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Schortsanitis
11-16-2009, 11:46 PM
Okay, folks, it looks like its really gonna happen. And PBF has already started the trash-talk.

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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12048_5697507,00.html

Floyd Blast for Pacquiao: Mayweather Ready for 'One-Dimensional' Pac Man

Last updated: 16th November 2009

Floyd Mayweather says he is ready for a mega-money fight with Manny Pacquiao and believes the new WBO welterweight champion is "one-dimensional".

Pacquiao cemented his claim to be the best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet when he stopped Miguel Cotto in Las Vegas on Sunday.

Immediately after the Pac Man's triumph at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, trainer Freddie Roach put Mayweather in the Filipino's sights.

But Mayweather has already upped the stakes ahead of any match-up, saying the Filipino lacks the variety to trouble him.

In an exclusive interview with Sky Sports' Adam Smith, the American said: "The thing is with Pacquiao I don't see any versatility as a fighter; he's a good puncher but just one-dimensional."

Mayweather also believes he is on a hiding to nothing in taking on the fight and would be expected to win easily.

"I'm in a no-win situation. If I beat Manny Pacquiaodo you know what they are going to say? 'You are supposed to beat him, you are Floyd Mayweather, you are the bigger man'. If I knock him out they'll say 'you're supposed to knock him out he's been knocked out before'.

"I'm in a no-win situation and when I beat him no one is going to be surprised because he's been beaten before; whatever I do to Pacquiao has been done before - he's been beaten on three occasions. And if I knock him out I don't want the world shouting because he's been knocked out twice before.

Step Up

"The world's going to go 'wow' if Floyd Mayweather gets beaten. That's what everyone is looking to see."

Pacquiao was reticent to talk about his plans for future fights in the immediate aftermath of his victory over Cotto, saying: "My job is to fight in the ring and I think that depends on (Top Rank's Bob) Arum my promoter to negotiate that fight. I'm just going to take a vacation first and spend time with my family and have fun."

Mayweather thinks the Filipino is running scared.

"When they asked Manny Pacquiao 'would you like to fight Floyd Mayweather' he said talk to my promoter; they didn't ask your promoter they asked you, what do you want to do?

"Manny Pacquiaowas asked the same question 'do you want to fight Floyd Mayweather' three times. This is something the world is trying to force on him. If he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather all he has to do is step up to the plate."

What is certain is should the fight go ahead, both men will enjoy a bumper pay-day although publicly Mayweather has said he would only fight Pacquiao if he got the lion's share of any purse.

And should the two men meet, the man who now calls himself 'Money' knows he will be in for another cash windfall.

"If I go out and make $60-75million in one night; come on - I'm not losing."

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Here's the link to the video, by the way, just to get your blood-boiling:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid13706332001?bctid=50447376001

yungha
11-17-2009, 03:07 PM
say what you want about floyd but he's the most technically skilled and fundamentally sound boxer in the world today. he's also naturally bigger and stronger than pac. of course that's what everyone also said before pac fought diaz, oscar, hatton and cotto. but floyd is the most skilled fighter pac will ever face, a modern day sugar ray leonard. it'll be an uphill climb for manny. i don't see him getting KO'd but this is a fight he can lose widely on points as floyd is also the best defensive fighter out there. manny though is better-conditioned and still faster. floyd may match manny's speed in unloading 1-2 combinations but manny can throw 12-punch combinations like he did vs cotto and oscar. and floyd doesn't train as hard as manny which may be bad considering was gone from the sport for 2 years. manny doesn't mind getting hit, floyd hates getting hit. if manny can remain fresh in the late rounds and start tagging floyd, floyd may start making mistakes, fatigue may play a factor, and our pambansang kamao might yet pull another rabbit out of the hat.

curiously, though, betting lines opened in vegas for this proposed fight and manny supposedly opened as an 8/5 favorite.

Kid Cubao
11-17-2009, 03:16 PM
^^ yun nga nakakatawa. di pa nag-uusap sina bob arum at richard schaefer, nagsisimula na ang betting lines. palibhasa ang dami nang atat sa laban na ito. this has got to be the most anticipated fight since oscar de la hoya vs tito trinidad in recent years.

let's see. i have a sneaking suspicion that PBF will start training a good two months before fight night, if and when it comes to pass. he's going to train like hell against pacman, because everybody knows that manny's main motivation is to wipe the smirk out of mayweather's mouth once and for all.

easter
11-17-2009, 03:53 PM
say what you want about floyd but he's the most technically skilled and fundamentally sound boxer in the world today. he's also naturally bigger and stronger than pac. of course that's what everyone also said before pac fought diaz, oscar, hatton and cotto. but floyd is the most skilled fighter pac will ever face


Most skilled and naturally bigger yes to that but not necessarily stronger. Cotto is way above Mayweather in strength and Manny wasn't even wobbled when he got tagged numerous times.

yungha
11-17-2009, 05:58 PM
Floyd Blast for Pacquiao: Mayweather Ready for 'One-Dimensional' Pac Man

"I'm in a no-win situation. If I beat Manny Pacquiaodo you know what they are going to say? 'You are supposed to beat him, you are Floyd Mayweather, you are the bigger man'. If I knock him out they'll say 'you're supposed to knock him out he's been knocked out before'.

"I'm in a no-win situation and when I beat him no one is going to be surprised because he's been beaten before; whatever I do to Pacquiao has been done before - he's been beaten on three occasions. And if I knock him out I don't want the world shouting because he's been knocked out twice before.



"A hero need not be undefeated. But he must be undaunted." - Andrew Bernstein

Schortsanitis
11-17-2009, 11:02 PM
I, too, want to see that bastard PBF shut up. But that backpedalling son of an illiterate will likely beat Manny on points, just like he did with ODLH.

easter
11-18-2009, 08:04 PM
Floyd be careful of what you wish for...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-4KgTA1bag

yungha
11-19-2009, 12:49 PM
Floyd be careful of what you wish for...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-4KgTA1bag


wow, it took pac all of 3 seconds to dispell the notion that he's avoiding floyd. so what's floyd's next excuse?

Jaco D
11-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Why not make it a winner-take-all fight with the loser getting nothing - not even a token amount to cover fight prep expenses? Everybody and his aunt knows that Gayweather is only interested in the money here because of his screw-ups with the government. Win or lose, he gets the moolah to keep the IRS hounds at bay. I'd like to hear his alibis if a winner-take-all scenario unfolds considering he'll be deeper in the hole even before the fight starts. As for Pacs, puwede niyang abonohan ang kalaban niya kung gusto niya.

Semenelin
11-19-2009, 02:59 PM
PBF vs the DJs = LINK (http://bunyanchopshop.blogspot.com/2009/11/floyd-mayweather-vs-ra-ruggedman.html)

yungha
11-19-2009, 05:03 PM
Why not make it a winner-take-all fight with the loser getting nothing - not even a token amount to cover fight prep expenses?

a reasonable alternative would be 45-45, with the winner getting the remaining 10%.

oberto
11-22-2009, 10:25 PM
di kilala si floyd sa pagkakaroon ng malakas ng kamao. kung nakayanan ni manny ang mga binitawan ni cotto, malinaw kakayanin nito ang kay floyd.

basta huwag lang maiinis o mapipikon si manny sa paghabol kay floyd. dahil tiyak walang gagawin ang daldalero kundi ang mag-backpedal at susundot ng isa o dalawang suntok manakanaka.

yungha
11-24-2009, 10:34 AM
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auJ2R0E--jk&feature=player_embedded)

kahit galit si pac, mahinahon pa rin.

bluebruiser90
11-24-2009, 11:04 AM
Pacman shouldn't fight that clown. Joy Mayweather needs the money, Pacman doesn't. Punish him for not showing any respect and ditch the fight. Screw him and his crackhead father. Pacquiao doesn't need to prove anything anymore. He already has a stake on the Greatest of All Time tag and is definitely the best of this generation.

mighty_lion
11-24-2009, 11:10 AM
Undoubtedly Pacman has the to power to knock Mayweather down. The issue will always be what strategy to employ so that Pacman can land those power punches at the right target.

Mayweather is a good counter puncher but I dont think he is at par with JMM in this skill. At least thats how I see it. Mayweather punches maybe stronger but JMM's reflex and handspeed is much better.

Hatton quoted in Philstar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=526268&publicationSubCategoryId=69)


“I think Mayweather would win because he’s just so good defensively and hard to hit. (But) Pacquiao gets better with every fight. I didn’t fancy him against Miguel Cotto earlier this month but he smashed him to bits. I was blown away,” Hatton told the UK press.

“If I had to put money on it I’d tip Mayweather though. He has the style and shuts up shop so you can’t nail him. Mayweather is so good he doesn’t let you get any punches off. If he makes Pacquiao miss he’ll take the sting out of him.

“But I’d rather watch Pacquiao though. Mayweather will go down as one of the all time greats but I wouldn’t get up at four o’clock in the morning to watch him. He bores the s*** out of me. He should have knocked Juan Manuel Marquez out in September but didn’t, it was safety first all the time,” he added.


If there is hope Manny can score a KO on Mayweather, it is because he keeps getting better and better each fight and Manny is aiming for history more than money (Monney is already a given). Just prepare to be impressed.

Loyolalista
11-25-2009, 10:22 AM
If the fight pushes through, the only ones who will get knocked out will the audience, PBF will bore the S--T out of them by running away. One Dimensional? Then what do you call a guy who runs away every single time he fights even if its with somebody who is half his size? PBF was lucky he won against ODLH. I honestly thought Oscar did enough to win.I Hope the PacMonster beats up PBF badly, ikanga Dila lang ang walang pasa!

tigerman
11-25-2009, 05:15 PM
FLOYD MAYWEATHER SR.: "PACQUIAO CAN'T FIGHT AT ALL"

http://pacman-vs-mayweather.blogspot.com/2009/11/floyd-mayweather-sr-pacquiao-cant-fight.html



More fuel for Pacman.


USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

mighty_lion
11-25-2009, 05:33 PM
If Pacman is using the world's best performance enhancing drugs, then Mayweather is smoking the best weed in the land.

bluebruiser90
11-25-2009, 11:16 PM
Floyd Mayweather, Sr. = Crackie

Loyolalista
11-26-2009, 10:09 AM
If the fight pushes through, the only ones who will get knocked out will the audience, PBF will bore the S--T out of them by running away. One Dimensional? Then what do you call a guy who runs away every single time he fights even if its with somebody who is half his size? PBF was lucky he won against ODLH. I honestly thought Oscar did enough to win.I Hope the PacMonster beats up PBF badly, ikanga Dila lang ang walang pasa!

Lucas Palaka
11-26-2009, 10:48 AM
^^ So what's the point of quoting your earlier post? Do you think the readers didn't get it the first time around? ;D

newbombay
11-27-2009, 10:37 AM
I highly doubt that "Money" will settle for anything less than 60-40 in his favor. What Manny can do is take that bait, beat Gayweather til he's white, then take the bigger chunk from the rematch which people will undoubtedly ask for

easter
11-28-2009, 03:50 PM
One article says that it is now Floyd who needs this match more than Manny.

"Prior to the Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao fight, there was considerable doubt a Pacquiao-Mayweather showdown would ever happen. The modest Pacman felt, and still feels, no urgency to fight Mayweather simply because being No. 1 is not important to him. That would have allowed Mayweather the luxury of continuing his claim to the mythical pound-for-pound title without risking a loss to Pacquiao."

It seems that Pacquiao is teaching the American media how sports can be fun again without the ever increasing craving to be number 1.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091128/SPORTS/911280328

Kid Cubao
11-29-2009, 07:13 AM
the article is basically saying that floyd mayweather can no longer duck manny pacquiao. it was pacman who, after walloping miguel cotto, set up a collision course with mister moneyman in order to prove once and for all who's the big kahuna in the boxing world. on the other hand, manny can afford to cherry-pick his next opponent--he can fight the winner of the andre berto vs shane mosley fight in january, get a crack at an 8th title against aspiring rabbi yuri foreman, the new WBO light-middleweight champ, or jump straight into the lion's lair to challenge the winner of the fight between paul williams and sergio martinez, who replaced kelly pavlik, at light-middleweight.

of these fighters, watch out for paul williams. this fighter is so intimidating, he's widely regarded as the most avoided boxer in the world. there are speculations that pavlik faked his reported staphyloccus infection and a hand injury to back out of the december 5 fight date. sergio martinez agreed to take pavlik's place--on condition that his WBC light-middleweight belt shall not be put on the line. he reminds fight fans of a young tommy hearns in height, reach, and slugging style, except that he's a southpaw and, by all indications, has a sturdier chin and legs. however, i believe manny's hall of fame career would be over by the time williams's turn is up.

Schortsanitis
11-29-2009, 11:37 AM
Paul Williams is a freak of nature, an even "freakier" freak than Pacman. He is a 6'1" boxer who can weigh in at 147 lbs., and yet still maintain his speed. On top of that, he throws tons of punches per round.

So you have a fast, very tall fighter who is super active. I don't think Pacman, or anybody else can beat that guy at 147 lbs.

pio_valenz
11-29-2009, 12:43 PM
Her's what ESPN Page 2's Bill Simmons has to say about a Pacman-Floyd fight in his weekly mailbag, which further suports the notion that Floyd is ducking Manny:

Q: If the boxing higher-ups had any sense whatsoever they would give us Pacman/Mayweather in six months. I would stop everything to have a fight night party for this event. I have not paid for a boxing event since Holyfield/Lewis in 1999 but I would spend at least $300-$500 to see this. What is the holdup?
-- Seth Johnson, Middletown, N.Y.



Simmons: It's going to be disappointing. Just warning you now. Floyd Mayweather Jr. could never in a million years trade punches with Manny Pacquiao. He will be on his bicycle for 12 rounds. There is no way that, at this point in his life, Mayweather wants any part of Pacquiao, a concrete-headed, indefatigable freak of nature who can finish with either hand from every angle. If Mayweather gets in the ring, he'll end up doing more laps than Steve Prefontaine did for the University of Oregon. Just keep your guard up when you're spending that $64.95.



(Important note: Will I be spending that money? Of course! Happily! I made the decision during Pacman's glorious evisceration of Miguel Cotto that he finally had reached the exalted "I Don't Care Who You Are Fighting, I Am Watching It Live & That's That" status, which puts him in the following company: Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Tyson. My own personal Mount Rushmore. Pacquiao hit Tiger/Federer status about a year ago, and nobody cared. That's why he needs the Mayweather fight so badly. We've seen dominant pound-for-pound guys these past two decades, but nobody with finishing power anything like what Pacman has. He's like a coked-up Aaron Pryor, only without the coke. Insane. If he's fighting, I am watching.)

Schortsanitis
11-30-2009, 12:42 AM
http://www.newsday.com/columnists/greg-logan/no-financial-road-blocks-to-pacquiao-mayweather-1.1627018

No Financial Road Blocks to Pacquiao-Mayweather

November 28, 2009 By GREG LOGAN greg.logan@newsday.com

Word is that the first meeting last week between Manny Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum and Floyd Mayweather representative Richard Schaefer was so good that "it was almost shocking," one anonymous boxing business source said.

Top Rank's Arum and Schaefer, who is CEO of Golden Boy Productions, have a strong relationship, and it was just the two of them who sat down for a face-to-face lunch with no attorneys present to hash out the numbers and take them back to the fighters. There's a gag order in effect until the negotiating process reaches its conclusion, but there were no major hangups regarding money for a fight Arum previously said could generate $80 million in revenue. The best indications are that a deal is very close with only some relatively small details remaining to be worked out.

The target date for the fight looks like May 1, but there's no indication yet of the site. Las Vegas casino owners have offered to construct a temporary stadium on the Strip, and Arum also has an offer from Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to hold the welterweight title bout in the Cowboys' new stadium.

It should be noted this is just the beginning of a process. Mayweather has been known to make difficult demands in the past, and Pacquiao is back in the Philippines, where he works through his attorneys. No contracts have been drawn up yet and Arum and Schaefer are likely to meet again soon. But the simple fact that no major financial roadblocks came up in the first meeting is the best indication that the fight the public wants to see will get done. And soon.

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easter
11-30-2009, 08:10 AM
of these fighters, watch out for paul williams. this fighter is so intimidating, he's widely regarded as the most avoided boxer in the world. there are speculations that pavlik faked his reported staphyloccus infection and a hand injury to back out of the december 5 fight date. sergio martinez agreed to take pavlik's place--on condition that his WBC light-middleweight belt shall not be put on the line. he reminds fight fans of a young tommy hearns in height, reach, and slugging style, except that he's a southpaw and, by all indications, has a sturdier chin and legs. however, i believe manny's hall of fame career would be over by the time williams's turn is up.


The problem with Williams according to observers is that he started out as a true middleweight and then went down to welterweight. The difference between him and the Pacman is that while the latter is fighting bigger guys, the former is muscling it out against smaller ones. True that other boxers are avoiding him but by going small, is he avoiding the ones at middleweight as well?

Kid Cubao
11-30-2009, 08:54 AM
if we're talking about street weight, then i'm almost certain that paul williams would be a natural 175-180-pounder because of his size. by the same token, manny pacquiao would be around 150-155 pounds away from the square ring. siguro kasi mabilis umubos ng calories pag nagte-training because of his metabolism, kaya pwedeng lumaban at a much lower weight.

about the part that paul williams started as a middleweight: there is no record of him debuting at the 160-pound class. what i do know is that when he first became welterweight champion, he actually lost his title in his first defense (forgot the guy who outclassed him). however, he regained his welterweight title by bludgeoning the very same dude who earlier beat him. that's when his welterweight opponents started avoiding him like a leper gone amuck ;D they either go up in weight, or down in weight. of course, floyd mayweather jr would have none of paul williams. the first time around, kelly pavlik elected to go up in weight to fight bernard hopkins than him. kaya nga naghinala ang marami na umiiwas na naman sya.

i share schort's view that paul williams would be too much for manny pacquiao. props to manny, though, for having the balls to actually even consider him in his future fight plans.

menker
12-01-2009, 12:55 PM
the buck should stop with floyd. i even think MP should retire after beating him. it would break my heart to see Manny lose when he gets older

pio_valenz
12-02-2009, 04:09 PM
^Depende yan sa outcome ng laban, both in terms of the fight itself and the revenues generated. If it will be a close fight, action-packed that goes the distance and PPV hits will hit the roof, then you can be sure there will be a rematch. And if in the rematch the loser of the first fight wins, then naturally there must be a rubber match to complete the trilogy and make mucho dinero for everyone involved.

Kid Cubao
12-03-2009, 05:50 AM
the mayweather camp has agreed in principle to fight manny pacquaio--on march 13. they know manny is still recuperating from a busted right eardrum, and when they agreed to a fight date much earlier than expected, the mayweather family essentially is trying to pin team pacquiao as the one ducking the other, not the reverse. not only that, the mayweathers now have a ready excuse when contractual negotiations bog down for insisting on the said date. nasa dugo talaga ng pamilyang ito ang mang-ogags.

advice to manny and freddie roach: don't get suckered into this thinly-veiled trap set by the mayweathers. make sure you're in 100 percent fight shape when you square off with PBF. stick to a fight date in the month of may and onward.

razor
12-03-2009, 10:42 AM
^

The start of the campaign period for local elections is March 26. I doubt if Manny and his political advisers will agree to forego campaigning (inorder to train) for that congressional seat in Saragani.

The best scenario is for Manny to start training middle of January 2010 - assuming his ear and wrist have completely healed - to get in about 8 to 10 weeks of training for a March 20 fight.

mighty_lion
12-03-2009, 01:23 PM
Pwede nyang gawin magpalabas ng free live showing ng laban nya sa mga baranggay sa Saranggani ng March. Tingin ko mas malaki impact nun kesa mag-ikot ikot sya sa Sarrangani from Jan to March.

That said, sana hindi na muna sya tumakbo. He can concentrate on politics after 35 maybe even when he is 40 years old. Sa totoo lang yong kikitain nya in the next two-three years assuming hindi sya magreretire baka mas malaki pa sa kinita nya in the past. Kung gusto nya talaga tumulong sa mga tao, merong ibang paraan.

easter
12-04-2009, 09:21 AM
advice to manny and freddie roach: don't get suckered into this thinly-veiled trap set by the mayweathers. make sure you're in 100 percent fight shape when you square off with PBF. stick to a fight date in the month of may and onward.


I agree. They can talk all they want but the evidence shows that Manny has never ducked anybody in the ring. Let them wait.

coreytaylor
12-05-2009, 11:21 AM
Adviser: Pacquiao to fight Mayweather in March
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Aq1YbRbT.NXaGHlXLdEjxCI5nYcB?slug=txpacq uiaomayweather&prov=st&type=lgns

MANILA, PHILIPPINES(AP) —Manny Pacquiao is likely to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. on March 13 after agreeing to a proposal from promoter Bob Arum on Friday.

Arum presented “what he thought was the best proposal he can bring” during a two-hour breakfast meeting with Pacquiao in Manila, said Michael Koncz, an adviser of the Philippine boxing idol.

“Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn’t think was a problem,” Koncz said. “The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn’t feel it’s a problem and it’s pretty much a done deal.”

He said the contract still needs “fine tuning,” declining to elaborate.

“We all believe that it will be done,” he said.

In an interview with GMA television, Pacquiao said, “March 13 is OK.”

“The difference between Floyd and others I have fought is that Floyd makes a lot of trash talk that should not be imitated by young people,” he said.

Arum could not be reached for comment.

Koncz, who is in charge of Pacquiao’s boxing promotion company in Nevada, said Pacquiao is “very comfortable” with the date.

Pacquiao is running for a congressional seat in May 2010 elections and official campaigning won’t start before April.

If the bout goes ahead, it will match two men regarded as the best pound-for-pound fighters.

Boxing fans have been looking forward to a super fight between Pacquiao and the undefeated Mayweather after the Filipino champion defeated Miguel Cotto last month.

The March 13 date comes four months after the Cotto fight - a shorter period of time than the six months after Pacquiao defeated Ricky Hatton. But Koncz said it will be enough time for Pacquiao to get back in shape.

“Nobody knows his body better than Manny,” he said. “If Manny feels that that’s plenty of time to rest and recover, then you know, he has to do what he feels is right.”

He said Pacquiao “cannot train for more than seven weeks.”

If the fight is made, there would likely be a Jan. 11 press conference in New York to announce it. The bout could be the richest ever, assuming pay-per-view projections are accurate.

Representatives of the Superdome in New Orleans and the new Dallas Cowboys’ stadium have expressed interest in hosting the fight, as has the MGM Grand hotel-casino in Las Vegas, where the fighters have fought their biggest fights. There is also a proposal for a 30,000-seat temporary stadium on the Las Vegas Strip across from the Wynn resort.

Oddsmakers are already taking bets on the fight, with most making Mayweather a slight favorite.

Dark Knight
12-05-2009, 11:30 AM
GO FLOYD MAYWEATHER JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beat the crap out of Manny!!!!

;D ;D ;D

(surely someone here is going to question my nationalism, patriotism, pagiging Filipino and all that bullshit)

coreytaylor
12-05-2009, 11:47 AM
GO FLOYD MAYWEATHER JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beat the crap out of Manny!!!!

;D ;D ;D

(surely someone here is going to question my nationalism, patriotism, pagiging Filipino and all that bullshit)

At least nagpakatotoo ka BK ;D

fujima04
12-05-2009, 03:51 PM
GO FLOYD MAYWEATHER JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beat the crap out of Manny!!!!

;D ;D ;D

(surely someone here is going to question my nationalism, patriotism, pagiging Filipino and all that bullshit)


Pareng DK,

If time comes that I'm gonna cheer for Manny's opponent, definitely it will not be for Gayweather. :D

Maybe pag all-Filipino championship.

But against Gayweather? It's Manny all the way! ;D

Emon74
12-05-2009, 05:30 PM
Pacman can outpoint Floyd Mayweather, watching his victory over Miguel Cotto, sa tingin ko Floyd is not invincible, kaya ni Manny yan.

abcdef
12-05-2009, 11:11 PM
I haven't really followed mayweather's career. . . . I just want to know if he's got the punching power? Mas malakas ba siya kesa kay Cotto?
How about his ring smarts?

Kid Cubao
12-06-2009, 05:30 AM
not a lot of punching power, but he's as technically flawless as michael jordan is in basketball. lightning-quick hands, almost impossible to hit directly because of his defensive prowess. his ability to bob and weave and parry punches is a sight to behold. has beaten a lot of great fighters, but also ducked a lot of equally great fighters like shane mosley, paul williams, joshua clottey, antonio margarito and until very recently manny pacquiao. for all his bluster and hip-hop vibe, he is actually the most conservative fighter once inside the ring. meanwhile, a modest and easy-going pacquiao becomes a veritable tsunami of destruction who not only beats but annihilates BIGGER boxers.

this fight is destined to be the biggest fight of the early 21st century. honestly, i think mayweather can win if he fights from a safe distance by jabbing and counterpunching. however, he's dead meat if he ever tries to trade punches with pacman because i'm certain our guy can take mayweather's hardest hits. on the other hand, manny can win if he takes it to mayweather and keeps his guard up at all times. volume punching is the key for pacman. all it takes is one solid left to penetrate mayweather's vaunted defense out of a typical seven, nine, or eleven-punch combination that pacquiao typically rains down when his opponent's on the ropes, and it'll be over for pretty boy.

pio_valenz
12-06-2009, 09:48 AM
March 13 is just a little too close for comfort, IMHO. If Manny hasn't fully recovered yet from his damaged right ear, then that could pose problems during training. Palagay ko kaya pumayag kaagad si Gayweather ng March 13 n date. Alam niyang pabor sa kanya.

mighty_lion
12-06-2009, 07:33 PM
I have been reading several boxing forums and same Manny doubters favors Mayweather. Pinagka-iba lang, hindi na daw sila pupusta laban kay Pacquiao. Buti naman nadala na. Nalubog na yata sa utang kakapusta laban kay Pacquiao. ;D

coreytaylor
12-07-2009, 03:13 PM
I have been reading several boxing forums and same Manny doubters favors Mayweather. Pinagka-iba lang, hindi na daw sila pupusta laban kay Pacquiao. Buti naman nadala na. Nalubog na yata sa utang kakapusta laban kay Pacquiao. ;D

ML, what site are you visiting? May I know coz I want to read some boxing forums.

lurkinggood
12-08-2009, 01:05 AM
Makisingit lang.... here's one site....

http://www.mannypacquiao.ph/

yungha
12-11-2009, 11:59 AM
not a lot of punching power, but he's as technically flawless as michael jordan is in basketball. lightning-quick hands, almost impossible to hit directly because of his defensive prowess. his ability to bob and weave and parry punches is a sight to behold. has beaten a lot of great fighters, but also ducked a lot of equally great fighters like shane mosley, paul williams, joshua clottey, antonio margarito and until very recently manny pacquiao. for all his bluster and hip-hop vibe, he is actually the most conservative fighter once inside the ring. meanwhile, a modest and easy-going pacquiao becomes a veritable tsunami of destruction who not only beats but annihilates BIGGER boxers.
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true, there's no discernible technical weakness to pretty boy. if there's any weakness it's mental, his abhorrence for getting hit. you hit him a couple of times and it irritates the hell out of him, making him prone to mistakes. but he can get hit. he was hurt vs zab judah, demarcus corley and the first fight with jose luis castillo which many argue should have been won by castillo. if you want to see how floyd would deal with a fast fighter like pac, watch mayweather-judah on youtube. zab is arguably as fast as manny but only good for 1 or 2 power punches as against manny's 5 or 6. zab really took it to floyd in the early rounds and arguably scored a flash KD in the 2nd. in the later rounds, though, floyd turned boxer and frustrated zab with precision counterpunching.

so bottom line, manny has to find ways to penetrate floyd's defenses and get in good combinations early. no use training to box because no way will floyd be the aggressor in this fight despite being the bigger fighter.

coreytaylor
12-21-2009, 09:45 AM
Vegas chosen site of Pacman megafight
By Abac Cordero (The Philippine Star)
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=534550&publicationSubCategoryId=69

MANILA, Philippines - It didn’t come as a surprise that the Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather fight did land in Las Vegas.

“As far as we know it’s always been Vegas,” said Pacquiao’s adviser, Mike Koncz, yesterday when news broke out that promoters have already agreed to stage the fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Koncz, who was with Pacquiao yesterday afternoon, said he expects an announcement to come very soon as to the final details of the fight that is scheduled to take place on March 13.

The state-of-the-art Cowboys Stadium in Dallas made a spirited bid to host the fight, probably the biggest in boxing history, and owner Jerry Jones reportedly made a $25 million offer to get it there.

But Vegas is just the place to hold a fight of this magnitude.

“There’s no other place to hold it than Vegas. With all the casinos and the high-rollers coming over, it’s just hard to match. Nasa Vegas ang pera (The money is in Vegas),” said Pacquiao’s lawyer, Franklin Gacal.

“It’s the MGM. It’s definite,” an article that came out of fanhouse.com quoted a source as saying, and that the choice was based on both fighters’ “familiarity with the location as well as their past success there.”

According to reports, the MGM Grand could generate as much as $28 million in live-gate sales. Also in store are 40,000 closed-circuit seats through MGM/Mirage properties, and at $100 a head could present a total package of $32 million.

And that’s enough to quash Dallas’ $25 million offer.

Pacquiao has fought six times at the MGM Grand, winning four (against Lehlo Ledwaba, Oscar dela Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto), losing once to Erik Morales and drawing once with Juan Manuel Marquez.

Mayweather, on the other hand, has fought six times at the MGM during his unbeaten run of 40 fights. His wins at MGM came against Gregorio Vargas, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Dela Hoya, Hatton and Marquez.

The Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is expected to generate more than $100 million, and both fighters, guaranteed of at least $25 million each, could get as much as $40 million when everything comes in.

A press conference, a major one, is scheduled Jan. 6 in New York and two days after another one will take place in Los Angeles. There will be no press tour for this fight which the whole world wants to see.

The fight is set at 147 lb and Pacquiao’s WBO welterweight crown, which he took from Cotto last month, will be at stake. They will use 8-ounce gloves, and both camps have also agreed to random drug testing weeks leading to the fight.

There’s no confirmation whether both fighters have signed the fight contract, but now that it’s all been agreed upon, there’s no reason for them to hold back and get it done.

easter
12-23-2009, 10:51 AM
Now that the venue has been settled there is another annoying suggestion by the Mayweathers about Olympic Drug Testing. It is true that if you have nothing to hide then no problem, but why the double standard here? Do they mean all the great fights in the past and all the Nevada Drug Testing done on great boxers are now suddenly suspect? Is it just because they have not seen a fighter like the Pacman in their sport that they are resorting to this? If it is good enough then why isn't it good enough now?

If they really want the drug testing and Pacquiao's camp is confident that they have nothing to hide, maybe they can set this condition... since it is Floyd who wants this Olympic drug testing so much, if Manny is negative then Floyd should pay him $10 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4766171

yungha
12-23-2009, 12:40 PM
i said it before, i'll say it again - floyd didn't expect pac to agree to a march 2010 fight. floyd saw how bad pac was hurt vs cotto, he knew about pac's election plans, he heard freddie roach say how it would be ideal if manny fought around june. so floyd called manny out to fight on march 2010. lo and behold, manny accepted. now the mayweather camp's trying to weasel out of the fight without losing face.

this fight will push thru, no question, but it won't be on march 13, 2010, and the mayweathers and golden girl promotions will make it seem like manny's fault.

fujima04
12-23-2009, 05:42 PM
Testing issues could derail Mayweather-Pacquiao

By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports
8 hours, 36 minutes ago

Buzz up! PrintNearly every detail is finalized for Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao to fight on March 13 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas but one. That one detail, though, may kill the fight.

Negotiations are at an impasse over Pacquiao’s failure to agree to random Olympic-style drug testing, said Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, on Tuesday.

Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach said his fighter is willing to comply with strict drug-testing standards, but Roach won’t allow Pacquiao to have blood drawn 48 hours before the fight.

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Ellerbe said he would not let Mayweather enter the ring unless Pacquiao agreed to it.

Both sides agreed that the drug testing issue is the only hurdle preventing the fight from being finished. Earlier Tuesday, Golden Boy Promotions officially requested March 13 from the Nevada State Athletic Commission to host the show.

“As Floyd’s management, we are insistent that there be a level playing field,” Ellerbe said. “This is in the best interests of the fighters, the fans and the sport. If you want a level playing field, the best way to do it is to have Olympic-style, random drug testing administered by the premier agency in the world, the [United States Anti-Doping Agency].”

Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said the demand is “absolutely crazy,” done simply to harass Pacquiao, who is squeamish about needles, and is proof that Mayweather doesn’t really want the fight.

Arum said the request has been an unsettled issue since the first day of negotiations last month.

“We’re not going to agree to have Manny give blood in training, because that’s stupid,” Arum said. “Every doctor in the world will tell you that is stupid. He’ll give his blood at the beginning of the year and he’s willing to be urine-tested 24/7, but blood doesn’t show [expletive] and he’s not going to do it.”


Michael Koncz, Pacquiao’s adviser and de facto manager, said Pacquiao believes drawing blood so close to a competition harms the body, but the boxer is willing to have his blood drawn a month away from the fight as a compromise.

Koncz said Pacquiao was willing to pass on the fight if it came to that.

“Manny has a lot more options than Mayweather does,” Koncz said. “Manny is clean and he’s never done a thing, and he’s willing to go to great lengths to prove it. It’s my understanding that this stuff doesn’t just leave your system overnight.

“He’ll take a blood test immediately after the fight, if that’s what they insist upon. But Manny believes very strongly that it would be harmful to him to draw blood that soon before the fight and he plain and simple isn’t going to do it.”


In a statement released by his publicist, Mayweather said he is willing to submit to the testing. There was never any suspicion that Pacquiao had ever taken banned substances until earlier this year, when Floyd Mayweather Sr. suggested he was on steroids.

Pacquiao has passed every urine test he’s been given in connection with boxing matches.

“I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don’t know anyone who really does,” Mayweather said in his statement. “But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same.

“It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night. I hope that this is either some miscommunication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by USADA.”

Blood tests for illegal drugs and banned substances are not required by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which would have regulatory control of the bout if it is held in Las Vegas.

In Nevada, a fighter is required to submit to a blood test that screens for HIV and Hepatitis B and C, as well as other blood-borne diseases, as part of the requirement to gain a license.

A license in Nevada is good for one year. In Pacquiao’s case, he received his 2009 license shortly before he fought Ricky Hatton in May. He submitted his blood to the commission between April 5 and April 20, said Keith Kizer, the commission’s executive director.

Kizer said all fighters who fight in Nevada are subject to random urine tests as well as any other medical tests, such as an MRI or a CAT scan, that the commission deems necessary. Arum said Pacquiao is willing to submit to testing by an outside agency but won’t give his blood. Roach said it’s an issue because Mayweather’s side has been insisting Pacquiao give blood as close as 48 hours within the fight.

“We’ll accommodate their requests and do urine testing up the wazoo and we’ll agree to have them done by an outside agency,” Arum said. “Manny has nothing to hide. But he’s not going to give blood because that’s crazy. He’ll do it at the beginning and he’ll do it at the end. That’s how it is done. Ask some former Olympic boxers how many times they give blood.”

Ellerbe said having the testing administered by USADA would quell suspicions about the procedures or the result.

“This is no rooty toot organization,” said Ellerbe, who noted that such testing was accepted by elite athletes such as LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Michael Phelps and Lance Armstrong.

Roach scoffed at such talk and said it won’t matter to him if the fight is not held.

“I really don’t care, because Manny doesn’t need Floyd Mayweather,” Roach said. “The tests he’s requesting are not commission tests, they’re not boxing tests and this is not an Olympic sport. A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

The World Anti-Doping Agency successfully used blood testing at the 2004 Olympics in Athens to test for HGH.

lurkinggood
12-24-2009, 12:29 AM
I still believe that the fight will push through. The blood sampling issue is too small a reason to call off the big fight. The drama it created made the match more exciting though.

Let's get it on and see how Manny beats Money to pulp...

Kid Cubao
12-24-2009, 07:43 AM
it's a ploy to mess with the head of manny. allegedly, the blood tests will be administered to detect the use of human growth hormones by pacquiao, since HGH cannot be detected through urine testing. however, upon a cursory review of the medical literature, it takes both urine and blood testing methods to fully trace the presence or absence of such muscle-building substances.

which is not the point, i think. no amount of creatine, HGH, and related muscle-building substances will help a boxer absorb a blow to the face. hit him flush in the jawline or the T-area, and it's lights out. if anything, a 12-round title bout would require both strength AND stamina, and it's the stamina aspect that's lost in the shuffle here, especially if the fight extends beyond the sixth round.

the trouble with olympic-style drug testing is that it's taken randomly, meaning pacquiao will have no clue when they'll draw blood, how much blood they will draw, and how many times. dyan pa lang, mababalisa ka na, di ba? besides, the nevada state athletic commission has already demonstrated the efficacy of its drug testing methods when they suspended shane mosley after testing positive for steroids and HGH. yes, shane mosley tested positive under their watch. so golden boy go-fers, are you saying you don't trust the NSAC at all? if so, then why insist that the fight be held in vegas in the first place?!?

like yungha said, the mayweather camp is backpedaling with manic desperation after manny called their bluff for a march fight date. they're thrown monkey wrench after monkey wrench to bring the negotiations to a halt, and at this point it seems they have succeeded in pushing the dream fight to a later date. for me, no problem--freddie roach has always maintained the march 13 event is too soon anyway ;D

easter
12-24-2009, 11:30 AM
Ganito lang yan, may mga bagay bagay na kinakain or medical procedure na iba ang epekto sa bawat tao.

May mga tao na walang epekto ang kape pero may ibang di nakakatulog. Kung may lakad ka ng 5am bukas, iinom ka pa ba ng kape sa gabi kung di ka nakakatulog dahil dito? Siyempre hindi.

Kung si Manny nanghihina kapag kinunan ng dugo, eh di wag sya magpakuha. Kung ayaw nila eh di walang laban. Si Floyd naman may kailangan nitong laban na ito.

fujima04
12-25-2009, 01:12 AM
It's on again
By: Gerry N. Ramos
journal.com.ph
Pacquiao agrees to take 3 drug tests

SIGNS that the super-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is not yet dead surfaced Thursday when Top Rank Promotions’ Bob Arum gave it a semblance of life by proposing a new schedule and a different agency that will conduct the drug testing procedures to be done on the two boxing superstars.

“Let’s be very clear on the real issues we differ on. It’s not about being tested,” said the 78-year old Arum, who owns the promotional rights on the Filipino boxing champion.

“Manny is on board with that since it’s such a major concern of Floyd Mayweather Jr. It’s about who does the testing and the scheduling of the procedures.”

The Mayweather camp the other day suggested that an Olympic-standard, random pre-fight blood tests to be handled by the USADA (U.S. Anti-Doping Agency) be conducted on both fighters before their March 13 welterweight bout based on suspicions that Pacquiao is taking performance-enhancing drugs.

Floyd Mayweather Sr. was the first to raise the issue shortly after the Filipino scored a devastating second round knockout of Ricky Hatton last May. Mayweather Sr. was the chief trainer in Hatton’s corner.

Under the procedure, random urine and blood testing would be made on both Pacquiao and Mayweather throughout their training camps, during fight week or even the day of the bout itself, and immediately after the match.

Pacquiao, regarded as the world’s top pound-for-pound fighter today, has not failed any drug test in the U.S. as conducted by the Nevada State Athletic Commission in Las Vegas, where the Filipino regularly fights, and other state agencies through post-fight urine tests, and in some case, pre-fight urine tests.

While initially hesitant, the Pacquiao camp eventually relented to the urine and blood testing process, but on conditions that it will not be made random style.

Arum also is not in favor of tapping the services of USADA, and instead, suggested to employ another independent body more adept at handling drug testing issues at the professional level.

“Manny will submit to as many random urine tests requested,” Arum said. “Regarding the blood tests, he will subject himself to three tests -- one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one 30 days from the fight, no later than Feb. 13, and the final one immediately following the fight in Manny’s locker room.”

“He’ll give them blood, but he wants to know it will stop at a particular point,” Arum said. “He wants the fight. But he’s a proud guy. He won’t be pushed around by this guy (Mayweather).”

The Top Rank big boss likewise mentioned that it will be better to get the services of drug testing agencies involved in U.S. pro sports such as the NBA and NFL.

“Our suggestion is to utilize any of the independent agencies that work with the National Football League (NFL), the National Basketball Association (NBA) or Major League Baseball, since they administer drug testing for their professional athletes,” Arum added.

“I know if I deal with an organization that deals with pro athletes we can agree to the protocol.”

The Harvard-schooled promoter didn’t hide his reservations with the USADA.

“The United States Anti Doping Agency cannot do it because they will not amend its procedures to accommodate the blood testing schedule we have outlined. USADA, under its guidelines, would have the right to administer random blood tests as many times as they want up to weigh-in day and that is ludicrous,” he said.

Arum is hoping that a compromise be reached by both parties on Thursday (Friday in Manila) in order to save a fight billed this early as one of the biggest in the annals of boxing history and expected to gross around $200 million.

But Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather’s top adviser, is adamant in pursuing their earlier demand for a random-style drug testing to be administered by USADA.

“We’re sticking to what we’ve been saying,” Ellerbe said. “Manny Pacquiao or any of his representatives are not going to dictate random testing. That’s the whole point of random testing, so you don’t get a chance to study for the test.

“USADA is the premiere agency for doing this, the gold standard. They’re not going to have Top Rank, Mayweather Promotions or Golden Boy Promotions (which represents Mayweather in negotiations with Top Rank) dictate to them. It’s pretty simple. Manny Pacquiao can put an end to this whole thing by stepping up to the plate and doing this.”

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Never did I realize before that boxing or any other sports can be this complicated.

oberto
12-25-2009, 07:19 AM
^
Basta huwag lang masabing naduduwag sila kay Pacquiao kung ano-ano ang inihahain nila sa mesa para huwag matuloy ang laban.

easter
12-25-2009, 09:43 AM
Kung ako si Pacquiao tigilan na nya itong laban na ito. $40 million nga wala naman kuwenta ang usapan. Ang daming makakalaban. Andyan si Mosley, si JMM, si Foreman. O di kaya mag pulitika na lang or mag-artista. Ang daming pwedeng gawin kesa naman sumabak sa walang kwentang usapan.

Jaco D
12-25-2009, 04:58 PM
^^ I agree. Pax and Arum should just walk away from negotiations and not even exert effort to get the fight done unless Golden Boy Productions and Gayweather start acting as professionals instead of hucksters. GBP/Gayweather will certainly flap their lips like crazy chickens when this happens (they're doing it right now), but once everything settles down they'll realize that they need this fight more than Pax/Arum. Once that notion sinks into their heads (assuming it does) you can bet the farm a different GP/Gayweather will be knocking at Arum's door to jump start fight negotiations. Pax and Arum have been forthright as far as trying to make this thing work. But if they have to deal with this kind of BS, then they might as find better uses of their time.

easter
12-25-2009, 05:49 PM
Now Pacquiao is angry and will sue the Mayweathers.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-31702.html

coreytaylor
12-25-2009, 05:57 PM
Now Pacquiao is angry and will sue the Mayweathers.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-31702.html


this is what im waiting for. i just cant stand it when manny and his camp were doing nothing while gayweather is making false accusations and destroying manny's reputation as a professional boxer.

enough is enough, gayweather.

yungha
12-26-2009, 10:53 PM
Promoter balked at blood testing for Mosley in 2008 By J. Michael Falgoust, USA TODAY

Just last year, Golden Boy Promotions was against blood testing when one of its fighters, Shane Mosley, was asked to submit to it for a fight in Las Vegas.

Mosley, who admitted to taking designer steroids in 2003 inadvertently before a fight with Golden Boy president Oscar De La Hoya, consented to any form of drug testing before facing Zab Judah but the promoter objected.

Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer told AP at the time that he'd consent to whatever testing that was required by Nevada State Athletic Commission and nothing more. The NSAC tests urine before and after fights but not blood at random like the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

A proposed March 13 superfight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather has fallen through over Olympic-style drug testing. Mayweather wanted the Filipino to accept random blood testing by USADA. Pacquiao agreed to three tests, including two before their bout.

"Whatever tests they want them to take, Shane will submit to that. We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires," Schaefer said. "The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one."

Judah wanted testing immediately on Mosley as well as right before and after the bout. Judah was injured before the fight could take place and it was cancelled.

Mosley, who is facing Andre Berto on Jan. 30, is a potential future opponent for Pacquiao.

yungha
12-26-2009, 11:11 PM
i've been reading some online forums and scuttlebutt is bob arum's counteroffer contains the ff:

- random, unlimited tests up to 3 days before the fight but conducted by the nevada state athletic commission, not USADA. mayweather said NO. (GBP's schaefer and dela hoya reportedly has close ties with travis tygart, ceo of usada.)

- floyd was offered USD10M monetary reward if any of pac's tests came in dirty. mayweather said NO.

Loyolalista
12-27-2009, 08:08 AM
Floyd Jr. has found the chicken hole he can crawl into to avoid the fight. The thing, the Mayweather family is all mouth, no brains. Now Pacquiao does not have to fight him to make a lot of money. The Mayweathers avoided the fight, but will lose a lot of money paying off the suit. Mas matalino si Pacquiao kesa buong angkan nila ;D

pio_valenz
12-27-2009, 11:14 AM
When the steroid scandal in the MLB broke, there were merely weak denials from the players suspected of using PEDs. But none of them ever thought of clearing their name or going to court and suing those who were accusing them. Why? Because, as it turned out, they were really guilty.

Once this drug testing issue is finally resolved, Mayweather will finally run out of excuses. Unless he suddenly comes up with a mysterious injury while training.

yungha
12-28-2009, 12:37 PM
vivek wallace youtube video on the steroid controversy. i used to respect wallace, a regular contributor for eastsideboxing.com but then here he comes with a column and video full of baseless accusations and contradictions.

link here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d57UKalqL8)

- on the age issue. yes pac's been through some wars but he's gotten smarter as he got older. he's gotten better at bobbing and weaving, moving in and out, not getting hit, using his superior foot speed, not just standing in the middle going toe to toe. as a result, he hardly got hit vs diaz, dela hoya and hatton. that lessened the wear and tear on his body. in the past 2 yrs he only really got hit vs marquez and cotto.

wallace also used the michael jordan analogy, how jordan started using jumpshots rather than just dunking over people as he reached 30, saying he used "ethical means" to stay on top of his game, indirectly accusing manny of using unethical means to get to the top of his.

- KO percentage, manny's KO% goes up as he moves up in weight. it's not just an issue of raw power but technique. manny always had power but he was wild with his punches. now he's more precise, more surgical, more efficient. pac's KO vs hatton and the 2nd KD vs cotto were not so much raw power but perfect timing, pinpoint accurate hits to the jaw just as hatton and cotto were open and a bit offbalance from throwing jabs, which made them more susceptible to go down. now tell me, is that type of precision the product of steroid use?

it comes with maturity, being a smarter fighter and his willingness to listen to freddie. most fighters stop trying to improve at that stage or their careers or after winning their first title. pac has won 7 titles yet he still listens when freddie speaks.

mighty_lion
12-28-2009, 01:14 PM
This article makes more sense than absorbing Mayweather Sr's baseless arguments.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Rumble/entry/view/48832/is_pacquiao_impossible?_why_steroid_accusations_ar e_baseless

Way back then the concern on Pac's side was will he slow down because his rehydration is a plus 12-15 lbs from his official weight.

yungha
12-28-2009, 01:58 PM
^ galing! great analysis.

yungha
12-28-2009, 02:02 PM
Mayweather rejects Arum's final proposal - News

by Harold Kupelle: According to Yahoo Sports, Floyd Mayweather's adviser and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told Yahoo that they have declined promoter Bob Arum's final proposal for the drug testing methods to be brought to the Nevada Athletic Commission for them to decide next month. Arum, who promotes Manny Pacquiao, had set a Monday deadline for the offer to be accepted or declined, saying that if it was declined, he would begin negotiations for a fight between his fighter Manny Pacquiao and former IBF light welterweight champion Paulie Malignaggi.

Mayweather and Golden Boy Promotions want blood testing to be done for both fighters randomly up until the fight. However, Pacquiao and his team want the blood testing to be conducted three times - once at the kick off, and then 30 days before the fight and the day after the fight.

“It does not make sense for this to become a commission matter," Schaefer said. "This is a contractual matter. The commission did not decide the weights or the purse split or how the foreign television rights would be sold. If this is Bob’s final ultimatum, then that’s what it is. That is his decision if he wants to take that position. I very much hope this fight can be made, but the reason it is at a standstill is because of the way they have handled things.”

Mayweather's adviser Ellerbe chimed in “Random is random. We are all intelligent people and we know what random testing is. That is what we want and it has not changed.”

easter
12-28-2009, 04:52 PM
Mayweather rejects Arum's final proposal - News

“It does not make sense for this to become a commission matter," Schaefer said.



So who tested for drug traces during all those fights in Nevada all these years? The Nevada State Commission does not make sense now because it is Pacquiao?

mighty_lion
12-28-2009, 05:08 PM
Lebron James should be tested for steroids or any performance enhancers too. How come a 6'8 260 lbs guy can run as fast as speedy point guard, hit the right more powerful than most centers in the NBA and has elevation higher than those 200 lbs guards/forwards. ;D

easter
12-29-2009, 08:45 AM
This fight is almost at the trash can with the GBP camp saying that they will hold onto their position and it is Manny who is stalling the fight.

Good riddance then.

yungha
12-29-2009, 01:37 PM
manny's willing to do the blood test immediately after the fight, whether in the locker room or right in the ring if need be. i mean, what can manny take before the fight that won't be detected mere minutes after the fight? manny has been clear in his stance all along - he doesn't want blood taken from him days BEFORE the fight. after the fight, no problem. as for urine tests, kahit ilan beses pa, ok lang.

and contrary to what golden girl says, there have been complaints about how one weakens with excessive blood testing -

Drug Testers Go After Powell

Jamaican sprint star Asafa Powell, who recently lost the men's 100 world record, complained that he had been drug-tested four times since his arrival to Beijing two weeks ago, expressing concern about the amount of blood the tests required.

Unlike in U.S. professional sports, Olympic drug-testing includes the examination of blood anand urine.

"About 2 days ago, I got pretty upset, because since I've been here, they have tested me 4 times, and took blood, a lot of blood," Powell said during a meeting with reporters as Nike's downtown headquarters in Beijing. "They are taking so much blood that we are going to be very weak for the finals of the 100 meters."

Added Powell: "I accept how important it is. They say that they're doing over 4,000 tests. But, it's just difficult. But hopefully they can catch all those on it and make the Olympics very clean."

The heats of the 100 begin Friday, and Powell's matchup with current world-record holder USain Bolt and reigning world champion Tyson Gay is considered one of the most anticipated events of these Olympics.

Powell was widely criticized after fading in the 100 at the world championships in Osaka, Japan, last year, and then acknowledging that the pressure had gotten to him.

"In Osaka, if I would have run like I was running in practice, I would have been the winner in that race," he said. "I was thinking of stuff I shouldn't be thinking of... If I go out and think like I'm supposed to, I'll be the winner."

Schortsanitis
01-03-2010, 10:25 AM
Forget about the Gayweather fight. Manny should start focusing on a fight with possibly Mosley instead, or even Yuri Foreman.

mighty_lion
01-03-2010, 03:41 PM
I read lately that Mayweather is looking for possible bout against Matthew Hatton.


Who?




Wait, OMG! Another Gayweather move. Sure win baby. ;D

Schortsanitis
01-03-2010, 04:03 PM
'Tangin_ng Gayweather iyan.'

Hatton was destroyed by Pacman in two rounds. Mosley is there. Cotto is there. So why the fuc_ pick the smaller Hatton?

Floyd Gayweather Jr. is an insult to boxing.

mighty_lion
01-03-2010, 04:20 PM
That guy is not even the over-rated Ricky Hatton. ;D

razor
01-06-2010, 11:49 AM
Groups were in mediation for 9 hours
By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com


After nine hours in mediation on Tuesday, the camps of Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. did not reach a resolution in their effort to overcome their differences in finalizing a super fight between the top two pound-for-pound fighters in the world.

If a deal is reached, the welterweight title bout is supposed to take place March 13 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Top Rank's Bob Arum and Todd duBoef, along with their legal team, Golden Boy's Richard Schaefer, Oscar De La Hoya, their legal team, and Mayweather manager Al Haymon spent the day with mediator Daniel Weinstein at offices in Santa Monica, Calif., hoping to pave the way for potentially the richest fight in boxing history.

On Monday, Arum said the fighters were supposed to have been available by telephone.

After beginning the process at 9:30 a.m. PT and leaving at approximately 6:30 p.m. PT, no deal had been reached.

"Mediation is still ongoing," one of Top Rank's lawyers told ESPN Deportes' Jaime Mota.

Weinstein has placed a gag order on all parties.

It is unclear if the talks will resume on Wednesday.

When reached on his cell phone, Arum said he had no comment because of the mediator's gag order. DuBoef said the same thing in an e-mail to ESPN.com. Schaefer did not respond to a message.

Weinstein, a retired federal judge, knows the parties well. He mediated a June 2007 settlement when Top Rank and Golden Boy were embroiled in a series of lawsuits, including a brutal battle over ownership of the promotional rights to Pacquiao, who had signed contracts with both companies before eventually pledging his loyalty to Top Rank.

Under that agreement, the various lawsuits were dropped and Top Rank retained Pacquiao's promotional rights, with Golden Boy receiving a percentage of Top Rank's profits from his bouts.

The agreement worked well for the past two years as the companies co-promoted several major bouts, including Pacquiao-Ricky Hatton, Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez II, Pacquiao-Marco Antonio Barrera II, Bernard Hopkins-Kelly Pavlik and Miguel Cotto-Shane Mosley.

But the bad blood boiled again during the final stages of negotiations for Pacquiao-Mayweather.

They had agreed to everything in the deal except for the method of drug testing for the boxers.

Although the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which would oversee the bout, requires only urine testing, Mayweather has insisted on random blood testing. Both sides have already agreed to unlimited random urine testing.

Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs), who didn't want any blood testing, agreed to take three blood tests: one during the week of the kickoff news conference, which would take place next week if they can make a deal, one random test to be conducted no later than 30 days before the fight and a final test in his dressing room after the fight. Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs) would be subject to the same testing procedures.

Besides Weinstein trying to mediate a resolution to the drug testing issue, there is also the matter of the defamation lawsuit Pacquiao filed last week in Nevada U.S. District Court against Mayweather Jr., Schaefer, De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions.

Pacquiao alleges that they made false and defamatory statements and sullied his reputation by accusing him of taking performance-enhancing drugs. Pacquiao denies he has ever used PEDs and has never failed a drug test.

At issue is also Golden Boy's continued involvement in Pacquaio's contract. With Golden Boy representing Mayweather and allegedly accusing Pacquiao of using performance enhancing drugs, Arum believes it has diminished Pacquiao and that Golden Boy should no longer be entitled to share in the money his bouts generate, especially when it also is making money off Mayweather.

If the mediation fails, Arum has repeatedly said he will match Pacquiao with junior middleweight titlist Yuri Foreman, whom he also promotes, on March 20 at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas so Pacquiao could attempt to win a title in a record-extending eighth weight division.

Mayweather could still fight on March 13 at the MGM Grand and potentially face former junior welterweight titlist Paulie Malignaggi.

Kid Cubao
01-07-2010, 02:17 PM
floyd mayweather chickened out yet again after insisting on random blood testing despite manny pacquiao agreeing to be tested 24 hours before the fight. tsk, tsk. clear as day that it's mayweather who's not ready and badly needs a tune-up fight. cherry-picking time for PBF's win no. 41. whattaguy ;D

yungha
01-07-2010, 04:21 PM
Cubao, manny's proposal was 24 days not 24 hrs. neither side budged much from the negotiations.

easter
01-07-2010, 04:55 PM
Interesting tidbit here:

"Manny accepted what was on the table and Mayweather rejected it," Arum said. "Haymon and Schaefer tired to convince Floyd all [Tuesday night] and [Wednesday] and he wouldn't agree to it. He didn't want the fight. He never wanted the fight. I always knew the fight wouldn't happen."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4803490

The fight was almost on, even the GBP boys were ok with it since they knew that millions of dollars will be lost. But it was really apparent Floyd does not want to fight. So much for that.

Schortsanitis
01-07-2010, 10:13 PM
My take: The fight will happen. Eventually.

Mayweather is just trying to get under Pacman's skin.

And I tell you, he is doing one hell of a job out of it. LOL.

Loyolalista
01-07-2010, 10:35 PM
I hope it happens. But I will not surprised if it doesn't. PYB is pretty comfy in his chicken hole.. His cowardice has overcome his greed.

pio_valenz
01-08-2010, 01:30 AM
Here's one superbly-written article that lays the blame squarely at the feet of the Floyds and GBP.

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/izenbergcol/index.ssf/2010/01/izenberg_finally_sounds_of_sil.html

Kid Cubao
01-08-2010, 04:53 AM
Cubao, manny's proposal was 24 days not 24 hrs. neither side budged much from the negotiations.


yes, and i thought i already corrected my slip-up when i originally edited my post. hindi pa pala ;D

Loyolalista
01-08-2010, 08:56 AM
pio_valenz:

Thanks for sharing. It is very witty and one of the most entertaining articles I have read regarding this issue.

Raging Blue
01-08-2010, 08:57 AM
Just you wait until Gayweather Jr. runs out of money. By then he will be kissing the posterior of Pacquiao begging for a fight.

Kid Cubao
01-08-2010, 09:05 AM
like schortsanitis, i believe this is just a postponement of the inevitable. they will fight, just not this early. while others say the delay was intended to properly hype a fight of this magnitude, my gut feel tells me it's because mayweather is not yet ready to deal with pacman's fists and finishing power. in contrast, manny is ready to go.

yungha
01-08-2010, 11:00 AM
great article pio. izenberg hit it right on the head that the mayweathers partnered with Golden Girl Promotions is one lethal combo. full of contradictions. i especially like this -

Meanwhile the actual Golden Boy (fairly tarnished by the beating Pacquiao gave him) exhibits the kind of logic worthy of “Alice in Wonderland.” After Pacquiao made him quit on his stool, he said that Pacquiao really didn’t hit hard, leading you to believe Oscar had been stoned into submission by a barrage of wet marshmallows. Now he suddenly reverses his field and says Pacquiao’s punches felt the same as Mosley and Vargas (both flunkers of steroid tests). As a blogger he is about as good a fighter as he was that night he froze against Pacquiao.

i don't like arum much, but if that snake needs to be in this fight it's good he's on our side and i love how he's taking it to golden boy.

bit of trivia i posted in the other thread:

first fighter ever signed by golden boy - marco antonio barrera
first fight ever promoted by golden boy - pacquiao - barrera 1

now you know why golden boy's attacks on pac are so personal.

yungha
01-08-2010, 11:34 AM
more contradictions from floyd's camp:

over 300 athletes tested for HGH in athens olympics using blood testing, zero detections - link here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/01/AR2007020100268.html)

over 1000 athletes tested for HGH in beijing olympics using blood testing, zero detections - link here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/01/AR2007020100268.html)

olympic athletes themselves sardonically called the beijing olympics the HGH Games due to well-known widespread use of the drug. and yet none were detected. and yet schaefer says this is the most effective way to detect HGH use?

Schortsanitis
01-08-2010, 12:28 PM
Pissed off with Floyd Mayweather Jr.? Then spread this picture around, especially on FOREIGN forums and websites:

http://www.esnips.com/nsdoc/9cda64b0-1752-4060-87a1-888f95745a89

(Courtesy of the "Manny Pacquiao" page on Facebook)

Schortsanitis
01-08-2010, 01:01 PM
And, oh, you can change your avatar on FB, etc. to it, too. :D

yungha
01-08-2010, 01:52 PM
another article -

Olympic Tests Have Never Detected HGH in an Athlete: USADA Backs Urine (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321178-olympic-tests-have-never-detected-hgh-in-an-athlete-usada-backs-urine)

what's more, there's a new using nanotechnology that allows you to detect HGH in urine far more accurately than in blood. and as we all know, pac has agreed to unlimited urine tests before and after the fight.

bakla talaga tong si floyd. and that arrogant sob schaefer, akala niya bobo tayo but his statements are full of loopholes.

Posterized
01-08-2010, 04:48 PM
Read in the Top Rank site that Manny will instead fight Clottey on March 17. Still a very tough ass fight if true.

I still think this fight is going to happen though. Too much money involved for it not to push through.

pio_valenz
01-11-2010, 01:44 PM
Got this from the other site. So who's the cheater now? No wonder Floyd and GBP were very quick to veto Dallas as a venue for the fight. Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Floyd?

http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/2212/2010-01-09.html

http://hometestingblog.testcountry.com/?p=6051

Kid Cubao
01-11-2010, 01:49 PM
hay loko, kaya naman pala. just a thought: sakaling matuloy din ang laban ni mayweather at pacquiao, it would be wise for his corner to inject xylocaine all over his face because he's gonna need it ;D

fujima04
01-11-2010, 02:07 PM
Naloko na! Buking! Ubos pati pantubos!

Kaya pala ekspertong-eksperto pagdating sa PEDs.

abcdef
01-12-2010, 12:00 AM
Holy kang fried chicken ka!

tigerman
01-12-2010, 10:18 AM
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Rumble/entry/view/48832/is_pacquiao_impossible?_why_steroid_accusations_ar e_baseless



A very interesting article on the steroid issue against Manny.



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

Kid Cubao
01-12-2010, 11:10 AM
tigerman, na-post na po yung link mo two weeks ago. here it is below.




This article makes more sense than absorbing Mayweather Sr's baseless arguments.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Rumble/entry/view/48832/is_pacquiao_impossible?_why_steroid_accusations_ar e_baseless

Way back then the concern on Pac's side was will he slow down because his rehydration is a plus 12-15 lbs from his official weight.

oberto
01-12-2010, 11:56 AM
That it was foul-mouth Sr who made the accusation and Jr used the line to avoid fightning Pacquiao, aba, dapat bayaran ni Jr si Sr ng royalty!

mighty_lion
01-12-2010, 11:57 AM
I know majority (if not all) here are pro-Pac but can you guys come up (or at least speculate) what is (are) the reasons why Manny dont buy the 14 day blood testing cut-off.

I can think of some as follows:
- Precedent to boxing as a sport. Blood testing during training is not a norm in pro-boxing and may be a bad precedent moving forwards. All mega-fights will then look at this Pac-PBF fight as the precedent
- Disrupts the supposedly peak of boxer's training. The week where 14 days will fall is usually where the boxer reach his 100% before going to lighter training in preparation for dehydration.
- Its not necessary. It is unproven truth that blood testing is more effective in detecting PEDs/HGHs.

Posterized
01-12-2010, 12:54 PM
^
I think it's all posturing either for contract negotiations or to build up the fight itself for fans.

Tingin ko wala naman problema si Manny e. Ayaw niya lang pakita na sunud-sunuran siya kay Mayweather dahil di naman nga talaga parte ng normal na testing yang olympic type testing.

oberto
01-12-2010, 01:26 PM
The fact that Manny is now due to fight another fighter,imo, tama yung mga nag-opinyon sa simula pa lang na umiiwas si Jr. Dahil kung posturing yang lahat ng ginawa ni Jr., hindi mo hahayaan na di matuloy ang laban tulad ng nangyari ngayon.

Jr is not stupid, alam niyang walang nakakatiyak kung ano mangyayari sa mga susunod niyang laban against other fighters. Kung ma-tsambahan siya at talunin eh di mas nawalan siya ng leverage sa negotiation for a fight with Manny. Also, the fact that they are now both due to fight in March, the comparative PPV receipts will determine who has more leverage in a fight negotiation between him and Manny.

At hindi naman bulag ang Golden Boy Promotions para di makita ang PPV figures from Manny's recent fights. That Manny is the draw will become conclusive pag lumaban sila within the same time frame.

yungha
01-12-2010, 03:52 PM
...
At hindi naman bulag ang Golden Boy Promotions para di makita ang PPV figures from Manny's recent fights. That Manny is the draw will become conclusive pag lumaban sila within the same time frame.



both fights will fare poorly. both fighters had their reasons but the way they handled negotiations left a bad taste in the mouth for boxing fans. pac-clottey will probably do around 450-600k ppv buys. i think even pinoys would just watch the clottey fight on replay. i mean it was exciting at first, an electrifying small man destroying bigger men like diaz, dela hoya, hatton and cotto. but if you keep serving the same dish, if you know what's going to happen, whether it's pac by wide UD or late KO, even die-hard fans will tire of it sooner or later.

clottey isn't even as fast as cotto, has a poor KO %, doesn't have a title pac can go after, isn't charismatic. he's a brawler type who can't box, who'll willingly trade in the center of the ring, leaving him vulnerable to pac's all-angles attack. he'll swinging at empty air mostly and even if pac can't finish him off by KO he'll hit the canvas on a KD at least once.

that's why pac-floyd would've been beautiful, a true contrast in styles between 2 fighters at their peak. floyd with his impeccable defense, footspeed, slickness and counterpunching style would've been a matchup nightmare for manny. it would've taken all of manny's skill and guile to eke out a win. and in the end, kahit talo, hindi masama loob mo because you know it'll be a good fight.

but i'm with posterized on this one, i think there's too much money involved for the fight not to push thru. until the clottey fight is formally signed i'll still hold hope. maybe this is all still part of the build up. after all, the mgm grand is still reserved for a prizefight on march 13.

mangtsito
01-13-2010, 04:52 AM
Got this from the other site. So who's the cheater now? No wonder Floyd and GBP were very quick to veto Dallas as a venue for the fight. Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Floyd?

http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/2212/2010-01-09.html

http://hometestingblog.testcountry.com/?p=6051


So is it safe to say the KFC is the undisputed pound-for-pound* king? ::)

Kid Cubao
01-13-2010, 06:45 AM
mayweather will fight pacquiao. hindi nga lang kaagad, kasi nagbackfire yung una nyang bluff, which was to hold it early on march 13th--thinking that pacquiao won't bite and thereby shift the blame on manny. eh nung kumagat si manny, nag-plan B ang golden boy promotions kaya nagkarun ng olympic-style blood testing. it's all about blame shifting on the part of chicken boy floyd and his group.

on the fight itself: i will go against conventional wisdom and dare say that if mayweather-pacquiao does come to pass, i predict that it will be a boring fight, mainly because of mayweather. he will be on his back foot all night long, bob and weave with more agility than contestants at america's best dance crew, and will throw mostly feather-light punches because his hands will be on extreme guard, so no full extension and power on his part. he will do absolutely everything to avoid being tagged by manny. this is reminiscent of mike tyson's heyday in the late 80s, when opponents (or at least those lucky enough to last the distance with iron mike) would rather grapple and hold than trade punches.

which is why i'm kinda excited with manny's upcoming fight with joshua clottey, a former world welterweight titleholder. as a boxer, clottey earned the chicken boy floyd seal of approval; in other words, mayweather also ducked him. what he lacks in technique, he more than makes up for in guile. manny will no doubt overwhelm clottey with his speed and newly-developed ring smarts, but clottey will not go down easily because of his ability to take the hardest punches. for those who'd love to see a back-alley brawl, this is the one ;D

yungha
01-13-2010, 01:19 PM
actually floyd hasn't fought any of the legit top welterweights. baldomir already had 9 losses when they fought, oscar was 34 yrs old. zab judah was a tough foe but we all know zab's mentally, how shall we put it, delicate. he fought an overmatched 33-yo light welter arturo gatti, asked ricky hatton to move up to 147 from 140 then marquez from 135 to 144. and he didn't even follow the catch weight clause vs JMM, coming in at 146.

2 years ago, many tough, up-and-coming young welters like margarito, cotto, paul williams and timothy bradley starting challenging the old lions like mosley and judah. the division seemed primed to explode and revitalize boxing. that's when floyd found it convenient to "retire" aka run away. now that the smoke's cleared - bradley's moved back down to 140, williams moved up to 154, margarito's suspended, judah's still a nut, cotto's been destroyed by margo and pac, he finds it convenient to come back. and he doesn't even have the guts to face 38-yo sugar shane mosley.

you gotta hand it to pac - after cotto, he's entitled to an easy fight, an oscar larios or jorge solis type tuneup. but no he fights one of the top 5 current welters. pac looked much smaller than cotto in their fight and clottey is even bigger than cotto. i said in my previous post that pac will win vs clottey but that's because he's the michael jordan of boxing and he's up against john starks, you know who's gonna win in the end. by no means is clottey a bum. nakaka-asar lang kasi yung mga casual boxing fans who ask, huh? sino si clottey? walang kwenta yung kalaban.

pio_valenz
01-22-2010, 08:55 PM
Here's part of an article about Pacquiao and his legal battle against Floyd and Golden Boy from espn.com. Bigtime pala ang abogado ni Manny sa US:

Allegations of steroid use from the Floyd Mayweather Jr. camp resulted in the lawsuit and were part of the reason negotiations fell apart for what might have been the most lucrative fight ever. Now, if Mayweather and promoter Oscar De La Hoya cannot support their allegations, those statements might be the foundation for the most lucrative libel and slander case ever.


Pacquiao's attorney, Daniel Petrocelli, is one of America's great trial lawyers. He won a civil case money judgment against O.J. Simpson in the murders of Simpson's former wife and a friend, and he represented former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling in his fraud and insider trading trial. Although Petrocelli lost that case before a jury in Houston, he has managed to persuade the U.S. Supreme Court to review the conviction, a highly promising development for Skilling.

Litigation has always been a negotiating tool in boxing. Promoters such as Don King and Bob Arum, for example, seem to file and dismiss lawsuits as a routine stage of putting a fight deal together, but those suits rarely take a case anywhere near a conclusion. Petrocelli and Pacquiao, though, appear to be doing something different. The drafting and the factual material included in their lawsuit go well beyond the usual court filing, and will force the Mayweather people and De La Hoya into careful consideration of their responses to the charges. The lawsuit is not something they can shrug off.

yungha
01-26-2010, 12:58 PM
THIS IS HILARIOUS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1BOXZ1Wnk&feature=player_embedded

hindi pala steroids ang ang pampalakas ni manny, kundi AGIMAT! talaga naman palang di tatablan si manny ng mga suntok ni floyd.

roger also rewrote history by saying the fil-american war was fought 500 years ago, and that soldiers were already using .45s in the 16th century.

when manny's case goes to trial, mayweather will present old ramon revilla and FPJ films as evidence.

Kid Cubao
01-27-2010, 04:52 AM
heto lang ang masasabi ko sa pamilya mayweather (and that includes roger): nakakaawang patayin, nakakainis buhayin. knuckleheads all of them.

razor
02-15-2010, 09:04 PM
Floyd Mayweather: “I could have played in the NBA” ::)

http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2010/02/15/floyd-mayweather-i-could-have-played-in-the-nba/



Xxx.

Do you play basketball often?

FM: I play some of the celebrity games. I had 14 points or so in the All-Star Game in New Orleans.

What’s your game like in basketball?

FM: Cool, OK. If I took it serious… I’m a well-rounded athlete so I think I could have been a top college basketball player. I’m skillful enough and talented enough. So if somebody had taught me all the fundamentals of basketball, I guess I could have played in the NBA.

You know Manny Pacquiao is also a big fan of basketball and likes to play. Do you think you can beat him on a basketball court.

FM: If he’s a big basketball fan, more power to him. That’s all I can say.

Xxx.

For once, he didn't have much to say about MP.

Schortsanitis
03-19-2010, 10:50 PM
The famous boxing historian Bert Sugar, on the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight:
- http://www.toprank.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23700&ATCLID=204911214

oca
03-20-2010, 08:20 AM
I agree that Mayweather is afraid to lose. He wants that immaculate record intact upon "permanent retirement".

He knows Pacquiao can beat him and deal him his first defeat. Kaya takot siya kay Pacquiao.

If after the Mosley fight Floyd feels he is in no form to prevent a defeat against Manny, makakarinig na naman tayo ng maraming katarantaduhan. Deliberately delaying the setting of a date for this match. He will bid his time and fight only when he thinks he has the form or has caused enough irritation or "time delay" to make Manny out-of-form.

IMO, money will not dictate when this fight will happen. It is Floyd who will dictate the date to his advantage.The way people are talking about this fight, he knows regardless if this happens this year or early next year or mid next year or late next year, they will all make that money. That being a given, he will not force himself to fight on a date he believes he doesn't have all the factors to his favor.

Schortsanitis
05-04-2010, 11:00 PM
Another theory: Mayweather might be using the "Drug Test" issue, as a pawn to get more share of the money for the fight, as in, "okay, I will drop my demands for a stricter drug test ... as long as I get 60% of the money.

oca
05-05-2010, 08:17 AM
I doubt if there will be uneven sharing of guaranteed purse money. Pwede pa, winner gets bigger share of PPV.

I concede that this fight will happen because for all the money there is for everyone, it is outright stupid not to let the fight happen.

But, may ego ang magkabilang panig. Walang papalamang bago maganap ang laban, at kung may lalamang sa partehan, yung resulta ang magiging basehan.

Kid Cubao
06-05-2010, 08:17 PM
it is confirmed. after weeks of unusual silence from his camp, floyd mayweather has announced that he will go on another indefinite hiatus, thus killing the much-awaited showdown with the honorable representative from sarangani province.

OK people, how do you spell "chicken?" all together now: F-L-O-Y-D-M-A-Y-W-E-A-T-H-E-R.

tigerman
06-05-2010, 08:25 PM
it is confirmed. after weeks of unusual silence from his camp, floyd mayweather has announced that he will go on another indefinite hiatus, thus killing the much-awaited showdown with the honorable representative from sarangani province.

OK people, how do you spell "chicken?" all together now: F-L-O-Y-D-M-A-Y-W-E-A-T-H-E-R.



Silent protest siguro yan ni Gayweather dahil hindi siya ang hinirang na "fighter of the decade" ng BWA. ;D




USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

yungha
06-07-2010, 12:25 AM
it is confirmed. after weeks of unusual silence from his camp, floyd mayweather has announced that he will go on another indefinite hiatus, thus killing the much-awaited showdown with the honorable representative from sarangani province.

OK people, how do you spell "chicken?" all together now: F-L-O-Y-D-M-A-Y-W-E-A-T-H-E-R.


when they were still negotiating for pac-floyd the first time, remember how floyd and his boyfriend ellerbe insisted on allowing tests at least 14 days before the fight? and when those discussions fell through, how they claimed that his fight vs new opponent shane mosley would herald a new era in drug testing for boxing. you know how many days each fighter was tested before the fight - 18! eighteen days! why bother with olympic-style testing if you have a window of 18 days to juice up. shane, a convicted juicer, and floyd, a known user of banned painkillers, can shoot themselves silly with banned substances in that time frame. so why was the time frame such an issue with floyd vs pac and not so much vs shane. bakla talaga.

is pa, how can it even be called olympic-style testing if you don't get tested for 18 days, when the olympics only lasts 14 days.

sobrang galing sana, pero sobrang duwag.

lurkinggood
06-07-2010, 11:21 AM
Nangitim si Floyd sa takot ke Manny. Nag-second retirement kaagad... ;D

yungha
06-10-2010, 12:06 PM
In a recent interview Hatton said "“I could have had those rules, but I wasn’t bothered,” said Hatton, who has not fought again since losing to Pacquiao 13 months ago. “Maybe in hindsight, I should have done.

“I must admit, I fancied my chances against Manny. A few years ago he was getting knocked down by little men like [Juan Manuel] Marquez, then all of a sudden he is knocking out Oscar de la Hoya, myself and [Miguel] Cotto, who are powerhouses in comparison.

“It is a little bit strange. He could be on what Floyd is accusing him of [performance-enhancing substances], or it could be that he is just a great fighter who has improved. We will never know.”

steroids have nothing to do with timing, ricky - same move every time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6BtVS0-w9A)

mighty_lion
06-17-2010, 11:53 AM
Manny Pacquiao & Floyd Mayweather, JR Agree to Fight – Signatures Only Thing Needed on Finalized Contract (http://ringsidereport.com/?p=3166)

I find it weird there is no mention about this in our local media.

The_Big_Cat
06-17-2010, 01:59 PM
The question here is kung ano ang mindset ni Pacquiao vs Mayweather. As everybody knows Manny is now in politics, his new love. I hope he still has that "kapit sa patalim" and "patay kung patay" attitude.

Kid Cubao
06-18-2010, 08:56 AM
Manny Pacquiao & Floyd Mayweather, JR Agree to Fight – Signatures Only Thing Needed on Finalized Contract (http://ringsidereport.com/?p=3166)

I find it weird there is no mention about this in our local media.

that's because there's an unspoken gag order between the contracting parties--golden boy and top rank. no one has come out officially about the status of the reopened negotiations because they don't want a repeat of the first attempt, which everyone knows collapsed over "blood testing."

easter
06-29-2010, 10:08 PM
Ain't gonna believe this thing is happening until Mayweather climbs on top of that ring with Manny Pacquiao ;D

oca
06-30-2010, 12:01 AM
Nung kagalingan at kalakasan ni Tyson, napakaraming gustong makalaban siya for that 1M purse. Kahit takot, tatapangan na lang para sa isan milyon dolyares.

Etong Mayweather na ito, 40 milyones na...

yungha
07-17-2010, 11:27 AM
it's approximately 8:30pm pacific time in the US. deadline for mayweather to sign fight contract is midnight. time's running out, junior.

easter
07-17-2010, 04:27 PM
Please Pacman stop wasting your time with this. papayag na ako sino man labanan mo or kung gusto mo dyan ka na lang sa Congress basta stop wasting your time with this fight because it ain't gonna happen.

Schortsanitis
07-17-2010, 06:33 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. is really a coward. The way things are, as long as FMJ can sell PPV fights, he will NEVER fight The Pacman and risk losing.

I read a lot of Floyd apologists out there, trying to spin FMJ's attittude as just being a "front", but its obvious the guy is really just a jerk. Its tragic that such morons still get the praise and respect of people out there.

BigBlue
07-21-2010, 08:16 PM
get this:

Pacquiao a 'little Filipino midget' – Mayweather Sr. (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/07/21/10/pacquiao-little-filipino-midget-%E2%80%93-floyd-sr)

Mayweather Sr. also says Pacquiao 'one of the biggest faggots on planet'

MANILA, Philippines – Floyd Mayweather, Jr. may be getting flak for reportedly snubbing the deadline to fight Manny Pacquiao. But for his father, Floyd Mayweather, Sr., it is the other way around.

“Yeah, he’s scared,” the elder Mayweather said of Pacquiao in an On the Ropes Boxing Radio interview as quoted by The Mushroom Mag.

“The only thing they’re trying to do is to switch this around and make it look like it’s my son that’s scared. He ain’t the one that’s scared. I know who’s scared for real,” he added.

Floyd Sr. went on to say to say a mouthful about Pacquiao’s fear of Floyd Jr.

“He ain’t got no problem with fighting all the big guys—[Oscar] de la Hoya, Ricky Hatton, the other African guy, the other guy who he fought with the title. I’m just saying he beat these guys, [Miguel] Cotto, he beat all these guys like they’re nothing. Pacquiao’s one of the biggest faggots on the planet,” said Mayweather Sr.

He stated, “My problem is, Bob Arum don’t call no f*cking shots. Bob Arum don’t call the shots. The fight can be made anytime they want the fight to be made. Little Floyd definitely ain’t scared of no Pacquiao. That’s the last thing in the world that little Floyd is scared of, a little Filipino midget. Definitely that’s not the case.”


He also said that the deadline snub is just Arum’s ploy to picture his son as the nemesis in the Mayweather-Pacquiao saga.

“Yes he’s trying to make little Floyd like bad but people already know what time of day it is. Of course, he’s trying to make little Floyd look bad because he’s with Pacquiao. When he was with my son he was trying to make him look good and everybody else look bad.”

Pacquiao (51-3-2, with 38 KOs) and Mayweather (40-0, with 25 KOs) were supposed to face off on March 13. Their rescheduled November 13 bout will most likely not push through as Arum is already eyeing to replace Floyd Jr. with Antonio Margarito of Mexico or Miguel Cotto of Puerto Rico.

Floyd Sr. commented on the possible Pacquiao-Cotto rematch: “Why is he going to fight Cotto again? Why? All this is, is just a game. If you see what the whole thing is, Bob Arum is giving Cotto a title and then turning around and letting Pacman beat Cotto up again and take it again. That’s all it is. That’s all it is. It’s so plain to see a blind man can see that.”

Pacman-Floyd showdown next year?

Despite his negative statements against Pacquiao and Arum, Floyd Sr. did not eliminate the possibility of the dream super fight.

“Well you know, you can’t say that it won’t ever happen, but I’m really telling you right now I don’t believe it’s going to be this year. I don’t believe it’s going to be this year. I will tell you that,” stated Floyd Sr.

“I’m pretty sure if Pacquiao fights these guys [Cotto, Margarito] and beats them like he’s supposed to, I’m pretty sure that fight will go on if Pacquiao’s still around. If Pacquiao’s still around because I’m just saying all that stuff about the Congressman and all of that stuff. It’s a bunch of BS man. Who cares about that, man? To be a Congressman over millions and millions of dollars?—Please!”


But Floyd Sr. reiterated that if the Pacquiao-Mayweather bout will take place, his son should get the upper hand in the purse split. The Olympic-style drug testing should also be random, without the 14-day cutoff period demanded by Pacquiao.

“He knows he ain’t the best fighter and Bob Arum knows he ain’t the best fighter, too. So why should you belittle yourself and take less money than you’re supposed to?”

Meanwhile, the elder Mayweather said his son could return to the ring even if he announced that he was taking a break from the sport.

“I ain’t going to say that he won’t fight in 2010. He could fight in 2010 but then again he might not. I’m pretty sure he could fight somebody like, well I can’t even say. I just have to say that I believe he can have a fight but it won’t be a big, big fight like Manny Pacquiao. I just think that whenever they’re ready, little Floyd’s ready, believe me.”

Floyd Jr. remained unbeaten after scoring a unanimous decision victory over Shane Mosley on May 1. Pacquiao won his last bout on March 13 over Ghanaian Joshua Clottey by unanimous decision. – With a report from Geoffrey Ciani, The Mushroom Mag

mangtsito
07-22-2010, 05:37 AM
That's a nice spin. ;D

mighty_lion
07-27-2010, 12:09 AM
PBF Fried Chicken for everyone

http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo192/JLIM1961/mayweatherchickenroast.jpg

MonL
07-27-2010, 01:16 AM
^"Kentucky Fried Idiot." - Rocky Balboa in "Rocky II." :P

yungha
07-28-2010, 11:33 PM
June 11, 2010:

Oscar dela Hoya - “I think right now we are very, very close in finalizing the contracts. I can’t talk right now in detail about the negotiations but I will say that we are very close.”

July 19, 2010:

Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe - “Al Haymon, Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on November 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying.”

July 26, 2010:

HBO Sports President Ross Greenburg - "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together."

Kid Cubao
07-29-2010, 10:02 AM
June 11, 2010:

Oscar dela Hoya - “I think right now we are very, very close in finalizing the contracts. I can’t talk right now in detail about the negotiations but I will say that we are very close.”

July 19, 2010:

Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe - “Al Haymon, Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on November 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying.”

July 26, 2010:

HBO Sports President Ross Greenburg - "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together."

it doesn't take a genius to determine which among the three is telling a bare-faced lie.

Schortsanitis
09-05-2010, 11:24 AM
That mudafuka bad-mouthed Pacquiao again:

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http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-mayweatherapology090410

Mayweather apologizes for racist tirade

By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports

Floyd Mayweather Jr. took to the Internet again on Friday, this time to apologize for a profanity-filled racist rant against Manny Pacquiao that he recorded on uStream.com Thursday.

Mayweather continued to mispronounce Pacquiao’s surname, repeatedly referring to him as “Pooch-ee-ow.” But a day after making racist and homophobic comments on uStream, Mayweather offered an apology to those who were offended.

“I do want to apologize for what happened the other night,” Mayweather said. “I want to apologize to everybody. They felt it was a racist comment that came from me. I don’t have a racist bone in my body, you know. I love everybody. Some of my guys are Muslims. Some of my guys are Jews. Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Mexicans, whites, it doesn’t matter. There is nothing but love in my heart, you know what I’m saying?

“I heard this from a few people. The only thing I want to say is, anybody who was offended by what I said the other day, I apologize as a man. I apologize. Forgive me for saying what I said. I was just having fun. I didn’t really mean it, nothing in a bad way. So let’s stay on this roller coaster ride and keep riding, baby. It’s all love.”

Prior to apologizing, Mayweather embraced two Asian women, who said they were Thai and Chinese. He asked one of them if she spoke Thai and kept asking her to “Speak some Thai.” As he embraced them, he promised them front-row tickets for a fight with Pacquiao. Representatives of each camp twice in the last nine months attempted to make a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, but were unable to finalize a deal.

Mayweather also sent condolences to his former promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank, with whom he has long had a contentious relationship. The body of Arum’s 49-year-old son, John, was discovered in the Cascade Mountains in Washington state Friday. John Arum appeared to have fallen 300 feet in a hiking accident.

John Arum had been missing for several days and it’s not clear in the video whether Mayweather was aware the body had been discovered. However, he offered consoling words to Bob Arum.

“God bless Bob Arum and his whole family, because I heard that Bob Arum’s son had a bad accident,” Mayweather said. “Love to the whole Arum family.”

In the original video, he referred to Pacquiao, a native of the Philippines, as “a yellow chump,” and said “Once I stomp the midget, I’ll make that [expletive] make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice.” In addition, he said, “I’m going to cook that [expletive] with cats and dogs. Have some rice with a little barbecue dog.” He also referred to Pacquiao by using a derogatory slang term for a homosexual.

muffetteer
09-05-2010, 04:59 PM
Being an African-American and standing at 5'8", he ain't no giant either - their average height is 5'10". Pacman is 5'6" and a bit, while the average Filipino male is 5'4". The man can't even give the proper racist remarks... 'yellow', 'sushi'. Excuse me, our skin is brown and we eat adobo. Unless, of course, he can't distinguish between Chinese, Japanese and Filipino. . . . .Yup, I think that's it. He's dumb.

If he wants to replace Ali as the best trash talker in the industry, then he needs to step it up a notch. He ain't clever enough.

Kudos to Pacman's civil reaction / non-reaction.

yungha
09-06-2010, 03:22 PM
that's quite a show from someone who says he "wants to clean up the sport of boxing."

bravo manny. what a classy, intelligent remark. you made floyd look even smaller, dumber and more shallow than he already is.

LION
09-06-2010, 04:09 PM
Brown looks much better than black. We don't look dirty. ;D

A racist nigger like Floyd is an anomaly. Flawed Mayweather.

Schortsanitis
09-06-2010, 08:49 PM
Anybody who wants to diss FMJ on his official fan page on Facebook, feel free to jump right in ...
- http://www.facebook.com/FloydMayweather?ref=ts

Floyd's reputation on that page is getting one hell of a beating ...

danny
09-07-2010, 02:22 AM
Racism is in, even in sports. Signs of the times. OT but even San Beda's Sudan is getting a lot of racist remarks from local noyps. Manny is not alone. Keep your head up Manny. Animo! ;)

Schortsanitis
09-11-2010, 02:20 PM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/manny-pacquiao-has-driven-floyd-mayweather-to-insanity

Manny Pacquiao Has Driven Floyd Mayweather to Insanity

Opinion by Boxing Insider

Now that the world knows the truth – that Floyd Mayweather is a bully and a coward who only fights opponents he has clear advantages over, and ducks, dodges and or runs like a scared coward from any fighter who can brutally knock him out (Cotto, Margarito, Pacquiao), he is not a happy man.

Floyd Mayweather is losing his mind now and may need a straightjacket before this is all over.

Like the strange character Norman Bates in the classic Alfred Hitchcock film “Psycho”, Floyd Mayweather’s ill behavior has been exposed for all the world to see. Everyone knows he’s scared to fight Manny Pacquiao and his world is falling apart. The insane racial rant last week was highly disturbing but the latest accusation that he’s beaten up his girlfriend again are far worse.

Obviously, Mayweather is a very sad, disturbed and pathetic figure who is suffering some kind of deep psychological turmoil. Bob Arum told us two years ago, Mayweather is “a psychological coward.”

Though many people disregarded those comments as bitterness towards Mayweather, they are more than likely very accurate.

Any man who talks venom against another man like Pacquiao and then runs and hides from him, is a psychologiocal coward. Any man who beats up a woman, is a psychological coward. I will stop at listing those two examples.

As the fame and fortune of Mayweather have increased, the more deformed and demented he has become. He obviously is ill equipped to handle success and what we are seeing now is a train wreck waiting to happen.

I’ve studied a lot of boxers and people over the last 20 years, so please let me play amateur doctor. Mayweather is so mentally devastated by the avalanche of media pressure and criticism over the last nine months – after years and years of having everything his own way – that his state of mind might really be crazy now. Totally Insane. I believe Floyd is so 1000% certain that he will be brutally and savagely knocked out by Manny Pacquiao – the worst nightmare he could ever imagine – that his subconscious will do anything ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to kill the fight now.

Like Norman Bates, the subconscious of Mayweather is in control now. And Floyd’s uncontrollable fear is expressing itself with insane actions like the racist rant and now the alleged beating of the woman. It could be possible that Mayweather’s subconscious would prefer to go to a jail cell rather than be brutally and savagely knocked out by a good clean honorable sportsman like Manny Pacquiao who the jealous Mayweather viciously envies. Like Norman Bates’ mother in his subconscious hated and envied all women. Mayweather’s fear of Pacquiao is so monstrously enormous that he will absolutely do or say anything to kill the fight, even if it means going to jail. Or, I fear, perhaps even worse, perhaps committing suicide.

I believe Mike Tyson was in a somewhat similar state in the time period before he was being forced to fight Lennox Lewis in the early 2000s. Though he spoke to the contrary and like a crazed man (“Eat his children”), Tyson knew he had no chance to beat the mighty Lewis and repeatedly behaved in a nutty way so as to kill the fight. He delayed it with the press conference attack and tirade, he ducked it by fighting the Nielsens, Savareses and Bothas of the world, but eventually the powers that be forced Tyson to take his beating. And once he endured the brutal and savage KO loss to Lewis, all the burden of having to live up to being Iron Mike Tyson was lifted from his shoulders. The loss was actually a blessing in disguise and Mike Tyson, though he is said to be financially broke now, is happy and content and at peace.

Mayweather, like Tyson, is living in a psychological hell right now, because he can’t deal with fear of being knocked out by Pacquiao and the unknown consequences of how that loss will alter his self-image, career and future life. Mayweather is borderline insane right now. Like a spoiled child he has been protected from the dangers of Cotto, Margarito and Pacquiao all his life, and now he does not know how to handle or confront his worst fears.

That’s my take on Mayweather. Ellerbe and Haymon, you can send me a fee for analyzing the maniac you support and take profits from, but won’t come out to publicly defend. And why won’t you two come out and defend your “friend”?

Let’s hope Mayweather can find the courage to overcome his massive fears and do what he needs to do. And that’s suffer and endure the beating he has to take. “The humble shall be exalted and the exalted shall be humbled.” Like the example of Mike Tyson, there still is hope for Mayweather – if he has the courage to overcome his fears, and fight the fight he knows he can’t win. He has to have faith that sometimes there are blessings in disguise.

But if Mayweather can’t find the courage, he could end up being a tragedy.

Scoop Malinowski is the author of “Heavyweight Armageddon: The Tyson-Lewis Championship Battle” and the creator of www.tennis-prose.com

Loyolalista
09-11-2010, 08:20 PM
Maywaether is the best ever- at beating up women!

Kid Cubao
09-11-2010, 10:06 PM
reportedly what drove floyd junior up the wall is the recent ultimatum issued by HBO to fight manny pacquiao no later than june 2011.

jembengzon
09-14-2010, 11:17 AM
eto pala ang reason kung bakit ayaw lumaban ni mayweather. eto ang tutoong kalaban niya :D

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/Police-release-report-for-Floyd-Mayweather-felony-arrest-091310

yungha
06-06-2011, 06:42 PM
mayweather's shirt:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/d6/c0/d6c0b3b069a2300508d0831816188664.jpg

pac's reply:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNZD35xuCd8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku4jfLKD0Mg

no more cutoff on testing yet still no fight. floyd would rather go to prison than fight manny.

Raging Blue
06-06-2011, 10:34 PM
Facing The Pacman is a fate worse than going to prison? Just be careful not to drop the bar of soap while you're in the shower Mr. Mayweather ;D

oca
06-07-2011, 08:01 AM
Palagay ko pag nagsimula na ang mga hearing sa kaso niya at nakinita niyang olat siya dito, makikipag-areglo yan. Dyan niya kakailanganin ang pera at maghahanap yan ng malaking laban.

pio_valenz
06-07-2011, 10:42 PM
I gotta hand it to Mayweather, though. It ain't easy to walk away from $65 million. At least he can say he's not in it for the money.

He probably figured there's not enough money in the world to convince him to get beaten up by Pac.

Loyolalista
06-10-2011, 12:00 PM
Tingin ko mas maganda Mayweather vs. Lydia De Vega. Sino kaya mas mabilis tumakbo?

Kid Cubao
06-10-2011, 12:54 PM
Tingin ko mas maganda Mayweather vs. Lydia De Vega. Sino kaya mas mabilis tumakbo?

langya, my drink escaped through my nose ;D una ko kasing napansin yung maganda mayweather LOL

BigBlue
06-16-2011, 01:30 PM
Two Hall of Famers weigh in on the much anticipated Pac-Floyd Fight.

Hagler tells Floyd: Stop the nonsense and fight (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06/15/11/hagler-tells-floyd-stop-nonsense-and-fight)

by Dennis Gasgonia, abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 06/16/2011 7:51 AM | Updated as of 06/16/2011 11:14 AM

MANILA, Philippines – Boxing great "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler believes Filipino champion Manny Pacquiao is right in refusing to just bow to Floyd Mayweather’s drug test demands.

“Here's a guy (Mayweather) that wants to dictate to another person and wants to tell you what he wants to do. You know, 'I want you to take this drug test and all these things and whatever,'” Hagler said in an interview on ESPN.

“I think that Pacquiao is right... I mean, who are you? If you want to fight, let's fight. Let's stop all this nonsense,” he added.

The undefeated Mayweather has repeatedly been declining a multimillion-dollar bout against Pacquiao by using the drug test issue.

Mayweather is due for a September 17 fight date against Victor Ortiz.

Pacquiao, on the other hand, will face Mexico’s Juan Manuel Marquez on November 12.

Hagler, considered to be one of the best middleweight boxers of all time, said the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight can help rejuvenate the sport of boxing.

“I believe that if they get this thing on, it can really boost up boxing and bring boxing alive a little bit. These are the kind of fights that we need to see,” said the retired brawler from New Jersey.

Hagler could not understand Mayweather’s reasons in refusing the fight.

“We'll there's a lot more money now that it was when I was fighting… just think about it. There's a hundred-million-dollar fight, there's no one in the history of boxing that ever made this kind of money.”



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Tyson: Pacquiao must beat Floyd to be truly great (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06/15/11/tyson-pacquiao-must-beat-floyd-be-truly-great)

abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 06/15/2011 4:08 PM | Updated as of 06/16/2011 1:50 AM

MANILA, Philippines – Hall of Famer and former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson said in a recent interview that current pound-for-pound king Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao is an “awesome” fighter.

In an interview with Graham Bensinger of Yahoo! Sports, Tyson said, “I think he’s pretty awesome. He’s pretty high (on the list of all-time greats).”

“We have to wait until he retires and see what happens before we start ranking, but now he’s pretty awesome.”

Tyson also said that Pacquiao will have to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. to truly go up the ladder of boxing legends.

"He's gotta beat Floyd first," Tyson said.

The boxer who was once known as the “Baddest Man on the Planet” added that he feels a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will happen.

“I think they’ll fight each other. It’s just common sense; they’re the two greatest fighters in the world... they should fight.”

When asked if Mayweather was a better fighter than “Pacman,” Tyson said that it was “a possibility.”

“They’ll have to fight each other. I want to see what the odds will be,” he added.

“That will be an interesting fight.”

Tyson also discussed the current state of boxing, saying that the sport right now was in good shape.

“But people are never satisfied,” Tyson added.

Kid Cubao
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
mukhang atat na sina marvelous marvin at iron mike na makitang mabugbog ni pacquiao si mayweather.

mangtsito
06-16-2011, 05:40 PM
ABS-CBN News quoted Mayweather as saying, "I'll only fight 'all-natural boxers'".

Well, it only makes him sound like an all-natural coward.

mighty_lion
06-16-2011, 09:31 PM
I doubt if Mayweather really wants to fight Pac. As someone mentioned here before, with the way Mosley back pedaled in his fight against Pac, there is no way Mayweather will agree to fight with Pac.

yungha
09-21-2011, 10:11 AM
link - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/chris_mannix/09/20/mayweather.pacquiao/index.html?sct=mma_t11_a1

excerpt - "What [Pacquiao promoter] Bob Arum is telling everybody is not true. Don't listen to Arum. He's probably sick of putting up with Pacquiao and all his gambling. He wants to take the test but for a whole month he doesn't want to take the test. He wants to take the test but he wants to be notified when the people are coming. This sh-- will drive you up the wall. He really don't want to fight. They are tricking you all.

hey floyd, i thought you said no negotiations, no talks ever took place. so how can manny demand all this if there were no talks?

Sam Miguel
09-27-2011, 03:13 PM
From the LA Times ___

Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Boxing's Age-old Issue

By Lance Pugmire
September 12, 2011

If each wins his next bout, they could be matched in the next super-fight. But they're approaching their mid-30s, and boxers such as Oscar De La Hoya and Ray Mancini say competing at that age is tough.

Although many consider Floyd Mayweather Jr., left, and Manny Pacquiao to be the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, they will be in their mid-30s if they meet in 2012.

Manny Pacquiao smiled at the question, as many boxers before him have, flexed his right biceps and grinned in delight.

"I still feel young and strong," Pacquiao proclaimed last week.

Birthday No. 33 comes for Pacquiao on Dec. 17.

Floyd Mayweather Jr., the man the boxing world wants Pacquiao to fight if Mayweather withstands the challenge of 24-year-old Victor Ortiz on Saturday in Las Vegas, will turn 35 on Feb. 24.

"One lesson we've learned in this sport is that day arrives for fighters when they wake up and find out something they believed was written in stone as unchanging has changed," HBO boxing analyst Larry Merchant said.

Time stops for no man, and the calendar's toll can be severe for a boxer.

"My father — my greatest educator — told me since I was a little boy that at 28 you're still a young man, but you're an old fighter," said Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini, the former world lightweight champion. "Years later, I heard a quote by Napoleon: 'After 30 years, a man's spirit is not made for war.' "

Mancini, now 50, fought twice after turning 28 and lost both times.

"Your body starts to shut down, you start settling down," Mancini said. "We change mentally, emotionally, physically. The piss-and-vinegar attitude goes away. The reflexes aren't the same. In training camp, you do seven reps instead of 10, and think, 'Don't worry about it.' But you're not pushing yourself the same, and you pay for it."

Oscar De La Hoya experienced that deterioration three years ago against Pacquiao. De La Hoya couldn't move fast enough to keep up with Pacquiao's attacks and he couldn't hit the bolting Filipino. By the ninth round, De La Hoya, then 35, quit on his stool and ended his proud career.

Now retired, De La Hoya admits he'd begun slipping years earlier and was "past his prime" when he lost to Mayweather by split decision in 2007.

"It's a whole new ballgame, and Floyd's going to find that out now that he's 34," De La Hoya said. "Things start happening at 34. Your muscle mass is not the same. You make weight easier, but that's not a good thing because you have less muscle.

"I thought of that when I saw Floyd's number at his 30-day weigh-in: 149 [for the Ortiz bout, while normally a fighter would be up around 155 at that time]. It's not a good sign for Floyd. Everything is against him."

Longtime boxing publicist Bill Caplan was an eyewitness to the toll of age on Sugar Ray Robinson. He watched Robinson, at 39, struggle in two bouts against Gene Fullmer, and then in training camp before Robinson's sad loss to part-time bartender Ferd Hernandez in 1965 in Las Vegas.

"They don't lose their power, they lose their timing," said Caplan, who has since worked with De La Hoya, George Foreman and now Ortiz. "If they see an opening, they can't pull the trigger.

"You also can't spar as many rounds. The body just can't take it. So when you get in the ring in that condition, you look terrible."

There are exceptions.

Former world heavyweight champion Foreman returned from a 10-year hiatus at age 38, then recaptured the belt at 45. He preached that "age doesn't matter . . . you lose energy, but gain wisdom."

Light-heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins, 46, will defend his belt Oct. 15 at Staples Center. Hopkins said his secret was a vow in his 20s to remain true to a strict diet and exercise regimen.

Merchant concludes: "Yes, there are freaks. Hopkins. But that's not normal. Younger, quicker guys trying to prove something to the world usually beat the older guy."

Mancini said his final fight, at 31, revealed the inner conflict of a maturing man and a youthful ego. He signed to fight former world lightweight champion Greg Haugen.

"It's not all about money. It's wanting to know — and believing — that you can still get up for a world-class event," Mancini recalled.

In January 1992, Mancini started training camp without his family and infant son. Each afternoon he'd listen to Eric Clapton's "Tears in Heaven."

"I'd think of being away from my wife and son and bawl like a baby," Mancini said. "I was destroyed before I ever got in the ring. I told my assistant trainer 10 minutes before the fight in the dressing room, 'I got no business being here.' "

Mancini suffered a final defeat by technical knockout in the seventh round.

Veteran matchmaker Bruce Trampler has watched thousands of fights and knows the telltale signs of an aging boxer.

"If a guy can't defend a jab, that suggests his decline has begun," Trampler said. "The younger, fresher fighter doesn't wait for the message of an opening to punch to reach his brain. He just does it. You can actually see the older fighter waiting on the message before he punches."

"And the worse a fighter declines, the more he's at risk. We can start and finish that story with Muhammad Ali."

Trampler reminds that few ever foresaw that the brilliant Cassius Clay, who beautifully slipped punches by turning his head at the last instant, would transform into the sad Ali at the end of his career.

Trampler recalls his mentor, former Madison Square Garden matchmaker Teddy Brenner, saying in 1978 that he was going to bet some money on young Olympian Leon Spinks to upset Ali after watching the champ get hit hard in his prior fight against Earnie Shavers.

"You have no idea how bad Spinks is," Trampler told Brenner.

"You have no idea how bad Ali is," Brenner corrected before Spinks shocked the world.

Years later, Trampler was in his Las Vegas office when Sugar Ray Leonard was asking about a comeback fight at age 40. Trampler offered a bout against a journeyman. Leonard declined, instead wanting to fight a bigger name, Hector "Macho" Camacho.

"He was shot," Trampler recalled. "I'm not saying that loss is Ray's legacy, but it's on his record that he got stopped by Hector Camacho, who couldn't stop anybody."

For the record, Trampler says he sees no slippage in Pacquiao, his company's fighter, and Merchant said the only hiccup from Mayweather was getting hit hard in the second round by Shane Mosley in an otherwise dominant effort last year.

If Mayweather and Pacquiao win their upcoming fights — Pacquiao has a Nov. 12 date against older veteran Juan Manuel Marquez — it by no means ruins the anticipation of a super-fight.

One of the best bouts of all time was "The Thrilla in Manila" in 1975 when Ali was 33 and Joe Frazier was 31.

"Ali didn't have the legs to elude Frazier, so he got hit and had to fight," Merchant said. "What a fight it was."

Man versus age usually is.

yungha
12-22-2011, 01:34 PM
Floyd sentenced to 90 days in prison. Sentence begins on january 6. Time to cancel that cinco de mayo reservation at the MGM grand. Don't drop the soap, Floyd.

yungha
03-07-2012, 03:06 PM
Manny has offered floyd a 70-30 split of the PPV revenue with 70% going to the winner. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/boxingmma/manny-pacquiao-makes-floyd-mayweather-offer-he-can%E2%80%99t-refuse

of course we all know floyd's latest excuse which is "my health is my priority." maybe manny should allow him to wear protective headgear.

Kid Cubao
03-07-2012, 03:35 PM
^^ or that the fight be held in a boxing ring without ropes, so that he can run to his heart's content.

Jaco D
03-08-2012, 03:52 AM
I'd like to hear Floyd's response if the offer is "winner take all". At 70-30 Floyd can still come up with a lame excuse for it not to happen. I guess these two guys are rich enough to pay their respective corners out of their own pockets if they lose. Kung gusto mo pa, "winner take all" and the fight be held inside the penitentiary where the Floyd is going to spend time. That will be a first.

yungha
03-08-2012, 11:36 AM
i never said that floyd was afraid of manny or ducking manny. to me it just seems ridiculous for a fighter of floyd's skill level to be scared of pac, who although exciting, is technically deficient. as a boxing fan, i love watching him fight. he's probably the most skilled fighter of this generation, is naturally bigger than manny, so it makes no sense for him to be scared.

but with his behavior the past few weeks, coming up with newer and weirder excuses not to make the fight happen, i change my mind. he's scared.

gameface_one
05-15-2012, 09:51 PM
Floyd deserves bigger cut? Analyst says no

ABS-CBNnews.com
Posted at 05/15/2012 7:10 PM | Updated as of 05/15/2012 7:10 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s victory over Miguel Cotto generated $94 million in pay-per-views, suggesting that the unbeaten boxer has every right to refuse a 50-50 revenue split with Manny Pacquiao.

But boxing analyst Chris Mannix disagrees.

“That would be wrong,” Mannix said in his column in Sports Illustrated.*

“For all the talk of Mayweather's pay-per-view power, Pacquiao's numbers are fairly comparable,” he said.

Mannix cited that Mayweather generated approximately $540 million or 9.6 million buys in his last nine pay-per-view fights.

Pacquiao, on the other hand, had $525 million buys on 9.9 million buys in 15 pay-per-views – “several of which were smaller shows put on by Top Rank early in his career,” said Mannix.

He said the comparison makes Mayweather’s label on Pacquiao as a “$7-million fighter” inaccurate.

Mannix also made the following comparisons:

Mayweather-Cotto -- 1.5 million buys

Pacquiao vs. Marquez -- 1.25 million buys

Mayweather vs. Ortiz -- 1.25 million buys

Pacquiao vs Mosley -- 1.2 million buys

“Mayweather and Pacquiao are comparable draws now,” he said.

Mannix also cited the strengths of each boxer in the pay-per-view market.

He said the trash-talking Mayweather is likely to get higher ratings on HBO's "24/7" over the more reserved Pacquiao.

But the charismatic Pacquiao is likely to generate the lion's share of the revenue outside the US.

“In a fight that could generate north of $150 million in revenue, Pacquiao would be foolish to accept Mayweather's offer of a flat fee of $40 million,” said Mannix.

gameface_one
05-15-2012, 10:34 PM
Arum goes with 45-45 split for Manny-Floyd fight
By Roy Luarca
Philippine Daily Inquirer
10:00 pm | Monday, May 14th, 2012
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. AP/INQUIRER FILE PHOTOS
PROMOTER Bob Arum, accused of stan-ding in the way of a Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Manny Pacquiao fight, has offered a compromise proposal to the new WBA junior middleweight champion.
Going with Pacquiao’s stance on the revenue-sharing scheme, Arum said on Saturday night’s premiere of HBO’s The Fight Game with Jim Lampley, that he is amenable to a 45-45 percent split, with the remaining 10 percent going to the winner of the megabuck fight.
“Manny Pacquiao has now taken the position, which I endorse,” said Arum.
“If Floyd Mayweather thinks he’s the greatest fighter of all time, let’s do it 45 percent to Mayweather, 45 percent to Pacquiao and 10 percent to the winner.”
In January, Mayweather called Pacquiao and offered him a flat purse of $40 million but with zero share in the pay-per-view revenues. Pacquiao rejected it.
The unbeaten Mayweather, claiming he is boxing’s biggest draw, also stressed that he will not agree to a 50-50 split.
“If Mayweather believes he can beat Pacquiao, which I don’t think he believes, he’ll pick up more than 50 percent that way,” Arum said. “But it’s up to Floyd.”
Mayweather’s last fight with Miguel Cotto on May 6 drew 1.5 million PPV buys, eclipsing the 1.41 million Pacquiao posted in besting Juan Manuel Marquez by unanimous decision last November.