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mighty_lion
04-11-2010, 12:25 PM
Pacquiao-Margarito bout shaping up (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=565454&publicationSubCategoryId=69)




If Margarito beats Garcia, he can stake the 154-lb crown against Pacquiao, and give Pacquiao a shot at an eighth wonder, an eighth world title in eight different weight divisions, with or without a catch weight.

Emon74
04-20-2010, 06:19 PM
Just check out Margarito's record at boxrec.com, if a Mayweather fight didn't push through, I agree Tony is the next best opponent for Pacman, despite six losses, he is still worthy opponent being stopped only once, by Shane Mosley, he holds victories over Miguel Cotto, Clottey, Cintron, and Sergio Martinez, who recently beat Kelly Pavlik, that resume speaks a lot. Aside from being a mexican, Manny would surely like to add Margarito in his list of defeated mexican opponents.

Sam Miguel
05-03-2010, 08:45 AM
I'd rather see a Margarito-Pacquiao fight. At least this man is a real fighter unlike Pink Floyd.

Outlander
07-24-2010, 08:47 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A0LEa7FwN0pMNqsAkIQ5nYcB?slug=ki-pacquiaomargarito072310

Pacquiao to fight Margarito in November

By Kevin Iole

Manny Pacquiao will fight Antonio Margarito on Nov. 13 for a vacant super welterweight championship, either in Las Vegas if Margarito can get licensed or in Monterrey, Mexico, if he can’t, promoter Bob Arum said.

That ends any possibility of a match between Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr., the top two boxers in the world, for 2010.

Arum said he decided to choose Margarito instead of Miguel Cotto, whom Pacquiao stopped in the 12th round in November, because it would be perceived as a more competitive bout. The bout will be offered on HBO Pay-Per-View.

“Cotto was beaten and even with [Hall of Fame trainer] Emanuel Steward now with him, I don’t think people believe that it’s enough to make a difference and I’m not sure they would buy it as competitive,” Arum said by telephone from his vacation home in Los Angeles. “But putting aside the controversy about the wraps, the one thing you know for sure with a Margarito fight is that it will be a hell of a fight for however long it lasts.

“Margarito knows only one way to fight and that’s coming forward. They’re going to get in there and fight. That’s what people want to see.”

Margarito’s hand-wrap controversy is no minor matter, however. He was caught with a hardened substance in his knuckle pad prior to a Jan. 24, 2009, fight in California against Shane Mosley.

He was forced to re-wrap his hands and was knocked out in the ninth round by Mosley. In February 2009, he was suspended for a year by the California State Athletic Commission.

He fought once since the Mosley fight, winning a lackluster unanimous decision over Roberto Garcia.

He applied for a license in Nevada on July 9, but by a 4-1 vote, the Nevada Athletic Commission tabled the matter and told Margarito to return to California. Arum said Margarito will file paperwork with California on Monday.

If Nevada grants Margarito a license, Arum said the fight would be in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand Garden Arena. If not, it is all but certain to wind up at a 22,000-seat arena in Monterrey, Mexico, though a group from Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, is also bidding for the fight.

Skip Avansino, a member of the Nevada commission, said he thinks California regulators should consider it first, even though Margarito doesn’t plan to fight there. The California commission knows the matter best, Avansino said.

Avansino wasn’t willing to speculate what would occur if California were to decline taking up his request, given he doesn’t have a fight planned in the state.

“He certainly deserves a decision,” Avansino said. “I don’t know what procedures California will consider in connection with his reapplication. I would think that they would consider his application appropriately, just as we would, but I would want to wait until I see what California decides.”

Avansino said he wouldn’t be swayed by the huge economic impact the fight would have upon the depressed Las Vegas economy.

Pacquiao is a huge draw in Las Vegas and is one of the few boxers who attracts high-rolling Asian gamblers, who play $25,000 a hand blackjack as well as baccarat. Las Vegas casinos had their best night in two years on Nov. 14, 2009, when Pacquiao fought Cotto because of the large influx of high-rollers who flooded Las Vegas, according to analysis by the Nevada Gaming Commission.

“I’m mindful of the economic conditions in the state of Nevada and I understand them well,” Avansino said. “I have every interest to improve and help improve the economy in this state. But as a commission, my responsibility is to protect the health and safety of those who compete in our state and to uphold the integrity of the sport. That’s my primary responsibility.”

The match would be for the World Boxing Council super welterweight championship. If Pacquiao wins it, it would be either the seventh or eighth division in which he has held a title, depending upon how it is calculated.

He has won sanctioning body titles at 112, 122, 130, 135, 140 and 147 pounds. At 126 pounds, he beat Marco Antonio Barrera, who was the linear champion. But Barrera had surrendered all of his sanctioning body titles by the time he fought Pacquiao, though he had not been beaten.

yungha
11-04-2010, 12:58 PM
so what's everyone's take on this fight?

i don't buy that crap about manny not training seriously, having the worst training camp of his career. no one trains harder for a fight than manny. it's just that pac can do a lot of other things while training. other fighters seclude themselves and live like hermits during training. that won't work for manny, he needs to be in the middle of organized chaos. that's how he functions. and he's been said to have terrible training camps since the morales trilogy and look how his career's been since then. God help his opponent if pac actually does get to have a "serious" training camp.

what i'm afraid of, though, did manny finally get himself in way over his head. margo will outweigh him by 10-15 pounds on fight night. i have visions of tito trinidad, a beast at welterweight and light middleweight, moving up to middleweight to challenge bernard hopkins. tito was undeniably the better skilled fighter but his best combinations hardly bothered the bigger, stronger hopkins while executioner's punches landed like bombs to tito's head and body. it was the type of power he never encountered before at WW and LMW. the punishment ended with tito crumpled on the canvas, the ref not bothering to count, after hopkins hammered him with a huge right to the chin. that day, the nation of puerto rico mourned the defeat of its favorite son.

will the same thing happen to the philippines and our hero on november 14?

mighty_lion
11-04-2010, 01:34 PM
I doubt Manny will lose. Todo practice daw para sa pasabog nya sa concert after ng laban.

LION
11-04-2010, 02:05 PM
Basta pag kumanta si Manny sa dugout while waiting for his name to be called, sure win na yan. He's most dangerous when he's singing. Champeon yan!

Kid Cubao
11-04-2010, 03:37 PM
^^ nahawa ka na kay sampaloc kid LOL. riot yun, parang kahapon lang isinilang ;D

anyway, on topic na tayo: the key for a margarito win is via early stoppage, up unti the 5th round. if he doesn't knock out pacquiao after the 5th, then it's all downhill for manos de tapal. he's notorious for his rubbery legs at the later rounds. for pacquiao, he should watch out for margarito's gutter tactics, particularly his use of elbows which can open gashes in his face. just do the things he's famous for, like exploiting his hand and foot speed as well as his use of crazy, unpredictable angles that has befuddled all his opponents with the exception of joshua clottey. then again, clottey didn't come to fight against pacquiao.

sabi nga ni marco antonio barrera nung tinanung sya kung may pag-asa si margarito kay pacquiao: "oh, definitely tony can knock out manny. that is, if he can hit manny squarely."

Schortsanitis
11-04-2010, 05:22 PM
Manny Pacquiao on "Jimmy Kimmel Live" again (his second appearance in the show) to promote the Margarito fight:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPdKzSRq4VM

... And also doing a duet with Will Ferell on the same show, singing John Lennon's "Imagine":
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT4hHMIpnjU

yungha
11-07-2010, 11:51 PM
margarito trainer robert garcia on reviewing tapes of manny's previous fights, "the more i see his fights it gets easier and easier."

pac's an awkward fighter and it's really easy to point out his flaws, and there are a lot, on tape. inside the ring, though, there's no time to think and analyze because by the time you see an opening, you've taken 5 or 6 blows and manny's not in front of you anymore.

but i won't stop garcia from reviewing more tape and becoming more confident that this'll be an easy fight. just go ahead.

Kid Cubao
11-08-2010, 06:33 AM
^^ floyd senior had the same impression when he trained ricky hatton. "it's always left straight then duck, same move every time," sabi nga ni floyd senior. you know what happened in that fight, di ba? ;D

oca
11-08-2010, 08:06 AM
Two things--

1) More than the hand speed and power, it is Manny's footwork that will be crucial here. He has to be continuously moving to avoid the heavy punches from a legit super welterweight.

2) Every time Manny fights a heavier opponent we have always asked if his punches will still have the same effect. This concern is more pronounced here than ever before. Kakayanin ba ng isang suntok like in the Hatton fight? Or, it will have to be an accumulation of punches like with Cotto and Dela Hoya? If it will be through accumulation of punches, Manny's footwork will be more important, he can't gamble of taking a hit so just he can deliver his combinations. The same footwork we saw in the Cotto and Dela Hoya fight must be there.

All that talk about distractions in Manny's camp are drama meant to generate more interest for the fight. With the way the odds are, how else they can take more bets and PPV subscribers? The thing with Manny now is he is the only legit attraction and the only legit feature in his every fight. His opponents are mere props. With that, they have to create windows of opportunity for Margarito, hence they play-up those distractions kuno.

But does that not mean Margarito has no chance of winning, they just have to find ways to attract more bettors and PPV subscribers.

yungha
11-08-2010, 11:28 AM
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All that talk about distractions in Manny's camp are drama meant to generate more interest for the fight. With the way the odds are, how else they can take more bets and PPV subscribers? The thing with Manny now is he is the only legit attraction and the only legit feature in his every fight. His opponents are mere props. With that, they have to create windows of opportunity for Margarito, hence they play-up those distractions kuno.

But does that not mean Margarito has no chance of winning, they just have to find ways to attract more bettors and PPV subscribers.


watching the hbo 24/7 special, i thought margarito looked real sharp in sparring. but then they introduced his primary sparring partner, a 24-yo southpaw they brought in supposedly to mimic manny's speed, style and power, a guy by the name of cleotis pendarvis. if you've never heard of him, it's because he's not worth hearing about with a record of 10(4)-3(1)-2. 4 KOs in 10 fights and they expect this guy to simulate pacquiao? a bit on the chubby side too. the other sparring partner likewise looked a bit roundish, kamukha ni willie miller.

pendarvis was also brought in by the hatton and cotto camps to prepare for pac.

in contrast, manny's sparring partners include
- vanes martirosyan, 28(17)-0-0, a top 10 SWW contender in all 4 boxing governing bodies
- amir khan, 23(17)-1(1)-0, reigning WBA JWW champ
- rashad holloway, 11(5)-1-0

any other fighter would need to prepare to face any of these guys in the ring. kay manny, pang-practice lang.

mighty_lion
11-08-2010, 01:23 PM
^
Cotto's camp committed the same mistake last year by bringing low quality sparring partners. We all know what happened during the fight.

To win against Pac you need to have one of the elite defenses in the world. And similar to basketball, in-game adjustments are also crucial. Cotto negated Pac's early barrage of punches by throwing left jab but when Pac resorted to counter punching, Cotto did not know what to do.

Jaco D
11-08-2010, 03:46 PM
but i won't stop garcia from reviewing more tape and becoming more confident that this'll be an easy fight. just go ahead.


Garcia can watch all the tape he wants as long as he applies the right kind of tape on fight night ;)

Anyway, Roach is one witty bastard! Watch the Max Kellerman interview on the web where he has Pax, Freddie, Margarito and Garcia. Roach practically silenced the talkative Margarito by keeping his responses short and direct (of course, that subdued snicker of his helped).

morrissey
11-12-2010, 11:10 AM
Pacquiao by 9th round.

yungha
11-12-2010, 11:50 AM
any chance manny can also beat up brandon rios? that guy's so annoying, a punkass in every sense of the word. he's also the biggest brown nose i've ever seen, he's got his head so far up margarito's ass you can't tell where he stops and margarito begins.

Dark Knight
11-12-2010, 04:53 PM
Margarito. Or im meatball!!!

Betting my entire Lima Bean collection for a Money Pakyaw loss.

animo
11-12-2010, 06:00 PM
do you know sites where the fight will be shown live for free?

LION
11-13-2010, 12:11 AM
Punta ka sa mga barangay o gymnasium ng siyudad mo. Sigurado may libreng panood basta iboto mo ulit si mayor.

yungha
11-13-2010, 10:43 AM
manny weighed in at 144.6, even less than when he weighed in for the clottey fight which was 145.75. margo weighed in at exactly 150.

oca
11-13-2010, 02:47 PM
Sa timbang na 144.6, palagay ko ay kating-kati na si Margarito na tamaan ang tagiliran ni Manny.

Ang tanong eh, tatama ba siya? ::)

It's all too obvious, Manny wants to use speed-- footwork and hands--to chop down the bigger opponent.

Nung mga huling laban ni Manny, pangkaraniwan ang 4-5 punch combination, all opponents were faster than Margarito. Sa isang mabagal na kalaban, 5-6, 6-7 ? ;D

Schortsanitis
11-14-2010, 10:27 AM
To those who are in places where the Pacquiao-Margarito fight Isn't availalble, here is the live blog (text only) of the fight:
- http://ph.promo.yahoo.com/ringside-with-manny-cil/index

Schortsanitis
11-14-2010, 11:01 AM
Alternate live blog of the Pacquiao-Margarito fight:
- http://www.411mania.com/boxing/columns/161921

Live blogs at Twitter:
- #RingsideWithManny
- @joeyalarilla
- @yphnewsroom

freak
11-14-2010, 01:50 PM
from http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/11/13/manny-pacquiao-vs-antonio-margarito-live-round-by-round-update/


Judges: Jurgen Langos, Oren Shellenberger, and, Glen Crocker, had it, 120-108, 119-109, and, 118-110, all for Manny Pacquiao.
FanHouse had it for Manny Pacquiao, 119-107.

Referee: Laurence Cole

Margarito enters the ring first to cheers, led by his Mexican flag; Pacquiao, second, led, initially, by AC/DC'S "Thunderstruck." Both fighters were cheered loudly as they entered.

Margarito's introduction is greeted by a mixture of cheers and boos, but mostly, cheers. Pacquiao's introduction receives a similar reception, so the crowd appears to be a mix of fans for both fighters.

Round 1: Pacquiao has a bit of a bulge to his belly and his trunks are pulled high. They touch gloves, Pacquiao right jabs and Margarito meets him in the middle of the ring and is coming forward. Pacquiao jabs and goes to the belly with a left. Margarito is so much bigger at 165 to Pacquiao's 148. Pacquiao lands a few jabs and right hands that follow and the crowd gets into it. A counter right hand lands for Pacquiao and another that jars Margarito's head. Pacquiao lands a right to the body and two more jabs to the head. Margarito is backing up. A three-punch combination by Pacquiao, who is so much faster. Another three-punch Pacquiao combination. Margarito misses with a while right hand. Another three-punch combination for Pacquiao as the bell rings. Pacquiao's round, 10-9.

Round 2: Pacquiao has established the tempo behind his right jab and follow up lefts. Margarito's guard is high but he is not punching. Pacquiao counters with a hard right but then takes a left from Margarito. Pacquiao stays on the outside and circles. Margarito takes a four-punch combination, right-left, right-left, and another right uppercut. Margarito lands three blows to the head and chest along the ropes. Margarito fires twice to the body. If Pacquiao can do this all night he will have no problems. Pacquiao lands a double-right hook and two left hands, but takes a nice uppercut from Margarito. Margarito lands two solid left jabs. Pacquiao fires and lands two left hands before the bell. Pacquiao's round, 10-9; Pacquiao, 20-18.

Round 3: Margarito did better in the second round by closing the distance and landing some punches in close. But Pacquiao resumed his strategy of landing from the outside, a one-two up the middle early. Pacquiao whips home a nice left hand and then another. Margarito clubs with a jab and a right hand. The pressure is decent from Margarito, his hands held high. Margarito lands a nice right but takes a hard left hand from Pacquiao that draws crowd reaction. Pacquiao takes a wide right but Pacquiao's defense is tight. Pacquiao reaches and lands a round-ending four-punch combination. Pacquiao's round, 10-9; Pacquiao, 30-27.

Round 4: Pacquiao continues to circle to his left, and then lands a double-right hook over the top. Pacquiao escapes a jam along the ropes with a hard right and a left and then fires another three-punch combination. Pacquiao shakes Margarito with a hard right and then lands seven unanswered punches. Margarito is undeterred and comes forward. A har bodh shot backs up Margarito and then a right wobbles him. Pacquiao is on him, pounding away. Peppering with his right jab and pounding him so that there is swelling and a large, bloody cut. Pacquiao's round, 10-8; Pacquiao, 40-35.

Round 5: Margarito appeared to be ready to go at the end of the last round, but catches Pacquiao early along the ropes with a series of body shots. However, the smaller man resumes control with yet another series of unanswered punches, starting with a right-left combination. A hard left hook targets Margarito's eye again. Margarito gets Pacquiao on the ropes for a three-punch combination to the body, but Pacquiao escapes and fires that left hand that swivels Margarito's head. Pacquiao drives Margarito's head back, yet again, with another right-left, right combination before the bell. Pacquiao's round, 10-9; Pacquiao, 50-44.

Round 6: Pacquiao continues to circle and jab with his right, and Margarito, to plod, unable to close in. Margarito continues to run into the right hand and then a left hook follows from Pacquiao. A right to the chin by Pacquiao. A right-left from Pacquiao jars Margarito. A four-punch series -- all uppercuts -- find the mark for Pacquiao, whose angles and movement prevent Margarito from getting a bead on him. Pacquiao appeares to nearly go down from a left hand to the body along the ropes, but escapes, moves away, and then fires about six unanswered punches to win the momentum back. Margarito's round, 10-9; Pacquiao, 59-54.

Round 7: Pacquiao goes back to jabbing and moving to start the seventh, apparently wary of Margarito's body shot. Pacquiao does the Ali-Shuffle to the delight of the crowd, and then fires two, successive combinations. Pacquiao lands a nice left but can't follow up. Pacquiao answers with a three-punch volley and then dances away. Pacqauiao takes a right to the body and two uppercuts. Margarito takes three of the same. Pacquiao fires a seven-punch combination starting with his left hand. Margarito seems close to trapping Pacquiao in a neutral corner, lands two body shots, and then absorbs a right, left right combination as the bell sounds. Pacquiao's round, 10-9; Pacquiao, 69-63.

Round 8: Pacquiao is on his toes but then gets trapped on the ropes and absorbs some punishment to the body. A vicious counter attack to escape. Pacquiao lands and shakes Margarito with a big left, but the bigger man comes forward. Margarito lands a good, solid left to the chin along the ropes. Pacquiao escapes and fires a four-punch volley. Margarito fires a straight right hand up the middle, and, later, traps Pacquiao along the ropes and enjoys some success to the body. But Pacquiao closes strongly. Pacquiao's round, 10-9; Pacquiao, 79-72.

Round 9: Margarito steps up the pressure early and lands a hard right to the body along the ropes. Pacquiao dances and jabs to create distance. Pacquiao is boxing almost exclusively until he lands two, wicked left hands that knock Margarito's head back. Pacquiao's energy level is incredible. Hard right hand from Pacquiao, who takes one, and then lands another right that shakes Margarito. Pacquiao's round, 10-9; Pacquiao, 89-81.

Round 10: Margarito's eyes, bruised over and under, are nearly closed. Referee Laurence Cole tests them prior to the start of the round, asking what Margarito can see when he holds up his fingers. He allow the fight to continue, and Pacquiao lands a wicked right hand. A five-punch combination from Pacquiao begins a 10-pounch assault. The crowd chants "Manny!" A right uppercut lands from Pacquiao, and then, an overhand right. Pacquiao fires and lands an eight-punch combination and Margarito is rocked by a right hand and nearly goes down. Pacquiao pours it on, but, amazingly, Margarito stays on his feet. Pacquiao's round, 10-9; Pacquiao, 99-90.

Round 11: Pacquiao goes back to pounding Margarito, who appears ready to go. Rights and lefts to the head, uppercuts, and Pacquiao looks at Cole as if asking him to stop the fight. And then Pacquiao resumes the punishment, uppercuts, right hands. Cole stops the action and asks Margarito if he can see, and then allows the beating to continue. Margarito's right eye is pouring blood. His mouth is agape. Pacquiao closes with a four-punch combination, Pacquiao's round, 10-8; Pacquiao, 109-98.

Round 12: Pacquiao has his up-jab working early. Margarito is still throwing punches, gamely. Margarito still is coming forward, and Pacquiao seems content to box. A four-punch combination lands to the head for Pacquiao. Pacquiao doubles up on the left hand. Pacquiao closes the round with a six-punch volley, even as Margarito throws and misses. Pacquiao's round, 10-9; Pacquiao 119-107.

FanHouse had it for Manny Pacquiao, 119-107.

Schortsanitis
11-14-2010, 01:56 PM
Congrats to Manny for winning via Unanimous Decision in his fight against Margarito. By all accounts, it was one hell of a beating, but Margarito refused to quit. Not only that, he came to fight, and not just cover up during the entire fight like Joshua Clottey. With the heart that he showed, I wouldn't be surprised if Marga sorts of finally gets some sort of redemption after this fight.

On the other hand, I wonder who's the referee of this fight. Marga was taking a tremendous beating in the later rounds, and it seems it should've been stopped either in the tenth, or eleventh round.

freak
11-14-2010, 02:54 PM
from another forum:

Before:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/7d/fullj.dce290c26bab171e7b120938099a3f3f/ap-ce088ce6da12418f8c37d97174b88406.jpg

After:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/fb/fullj.91be092bdb91e7cd890c6129c9070c5a/91be092bdb91e7cd890c6129c9070c5a-getty-103722265cc090_manny_pacqui.jpg

tigerman
11-14-2010, 02:58 PM
The crowd chanted "Na Na Hey hey goodbye" in unison in the 11th round. :D



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

freak
11-14-2010, 05:42 PM
Here's a good write up for Pac's strength and conditioning coach, Alex Ariza.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/mma/boxing/11/11/alex.ariza.manny.pacquiao/index.html

yungha
11-15-2010, 01:57 AM
"margarito by late round stoppage" - robert garcia

"once i hit him, pacquiao is going to wonder, what have i gotten myself into?" - margarito

"margarito's gonna put so much pressure on him, he's gonna fold. manny might do a mike tyson and bite his ears off just to get out of the game." - brandon rios, link- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOI6iLalOxg

"freddie roach is afraid i'll beat pacquiao" - margarito, link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k4zjvOaRf4

"i think pacquiao's in trouble. tony will knock him out with an uppercut." - francisco espinoza, margarito's manager

"it's the worst moment for pacquiao to pick up this fight because now is my time." - margarito

"he gonna walk right thru him. freddie roach he fucked up, wrong move." - francisco espinoza, margarito's manager

"he gonna f#ck him, he gonna dominate him." - brandon rios

at robert garcia's oxnard gym, there's a photoshopped picture of manny's crying face on an infant's body. margarito says that's what's gonna happen after the fight.

brandon rios, looking at the american airline inflight magazine with a manny pacquiao article, points to a pac picture and says, "this is a bitch. an asshole."

margarito looks at the same picture and rips the page in half.

the only disappointing thing about today's beatdown was that manny didn't beat up that punk brandon rios as well. he was screaming and jumping as if he won a world title when all he did was beat a 3rd class bum.

yungha
11-15-2010, 01:59 AM
from another forum:

Before:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/7d/fullj.dce290c26bab171e7b120938099a3f3f/ap-ce088ce6da12418f8c37d97174b88406.jpg



jeez why would you bring your kid to your fight. the boy will probably be traumatized for life, like cotto's kid.

yungha
11-15-2010, 02:11 AM
masterful, like watching graceful ballet or a hypnotic dance. that's how to best describe manny's performance against a much bigger margarito today. if you're a true boxing fan, a true student of the sweet science, you would love today's fight and watch it over and over and over. a perfect example of a smart fighter using speed, footwork, handspeed, side-to-side movement and all other beatiful elements in this otherwise savage sport. i was scared for manny after seeing how big margo was but watching manny actually be the aggressor in this fight, to face up with that much courage and fortitude, made me tremendously proud to be pinoy.

robert garcia in the 12th round - "work the jab! work the jab!" the guy's down by around 10pts entering the final round and you're asking him to work the jab? garcia was being hyped as one of the top up-and-coming trainers but he did a miserable fail in this job. freddie roach said margo's corner was risking serious, permanent damage to their fighter by letting him continue. good think pac was a gentleman and let margo off easy in the 12th. freddie knows what he's talking about - gerry penalosa was faring much better vs juanma lopez, even landing some power punches, but he was way behind on pts and in the 10th round, freddie pulled the plug on gerry's proud stand.

Kid Cubao
11-15-2010, 09:17 AM
turned out manny had good reason why he wanted the fight stopped by the 10th: medical reports say antonio margarito broke his face, specifically in the orbital area, or the bone that supports the top part of our eye socket. makes you wonder if the game officials working the fight, from referee laurence cole to the ring doctor, intentionally dragged the fight in order to spite margarito and his disgraced record. the impression i got is that they all wanted to make sure the tijuana tornado got the worst beating of his life at the hands of manny pacquiao.

easter
11-15-2010, 09:47 AM
However; the more amazing thing is the humanity of Manny Pacquiao. His refusal to follow the blood thirsty desires of most people in the football stadium gained the respect of the world.

Schortsanitis
11-15-2010, 10:11 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-margaritosurgery111410

Margarito needs face surgery after Pacquiao

By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports

ARLINGTON, Texas – Antonio Margarito was determined to make it to the end of his fight with Manny Pacquiao on Saturday no matter what, and he wound up paying a severe price as a result.

Margarito will have surgery on Tuesday at Dallas Methodist Hospital to repair a fractured right eye socket, said promoter Bob Arum. Arum explained the surgery can’t be performed until the swelling on the eye has reduced.

Pacquiao’s speed was far too much for Margarito to handle Saturday in their bout for the World Boxing Council super welterweight title before 41,734 fans at Cowboys Stadium. Pacquiao landed fast, hard combinations from the earliest moments of the fight and Margarito could not answer.

Ringside physician Manuel Gonzalez, who started checking Margarito in the fourth round and last checked him after the 11th round, said Saturday he felt Margarito could see, so he didn’t recommend to referee Laurence Cole to stop the match. Trainer Robert Garcia said Margarito would not allow him to halt it. Pacquiao started pointing out the damage during the ninth round, but Cole did not stop the fight.

“He’s in very good spirits and he’s not in pain,” Arum said. “They just have to wait until the swelling reduces, then they can do the surgery and he’ll be released to fly home.”

Arum said Margarito’s team, including co-managers Francisco Espinoza and Sergio Diaz, remained in Dallas with him and will fly home to Southern California together on Wednesday, if he is released as expected.

Arum said that as far as is known now, the injury is not career-threatening. Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach said after the fight Saturday that Garcia “probably ruined his career by not stopping the fight.”

“On these kinds of things, you always have to wait and see, but there have been various other fighters who have had fractured eye sockets and they’ve come back to fight,” Arum said. Arum, who was attending the New York Giants-Dallas Cowboys football game Sunday at New Meadowlands Stadium, said he expected to hear pay-per-view results on Thursday. He said he’d likely get a preliminary number based upon satellite sales by Tuesday afternoon.

mighty_lion
11-15-2010, 10:57 AM
I dont get it when most articles I read mentions Manny was the aggressor in this fight. The way I see it was the reverse. All through out Margarito was a aggressor and it was Manny who is playing hit and run. Margarito's general strategy is almost the same with what Rios did. Intimidate opponents by staying in front of your opponent everytime and continue to inflict pressure.

pio_valenz
11-15-2010, 11:30 AM
That bimbo who interviewed both fighters in the dressing room said there were "seventy hundred" people in Cowboys Stadium. I'm assuming she meant 70,000 but it turns out there were only 41,000 who showed up, even less than the Clottey fight.

I think this means people aren't that interested in seeing Pacquiao fight anyone else except Mayweather. Ang tanong: papalag ka ba Floyd?

Kid Cubao
11-15-2010, 11:34 AM
manny danced only a few rounds, which i think he purposely did as a change of pace. they both stood toe to toe against each other, with manny becoming the counterpuncher because of his speed advantage. like what the color commentator said, margarito became overly defensive after seeing and feeling pacquiao's rapid 6-punch combinations. toward the later rounds, you would notice that margarito was already looking at manny's feet just to know where he's at because both his arms were at high guard just like clottey.

oca
11-15-2010, 01:56 PM
If that report I read was true Manny was quoted to have said he wouldn't want to have another fight at this weight, he felt the punches of a heavier opponent and his punches couldn't score the customary knock down. Then, this fight has clearly defined the limits for Manny.

Anong magandang laban pa ang naghihintay para sa ating lahat?

For all the legal troubles hounding Mayweather, my gut feel is this fight will happen. A fight with Manny is exactly the solution Floyd Jr. needs for his problems.

Yung ex na binugbog niya, pangakuan niya ng ng "guaranteed share" sa purse from the fight. Yung sa IRS, mababayaran niya na rin marahil.

Kaya malinaw, this is a fight that will help Mayweather settle the lawsuits he is facing.

Of course, I am assuming, the suing parties are amicable to a settlement at yung batas nila dun ay pinahihintulutan ang settlement.

yungha
11-15-2010, 02:04 PM
If that report I read was true Manny was quoted to have said he wouldn't want to have another fight at this weight, he felt the punches of a heavier opponent and his punches couldn't score the customary knock down. Then, this fight has clearly defined the limits for Manny.



yan din ang ok kay manny - while other fighters will say their opponent never hurt him, manny was honest enough to say that he was hurt in the 6th round. in fact in the postfight interview you could see him leaning against roach. and in another postfight interview with popoy juico, manny's arms were wrapped around his chest. i wouldn't be surprised if pac had a couple of bruised ribs.

yungha
11-15-2010, 02:09 PM
manny danced only a few rounds, which i think he purposely did as a change of pace. they both stood toe to toe against each other, with manny becoming the counterpuncher because of his speed advantage. like what the color commentator said, margarito became overly defensive after seeing and feeling pacquiao's rapid 6-punch combinations. toward the later rounds, you would notice that margarito was already looking at manny's feet just to know where he's at because both his arms were at high guard just like clottey.


this was why alex ariza took exception to margarito getting caught taking ephedrine before the fight. ariza felt that the ephedrine dulled margo's pain and made him want to go on and finish the fight despite his face turned into bloody mess. without the ephedrine, margo would have quit as early as the 10th round. that's why it's a banned substance.

here are all these guys accusing manny of taking illegal substances yet it's margo who gets caught taking ephedrine and before, floyd getting caught taking xylocaine.

easter
11-15-2010, 06:21 PM
A good argument why Pacman is the best ever.

Pacquiao, though, is far more dominant against his opposition than the likes of Leonard and others ever were versus theirs. Ali had grueling battles against guys like Joe Frazier and Ken Norton. Leonard was in pitched battles with Duran, Hearns and Hagler.

At this stage, Pacquiao’s only measuring stick is history. As great as Leonard was, he never dominated multi-time champions the way Pacquiao is doing. Leonard was exceptionally fast, a hard puncher, a smart defensive fighter and as tough as they come, but Arum wasn’t willing to say he was Pacquiao’s equal.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/15112010/58/pacquiao-best.html

oca
11-15-2010, 06:42 PM
Just saw a video interview of Manny taken early morning after the fight.

Alam nating walang injury sa paa o leg si Manny, but his body was tilted as he was walking. Mukhang matindi talaga yung tama sa tagiliran.

Probably the first time he got hit that hard that made him say he wouldn't want to fight at this weight again.

Schortsanitis
11-15-2010, 10:26 PM
I saw an article that said, "Manny might not have the 'Hands of Stone', but he definitely has the 'Balls of Stone'".

Kung medyo mahina-hina ang puso at tapang ni Manny, baka di na siya umubra dun sa body shot ni Marga. It's likely that at the very least, Manny had a bruised rib, just because of that punch.

Schortsanitis
11-15-2010, 10:52 PM
Marga really can punch. And the article below shows how close Pacman was to losing, were it not for his heart and will:

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http://www.gmanews.tv/story/205974/report-pacquiao-recovering-after-winning-eighth-world-boxing-title#

Report: Pacquiao recovering in LA after winning 8th world boxing title

Article posted November 15, 2010 - 10:11 AM

A day after making boxing history by winning his eighth world boxing title, Sarangani Rep. Emmanuel "Manny" Pacquiao is reportedly recovering from blows to his kidney.

Pacquiao's adviser Rex "Wakee" Salud said Pacquiao sustained blows to his kidney during the sixth round of his World Boxing Council (WBC) super-welterweight fight against Mexican Antonio Margarito at the Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas on Sunday (Manila time).

"Medyo nagkuwan ang katawan niya ... Natamaan siya sa sixth round sa kidney (His body is hurting a bit. He was hit in the kidney in the sixth round)," Salud said in an interview on dzBB radio on Sunday.

However, he said Pacquiao still got a clean bill of health from his doctor, adding that the boxing icon's urine and blood tests were "normal so far."

An earlier report on dzBB radio said Pacquiao suffered pains on the chest and the other areas where Margarito hit him.

His wife Jinkee had to assist him in walking during the Thanksgiving Mass after the bout, the report added.

The report also said many celebrities visited Pacquiao hours after his victory over Margarito.

People's champ

Manny Pacquiao or Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao is an eight-division world champion, the first boxer in history to win 10 world titles in eight different weight divisions.

The Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) has named him "Fighter of the Decade" for the 2000s.

He was rated as the number 1 pound-for-pound boxer in the world by several sporting news and boxing websites, such as The Ring, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, NBC Sports, Yahoo! Sports and About.com.

He is the first active boxer to become a congressman in the Philippines. – VVP, GMANews.TV

yungha
11-16-2010, 12:46 AM
However; the more amazing thing is the humanity of Manny Pacquiao. His refusal to follow the blood thirsty desires of most people in the football stadium gained the respect of the world.


story goes that pac clinched in the 10th round and whispered to margo, "you will exit with dignity. i will let you finish."

Kid Cubao
11-17-2010, 10:00 AM
i don't normally cut-and-paste online articles; however, i feel this piece deserves to be read in its entirety. by one of the most lyrical boxing writers today, whose real identity i have yet to confirm but strongly suspect to be the one and only frank deford.

Onward, Christian Soldier
By Springs Toledo


Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
~ Luke 6:36


After the title match between Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito was signed in July, trainer Freddie Roach holed up for hours to study the fight films of Margarito. As he watched and analyzed his style, he began to compare performances. Soon suspicions mounted. He concluded that Margarito’s gloves were loaded against two opponents –Kermit Cintron and Miguel Cotto. “You look at those guys after the fight,” Roach said, “It looked like a truck hit them.” A few of his own fighters had sparred with Margarito during that time and what they told him connected the dots of his theory. Rashad Holloway, one of those fighters, considered suing Margarito. He suffered a broken eye socket while training with the former welterweight champion about two years ago. “I don’t think he’s really recovered from that yet,” said Roach. Had it been his decision, Margarito would have been suspended from boxing for life after he was caught cheating in January 2009. Instead, Roach gave a bitter nudge to karma: “I hope Manny Pacquiao kicks his a** for all those people [he hurt] out there.”

Margarito was taken by ambulance to the hospital early Sunday morning. The facial injuries he suffered included a broken nose, cuts and severe swelling around the eyes, and a broken orbital bone –that is, a broken eye socket. He spent the night under the care of physicians. He remains there as of this writing.

The fight didn’t begin badly for the bigger man. After the third round, Margarito returned to his corner and said “he can’t hurt me.” Then the bell rang for the fourth and within moments it became painfully clear that Pacquiao –notwithstanding dramatic size and strength disadvantages, could hurt him. Margarito emerged from an exchange with a damaged right eye. Two minutes later he emerged from the round with a new CompuBox record: he had never before been punched more times in one round. His hubris, before and during the fight, seemed to have a price in blood. A crowd of 41,000 watched a beating that would have won the approval of any subscriber to the Law of Retaliation.

In nearly every minute of the next six rounds, Margarito was taken apart by an offensive machine that some might have mistook for the Hammer of Justice. By the end of the tenth round, Margarito’s face was bludgeoned into a mask of disfigurement and pain. The roars of Cowboys Stadium were like echoes across nineteen centuries, blending with the roars of the Flavian Amphitheater in anticipation of a finality most brutal. The referee stopped the action a few times to ensure that Margarito could see out of his right eye but did not stop the slaughter. When it became clear that his corner would not intervene either, only one figure was left to stand between Margarito and the shadow of death –and it was the most unlikely one.

Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest fighter that anyone alive has ever seen. In 1947, his fists killed Jimmy Doyle in a title bout. Robinson was horrified. The coroner asked if he “noticed that Doyle was in trouble at any time.” Robinson’s answer is the answer of any man who fights for a living: “—Getting him in trouble is my business.”

Manny Pacquiao responded strangely. He responded not as a gladiator but as a practitioner of the Golden Rule. He knew that Margarito was no longer a threat to anyone but himself, and sensed that the man was in mortal danger. In the eleventh round he stopped punching, looked at the referee, and pleaded for mercy. “Look at his eyes, look at his cuts,” Manny told him, and then us, “I did not want to damage him permanently. That is not what boxing is about.” Despite the exhortation of the crowd and the glory that would come with a late-round knockout of the most menacing fighter he ever faced, he began punching less and pulling his punches.

…Manny carried Margarito.

“I feel pity to him,” said the greatest fighter of this generation.

I feel pity to him.

His mother named him Emmanuel –which means “God with us” and hoped that he would grow up to be a Roman Catholic priest. She armed her son with the disarming faith of the Christian poor, the complete faith of those whose frailty is ever before them, whose survival is dependent on God and human kindness. It is said that when you are flat on your back, you have nowhere to look but up. And it is a matter of record that the Almighty looks down. This God of sparrows and small things “raises up the poor from the dust,” Psalm 113 reads,

lifts the beggar from the dung hill,
Seats them with princes,
the princes of his people.

This champion and congressman was once destitute on the streets of Manila. Today’s mythical fists were once miserable hands opened for alms. He remembers when he himself was on the brink of collapse –and he remembers who carried him through it.

He felt pity for Margarito because he knows that Margarito is him.

The wisdom that Manny has taken from a religious mother and his own life experience begins with humility; it whispers to him like a slave riding beside a conqueror in an ancient Roman parade: memento mori –“remember thou art mortal.” This conqueror knows how dangerous pride is to the human soul. “That’s the problem of being human,” Manny said in a recent interview, “the person’s success of his career. I feel happy but I won’t put [that] in my head because if you put that in your head, you’re going to be crazy: ‘Oh, I’m Manny Pacquiao’… You can be changed of what you are before.” With feet planted squarely on the ground, Manny looks askew at anyone puffed up enough to actually believe that their success is their own doing.

All power, he believes, is given from above. His is no exception.

Two thousand years ago, someone special told his ragtag band of followers that the power of faith can move mountains. In overcoming the sixth straight champion above his natural weight division, Manny proved him right yet again. This time, his faith moved Margarito. Margarito, whose blood atonement was right out of the Torah; Margarito, who was carried in the last round almost as gently as a good shepherd would carry an injured lamb –or a broken man.

“I know God is always by me,” Manny told the world, “I always praise God before …everything.”

Amen.

u2
11-18-2010, 02:23 PM
another excellent article here:

http://michaeldsellers.weearth.com/2010/11/14/pacquiao-margarito-what-we-can-learn-from-the-humility-empathy-and-grace-of-manny-pacquiao/

easter
11-18-2010, 04:13 PM
It is ironic that Manny's legendary stature would grow even more because Margarito did not go down. The 12th round became special since it showed kindness and the interview showcased humility to a cynical world. 8)

Jeep
11-19-2010, 11:22 AM
i don't normally cut-and-paste online articles; however, i feel this piece deserves to be read in its entirety. by one of the most lyrical boxing writers today, whose real identity i have yet to confirm but strongly suspect to be the one and only frank deford.

Onward, Christian Soldier
By Springs Toledo


Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
~ Luke 6:36

Manny Pacquiao responded strangely. He responded not as a gladiator but as a practitioner of the Golden Rule. He knew that Margarito was no longer a threat to anyone but himself, and sensed that the man was in mortal danger. In the eleventh round he stopped punching, looked at the referee, and pleaded for mercy. “Look at his eyes, look at his cuts,” Manny told him, and then us, “I did not want to damage him permanently. That is not what boxing is about.” Despite the exhortation of the crowd and the glory that would come with a late-round knockout of the most menacing fighter he ever faced, he began punching less and pulling his punches.

…Manny carried Margarito.

“I feel pity to him,” said the greatest fighter of this generation.

I feel pity to him.

His mother named him Emmanuel –which means “God with us” and hoped that he would grow up to be a Roman Catholic priest. She armed her son with the disarming faith of the Christian poor, the complete faith of those whose frailty is ever before them, whose survival is dependent on God and human kindness. It is said that when you are flat on your back, you have nowhere to look but up. And it is a matter of record that the Almighty looks down. This God of sparrows and small things “raises up the poor from the dust,” Psalm 113 reads,

lifts the beggar from the dung hill,
Seats them with princes,
the princes of his people.

All power, he believes, is given from above. His is no exception.

Two thousand years ago, someone special told his ragtag band of followers that the power of faith can move mountains. In overcoming the sixth straight champion above his natural weight division, Manny proved him right yet again. This time, his faith moved Margarito. Margarito, whose blood atonement was right out of the Torah; Margarito, who was carried in the last round almost as gently as a good shepherd would carry an injured lamb –or a broken man.

“I know God is always by me,” Manny told the world, “I always praise God before …everything.”

Amen.


idol talaga si SIR MANNY. (believe me, if we had a system of knighthood in this country, this guy TRULY deserves the title).

for someone who didn't undergo formal training in the rigors of our Faith (i.e., Christian Life Education or CLE), the Pacman exemplifies an understanding and internalization of our Faith that is sadly lacking in many of us so-called catholic school-educated snobs -- or is given mere perfunctory recognition with the usual sunday obligation. his is almost pure and childlike.

sure, he has had his pitfalls (apparently a weakness for beautiful women and a tendency to disregard legal obligations -- he has another pending lawsuit from a recording company). but he knows when he's made a mistake and mans up. and over and above it all, he is certain -- he knows by his faith -- that the Lord will see him through it all.

pure and childlike. i can very well say he is living up to his name -- "God with us." (malapit na nga pala ang Pasko; next week, adviento na. :) )

tigerman
11-21-2010, 10:05 PM
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