teams in Asia. The intricacies of FIBA Asia basketball are way beyond your abilities to discuss intelligently.

joelex
08-23-2010, 01:18 AM
ahh...newbies... ;D

wala yan rp team...kamote...no height to bergin with...lets support pero be realistic din...wala yan..... ;D tried and tested thru the years...

rabbaddal
08-23-2010, 02:33 AM
Thru the years? Isang taon lang umaarangkada ang Smart Gilas and they've beaten and came close to beating teams that have been playing together for years and decades. Konting gamit ng kokote naman diyan, hijo. ;)

D_I_A
08-23-2010, 11:02 AM
pati ba naman dito?! :o

joelex
08-24-2010, 12:43 AM
the rp team can kiss my ass

gilas pa yan or cebuana..crummy country....tara ill take bets..PM me your offers..stupidity...come on...i have bills to pay as well as loans..wont hurt to see tiuboy go down to yi jian lian and company...

PM me your offers!!!!!!!! ok? hindi lang puro flag and country crap

again, sarap sabihin..

NEWBIES!!!! :D :D :D

rabbaddal
08-24-2010, 02:50 AM
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Is that all you have to contribute to the discussion? You're slightly dumber than mr. fantasies; not capable to talking facts and analyses. Ano nga ba ang edad mo at hanggang saang level ka ba nakapag aral? :D

Kid Cubao
08-28-2010, 09:37 AM
hayaan mo nang dito magpaandar ng kaengotan yan si joelex. di umubra ang style na bulok nyan sa BEN, kaya nga "thrown out from the Blue Eagles Nest" ang naka-subscript sa handle nya. huwag mo nang patulan.

korn666333
08-28-2010, 10:59 PM
go gilas...go pilipinas! im a filipino! woooo! go gilas!