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amdgc82
07-20-2009, 09:55 AM
FIBA Asia – Draw completed for 25th FIBA Asia Championship

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TIANJIN (FIBA Asia Championship): Defending champions Iran have been drawn along side wild card entrants Chinese Taipei, Kuwait and Middle Asia’s Uzbekistan in Group B for the preliminary round of the 25th FIBA Asia Championship to be held here from Aug 6-16, 2009.

The draw ceremony was held at the host city on Wednesday.

Hosts China have opted to play in Group C for the preliminary round, which also comprises last edition’s semifinalists Kazakhstan, fellow Middle Asian nation India and Gulf champions Qatar.

Korea, who bagged the bronze medal at Tokushima two years ago, have been drawn in Group A.

Japan, who lost to Korea in the final of the East Asian qualifiers in Nagoya last week, along with South East Asia champions Philippines and Sri Lanka are the other teams in Group A.

Lebanon, runners-up to Iran at Tokushima, have been drawn in Group D which also comprises fellow WABA rivals Jordan.

Jordan, it may be recalled, were the first team – apart from hosts China – to book their berth in the championship by virtue of winning the 2008 FIBA Asia Stankovic Cup in Kuwait last year.

Indonesia, who finished runners-up to Philippines in SEABA and United Arab Emirates complete the line-up.

Chinese Taipei, who finished fourth behind Korea, Japan and China in the recently concluded East Asian qualifiers, were given a wild card entry into the championship following the withdrawal of Gulf representatives Bahrain.

The top three sides at the FIBA Asia Championship will advance to the 2010 FIBA World Championship to be played from 23 September to 3 October 2010 in Turkey.

The championship will be played under a new format.

Groupings for the Preliminary Round
Group A: Japan, Korea, Philippines, Sri Lanka.
Group B: Chinese Taipei, Iran, Kuwait, Uzbekistan.
Group C: China, India, Kazakhstan, Qatar.
Group D: Indonesia, Jordan, Lebanon, UAE.
The top three teams from each group will advance to the second round of the championship.

Eighth Final Round
Group E: A1, A2, A3, B1, B2, B3
Group F: C1, C2, C3, D1, D2, D3
Each team will play the three (3) new teams in its own group (the final scores of all games played in the Preliminary Round are valid for this round).
The top four from each group will advance to the knockout quarterfinal stage.

S Mageshwaran
FIBA Asia

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amdgc82
07-20-2009, 09:59 AM
IRI – Samad: We’re aware of the task at hand to retain our title

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TEHRAN (FIBA Asia Championship): Defending champions Iran surely have their task cut out coming into Tianjin for the 25th FIBA Asia Championship.

For one, they will have to get past the formidable Chinese at home in order to repeat their title-winning performance of years ago at Tokushima.

Spearhead Samad Nikkah, what with an educative experience at the competitive French league behind him, is surely one of those who are aware of the Herculean task ahead.

“If you want to be the champion of the tournament, you must beat everybody, no matter who it is and where you play,” the 26-year-old Mahram forward said in this exclusive interview.

Excerpts

Q: Is there additional pressure on Iran to defend the title, especially playing against China in China?

A: I don’t know if there is any additional pressure, but we surely want to repeat our performance two years ago.

But we know it won’t be easy. We are aware of the task at hand to retain our title.

If you want to be the champion of the tournament, you must beat everybody, no matter who it is and where you play. But it is easier said than done. We must put a lot of energy to reach that goal.

Q: Many players in the Iran are two years older now, and with much more experience? Is that an advantage?

A: Yes, surely it is an advantage.

We have more experience, especially many in the current Iranian team have the Olympics experience, which is tremendous boost in terms of self confidence.

I can say that we understand each other better and we find ourselves a lot better on the court than we did two years ago.

Q: Players like Hamed Haddadi and Mahdi Kamrany have all attained superstar status? Is there a problem in handling them?

A: Not really. And it is not hard to handle them, because all the Iranian players will do anything and everything for the team. This is our big advantage.

The Iran National Team jersey means a lot to our players. So every body will do what is positive for Iran.

Q: How is it playing under a new coach especially after the very successful coach – Toroman Rajkov – who gave some very good results in Iran basketball?

A: Moving away from one coach and adapting to another is always a challenge. More so if your previous coach has been as good as Toroman Rajkov.

But our new coach (Veselin Matic) is a real good guy and he has had very good relationship with our players. He too, I’m sure, is aware of the task at hand and has been excellent.

It’s all a question of how we take ourselves from the earlier programs to the current ones.

Q: What has been / will be your preparatory program for the Championship?

A: We have always had some very good preparatory programs. We must thank our (federation) president (Mahmoud Mashhoon) for that. Thanks to him and his collaborators, we have always had very good friendly international games.

As far as preparing for Tianjin is concerned, we are just back from a camp in Germany.

We will travel to Qatar for a tournament in July (where Iran will compete against Lebanon, Qatar and Jordan). And then we will play the William Jones Cup (in Chinese Taipei).

I think we have a pretty good program to get ourselves ready for the FIBA Asia Championship.

I have to repeat my praise for our federation who have done a fantastic job to bring our levels.

Q: What are the specific areas you are/ have been concentrating in your preparatory program?

A: We are working on our offense and defense transition. We need more speed and our coach is working on our defense a lot.

Q: Who do you think are the major competition to your campaign in the Championship?

A: I think all the teams are good. And as I said earlier, we must be everybody in order to win the Championship. But for sure some teams like China, Lebanon, Jordan, Qatar and Korea, are a little stronger than the others.

Q: What do you think of the draw? What do you think of the new format for the Championship?

A: The draw for the first round is very good and fair. But it makes our second round harder. And I hope the new format provides us with more chances.

S Mageshwaran
FIBA Asia

amdgc82
07-20-2009, 10:05 AM
LIB – Ticket to Turkey our target at Tianjin: Raca

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BEIRUT (FIBA Asia Championship): Dragan Raca is back at the helm of the Lebanese National Team.

Having lost to Iran in the final of the FIBA Asia Championship two years ago in Tokushima – thus according to many experts “blowing away Lebanon’s best possible chance to qualify for the Olympics” – one would have expected Dragan Raca to come up with words like ‘revenge, vengeance etc,.’

But the 38-year-old was as equanimous as ever while assessing Lebanon’s chances at the 25th FIBA Asia Championship, scheduled to be held in Tianjin (China) from Aug 6-16.

“Our target in Tianjin is to qualify for the 2010 FIBA World Championship in Turkey. If things go well, we will look at the next step,” the Greek-Cypriot said in this exclusive interview.

Excerpts

Q: Lebanon have finished second on three occasions at the FIBA Asia Championship, but have never won the title? How do you plan to break this jinx?

A: We prepare our team to play good basketball. True, we haven’t been able to transform that into winning a FIBA Asia Championship, but then we have lost to very good teams in the final on all the three occasions.

From a personal experience, I can you tell that when we lost to Iran in the Tokushima final two years ago, we were defeated by a very inspired team that was running very high on energy and enthusiasm.

Our target in Tianjin is to qualify for the 2010 FIBA World Championship in Turkey. .

That is the main focus right now. If things go well, we will look at the next step.

Q: Lebanon have recently naturalized (former New Orleans Hornets power forward) Jackson Vroman. Is this a move to fill the gap left by Joseph Vogel? Is Jackson the right replacement? What are your thoughts?

A: First of all, let’s recognize what Joe did for Lebanese Basketball.

On the face of it, he added size. But then his presence also added overall solidity to the team on the court.

So, overall his contribution was to shift the basketball to a higher level and helped Lebanon in qualifying for two FIBA World Championships.

As for Vroman, this player has good skill, is a very hard working player and is a very good character. I am expecting that he is going to help the team a lot.

But there is no comparison between Joe and Vroman, because they are two entirely different players – not to forget there’s a lot of expectations on Vroman, which I’m sure he is capable of delivering.

Q: Can you tell us more about the Lebanese players from the US, who will play in China?

A: We haven’t decided on who will make the cut.

Yes, we have sounded out a couple of players, because we want to take the strongest possible Lebanese team to Tianjin.

But as for who exactly will make the team is not finalized yet.

Q: What exactly is Fadi El Khatib’s role in the team now? What is his impact on the team?

A: Fadi, like Joe, is one of the players with great influence on basketball in Lebanon itself.

He is the captain of the team and the leader as well.

I expect him to lead from the front in our plans. More importantly, I expect him to set an example for the young players who have joined the NT this year.

Q: Can you tell us about your preparatory program for the Championship?

A: We had a camp in Serbia for 10 days after which we played the Qatar International Tournament.

We are basically trying out some young players who can help us for this year as well as the future.

We will play in Chinese Taipei (William Jones Cup) then we will have a camp in Manila, the last station before China 2009.

Q: Can you elaborate on the strengths of your team at this point…

A: Too early to talk about all these things. But we are moving right the direction taking one step at a time.

We are a team that relies on the chemistry, which is exactly what we are working hard at getting right.

Q: Who do you think are the major challengers to your campaign at Tianjin?

A: You can’t really pick like that in a Championship like this. All the teams that enter the final eight will be as good as the other capable of beating each other on their day.

The competition will be so close that only on the game day, you can have some expectations.

Q: Finally, what do you think of the draw? What do you think of the new format for the Championship?

A: I guess it’s OK. All we have to do is to play ball. More games means less risk and better chance for better teams to win

S Mageshwaran
FIBA Asia

amdgc82
07-20-2009, 10:26 AM
Preliminary Round Schedule
Thursday August 6, 2009
Tianjin City - Tianjin Gym
09h00 - A - Philippines vs Sri Lanka
11h00 - C - Kazakhstan vs Qatar
14h00 - A - Korea vs Japan
16h00 - B - Iran vs Chinese Taipei
19h00 - C - India vs China

Thursday August 6, 2009
Tianjin City - Nankai University
19h00 - D - Indonesia vs United Arab Emirates
21h00 - B - Kuwait vs Uzbekistan
21h00 - D - Lebanon vs Jordan

Friday August 7, 2009
Tianjin City - Tianjin Gym
09h00 - A - Korea vs Sri Lanka
11h00 - D - Jordan vs Indonesia
14h00 - D - Lebanon vs United Arab Emirates
16h00 - B - Chinese Taipei vs Kuwait
19h00 - C - Kazakhstan vs China
21h00 - A - Japan vs Philippines

Friday August 7, 2009
Tianjin City - Nankai University
19h00 - C - Qatar vs India
21h00 - B - Iran vs Uzbekistan

Saturday August 8, 2009
Tianjin City - Tianjin Gym
09h00 - D - United Arab Emirates vs Jordan
11h00 - B - Uzbekistan vs Chinese Taipei
14h00 - A - Sri Lanka vs Japan
16h00 - B - Kuwait vs Iran
19h00 - C - China vs Qatar
21h00 - A - Philippines vs Korea

Saturday August 8, 2009
Tianjin City - Nankai University
19h00 - C - India vs Kazakhstan
21h00 - D - Indonesia vs Lebanon

amdgc82
07-20-2009, 06:02 PM
China sends advance scout Goorjian to Jones Cup

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Former Australia NT head coach Brian Goorjian, who currently works as a technical advisor for China NT, was spotted courtside scouting Asian teams for the preparation of the upcoming Asian Championship in Tianjin, China.

D_I_A
07-20-2009, 06:55 PM
China sends advance scout Goorjian to Jones Cup

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Former Australia NT head coach Brian Goorjian, who currently works as a technical advisor for China NT, was spotted courtside scouting Asian teams for the preparation of the upcoming Asian Championship in Tianjin, China.



ano kaya magiging assesment ni goojian sa atin..

amdgc82
07-20-2009, 08:10 PM
KOR - KIM MIN-SOO TAKES CENTER STAGE WITH KOREA

SEOUL (FIBA Asia Championship) – Korea coach Hur Jae could sure use a big contribution from his Argentina born-and-bred power forward Kim Min-soo at the FIBA Asia Championship in Tianjin, China, when the national side attempts to earn a trip to the 2010 FIBA World Championship in Turkey.

A top-three finish in Tianjin is required to advance to next year’s big event and the 27-year-old Kim, Hur knows, must be a combative presence under the basket for a Korean team that is smaller than most opponents.

“He is a talented player who has improved his offensive moves a lot but he must improve his defense,” Hur said.

Kim, whose father is Argentinian and mother is Korean, moved to Korea to play college basketball for Kyung Hee University and has since progressed to the professional ranks.

Last season, he turned out for SK Knights and averaged 14.3 points and five rebounds per game.

The talent is there, Hur says, but sometimes the concentration is not.

“I can see there are times when he lacks focus on the court,” Hur said.

“He positions himself well when he has possession, but the same cannot be said about his movement and positioning without the ball.”

At last year’s FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament in Athens, Kim averaged 12 points but the Koreans lost both of their games, including a 79-77 setback to Canada that ended their hopes of reaching Beijing.

The Koreans had led by 18 points early in the third quarter in that showdown but collapsed.

National team captain Joo Hee-jung is keen not to place too much importance on one player.

He says what’s important is to force opponents to play a fast game.

“In order to compensate for the height disadvantage, we will need to play an up-tempo game,” the 32-year-old Joo said.

He also says the Koreans need to be solid defensively.

“Teams such as Iran have stronger guards and therefore a switch from a man-to-man defense to a zone defense will be needed,” he said.

As for Kim, Joo said his teammate more than held his own at the East Asia Championship in Nagoya, Japan.

“Min-soo showed the desire and the passion to play well and we clicked well in pick-and-roll and screen plays situations,” Joo said to the JoongAng daily.

Hur will have a better idea of how his team is going to do in Tianjin after they compete at the William Jones Cup in Chinese Taipei from July 18-26.

amdgc82
07-20-2009, 08:12 PM
PHI - TOROMAN LOOKS AT PHILIPPINES' CHANCES IN FIBA ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP

MANILA (FIBA Asia Championship) - Philippines national team project director Rajko Toroman is optimistic about the team’s chances of at least reaching the Quarter-Finals of the FIBA Asia Championship, which tips off in less than a month in Tianjin, China.

Toroman, who guided Iran to the Asian title two years ago, a result that qualified them for the Olympics, is heavily involved with the Philippines national side though Yeng Guiao was recently installed as the coach.

The Philippines will take on Korea, Japan and Sri Lanka in Group A.

“Both teams are strong,” said Toroman. “But I think the Philippines will qualify for the Quarter-Finals.

“How far the team will go depends on the match-up in the Quarter-Finals.”

The top three sides in each of the four Preliminary Round groups will progress to the Eighth-Finals Round.

In that phase of the competition, the sides advancing from Groups A and B will go into Group E while the top three sides from Groups C and D will go into Group F.

Each team will play the three new teams in its own group.

If, as expected, the Philippines get through the Preliminary Round, they will face each of the three teams that emerge from Group B (Chinese Taipei, Kuwait, Iran and Uzbekistan).

The top four sides of Groups E and F will make it to the Quarter-Finals.

“In Group B, we also can’t discount Uzbekistan, which has several tall players (including 7-1 Sergey Karaulov, 7-0 Dmitry Sviridov and 6-7 Grigori Shukhovtsov),” Toroman said.

“Uzbekistan might be able to pull off an upset against any of the top teams in Group A.”

amdgc82
07-22-2009, 07:26 AM
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July 21, 2009
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Pelita Jaya Gets the Call To Represent Indonesia At FIBA Championship

Even though both of their seasons are over, Pelita Jaya Esia will have to finish what Garuda Flexi started.

Pelita Jaya will represent Indonesia at the men’s FIBA Asia Championship in August after the Indonesian Basketball Association (Perbasi) named it for the tournament instead of Garuda.

Garuda earned Indonesia a berth in the continental championship after finishing second in the Seaba regional championship in Medan, in June. It lost to the Philippines in the final.

Perbasi originally wanted to send Garuda, but the Bandung-based club said it could not go because it would not have sufficient preparation time if it reached the Indonesian Basketball League finals. The best-of-five finals take place July 25 to Aug. 3, and the Asian championship begins on Aug. 6 in Tianjin, China.

With Garuda out of the picture, Perbasi offered the spot to the other nine IBL clubs. Only Pelita showed interest, though, with Final Four clubs Satria Muda Britama, Aspac Jakarta and Nuvo CLS Knights offering the same excuse as Garuda.

“Pelita said its players were ready to play and, as they weren’t playing in the Final Four, the club had more time to prepare for the championship,” Azwar Zulkarnaen, Perbasi’s head of development, said on Wednesday.

Garuda ultimately missed out on the Final Four, losing 2-1 to Aspac in the semifinals. Pelita lost 2-1 to Nuvo in the quarterfinals.

Perbasi allowed Pelita, which will depart for China on Aug. 4, to borrow players from other IBL clubs for the tournament.

It selected Garuda guard Kelly Purwanto, Aspac center Isman Thoyib and forwards Agustinus Indrajaya of CLS and Charles Indrawan of Bima Sakti. Pelita was drawn in Group D with 2007 runner-up Jordan , Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates, and manager Ronald Simanjuntak said the team would not be daunted by the size of the task.

“Winning or losing won’t matter much for us as long as we keep playing our best in every match as we will bear the country’s name,” Ronald told state-run news agency Antara.

“We’ll also help the country to promote its safety after the Jakarta bomb blast incident,” he said. “I know a lot of people will ask us about that in China.”

amdgc82
07-23-2009, 09:14 AM
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Final RP 12 selected, but…
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Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:32

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TAIPEI—Powerade-Team Pilipinas is doing just fine—despite the unexpected losses—according to the coaching staff.

And they wouldn’t want to cause a stir.

Team management, head coach Yeng Guiao and his lieutenants have decided on the final roster for the International Basketball Federation (Fiba)-Asia Men’s Championship in Tianjin, China, next month, but are deferring the announcement with still a few games left in the William R. Jones Cup basketball tournament here.

Team officials met on Tuesday night right after their 85-87 loss to Japan to finalize the roster.

The decision was unanimous. It took the officials at most 15 minutes to come up with the 12 players who will carry the country’s colors in the August 6 to 16 Tianjin event, a qualifier for next year’s World Championship in Turkey.

Fiba’s deadline for submission of final lineups for the regional qualifier was on Wednesday.

There were 14 candidates for the final lineup, excluding Wynnie Arboleda who was not included in the original 15 names the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) submitted to Fiba—meaning two will be relegated to the reserve list.

Kelly Williams was the first to be dropped because of a blood disorder that has put him out of competition for three months now.

So far, Willie Miller, Japeth Aguilar, Kerby Raymundo, James Yap and Jayjay Helterbrand are said to be “shoo-ins” because they are the so-called priority players in their respective positions and are performing according to expectations in the Jones Cup.

Ryan Reyes and Mick Pennisi have yet to see action here with the latter still feeling pain in his hamstring and the former complaining of back pains.

PBA commissioner Sonny Barrios arrives on Thursday and might make the announcement, according to special assistant Willie Marcial, although he added the league official might heed Guiao’s request.

League operations chief Rickie Santos said the meeting was quick unlike in 2007 because everyone in the meeting, from the PBA officials to Guiao’s assistants and adviser Jong Uichico, was unanimous with their picks.

Two years ago, Chot Reyes, then mentor of the Philippine team for the Fiba-Asia tournament in Tokushima, Japan, had a lengthy discussion with other officials for one remaining spot. Yap and Renren Ritualo were the candidates, with the latter getting picked.

Guiao even used the Wednesday morning practice to validate their decision, besides preparing a game against Lebanon on Wednesday night although, according to Santos, the country can still replace an injured player in the final roster three days before the tournament proper in Tianjin.

Asi Taulava, the most veteran in the team, and Sonny Thoss are the only centers, while the forward position is overcrowded with Ranidel de Ocampo, Jared Dillinger, Gabe Norwood and Arwind Santos fighting for spots.

Yap and Miller are the team’s two guards while Helterbrand and Reyes are the playmakers, although it is feared the latter won’t be in full form for the China stint.

Reyes suffered a hamstring injury in the Southeast Asian Basketball Association (Seaba) Men’s Championship in Medan, Indonesia, in June, an injury that takes six to eight weeks to heal.

The Philippines played the Jackson Vroman-led Lebanon at Hsinchuang Gymnasium on Wednesday night. The Filipinos entered the game with a 1-3 card while the Lebanese had a 3-1 record.

The Filipinos meet South Korea on Thursday at 5 p.m. in another “feeling out” game for Guiao. The Koreans are bracketed with the Philippines along with Japan and Sri Lanka in Group A of the Tianjin competition.

amdgc82
07-24-2009, 09:52 PM
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Guessing game over, RP coach Guiao names ‘Final 12’
By Arman Carandang
07/25/2009

TAIWAN — The coaching staff of the Powerade Team Pilipinas revealed yesterday the composition of the team which will compete in the Men’s Championship in Tiajin, China early next month.

The Final 12, which in the words of Coca-Cola JB Baylon "are itching for the real thing," are Jared Dillinger, Kerby Raymundo, James Yap, Sonny Thoss, Paul Asi Taulava, Gabe Norwood, Willie Miller, Arwind Santos, Jayjay Helterbrand, Cyrus Baguio, Japeth Aguilar and Mic Pennisi.

Dropped from the 14-man training pool were Ranidel de Ocampo and Ryan Reyes, ending days of the guessing game going the rounds among the players themselves and basketball officials since the team started its campaign in the 31st William Jones Cup here.

"I asked the consensus of the whole coaching staff. It was not really difficult to come up with the decision," said national head coach Yeng Guiao.

PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios, who arrived here Thursday, made the announcement during breakfast with Team Manager JB Baylon at the Sunworld Dynasty Hotel.

"We are forced to name the 12. If we could only name the 14…," said Barrios, somewhat apologetic in tone knowing the bonding the players have developed since the league nominated them to the training pool last year.

Guiao said they have seen Ranidel de Ocampo in international competition and found out that "he’s a bit undersized in his position." De Ocampo plays forward.

Reyes, on the other hand, personally offered to be dropped from the team after revealing that he may not be able to give his all because of his pulled hamstring.

Guiao had been saying the Sta. Lucia Realty playmaker Reyes is needed in the team, although he said he believes the two other shooting guards – Ginebra’s Helterbrand and Purefoods’ James Yap – "have more to show."

amdgc82
07-24-2009, 10:12 PM
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Guiao names RP team to Tianjin
By TITO TALAO
July 24, 2009, 8:53pm

TAIPEI — The shroud is off for Powerade-Team Pilipinas after coach Yeng Guiao bared Friday morning the official lineup to the 25th FIBA Asia Men’s Championship set August 6-16 in Tianjin, China.

Over breakfast before the team went to practice, Guiao named to the squad Jayjay Helterbrand, Willie Miller, Gabe Norwood, Arwind Santos, Jared Dillinger, Cyrus Baguio, Japeth Aguilar, Kerby Raymundo, Sonny Thoss, James Yap, Asi Taulava, and Mick Pennisi.

A shoo-in, point guard Ryan Reyes, who has yet to recover fully from an injury suffered in the 8th SEABA Championship in Medan two months ago, reportedly asked to be excluded from the roster Thursday due to continuing pain in his left hamstring muscle.

Forward Ranidel de Ocampo, clearly undersized against opponents playing his position, was also placed in reserve.

Injuries, though not welcomed, Guiao said, could shake up the lineup.

“We’re not discounting that possibility,” he said. “I understand we can still change any injured player three days before the tournament begins.”

Guiao has been consulting with his coaching staff, including former national mentor Jong Uichico, who has since left, for the past few days and the group reached a “consensus” Thursday night.

“It wasn’t really difficult,” Guiao said.

PBA commissioner Renauld ‘Sonny’ Barrios, who arrived with RP team manager JB Baylon Thursday in time for the game with South Korea in the 31st William Jones Cup tournament, said it was imperative a final 12 be submitted to the FIBA Asia organizers.

“We had to beat the deadline,” Barrios said.

With Helterbrand playing intermittently because of recurring tightness in his hamstring, the point guard spot remains a vulnerable area for the RP team, forcing Guiao to leave the door ajar for Reyes’ return.

“I would’ve preferred to have Ryan in the team but he admitted he won’t be a hundred percent in Tianjin,” said Guiao, adding, however, “pero pag naramdaman niyang okey na siya, then we’ll find a way for him.”

amdgc82
07-25-2009, 07:37 AM
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Ryan, Ranidel out of RP team
By Nelson Beltran Updated July 25, 2009 12:00 AM

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PBA commissioner Sonny Barrios, left, national coach Yeng Guiao, center, and team manager JB Baylon announce the final lineup of the Powerade RP team bound for FIBA-Asia tournament in Tianjin, China next month.

TAIPEI – Ryan Reyes and Ranidel de Ocampo were relegated to the reserve list of Powerade Team Pilipinas, which journeys to Tianjin, China next month in chase of a slot for the 2010 World Championship in Turkey.

Reyes is out due to a hamstring injury while De Ocampo failed to make the roster as the coaching staff considered him undersized for the forward position.

Making the RP roster for the 2009 FIBA-Asia championship set Aug. 6-16 in Tianjin are Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi, Japeth Aguilar, Sonny Thoss, Kerby Raymundo, Arwind Santos, Jarred Dillinger, Gabe Norwood, Cyrus Baguio, James Yap, Willie Miller and Jayjay Helterbrand.

Reyes would have been a shoo-in for one of the point guard spots but the prized Sta. Lucia playmaker himself told the coaching staff Wednesday he might not be 100 percent healthy by the time the Tianjin joust is held.

De Ocampo, meanwhile, was bumped off by much bigger front court players in Taulava, Thoss, Pennisi, Aguilar and Raymundo. He’s relegated as a reserve as what had happened to him in the 2007 Asian meet in Tokushima.

Coach Yeng Guiao announced the final composition of the team after a breakfast talk with team manager JB Baylon and PBA commissioner Sonny Barrios yesterday.

“I asked the consensus of the coaching staff, including coach Jong (Uichico). It wasn’t really difficult to come up with the decision,” said Guiao.

“I would have preferred for Ryan to be in the team but he himself admitted he won’t be 100 percent ready by Tianjin. It’s good to have somebody who’s healthy rather than take the risk on somebody who’s injured,” Guiao added.

“It’s not a matter of two players playing or performing less. It’s just we have to name 12. If we can name 14, we’ll name all them to the team,” said Barrios.

Baylon said Reyes and De Ocampo will go to Tianjin with the team.

“In case there’s an injury in the team, we’re still allowed to replace any injured player three days before the tournament. It’s always a possibility and if anybody gets injured, the next guy likely to come in is Ranidel,” said Guiao.

If Reyes mends in time, Guiao said he would automatically be tapped in.

“Once he feels he’s okay, we’ll find a way to include him. We really need him in the team.” said Guiao, pointing out Helterbrand is the only natural point guard left in the team minus Reyes.

Meanwhile, the Nationals play their penultimate game in the 31st William Jones Cup competition versus Chinese Taipei-B at 3 p.m. today at the Hsinchuang Gymnasium here.

Guiao and his chargers are cramming in their training and preparation with less than two weeks to go before the opening of the Asian championship which serves as the regional qualifier for the 2010 world meet.

They close out their stint versus Iran tomorrow then leave for home Monday. They resume practice the very next day.

“We’ll not have much change in the system. We just have to improve our defense, physical condition and do extensive shooting practice,” said Guiao.

NOTES: James Yap flew home ahead of the team yesterday to be with his wife Kris who is attending to her ailing mom, former President Cory Aquino. Yap left with a sore nape incurred in a collision with a Kazakhstan rival Monday. “I thought of Eugene Tejada when I was hit,” said Yap... The RP team is looking to offer a mass for President Cory. At press time, PBA media bureau chief Willy Marcial was in search of a Filipino priest here to say mass.

insulares
08-05-2009, 11:15 AM
Good luck, TEAM PILIPINAS!

clutchjedi
08-06-2009, 10:32 AM
An easy 115-31 win :D Next up, Japan tomorrow 9 PM.

crazybedan
08-06-2009, 02:02 PM
sir san ung sked ng games?at televised b ung mga games? ???

CrossOver
08-06-2009, 03:24 PM
Live sa BTV & CS9

gienecees
08-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Tinambakan din ng Korea ang Japan 95-74! nilabas na ng Korea ang 7'2 center nila na si Ha :) itinago nila sa Jones Cup.

Mukhang mas mahihirapan ang frontline ng Pinas vs Sokor.


By the way lahat ng sponsored ng Nike na uniforms parang pare pareho ang design? Check out: RP TEAM, TAIWAN at SOUTH KOREA, nagulat ako kac kala ko naglaro ulit ang Pinas the same day un pala SOKOR un, ung kulay blue nman ng Taiwan un ang Blue jersey ng Pinas =) How much kaya ito paglabas sa market?


from teampinas.info:

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TAIWAN Uniform:

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Taiwan vs Iran Aug 6, 2009 FIBA ASIA


KOREA Uniform:

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gienecees
08-06-2009, 05:08 PM
Grabe kahit anjan si Ehdadi ng IRan hirap sila sa Taiwan!! Lumakas na ang dating tinatalo talo nating Taiwan TEam!!

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clutchjedi
08-06-2009, 05:52 PM
The Japan game is probably the most crucial one in determining our fate in this tourney. If we lose this then it's most likely we finish no higher than 7th-8th.

The top 6 teams in Group A+B are Iran, Korea, Philippines, Japan, Taiwan, and Uzbekistan/Kuwait.

Our goal should be to place at least 3rd in that group, meaning we likely need to beat out Japan, Taiwan, & Uzbekistan/Kuwait, assuming Iran and Korea are much tougher than those.

If we place 4th, we still make it to the knockout final 8, but immediately face the 1st placer from Group C+D - most likely an undefeated China.

So we should aim for at least 3rd place in the group, and on paper Japan seems to be our biggest rival for that (so far). I hope we don't get a false sense of security that we just need to make top 3 in Group A for now, because the record gets carried over to Group A+B. :)

clutchjedi
08-06-2009, 05:56 PM
^ Looks like Iran's sluggish in their first game again! (Similar to their game vs RP in 2007.) :)

chinito_guy
08-06-2009, 06:22 PM
^ Looks like Iran's sluggish in their first game again! (Similar to their game vs RP in 2007.) :)


well i dunno guys, but basing from the performance of Taiwan in the Jones cup tournament and their first game in the 2009 FIBA-Asia against defending powerhouse Iran, I say Taiwan is looking pretty good to be the Darkhorse of the tournament.

They even led in the last 4:30 in the 4th Qrtr: Iran 62 - Taiwan 63 and only loss by 4 points:
Iran 71 - Taiwan 67 Final.

In the Jones cup i thought Taiwan was just very lucky to win over Iran, but their last encounter (that happened earlier in the FIBA-Asia) proved that it was not all luck, Taiwan is a force to reckon with. They continued to expose the weakness of Iran, something the RP team failed to do, and perhaps they could be the kryptonite of the Superhouse teams.

gienecees
08-06-2009, 09:01 PM
The Taiwanese national Team is not a Fluke! they are a real contender in the 2nd Round for any team.

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp255/gienecees/taiwan5.jpg

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gienecees
08-06-2009, 10:50 PM
Tambak ang LEbanEse sa Jordanians!

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Lebanese Vroman,El Kathib, Freije, Feghali are no match with Rasheim Wright and the Jordanians.






FIBA ASIA Day 1 REsults:



G1 PHI 115 - SRI 31
G2 QAT 77 - KAZ 62
G3 KOR 90 - JAP 74
G4 IRI 71 - TAI 67
G5 CHI 121 - IND 49
G6 UAE 68 - INO 63
G7 KWT 69 - UZB 64
G8 JOR 84 - LEB 67

crazybedan
08-07-2009, 01:43 PM
anu oras ung game ng team pilipinas mamaya vs japan? ???ph time?

chinito_guy
08-07-2009, 02:20 PM
anu oras ung game ng team pilipinas mamaya vs japan? ???ph time?


dito pre check mo: http://teampilipinas.info/2009/08/fiba-asia-mens-championships-full.html

crazybedan
08-07-2009, 02:29 PM
anu oras ung game ng team pilipinas mamaya vs japan? ???ph time?


dito pre check mo: http://teampilipinas.info/2009/08/fiba-asia-mens-championships-full.html


now i kno - MP hahaha tnx sir

CrossOver
08-07-2009, 10:17 PM
Coach Yeng galing mo talagang mag tago nahihilo na Japan
Go RP!!!

kuzma1313
08-07-2009, 10:21 PM
Sana manalo ang PILIPINAS!

GO, POWERADE TEAM!

CrossOver
08-07-2009, 10:38 PM
Philippines 2-0
S. Korea 2-0
Japan 0-2
Sri Lanka 0-2

Let see bukas if anong bala naman lalabas ni coach Yeng sana hindi "supot" ;D

shyboy
08-07-2009, 10:43 PM
The secret is in those body-hugging jerseys. :o ;D

gienecees
08-07-2009, 10:46 PM
I salute the effort!!!

The win was a hard-earned one, and the team deserve all the credit!!

Grabe Puso nila ASI!!! I salute!!! ;D ;D ;D


11 man team lang ang RP TEAM kanina, mukhang sprained ankle si Japeth kailangan natin si japeth bukas against KOREA!

tigerman
08-07-2009, 10:47 PM
Team Pilpinas defeats Japan 78-69. Congrats to the team.

the good:
- timely contributions from our bigs. Asi finished what Thoss and Pennisi started.
- better outside shooting (Mick had 3 in the 1st half alone and James Yap debuts with 2)
- better team defense (Japan only had 3 assists and struggled offensively in the 2nd half)
- RP showed composure and poise despite Japan's great start.

the bad:
- useless fouls
- turnovers
- Japan had a lot of offensive rebounds
- poor start

Hopefully our 3-point shooting would be much better. We did convert 9 out of 29 for only 31%.

I was wondering though why Coach Yeng didn't use Japeth in the game.



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

gienecees
08-07-2009, 10:49 PM
^ mukhang lumala ang sprained ankle ni Japeth :(

lekiboy
08-07-2009, 10:58 PM
the main weapon was their RED uniform.... ;D

CrossOver
08-07-2009, 11:19 PM
Malamang nirereserve ni Yeng para bukas si Japeth

gienecees
08-07-2009, 11:23 PM
the main weapon was their RED uniform.... ;D


oo ang ganda nga ng RED uniform nila ;D ;D ;D i thought blue parin pero mukhang binigay na nila sa Taiwan ung BLue Uniform nila! sana makabili ako ng RED NIKE RP JERSEY! ;D ;D ;D

courtesy of teampilipinas.info


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D_I_A
08-07-2009, 11:39 PM
the main weapon was their RED uniform.... ;D


oo ang ganda nga ng RED uniform nila ;D ;D ;D i thought blue parin pero mukhang binigay na nila sa Taiwan ung BLue Uniform nila! sana makabili ako ng RED NIKE RP JERSEY! ;D ;D ;D


or red jacket na nike.. anyone here knows kung may nilabas na yung nike philippines ng jacket ulit after the earlier edition na blue yung color? thanks

gienecees
08-07-2009, 11:43 PM
FIBA ASIA 2009 LATEST STANDINGS AUG 7, 2009:

GROUP A

KOREA 2-0
PHIL 2-0
JAPAN 0-2
SRI LANKA 0-2

GROUP B

IRAN 2-0
TAIWAN 1-1
KUWAIT 1-1
UZBEKISTAN 0-2


GROUP C

CHINA 2-0
QATAR 2-0
INDIA 0-2
KAZAK 0-2

GROUP D

JORDAN 2-0
LEBANON 1-1
UAE 1-1
INDONESIA 0-2

chinito_guy
08-08-2009, 12:09 AM
from www.gmanews.tv

RP 5 beats Japan for 2nd win in FIBA-Asia tilt

08/07/2009 | 10:42 PM

Powerade-Team Pilipinas came back from an 11-point first half deficit to turn back Japan, 78-69, for its second straight win in the 25th FIBA-Asia men's basketball championship in Tianjin, China.

Now tied with Korea with similar 2-0 wins, the Nationals and Koreans dispute the top spot in Group A when they clash in a highly-anticipated showdown Saturday at the Tianjin gym.

"Although this is just our second game but I think it’s gonna go a long way towards improving our finish in the last FIBA-Asia. I can’t claim any credit. It was really the guys who threw their sheer determination and will to win."
– Yeng Guiao, Team Pilipinas coach

The win also atoned for the Nationals' heartbreaking 85-87 loss to the same Japanese crew in the last month’s William Jones Cup tournament in Taipei in a game that saw them squander a 19-point first half lead.

Sonny Thoss, who had to start at center in the absence of Japeth Aguilar (strained knee), topscored for 18 points and grabbed eight rebounds, while Asi Taulava came off the bench and added 11 and eight boards to lead the RP squad’s big second half comeback.

Pennisi bucked a hurting back and finished with nine points, providing timely baskets when the chips were down for the RP team, which trailed by as many as 16-5 in the first quarter.

“Although this is just our second game but I think it’s gonna go a long way towards improving our finish in the last FIBA-Asia," said coach Yeng Guiao after the game.

“I can’t claim any credit. It was really the guys who threw their sheer determination and will to win."

Playing catch-up early on, the Nationals didn’t really grab the lead until the318 mark of the third quarter on a Willie Miller basket, 50-49.

A kamikaze drive by Cyrus Baguio, a Taulava lay up and another basket by Baguio capped a 6-2 spurt by the Philippines for a 56-53 lead entering the final 10 minutes.

Powerade-RP then began the period with a 16-4 run, which Taulava started with a lay up and finished it with a one-handed slam at the 5:05 mark for the Nationals’ biggest lead of the game, 72-57.

Scores:
Powerade-RP 78 – Thoss 15, Taulava 11, Miller 10, Yap 9, Pennis 9, Baguio 8, Helterbrand 5, Norwood 3, Raymundo 3, Santos 3, Dillinger 2.
Japan (69) – Yamada 16, Takeuchi 14, Igarashi 13, Kashiwagi 12, Takeuchi J 8, Ito 4, Amino 2, Takeda 0.
Quarter scores: 17-22; 35-41; 56-53; 78-69.

The Japanese, playing minus top gunner Takehiko Orimo (food poisoning), began to press and threatened for the last time at 67-75.

But James Yap, playing his first game with the Nationals, secured the win with a three-pointer, 78-69, to cut short another miracle comeback bid by the Japanese.

The Nationals trailed 35-41 after two quarters, a deficit that could had been even bigger had Arwind Santos not connected on a three-pointer at the halftime buzzer.

Japan outrebounded the RP squad, 25-18, and went 8-of-12 from the foul line as the Nationals only attempted once from the same area, a split by Kerby Raymundo with 8:02 gone by in the first period.

The Nationals also committed seven turnovers to Japan’s four.

Behind a 9-0 run, the Japanese raced to an early 16-5 lead.

But Pennisi, Gabe Norwood and Yap came off the bench and provided the spark from the outside.

Pennisi hit a three and so did Norwood to beat the first quarter buzzer and made it 17-22, before Yap began the second period with a trey of his own to trim the gap to within two.

Defensive lapses and poor execution by the Nationals however, allowed the Japanese to pull away again, 38-30.

Pennisi, ailing back and all, had nine points at the half on 3-of-5 shooting from downtown while grabbing three rebounds. Milled added eight after going 4-of-5 from the floor.

In other games, Chinese-Taipei overwhelmed Kuwait, 73-51, to tie its victim at 1-1 in Group B, Qatar turned back India, 90-70, in Group C while powerhouse China (2-0) cruised to a 74-56 victory over Kazakhstan as New Jersey Nets forward Yi Jianlian hit 17 points and had 10 rebounds in another Group C match. – GMANews.TV

chinito_guy
08-08-2009, 12:10 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D 2-0!! Bukas THE REAL THING! ;D ;D ;D ;D

fujima04
08-08-2009, 03:17 AM
The RP Powerade Team peaked at the right time.

Noong una hirap na hirap makuha natin ang lamang. 6 bababa sa 4 or 2 tapos 6 ulit.

Pero nung makalamang na sa 3rd quarter, tuloy-tuloy na. No more looking back.

Goodluck sa games against Korea.

coreytaylor
08-08-2009, 09:31 AM
Kodus to our big men Asi, Sonny, and Mick! They stood their ground against the bigger front line of Japan. Great team effort. Everyone contributed.

zytrexx
08-08-2009, 09:45 AM
My Fearless Forecast
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The 2009 FIBA Asia Championship serves as the qualifier for the 2010 FIBA World Basketball Championship in Turkey wherein the top three finishers will meet the reigning 2007 World Champions Spain, the 2008 Olympic gold medalists United States and the host team Turkey.

The Islamic Republic of Iran aims to defend its title won at Tokushima, Japan in 2007 wherein the Philippines placed ninth. Iran went on to play in the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing for the first time. Ironically, former Iran coach Rajko Toroman is now the coach of the Philippine Developmental Team (known as "Smart Gilas"), which is tasked to qualify the 2012 Summer Olympics in London by finishing in the top three at the 2011 FIBA Asia Championship. The Philippines is seriously bidding to host the tournament.

In this tournament, the host team China is favored even though Yao Ming may not play but having NBA players in the lineup is a big boost to their campaign not to mention that they have the home crowd. Iran may be the defending champions but I find them overrated. I believe the real powerhouse in this tournament is South Korea, Jordan and Lebanon. Many of the teams were downplaying the chances of the Philippines of going all the way to the title considering the team's lopsided performance in the 20th Jones Cup in Taiwan.

The tournament is divided into four groups of four teams with the last player in the group stages will be eliminated. Three teams from Group A and B will be merged into another group (Group E) while the top three teams of both Group C and D will also be merged (Group F). Results of the games of the teams that previously played in the group stages will be carried over.

The top four teams in Group E and F will play in a crossover quarterfinal round wherein the top seed will play against the lower seed (no. 1 vs. no. 4 and no. 2 vs. no. 3). The winners will play in a knockout semifinals. The semifinal winners that will play in the finals are already assured of a slot in the 2010 FIBA World Championships. The third-place match will be disputed for the last slot.

At least three more teams can be selected as wild cards by FIBA to complete the 24-team cast for the World championship.

Group A: Philippines, South Korea, Japan, Sri Lanka
Group B: Iran, Chinese Taipei, Kuwait, Uzbekistan
Group C: Qatar, Kazakhstan, China, India
Group D: Indonesia, UAE, Jordan, Lebanon
* - Teams in bold are considered the favorites in the group, while those underlined are expected to be eliminated.

In Group A, I see the South Koreans finishing the top of the group but the game between the Philippines and the Koreans would be a close one. I just hope the Filipinos will play their "A" game. Though Team Pilipinas almost defeated the Koreans in Taipei, the Koreans never used their best lineup because of the absence of former NBA player Ha Seung-Jin. Can Japeth Aquilar, Asi Taulava and Mick Pennisi contain the 7'5" behemoth? Japan could be the darkhorse team in the group because they surprised the Philippines by coming from behind to win over the Filipinos, who were leading at that game for as much as 18 points.

Group A
1- South Korea 3-0
2- Philippines 2-1
3- Japan 1-2
4- Sri Lanka 0-3

Group B is obviously an up for grabs series for the Iranians and Taiwanese. Iran has barely survived a Chinese-Taipei comeback earlier today, so it looks like the Iranians will sweep the group stages. I'm a little bit confused of which team will be eliminated but I believe that the Kuwaiti team will edge out the Uzbeks for the final cut.

Group B
1- Iran 3-0
2- Chinese Taipei 2-1
3- Kuwait 1-2
4- Uzbekistan 0-3

Group C is also a competitive group because of the presence of the host team China and perennial darkhorses Qatar and Kazakhstan. India can only play as the spoiler for this group but in the end I find China to top this group and Qatar edging Kazakhstan for a bridesmaid finish.

Group C
1. China 3-0
2. Qatar 2-1
3. Kazakhstan 1-2
4. India 0-3

Lastly, Group D may probably feature good matchup in the tournament because I'm not sure who will top this group. Jordan and Lebanon are reinforced by naturalized Americans like Rasheim Wright for the Jordanians and Jackson Vroman for the Lebanese. But the experience of the Lebanese in big competition may give them an edge over the Jordanians. Obviously, Indonesia will be no match against their Middle Eastern opponents.

Group D
1. Lebanon 3-0
2. Jordan 2-1
3. UAE 1-2
4. Indonesia 0-3

In the next round, the the top finishers will be grouped into two groups of six teams. Group E will have the Philippines, South Korea, Japan, Iran, Chinese Taipei and Kuwait while Group F will have China, Kazakhstan, Qatar, Lebanon, Jordan and UAE.

In the standings, Group E and F (including the record from the group stages) would probably look like this:

Group E
1. Iran 7-0
2. South Korea 5-2
3. Philippines 5-2
4. Chinese Taipei 2-5
5. Japan 1-6
6. Kuwait 0-7

Group F
1. China 7-0
2. Lebanon 5-2
3. Jordan 5-2
4. Kazakhstan 2-5
5. Qatar 2-5
6. UAE 1-6

With this placings, the knockout stages would look like this:

E1: Iran
F4: Kazakhstan

2F: Lebanon
3E: Philippines

2E: South Korea
3F: Jordan

1F: China
4E: Chinese-Taipei

Iran would relatively steamroll over Kazakhstan but the Kazakhs may give the Iranians a run for their money but I find it a tall order. The Philippines are in a must win situation against the Lebanese, so far, the Lebanese has been the more dominant team against the Philippines. I have to say, the Philippines may edge the Lebanese in a very close game. The three-point shooting of the Koreans may spell the difference and may end the Jordanians' FIBA Asia campaign but I would not be surprised if the Jordanians may upset the Koreans. And finally, the Mainlanders will overwhelmed their Islander brothers, the host team will prevail.

The semifinal cast would look like this:

Semifinal 1: Iran vs. Philippines
Semifinal 2: South Korea vs. China

Iran may outplay the Philippines as it big men will make shooting hard for the Filipinos but I would like to see the Philippines take Iran to the limit. And in a blockbuster game, China will simply pull away against the Koreans.

Therefore the Philippines should win against the Koreans in the third place match, the final slot for the FIBA World Championships. China will eventually win the title over Iran.

zytrexx
08-08-2009, 09:50 AM
Philippines 115, Sri Lanka 31
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Philippines 78, Japan 69
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clutchjedi
08-08-2009, 10:48 AM
http://china2009.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/09/fascm/p/schedule.html

Looking ahead at the schedule...our next 3 games will be on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday against the top 3 from Group B (almost surely Iran, Taiwan, Kuwait)

If we beat Korea, we place as A1 and get B3 B2 B1 (Kuwait Taiwan Iran) all at 9 AM.

If we lose to Korea, we place as A2 and get B2 B1 B3 (Taiwan Iran Kuwait) all at 11 AM. (corrected below)

...At dahil umaga ang mga laro, hopefully lahat yan may replay pag gabi sa BTV :D... (sana nga pati CS9!)

No games on Thursday (UAAP muna :D), then Fri-Sat-Sun will be QFs (Final 8-), Semis (Final 4), and Finals respectively. All knockout games and no rest day, so conditioning and depth will be a factor.


Edited to add:
Either I misread the sched, or the gametimes in the format are subject to change to make for variety or better TV/audience/competitive schedules.

So our next 3 games (Mon-Wed) would be
Mon: Taiwan 4pm
Tues: Iran 11am
Wed: Kuwait 9am

jayloui
08-08-2009, 11:29 AM
looking at the schedule, I can say that this year's TEAM PILIPINAS has a good chance of reaching the semis. more of last night's grit in defense and offensive prowess..

CrossOver
08-08-2009, 05:57 PM
mas malaki ata ang chance n maka 3rd place tyu if matatalo tayo sa laban maya sa S. Korea 8)

zytrexx
08-08-2009, 07:31 PM
2009 FIBA Asia Championships: Philippines vs South Korea
http://zytrexx.multiply.com/journal/item/287/2009_FIBA_Asia_Championships_Philippines_vs_South_ Korea

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With two games over, the undefeated teams in Group A will finally meet in this highly anticipated matchup between the unpredictable Philippine team, which is still struggling to find its rhythm despite an impressive win against Sri Lanka and a gutsy come-from-behind thriller against Japan, and the reinforced-South Korean team, which is led by former Portland Trailblazer Ha Seung-Jin and Argentine-Korean Kim Min-Soo.

The two teams have a very interesting rivalry and now it seems a new war has to be fought again. The Koreans have dealt a killer blow to the Philippines in previous meetings, including a victory by an understrength Korean B team in the 20th William Jones Cup in Taiwan a few months ago. Remember the heartbreaking game-winning buzzer-beater that sent the Philippines packing in the Busan Asian Games basketball competition, which was eventually won by the host team!

Its payback time for the Filipinos and this time, this will be one of the most crucial games of the tournament for them because they will have to meet the same team in the next round. Every game counts as the record in this round-robin group stages will be carried over.

Statistically, the Koreans are obviously superhuman in terms of three-point shooting. The live and die with their three-point shots. Its surprising that the Filipinos have a lower shooting clip than their opponents even if the three-point arc is a bit shorter than the typical three-point arc in the Philippine Basketball Association. The Koreans are masters in the transition game because if you happen to see their previous encounter, the Koreans ran our boys to the ground. Another thing that the Filipinos that they should work on is their freethrow shooting and limiting their fouls.

Here is their comparative statistics after 2 games played:

Philippines Korea
Points/Game 96.5 108.5
Rebounds/Game 47.5 39.5
- Offensive 14.5 11.0
- Defensive 33.0 28.5
Assists/Game 17.5 18.5
2pt FG% 61.2% 64.8%
3pt FG% 31.2% 45.7%
FT% 59.5% 74.4%

If its a high scoring game, then the Koreans may have a better chance of beating the Philippines in convincing fashion. If the Philippines lose this one, though they may still qualify to the next round, then the turnovers and their shot selection will be the reason for their downfall. No doubt about that. Take note that the Koreans shoot very well from the field and so they don't have to rebound that much. And because they love to play off the break, their fluid motion offense provides more assists and easy shots. The Philippines will have to outplay their guards so that they can have a good chance of winning the game.

Key Matchups

A) In the Paint
Asi Taulava / Sonny Thoss / Japeth Aguilar / Kerby Raymundo vs Ha Seung-Jin / Kim Joo-Sung / Lee Kyu Sup
Points: Advantage (Philippines) +5.4 points
Rebounds: Advantage (Philippines) +9.1 rebounds
Blocks: Advantage (Korea) +0.4 blocks

These stats showed that the Philippine frontline has the upperhand because of the fact that they have to work hard for their shots and so the big men will have to fill in the gaps left behind by the Philippines' bad field goal shooting. Taulava and company has to work hard in the paint for every loose ball opportunity while the Korean big men doesn't need to score big because their backcourt and wingmen will take care of the points including their killer threes. The Koreans will have to bother the shots made by the Philippines so that they can control their fast transition plays.

B) Wingmen
Cyrus Baguio / Jared Dillinger / Arwind Santos vs Kim Min-Soo / Oh Sekeun / Lee Dong Jun
Points: Advantage (Philippines) +5.0 points
Rebounds: Advantage (Korea) +0.87 rebounds
Assists: Even
Steals: Advantage (Philippines) +0.83 steals

The Philippines has a big advantage in the wigmen position because they are more athletic and agile than their Korean counterparts. However, Kim Min-Soo is the most difficult player to guard because of his versatility. He can play multiple positions and shoots well in the three-point arc. If the Filipino wingmen can contain their Korean opponents then they can make their night a bad one.

C) Guards
Willie Miller / Gabe Norwood / Jayjay Helterbrand / James Yap vs Lee Jung-Suk / Kang Byung-Hyun / Yang Donggeun / Joo Hee-Jung / Yang Hee-Jong
Points: Advantage (Korea) +3.95 points
Rebounds: Advantage (Korea) +0.17 rebounds
Assists: Advantage (Philippines) +0.46
Steals: Even
Turnovers: Advantage (Korea) -0.3

According to the stats, it seems the Koreans live and die with their backcourt. They outscore and out-rebounded their Filipino counterparts in these categories. The three-point shooting will be the key here and so the Filipinos should limit the scoring of Yang Hee-Jung so that they can keep the score close. They also have to take care of the ball and capitalize all miscues because if they can't, the Koreans will take advantage of unforced errors and missed shots.

D) X-Factor
Mick Pennisi (PHI)
4.5 points/game; 3.5 rebounds/game; 42.9% 3pt FG%
* Against Japan, he had 9 points; 6 rebounds; 3/7 (42.9%) 3pt shooting

This game will be crucial if Pennisi plays well or not. If he has a good game, then the Philippines can pull a surprise over the favored Koreans.

CrossOver
08-08-2009, 10:32 PM
ayos mas ok ito na natalo tayo me pag-asa na tayu sa 3rd place 8)

gienecees
08-08-2009, 10:43 PM
From teampilipinas.info

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/995/day3.gif


FIBA ASIA 2009 LATEST STANDINGS AUG 8, 2009:

GROUP A

KOREA 3-0
PHIL 2-1
JAPAN 1-2
SRI LANKA 0-3 X eliminated

GROUP B

IRAN 3-0
TAIWAN 2-1
KUWAIT 1-2
UZBEKISTAN 0-3 X eliminated


GROUP C

CHINA 3-0
QATAR 2-1
KAZAK 1-2
INDIA 0-3 X eliminated

GROUP D

JORDAN 3-0
LEBANON 2-1
UAE 1-2
INDONESIA 0-3 X eliminated

D_I_A
08-08-2009, 10:51 PM
is this the start of the losing streak for our team

zytrexx
08-08-2009, 11:01 PM
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m294/zytrexx/phi-kor.jpg
http://zytrexx.multiply.com/journal/item/287/2009_FIBA_Asia_Championships_Philippines_vs_South_ Korea

Game Highlights

The game started with the Philippines again starting slow and the Koreans capitalized their weak shooting as they jump start to an early lead. The Korean big guys are bullying the inside as the Philippines keep on fouling and the Koreans kept on swishing their freethrows.

The Philippines commandeered a run that cut the lead further, thanks to an amazing play by James Yap over the outstretch arms of Ha Seung-Jin. The Koreans were plagued in a series of bad plays. Great defense by the Philippines, as the Koreans struggled in their three-point shooting. A low scoring affair as Korea takes the lead 15-13 at the end of the first quarter.

The Koreans have already started to tighten their defense as they force the Filipinos to costly turnovers. Cyrus Baguio made a series of great defensive and offensive plays as they pushed the lead down to a precarious point.

This time the table has been turned as the Filipinos took the momentum and forced the Koreans to miss and into awful turnovers. Kim Min-Soo scored nine straight points as they stretched back the lead once again. The three-point shooting of the Koreans have started to click and they have began to break the game wide open. A big drought brought the Korean lead to as high as 13 points before Willie Miller snaps a trifecta. The first half ended with the Koreans still on top 35-25.

Another wave of Philippine rallies were kept in check by costly turnovers, though the lead was cut to four points. Bagiuo is like a typhoon wrecking the Korean defense. The Koreans held their ground and they blunted each counter attacks by the Filipinos. Its frustrating to see the players keep on fouling and giving freethrows to Koreans, who are not even attempting a shot. The Philippines is still playing catchup with the score 44-51 in favor of the Koreans.

Despite a series of heartbreaking boo boos, the Koreans are still maintaining a very slim lead. Egged on by the Chinese crowd, the Filipinos mounted a furious rally but again repeated by their own eagerness to score failed to get the lead. Frustration is mounting as the Filipinos keep on giving useless fouls. The Philippines is slowly running out of time and energy.

The Philippines was reduced to a jump-shooting team, as the Koreans made them pay for each mistake. The Koreans won a hard-fought game with the final score of 69-56. The Philippines absorbed its first defeat in the tournament.

The top performers of the game:

Philippines (2-0)
Cyrus Baguio (16 points, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block); Mick Pennisi (9 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks)
Quarter Scores: 1st-14; 2nd-25 (11); 3rd-44 (19); 4th-56 (12)

South Korea (2-0)
H. Yang (14 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal); S. Oh (11 points, 5 rebounds, 1 block); M. Kim (11 points, 4 rebounds)
Quarter Scores: 1st-17; 2nd-35 (18); 3rd-51 (16); 4th-69 (18)

chinito_guy
08-08-2009, 11:04 PM
What a coming out game for Cyrus "The Skyrus" Baguio, the lone one-man-wrecking crew for the RP Team, unfortunately it should be a team effort. The Koreans had a lot of respect for Cyrus when he started a run for the RP-Team early in the game. Skyrus now will forever SILENCE his critics and earned his place as a real superstar of the RP Team and probably the most exciting player to watch in the FIBA-ASIA 2009 tourney

SKyrus earned my respect for his performance tonight! **clap** **clap** **clap**

digitalsuperman
08-08-2009, 11:06 PM
sa monday na naman..against taiwan..sana manalo tayo... go Team Pilipinas.... manalo o matalo support parin....

tigerman
08-08-2009, 11:06 PM
Team Pilipinas tried and made a gallant stand against the taller and more cohesive team in S. Korea but poor shooting from both the freethrow line and from the 3-point area killed our chances.

Cyrus "Skyrus" Baguio, the most maligned member of the team, led the way with 16 points and was instrumental in that 3rd qtr. run. He was also the crowd favorite as you could hear the excitement everytime he has the ball in opencourt. While I understand the worries with regard to his inclusion (like he's not an outside shooter), he simply showed today that he's deserving of the spot in the team. His role is definitely to initiate the fastbreak game and put pressure on the defense.

If there's one player who I feel right now shouldn't have been included is Arwind Santos. He lacks the ballhandling skills of a "3" or the scoring skills of a "2" in international competitions.




USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

zytrexx
08-08-2009, 11:10 PM
Based on the standings:

GROUP A

KOREA 3-0
PHIL 2-1
JAPAN 1-2
SRI LANKA 0-3 X eliminated

GROUP B

IRAN 3-0
TAIWAN 2-1
KUWAIT 1-2
UZBEKISTAN 0-3 X eliminated

The Philippines will play against:
Chinese Taipei (tomorrow @ 4pm) 50% chance of winning
Iran (Monday @ 11am) 40% chance of winning
Kuwait (Tuesday @ 9am) 70% chance of winning

Group E
Korea 3-0
Iran 3-0
Philippines 2-1
Chinese Taipei 2-1
Japan 1-2
Kuwait 1-2

Hypothetical scenario:

KOR IRI PHI CT JAP KW
KOR X W X W X W = 6-0
IRI L X W X W X = 5-1
PHI X L X W X W = 4-2
CT L X L X W X = 3-3
JAP X L X L X W = 2-4
KW L X L X L X = 1-5

This scenario shows that the magic number is 2 wins, they have to atleast beat Chinese Taipei and Kuwait to qualify to the knockout quarterfinals.

zytrexx
08-08-2009, 11:12 PM
Team Pilipinas tried and made a gallant stand against the taller and more cohesive team in S. Korea but poor shooting from both the freethrow line and from the 3-point area killed our chances.

i believe its turnovers, poor shot selections, too many fouls given, unforced errors and too much dribbling exhibition....and of course moving without the ball should be the KEY....

tigerman
08-08-2009, 11:16 PM
Now the question is, where are the Baguio haters? ;D

The game would've been a blowout if not for his contributions.


USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

tigerman
08-08-2009, 11:19 PM
If there's one clear positive thing from the game, it was our perimeter defense on their shooters. They shot like 22% from the 3-pt. line. Even Mick, Asi and Thoss combined their efforts in trying to stop that 7'3'' Korean behemoth.



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

gienecees
08-08-2009, 11:25 PM
Kung papansinin natin dikit ang laban:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7638/40735909.gif

from www.teampilipinas.info

sayang talaga!! :D


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/580/stamnding3.gif

zytrexx
08-08-2009, 11:27 PM
If the Philippines manages to win only one game, then their campaign is over. The game against Iran is a tall order, they may lose that game and so they need to win over Chinese Taipei and Kuwait via large margin because we may never know when the scoring quotient becomes handy...

zytrexx
08-08-2009, 11:45 PM
GROUP A

KOREA 3-0
PHIL 2-1
JAPAN 1-2
SRI LANKA 0-3 X eliminated

GROUP B

IRAN 3-0
TAIWAN 2-1
KUWAIT 1-2
UZBEKISTAN 0-3 X eliminated

The Philippines will play against:
Chinese Taipei (tomorrow @ 4pm) 50% chance of winning
Iran (Monday @ 11am) 40% chance of winning
Kuwait (Tuesday @ 9am) 70% chance of winning

Group E
Korea 3-0
Iran 3-0
Philippines 2-1
Chinese Taipei 2-1
Japan 1-2
Kuwait 1-2

Hypothetical scenario A:

KOR IRI PHI CT JAP KW
KOR X W X W X W = 6-0
IRI L X W X W X = 5-1
PHI X L X W X W = 4-2
CT L X L X W X = 3-3
JAP X L X L X W = 2-4
KW L X L X L X = 1-5

This scenario shows that the magic number is 2 wins, they have to atleast beat Chinese Taipei and Kuwait to qualify to the knockout quarterfinals.

this is what i mean:

Hypothetical scenario B (if one game won)
KOR IRI PHI CT JAP KW
KOR X W X W X W = 6-0
IRI L X W X W X = 5-1
CT L X W X W X = 4-2
PHI X L X L X W = 3-3
JAP X L X L X W = 2-4
KW L X L X L X = 1-5

Hypothetical scenario C1 (if win all games and KOR loses to IRI)
KOR IRI PHI CT JAP KW
KOR X L X W X W = 5-1
IRI W X L X W X = 5-1
PHI X W X W X W = 5-1
CT L X L X W X = 3-3
JAP X L X L X W = 2-4
KW L X L X L X = 1-5
* - PHI can be number one if it has a superior quotient
a) 1-PHI; 2-KOR; 3-IRI
b) 1-PHI; 2-IRI; 3-KOR

Hypothetical scenario C2 (if win all games and KOR sweeps all its games)
KOR IRI PHI CT JAP KW
KOR X W X W X W = 6-0
PHI X W X W X W = 5-1
IRI L X L X W X = 4-2
CT L X L X W X = 3-3
JAP X L X L X W = 2-4
KW L X L X L X = 1-5
* - PHI will be number 2 seed

ito ang mangyayari if isa lang ang panalo natin sa next round....

sa ibang group, ito yung possible standing:

GROUP C

CHINA 3-0
QATAR 2-1
KAZAK 1-2
INDIA 0-3 X eliminated

GROUP D

JORDAN 3-0
LEBANON 2-1
UAE 1-2
INDONESIA 0-3 X eliminated

Hypothetical scenario
CHN JOR QAT LEB KAZ UAE
CHN X W X W X W = 6-0
JOR L X W X W X = 5-1
LEB L X W X W X = 4-2
QAT X L X L X W = 3-3
KAZ X L X L X W = 2-4
UAE L X L X L X = 1-5

zytrexx
08-08-2009, 11:56 PM
Basing hypothetical A (if PHI wins at least 2 games):
2F: JOR*
3E: PHI

Basing hypothetical B (if PHI wins only one game):
4E: PHI
1F: CHN*

Basing hypothetical C (if PHI wins all 3 games):
a) if number one seed
1E: PHI*
4F: QAT

b) if number two seed
2E: PHI
3F: LEB*

What are their chances?

tigerman
08-09-2009, 12:56 AM
Skyrus Baguio's highlights including that amazing behind the back dribble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6QLpwdNfw



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

gienecees
08-10-2009, 12:17 PM
WALLPAPER!!! KASO wala si ASI dito, bakit kaya? Dahil ba sa ACCEL???

The cool thing about this pic is that it formed the rp flag with the RED color on top of the BLUE which means "WAR".
;D ;D ;D


http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5707/wallpaper1024x768.jpg

CrossOver
08-10-2009, 05:40 PM
Pa kiss Miller lupet mo hahaha ;D

tigerman
08-10-2009, 05:43 PM
Our outside shooting finally made its presence felt! ;D
Yap had 6, Miller with 5, Jayjay with 2, and Cyrus/Mick with 1 apiece for a total of 15 three-pointers.

Congrats Team Pilipinas!



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

clutchjedi
08-10-2009, 05:43 PM
PHI beats TPE 77-70! :D

Clinching play was Willie Miller's 3-pointer off the dribble with 20secs left, PHI up by 2 and shot clock winding down, making it 75-70. :D

gienecees
08-10-2009, 05:43 PM
cONGrats!! RP TEAM!!!

RP 77 - CT 70

gienecees
08-10-2009, 05:45 PM
James Yap had 6 three-point SHOTS!!! ;D ;D ;D

D_I_A
08-10-2009, 06:11 PM
And because of that.. markado na si Yap at Miller.

Congrats sa RP-PBA Powerade Team!!!

clutchjedi
08-10-2009, 07:43 PM
With 2 games left, we're close to clinching at least 4th spot in group E but not yet mathematically guaranteed:
- if PHI goes 0-2, TPE 2-0 and KUW 2-0 : Taiwan 2 losses, Kuwait 3 losses, RP 3 losses including Kuwait
- if PHI goes 0-2, TPE 1-1 and KUW 2-0 : Taiwan, Kuwait, RP with 3 losses, quotient depends on Kuwait-RP

If Kuwait beats Japan tomorrow and we lose to Iran, PHI-KUW might effectively be a knockout game.

john_paul_manahan
08-11-2009, 12:36 AM
btw, willie was perfect from beyond the arc (5/5) and james yap was on nba jam mode in the third quarter.

still need some minor tinkering, but the team managed to pull our the win.

good luck against iran and their memphis grizzly and elbow-wielding center.

marmand
08-11-2009, 01:29 AM
James Yap had 6 three-point SHOTS!!! ;D ;D ;D


Can He do this in a consistent basis? If yes then our chances of upsetting Iran would be great. :)

gienecees
08-11-2009, 10:28 AM
James Yap had 6 three-point SHOTS!!! ;D ;D ;D


Can He do this in a consistent basis? If yes then our chances of upsetting Iran would be great. :)


only he can answer that ;) but we do hope that he'll be consistent from beyond the arc from now on.

aarreza
08-11-2009, 12:27 PM
Although we fell short, it was a pretty gutsy stand by the team. Iran just had a sufficient cushion. Anyway, goodluck on your game tomorrow against Kuwait. MABUHAY PILIPINAS!

Kid Cubao
08-11-2009, 12:34 PM
iran won 88-78. the story, though, is how team pilipinas never lost faith and kept fighting despite an earlier 27-point deficit through 3-point sniping. laban lang nang laban. next is kuwait.

ps: i learned that even despite the loss, team pilipinas has already made it to the quarterfinal round ;D

nash_bedista
08-11-2009, 12:37 PM
^^ Sir kid,

How many wins do we need to advance in next round?

tontonpacute
08-11-2009, 12:40 PM
Kung hindi lang sana tayo tinambakan ng husto from the get go we could have had a chance to score an upset. I think when we play teams like Iran abandon the 2 point shot na kasi wala din naman pagasa sa ilalim eh lalo na if we're not getting the calls from the refs. Nakahabol ang tayo when we threw the gameplan out the window and became a 3 point shooting team a'la Korea/Japan. Sa tres lang talaga tayo may pagasa manalo.

Kid Cubao
08-11-2009, 12:49 PM
^^ Sir kid,

How many wins do we need to advance in next round?

just to be sure, we need to win against kuwait so we can enter the quarters on a winning note. pagdating sa quarterfinals, sudden death ang format. losers go home. we have to win just one game in the quarter draw to advance to the semis. pagdating sa semis, sudden death na naman. the winners advance to the title round, while the losers battle for 3rd. the top three will PLAY IN THE 2010 FIBA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS in hedo turkoglu's crib.

D_I_A
08-11-2009, 12:50 PM
Kung hindi lang sana tayo tinambakan ng husto from the get go we could have had a chance to score an upset. I think when we play teams like Iran abandon the 2 point shot na kasi wala din naman pagasa sa ilalim eh lalo na if we're not getting the calls from the refs. Nakahabol ang tayo when we threw the gameplan out the window and became a 3 point shooting team a'la Korea/Japan. Sa tres lang talaga tayo may pagasa manalo.


i agree European style of basketball is better than the American style. The Iranians have showed it, the Jordanese and the Lebanese are following suit. We really should adopt this system in our plays

fujitsu
08-11-2009, 12:52 PM
olats. pero goodluck sa team pilipinas. sana makabawi next game.

D_I_A
08-11-2009, 12:53 PM
^^ Sir kid,

How many wins do we need to advance in next round?

just to be sure, we need to win against kuwait so we can enter the quarters on a winning note. pagdating sa quarterfinals, sudden death ang format. losers go home. we have to win just one game in the quarter draw to advance to the semis. pagdating sa semis, sudden death na naman. the winners advance to the title round, while the losers battle for 3rd. the top three will PLAY IN THE 2010 FIBA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS in hedo turkoglu's crib.


sana umabot.. dahil kung hindi lagot na.

The_Big_Cat
08-11-2009, 01:08 PM
Powerade Team Pilipinas made 16 3-pt shots today vs Iran. Our perimeter shooting was excellent. But clearly what we're lacking is a big man presence inisde the paint. A big man who could defend the paint well. Dito na sana papasok ang isang naturalized player.

Going back to the game, we have no answer for Haddadi. I felt Dillinger played Bahrami well defensively. The biggest disappointments are still Kerby Raymundo and Arwind Santos. Santos' play, clearly does not fit well in the international level. Him playing at the SF was a struggle. Hindi makasunod si Santos sa mga screens kaya natatawagan siya ng foul madalas. Isa pa sa weakness ni Santos is his ball handlling. That maybe the reason why Yeng plays Dillinger and Norwood more at the SF spot because they bring to the table an extra ball handler.

Japeth Aguilar's body frame can't cope up with the banging inside the paint. He needs to add more muscle.

Helterbrand, Miller, Yap and Baguio have been our best perimeter guys. Norwood and Dillinger are our best perimeter defenders. Taulava, Pennisi and Thoss have remained to be our consistent big men.

Btw, we outrebounded Iran today.

Good luck tomorrow against Kuwait.
Go Team Pilipinas!

Leon_Guerero
08-11-2009, 01:38 PM
Saw the game today against the Iranians.

We converted 16 threepoint shots, but we still lost the game.

Kitang-kita na hindi naten kaya manalo kahit bente mahigit pang tres ang gawin naten kung hindi naman naten kayang dumepensa sa kabila.
Hindi tayo pwede umasa sa tres, kahit sabihin naten ito lang ang paraan para makapalag tayo sa ibang teams.

Kelangan na talaga naten mag naturalize ng player.
Kelangan naten ng 7 footer para dumepensa, at isang wing man na 6'7" pataas para umiskor.

We got the skills and talent, but we don't have the body to compete internationally.

salsa caballero
08-11-2009, 02:37 PM
^ Naisip ko rin lang na kaya siguro nakadikit ang Taiwan sa Iran ay dahil, bukod sa kanilang tira sa labas, meron silang Tsen Wen-Ting. Iba rin yung 7-footer na yun. Basic lang ang laro pero consistent. Sana si Slaughter gumaliing na parang ganun. Libre naman mangarap.

Get_Blazed
08-11-2009, 03:33 PM
At this rate, as 3rd seeded team in Group E, we are almost sure to be facing 2nd seed Jordan (or also possibly Lebanon if the tides change) from Group F in the Quarters. Can we seriously beat this taller Jordanian team?

Mabuhay Pilipinas! ;)

clutchjedi
08-11-2009, 06:14 PM
from Interbasket forums:
Japan beat Kuwait 78-51 - confirmed on FIBA.com
Korea beat Taiwan 72-70 - not yet on FIBA.com

Thus:
- Kuwait (0-4) cannot catch us (2-2)
- Japan OR Taiwan (they play tomorrow) can tie us at 2-3 if we lose to Kuwait...
- BUT we beat them both

Since we can't catch Korea or Iran, IF the above results are confirmed, it seems we're locked into 3rd place in Group E. :)
*I'm assuming FIBA will use head-to-head results to break a two-way tie.

pio_valenz
08-11-2009, 06:20 PM
^Confirmed na yang result ng Korea-Taiwan. See here (http://www.china2009.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/09/fascm/p/index.html).

So even if we lose to Kuwait tomorrow, we will still clinch third place in Group E because we beat both Japan and Taiwan, and I'm assuming it will be the winner-over-the-other rule enforced here. This is good because we won't meet China in the crossover quarters. I think kaya naman natin ang Jordan.

marmand
08-11-2009, 06:25 PM
At this rate, as 3rd seeded team in Group E, we are almost sure to be facing 2nd seed Jordan (or also possibly Lebanon if the tides change) from Group F in the Quarters. Can we seriously beat this taller Jordanian team?

Mabuhay Pilipinas! ;)


They can beat Jordan as long as they continue to improve on their 3pt shooting and try to lessen the turn overs. Against Iran, the team competed but some mental mistakes destroyed the momentum they were building in trying to catch up. The team should not fall into stretches were they hit a dry spell. This would always lead the opponent to increase their lead.

chinito_guy
08-11-2009, 06:43 PM
The Korea 72 - Taiwan 70 game was a classic showdown, I can't help but admire the discipline of the Koreans in setting up picks to free up their shooters, even spacings for a drive and kick out and exploring mismatches at the paint with their big men. If we are to study Korea's plays, they are so very basic and yet they are executed with razor sharp precision. Even a play designed coming from a huddle e.g. last play inbound, was intelligently executed. Taiwan nearly post an upset because of a better offensive game than with against the RP team. Rajko Toroman was correct in stating that he expects Korea in the top 5 this tourney. But I believe they can finish 2nd to 3rd. ;)

zytrexx
08-11-2009, 10:42 PM
lagi kasi tayong nagkakalat....laging nagfa-foul....bad shooting selection

sayang lang pinagpaguran ng iba kung matatalo lang tayo dahil sa mga ganyang rason

zytrexx
08-11-2009, 10:51 PM
The Philippines is already locked in third place and may meet the loser of the China-Jordan game. Even if we lose to Kuwait tomorrow, the Philippines has defeated both Chinese-Taipei and Japan if a tie occurs.

Get_Blazed
08-12-2009, 10:16 AM
They can beat Jordan as long as they continue to improve on their 3pt shooting and try to lessen the turn overs. Against Iran, the team competed but some mental mistakes destroyed the momentum they were building in trying to catch up. The team should not fall into stretches were they hit a dry spell. This would always lead the opponent to increase their lead.


Please, just hope what happened during the game against Korea would forever be a bad memory. A dry shooting spell is what would doom us again.



lagi kasi tayong nagkakalat....laging nagfa-foul....bad shooting selection

sayang lang pinagpaguran ng iba kung matatalo lang tayo dahil sa mga ganyang rason


Hindi lang tayo sanay sa calls sa FIBA rules. Nasanay kasi sila sa PBA rules.

Get_Blazed
08-12-2009, 10:33 AM
RP 85 - 71 Kuwait. ;)

Next scenario:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since China's win over last placed UAE would NOT count, they will be at 3-0 against Jordan's 4-0. That would seed them (China) at 2nd, unless they would win against Jordan and force a tie-breaking scenario.

At this rate, we are more likely to face China in the quarters.

clutchjedi
08-12-2009, 10:47 AM
^ China's second round win over UAE will count - it's the game over the FIRST round doormat (China vs India, Jordan vs Indonesia) that doesn't get counted in the second round.

So both China and Jordan have won 5 games for a 4-0 current record, and China is favored to win today. :)

Now we hope Jordan won't somehow upset China, because if they do, our task will to be to beat not just a China team, but a China team, that's coming from a loss, in front of their hometown crowd.

But because they're home, I don't think China will lose focus, they'll go all-out to try to sweep their way through the tournament.

chinito_guy
08-12-2009, 10:49 AM
Sad to say but we have to cheer for China later against Jordan, just for today only! :D :D :D

abcdef
08-12-2009, 12:58 PM
There are reports regarding Jordan's disqualification in this tournament for fielding someone who played for the German U-18.

Any verifications? yaw ko maniwala sa PEX eh.hehehe!

bchoter
08-12-2009, 01:07 PM
Napakadaling sabihin na i-adopt natin ang Euro ball dahil sa success ng mga tulad ng Iran, Lebanon, etc. But it worked for them because they have the materials to work with. Matatangkad sila so yung conventional kind of shooting will work for them. Eh tayo we're a head or 2 shorter than our counterparts. Sana maidemonstrate ng buo ni coach Joe Lipa yung kanyang "unconventional" shooting at baka ito na nga ang kinakailangan sa ating mga vertically-challenged ballers.

clutchjedi
08-12-2009, 01:15 PM
China barely won against Lebanon yesterday, winning 71-68.

China led by only 11 (55-44) after 3 quarters and Lebanon outscored them 24-16 in the 4th.

Lebanon shot only 37% (China 51%) but had
- 16 more FGA, coming from
- more offensive rebounds (18-7)
- and less TOs (8-15).

Both teams had similar unspectacular numbers in 3FG (CHN 4/13, LIB 5/15) and FT (CHN 11/20, LIB 11/21).

Shows that even the top teams can have lackluster games, it's up to our team if we can be efficient, "help" them make mistakes, take advantage and make them pay.

With a small window of opportunity, we can't afford the bad possessions, lazy hand-offs/passes - even inbound passes! - we've had too many of so far.

Last FIBA-Asia, Jordan looked one of the favorites but played tightly and were upset in the final 8 by hometown Japan (with their naturalized American) and finished only 5th. This Friday, we look to do the same to them! :D

clutchjedi
08-12-2009, 01:30 PM
There are reports regarding Jordan's disqualification in this tournament for fielding someone who played for the German U-18.

Any verifications? yaw ko maniwala sa PEX eh.hehehe!


According to Quinito's column in the Philippine Star, Jordan's coach is saying that the player was not allowed to play in 2007 but FIBA "admitted" that that was a "mistake", but no further details/explanation.

If indeed some confirmation came from FIBA authorities (whether legitimate or shady), I'd think it would be hard to penalize Jordan for this, unless they can prove some fraud or conspiracy. So I wouldn't hope too much at this stage, unless more details emerge :D

Get_Blazed
08-12-2009, 01:34 PM
My bad. Oo nga pala. Whoever loses in the game would face the RP Powerade squad. Good luck! :D

clutchjedi
08-12-2009, 09:28 PM
http://china2009.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/09/fascm/news/p/eid/4046/nid/31602/sid/7038/game-report.html
http://china2009.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/09/fascm/p/gid/44/grid/F/rid/7123/game.html

China beats Jordan 89-83 - their second straight single-digit win.

So as expected, we face Jordan on Friday (don't know yet what time).

pio_valenz
08-12-2009, 10:07 PM
^2:00PM.

Vision
08-13-2009, 07:33 AM
The pre-quarterfinal comments on Jordan's team page (http://china2009.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/09/fascm/team/p/sid/7038/tid/310/profile.html) on the FIBA Asia website are pretty amusing. Looks like the Philippines will have its hands full in trying to contain Wright and the center who played for the German youth team, Almaaytah. First time I ever heard of someone playing for two national teams. ???

Good luck to Team Pilipinas! Sabi nga ng iba, the ball is around. :)

Get_Blazed
08-13-2009, 10:01 AM
The pre-quarterfinal comments on Jordan's team page (http://china2009.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/09/fascm/team/p/sid/7038/tid/310/profile.html) on the FIBA Asia website are pretty amusing. Looks like the Philippines will have its hands full in trying to contain Wright and the center who played for the German youth team, Almaaytah. First time I ever heard of someone playing for two national teams. ???

Good luck to Team Pilipinas! Sabi nga ng iba, the ball is around. :)


Diba si Atoy Co nagsabi nyan? :D

Good luck Pinas!

korn666333
08-14-2009, 10:49 AM
RP can still enter FIBA World tourney via backdoor
8/13/2009 | FIBA Asia, National Team Program, Smart Gilas

source: gmanews.tv

Powerade-Team Pilipinas still has a shot of qualifying in the 2010 World Basketball Championship in Turkey in the event it failed to finish within the top three in the 25th FIBA-Asia men's championship.

How? Go through the backdoor.

“The fourth and fifth placer here might still be invited daw in the wild card qualifier for the world championship," bared Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive director Noli Eala shortly after meeting with FIBA-Asia officials Wednesday.

“So it’s still very important for us to finish among the Top 5."

Eala said such arrangement is not yet certain, although he’s assuming that the fourth and fifth placers are the ones to be tapped in each zone since there would be a wildcard qualifier to be held just before the world meet.

The major development came just as Powerade-RP is bracing for its showdown with Jordan in the knockout quarterfinals set Friday.

A win against the favored Jordanians in the 2 p.m. game would shove the Nationals into the semifinals of the meet, whose top three finishers automatically earn berths in next year’s FIBA-World meet.

A loss meanwhile, meant they can still aim for as high as a fifth place finish.

“Hopefully, we can make the semifinals, which means that we’ll probably be invited in the qualifier even if we don’t make third. If we don’t make the semis, it’s still important that we make fifth place," said Eala, who flew back to Manila Thursday along with RP-Smart Gilas coach Rajko Toroman and SBP executive Bernie Atienza.

According to Eala, 10 countries will be invited in the wild card tournament, with two teams representing per zone and fighting for the remaining four slots.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x166/korn666333_01/roadturkeygif.jpg



“That’s four slots. So still, that’s a good opportunity whether we are in the levels of others or not," said the SBP official. “At this point, that’s still a good development."

He added FIBA and not FIBA-Asia is the one going to decide on the matter.

Asked whether a fifth place finish is possible here, Eala believes so.

“I really think we are among the top five teams here," said the former PBA commissioner, who already informed successor Sonny Barrios about the piece of good news.

gienecees
08-14-2009, 12:19 PM
China QQ channel Interview Video with James YAP :D :D :D

http://sports.qq.com/a/20090812/000432.htm

coreytaylor
08-14-2009, 12:34 PM
Beat Jordan! ;)

theunderdog
08-14-2009, 02:39 PM
may alam ba kayong nagbibigay ng live updates?

clutchjedi
08-14-2009, 02:45 PM
^You might want to try InterBasket -

http://forums.interbasket.net/f62/quarter-finals-philippines-vs-jordan-10690/p25.html

RP down by 12 halftime 33-45. :(

Mateen Cleaves
08-14-2009, 03:06 PM
Kung live scores lang, sa official site meron: http://www.china2009.fiba.com/ - 59-48 Jordan, 2:23 to go in the 3rd quarter.

theunderdog
08-14-2009, 03:07 PM
salamat mga sir!

zytrexx
08-14-2009, 03:35 PM
Nagkakatotoo nga ang trend....

Pag suot ng Philippines yung red jersey nila talo talaga sila....laban nila sa Korea, Iran at Jordan....puro talo!!!

pangarap nalang maging champion tayo...hindi rin maganda ang goal nila...hindi nila goal ang maging champion sa FIBA Asia kundi makapasok lang sa FIBA World na alam mo namang wala tayong chance doon....

clutchjedi
08-14-2009, 03:42 PM
JOR 81 PHI 70. They established a 12 point lead in the 2nd qtr, that pretty much made the difference. Could have been closer if we made more FTs and gave up less offensive rebounds...

We have 2 more games to determine 5th-8th place. Tomorrow vs Qatar unless they upset Iran, looks like either the 2PM or 7PM slot (the schedule shows the semis games at 4PM and 9PM).

The_Big_Cat
08-14-2009, 03:51 PM
Great game by Team Pilipinas.

Too many offensive rebounds and second chance points for Jordan today. Jordan's big men of Abbas and Idais were too much for our bigs. Idais was spectacular particularly in the 2nd were he buried 3 consecutive treys. Abbas and Idais were simply a machine in the paint for Jordan. Their naturalized player, Wright had around 20 points.

Dillinger had a great game but was not fielded back in the 4th. Pwede sanang ipares ni Yeng si Jared kay Gabe in the 4th. Gabe sizzled in the 4th with 8 points (2 treys, a jam and block). Helterbrand was off today, he could have given us a lift today but his shots were not falling. Sonny Thoss had numerous "tulala" moments, where he either couldn't grab those rebounds or leaving his guy for an open jumper.

The only lead we had was at 24-22 at the early goings of the 2nd quarter.

Gabe is 25, Jared is 24 and Japeth is only 22. These guys would be an excellent addition to Smart Gilas, who will now takeover in the next competitions for men's basketball.

CrossOver
08-14-2009, 03:57 PM
now we're aiming for 5th place me chance pa tayo sa WBC sa 2010

Sayang lumabas na laro ni Norwood kaso kinapos sa suporta ng teammates niya huhuhu saludo pa din ako sa PBA Backed RP team at least binigyan niyo ng kaba ang mga kalaban natin sa 2009 FIBA Asia tournament unti-unti n ulit bumabalik ang respeto ng kapit bahay natin.

gienecees
08-14-2009, 04:05 PM
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4014/jord.gif



sa 4th lang tayo nanalo :o

CrossOver
08-14-2009, 04:05 PM
Great game by Team Pilipinas.

Too many offensive rebounds and second chance points for Jordan today. Jordan's big men of Abbas and Idais were too much for our bigs. Idais was spectacular particularly in the 2nd were he buried 3 consecutive treys. Abbas and Idais were simply a machine in the paint for Jordan. Their naturalized player, Wright had around 20 points.

Dillinger had a great game but was not fielded back in the 4th. Pwede sanang ipares ni Yeng si Jared kay Gabe in the 4th. Gabe sizzled in the 4th with 8 points (2 treys, a jam and block). Helterbrand was off today, he could have given us a lift today but his shots were not falling. Sonny Thoss had numerous "tulala" moments, where he either couldn't grab those rebounds or leaving his guy for an open jumper.

The only lead we had was at 24-22 at the early goings of the 2nd quarter.

Gabe is 25, Jared is 24 and Japeth is only 22. These guys would be an excellent addition to Smart Gilas, who will now takeover in the next competitions for men's basketball.


Nakikita na ng PBA na kailangan talaga ng suporta nila pagdating sa International Competition kaya naman talaga ng Pinoy makipag sabayan sa kanila ang problema ay yung konti pang suporta at mahabang preparasyon or praktis. Sayang yung naging proposal ni Reyes noon 2007 matapos ang tournament ituloy ang praktis kaso natigil sana ituloy na ng PBA ulit ang proposal na ito.

Roseblade38
08-15-2009, 04:05 AM
Sayang po talaga if only PBA continued coach chot's program sayang

Palibhasa sad to say mapulitika din ang PBA at kulang ng vission.

Sad to say it deteriorated our standing in asia.

Sana na lang the next RP team would be 30% PBA sayang yung experience nila and 70% smart Gilas

I love supporting the RP team and kahit talo ok lang I hope that it would spark a change

in how Filipinos prepare for international Basketball players

CrossOver
08-15-2009, 08:45 AM
Maganda din if matuloy ito

PhilStar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=476900&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

kombinasyon ng SBP & PBA

Leon_Guerero
08-15-2009, 12:50 PM
Maganda din if matuloy ito

PhilStar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=476900&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

kombinasyon ng SBP & PBA


Maganda nga ito for the development of our Gilas players.
Pero hindi pwede to pag FIBA qualifying basketball tournaments ang lalaruan naten.

All PBA line up nga kinakatay na tayo, pano kung magsasama ka pa ng mga bagito?

Ang kelangan talaga ng Team Pilipinas ay mga Naturalized players.
Masyado tayong maliit sa sa international competition.
Kaya naten lumaro ng opensa, pero hindi naten kaya dumepensa ng mga 7 footer nga kabilang team.
Sino tatao sa loob kung walang shot blocker sa gitna?
Evident to sa laro naten sa Iran. Nakashoot nga tyao ng 16 4pointers pero sa dulo talo parin tayo kasi hindi rin naten madepensahan yung mga malalaking players ng kabilang team.

CrossOver
08-15-2009, 02:41 PM
Philippines 32 - Qatar 49 end of 1st Half aray!

korn666333
08-15-2009, 02:58 PM
walang kwenta team! system! coaching! wala! kakahiya kayo patalo kayo sa team na di nanalo sa tin. smart gilas nalang pinalaro sana nyan!

CrossOver
08-15-2009, 03:18 PM
under 5min malabo ng mahabol to mukang wala na sa focus & intensity ang RP player matapos matalo sa Jordan mukang gumuho na ang goal nila, inisip nila sana na may Wild Card pa para makapag laro sa WBC!

abcdef
08-15-2009, 03:19 PM
walang kwenta team! system! coaching! wala! kakahiya kayo patalo kayo sa team na di nanalo sa tin. smart gilas nalang pinalaro sana nyan!


easy bro. . . .smart gilas naman talaga ang totoong pag asa natin eh.Kung baga filler lang ang PBA.

korn666333
08-15-2009, 03:21 PM
kakahiya ang team mo guiao. taulava norwood and dillinger may dugong pinoy jan ah... lipat na kau norwood and dillinger sa smart gilas. non sense yang PBA! outdated games!

CrossOver
08-15-2009, 03:27 PM
Final Score Philippines 65 - Qatar 83 hayz

Go for the 7th place! huhuhu

digitalsuperman
08-15-2009, 03:27 PM
si dillinger may chance pang makasali sa gilas kasi under TnT siya pati na rin si castro at iba pang TnT players... sana naman pumayag pba na magpahiram nang players sa gilas kahit isang taon man lang..hehe..

Get_Blazed
08-15-2009, 04:48 PM
What happened to this thread?

Please, no bashing naman. Let us give the respect due to the team assembled and gave out their heart to play for flag and country. Even Coach Guiao.

Who's the mod ba of this thread? Paki-monitor naman.

D_I_A
08-15-2009, 11:10 PM
What happened to this thread?

Please, no bashing naman. Let us give the respect due to the team assembled and gave out their heart to play for flag and country. Even Coach Guiao.

Who's the mod ba of this thread? Paki-monitor naman.


we can't blame this, talagang di na nila napigilan. it's not the players problem, i agree na may fault din dito ang PBA at ang coaching staff.

kaso tapos na eh, move on and ihanda na talaga ang totoong pambato.

Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!

Reform the PBA!!!

clutchjedi
08-16-2009, 01:54 AM
We lost to Qatar, and will play for 7th place vs Korea which was beaten by Taiwan.

Taiwan will finish higher than us, and in their games against the top Asian teams (Iran, Korea), they were actually much closer and more competitive than we were.

This really should be a wake-up call, a challenge if not an embarrassment for us...

- Taiwan was never at our level, they were no match for our Philippine Centennial Team
- Physically (size) they're just like our team, they're not bigger or taller than ours as say the Iran/Jordan players are
- They're a country of 23 MILLION and they're foremost a BASEBALL, not basketball country
- And yet at this point their NT is more successful than RP who are supposedly Asia's biggest basketball lovers

It seems they've been doing something right, that we haven't been doing (at least for the Powerade team).

But on the bright side, I used to fear that Smart Gilas might just be outsized and outmuscled by Asian powerhouses... but now seeing how this "Pinoy-size" Taiwan team can compete with the powerhouses, I'm thinking this is somewhat how the Gilas team would be like, probably even better :)

insulares
08-16-2009, 02:55 AM
You could see this classification round debacle coming. Right after the quarterfinal loss, Barrios and Guiao started giving valedictory statements...effectively saying, "Sayonara! We had fun while improving greatly on our previous finish!". Take note that neither one of them said "we still have a job to do guys - tournament's not yet over."

It's the job of enlightened basketball leaders to instill the proper frame of mind for the players. Barrios and Guiao have been grossly derelict in their duty.

What makes my blood boil is the gall of these two clowns to trumpet their "improvement" over Chot Reyes' 9th place finish in 2007. Their "accomplishment" was brought about only because of a huge gift to them - the luck of the draw.

Chot's preliminary elimination, however bitter, did not dissuade his team from doing a more "professional" job by giving their all in the classification round. Let it be known that the 2007 team fought like tigers in the consolation pool. They had more pride and balls, repeating over China Team B and beating India and also Syria in OT (they swept all those "no-bearing" games if I'm not mistaken). That speaks volumes about their heart. Don't be fooled by the number - it was a "golden 9th" in my book.

It's high time Barrios and Guiao stop spinning their misadventures at the expense of Chot Reyes, Eala, Toroman, the Smart-Gilas team and the SBP.

IT'S ABOUT HOW YOU FINISH, STUPID!!!

onggok
08-16-2009, 03:31 AM
Ang tigas kasi ng ulo ng ating mga opisyal kung kailan nalalapit ang tournament doon sila nag assemble ng team. Two months preparations is not enough, you need years, and they need to joint tournament outside the Philippines at least 3 times a year.Continuity is very important and we need to develop our young, talented and tall kids like:
Van opstal (6'8 17 years old)
Ian Sangalang (6'7 17 years old)
Russell Escoto (6'7 just turn 16 years old)
Luna (6'6 15 years old)
2 San Beda Red Cubs (both 6'5 and 15 years old)
Ray parks
tyler Lamb
Ravena kid
Wright from Canada
Pepot Paredes (6'6 16 years old)
Torres of DLSU (6'7 18 years wide body)
We need to develop also a shooter (at least 3-4)

joelex
08-16-2009, 03:43 AM
Tama na kasi ang pagpapadala ng PBA sa FIBA games or kung saan man, luging lugi mga may ari, wala naman makukuha, di naman talaga kakayanin ang kalaban sabay babatikusin lang pag talo, dapat smart gilas na lang para kahit lampasuhin iyan ng singkwenta higit, hindi na tayo magulat palibhasa magaling kuno ang coach, banban naman mga player. Sa wakas smart gilas na lang simula ngayon...

D_I_A
08-16-2009, 01:49 PM
Ang tigas kasi ng ulo ng ating mga opisyal kung kailan nalalapit ang tournament doon sila nag assemble ng team. Two months preparations is not enough, you need years, and they need to joint tournament outside the Philippines at least 3 times a year.Continuity is very important and we need to develop our young, talented and tall kids like:
Van opstal (6'8 17 years old)
Ian Sangalang (6'7 17 years old)
Russell Escoto (6'7 just turn 16 years old)
Luna (6'6 15 years old)
2 San Beda Red Cubs (both 6'5 and 15 years old)
Ray parks
tyler Lamb
Ravena kid
Wright from Canada
Pepot Paredes (6'6 16 years old)
Torres of DLSU (6'7 18 years wide body)
We need to develop also a shooter (at least 3-4)



SBP really needs to hold this young players as a team for a longer period and not just allow the Pro League to get them.

Shame on the commercialism and individualistic schemes of the PBA!!!


Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!

Reform the PBA!!!

rowenlo
08-17-2009, 04:03 PM
our players played it hard but i guess they should play even harder in the fiba games. i watched, we watched them and the game broke the filipino hearts.

http://www.sbpilipinas.blogspot.com/ <--- for updates, latest news and more of phil basketball

tigerman
08-17-2009, 04:41 PM
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u63/tigerbj/statszfi.jpg

Ano nga uli Baguio haters? ;D



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

TruVerde
08-17-2009, 07:08 PM
Ang tigas kasi ng ulo ng ating mga opisyal kung kailan nalalapit ang tournament doon sila nag assemble ng team. Two months preparations is not enough, you need years, and they need to joint tournament outside the Philippines at least 3 times a year.Continuity is very important and we need to develop our young, talented and tall kids like:
Van opstal (6'8 17 years old)
Ian Sangalang (6'7 17 years old)
Russell Escoto (6'7 just turn 16 years old)
Luna (6'6 15 years old)
2 San Beda Red Cubs (both 6'5 and 15 years old)
Ray parks
tyler Lamb
Ravena kid
Wright from Canada
Pepot Paredes (6'6 16 years old)
Torres of DLSU (6'7 18 years wide body)
We need to develop also a shooter (at least 3-4)



SBP really needs to hold this young players as a team for a longer period and not just allow the Pro League to get them.

Shame on the commercialism and individualistic schemes of the PBA!!!


Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!

Reform the PBA!!!

The problem with SBP is that it's head MVP, manages and financed 2 collegiate teams. Now, having said that, how can you trust SBP? Take the case of the son of Bobby Parks. He is being groomed to play for SMART Gilas and at the same time to also play for admu!

In 1980, DLSU was managed , financed by Danding Cojuangco who at that time is, The Project Director For Amateur Basketball. In fact the criticism against DLSU at the time is that with fmr. Ambassador Cojuangco on the DLSU side, there seems to be a conflict of interest. Am wondering right now, why people are so quiet, not raisng a howl, now that MVP is at the helm of SBP and at the same time manages & finance admu & sbc.

oca
08-17-2009, 09:25 PM
The problem with SBP is that it's head MVP, manages and financed 2 collegiate teams. Now, having said that, how can you trust SBP? Take the case of the son of Bobby Parks. He is being groomed to play for SMART Gilas and at the same time to also play for admu!

In 1980, DLSU was managed , financed by Danding Cojuangco who at that time is, The Project Director For Amateur Basketball. In fact the criticism against DLSU at the time is that with fmr. Ambassador Cojuangco on the DLSU side, there seems to be a conflict of interest. Am wondering right now, why people are so quiet, not raisng a howl, now that MVP is at the helm of SBP and at the same time manages & finance admu & sbc.


Kung di ako nagkakamali, Danding was Project Director first, and thereafter became benefactor of DLSU basketball. MVP was benefactor of the ADMU and SBC first and later elected as SBP head.

Should he have given up supporting his gs/hs and college Alma Mater after being elected to office?

Well, there was no clamor to do so. Here I would assume, that in the discussions that made him agree to run, and he was a reluctant candidate, no conditions were set.

Should he have done so out of delicadeza?

I see no conflict of interest to begin with. Ateneo has no direct role in the SBP, if there is, it is through its mother league the UAAP and it carries only 1 vote within this organization. Same with San Beda through the NCAA.

On the case of the young Parks, where's the conflict of interest? It is public knowledge that Norman Black and Bobby Parks are good friends. Kanino pa ba ipagkakatiwala ang bata kung sakaling dito sa Pilipinas ito maglalaro? If Black was coaching DLSU, would it have influenced Bobby Parks? I doubt if naging magkaibigan yung dalawa dahil blue ang favorite nilang color.

Then, MVP was elected into that position, with a definite term and will have to submit himself into another vote if he wishes to extend his stay.On the part of Danding, hangga't nasa poder si Macoy, at di siya mananawa, he can keep that post.

Also, much of those negative discussions about Danding as Project Director was cultivated by the BAP under the helm of Lito "Para sa Bayan" Puyat. For obvious reasons, sinapawan ni Danding ang BAP.

oca
08-17-2009, 09:29 PM
On conflict of interest again...

The SBP has formed numerous National Teams since MVP was elected head. Has MVP been instrumental in delivering to Ateneo and San Beda players from these national teams?

gienecees
08-17-2009, 11:06 PM
well i dunno about conflicts of interest, but is this the same case as Coach Franz Pumaren being the coach of the Nokia RP Youth team comprised of then the promising young players like Sam Marata, Gab Banal, Jovet Mendoza, Joseph Tolentino...? ???

TruVerde
08-28-2009, 06:06 PM
am not particularly referring to bringing the players over to sbc and/or admu, although at the mpment it is not yet happening . BUT WHO KNOWS? what i would like to point out is the influence that sbp might exert on the local leagues. remember the eala phone call to chino during the ncaa finals between jru and, you guess it right sbc. and, even before the uaap started sbp which now has a pool of its own referees, exerted pressure on the uaap to use these sbp refs.

and, how many more instances, that are waiting to happen.

ABANGAN!!!!

oca
08-28-2009, 07:33 PM
^
The fact is the UAAP is not using SBP referees.

As to the NCAA finals last year, the fact was SBC was favored to win last season. Kung dehado sila at nanalo, then that phone call would have meant something.

But this season, top seed ang JRU. ABANGAN natin ang tawag ni Eala. Pero tanungin mo mga Bedista, ngayon pa lang they are wishing that Vanguardia be given a 10 year contract. They know this line-up can beat them, but coaching doesn't complement that.

Now, if we have to get out of Imperial Manila, CESAFI still hasn't fully recognized SBP.

Malinaw na walang "concrete influence" ang SBP on these 3 big collegiate leagues.

As for waiting for things to happen, well, don't bet on it. Eala talks too much, loves to talk too much and will love to talk too much. In short, walang magaganap kundi ang marinig mo si Eala.