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gameface_one
10-25-2008, 05:19 PM
National pool tryouts no popularity contest
By Abac Cordero
Saturday, October 25, 2008
Philstar.com

Serbian coach Rajko Toroman has assured that the tryouts to be conducted among the country’s finest amateur players are no popularity contest.

“Sometimes these players think they are popular because they can touch the roof of the basketball court. But that’s not the way it is,” said the Serbian coach.

“We need players who will understand the program,” said Toroman as he looked forward to the tryouts scheduled to start on Nov. 21.

Among the amateur players who have caught Toroman’s attention were UAAP stars Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Chris Tiu, Nonoy Baclao and Ryan Buenafe, La Salle’s Rico Maierhofer and JV Casio, San Beda’s Ogie Menor and Jake Pascual, Jose Rizal’s Mark Sena and John Wilson and San Sebastian’s Arvie Bringas.

There are a few other players from Cebu led by Greg Slaughter that Toroman wants to look at.

Toroman has been tapped by the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas as project director of the soon-to-be-formed national team made up of the brightest young stars.

Toroman was given three years to help form and train the team in the hope of giving the Philippines a slot in the 2012 London Olympics.

Again, the coach who guided Iran to the FIBA Asia Championship last year said the tryouts will not be a popularity contest.

“It’s one thing watching these players on the court. But it’s another thing working with them,” he said.

“Because once you start working with them, sometimes you change your opinion. You’ve got to know their character. You have to separate the players with character from those who don’t have character,” he said.

Manny V. Pangilinan, the SBP president, echoed Toroman’s sentiment.

“In these tryouts, walang Ateneo, walang La Salle, walang Jose Rizal,” he said.

D_I_A
11-04-2008, 02:44 AM
Manila Bulletin

Serb coach gets close look at RP team bets
11/04/2008

By WAYLON GALVEZ


Fil-American Greg Slaughter and five other candidates to the Philippine Team for three major tournaments, including the Olympic qualifier, to be formed by Serbian mentor Rajko Toroman started training yesterday at the Ateneo gym in Katipunan, Quezon City.

Slaughter, the 6-foot-11 star player of the University of Visayas, arrived in the morning yesterday upon the invitation of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP).

"He’s a work in progress," SBP Executive Director Noli Eala said yesterday.

"That’s the reason why we brought coach Rajko here, to improve the skills of our players like Slaughter," added Eala.

Aside from Slaughter, who hails from Cebu, two other Fil-Ams were present during the training, Tyrell Theophile from St. Gregory in Oklahoma City and Joey Deaz from Rockhurst University in Kansas.

The team that will be supervised by Toroman is different from the team being formed by Red Bull’s Yeng Guiao and the PBA.

Under Toroman, SBP hopes he could spearhead the country’s bid to the 2011 FIBA-Asia Championship and earn an Olympic slot in the 2012 London Games, the first since the 1972 Munich Games.

If basketball will be played in next year’s SEA Games, then they will be the ones who will represent the country. They will also be trained for the Asian Games slated in China.

The team of Guiao will play for the world qualifying tournament in China next year. If they will be fortunate enough to win the event, they will earn a slot to the World Championship in Turkey two years from now.

Eala said that the mother of Deaz, a 6-foot-7 forward, is a native of Cebu, while the 5-foot-11 Theophile’s grandfather is a war veteran from Iloilo.

Also present during the practice session were Far Eastern University Tamaraws’ Mac Baracael, former Ateneo Blue Eagle Claifford Arao and Zamboanga-based player Jonathan Pareno, a 5-foot-11 point guard.

Eala said that the tryout is set Nov. 13, 14 and 15 at the Philsports Arena (formerly ULTRA) in Pasig City.

Former Ateneo player Japeth Aguilar, a 6-foot-7 high-leaping wingman who currently plays for the Western Kentucky University, was also named to the 35-man pool from where Toroman will select for the RP Team.

The 53-year-old Toroman was signed by the SBP, under telecommunications mogul Manny V. Pangilinan, to a three-year contract as Project Director.

Last year, Toroman helped Iran win the FIBA-Asia Championship to earn an Olympic slot in the previous Beijing Games.

Also invited to the tryout are Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Nonoy Baclao, Ryan Buenafe and Chris Tiu of UAAP champion Ateneo; De La Salle’s JV Casio, Rico Maierhofer, Peejay Barua and James Mangahas; Ogie Menor, Jake Pascual, Borgie Hermida and Pong Escobal of three-time NCAA titlist San Beda College.

Al-Hussaini won the UAAP season Most Valuable Player (MVP) award, while Baclao took the Finals MVP plum. The 5-foot-11 Escobal is now playing in the PBA (Talk ’N

D_I_A
11-07-2008, 12:30 AM
Manila Bulletin
11/6/2008
Waylon Galvez

Obviously out of shape, Fil-American Gregory Slaughter could hardly keep up with the drills ordered by Serbian coach Rajko Toroman yesterday at the Philsports Arena in Pasig.

Huffing and puffing, the six-foot-11 giant admitted that he just got back from vacation.

"When I arrived here (in Manila), I’m not really in shape. But when I get back here for the tryouts, it’s going to be different," said Slaughter in a phone interview.

Because of his size, Slaughter is one of the players tipped to survive the three-day tryouts that begin on Nov. 13 at the Philsports Arena.

Slaughter was invited to attend an informal workout with Toroman who had the chance to see first hand what the Cebu-based player could do.

The 22-year-old University of Visayas center, whose mother hails from Cebu, went through several drills that included post up moves under the basket, dribbling and spinning and strong finish to the hoop.

Although conceding that he still has a lot to learn to become a dominant center, Slaughter said he hopes that he impressed the Serbian coach.

Toroman could not be reached for comment.

Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) executive-director Noli Eala is concerned that Toroman might say things that may not sit well with Slaughter and his coach Boy Cabahug, a former PBA player.

Talking with Cabahug, Eala’s concern appeared to be misplaced.

Cabahug said Slaughter has improved, but conceded that he still needs to work hard.

"Malaki ang improvement ni Greg compared last year," Cabahug said. "Pero iba din ‘yung training n’ya under coach Toroman, medyo kulang pa siya (Slaughter) sa quickness and reaction. I came over to observe so that when we go back to Cebu, pwede namin ma-implement ‘yun."

Slaughter has two more training sessions with Toroman, today and tomorrow at the Moro Lorenzo Gym inside the Ateneo campus in Katipunan, Quezon City.

He leaves tomorrow afternoon for Cebu and come back here for the tryout, where the best college players were invited including UAAP MVP Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Finals MVP Noy Baclao of champion Ateneo, Ogie Menor and Pong Escobal of three-time NCAA champion San Beda College.

Aside from Slaughter, also present during the first training session were Fil-Ams Tyrell Theophile from St. Gregory in Oklahoma City and Joey Deaz from Rockhurst University in Kansas, former Atenean Ford Arao, Zamboanga-based player Jonathan Pareno, Far Eastern University’s Mac Baracael and UP’s Martin Reyes.

Eala said that it’s going to be a challenge for Toroman to transform Slaughter into a dominant center.

"This could be an acid test for him (Toroman). One thing going for Greg is that he has the size, he’s 6-foot-11 and with a big body. Coach Rajko really wants to train him," he added.

The SBP will form a 35-man pool after the three-day tryouts.

From the pool, Toroman will pick the 15 players for various international tournaments including next year’s Southeast Asian Games in Laos, the 2010 Asian Games in China, and the 2011 FIBA-Asia Championship, which is the qualifying event for the 2012 London Olympics.

Toroman’s team is different from the one coach Yeng Guiao will form which is an all-pro squad that will compete in the 2009 FIBA-Asia Championship in China.

If Guiao’s national team finishes in the top three, it would earn a spot in the 2010 World Championship in Turkey.

The 53-year-od Toroman signed a three-year contract with SBP in which he would assume the post of project director tasked with forming and training an all-amateur national team.

Under Toroman, the federation hopes he could lead the country’s bid to earn an Olympic berth. The last time the Filipinos played in the Summer Games was during the 1972 Munich Olympics.

Last year, Toroman helped Iran win the FIBA-Asia Championship to earn an Olympic slot in the previous Beijing Games.

CrossOver
11-07-2008, 02:35 PM
Muakang iba magtrain itong si Toroman mapapasabak lalo mga mapipili niyang players.

AnthonyServinio
11-18-2008, 12:53 AM
* * *To give you an idea of how things are shaping up, here is the attendance record from Monday night's (November 17) try-out session held at the ULTRA wherein 21 players showed up:

Ababou Dylan (UST)
Acuna Val Hezy (UE)
Al-Hussaini Rabeh Ahmed (ADMU)
Barua Peejay (DLSU-M)
Buenafe Ryan Clarence (ADMU)
Casio Joseph Evans (DLSU-M)
Deas Joseph (Rockhurst)
Jazul Rafael Joey (Letran)
Lee Paul John (UE)
Maierhofer Paul Rico (DLSU-M)
Mangahas James (DLSU-M)
Martinez James Vincent (UE)
Mbe Emmanuel John (UST)
Mirza Khasim (UST)
Padilla Alvin (UP-Diliman)
Parreno Jonathan (Western Mindanao State)
Sena James Ryan (JRU)
Silungan Michael (UP-Diliman)
Sison Magi King (UP-Diliman)
Theophile Terrell (Saint Gregory)
Wilson John Marion (JRU)

* * *Please note that the SBP has labelled this as a "by invitation only" try-out. This is not the final training pool as the attendance changes from day to day.

Mateen Cleaves
11-18-2008, 06:21 PM
^Ibig sabihin ba nito, ina-naturalize na si Mbe? O, nagta-tryout pa siya sa pagiging Pinoy? ;)

bchoter
11-18-2008, 06:35 PM
Pati school mali. Hindi siya sa UST naka enroll this semester. Ball boy lang siya ngayon na minsan minsan pinapatira. Parang yung ibang golfers natin. Dating caddy.

m_14
11-18-2008, 09:29 PM
* * *To give you an idea of how things are shaping up, here is the attendance record from Monday night's (November 17) try-out session held at the ULTRA wherein 21 players showed up:

Ababou Dylan (UST)
Acuna Val Hezy (UE)
Al-Hussaini Rabeh Ahmed (ADMU)
Barua Peejay (DLSU-M)
Buenafe Ryan Clarence (ADMU)
Casio Joseph Evans (DLSU-M)
Deas Joseph (Rockhurst)
Jazul Rafael Joey (Letran)
Lee Paul John (UE)
Maierhofer Paul Rico (DLSU-M)
Mangahas James (DLSU-M)
Martinez James Vincent (UE)
Mbe Emmanuel John (UST)
Mirza Khasim (UST)
Padilla Alvin (UP-Diliman)
Parreno Jonathan (Western Mindanao State)
Sena James Ryan (JRU)
Silungan Michael (UP-Diliman)
Sison Magi King (UP-Diliman)
Theophile Terrell (Saint Gregory)
Wilson John Marion (JRU)

* * *Please note that the SBP has labelled this as a "by invitation only" try-out.* This is not the final training pool as the attendance changes from day to day.



sir anthony ilan po ba talaga ang invited sa try outs?? can you also give us their complete names and school??

CrossOver
11-19-2008, 02:49 PM
Pagkakaalam ko almost 40 players yun na invite kaso 7 lang sumipot because sa mga reason nagpapagaling sa injury, naghahanda sa PCCL, naglalaro sa PBL & ayaw papuntahin ng mother team nila. Mukang problema to kelangan umaksiyon ang SBP or reschedule yung tryout.

CrossOver
11-20-2008, 12:28 AM
DESPITE expected opposition from local coaches, the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas has laid the groundwork for the appointment of Serbian mentor Rajko Toroman as coach of the national team that will compete in the Southeast Asian Games next year in Laos.

Toroman, who has been designated as SBP project director, has called for a nationwide tryout intended to form the nucleus of the national squad, a move that observers said would eventually lead to him being named the coach of next year’s SEA Games team.

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas elections that installed Manny V. Pangilinan as president has been affirmed by the Court of Appeals, a very reliable source who requested anonymity told Malaya last night.

The court, according to the source, threw out the appeal of the breakaway Basketball Association of the Philippines headed by former congressman Prospero Pichay seeking to nullify the SBP elections.

A recent falling out between SBP Executive Director Noli Eala and PBL Commissioner Chino Trinidad also raised the possibility the country’s premier amateur league may not form a team for next year’s Games, further raising the possibility of Toroman being picked to call the shots for the national team.

Eala himself has fueled speculations, saying there’s a "great possibility" the 53-year-old Toroman, who had an outstanding stint with the Iranian men’s and juniors teams before joining the SBP, may be tapped for the job.

Members of the Basketball Coaches Association of the Philippines, led by its president, Chito Narvasa, and recently-appointed national team coach Yeng Guiao, had voiced opposition to the possibility of Toroman being named as national coach, although the group did not raise a whimper when the Serbian coach was appointed SBP project director.

Not all BCAP members, however, are opposed to Toroman’s appointment, with some of them, including pro league coaches, expressing their intention to learn "a thing or two" from the Serbian mentor.

Eala said that if ever Toroman would be named national team coach, it would be part of the SBP’s long-term program as approved by the board.

"It is with great possibility," Eala said. "As what I’ve mentioned before, we are trying to do away with the ‘pick up system.’ We overhauled the entire program and we’re now focused on winning international tournaments.

"In the past, the federation (SBP) was not yet doing anything," Eala said. "We now have a long-term program so we’re taking charge of forming the team."

In a press briefing last Monday when it was announced the SBP was bidding for the hosting of the Asia-FIBA qualifier for the London Olympics, SBP president Manny Pangilinan admitted he expects pressure from various quarters, especially the BCAP, if Toroman is appointed national team coach.

Last year, the PBL was tasked by the SBP to form the national team for the Thailand SEA Games. Responding to the task, the PBL tapped Harbour Centre to form a team that went on to whip the opposition by an average margin of 42 points en route to a title sweep.

Malaya (http://www.malaya.com.ph/nov20/spor3.html)

CrossOver
11-20-2008, 12:32 AM
By Joel Orellana

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HERE is a strong indication that Serbian Rajko Toroman will call the shots for the Philippine team in the Southeast Asian (SEA) Games next year in Laos.

And despite an imminent legal battle with the local coaches’ group, the Basketball Coaches Association of the Philippines (BCAP), the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is reportedly considering Toroman for the position.

In a press briefing on Monday at the PLDT office of SBP president Manny Pangilinan, the federation’s executive director, Noli Eala, said the appointment of the 53-year-old Toroman is a “great possibility” because the SEA Games is SBP’s initial step toward an Olympics stint in London in 2012.

Toroman was appointed project director of the Philippine team and the initial plan is to give the Serbian more involvement, especially that the SEA Games is part of a long-term program that was approved by the SBP board.

“There’s no formal announcement yet, but it is [with] great possibility,” said Eala. “As what I’ve mentioned before, we are trying to do away with the ‘pickup system.’ We overhauled the entire program and we’re now focused on winning in international tournaments.”

Toroman’s imminent appointment as head coach to the Laos SEA Games is expected to be greeted by strong resistance from the BCAP, headed by lawyer Chito Narvasa who has warned SBP of legal actions should the body formally name the Serbian as head coach.

Narvasa and Yeng Guiao, appointed head coach of the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) national team, claimed to be standing on legal ground as based on their previous legal victory over American John Moran, who once called the shots for the Shell Turbochargers in the PBA in 2004.

Meanwhile, Laos SEA Games organizing committee officials are asking Philippine basketball officials to prepare a memorandum of agreement to formalize the inclusion of basketball in the 2009 SEA Games program.

Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) sport and rules committee head Go Teng Kok said he has already coordinated with Eala about the MOA.

Basketball was added in the calendar “in principle” during the SEA Games Federation Council meeting last week.

Business Mirror (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2201:road-leads-to-serb-as-head-coach&catid=31:sports&Itemid=65)

D_I_A
11-20-2008, 01:50 AM
By Joel Orellana

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HERE is a strong indication that Serbian Rajko Toroman will call the shots for the Philippine team in the Southeast Asian (SEA) Games next year in Laos.

And despite an imminent legal battle with the local coaches’ group, the Basketball Coaches Association of the Philippines (BCAP), the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is reportedly considering Toroman for the position.

In a press briefing on Monday at the PLDT office of SBP president Manny Pangilinan, the federation’s executive director, Noli Eala, said the appointment of the 53-year-old Toroman is a “great possibility” because the SEA Games is SBP’s initial step toward an Olympics stint in London in 2012.

Toroman was appointed project director of the Philippine team and the initial plan is to give the Serbian more involvement, especially that the SEA Games is part of a long-term program that was approved by the SBP board.

“There’s no formal announcement yet, but it is [with] great possibility,” said Eala. “As what I’ve mentioned before, we are trying to do away with the ‘pickup system.’ We overhauled the entire program and we’re now focused on winning in international tournaments.”

Toroman’s imminent appointment as head coach to the Laos SEA Games is expected to be greeted by strong resistance from the BCAP, headed by lawyer Chito Narvasa who has warned SBP of legal actions should the body formally name the Serbian as head coach.

Narvasa and Yeng Guiao, appointed head coach of the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) national team, claimed to be standing on legal ground as based on their previous legal victory over American John Moran, who once called the shots for the Shell Turbochargers in the PBA in 2004.

Meanwhile, Laos SEA Games organizing committee officials are asking Philippine basketball officials to prepare a memorandum of agreement to formalize the inclusion of basketball in the 2009 SEA Games program.

Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) sport and rules committee head Go Teng Kok said he has already coordinated with Eala about the MOA.

Basketball was added in the calendar “in principle” during the SEA Games Federation Council meeting last week.

Business Mirror (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2201:road-leads-to-serb-as-head-coach&catid=31:sports&Itemid=65)



if BCAP gets in the way, surely there will be more public outcry against the BCAP..

BCAP Shut Up!!!

CrossOver
11-20-2008, 02:14 PM
walang makukuhang suporta sa taong bayan ang BCAP pagpumalag nanaman sila.

pio_valenz
11-20-2008, 04:14 PM
Pati school mali. Hindi siya sa UST naka enroll this semester. Ball boy lang siya ngayon na minsan minsan pinapatira. Parang yung ibang golfers natin. Dating caddy.

And he doesn't have Filipino blood, right? I wonder what he was doing in the tryouts then.

AnthonyServinio
11-29-2008, 11:04 AM
Any day now, the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) will name the following 25 (take out one or two) to the National Training Pool to be handled by Coach Rajko Toroman:

(in alphabetical order)

ABABOU Dylan (Santo Tomas)
AL-HUSSAINI Rabeh Ahmed (Ateneo de Manila)
ARELLANO Marcelino (East)
BACLAO Silverino (Ateneo de Manila)
BALLESTEROS Jayson (San Sebastian-Manila)
BARACAEL Marnel (Far Eastern)
BARROCA Andy Mark (Far Eastern)
BARUA Peejay (De La Salle-Manila)
BRINGAS Arvie (San Sebastian HS)
BUENAFE Ryan Clarence (Ateneo de Manila)
CASIO Joseph Evans (De La Salle-Manila)
CAWALING Ricardo (Far Eastern)
CRUZ Jervy (Santo Tomas)
DEAS Joseph (Rockhurst)
FAJARDO Junemer (Cebu)
JAZUL Rafael Joey (Letran)
LEE Paul John (East)
MAIERHOFER Paul Rico (De La Salle-Manila)
MENOR Rogemar (San Beda-Manila)
PAREDES Philip (Sacred Heart Montessori)
REYES Martin (UP-Diliman)
SISON Magi King (UP-Diliman)
SLAUGHTER Gregory (Visayas)
THEOPHILE Terrell (Saint Gregory)
TIU Christopher John (Ateneo de Manila)

Sam Miguel
11-29-2008, 12:08 PM
Jose "Peping" Cojuangco won a fresh four-year term of office as Philippine Olympic Committee President. He won the voting of all member NSA 21-19 versus Art Macapagal.

This is the picture now: whoever POC recognizes now as the official basketball NSA will be the basketball NSA recognized with finality by FIBA. Given Cojuangco's well-known loathing for all things BAP, that should just about do it for the Graham Lim group.

In reality I doubt if the FIBA really gives a horse's rear about Philippine basketball. We are ninth in Asia, and we could have easily been 14th to 15th had China only sent at least its B Team to the last FIBA-Asia qualifying tournament. We should not fool ourselves into thinking the FIBA regards us with more than token concern.

We are not China, currently the biggest basketball market in the world. We are not even Japan or Korea, the two largest Asian basketball markets outside of China. As Insulares explained, had there been another BAP-SBP-POC brouhaha we would've surely faced another suspension. FIBA would not have unilaterally declared for or against any particular group.

Now that there is some clarity as to the POC, perhaps if Pinoys truly want to be taken seriously in the basketball world, we can stop all of this useless and ridiculous politicking and buckle down to working on forming a long-term and truly competitive national basketball program.

First up on the agenda should be finding a serviceable young 7-footer, no older than 26 years of age, preferably one who can play at least two of the frontline positions, like Ginebra's most recent import Chris Alexander.

Second, more international exposure and time together for the national team, put together a pool of 20-22 players in the 21-25 year old range, who can stay together at least three or four years so that they can grow together as a team. Conscript the best PBA players, especially the taller and more talented Filipino-foreigners. Get them playing together in as many FIBA tournaments as possible.

Third, get rid of Rajko Toroman. There are five Serbs coaching in Asia. Toroman is the least experienced and the least decorated among them. Not to mention he still had a contract with Iran that was only in the first of its four years. We essentially pirated Toroman, the least experienced and decorated of five Serbs coaching in Asia, away from Iran. You can just guess how popular and smart we are now to the rest of FIBA Asia. He left Iran just because he got a better offer from SBP. Don't let the Olympic stint fool you: it was a case of Joel Banal and the 2002 Blue Eagles writ large.

Fourth, standardize all officiating in all leagues and tournaments to strict FIBA standards, even in the PBA. If the Spanish league, the largest, most competitive and most lucrative professional basketball league outside the NBA can succeed so well using strict FIBA rules, so can we. No more BRASCU, NABRO and all of those other referee organizations. Everything and everyone must use strict FIBA rules.

insulares
11-29-2008, 05:14 PM
Hi Sam...just to set the record straight, Toroman's contract with Iran expired after the Beijing Olympics.* Ergo, the SBP did not pirate him and his former boss at the Iran federation also gave him an excellent reference and wished him well.* In short, everything was done above board as the title of the FIBA article below suggests.

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PHI – Toroman leaves Iran on good terms, pens Philippines deal

MANILA (Olympics/FIBA Championship) – Rajko Toroman guided Iran to their first berth at the Olympics.

Now the Serbian will attempt to do the same with the Philippines after being handed a three-year deal to serve as their national team project director.

The coach leaves former side Iran with the blessings of the country’s basketball federation.

“He is a good friend, good colleague and a good coach and he did a great job in our country,” said Mr. Mahmoud Mashhoun, the president of Iran’s federation, to FIBA.com.

“As his contract expired after the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games, it was his right to sign a contract with others and I wish him all the best on his new assignment.”

Toroman’s tenure with Iran had a lot of highs and lows both on and off the court.

He coached Iran to a surprise gold medal at the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship to earn a spot at the Beijing Games but not long after, Aidin Bahrami, one of the team’s best players and the brother of captain Samad, died in a car crash.

Toroman and Iran spoke of their determination to honor Aidin’s memory by showing hard work and determination on the court and they met that aim.

A busy summer saw them compete in warm-up tournaments in Italy and Slovenia, and also with the help of FIBA take an historic trip to the United States to practice and take part in the Rocky Mountain Review, a summer league for NBA teams.

In Nanjing, they took part in the FIBA Diamond Ball and upset Serbia before travelling to Beijing for the Olympics.

The executive director of the governing body for basketball in the Philippines (Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas) Noli Eala said to the country’s newspaper website the Inquirer.net that Toroman’s job will be to put together a program.

"We will study his program and decide what to do after that," Eala said.

Concerns have been expressed in the country’s media over the concern that Toroman, a foreigner, might coach the Philippines.

Eala said: "We are not discounting the possibility of Toroman coaching but all that will come after we see his program. Why don't we give change a chance?”

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/newsid/28635/arti.html

pachador
11-30-2008, 01:31 AM
just out of curiosity, what are the records of the other serb coaches in Asia? i didnt know there were other serb coaches in asia.

CrossOver
12-04-2008, 06:51 AM
By Joey Villar

Bobby Parks, a seven-time PBA Best Import awardee, is bringing his Fil-Am son Ray to try out for the national developmental pool gearing up for the 2012 London Olympics.

Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas executive director Noli Eala yesterday told The STAR the Parks will be coming in from Memphis on Dec. 27 with the son trying his luck with the national squad.

Parks, 15, is currently a US NCAA Division I prospect, having averaged an impressive 25 points, seven rebounds and five assists for the Ridgeway Middle School varsity back home in Memphis.

Parks, whose mother Marifer Celine (Shane) Barbosa is a Filipina now living in Los Angeles, was also the youngest player invited to play in the three-day, 17-and-under Las Vegas Easter Classic last year and stood out in the tournament with his impressive performance.

Parks earlier stated he wants to play for Memphis State, where his father also played, but if things work out might end up wearing the Ateneo Eagles uniform under coach Norman Black.

“It would be nice to play in the Philippines,” Ray told The STAR last year. “I definitely want to go to college either in the US or the Philippines. I don’t know what to do yet. It would be an honor to someday play for the Philippine team. My dad would love to see me play for the national team.”

Eala said Parks should be a big addition to the 25-player development pool the SBP earlier formed under team project director Serbian Rajko Toroman in the country’s bid to earn a berth in the 2012 London Olympics.

PhilStar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=421006&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

insulares
12-06-2008, 10:55 AM
No conflict for RP cage pool aspirants

By Cedelf P. Tupas
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 05:44:00 12/04/2008

MANILA, Philippines—There won’t be any conflict in schedule with the schools and teams of the players selected in the 25-man developmental pool, where the national basketball team in the next three years will come from.

Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas executive director Noli Eala made this assurance Wednesday, saying that the schedule of practices and tournaments will be coordinated with the schools.

“The tournaments that the RP Teams will participate in are known way ahead of time so we always have time to coordinate with the schools,” Eala said, adding that the SBP will also ask the Philippine Basketball League, where most of the teams are currently playing, to adjust its calendar.

Eala said the players can still focus on playing for their schools during the UAAP and NCAA season next year.

“We won’t accept any tournament during that time,” said Eala.

Among the players who are part of the pool are Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Nonoy Baclao and Ryan Buenafe of UAAP champion Ateneo de Manila University, Ogie Menor of NCAA titlist San Beda College, De La Salle University’s Rico Maierhofer and University of Santo Tomas’ Dylan Ababou.

The SBP met with 16 members of the pool Monday and have scheduled its first practice under SBP project director Rajko Toroman on Friday.

“We are trying to create a culture of putting pride and respect to representing the country, which entails a lot of commitment and sacrifice,” said Eala. “We are promoting a different route by (asking them) to forego turning professional and serving their country first.”

The 25-man pool will be trimmed to 18 in the first quarter of next year, Eala said.

An extensive program that includes training in Serbia and the United States next year has been lined up for the team.

They will play in the FIBA-Asia Champion’s Cup in May and the Stankovich Cup in October.

Eala said the SBP may tap an import for the Champions Cup. That import, he said, may be a candidate for Filipino naturalization.

http://sports.inquirer.net/inquirersports/inquirersports/view/20081204-175982/No-conflict-for-RP-cage-pool-aspirants

CrossOver
12-06-2008, 04:53 PM
sino kayang makukuhang import* ???

gameface_one
12-15-2008, 07:50 AM
SBP-Smart RP 5 off for China Invt’l


By June Navarro
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 01:13:00 12/15/2008


MANILA, Philippines—The Samahang Basketbolng Pilipinas-Smart national team left for China’s Guangxi province yesterday to compete in the 1st China-Asean CBO Men’s Basketball Invitational tournament.

SBP executive director Noli Eala said the Dec. 17 to 21 tournament is the maiden test for the 11-man squad which is being prepared for a possible stint in the 2012 London Olympics.

Eala said the team will try to gain enough exposure for the 2011 Fiba Asia Men’s Championship, the qualifier for London.

The players handpicked by national team project director Rajko Toroman will also play in the Southeast Asian Games next year and the 2010 Asian Games.

Part of the 25-man pool formed by Toroman, the team is composed of FEU’s Mac Baracael, Mark Baroca and JR Cawaling, UE’s Marcy Arellano, UP’s Martin Reyes and Magi Sison, San Beda’s Ogie Menor and UST’s Dylan Ababou, 6-foot-11 slotman Greg Slaughter, Oklahoma City’s Terrel Theophile and Joey Deas of Rockhurst University in Kansas.

D_I_A
12-17-2008, 01:00 AM
Aspirants commit to stay amateur
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson Updated December 17, 2008 12:00 AM

SBP executive director Noli Eala said yesterday most, if not all of the players in the 25-man pool announced by Serbian coach Rajko Toroman for the national team will serve the country for three to four years before turning pro in a patriotic commitment that augurs well for the future of the sport.

Eala said at least 18 of the 25 chosen players were briefed on the benefits of staying amateur with the national team and the SBP’s expectations during six evening practices at the Arena in San Juan the last two weeks.

“We told the boys if they don’t believe in our vision, we won’t take it against them and they’re free to go,” said Eala. “But they all stayed. Rico Maierhofer, for instance, informed us by postponing his entry into the PBA, it facilitated his decision to play his fifth and last year for La Salle next season.”

Eala said the Northern Cement model of Ambassador Eduardo Cojuangco Jr. was the inspiration for the SBP’s vision. Cojuangco assembled a core of young players who went full circle in winning the Asian Youth title in 1982 and the Asian Basketball Confederation (now FIBA-Asia) crown in 1985. Among the stars in the system were Hector Calma, Allan Caidic and Samboy Lim. After playing for the national squad, they became successful pros.

“We want to instill in the players the concept of serving the country first before creating a career,” said Eala. “We are prepared to support the players throughout their stay with the national team.”

A budget of P140 Million for the next four years is reportedly under study by the SBP for the campaign to culminate in qualifying for the 2012 London Olympics.

* * *

Eala said CESAFI and the PBL are showing the way in backing up the SBP’s long-term program.

University of Visayas center Greg Slaughter, a member of the 25-man pool, was supposed to play for the CESAFI selection in Hong Kong but was excused by Rep. Eduardo Gullas so he could suit up for the national team. SBP chairman and Misamis Oriental Gov. Oscar Moreno lauded Gullas and CESAFI for their support of the national team.

PBL chairman Mikee Romero also pledged his full support for the national squad.

“We hope the support of CESAFI and the PBL could be a catalyst for all other leagues to get together behind our national team,” said Eala.

Toroman’s developmental national team left last Sunday to play in the Asean-CBO Invitationals in Pingguo, Guanxi, China, on Dec. 17-21. Eight teams will compete in the tournament – an all-star team from host Pingguo, the Philippines and the national squads of Malaysia, Macau, Myanmar, Singapore, Brunei and Vietnam.

“It will be coach Toroman’s first international tournament with our team,” said Eala. “This will give us a chance to evaluate our players as most of them have never played or even gone abroad. It will allow us to bond and learn coach Toroman’s system by experience.”

Toroman will be assisted in China by Jude Roque and physical therapist Albert Rolle in place of Dan Rose who is in the US for two weeks. Those who helped out in the practices were coaches Chot Reyes, Norman Black, Jorge Gallent, Glenn Capacio, Allan Gregorio and Eric Altamirano.

* * *

Eala said PBL teams Harbour Centre, Burger King and Magnolia lent players for the China trip. They were J. R. Cawaling and Mark Barroca of Harbour, Ogie Menor, Mac Baracael and Marcy Arellano of Burger and Dylan Ababou of Magnolia. Also picked were UP’s Martin Reyes and Magi Sison, Slaughter and Fil-Am recruits Terrell Theophile and Joey Deas.

Eala, who leaves for China today to join the team, said he will try to bring along the NCAA’s slam dunk king Rey Guevara of Letran to complete the lineup.

“Jayvee Casio was in our final roster but Toyota Otis begged off at the last minute,” said Eala. “We excused Rabeh Al Hussaini who’ll be with his Ateneo teammates in Hong Kong on Dec. 19-21. Bacchus’ Paul Lee is finishing up at UE. Philip Paredes is catching up with his studies at Riddleys. Jervy Cruz, Arvie Bringas and Chris Tiu have other commitments.”

Eala said the China tournament is a good starting point for Toroman’s exposure program. “We got whoever was available under the circumstances,” he went on. “We didn’t want to overburden PBL teams that were willing to lend players so we were quite selective.”

Tiu, a popular TV host, will join the team in January after finishing his personal commitments this year.

m_14
12-17-2008, 01:51 PM
any news on the china games??

gameface_one
12-17-2008, 01:55 PM
^^^ Just posted on a separate thread. Thanks.

D_I_A
12-23-2008, 02:37 AM
Toroman nakapuntos na
Jimmy Cantor
Abante Online
12/23/2008


Magandang balita ang galing sa China.


Tinalo ng Philippine team ang Li Ning Basketball Team ng Guangxi sa iskor na 76-72 noong Linggo at nakopo ang titulo sa first China-Asean CBO men’s invitational tournament.


Ayon kay Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas executive director Noli Eala, mayroon umanong limang Chinese Basketball Association stars sa nasabing Li Ning team.


Ang nasabing torneo ang unang malaking pagsubok sa koponan na binuo ni Serbian coach Rajko Toroman na kamakailan ay pumirma ng tatlong taong kontrata sa SBP bilang project director. Matatandaan na itong si Toroman ay galing sa Iran at siyang nag-coach sa Iranian national team nang tanghaling kampeon ang Iran sa FIBA-Asia tournament noong nakaraang taon sa Tokuhisma, Japan. Siya rin ang coach nang tanghaling Asian junior champion ang Iran.


Kaya malamang na sa punto ng SBP, nakaka-one point na si Toroman.

Ano kaya ang sasabihin ng mga Pinoy coaches natin, lalung-lalo na ang mga miyembro ng Basketball Coaches Association of the Philippines na hindi payag maging national coach si Toroman? Sabi ko nga, 1-0 na ang iskor.


Tiyak na may mga magsasabi na hindi naman national team ng China ang tinalo ng RP team kaya hindi ganoon kalalim ang nasabing panalo.

Mayroon namang magsasabi na maski na ganoon, importante ang nasabing panalo dahil pinatunayan ng RP team na puwede pala itong manalo sa international arena.


Bilib ako sa nasabing panalo dahil hindi man Chinese national team ang tinalo ng RP team, tiyak naman na salang-sala ang Li Ning team.

Matatandaan na dati nang nagpupunta dito ang koponan ng Li Ning at nakakalaban ang mga lokal na koponan, pati na ang mga PBA teams.


Pero siyempre, iba ang feeling kapag Chinese national team ang matatalo ng RP team sa international na laban, lalo na kung kasama sa Chinese team si Yao Ming. Kailan kaya ito mangyayari?


Ayon kay Eala, ang koponan na nagpunta sa China ang malamang na ipadala rin ng SBP sa SEA Games sa Laos sa 2009, 2010 Asian Games sa China at maging sa 2011 FIBA-Asia men’s championship qualifier para sa London Olympics.


Kailan lang binuo ni Toroman ang nasabing koponan. Malamang na pagbalik nila dito ay magkaroon ng ilang pagbabago sa komposisyon ng team. Malamang na nakita na ni Toroman kung anu-ano pa ang kulang sa team, kung mayroon man. At tiyak na patuloy na maghahanap ng mga manlalarong babagay sa kanyang coaching style itong si Toroman.


Walang dudang habang mas matagal na magkakasama sa koponan ang mga players ay lalong tumitibay ang kanilang samahan, ang kumpiyansa nila sa kani-kanilang mga sarili, ang kumpiyansa sa coaching style ng kung sino mang may hawak sa team. At habang nadaragdagan ang experience ng mga ito sa paglalaro sa mga international na laban ay tiyak na gaganda ang tsansa ng bansa na makapaglaro ng maganda.


Ganito rin ang sistemang ipinatupad ni Ron Jacobs noong siya ang national team coach noong 80s. Ang sabi nga niya noon, wala ni sino man sa kanyang mga manlalaro ang nakasisigurong pasok na sila sa koponan hangga’t wala pa sila sa actual na laban. Pero alam nating lahat na nang mga panahong ‘yun ay hindi na gagalawin ni Jacobs ang kanyang first five.


Ang pagkakaiba lang noon at ngayon, mayroong tatlong naturalized players si Jacobs. Ngayon, marami namang mga Fil-Am sa koponang binuo ni Toroman. At kung San Miguel noon ang patron ng national team, ngayon naman ay Smart sa ilalim ni MVP.


Pareho kaya ang ma*ging resulta ng dalawang progra*mang ito?

Matatandaan na tinanghal na Asian champion noon ang RP team—noong 1985—na hawak ni Jacobs. Muli kayang maulit ito sa koponan na hawak naman ni Toroman?

D_I_A
12-24-2008, 12:41 AM
RP cagers to train in Serbia, US
Updated December 24, 2008 12:00 AM
Philstar

The RP developmental pool, fresh from its title run in China last week, will have little rest before plunging back into action in its continuing buildup for a series of international tournaments next year.

Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas executive director Noli Eala said the team handled by project director Serbian coach Rajko Toroman will train in Serbia and the United States before competing in several meets, including the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup and the Stankovich Cup.

“So far, the training camp starts on Jan. 7, then we’ll go to Serbia late March and to the United States in April for a series of tournaments,” Eala told The STAR yesterday.

The national team is gearing up for the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in May, the Stankovich Cup in October and the Southeast Asian Games in Laos late this year.

The 25-player pool, with more Fil-Ams expected to join, was formed by Toroman and the SBP, headed by Manny V. Pangilinan, last month with hopes of making it through the qualifier of the 2012 London Olympics.

“I’m very happy for the SBP and MVP (Pangilinan), coach Toroman, the team and all those who believe in what’s we’re trying to do at SBP,” said Eala.

“Not only because we won an unexpected title against a strong team in their home court, but more so because this validates that there is hope for Philippine basketball if we work together, plan early and sacrifice for a common cause,” said Eala.

“This is a special victory as it comes very early in our program,” he added.

Eala, however, stressed that there’s a lot of things to be done at this stage.

“There are still lots of work ahead of us and we will not stop dreaming and believing. After all, that’s where it all starts,” he said.

The Nationals, composed of nearly half of the pool, shocked China, 76-72, recently to complete a five-game sweep of the first China-Asean CBO Men’s Invitational tournament in Guangxi Province.

Collegiate stars Chris Tiu and Rabeh Al-Hussaini of reigning UAAP champion Ateneo, Ogie Menor of three-peat NCAA titlist San Beda and JV Casio and Rico Maierhofer of La Salle head the initial roster of players that included Jason Ballesteros of San Sebastian, San Sebastian high school standout Arvie Bringas and 7-foot Fil-Am Greg Slaughter of University of Visayas and Joey Deas, another Fil-Am hotshot from Rockhurst University in Kansas are also in the list.

Others in the fold are Ateneo’s Ryan Buenafe and Nonoy Baclao, Far Eastern U’s Mark Barroca, Mac Baracael and JR Cawaling, University of the East’s Marcy Arellano and Paul Lee, Letran’s RJ Jazul, University of Santo Tomas’ Dylan Ababou, La Salle’s Peejay Barua, University of Cebu’s Rico Fajardo, University of the Philippines’ Magi Sison and Martin Reyes and Santo Tomas’ Jervy Cruz. – Joey Villar

D_I_A
01-03-2009, 01:18 AM
SBP plans US training camp for Fil-Ams

By June Navarro
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 01:56:00 01/02/2009


MANILA, Philippines—In an effort to beef up the national team, the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas will open a training camp in the United States for foreign players with Filipino roots sometime in April.

SBP executive director Noli Eala said the US camp may be located in the West Coast and will coincide with a series of tournaments involving the national team that will be formed for the 2012 London Olympics.

On top of the list of US-trained prospects whom the SBP intends to invite are Gian Chiu and Japeth Aguilar, a pair of 6-foot-9 standouts who are seeing action in the US NCAA.

“We plan to invite Japeth and Gian to our training camp in the US and then hopefully include them both in the team that will play in the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in May,” said Eala.

Eala said the SBP has appointed Jim Kelly, Toronto Raptors’ senior director for player personnel, as chief scouting director in the US.

Kelly has reportedly identified several players willing to don the national colors.

Eala said the 25-player developmental pool under project director Serbian coach Rajko Toroman would resume training on Wednesday. They will fly to Serbia in March for a series of workouts before proceeding to the US.

Eala said Aguilar, of Western Kentucky University in the US NCAA Division I, and Chiu, a starter for NCAA division III’s Oberlin College, are interested in representing the country and will add ceiling to the pool.

The SBP said it would bid for the hosting of the Seaba Champion’s Cup and the Seaba Men’s Championship next year, a pair of qualifying tournaments for the import-laced FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in May and FIBA-Asia Championship in August.

“We want to host these Seaba qualifiers apart and also participate in other tournaments next year,” said Eala.

“I will convene all basketball stakeholders to discuss these matters.”

Other tournaments the SBP plans to join next year are the Seaba Women’s Championship (June 1-5), Seaba Under-16 Women’s Championship (Sept. 26-30) and the Seaba Under-16 Men’s Championship (July 25-29).

CrossOver
01-08-2009, 12:37 AM
By Joaquin Henson

Serbian coach Rajko Toroman and wife Tanja were SBP executive director Noli Eala’s special guests during the New Year holiday weekend in Baguio.

Eala took the Toromans on a tour of the country’s summer capital. Some of the places they visited were the Philippine Military Academy, the Ifugao village, the busy Session Road and the usual tourist hotspots.

The Toromans were in Baguio when the temperature fell to 9 degrees Celsius one morning a few days ago.

Eala said Toroman has a full schedule ahead. He’s coaching the national developmental squad in the SEABA Champions Cup in March and if it qualifies, the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in May. In between the tournaments, Toroman will bring the team to Serbia for a seven-game series and to the US on a 10-day training trip.

While in the US, the plan is for Toroman to supervise a camp where he hopes to discover Fil-Am potentials for the national team. He will evaluate Western Kentucky’s Japeth Aguilar and Oberlin College’s Gian Chiu to determine if they join the crusade in the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup.

Eala said no site has been set for the SEABA Champions Cup and it’s possible Manila will bid to host. This week, Eala will confer with PLDT chairman Manny Pangilinan on a bidding strategy. FIBA-Asia will accept bids to host its tournaments this year starting Jan. 21.

Aside from the Champions Cup, the developmental team will see action in the FIBA-Asia Stankovic Cup and the Southeast Asian Games in Laos.

PhilStar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=430053&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

D_I_A
01-10-2009, 04:59 AM
Contracts eyed for SBP cagers
Manila Bulletin
1/10/2009


By JONAS TERRADO

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is planning to offer a three-year contract to the 18-man roster of the developmental team under project director Rajko Toroman to ensure continuity of the program.

Executive director Noli Eala bared that the contract also provides a one-year provision in case the team makes the 2012 London Olympics.

Eala, however, didn’t reveal the amount but said it would depend on the status of the player, if he is a collegiate player or someone who will likely enter the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) draft.

"Mahirap magsalita eh. It would depend on the status of the player," said Eala. "If he is a collegiate player who will not turn pro, why give him a pro salary? But if a player who is obviously a first-round pick, you have to give them something."

The SBP has already talked one-on-one with the players of the pool although they wouldn’t mind if they would not accept the offer.

"But we told them that this is an alternate path towards the PBA that for a while they will devote themselves for a few years with the national team," said Eala.

"And by that time they enter the pro league, they are not only very good players but you have gained experience."

"This will be a good opportunity for these young players," he added. "I think this is the best offer a young player can get. They can play internationally, train with a foreign coach, they can play in the local leagues, and finally maybe they can play as a guest team in the PBA."

The final 18-man roster is set to be finalized before they go to Serbia on March 15 for a 10-day, seven-game training. From there, they will go to the United States in mid-April for a 10-day camp.

D_I_A
01-11-2009, 11:36 PM
Cage officials optimistic RP team will jell in time
Daily Tribune
Julius Manicad
01/12/2009

Powered by the country’s brightest collegiate stars, the RP men’s basketball developmental pool is said to be the strongest squad ever assembled since the 1980s, although cage officials said they are not rushing things down as they are patiently waiting for the young guys to blossom into one of the region’s most dominant squads.

Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) project director Rajko Toroman of Serbia recently reported the latest development of his team, saying that after winning the First China-Asean Invitational tournament, the squad has taken its first giant leap to prominence.

The team, however, needs more time to jell and that the SBP had already prepared a long list of foreign exposure that would hopefully lead to a return flight to the Olympics in 2012.

Included in its overseas assignments are the Seaba Champions Cup, Fiba Asia Champions Cup, Stankovic Cup and the 25th Southeast Asian Games where the country is the reigning titlist. The team is also set to have a 10-day training camp in the United States and a series of road games in Serbia in March.

“We’re just in the starting line of a very long journey,” Toroman said, comparing the squad to what he had in Iran that went all the way to see action in the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

“At this point, we’re not after winning, but after their development. We’re not only developing their skills, but also molding them into real winners in the future.”

Included in the 24-man pool who all amateur are Ogie Menor of San Beda, Dylan Ababou of UST, Mark Barocca of FEU, JV Casio and Rico Maierhofer of La Salle, and Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Chris Tiu and Ryan Buenafe of Ateneo.

SBP also invited Filipino-American spitfire Joey Deas of Rockhurst University in Kansas, Tyrell Theophile of St. Gregory of Oklahoma and 6-foot-11 Gregory Slaughter of University of the Visayas to shore its frontline.

“This team has a very long way to go. All we have to do is to wait and be patient,” SBP executive director Noli Eala said.

D_I_A
01-13-2009, 10:35 PM
‘SKY IS THE LIMIT’

Future of RP caging offered rich contracts

01/14/2009
Daily Tribune
By Julius Manicad

So young, and so rich.

The country’s best young players get to earn millions while getting the rare chance to play for flag and country as the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) formally offered lucrative contracts to select members of its developmental pool.

The SBP wants to cement a long-term deal with the players in what could be its first major step towards its ambitious goal to play in the 2012 London Olympics.

But SBP executive director Noli Eala clarified the deal would not collide with the cagers’ commitments with their respective schools and mother teams in the Philippine Basketball League (PBL), giving them an ultimate exposure both in local and international competitions.

He said the multi-million contract were meant to give the players “economic security.” He also clarified the contracts will not collide with players’s existing deals with their PBL teams.

They, in fact, are closely mulling a five-day invitational tournament featuring four PBL teams, the national team and three other foreign squads, to serve as the Nationals’ acid test before seeing action in the Seaba Champions Cup in May.

The SBP will be spending a total of P14 million for the first year, P24 million for the second year and P36 million for the third year to finance the staggering compensation package of 20 players in the 24-man squad in the next three years.

The young players are also entitled to lucrative training and competition allowance aside from won game bonuses that could rival what the rookies, and even seasoned veterans, in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) are receiving.

And, of course, winning a title also equates to a hefty paycheck.

“This is really ‘sky is the limit’ so to speak,” Eala yesterday said during the weekly PSA forum at the Shakey’s UN Avenue branch. “What more can you ask for? They’ve got the best of both worlds, and the players are very positive about it.”

“But we have no intention of competing with the PBL. If the PBL team owners will allow the players to continue to practice (with us) freely, then we’re okay. They can still play in the PBL if they want to, we’re just making it attractive for these players.”

First to be given contracts, which Eala said have soared to as high as P6.4 million for three-years, were Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Chris Tiu, Ryan Buenafe, JR Cawaling, Mark Barocca, RJ Jazul, Jason Ballesteros, Ogie Menor, Rey Guevarra and Marcy Arellano.

Prized amateur standouts such as Rico Maierhofer, JV Casio, Dylan Ababou and Filipino-Americans Gregory Slaughter, Joey Deas and Terrel Theophile will be formally given contracts when they attend practice on Friday.

“We already asked the boys to give their replies by Sunday,” Eala said. “But they will all be subjected to evaluation after the SEA Games. The good thing is that (our) long-term goal is now in full-swing and we hope to sustain the momentum until the Olympics.”

D_I_A
01-13-2009, 11:01 PM
So Young, Yet So Rich SBP Allocate P74M Three Year Budget For National Cagers
Business Mirror
1/13/2009

IT now pays—extremely generously—to become a member of the men’s national basketball team.

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) has in its coffers a cool P74-million budget for the men’s team it is honing for major international competitions.

Included in that juicy fund is a whopping P180,000 a month allowance—or salary?—that would go to the team’s top players for a guaranteed three years—repeat, three years!

The budget covers that three-year period, the same number of years the SBP has inked Serbian coach Rajko Toroman to prepare the team.

SBP executive director Noli Eala told Tuesday’s Philippine Sportswriters Association (PSA) Forum at the Shakey’s United Nations branch that some of the players on the team have already signed their contracts on Monday.

The contracts provide compensations comparable with the professionals in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) where Eala once served as commissioner.

SBP executive director Noli Eala explains their decision to put the RP pool members under contract. ROY DOMINGO

The program is also comparable with the Northern Consolidated squad in the early 1980s which business tycoon Danding Cojuangco bankrolled. That team produced the likes of Hector Calma, Samboy Lim and Allan Caidic.

“But I told them, ‘Let us not play because of the contracts. This is just for your economical security,’” said Eala. “We just want it to be attractive for them to join the national team, wherein I can pull out 12 players and play Fiba tournaments easily. That is the whole concept of having a pool.”

Eala said the SBP program calls for a P14-million budget on salaries or allowances on the first year, P24 million on the second year and P36 million on the third year.

The SBP executive director, however, did not specify how much each of the players will be receiving, although he revealed that those who already signed their contracts are Ateneo’s Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Chris Tiu and Ryan Buenafe; Far Eastern University’s (FEU) JR Cawaling and Mark Barroca; Letran’s RJ Jazul and Rey Guevarra; San Beda’s Ogie Menor; and San Sebastian’s Jason Ballesteros.

He also did not say where the funding came from—although all fingers appear to be pointing toward SBP president Manuel Pangilinan, the Smart-PLDT head.

“Their first reaction was more of a shock than happy in terms of what they are getting,” Eala said in the weekly session sponsored by Shakey’s, Accel, Brickroad gym and Aspen spa, and MedCentral Medical Clinic and Diagnostic Center.

Other members on the team are Nonoy Baclao of Ateneo, JV Casio, and Rico Maierhofer of De La Salle, Filipino-American Joey Deas of Rockhurst University in Kansas, Greg Slaughter of University of Visayas, Dylan Ababou of University of Santo Tomas, Mac Baracael of FEU, Paul Lee of UE, Peejay Barua also of De La Salle, Martin Reyes of UP, Rico Fajardo of University of Cebu, Magi Sison of UP, Terrel Theophile of the Pampanga Buddies, Jervy Cruz of UST, Arvie Bringas of San Sebastian High School and Philip Paredes of Reedley.

Eala said the salaries or allowances are intended to inspire the players to remain on the team.

“In the program, besides the money, they get playing time and prolong their PBA career because they are not going to play in the PBA early. They get to play internationally and be handled by a foreign coach. Maganda for their careers and their financial standing, too,” Eala said.

Toroman was elated by the fact that the developmental pool will remain intact in the next three years. He plans to train the pool in Serbia and the United States to hone the players for international tournaments like the 2009 Southeast Asian Games in Laos, the 2010 Asian Games in Guangzhou, China, and the 2011 Fiba-Asia Men’s Championship.

“We need to play a lot of games outside the country together. That is one way of improving the players,” Toroman said in the same forum.

Eala also said the developmental pool can play in the Philippine Basketball League (PBL) even with the contracts.

“The contract is in the presumption that they are exclusive with the SBP. We have no intentions of competing with PBL, the only problem is napipigilan ’yung pag-attend ng practice because of their commitment with the PBL. If PBL owners will allow them to continue to practice with their teams, we are okay,” Eala said.

The developmental pool will compete in the Southeast Asian Basketball Association Champions Cup tentatively set from March 3 to 7 in a still to be announced venue.

D_I_A
01-14-2009, 12:40 AM
National five aspirants offered lucrative pacts
By Abac Cordero Updated January 14, 2009 12:00 AM
Philstar

Members of the national team under the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas are being treated and pampered like pros.

According to SBP executive director Noli Eala, lucrative contracts have been offered to the young players, most of them still studying, who are being groomed for future international meets.

Eala said the players, down to 18 from an original pool of 35, were offered contracts that can match or even surpass the salaries of some PBA players, and it includes a hefty bonus package.

Eala yesterday said one of them, whom he refused to identify, was offered P6.4 million for three years, the duration of the program being designed by Serbian coach Rajko Toroman.

Some players were offered two-year contracts with an option for one more year after evaluation, while some were given three-year contracts worth millions of pesos.

Eala said those who were offered contracts were Chris Tiu, Ryan Buenafe and Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Mark Barroca, JR Cawaling, RJ Jasul, Jason Ballesteros, Marcy Arellano, Ogie Menor and Rey Guevarra.

The others, led by Rico Maierhofer, will be presented their contracts on Friday during team practice. They will be given time to decide, although Eala felt that no one would decline.

Eala said on the first year, the SBP, bankrolled by Smart and PLDT chairman Manny V. Pangilinan, will spend P14 million on the players, then P24 million and P36 million on the third year.

The team is looking at the SEABA Champions Cup which would lead to a possible stint in the FIBA Asia Champions Cup this year. Also on tap are the SEA Games in Laos in December, and the Asian Games in China next year.

“The contracts have been presented to the players and they were more than happy. They were awed by the fact that we’re offering them unbelievable contracts at this point of their career,” said Eala.

“These are contracts that even pro players will be happy with. The initial reaction was very positive. Coach Toroman felt the players didn’t like it but in reality it’s more of a shock to them,” he added.

“It’s more than a million peso contract for everybody and some have two-year contract. There was one who got P6.4 million for three years. These players are very lucky.”

The SBP official said since most of the players are still playing in the UAAP or NCAA they did not schedule tournaments during the collegiate season. The only hitch is that some of them are with the PBL.

These players also get paid by their PBL teams, and may be forced to make a choice if problems with their schedule, especially in practices, cannot be avoided in the future.

“We’re asking the PBL to allow the players to practice with us and compete so we can share players. If this is not acceptable then everybody will have to make some sacrifice and we’ll have to pull out some players from the PBL,” Eala said.

Eala added they encourage the players to keep on studying. If they flunk their academics, they are scratched from the SBP payroll but will remain with the team.

“Their commitments to their schools are sacred to us. And one of our requirements is for them to maintain their college eligibility. If they flunk we take them out of the payroll until they regain their academics,” he said.

“Al-Hussaini was so happy he said, “Boss dito na ako.” He’s very happy and MVP (Pangilinan) is very happy. Our won-game bonuses are like in the PBA and we have no caps how much to give if we win a championship. Sky’s the limit but of course not literally,” Eala added.

D_I_A
01-14-2009, 01:15 AM
AMATEUR PICKS HAVE TO DELAY THEIR PROFESSIONAL PLANS

20 hoop stars selected for RP team
Manila Times
By Krista Angela M. Montealegre, Reporter

The Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas (SBP) has awarded contracts to 20 collegiate players for their continued and exclusive stay in the association’s training pool at the expense of their pro league dreams.

SBP Executive Director Noli Eala on Tuesday named Ryan Buenafe, Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Chris Tiu of Ateneo, JR Cawaling and Mark Barroca of Far Eastern University, RJ Jazul and Rey Guevarra of Letran, Jason Ballesteros of San Sebastian, Ogie Menor of San Beda and Marcy Arellano of University of the East as among the recipients of the contract worth as much as P6 million each.

Signing the contract would mean that should their collegiate tenure expire, they would have to wait a little longer to be drafted in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA), the country’s premier professional league, to concentrate on their training for the developmental squad who would represent the country in the 2009 Southeast Asian (SEA) Games in Laos, the 2010 Asian Games in China and 2011 International Basketball Federation (FIBA) Asia Men’s Championship Qualifier for the London Olympics.

“If they will not join the PBA they will gain international exposure and when the time comes that they’re ready to play in the league, they can bring their experience with them,” said Serbian coach Rajko Toroman, the national team project director.

Eala clarified that the players who have an existing contract with the Philippine Basketball League are still eligible to play for their mother clubs. He added that as of the moment, he is still talking with PBL executives to allow its players to be pulled out from their teams should the national team compete in international meets.

“We have no intentions of competing with the other leagues. We just want to win some international games to increase our FIBA ranking. In order to do that, we have to make some sacrifices,” he said.

The SBP, which is also bidding for the Southeast Asian Games Champion’s Cup and the SEA Basketball Association Men’s Championship, would wait for the response of the players until Sunday, January 18.

Eala added that the association would respect and would not interfere with the obligations of the players to play for their respective schools in the collegiate leagues. Should a player be dropped from the school team because of academic reasons, the SBP would also not include the player in its payroll, he said.

“Basketball is coming together. It’s good that all the leagues are cooperating to help the causes of the national team,” said Eala.

D_I_A
01-14-2009, 01:18 PM
SBP sweetens pot for RP pool members
Manila Bulletin
1/14/2009

By JONAS TERRADO

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) has sweetened the pot for its 20-man developmental team whose members will be offered as much as three-contracts to keep them entertaining offers from the country’s major basketball leagues, in particular the PBA and the PBL.

Depending on their ability and their current status, the young players will be given as much as P1 million contracts with at least one player being bandied as capable of receiving as much as P6.7 million over a three-year period.

SBP Executive Director Noli Eala said the association plans to set aside a total of P74 million for the ambitious project as it raised the ante for the what it hopes will be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow: a berth in the 2012 London Olympics basketball tournament for the Philippines.

"It’s more than a million-peso contract for everyone," said Eala. "Some of them are two-year contracts, some of them are for three years. There’s even one who may get P6.4 million pesos for three years."

Eala, though, did not identify the player who has been offered the biggest contract.

But the SBP is not wasting any time. Eala said he expects the members of the national pool under project director Rajko Toroman to have their decision by Sunday.

He said the SBP will have a budget of P14 million in the first year, P24M in the second and P36M in the final year.

Incentives such as game bonuses and allowances for tournaments abroad and practices will also be also given to the players.

Though the SBP wants the players to play exclusively for the association, Eala said they will allow players with live contracts in the Philippine Basketball League (PBL) to play for their mother teams.

"If a player has a PBL team, then we will have to adjust his contract (with the SBP)," he added. "Regarding those na nasa college teams, sacred sa amin yun," he said explaining that these players will play for their schools should there be a conflict in schedule.

Eala also said that they are not competing with the PBL or the collegiate teams in terms of getting these players to participate in the national team.

"We’re not competitors, we’re trying to make it attractive for these players to join the national team," Eala said. "In the past, it has never been attractive that’s why walang nangyayari sa national team."

The SBP has already talked with 12 players, namely Chris Tiu, Ryan Buenafe, Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Mark Barroca, JR Cawaling, Marcy Arellano, Jason Ballesteros, RJ Jazul and Rey Guevarra during Monday’s practice about the contracts and hopes to have more talks in their next practice on Friday.

Meanwhile, Eala also said that they plan to bid for the hosting of the SEABA Champions Cup, which the developmental team will participate in, and are currently studying the possibility of bidding to host for the SEABA Men’s Basketball Championship, a qualifier for the FIBA Asia Championship in China this August.

The all-pro squad of head coach Yeng Guiao is set to compete in the said tournament.

On the other hand, the SBP is hoping to intensify preparations for both the women’s senior and junior national teams after Eala met with their representatives last Monday

D_I_A
01-16-2009, 07:48 AM
Friday, January 16, 2009
Manila Times
-- Krista Angela M. Montealegre
RP cagers need more world exposure


Serbian Coach and national team project Director Rajko Toroman insisted that the RP developmental squad needs more foreign exposure to improve the skills of its players.

“We have a good team. We develop a very good atmosphere,” said Toroman. “But the players need international competitions to test their abilities.”

The Serbian mentor, who stirred the RP squad to a surprise victory against a tall Chinese team to clinch the first China-Asean CBO Men’s Invitational Tournament title, believes that the lack of international meets has hampered the progress of the country’s homegrown talents.

He cited the 6’11 Gregory Slaughter from the University of Visayas in Cebu City who has a bright future ahead of him, but the lack of quality games has taken a toll on his development as a player.

“He’s a smart guy. He has the potential. When he plays here, all the players are smaller than him. What he needs is a big competition. He needs to be competitive with bigger guys in other countries,” Toroman said.

“The players are good but what basketball in this country misses is international success.”

The Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas (SBP) is planning to bid for the Southeast Asian Games Champion’s Cup and the SEABA Men’s Championship as part of the team’s preparation for the 2009 SEA Games in Laos, the 2010 Asian Games in China and 2011 FIBA Asia Men’s Championship Qualifier for the London Olympics.

The SBP would also send the RP team to Serbia this March and the United States this April where they would be competing in a series of games against more experienced teams.

D_I_A
01-19-2009, 12:50 AM
Top 10 named for RP five
By Joaquin Henson Updated January 19, 2009 12:00 AM
Philstar

SBP executive director Noli Eala said yesterday the governing body is in the process of tendering offer sheets to 19 amateur standouts who will form the core of the national developmental basketball team up to the 2012 London Olympics.

The “wish list” is broken down into 10 players with three-year offer sheets and nine with two-year offer sheets and a one-year right of option for renewal.

The top 10 cagers are Chris Tiu, Mark Barroca, Ryan Buenafe, Ogie Menor, J. R. Cawaling, Greg Slaughter, Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Rico Maierhofer, J. V. Casio and Dylan Ababou.

No figures were disclosed by Eala but it was rumored that Tiu will be offered a P6.4 million contract, Hussaini P4 million and Buenafe P1.6 million. The three stars played key roles in leading Ateneo to the UAAP men’s senior championship this season.

Eala said he has conferred with the PBL’s Butch Maniego regarding the movement of the players, many of whom are seeing action in the amateur commercial league.

“We’re working closely with the PBL and we want to keep the PBL informed of our plans every step of the way as a major SBP stakeholder,” said Eala. “We realize there may be conflicts in schedule. We hope to work out solutions in order to address this problem.”

Four players were cut from the initial group of players invited by Serbian coach Rajko Toroman to try out for the developmental squad. They were San Sebastian high school star Arvie Bringas who failed to attend a single tryout, Fil-Am Terrell Theophile, Paul Lee who declined to participate and Ateneo’s Nonoy Baclao who is still nursing an injury.

Players who will be offered two-year contracts include Jason Ballesteros, Marcy Arellano, Mac Baracael, Rey Guevara and R. J. Jazul.

Eala said UST stalwart Jervy Cruz showed up for his first tryout a week ago.

On salaries alone, the SBP has set aside a budget of P14 million for the first year, P24 million for the second and P36 million for the third. It’s clearly a serious effort to hold on to the amateur stars for a “developmental” period before they turn pro.

But Eala said the plan is by no means a way to challenge the PBA.

“We’re all in this together,” said Eala. “The PBA is an integral part of the SBP program. Chris and J. V. are the only players who’ll miss the next PBA draft if they stay with the national team. We’re not depriving a big block of players from turning pro. In fact, we hope the PBA will allow the national team to play as a guest in the next Philippine Cup. In the end, all the national players will wind up in the PBA and their years of international exposure will make them more than ready to turn pro. It’s unfair to think there is any personal agenda behind our national team program.”

Eala said the offer sheets were approved by top SBP officials, including PBA governor Ricky Vargas.

“No contracts have been finalized,” continued Eala. “Only offer sheets, containing selected portions of the contract terms, are being tendered. Anyone referring to a contract is just speculating. There are penalties for both parties in the event of pre-termination so it goes both ways. Our vision is long-term and that’s why we’re talking of two and three-year commitments. Let’s remember that a contract can’t be onerous unless signed under duress or coercion. The SBP isn’t forcing anyone to sign. Everyone has the option to decline. What we’re offering is a chance to bring honor to our country. Our ultimate goal is to qualify our national team for the London Olympics

CrossOver
01-19-2009, 01:03 AM
Sa mga hindi umatend ng try out para sa RP Team nako kelangan niyo ng mag-isip* ::)

thadzonline
01-19-2009, 09:01 AM
Top 10 named for RP five
By Joaquin Henson Updated January 19, 2009 12:00 AM
Philstar

SBP executive director Noli Eala said yesterday the governing body is in the process of tendering offer sheets to 19 amateur standouts who will form the core of the national developmental basketball team up to the 2012 London Olympics.

The “wish list” is broken down into 10 players with three-year offer sheets and nine with two-year offer sheets and a one-year right of option for renewal.

The top 10 cagers are Chris Tiu, Mark Barroca, Ryan Buenafe, Ogie Menor, J. R. Cawaling, Greg Slaughter, Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Rico Maierhofer, J. V. Casio and Dylan Ababou.

No figures were disclosed by Eala but it was rumored that Tiu will be offered a P6.4 million contract, Hussaini P4 million and Buenafe P1.6 million. The three stars played key roles in leading Ateneo to the UAAP men’s senior championship this season.

Eala said he has conferred with the PBL’s Butch Maniego regarding the movement of the players, many of whom are seeing action in the amateur commercial league.

“We’re working closely with the PBL and we want to keep the PBL informed of our plans every step of the way as a major SBP stakeholder,” said Eala. “We realize there may be conflicts in schedule. We hope to work out solutions in order to address this problem.”

Four players were cut from the initial group of players invited by Serbian coach Rajko Toroman to try out for the developmental squad. They were San Sebastian high school star Arvie Bringas who failed to attend a single tryout, Fil-Am Terrell Theophile, Paul Lee who declined to participate and Ateneo’s Nonoy Baclao who is still nursing an injury.

Players who will be offered two-year contracts include Jason Ballesteros, Marcy Arellano, Mac Baracael, Rey Guevara and R. J. Jazul.

Eala said UST stalwart Jervy Cruz showed up for his first tryout a week ago.

On salaries alone, the SBP has set aside a budget of P14 million for the first year, P24 million for the second and P36 million for the third. It’s clearly a serious effort to hold on to the amateur stars for a “developmental” period before they turn pro.

But Eala said the plan is by no means a way to challenge the PBA.

“We’re all in this together,” said Eala. “The PBA is an integral part of the SBP program. Chris and J. V. are the only players who’ll miss the next PBA draft if they stay with the national team. We’re not depriving a big block of players from turning pro. In fact, we hope the PBA will allow the national team to play as a guest in the next Philippine Cup. In the end, all the national players will wind up in the PBA and their years of international exposure will make them more than ready to turn pro. It’s unfair to think there is any personal agenda behind our national team program.”

Eala said the offer sheets were approved by top SBP officials, including PBA governor Ricky Vargas.

“No contracts have been finalized,” continued Eala. “Only offer sheets, containing selected portions of the contract terms, are being tendered. Anyone referring to a contract is just speculating. There are penalties for both parties in the event of pre-termination so it goes both ways. Our vision is long-term and that’s why we’re talking of two and three-year commitments. Let’s remember that a contract can’t be onerous unless signed under duress or coercion. The SBP isn’t forcing anyone to sign. Everyone has the option to decline. What we’re offering is a chance to bring honor to our country. Our ultimate goal is to qualify our national team for the London Olympics




there have been some who are a bit unhappy about the supposed offers. Then there was that issue on players paying thrice the contract price should they leave. On the other hand, what do they get if they were cut in the middle of it all?

digitalsuperman
01-19-2009, 04:28 PM
easy..they go pro..

bchoter
01-19-2009, 08:09 PM
Arvie's coach did not allow him to participate daw. Paurong mag isip. Arvie will surely improve if he joins the team and SSC will benefit from it in case they get to keep him.

D_I_A
01-20-2009, 01:06 AM
Arvie's coach did not allow him to participate daw. Paurong mag isip. Arvie will surely improve if he joins the team and SSC will benefit from it in case they get to keep him.



talaga

sayang..diyan makikita kung gano ka-insecure ang ibang schools para lang ma preserve ang program nila against other schools

D_I_A
01-20-2009, 05:05 AM
Developmental RP 5 – LongTerm Commitment
TJ Manotoc
Abante
1/20/2009


Sa pagsimula ng taon, nais na din ng BAP-SBP na magsimula ng may maayos at malinis na direksyon patungo sa paghahanda ng RP Development Team na lalaro sa mga international basketball competitions na hindi sasalihan ng main men’s team na pangungunahan ng PBA selection. Marami na ang napag-usapan tungkol sa developmental team na ito noong isang taon pa lalo pa nu’ng sumama na rin sa BAP-SBP ang ngayon ay sec. gen. na si dating PBA Commisioner na si Noli Eala.


Layunin ngayon ng BAP-SBP na makabuo ng core ng team na pawang bata para pagdating ng 2012 ay hinog na hinog na ang mga ito. Pero ang naiiba ngayon sa mga dating hakbang ng bansa na bumuo ng line-up na pupuno sa RP team na pangmatagalan ay ang bagong hangarin ng BAP-SBP na maging eksklusibo sa RP Team lamang ang mga player na ito.

Ibig sabihin, hindi sila maglalaro sa PBL o maging sa PBA at bibigyan sila ng suweldo ng BAP-SBP na halos tatapat sa maaaring kitain nila bilang player sa PBL o sa PBA.


Ayon kay Eala, hangarin talaga nila na makabuo ng team na tatagal ang samahan sa loob ng tatlong taon kaya naman tinapatan nila halos ang mga maaaring kikitain ng mga players na ito sakaling pumasok sila sa PBA o PBL. Hindi short term ang hanap nila. Ibig sabihin, sa mga tournaments na sasalihan nila nitong taon, wala silang mataas na expectations na manalo kaagad. Ang gusto nila ay makabuo ng experience sa dadaanan nilang mga giyera kahit na matalo ng ibang mga mas matatandang mga team.

Ang goal talaga ng team na ito ay makabuo ng malakas na team na sasabak sa Asian Games sa 2010 at sa FIBA Asia Championships sa susunod na taon.


Ngayon, maaaring matanong niyo, ano ba ang pinagkaiba nito sa All-PBA Selection na RP Team? Maging ako, naitanong ko na din ito kay Eala.

Ayon sa kanya, pang-short term ang commitment nila ngayon. Ibig sabihin, kung ‘di sila magku-qualify nitong taon, hindi na sila ang sasabak sa malalakas na tournament sa 2010. Kaya malamang kahit papaano ay dagdag pressure ito kay coach Yeng Guiao at sa mga player niya sa RP Pool.


Pero balik naman dito sa Developmental Team, ang mga kasali sa unang sampu na pinangalanan ng BAP-SBP na nasa pool na inalukan na nila ng mga kontrata ay sina Chris Tiu, Mark Barroca, Ryan Buenafe, Ogie Menor, J. R. Cawaling, Greg Slaughter, Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Rico Maierhofer, JVee Casio at Dylan Ababou.


Sa ngayon, hinahawakan sila ni coach Toroman na ayon kay Eala ay maganda naman ang response at adjustments ng mga bata sa European coach na iba ang style sa mga Pinoy na coach. Balak ni Eala na makasali sa anim na tournaments ang Dev Team kada taon para mahasa ng husto.


Ang isang tanong na lang sa mga batang ito ay kung handa na ba talaga sila mag-commit sa RP Team na pangmatagalan at long term?

Naiintindihan ko ang puwesto ng BAP-SBP, na ayaw naman nilang basta silang maiwanan ng mga magagaling na player kung magbago ang isip nila at gusto na nilang mag-pro. Kaya naman may mahabaang kontrata na silang inaalok. Walang iwanan ika nga. Ngayon, hamon sa mga mga batang ito, since maganda na ang suweldo at tila walang mawawala sa’yo financially, handa na ba kayong mag-commit para sa bayan?

thadzonline
01-20-2009, 01:02 PM
easy..they go pro..


sana nga lang hindi mid season ma cut ;D

D_I_A
01-23-2009, 12:15 AM
Members of RP training team known today
Updated January 23, 2009 12:00 AM
Philstar

BACOLOD – Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas executive director Noli Eala said the players who would sign up with the national training team under Serbian coach Rajko Toroman will be known today.

“I’ll talk to the players tomorrow (Friday) about their contracts. We’ll know if they want to join the team. We’re confident they would accept the package offered them,” said Eala, who’s here attending the amateur boxing congress at L’Fisher Hotel.

The SBP, headed by Smart and PLDT chairman Manny V. Pangilinan, offered the RP hopefuls contracts that will keep them with the team for a period long enough to make them competitive for a shot at a slot in the next Olympics.

Among the players being eyed for the pool are Ateneo’s Chris Tiu and Rabeh Al-Hussaini, La Salle’s JV Casio and Rico Maeirhofer, Far Eastern U’s Mark Andy Barroca, Santo Tomas’ Dylan Ababou and Jervy Cruz, Fil-Am Gregory Slaughter and United States-based Japeth Aguilar.

Eala said they’re looking at fielding the developmental team in the Asean Basketball League slated to open in September as part of its training.

“There’s a 50-50 chance that the team of coach Toroman will join the ABL,” said Eala.

The ABL, a home-and-away tournament being organized by the Southeast Asian Basketball Association, will feature professional teams owned by private corporations.

“There’s going to be imports in the ABL. The thing is we’re trying to train together and we don’t want to put imports there,” said Eala.

CrossOver
01-24-2009, 09:38 AM
Sino-sino kaya ang mga napili, any news* ???

digitalsuperman
01-25-2009, 09:54 AM
wala atang pumirma ahh...

D_I_A
01-25-2009, 01:00 PM
wala atang pumirma ahh...


parang kilala ko ata ito ...k3v1nski ng pba forums?.. as usual, di pa din nagbabago.. pati ba naman dito? ;D

D_I_A
01-30-2009, 12:08 AM
b]Amateur stars sign up for RP 5
By Joaquin Henson Updated January 30, 2009 12:00 AM
Philstar
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SBP executive director Noli Eala announced yesterday the signing of seven amateur standouts to contracts affirming their commitment to play for the national developmental team under Serbian coach Rajko Toroman and disclosed plans of engaging PBA teams in preliminary games during the Philippine Cup finals.

Inked to three-year contracts were Dylan Ababou, Mark Barroca and J. R. Cawaling while Jason Ballesteros, Mac Baracael, R. J. Jazul and Magi Sison agreed to two-year deals.

Six more were expected to sign at presstime. They were Chris Tiu, Ogie Menor, Marcy Arellano, J. V. Casio, Rico Maierhofer and Rey Guevarra. Eala was in Zamboanga to attend an SBP activity yesterday and entrusted the negotiations to SBP executives Bernie Atienza and Butch Antonio.

To be offered contracts today are Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Ryan Buenafe, Greg Slaughter, Junmar Fajardo and Paul Lee. UST center Jervy Cruz showed up for practice two weeks ago but didn’t play. According to Cruz’ agent Danny Espiritu, he is willing to play for Toroman’s squad. However, Cruz’ reluctance to participate in the tryouts may be an indication he’s not ready to make a long-term commitment to the SBP.

“We’re excited about recruiting Slaughter and Fajardo,” said Eala. “We’re grateful to Cong. Eddie Gullas for excusing Slaughter from playing for the University of Visayas in the CESAFI league to come to Manila (today). Coach Toroman is scheduling practice for four days to prepare for the PBA games. We’re also hoping Fajardo, who plays for the University of Cebu, can join.”

The 6-11 Slaughter and the 6-8 Fajardo are the team’s tallest recruits.

Eala said the developmental team will play in preliminaries during the PBA finals starting Wednesday. Games are planned against Burger King and Barangay Ginebra.

“We’re in the process of finalizing arrangements with PBA commissioner Sonny Barrios,” said Eala. “Our players are excited. Mac Baracael, for instance, told me he’s ready to go up against Arwind Santos and Jay-Jay Helterbrand. It’ll be a good test for our young team.”

Eala said the contracts offered to the amateur standouts stipulate a severance pay of three times the annual salary in case the SBP decides to terminate the agreement.

“We will not renege on our commitment to the players,” he explained. “We’re asking for the players to give priority to the national team, that if they continue to play in the PBL, for instance, there should be prior clearance. We are also allowing players to back out under certain circumstances, like if they are offered a scholarship grant, if they decide to pursue a career outside of basketball, if there are personal or family reasons. There is nothing onerous in the contracts. We’re hoping for a smooth working relationship where we compensate the players for their long-term commitment.”

Eala said when the contracts expire, he suggests the players apply for the PBA draft but shouldn’t be subject to the cap for rookies.

“We won’t hold the players back beyond two or three years,” said Eala. “We’re actually preparing them for the PBA. An option to consider is to allow an early entry draft for a PBA team to acquire the signing rights to a player before he actually turns pro. There will be no payments made until the player finally moves to the PBA. It’s similar to what the NBA does with international players.”

clutchjedi
01-30-2009, 09:41 AM
^ Just wondering, for those who'd still be eligible for college ball (like Rabeh, Ryan B, Rico) - if they sign contracts and receive "salaries" for playing basketball, does this affect their college ball eligibilty and availability?

- are they considered "professionals" though they would play for the NT and not a commercial team?
- do the contracts allow them to still play college ball?

amdgc82
01-30-2009, 09:59 AM
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/rp-team-over-school

RP team over school
Friday, January 30, 2009

CEBU’s prized center Greg Slaughter is currently one of the most in-demand collegiate basketball stars and he has his hands full with several engagements. However, the 7-foot pivot man of the University of the Visayas (UV) has decided to set his mind on just one—the RP team.

“I will no longer be playing any more games for the Partners Cup. I will be leaving for Manila on Friday (today),” said Slaughter, referring to his stint with the national basketball team where he trains with Serbian coach Rajko Toroman.

The Partners Cup is a post-season event of the Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation Inc.

Basketball Association of the Philippines-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas executive director Noli Eala said it was important for Slaughter to play with the RP team because he is an integral cog in the squad, which is preparing for a busy schedule ahead.

“We are very happy that UV is very supportive of our endeavor and that they understand that Greg is an important part of the team and they let him go even if they are competing in the Partners Cup,” Eala said.

Late last year, the RP developmental team finished first in the 1st China-Asean CBO Men’s Invitational in Guangxi, China where they overpowered teams from Singapore, Macau, Vietnam, Brunei and even China with Slaughter at the forefront of the wins.

“We are prepared to make him a better player. In fact, he will be sent to Serbia in March and the US in April for more training,” Eala added.

The team is preparing for the Southeast Asian Games Basketball Association Champions Cup in March and the Fiba Asia Championship in Jakarta in May, which explains the early training.

The RP team will also be playing tune-up games with teams from the Philippine Basketball Association starting Wednesday next week.

PBA teams

“We will have exhibition games with PBA’s Burger King, Ginebra as preliminary games to the championship series,” Eala said.

Eala said he may be taking Slaughter out of the Partners Cup but this is actually an opportunity for him because he gets to play against tougher players.

Eala added that he is currently in negotiations to let the RP team play in the regular season of the PBA by October.

This development is something every boy who plays basketball dreams of and something that psyched the 20-year-old Slaughter.

“It is very favorable for me. I will be playing PBA teams,” he said.

“He is now a smarter player than when he started. He realizes that there is bigger competition out there. He is much quicker, which is something that we have been working with him on,” Eala said.

Eala added they have trainers who are focusing on Slaughter to develop his defensive qualities, rebounding and conditioning.

“One month pa lang pero malaki na ang improvement,” Eala said. “Lalo pa siyang gagaling if he can concentrate here.”

Eala also admitted that they are willing to offer Slaughter a contract to keep him with the team. Something Slaughter is having second thoughts of taking.
Although more than willing to serve the RP team, Slaughter said he has not signed any contract with the RP team yet.

The contract has been controversial that has some amateur players having second doubts.

The contract will bind the players with the RP team for three years and they cannot turn pro.
“Yes we can’t go pro, but that’s not bad because they still pay you,” said Eala.

By going pro, players are entitled to bigger pay and more perks from the clubs that they are in. In the RP, the players get enough stipend, but still get to serve the country by bannering the Philippine’s colors in international tournaments.

“There are some who signed the contract already. But I haven’t yet. There are some fishy issues on the contract that I will have to let UV see before I sign anything,” Slaughter said.

Meanwhile, Eala said that Slaughter will not be missing a lot on his academics while with the RP team. “We made sure of that (his studies). Our agreement with UV is to get Slaughter on weekends and when there are games. The rest of the week, we return him to Cebu so he can continue his studies,” said Eala.

The RP developmental team is also preparing for the Southeast Asian Games in Laos later this year, the 2010 Asian Games in China and the 2011 FIBA Asia Men’s Championship Qualifier for the 2012 London Olympics.

Slaughter rose to fame two years ago when fresh off high school in the US, he came to Cebu to play college ball and two schools fought to get his services. He attracted the attention of the talent scouts from Manila wanting to get him until finally, he was invited to become a part of the RP team. MCB

Mateen Cleaves
01-30-2009, 10:49 AM
^* Just wondering, for those who'd still be eligible for college ball (like Rabeh, Ryan B, Rico) - if they sign contracts and receive "salaries" for playing basketball, does this affect their college ball eligibilty and availability?

-* are they considered "professionals" though they would play for the NT and not a commercial team?
-* do the contracts allow them to still play college ball?



Most likely no problem at all. They're already getting money for playing in the PBL. People are just splitting hairs about what a professional or amateur player is. Most likely, they'll say that the national team will just be receiving generous "allowances" and that will be the end of it.

The only players who might have problems would be Japeth Aguilar and Gian Chiu -- assuming that they will eventually be offered similar arrangements. If either player wants to retain US NCAA eligibility, it's not as clear cut for them. The US NCAA is not as liberal as the Philippines in defining amateur status.

nardy
01-30-2009, 12:30 PM
^* Just wondering, for those who'd still be eligible for college ball (like Rabeh, Ryan B, Rico) - if they sign contracts and receive "salaries" for playing basketball, does this affect their college ball eligibilty and availability?

-* are they considered "professionals" though they would play for the NT and not a commercial team?
-* do the contracts allow them to still play college ball?



Most likely no problem at all. They're already getting money for playing in the PBL. People are just splitting hairs about what a professional or amateur player is. Most likely, they'll say that the national team will just be receiving generous "allowances" and that will be the end of it.

The only players who might have problems would be Japeth Aguilar and Gian Chiu -- assuming that they will eventually be offered similar arrangements. If either player wants to retain US NCAA eligibility, it's not as clear cut for them. The US NCAA is not as liberal as the Philippines in defining amateur status.


there is a certain amount which makes it legally a salary as against an allowance. Those players who are really deep into their schooling were not given offers or contracts that would categorized them as "professional" thus hampering their college eligibility. The offered amounts are based on the market value of the player and on when said player is qualified for the PBA draft. So if the player is years away from the minimum age requirement, he would not be given an offer sheet any where near to what a PBA Draftee would be getting. SBP does not want to damage the college eligibility of the players.

durden_tyler
01-30-2009, 01:55 PM
PBA teams

“We will have exhibition games with PBA’s Burger King, Ginebra as preliminary games to the championship series,” Eala said.

Eala said he may be taking Slaughter out of the Partners Cup but this is actually an opportunity for him because he gets to play against tougher players.

Eala added that he is currently in negotiations to let the RP team play in the regular season of the PBA by October.

Just a heads up. There is a possibility that the game/s will be aired by Solar. Nothing is final, however.

The_Big_Cat
01-30-2009, 04:01 PM
Just a heads up. There is a possibility that the game/s will be aired by Solar. Nothing is final, however.


Make it a reality.

franz_inwurdz
01-30-2009, 05:06 PM
^kung sakali din, at night sa C/S 9 ;D

D_I_A
01-30-2009, 08:32 PM
^kung sakali din, at night sa C/S 9 ;D



hopefully it gets aired!

AnthonyServinio
02-03-2009, 11:11 PM
The National Developmental Pool defeated the Arellano University Chiefs in an exhibition game today (February 3) at the Arellano University Gym.

The game ended up tied after one period, 18-18, as Coach Rajko Toroman only had six players at his disposal -- Chris Tiu, Jayson Ballesteros, Rey Guevarra, RJ Jazul and Mac Baracael with Ryan Buenafe as the lone reserve.

JR Cawaling and Mark Barroca would later arrive fresh from their PBL Finals game but could not last long as they contacted cramps one after the other. Dylan Ababou was also present but did not play.

In the end, the Nationals won by a big margin.

D_I_A
02-04-2009, 12:18 AM
Whoa! That's great to hear!

aircanda
02-04-2009, 01:01 AM
The National Developmental Pool defeated the Arellano University Chiefs in an exhibition game today (February 3) at the Arellano University Gym.

The game ended up tied after one period, 18-18, as Coach Rajko Toroman only had six players at his disposal -- Chris Tiu, Jayson Ballesteros, Rey Guevarra, RJ Jazul and Mac Baracael with Ryan Buenafe as the lone reserve.

JR Cawaling and Mark Barroca would later arrive fresh from their PBL Finals game but could not last long as they contacted cramps one after the other. Dylan Ababou was also present but did not play.

In the end, the Nationals won by a big margin.


sir how was the team? ok ba chemistry nila?

CrossOver
02-04-2009, 07:57 AM
BURGER KING TESTS TOROMAN’S SBP TEAM
Inside Sports (http://www.insidesports.ph/)
Posted on 03 February 2009

Air 21, now carrying the banner of Burger King tests the mettle of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas team in an exhibition game at 5:00 p.m. Wednesday, prior to Game 4 of the All Filipino best-of-seven championship series between the Alaska Aces and Talk’N Text at the Araneta Coliseum.

Newly appointed Burger King coach Yeng Guiao who had earlier questioned the appointment of a foreign coach to handle the national pool under the SBP umbrella will come face-to-face with Serbian coach Rajo Toroman in their first encounter Wednesday. The coaching confrontation between the fiery Guiao and the Serbian mentor could well prove to be one of the highlights of the exhibition game.

The two teams are scheduled to meet again in a preliminary game on Friday before the SBP squad takes on Rain or Shine on Sunday provided there is a Game 6 in the PBA championship series.

Guiao didn’t appear to be too enthusiastic of playing the members of the national pool under Toroman since Burger King had practiced for barely a week and although he said the team is “doing okay” he doesn’t wish to risk being embarrassed.

Burger King team manager Mikee Romero wanted the youngsters in the SBP national pool to be tested even though Guiao’s squad is, according to the coach, “not quite ready.”

Barangay Ginebra which was requested to play the Toroman team in one game turned it down. Coach Jong Uichico who is on a brief vacation in Bangkok told us the team had hardly practiced and was currently going through a conditioning process before stepping up preparations for the import-reinforced conference.

Although a list of 18 names was submitted by the office of SBP executive secretary and former PBA Commissioner Noli Eala, www.insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports was informed that some players had declined to sign the contracts offered them by Eala.

Among those who have reportedly declined to sign the contracts which were initially branded as “onerous” were outstanding young talents Rico Maierhofer of La Salle , Ogie Menor of San Beda and Marcy Arellano of University of the East.

insulares
02-04-2009, 09:39 AM
Guiao didn’t appear to be too enthusiastic of playing the members of the national pool under Toroman since Burger King had practiced for barely a week and although he said the team is “doing okay” he doesn’t wish to risk being embarrassed.




Ayan...lakas-lakas tumira kay Toroman tapos dinadaga pala.* Natural lang na matakot si Guiao dahil may precedent na yang amateur team na tumalo sa kanyang pro team.* Recall that Liga Pilipinas champ Cebu Ninos beat Guiao's Red Bull team in an exhibition game last year.* Inexcusable!

franz_inwurdz
02-04-2009, 11:55 AM
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Guiao didn’t appear to be too enthusiastic of playing the members of the national pool under Toroman since Burger King had practiced for barely a week and although he said the team is “doing okay” he doesn’t wish to risk being embarrassed.

in the words of barney.... ha ha ha, hi hi hi, c'mon get silly and laugh with me.... :D :D :D

Jeon_Addict
02-04-2009, 03:17 PM
What's the score between arellano and rp team.

Mikhail
02-04-2009, 07:12 PM
Mark Barroca: We are all witnesses! :o

Pa-draft na yan! ;D

The_Big_Cat
02-04-2009, 07:21 PM
SMART-GILAS vs. Burger King
February 4, 2009.


SMART-GILAS (95)
Barroca 37, Al-Hussaini 17, Baracael 13, Jazul 9, Cawaling 7, Slaughter 4, Guevarra 4, Buenafe 2, Tiu 1, Ballesteros 0.

Burger King (95)
Santos 29, David 17, Baguio 17, Billones 8, Quinahan 6, Belga 6, Arboleda 4, Rodriguez 4, Villanueva 4, Cruz M., 0, Alonzo 0, Cruz C., 0.


QuarterScores: ( 19-28, 46-51, 71-70, 95-95 )

CrossOver
02-04-2009, 07:21 PM
What a game Mark Barocca player of the game w/ *34 points & nail tied score game on final 2 second (halimaw) :o
Score tied Smart Gilas 95 vs. Burger King 95 next friday me laban ulit sila live again w/ PBA Teams* ;D

tamarawz_14
02-04-2009, 08:52 PM
Mark Barroca: We are all witnesses!* :o

Pa-draft na yan!* ;D


hindi yata pwede magpa-draft si barroca unless tapos na yung contract niya sa SBP...... what a game for barroca sana hanggang UAAP ganyan ka din kagaling....

CrossOver
02-04-2009, 10:23 PM
Ayos panalo T&T vs. Alaska sure na may laro ang Toroman's team sa Sunday* ;D

tamarawz_14
02-04-2009, 10:46 PM
Ayos panalo T&T vs. Alaska sure na may laro ang Toroman's team sa Sunday* ;D


on friday against burger king ulet then on sunday against Rain or Shine...

CrossOver
02-04-2009, 11:20 PM
^Ganon ba let see if anong adjustment ang gagawin ng both team sa friday* ::) ;D

Dark Knight
02-04-2009, 11:22 PM
nilalagnat pa yata si Barocca kanina. 40 deg. daw. ;D :D

D_I_A
02-05-2009, 12:04 AM
lupet!hehe! ;D

Mikhail
02-05-2009, 12:40 AM
Great game earlier. First of all, I must say Air21/BK really looks different now without Ranidel de Ocampo/Canaleta (and Homer Se being injured) around. That height deficiency just might kill them when the next conference rolls on.

BK blitzed the Smart Gilas-RP Development Team during the start of the game with quick outlet passes. I guess they got a little culture-shocked at the pace of BK's play but Toroman adjusted the transition defense so they were able to close up the deficit during the second. SG took the lead in the third when Arwind Santos was resting. BG then took the lead back when Guiao put Baguio/David/Santos in the fourth and the two teams just exchanged blows until the end.

Barroca suprised BG's guards with his toughness. Last time I saw him play like this was during the tail-end of the UAAP second round last year before he got shackled by DLSU in the playoffs (I don't follow the PBL, but looking at some box scores it looks like he's doing well too in there). The presence of Al-Hussaini down low helped opened up Barroca's drives and mid-range shot. Here's to hoping FEU doesn't have a post presence like Rabeh next UAAP season. ;D

Rabeh didn't have a particularly good game, but he still got his numbers. He wasn't hitting his usual jump hooks and mid-range jumpers but he drew a lot of attention from BK. Quinahan, who leads the PBA in blocks had trouble against him and wasn't able to help much against drives from the guards. I like his aggresiveness and worked his butt off running on fastbreaks and defense. Except for that epic flop during the fourth. That was really silly.

Slaughter had that nice hook shot but looked lost, slow and was a bit soft. Hopefully he just had a bad game and will do better next game.

Arwind Santos was simply a matchup problem against the young'uns. Baracael was visibly frustrated guarding Santos but what can you do? This is where the team misses Menor and Maierhoffer. Magbago sana sila ng isip. :D

The next game against BK would be a much tougher challenge- with the pros being more game-shape and the player tendencies already scouted.

insulares
02-05-2009, 02:22 AM
Anybody know if FIBA (or PBA) rules were used?

CrossOver
02-05-2009, 02:23 AM
By Gabby G. Malagar
Updated February 05, 2009 12:00 AM

CEBU - University of Cebu Webmasters team manager Atty. Baldomero C. Estenzo announced yesterday that the UC management stood pat on its earlier decision not to loan its 6-foot-9 giant June Mar Fajardo to the Philippine squad or to any team in Manila, even as he requested some basketball officials to refrain from making lucrative offers so as not to distract its star center in his studies.

“We will let Fajardo graduate first. I want him to finish his education first because that is a must and give him time to mature before allowing him to go to Manila,” said Estenzo in a press conference yesterday at the Cebu Country Club.

Estenzo revealed that Nicanor F. Jorge and Bernie Atienza of the Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas (SBP) were inviting him for a breakfast meeting to talk on Fajardo but he politely declined the request.

Prior to that, SBP executive director Noli Eala also sent a text message to Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation, Inc. (CESAFI) commissioner Felix “Boy” O. Tiukinhoy, Jr. saying they want Fajardo to the national team.

Just the other day, Jorge again texted directly to Fajardo as well as to Webmasters coach Roel Gomez and one public official from Cebu, whose name Estenzo refused to identify.

Fajardo himself admitted he received numerous calls and messages pertaining to the offer but said: “Dili ko moadto sa Manila out of my loyalty sa UC. Dire ko nagsugod ug dire sad ko mohuman kay lain kaayo silay nag-train nako ug lain lang maoy makapahimulos.”

Estenzo discouraged some quarters from continuing to lure Fajardo with lofty overtures so that he will not lose his focus to play. He said that the future of Fajardo is at stake if he decides to be trained in Manila because he don’t think that they can outdo Mon Fernandez and Gomez in terms of polishing further the hoop skills of Fajardo.

“He will be trained here by Fernandez and Gomez. No doubt he will be a somebody to reckon with in Philippine basketball but give him time to mature,” Estenzo said.

Estenzo also disagreed on some claims that holding Fajardo is “unpatriotic and an act of selfishness” saying that they should not forget that UC lent Jonathan Canceran to the RP Youth Team under coach Joe Lipa a few years back.

The lack of courtesy, according to Estenzo, is always the cause of trouble in basketball. He asked why these people do not approach UC president Atty. Augusto W. Go directly if they are really interested in hiring Fajardo.

“Why disturb Fajardo when he is serious in his studies?” asked Estenzo.

The 19-year-old Fajardo, who hails from the municipality of Pinamungajan, is a third year Hotel and Restaurant Management (HRM) student.


The Freeman (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=437531&publicationSubCategoryId=110)

CrossOver
02-05-2009, 02:25 AM
Thursday, February 05, 2009

THE University of Cebu wants to stop people from “stalking” their prized center June Mar Fajardo.

Fajardo, the 6-foot-9 pivot man of the UC Webmasters, has been sought by the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas for the national basketball team developmental pool and UC wants the courtship to stop.

UC basketball team manager and athletic consultant Baldomero Estenzo yesterday called a press conference to announce that Fajardo will not be released by UC to serve the RP team.

“In UC, the athlete’s education is our priority. We consulted June Mar and his parents and decided to let him graduate first. We don’t want to sacrifice his education because of a stint with the RP team. He isn’t ready to play ‘big-time’ basketball yet. He needs more training, mentally and physically,” said Estenzo.

Fajardo, who is taking up Hotel and Restaurant Management and is still eligible for three years, said he does not know what the future holds for him in Manila so he would rather finish school.

“Dili ko ganahan muadto ug Manila. Wala ko kabalo unsay mahitabo nako didto. Mutiwas lang sa kog eskwela,” said Fajardo.

Fajardo’s move is in contrast with that of another Cebuano behemoth, Greg Slaughter of the University of the Visayas.

Academic work

Slaughter travels back and forth from Cebu to Manila to fulfill his duties with the RP team and his academics .

The UC officials decided to make the announcement because they feel hassled by all the people trying to contact Fajardo.

“They were calling everyone, from coaches of others schools, to councilors to help urge Fajardo to join the RP team. It is bothering him (Fajardo) already and he can no loner concentrate on his schoolwork and practice,” said Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation Inc. (Cesafi) commissioner Felix Tiukinhoy.

“As far as we are concerned at the Cesafi, we are not stopping any player from joining. But the decision is always with the player and the school,” said Tiukinhoy.

The RP developmental team is coached by Serbian Rajko Toroman and is training for several international competitions.
Despite this, Estenzo still feels that Fajardo will not be missing out on a lot.

“In Manila, wala kay makuha except dili ka ka-graduate. He doesn’t need to go to Manila to get proper training. He can have that here with (UC head coach Rhoel) Gomez and (Ramon) Fernandez. I don’t think (Rajko) Toroman can train him any better than what these two are already doing,” said Estenzo.


Sun Star Cebu (http://www2.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2009/02/05/sports/uc.to.sbp.stay.away.html)

CrossOver
02-05-2009, 02:27 AM
Anybody know if FIBA (or PBA) rules were used?


PBA rules ang gamit nun laban nila sa Burger King

CrossOver
02-05-2009, 02:37 AM
“Dili ko moadto sa Manila out of my loyalty sa UC. Dire ko nagsugod ug dire sad ko mohuman kay lain kaayo silay nag-train nako ug lain lang maoy makapahimulos.”


“Dili ko ganahan muadto ug Manila. Wala ko kabalo unsay mahitabo nako didto. Mutiwas lang sa kog eskwela,”

Our fellow Cebuano member, can you translate this quote.* ;D

Jeon_Addict
02-05-2009, 07:23 AM
I was at the araneta yesterday. What surprised me is Smart Gilas' impeccable free throw shooting... Barroca's too (I think he didn't missed a single free throw), if i'm not mistaken they only missed 3 or 4 but i'm not sure. Those missed free throws are from Rabeh. Also Marc Barocca tends to dribble the ball a lot instead of passing the ball to his team mates, but he's really skilled. He OWNED the guards of BK. Maybe they were overwhelmed with his speed and ability. But tomorrow he will be a marked man. I hope that Jazul will have the guts to shoot more 3s. I think all of his pts. came from the rainbow arc. I was impressed with Baracael, and I tell you Slaughter will improve after a year or so with Toroman at the helm.

a_ron
02-05-2009, 09:12 AM
“Dili ko moadto sa Manila out of my loyalty sa UC. Dire ko nagsugod ug dire sad ko mohuman kay lain kaayo silay nag-train nako ug lain lang maoy makapahimulos.”


“Dili ko ganahan muadto ug Manila. Wala ko kabalo unsay mahitabo nako didto. Mutiwas lang sa kog eskwela,”

Our fellow Cebuano member, can you translate this quote.* ;D



here is the translation:

I will not go to Manila out of my loyalty to University of Cebu. I Started here and i will finish here because it is not appopriate that they are the one who trains me and others will benefit.

I dont like to go to Manila. I dont know what will happen to me there.I will just finish my studies.

insulares
02-05-2009, 09:38 AM
PBA rules ang gamit nun laban nila sa Burger King


Thanks for the heads-up, Crossover.* Congrats to Toroman & his players...husay.

CrossOver
02-05-2009, 11:32 AM
Thanks for the heads-up, Crossover.* Congrats to Toroman & his players...husay.


No problemo* :D



here is the translation:

I will not go to Manila out of my loyalty to University of Cebu. I Started here and i will finish here because it is not appopriate* that they are the one who trains me and others will benefit.

I dont like to go to Manila. I dont know what will happen to me there.I will just finish my studies.


Thanks a_ron* :D

Schortsanitis
02-05-2009, 12:31 PM
http://www.philstar.com/images/logo_Freeman.gif

UC won't loan Fajardo to RP Team
By Gabby G. Malagar Updated February 05, 2009 12:00 AM

CEBU - University of Cebu Webmasters team manager Atty. Baldomero C. Estenzo announced yesterday that the UC management stood pat on its earlier decision not to loan its 6-foot-9 giant June Mar Fajardo to the Philippine squad or to any team in Manila, even as he requested some basketball officials to refrain from making lucrative offers so as not to distract its star center in his studies.

I just find it so hypocritical for UC to keep using the word "education" for not lending Junmar to the NT, as if most people would actually believe that.

Its obvious that UC wants to keep Fajardo to try to get make a run at the CESAFI title.

As for Fernandez polishing his skills .... ow c'mon. Those guys have good basketball credentials, but ultimately it takes more exposure against high level competition that will polish Fajardo's skills.

By the time Fajardo graduates, the kid would be relatively old already, and acquired bad habits that will take more years to correct to make him ready for the PBA.

Anyway, time will tell, so when he finally graduates, we'll see how he'll turn up in the PBL and in the PBA.

CrossOver
02-05-2009, 03:26 PM
I just find it so hypocritical for UC to keep using the word "education" for not lending Junmar to the NT, as if most people would actually believe that.*

Its obvious that UC wants to keep Fajardo to try to get make a run at the CESAFI title.*

As for Fernandez polishing his skills .... ow c'mon.* Those guys have good basketball credentials, but ultimately it takes more exposure against high level competition that will polish Fajardo's skills.

By the time Fajardo graduates, the kid would be relatively old already, and acquired bad habits that will take more years to correct to make him ready for the PBA.*

Anyway, time will tell, so when he finally graduates, we'll see how he'll turn up in the PBL and in the PBA.

At that time nilalamon na siya ni Greg Slaughter inside paint ;D Mr. Junmar Fajardo mukang na corrupt ng UC ang mind mo, I believe na mas maganda ang training na makukuha mo sa RP Team kesa sa training mo diyan sa UC wag mong i-alibi na because of your education blah blah blah kaya ayaw mong sumali sa RP Team.* Alam ng nakakarami na SBP assured na 1st priority nila sa RP pool is their education mukang ni hindi mo nga sila naka-usap ah or ayaw ng UC na kausapin mo sila* ::)

sharky
02-05-2009, 03:43 PM
“Dili ko moadto sa Manila out of my loyalty sa UC. Dire ko nagsugod ug dire sad ko mohuman kay lain kaayo silay nag-train nako ug lain lang maoy makapahimulos.”


“Dili ko ganahan muadto ug Manila. Wala ko kabalo unsay mahitabo nako didto. Mutiwas lang sa kog eskwela,”

Our fellow Cebuano member, can you translate this quote.* ;D



here is the translation:

I will not go to Manila out of my loyalty to University of Cebu. I Started here and i will finish here because it is not appopriate* that they are the one who trains me and others will benefit.

I dont like to go to Manila. I dont know what will happen to me there.I will just finish my studies.



that's just stupid.. what did he mean when he said that others will benefit? the Philippines!!! he should be charged with treason. ;)

CrossOver
02-05-2009, 04:01 PM
that's just stupid.. what did he mean when he said that others will benefit? the Philippines!!! he should be charged with treason.* ;)


I believe na iyan ang sinasabi ng head ng UC sa kanya kino-corrupt ang utak, basketbolista ang bata sigurado ko na pinapangarap din niya na mapabilang sa RP Team w/c I believe isa sa*mga pangarap ng basketbolistang kabataan.

digitalsuperman
02-05-2009, 07:10 PM
I'm from UC and i don't like their statements..

first its for the country and fajardo said those statements because he was influenced. the fact that UC would'nt want to load junmar to the RP Team is because their basketball campaign would be hurt... and with that kind of attitude no wonder slaughter played for UV instead of UC. and also with that attitude, UC will never have a shot at championship.
im just saddened by the potential of junmar gone to waste because of the egotistical people..

aircanda
02-06-2009, 12:06 AM
wow 40 pts. by Barroca.. awesome, pero maganda ba to para sa team? di ba dapat balanced ang scoring ng team? pag na-scout na siya ng other opponents.. di ba delikado na ang team naten nian?

D_I_A
02-06-2009, 12:56 AM
I just find it so hypocritical for UC to keep using the word "education" for not lending Junmar to the NT, as if most people would actually believe that.*

Its obvious that UC wants to keep Fajardo to try to get make a run at the CESAFI title.*

As for Fernandez polishing his skills .... ow c'mon.* Those guys have good basketball credentials, but ultimately it takes more exposure against high level competition that will polish Fajardo's skills.

By the time Fajardo graduates, the kid would be relatively old already, and acquired bad habits that will take more years to correct to make him ready for the PBA.*

Anyway, time will tell, so when he finally graduates, we'll see how he'll turn up in the PBL and in the PBA.

At that time nilalamon na siya ni Greg Slaughter inside paint ;D Mr. Junmar Fajardo mukang na corrupt ng UC ang mind mo, I believe na mas maganda ang training na makukuha mo sa RP Team kesa sa training mo diyan sa UC wag mong i-alibi na because of your education blah blah blah kaya ayaw mong sumali sa RP Team.* Alam ng nakakarami na SBP assured na 1st priority nila sa RP pool is their education mukang ni hindi mo nga sila naka-usap ah or ayaw ng UC na kausapin mo sila* ::)



di ko alam kung if this is a sign of stupidity or playing dumb..

wag mong sayangin opportunity..eto na ang first class training..talagang swapangan ang labanan sa mga collegiate leagues. sana wag na kayong gumayang taga Cebu sa mga NCR leagues para at least may malaking pagkakaiba sa prinsipyo ang mga taga probinsya kaysa sa mga taga NCR na puro pera pera lang ang alam at di bayan ang iniisip.

sayang ka Junmar!

Kid Cubao
02-06-2009, 05:48 AM
obviously junmar fajardo was already brainwashed by the UC coaching staff to become just like them--a big man with a small mind. i really don't know how they did it, but the fact that junmar implied that his life would be in danger if he goes to the big city tells a lot on how they took full advantage of this man-child.

digitalsuperman
02-06-2009, 06:27 AM
“Dili ko moadto sa Manila out of my loyalty sa UC. Dire ko nagsugod ug dire sad ko mohuman kay lain kaayo silay nag-train nako ug lain lang maoy makapahimulos.”


“Dili ko ganahan muadto ug Manila. Wala ko kabalo unsay mahitabo nako didto. Mutiwas lang sa kog eskwela,”



i wish whoever influenced junemar of this statement would get a heart attack and be a vegetable forever. what kind of a sick mind would influence a talented guy to not play for the benefit of the country. with the training that fajardo will get from the national team, UC will benefit it all because he can still play with UC during cesafi..not that they would become champioin because i highly doubt that but man he's such a waste..

D_I_A
02-06-2009, 09:41 AM
“Dili ko moadto sa Manila out of my loyalty sa UC. Dire ko nagsugod ug dire sad ko mohuman kay lain kaayo silay nag-train nako ug lain lang maoy makapahimulos.”


“Dili ko ganahan muadto ug Manila. Wala ko kabalo unsay mahitabo nako didto. Mutiwas lang sa kog eskwela,”



i wish whoever influenced junemar of this statement would get a heart attack and be a vegetable forever. what kind of a sick mind would influence a talented guy to not play for the benefit of the country. with the training that fajardo will get from the national team, UC will benefit it all because he can still play with UC during cesafi..not that they would become champioin because i highly doubt that but man he's such a waste..




naku malamang i-bombard ng indignation emails ang UC niyan dahil sa kagalingan nilang magisip at mangimpluwensya ng player nila..tsk!tsk!

thadzonline
02-06-2009, 10:26 AM
My apologies for having been away too long in this forum. I feel sad that people are making biased, unfounded judgments and attacking the character of Junemar Fajardo whom I know to be a soft-spoken, well-meaning guy. These hatred some people have for Fajardo are made without even knowing where Junemar comes from. You see, this kid was a poor guy out of high school and wanted to go to school but did not have the means to do so. He was not a varsity high school player and his sport was volleyball in rural Pinamungajan, Cebu. He tried out for the USPF basketball squad, then one of the perennial semifinalists in Cebu college basketball. Fajardo did not make the grade at USPF. It was UC who took a chance on him after his parents had to plead UC team manager Atty. Baldomero Estenzo. It was not so much that UC wanted him but moreso because his folks pleaded so he can study. So you can see here how much gratitude JF has for UC because if it were not for them God knows he could be out of school now tilling farms in Pinamungajan. For one who has followed Cebu basketball, JF wasn't exactly the player he is now as he hardly saw action on court during his first year. One also has to admire what UC has done to improve Fajardo's game year after year(special mention UC asst. coach Caleb Gawangon), tournament after tournament. If it were not for team record, JF would have been hands down choice for CeSAFI 2008 MVP. JF was a joy to watch and I always wanted to watch him play coz he seems to have something new in his arsenal each game he played. Lately, he has already developed his passing skills especially off the double- or triple-teams.

In fairness to UC officials' statement about JF getting enough able training while staying in Cebu, let me cite GS' case. In the ongoing Partners Cup, I saw both of them play. I watched GS because I wanted to know how much improvement he made. While a few games may not be a confident gauge, I haven't seen much novelty in Slaughter's game while Fajardo has become more deadly: more speed, higher vertical leap, stronger, developed passing skills.

The one thing also not clear is how SBP plans to make sure JF does not miss out a lot on his studies. This was the very reason why I have been agreeable to that CeSAFI rules provision that members of the NT pool should not have been allowed to play for their school teams while they are training with the NT because it affects th player's performance in both teams plus it will take a toll on one's academic pursuits. Greg Slaughter has now realized this and have taken a leave of absence from the UV games in the Partners Cup.

To call JF unpatriotic is sad when all he wanted to do was do something for his future, and while he may not make a positive contribution to the basketball NT now, there are gazillion ways where he can make us proud such as doing good in his studies and be good role model for the youth by taking his studies seriously. While I wanted him to play for the NT as much as everyone else does, let us not get carried away by blind passion for the sport we so love. Instead, let us keep telling the SBP to improve more in its programs and look for viable solutions to problems at hand such as the issues raised not just by UC and Fajardo but from a lot of other corners as well. You see, while SBP is doing good so far, I strongly feel, a lot more needs to be done, and I say a lot more could have also been done by now except that there is too much politics, too much disregard for the welfare of stakeholders(i.e. players, member organizations, etc.). Let us not be blinded by our hatred for BAP and in the process lose sight of what we should hold SBP accountable for.

Mateen Cleaves
02-06-2009, 10:46 AM
Well said. It is a free country after all. He has every right to play where he wants to play.

I wonder if we are showing a little bit of our Manila bias here just because Fajardo is some "provincial" prospect. What is the difference between Fajardo's case and those of Maierhoffer, Menor, Arellano, et. al? Why haven't we ganged up on those players in the same way that we seem to be piling on Mr. Fajardo?

LION
02-06-2009, 11:38 AM
In the case of Ogie, he wants to serve the country but he finds the terms of the contract drafted by SBP too onerous. He remains to be part of the pool though.

Also, JF's case is similar to Ogie. Ogie Menor is basically the sole bread winner of the family so he's torn between flag and family.

I think SBP needs to reconsider the provisions of the contract.

onggok
02-06-2009, 11:58 AM
kaya nga habang maaga kunin na lahat ng matatangkad at may potential players sa provinces. That is why I disagreed for what SBP did for their under-13 and under-16 because most of their from NCR, and I know they missed a lot good players from the provinces. The SBP will regret this because school like UC won't lent their player to National team.

JonarSabilano
02-06-2009, 12:46 PM
kaya nga habang maaga kunin na lahat ng matatangkad* at may potential players sa provinces. That is why I disagreed for what SBP did for their under-13 and under-16 because most of their from NCR, and I know they missed a lot good players from the provinces. The SBP will regret this because school like UC won't lent their player to National team.


Don't you think the parents of the provincial kids are the ones holding their children back? Mabuti sana kung kontrolado ng SBP ang lahat. The parents may have not even let their children try out in the first place. These are kids under legal age; if I was a parent, I will also have second thoughts about sending my children to Manila if I don't know anyone there.

Kid Cubao
02-06-2009, 12:46 PM
well, we are showing a bit of the manila bias here for good reason: the best coaches are based in manila, the best competition is found here in manila, and if you really want to make it big, you really have to go to manila.

ibang kaso yung SBP contractual obligations that some players find too onerous. at least they had the good sense to go over the document's provisions including the fine print before finally deciding no, it'll take too much of my time for school and other things.

i have to admit that i find junmar's refusal puzzling and frustrating, in the sense that he seemingly has no guts nor compunction to leave his comfort zone for the bigger and tougher competition outside cebu. oo, mahirap talaga sa simula, but ask any player worth his salt these days and he'll inevitably say that making that big jump to the UAAP or the NCAA was the biggest and ultimately most rewarding decision he has made in his life.

another thing i find puzzling: among the reasons cited by junmar is that the national team commitment would be a hindrance to his college studies. i see. so does that mean that his commitment to the cebu semi-pro leagues does not pose any hindrance given that he is playing practically year-round?

unsolicited advice to junmar: pare, bago ka tumanggi sa bigas, alamin mo muna nang mabuti kung anong klaseng bigas ang inaalok sa yo.

nardy
02-06-2009, 04:13 PM
kaya nga habang maaga kunin na lahat ng matatangkad* at may potential players sa provinces. That is why I disagreed for what SBP did for their under-13 and under-16 because most of their from NCR, and I know they missed a lot good players from the provinces. The SBP will regret this because school like UC won't lent their player to National team.


the problem is actually not a problem .... contrary to what you said that the SBP concemntrated on NCR talents alone. Mon Fernandez who is in charge of getting the talents in Visayas and Mindanao is the witness on how serious the SBP in getting the young talents from the provinces for the U13 and U16. But it is the parents decision not to let their children go, they indicated that they are too young to be away from their family for such a long period of time. The training firstly requires them to be at Manila first then after they go out of the country. If you do not know yet the U16 pool is soon going to Australia to undergo training under AIS for a several months before the team embarks to several tournaments including the SEABA Qualifyers and the FIBA-Asia itself. As for the U13 team, they would soon be living for a tournament in Singapore then are set to fly to Florida, USA to compete in tournaments there. Aside from being away for their families, the players would be forced to miss a big chunk of the coming school year. It is in our Filipino culture that parents are overprotective of their kids. Yes there a big number of players who are sons of former players or coaches but it is because they are the ones who are used to having lives on being away from their families.

Now tell me, how do you solve the problem of the Provincial Moms not wanting their sons to be away from their families. It was their choice in not joining the Youth teams.

Mateen Cleaves
02-06-2009, 06:41 PM
well, we are showing a bit of the manila bias here for good reason: the best coaches are based in manila, the best competition is found here in manila, and if you really want to make it big, you really have to go to manila.

i have to admit that i find junmar's refusal puzzling and frustrating, in the sense that he seemingly has no guts nor compunction to leave his comfort zone for the bigger and tougher competition outside cebu. oo, mahirap talaga sa simula, but ask any player worth his salt these days and he'll inevitably say that making that big jump to the UAAP or the NCAA was the biggest and ultimately most rewarding decision he has made in his life.

another thing i find puzzling: among the reasons cited by junmar is that the national team commitment would be a hindrance to his college studies. i see. so does that mean that his commitment to the cebu semi-pro leagues does not pose any hindrance given that he is playing practically year-round?


If you want to make it big in Philippine basketball, you go to Manila. But where does it say that he has to do it now ... or else? I'd be willing to bet that PBL teams will still be knocking on his door as soon as he says that he's ready to take that flight. If or when he proves himself in the PBL, then it will soon be the bigger league calling. Hontiveros, Lanete, Reynel Hugnatan, et. al. haven't turned out too bad, have they?

It's easier to mix school with commercial ball if they're in the same city. UAAP stars play in the PBL because it's in Metro Manila. But would they still try to juggle school and PBL if the latter were in Cebu? Similarly, if Toroman decided to pitch camp in Cebu and, say, Ryan Buenafe declined. Citing concerns about the effect on his studies. Would you also be cynical about the excuse? Oops. Bad analogy.... I think. ::)

Kid Cubao
02-06-2009, 07:27 PM
yes, the time is now. we don't want another samigue eman in the making, or a big man who got stunted in his development for his initial reluctance to play really big-time ball and get specialized coaching until it's a tad too late. after being drafted by san miguel, nasan na sya ngayon? while guys like hontiveros, lanete, and hugnatan jumped on the first chance they got to play in manila, junmar continues to bide his time, content on letting others make decisions for him. now if people think that's fine, ok no problem. pero umaandar ang metro...

bchoter
02-06-2009, 08:15 PM
Was it really Junmar who made the decision to stay in Cebu?

Schortsanitis
02-06-2009, 09:38 PM
yes, the time is now. we don't want another samigue eman in the making, or a big man who got stunted in his development for his initial reluctance to play really big-time ball and get specialized coaching until it's a tad too late. after being drafted by san miguel, nasan na sya ngayon? while guys like hontiveros, lanete, and hugnatan jumped on the first chance they got to play in manila, junmar continues to bide his time, content on letting others make decisions for him. now if people think that's fine, ok no problem. pero umaandar ang metro...


I agree with this.

While JF is there in Cebu, you see a lot of praise about how good he is, how awesome his game is, etc. while playing there.

By the time he gets to Manila, he would be relatively old already, and worst with bad habits that will likely take years of playing in the PBL to undo, if ever they can be undone.

Sam Eman was a 6'8", athletic player out there in the South. By the time he came here, he suddenly found himself not as dominating in the PBL as he was in the South, so he has had to learn new things, undo bad habits, etc. By the time he ended up in the PBA, he was still a work in progress. At 25. He is now 26 years old or so, and while he has shown flashes of brilliance on offense, his rebounding and shotblocking were still a work in progress. At 26.

You wonder if he will ever get to within standards of the PBA. Even if he does, how many years of productive service can he give the league? Four years? Five years?

Our big men are wasting off in mediocre leagues, I tell you.

CrossOver
02-06-2009, 09:57 PM
yes, the time is now. we don't want another samigue eman in the making, or a big man who got stunted in his development for his initial reluctance to play really big-time ball and get specialized coaching until it's a tad too late. after being drafted by san miguel, nasan na sya ngayon? while guys like hontiveros, lanete, and hugnatan jumped on the first chance they got to play in manila, junmar continues to bide his time, content on letting others make decisions for him. now if people think that's fine, ok no problem. pero umaandar ang metro...


At kaya medyo napupuruhan si Junemar compare sa ibang basketball talent it's because ng rare hight niya kelangan ng RP Team ng height if me potensyal nga ang bata kelangan ng sumailalim sa matinding training na SBP can really provide. Taga niyo sa bato malaki lalo i-improve nitong batang ito if magbabago lang ang isip ng mga bumubulong sa kanya. Tama ka simulan na ngayon bago mahuli lahat...

amdgc82
02-06-2009, 10:14 PM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20090207spo1.html

‘ONE-SIDED DEAL’
3 aces junk SBP contract, nix RP team
By Julius Manicad
02/07/2009

Not everyone’s buying the lucrative contract being dangled by the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) to some amateur standouts.

Three marquee players have formally rejected the juicy offer tendered by SBP executive director Noli Eala, claiming some provisions stipulated in the contract are “one-sided.”

A highly-reliable source yesterday said Rico Maierhofer, Ogie Menor and Marcy Arellano refused to seal a long-term deal with SBP, foregoing a rare chance to be part of the national development pool, gain international exposure and train under the watchful eyes of prized Serbian mentor Rajko Toroman.

The troika could have been major pieces in the country’s championship puzzle, but the source said they questioned some terms in the contract, especially the provision stipulating that only “reasonable hospitalization” would be shouldered by the SBP should they sustain an injury.

Menor also reasoned his family advised him not to join the team after the basketball career of his elder brother, a former member of the National Team, did not prosper.

De La Salle hotshot JV Casio was also initially doubtful, fearing that signing a contract might just put his budding professional career in peril. Fortunately, he made a last-minute change of heart and formally joined the team “for the sake of flag and country.”

Eala confirmed that the three standouts are no longer part of the development pool which is being groomed to bring the country back to the world basketball map. They, in fact, were not around when the Nationals forged a 95-all decision in an exhibition game with Burger King (formerly Air21) last Wednesday.

With the departure of Maierhofer, Menor and Arellano, Eala said they are down to a 13-man lineup focused on multi-talented big men Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Gregory Slaughter and vastly-improved playmaker Mark Barroca, who erupted for 37 points in their previous game.

“As I said, we’re not forcing anyone to sign,” Eala told Tribune. “We still have enough players who are willing to dedicate themselves to play for flag and country. Since our system is not personality-based, we’re not really looking for superstars.”

SBP, through its president Manny Pangilinan, has been dangling a very generous amount that could go as high as P6.4 million in three years for young players who would decide to don the national colors.

The SBP is willing to spend a total of P14 million in the first year, P24 million in the second year and P36 million in the third year for players’ salary to secure an elusive berth in the 2012 London Olympics.

“The SBP program has already been in place, we are expecting to be as competitive as a PBA team in eight months,” Eala said. “We are undaunted. Nothing could stop us now, even the loss of the three (players).”

D_I_A
02-06-2009, 11:13 PM
My apologies for having been away too long in this forum. I feel sad that people are making biased, unfounded judgments and attacking the character of Junemar Fajardo whom I know to be a soft-spoken, well-meaning guy. These hatred some people have for Fajardo are made without even knowing where Junemar comes from. You see, this kid was a poor guy out of high school and wanted to go to school but did not have the means to do so. He was not a varsity high school player and his sport was volleyball in rural Pinamungajan, Cebu. He tried out for the USPF basketball squad, then one of the perennial semifinalists in Cebu college basketball. Fajardo did not make the grade at USPF. It was UC who took a chance on him after his parents had to plead UC team manager Atty. Baldomero Estenzo. It was not so much that UC wanted him but moreso because his folks pleaded so he can study. So you can see here how much gratitude JF has for UC because if it were not for them God knows he could be out of school now tilling farms in Pinamungajan. For one who has followed Cebu basketball, JF wasn't exactly the player he is now as he hardly saw action on court during his first year. One also has to admire what UC has done to improve Fajardo's game year after year(special mention UC asst. coach Caleb Gawangon), tournament after tournament. If it were not for team record, JF would have been hands down choice for CeSAFI 2008 MVP. JF was a joy to watch and I always wanted to watch him play coz he seems to have something new in his arsenal each game he played. Lately, he has already developed his passing skills especially off the double- or triple-teams.

In fairness to UC officials' statement about JF getting enough able training while staying in Cebu, let me cite GS' case. In the ongoing Partners Cup, I saw both of them play. I watched GS because I wanted to know how much improvement he made. While a few games may not be a confident gauge, I haven't seen much novelty in Slaughter's game while Fajardo has become more deadly: more speed, higher vertical leap, stronger, developed passing skills.

The one thing also not clear is how SBP plans to make sure JF does not miss out a lot on his studies. This was the very reason why I have been agreeable to that CeSAFI rules provision that members of the NT pool should not have been allowed to play for their school teams while they are training with the NT because it affects th player's performance in both teams plus it will take a toll on one's academic pursuits. Greg Slaughter has now realized this and have taken a leave of absence from the UV games in the Partners Cup.

To call JF unpatriotic is sad when all he wanted to do was do something for his future, and while he may not make a positive contribution to the basketball NT now, there are gazillion ways where he can make us proud such as doing good in his studies and be good role model for the youth by taking his studies seriously. While I wanted him to play for the NT as much as everyone else does, let us not get carried away by blind passion for the sport we so love. Instead, let us keep telling the SBP to improve more in its programs and look for viable solutions to problems at hand such as the issues raised not just by UC and Fajardo but from a lot of other corners as well. You see, while SBP is doing good so far, I strongly feel, a lot more needs to be done, and I say a lot more could have also been done by now except that there is too much politics, too much disregard for the welfare of stakeholders(i.e. players, member organizations, etc.). Let us not be blinded by our hatred for BAP and in the process lose sight of what we should hold SBP accountable for.


well sir thadz, you can't blame if we're puzzled with JF's decision worse if there are comments made against him. the man has great potential, but at the end of the day, his decision still matters, sadly he opted to stay there in Cebu.

as for the BAP, it's a thing of the past now, although the its specter continues to haunt Philippine basketball. maybe all us here are just too hopeful and expecting much with the future of Philippine basketball like JF and G.Slaughter.

it's really hard to meet player's individualistic needs vis-a-vis our country's national basketball vision.

it's a clash of interests and intersecting ambitions.

D_I_A
02-06-2009, 11:27 PM
‘ONE-SIDED DEAL’

3 aces junk SBP contract, nix RP team

By Julius Manicad
Daily Tribune
02/07/2009

Not everyone’s buying the lucrative contract being dangled by the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) to some amateur standouts.

Three marquee players have formally rejected the juicy offer tendered by SBP executive director Noli Eala, claiming some provisions stipulated in the contract are “one-sided.”

A highly-reliable source yesterday said Rico Maierhofer, Ogie Menor and Marcy Arellano refused to seal a long-term deal with SBP, foregoing a rare chance to be part of the national development pool, gain international exposure and train under the watchful eyes of prized Serbian mentor Rajko Toroman.

The troika could have been major pieces in the country’s championship puzzle, but the source said they questioned some terms in the contract, especially the provision stipulating that only “reasonable hospitalization” would be shouldered by the SBP should they sustain an injury.

Menor also reasoned his family advised him not to join the team after the basketball career of his elder brother, a former member of the National Team, did not prosper.

De La Salle hotshot JV Casio was also initially doubtful, fearing that signing a contract might just put his budding professional career in peril. Fortunately, he made a last-minute change of heart and formally joined the team “for the sake of flag and country.”

Eala confirmed that the three standouts are no longer part of the development pool which is being groomed to bring the country back to the world basketball map. They, in fact, were not around when the Nationals forged a 95-all decision in an exhibition game with Burger King (formerly Air21) last Wednesday.

With the departure of Maierhofer, Menor and Arellano, Eala said they are down to a 13-man lineup focused on multi-talented big men Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Gregory Slaughter and vastly-improved playmaker Mark Barroca, who erupted for 37 points in their previous game.

“As I said, we’re not forcing anyone to sign,” Eala told Tribune. “We still have enough players who are willing to dedicate themselves to play for flag and country. Since our system is not personality-based, we’re not really looking for superstars.”

SBP, through its president Manny Pangilinan, has been dangling a very generous amount that could go as high as P6.4 million in three years for young players who would decide to don the national colors.

The SBP is willing to spend a total of P14 million in the first year, P24 million in the second year and P36 million in the third year for players’ salary to secure an elusive berth in the 2012 London Olympics.

“The SBP program has already been in place, we are expecting to be as competitive as a PBA team in eight months,” Eala said. “We are undaunted. Nothing could stop us now, even the loss of the three (players).”

pachador
02-07-2009, 09:31 AM
all i can say is that you must do those things for which you want to be remembered as. life is not fair and sometimes we have to make sacrifices we do not like. if i were selected to the national team pool, i would jump at it specially because i will be paid anyway. why? no matter what people say, if you dont join, the newspapers already judged you harshly and you will have a hard time living that down when you are old and retired. you children and descendants will always wonder , why did grandpa not join the national team? of course, one can always come up with good excuses, but let me tell you, after all is said and done, all the money in the world will not replace going down in history as being a member of the national team. those young players who refused to play will regret it one day when they are in their retirement years. mark my words !!!

oca
02-07-2009, 10:06 AM
I hope some knowledgeable people can share the reason/s of EACH player, Rico, Ogie and Marcy, for not signing.

Sa unang pagbasa, and with most of us being frustrated ballers who once dreamed of playing on the big stage, it is not good press at all reading this.

Pero, maaaring may dahilan.

I remember the likes of Lastimosa and Ampalayo declining the invitation of Ron Jacobs to join the NCC squad. Many thought, then, it was wrong. But they went on to have good careers and Jojo even had 2 credible stints with the NT. One with Lipa and the other with the Cone coached teams. We never knew why they declined, but all went well for everyone.

If the 3 will go on to the PBA, they still have a chance for the NT. Maybe not as big a chance as they have now, but it is both probable and possible.

But, I really wish someone can share some inside info.

danny
02-07-2009, 10:36 AM
You want to serve flag and country? Join any anti-imperialist league. Nationalism without any hint of anti-imperialism is a sham. The nationalist card has always been the last refuge of scoundrels...but that's me.

I just hope the middle class intellegensia, especially the media, will drop the "flag and country" angle in sports.

Continue...

Kid Cubao
02-07-2009, 11:16 AM
ang sa akin, ang mahalaga'y pinag-isipan munang mabuti ang alok na mapabilang sa national team bago magpapasya. sa kaso nina ogie, rico, at marcy, it was clear that they gave it much thought before declining the invitation; in the same manner, JV casio undertook some soul-searching time before finally accepting it.

m_14
02-07-2009, 11:20 AM
ano balita sa game nila kahapon?

CrossOver
02-07-2009, 01:02 PM
Hindi natuloy ang laban kahapon, siguro gawa ng PBL finals or pwedeng iniiwasan ding ma over fatigue ang mga player. Hopefully bukas matuloy na ulit ang laban.

pachador
02-07-2009, 01:05 PM
30 or 40 years from now, what will these players have to say to his grandkids as an accomplishment* ? *history as recorded in the newspapers will shape people's opinions several generations from now. all i am saying is the reality. the newspapers have already started recording the decisions of these players.

when you are a public figure like pacquiao or a very good basketball player, you are under the microscope ,and you have to make decisions sometimes that are not only for your good but also for the public good. if you shirk from making decisions for the greater good and only put yourself first then be prepared to accept the consequences 10 , 20 or 30 years from now as historians will judge based on ano pa? their research into old newspaper accounts of your decisions decades ago. life is not fair whether your a nobody or a somebody.

digitalsuperman
02-07-2009, 02:54 PM
its okay... those three doesn't represent basketball. life must go on..and we must continue to support the RP-NT.

we don't need superstars!

The_Big_Cat
02-07-2009, 05:38 PM
its okay... those three doesn't represent basketball. life must go on..and we must continue to support the RP-NT.

we don't need superstars!


Superstars? They are megastars in their own right.* ;D

Oge Menor was a member of the 2004 RP Youth team and was the MVP of the 2004 SEABA Youth championships.
He won 3 NCAA Juniors titles with the Red Cubs from 2002, 2003 & 2004. Was the 2004 NCAA Jrs MVP
He also won 3 NCAA Seniors titles from 2006, 2007 & 2008 with the Red Lions and was the 2007 NCAA Srs Finals MVP.
Two 3-peats for Menor. One in HS and one in college. Can you think of any player that has accomplished that?

"Been there, done that."

Let's not forget that come May, the SBP will add several Fil-Foreign players to the developmental squad..... and the naturalized player.

Mateen Cleaves
02-07-2009, 07:41 PM
its okay... those three doesn't represent basketball. life must go on..and we must continue to support the RP-NT.

we don't need superstars!


If there are no superstars on the team, then why do they have different contracts?

Dark Knight
02-07-2009, 09:46 PM
You want to serve flag and country? Join any anti-imperialist league. Nationalism without any hint of anti-imperialism is a sham. The nationalist card* has always been the last refuge of scoundrels...but that's me.

I just hope the middle class intellegensia, especially the media,* *will drop the* "flag and country" angle in sports.

Continue...


Ditto..........we share the same sentiment.

digitalsuperman
02-07-2009, 11:47 PM
its okay... those three doesn't represent basketball. life must go on..and we must continue to support the RP-NT.

we don't need superstars!


If there are no superstars on the team, then why do they have different contracts?
maybe they have different market value...

D_I_A
02-08-2009, 01:41 AM
You want to serve flag and country? Join any anti-imperialist league. Nationalism without any hint of anti-imperialism is a sham. The nationalist card* has always been the last refuge of scoundrels...but that's me.

I just hope the middle class intellegensia, especially the media,* *will drop the* "flag and country" angle in sports.

Continue...


come on dude, it's not an issue of inductive or deductive logic here it's just plain serving your country or having a "me-first" attiitude. ;)

MonL
02-08-2009, 02:38 AM
30 or 40 years from now, what will these players have to say to his grandkids as an accomplishment* ?* history as recorded in the newspapers will shape people's opinions several generations from now. all i am saying is the reality. the newspapers have already started recording the decisions of these players.

when you are a public figure like pacquiao or a very good basketball player, you are under the microscope ,and you have to make decisions sometimes that* are not only for your good but also for the public good. if you shirk from making decisions for the greater good and only put yourself first then be prepared to accept the consequences 10 , 20 or 30 years from now* as historians will judge based on ano pa? their research into old newspaper accounts of your decisions decades ago. life is not fair whether your a nobody or a somebody.*






You want to serve flag and country? Join any anti-imperialist league. Nationalism without any hint of anti-imperialism is a sham. The nationalist card* has always been the last refuge of scoundrels...but that's me.

I just hope the middle class intellegensia, especially the media,* *will drop the* "flag and country" angle in sports.

Continue...


come on dude, it's not an issue of inductive or deductive logic here it's just plain serving your country or having a "me-first" attiitude. ;)

Care to cite an example, pachador?

We have focused too much on individual players who have decided, as a matter of right, on a privilege that was offered to a very limited few.* Flag and Country has now been used to judge their decisions and to project their legacy decades from now.*

But aren't you are barking at the wrong t(h)ree?

What about the people who have had the chance to steer the program of the country’s premier sport and blew it because of apathy, ignorance or whatever personal agendas they had?

In 1975, the PBA was formed to break away from the clutches of the Lito Puyat-led BAP. And Philippine Basketball has never been the same ever since.

And later on the Philippines had but just one major (ABC, ‘85) regional title, no thanks to these very same people who stepped aside and watched as a project director brought home the goods right under their imperious noses with a program. All this time we have not actually had an outpouring of righteous indignation on the PBA for the doldrums of Philippine basketball, either.

And when political shifts dismantled the project directorship concept and program, we saw amateur basketball revert back to the old imperious leadership: the very same leadership (nay, management), which justified the birth of the pro league.

And the effects of this are still being felt today even under a new leadership. And this new leadership is being challenged and undermined by organizations and individuals bent on pursuing personal agendas.

That’s the bigger sin on which we should vent our nationalist attention on.

Who’s ranting at this now?

As far as legacy is concerned, I wouldn’t worry about that too much.

Would that be relevant 30 or 40 years from now if by that time we still haven’t gotten our act together?

Want to study about the legacies of a nobody and a somebody? Try to look up the all but forgotten stories of John Copada and Ted Alfarero and compare their legacies. It doesn’t matter now, does it?

danny
02-08-2009, 02:58 AM
You want to serve flag and country? Join any anti-imperialist league. Nationalism without any hint of anti-imperialism is a sham. The nationalist card* has always been the last refuge of scoundrels...but that's me.

I just hope the middle class intellegensia, especially the media,* *will drop the* "flag and country" angle in sports.

Continue...


come on dude, it's not an issue of inductive or deductive logic here it's just plain serving your country or having a "me-first" attiitude. ;)


The New People's Army don't get paid for their service to the country. Their brand of "Nationalism" is far different from ours. But Pinoys think they are terrorists rather than true patriots. See.

Do they really want to play for flag and country? Then no contract is necessary. :D

Playing for this team does not mean you are being nationalistic. All decisions boil down to personal interest. When personal interest is aligned with our perception of nationalism then it's ok. The contract was the heart, NATIONALISM IS JUST THE VEIL.
Scoundrels like Makoy were fiercely nationalistic. Filipino Ideology anyone? :D

Just drop the nationalist angle. My nationalism is anti-imperialist in nature. If yours is different, then we are talking in different levels with probably no chance to intersect. ;)

About history...official history will always be written by the victors but the subversives will always be at the fringe.

danny
02-08-2009, 04:08 AM
Toroman's National Team?

Not so nationalistic in a narrow minded sense. Either we drop the nationalist angle or adopt an ethno-centric nationalism (since there can be no anti-imperialist brand of nationalism in this sport) just like the detractors of Toroman are doing.

Can we also ask this team to join in the oust Arroyo campaign? If they want to fight for flag and country, the primary battle is at the home front. Battle in two fronts for the Nationalist Team, local politics and international basketball. This would be nice. Since we try to put the politics if nationalism into sports, then let's inject sports into politics as well.

Just like the elitist and sham media, some of us armchair analysts like to peddle nationalism in so many issues especially when it is emotionally charged. However, confronted with real life nationalist issue that has undermined our nation, we do not give a hoot. A lot of media people and personalities peddle the nationalist card only when it is convenient for them. Only when it can be used as an assault weapon against a perceived enemy.

Remember the GATT debate in 1995 to 1997? Now whose becoming protectionist and "nationalists" now? The champions of GATT themselves, the fallen US of A. What has that got to do with sports? :D

If this is the only way we know how to serve flag and country in sports, then why the heck is our sports program regionalistic and elitist in nature? Why do we enjoy having a fractured collegiate basketball? Why do we create a caste system in our own collegiate sports? Why are they planning to recruit fil-foreigners. Now that is not my logic. Just throwing it back to all the patriots around here.

Why question the nationalism of players who do not want to join the team. Is it not better for if this Team is composed of PATRIOTS and pure NATIONALIST who will fight for flag and country. MONEY and CAREER were non-issues for our future GREAT PATRIOTIC TEAM MEMBERS with SERBIAN TOROMAN as maestro. Wait... I heard we are also going to have half-Jewish soldiers in our Aryan Army just like Hitler's Mishlinge contingent. Is this true?

PacMan fought for love country...so everyone says... He drives a Porsche Cayenne by the way.

I'm out of this discussion. If you are well read in politics, you know where I am coming from. Ciao bella. Now where is that book by Nilo Tayag. Time to re-read the FILIPINO IDEOLOGY. Fascism combined with ethno-centric nationalism are fashionable once again. Sig Heil! :P

Pax.

insulares
02-08-2009, 04:18 AM
Geez...someone with a stiff upper lip really needs to loosen up a bit.* ****** would probably help.

Sheeeeeeeeesh.....

pachador
02-08-2009, 04:29 AM
i think i have been misunderstood. i did not emphasize flag or nationalism per se but more on the aspect of what will make the descendants(kids and grandkids) of players proud. as far as as i am concerned, i would be prouder of my dad if he played for the national team than for the PBA, but thats me. now if those players who didnt play for the national team could not care less what their descendants or the filipinos think, then thats fine too. all i wanted to point out was something that they might not have* thought about(you never know) just in case they read this forum.

whether we like it or not, the reality is that historians and filipinos generations from now will judge players , politicians or anyone based on old news accounts that* they read. fair or not thats the reality.

look at loyzaga's accomplishments which happened more than 50 years ago. till today, young people who were not even born in the 50s , 60s or 70s speak highly of him simply because of what they read in the internet and news and books.

now look at graham lim, puyat, marcos, boxer navarete, drug pusher or womanizer bball players, etc . i am sure they have done many good things in their lives, but look at how people judge them? isnt it that they get judged on the "bad" things they have done overshadowing the good things.

Thats why my favorite saying is " people have a tendency to remember more the few bad things you have done that the many good things you have done for them"

MonL
02-08-2009, 04:52 AM
^I remember Chito Loyzaga in his youth saying this:

"I don't idolize my father because I never saw him play. Jaworski is my idol. No one else."

But no one took this against him, did they?

danny
02-08-2009, 04:56 AM
Geez...someone with a stiff upper lip really needs to loosen up a bit.* ************ would probably help.

Sheeeeeeeeesh.....


3 times a day baby. ;)

Ooolala...

Sig Heil?

********* lang ang gusto mong sabihin, iningles mo pa para witty kuno. Para may urbanidad ba?* Sabihin mo ng deretso. Kulang ***********. Sus. :D

pachador
02-08-2009, 04:58 AM
i can't speak for chito or caloy....* *but as for me, if my son said that *i would make sure my little kayamanan(whatever there is) goes to my favorite charity and not to him. * ;D



^I remember Chito Loyzaga in his youth saying this:

"I don't idolize my father because I never saw him play. Jaworski is my idol. No one else."

But no one took this against him, did they?

danny
02-08-2009, 05:08 AM
Pachador, nothing against you pare. Alam mo naman yan. Tayo tayong tinubuan na ng ugat dito sa gameface, nagkakaintindihan na.

Pero tama ka...mali ka lang dun sa charity...kung ako yun, sa clone ko na lang. ;D

pachador
02-08-2009, 05:14 AM
speaking of clones, the latest news is that they are making rapid progress in that area. i wonder if ever we clone a copy of ourselves, it will give us an opportunity to correct the mistakes of our youth kung baga to start all over again :D ...hmmm
o kaya pagawa tayo ng clone ng crush natin noon ;) the catholic church frowns on cloning diba? as for me, i'll withhold opinion muna and see how it goes..




Pachador, nothing against you pare. Alam mo naman yan. Tayo tayong tinubuan na ng ugat dito sa gameface, nagkakaintindihan na.

Pero tama ka...mali ka lang dun sa charity...kung ako yun, sa clone ko na lang. ;D

gameface_one
02-08-2009, 08:09 AM
Insulares/Danny, pls be reminded that there are better ways of saying things that could still relay the same message with the same intended impact. Keep in mind that we also have minors viewing and posting in the Forums so pls be guided on what you post.

Thanks.

insulares
02-08-2009, 11:39 AM
Insulares/Danny, pls be reminded that there are better ways of saying things that could still relay the same message with the same intended impact. Keep in mind that we also have minors viewing and posting in the Forums so pls be guided on what you post.

Thanks.


Understood, Gameface.* My profuse apologies for my poor choice of words.* I was speaking out loud about my stiff upper lip problem and my lack of 'satisfaction'.* Unfortunately, it struck a nerve with someone who coincidentally also appears to be severely 'unsatisfied'.* The truth hurts indeed.

Pasensya na lang po sa mga na-pikon sa sinabi ko.

insulares
02-08-2009, 12:19 PM
Toroman's National Team?

Not so nationalistic in a narrow minded sense. Either we drop the nationalist angle or adopt an ethno-centric nationalism (since there can be no anti-imperialist brand of nationalism in this sport) just like the detractors of Toroman are doing.

Can we also ask this team to join in the oust Arroyo campaign? If they want to fight for flag and country, the* primary battle is at the home front. Battle in two fronts for the Nationalist Team, local politics and international basketball. This would be nice. Since we try to put the politics if nationalism into sports, then let's inject sports into politics as well.

Just like the elitist and sham media, some of us armchair analysts like to peddle nationalism in so many issues especially when it is emotionally charged. However, confronted with real life nationalist issue that has undermined our nation, we do not give a hoot. A lot of media people and personalities peddle the nationalist card only when it is convenient for them.* Only when it can be used as an assault weapon against a perceived enemy.

Remember the GATT debate in 1995 to 1997? Now whose becoming protectionist and "nationalists" now? The champions of GATT themselves, the fallen US of A. What has that got to do with sports?* :D

If this is the only way we know how to serve flag and country in sports, then why the heck is our sports program regionalistic and elitist in nature? Why do we enjoy having a fractured collegiate basketball? Why do we create a caste system in our own collegiate sports? Why are they planning to recruit fil-foreigners. Now that is not my logic. Just throwing it back to all the patriots around here.

Why question the nationalism of players who do not want to join the team. Is it not better for if this Team is composed of PATRIOTS* and pure NATIONALIST who will fight for flag and country. MONEY* and CAREER were non-issues for our future GREAT PATRIOTIC TEAM MEMBERS with SERBIAN TOROMAN as maestro.* Wait... I heard we are also going to have half-Jewish soldiers in our Aryan Army just like Hitler's Mishlinge contingent. Is this true?

PacMan fought for love country...so everyone says... He drives a Porsche Cayenne by the way.

I'm out of this discussion. If you are well read in politics, you know where I am coming from. Ciao bella. Now where is that book by Nilo Tayag. Time to re-read the FILIPINO IDEOLOGY.* Fascism combined with ethno-centric nationalism are fashionable once again. Sig Heil! :P

Pax.


Danny, maybe you should follow your own advice to me, which is:

"...iningles mo pa para witty kuno. Para may urbanidad ba?* Sabihin mo ng deretso."

Dahil panay Ingles ang political science post mo, ibig ba sabihin hindi mo sinabi ng deretso?*

Huwag kang hipocrito 'dre.* Ikaw diyan ang Inglis ng inglis...bigla ka lang napa-Tagalog nang may nabasa kang katotohanan na di mo nagustuhan.

BTW, the 'Sig Heil' part is very witty indeed.* May urbanidad din.* Bravo.

***************************************

Going back to the topic, it is great that Toroman's team, despite not being perfect, is providing some hope for Filipino basketball fans.*

MonL
02-08-2009, 01:50 PM
i can't speak for chito or caloy....* *but as for me, if my son said that *i would make sure my little kayamanan(whatever there is) goes to my favorite charity and not to him. * ;D



^I remember Chito Loyzaga in his youth saying this:

"I don't idolize my father because I never saw him play. Jaworski is my idol. No one else."

But no one took this against him, did they?






Uhm, dude try fishing for a copy of Sports Weekly in the National Library or some archive which still keeps copies of 1978-1982 era sports. Chito was about to make the leap to the pros when he said that. He was telling the truth after all. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody thinks of him at all today as an ingrate.

pachador
02-08-2009, 02:14 PM
hindi ko naman sinabi na ingrato si chito. baka sumisipsip lang siya kay jawo* ;)* or in english, chito was just trying to get in Jawo's good graces ....ginebra ba kaagad si chito when he jumped to the PBA? and was jawo already with ginebra when chito jumped to the PBA? my memory is hazy on that period.







i can't speak for chito or caloy....* *but as for me, if my son said that *i would make sure my little kayamanan(whatever there is) goes to my favorite charity and not to him. * ;D



^I remember Chito Loyzaga in his youth saying this:

"I don't idolize my father because I never saw him play. Jaworski is my idol. No one else."

But no one took this against him, did they?






Uhm, dude try fishing for a copy of Sports Weekly in the National Library or some archive which still keeps copies of 1978-1982 era sports. Chito was about to make the leap to the pros when he said that. He was telling the truth after all. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody thinks of him at all today as an ingrate.

dioning
02-08-2009, 02:51 PM
YCO-Tanduay muna si Chito
if am not mistaken this was in 1981
Da Big J was still with Toyota
they became Toyota teammates in 1984 yata
after mag-disband ang Toyota nag-Gilbeys si Jawo at nag-Great Taste si Chito
di ko lang matandaan kung anong year sila nag-start maging teammates sa Ginebra

btw, dapat siguro the NT players should get equal pay
dapat lahat patas, kung P6.4M kontrata nung isa, dapat lahat P6.4M na rin ang kontrata
okey lang kung bayaran sila pero dapat pare-pareho kita nila
*

D_I_A
02-08-2009, 06:52 PM
You want to serve flag and country? Join any anti-imperialist league. Nationalism without any hint of anti-imperialism is a sham. The nationalist card* has always been the last refuge of scoundrels...but that's me.

I just hope the middle class intellegensia, especially the media,* *will drop the* "flag and country" angle in sports.

Continue...


come on dude, it's not an issue of inductive or deductive logic here it's just plain serving your country or having a "me-first" attiitude. ;)


The New* People's Army don't get paid for their service to the country. Their brand of "Nationalism" is far different from ours. But Pinoys think they are terrorists rather than true patriots. See.

Do they really want to play for flag and country? Then no contract is necessary.* :D

Playing for this team does not mean you are being nationalistic. All decisions boil down to personal interest.* When personal interest is aligned with our perception of nationalism then it's ok.* The contract was the heart, NATIONALISM IS JUST THE VEIL.
Scoundrels like Makoy were fiercely nationalistic. Filipino Ideology anyone? :D

Just drop the nationalist angle.* My nationalism is anti-imperialist in nature. If yours is different, then we are talking in different levels with probably no chance to intersect. ;)

About history...official history will always be written* by the victors but the subversives will always be at the fringe.*




Of course nationalism has evolved through the years, if your anti-imperialist brand of nationalism will be the gauge, it won't really fit with present meanings of what Philippine basketball really needs.

What we really just need are people who really can play for flag and money regardless whether they're offered with contracts or not.

MonL
02-08-2009, 06:55 PM
hindi ko naman sinabi na ingrato si chito. baka sumisipsip lang siya kay jawo* ;)* or in english, chito was just trying to get in Jawo's good graces ....ginebra ba kaagad si chito when he jumped to the PBA? and was jawo already with ginebra when chito jumped to the PBA? my memory is hazy on that period.







i can't speak for chito or caloy....* *but as for me, if my son said that *i would make sure my little kayamanan(whatever there is) goes to my favorite charity and not to him. * ;D



^I remember Chito Loyzaga in his youth saying this:

"I don't idolize my father because I never saw him play. Jaworski is my idol. No one else."

But no one took this against him, did they?






Uhm, dude try fishing for a copy of Sports Weekly in the National Library or some archive which still keeps copies of 1978-1982 era sports. Chito was about to make the leap to the pros when he said that. He was telling the truth after all. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody thinks of him at all today as an ingrate.





See? It's not even 30-40 years and Chito had earned the right to be recognized as one of the best players ever to play in the pros or for the country.

And here we are disputing the integrity of his game.

History is bunk.

Kid Cubao
02-08-2009, 07:23 PM
moving along, rain or shine eked out a 3point victory, 79-76, over smart gilas. rain or shine, a team with three fil-foreign players and an american import, would have blown the win had JV casio converted a last-second 3-pointer.

like i said before, dylan ababou is national team material with his height, versatility, and shooting. very impressed with his 3 point accuracy despite wearing a mask to protect his nose.

bchoter
02-08-2009, 07:24 PM
Alisin na kasi yung contract na yan. Or, at the very least, tangalin nalang yung bond. Kung talagang maganda yung alok hindi mo na kailangan pang pigilan ang mga players na umalis. Sila mismo ang mag kukusa.

Speaking of Dylan, If I were in his place I would have signed a shorter contract.

digitalsuperman
02-08-2009, 08:03 PM
moving along, rain or shine eked out a 3point victory, 79-76, over smart gilas. rain or shine, a team with three fil-foreign players and an american import, would have blown the win had JV casio converted a last-second 3-pointer.

like i said before, dylan ababou is national team material with his height, versatility, and shooting. very impressed with his 3 point accuracy despite wearing a mask to protect his nose.


yeah..ababou was great so as casio..i hope maierhoffer and menor would sign up also... they can always make a deal with sbp if they aren't happy with their contracts...i'm sure di naman siguro mahirap kausapin ang mga taga SBP..

danny
02-08-2009, 11:48 PM
Insulares/Danny, pls be reminded that there are better ways of saying things that could still relay the same message with the same intended impact. Keep in mind that we also have minors viewing and posting in the Forums so pls be guided on what you post.

Thanks.


Understood, Gameface.* My profuse apologies for my poor choice of words.* I was speaking out loud about my stiff upper lip problem and my lack of 'satisfaction'.* Unfortunately, it struck a nerve with someone who coincidentally also appears to be severely 'unsatisfied'.* The truth hurts indeed.

Pasensya na lang po sa mga na-pikon sa sinabi ko.


Bastos ka pare ko. Yan ang totoo.

Wala sa lugar ang hirit mong kailangan ng tootoot.* Matinong usapan, tapos dahil hindi mo nagustuhan, titirahin mo na kulang sa romansa.

Yan ba ang pagiging makabayan? O siya...

Mabuhay ang Kabataang Makabayan! :D



Danny, maybe you should follow your own advice to me, which is:

"...iningles mo pa para witty kuno. Para may urbanidad ba?* Sabihin mo ng deretso."

Dahil panay Ingles ang political science post mo, ibig ba sabihin hindi mo sinabi ng deretso?*

Huwag kang hipocrito 'dre.* Ikaw diyan ang Inglis ng inglis...bigla ka lang napa-Tagalog nang may nabasa kang katotohanan na di mo nagustuhan.

BTW, the 'Sig Heil' part is very witty indeed.* May urbanidad din.* Bravo.

***************************************

Going back to the topic, it is great that Toroman's team, despite not being perfect, is providing some hope for Filipino basketball fans.*





Pare ko, mukhang nalilito ka na. Binastos mo ako ng kailangan ng ROMANSA. Bastos ka. Yan ang totoo.

Matinong usapan, hihirit ka ng kabastusan dahil hindi mo nagusuhan ang opinyon ko. At sinong nagsabing ang sinasabi mo lang ang TOTOO.

Sheeesshh...kebab.

Huwag ka nang hihirit ng kabastusan. Matinong usapan lang.



gameface,

Salamat sa mabilis na aksyon. Nakakapagiinit ang sabihan ka ng kababuyan. Ang tino ng usapan, hihiritan ka ng ganyan. Siya...

danny
02-09-2009, 12:07 AM
What we really just need are people who really can play for flag and money regardless whether they're offered with contracts or not.



Yan naman talaga di ba? Maglalaro ko dahil sa personal na interes at pahapyaw na lang ang bayan. PR lang ang "flag and country" para makakuha ng imaheng Adonis na ipaglalaban ang bandila. Ang totoo ay ang "flag and money".


May kanya kanya tayong paraan para ipakita ang pagiging makabayan. Huwag mabilis humusga. Langhiya, maraming konseptong ipinupukol ang iba't ibang tao dito sa gameface na anti-Pilipino, anti-Pilipinas.

Tanggalin nating ang kontrata at imbitahan ang mga manlalarong Bayan lang ang nasa isip. Yan ang mainam.

Kita mo nga, puro tayo Inglisero. Paano uunlad ang wikang Pilipino. Simulan kaya natin dito. Mag-Pilipino tayo.

aircanda
02-09-2009, 12:34 AM
What we really just need are people who really can play for flag and money regardless whether they're offered with contracts or not.



Yan naman talaga di ba? Maglalaro ko dahil sa personal na interes at pahapyaw na lang ang bayan. PR lang ang "flag and country" para makakuha ng imaheng Adonis na ipaglalaban ang bandila. Ang totoo ay ang "flag and money".


May kanya kanya tayong paraan para ipakita ang pagiging makabayan. Huwag mabilis humusga. Langhiya, maraming konseptong ipinupukol ang iba't ibang tao dito sa gameface na anti-Pilipino, anti-Pilipinas.

Tanggalin nating ang kontrata at imbitahan ang mga manlalarong Bayan lang ang nasa isip. Yan ang mainam.

Kita mo nga, puro tayo Inglisero. Paano uunlad ang wikang Pilipino. Simulan kaya natin dito. Mag-Pilipino tayo.




pero sir danny? hindi ba kailangan talaga ang kontrata? hinde naman lahat ng player na yan ay mayayaman tulad ni Chris Tiu na kayang tustusan yung paglalaro lang ng basketball. Pano na lang future at ang pamilya nila kung wala silang pera? Kailangan nga ng kontrata.. pero dapat ay pantay pantay nga lamang ng presyo.

sir danny, peace tayo ha.. :)

danny
02-09-2009, 12:36 AM
^^^

OO naman. Pero ang anggulong gusto kong ipakita, pera-pera yan. Hindi dahil sa BAYAN. Hindi naman kasi maipapakita ang pagiging makabayan kung binabayaran kang maglaro. At hindi lahat pwedeng magsakripisyo ng walang bayad para sa bayan dahil sa kahirapan. Hindi lahat mayaman.

Kaya huwag gawing basihan ng iba ang pagiging makabayan sa simpleng paglalaro o hindi sa Pambansang Koponan.

Sa usaping, pantay-pantay na kontrata, sang-ayon ako diyan.

Malinaw na ang usapan. Wala na sanang hiritang bastusan. ;)

D_I_A
02-09-2009, 12:41 AM
What we really just need are people who really can play for flag and money regardless whether they're offered with contracts or not.



Yan naman talaga di ba? Maglalaro ko dahil sa personal na interes at pahapyaw na lang ang bayan. PR lang ang "flag and country" para makakuha ng imaheng Adonis na ipaglalaban ang bandila. Ang totoo ay ang "flag and money".


May kanya kanya tayong paraan para* ipakita ang pagiging makabayan. Huwag mabilis humusga. Langhiya, maraming konseptong ipinupukol ang iba't ibang tao dito sa gameface na anti-Pilipino, anti-Pilipinas.

Tanggalin nating ang kontrata at imbitahan ang mga manlalarong Bayan lang ang nasa isip. Yan ang mainam.

Kita mo nga, puro tayo Inglisero. Paano uunlad ang wikang Pilipino. Simulan kaya natin dito.* Mag-Pilipino tayo.




kaw na rin nagsabi na maraming paraan, wag mo rin husgahan ang mga mas maingay na damdamin ng mga naririto kung sa pagtingin nila ay mas matimbang ang bayan kaysa sa pera at pansariling interes.

di lamang sa wika nasusukat ang pagiging makabayan bok, nasa gawa.

wag na nating daanin sa mala-pilosopong usapin na ang nasyonalismo ay instrumento lamang para kontrahin ang anti-impeng pananaw. maraming paraan pwede itong magamit.

kung hinusgahan ang tatlong nasabing manlalaro na makasarili, ay talagang lantad na sila'y mababansagan dahil sa kagyat na usapin na pagtalikod kuno sa bayan.


walang masama sa pagkamakabayan lalo na kung ito ay inaangkop sa palakasan..ang masama ay kung ang konsepto nito ay pilit na tinitibag kapalit ng kaisipang makasarili at hindi pagsisilbi para sa kagalingan at interes ng sambayanan.

pachador
02-09-2009, 12:43 AM
not disputing the integrity of the game per se. *just speculating on what he really meant when he said he idolized jawo more than his dad. when your a public figure whether in sports, govt, entertainment, you will be fair game because you are in the public eye and subject to both praise and criticism and discussion. life is not fair whether your a nobodyJuan or a somebody famous.






hindi ko naman sinabi na ingrato si chito. baka sumisipsip lang siya kay jawo* ;)* or in english, chito was just trying to get in Jawo's good graces ....ginebra ba kaagad si chito when he jumped to the PBA? and was jawo already with ginebra when chito jumped to the PBA? my memory is hazy on that period.







i can't speak for chito or caloy....* *but as for me, if my son said that *i would make sure my little kayamanan(whatever there is) goes to my favorite charity and not to him. * ;D



^I remember Chito Loyzaga in his youth saying this:

"I don't idolize my father because I never saw him play. Jaworski is my idol. No one else."

But no one took this against him, did they?






Uhm, dude try fishing for a copy of Sports Weekly in the National Library or some archive which still keeps copies of 1978-1982 era sports. Chito was about to make the leap to the pros when he said that. He was telling the truth after all. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody thinks of him at all today as an ingrate.





See? It's not even 30-40 years and Chito had earned the right to be recognized as one of the best players ever to play in the pros or for the country.

And here we are disputing the integrity of his game.

History is bunk.

danny
02-09-2009, 12:44 AM
Balik tayo sa una kong opinyon. Iwasan ang usapang "flag and country" sa mga desisyon ng kanya kanyan manlalaro.

Simple lang di ba?

Walang tumitibag sa konsepto ng paging makabayan. Pero gumawa tayo ng ibang "hibla" para pag-usapan yan. Hindi dito.

Ayos?

D_I_A
02-09-2009, 12:59 AM
SBP in search of replacements
Daily Tribune
By Julius Manicad

02/09/2009

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas is looking for players who will fill the void left by three promising players who turned down its longterm offer, SBP executive director Noli Eala announced.

The three players who were originally included in the SBP’s 25-man training pool were Rico Maierhofer, Ogie Menor and Marcy Arellano.

In a previous conversation, Eala revealed that Chester Taylor, Aldrich Ramos, Ford Arao and Severino “Nonoy” Baclao are already on the verge of striking a deal with SBP that would give them a rare opportunity to don the national colors, gain international exposure and hone their skills under the stewardship of prolific Serbian mentor, Rajko Toroman.

But while Arao has already seen action in two exhibition matches against Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) squads, Taylor, Ramos and Baclao have yet to report in the team’s official practice.

Baclao, an Ateneo stalwart, is still recuperating from an injury while Taylor and Ramos are still seeing action with their respective squads in the finals of the Philippine Basketball League.

“Our system is not personality-based,” Eala recently said. “We do not really need a superstar. All we’re looking for is somebody who can sacrifice and play his heart out for flag and country.”

Based on its initial blueprint, SBP will pick 25 players to be part of its developmental pool that will be groomed to lead the country back to the Olympics in 2012.

Among them, 20 players will be given contracts, which Eala earlier claimed to be “as lucrative as what they will be getting in the PBA.”

The contracts could go to as high as P6.4 million in three years with SBP, through its president Manny Pangilinan, willing to bankroll a staggering P14 million in the first year, P24 million in the second year and P36 million in the final year of the expensive three-year program.

And with three stars formally rejecting the offer, the initial 25-man pool is now down to 13, prompting SBP to scamper for additional manpower.

Eala, however, remains undaunted.

“While their absence is a blow to the team, I think there are other young talents who are willing to sacrifice. And so far, a lot of collegiate players have expressed willingness to join,” Eala said.


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SBP offer fails to lure
some collegiate stars
Malaya
BY NOLI CORTEZ
2/9/2009


DESPITE the refusal of collegiate standouts to join its developmental pool, the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas is confident it can still form a strong team for international competitions.

Collegiate stars Rico Maierhofer, Ogie Menor and Marcy Arellano recently turned down SBP’s offer of a lucrative long-term contract due to various provisions that may hamper their bid to join the pro league.

The SBP, through its executive director, Noli Eala, said the refusal of the three players to join the pool should be treated more as a motivation than a loss. Eala added the challenge is for the remaining players in the pool to prove their worth and justify their inclusion in the national team.

"Our system is not personality-based," Eala said in a recent conversation. "We do not really need a superstar. All we’re looking for is somebody who can sacrifice and play his heart out for flag and country."

The initial 25-man pool is now down to 13, prompting the SBP to scamper for additional manpower.
Eala remained undaunted, saying: "While their absence is a blow to the team, I think there are other young talents who are willing to sacrifice. And so far, a lot of collegiate players have expressed willingness to join."

He added they are closely looking at four role players to fill the void left by Maierhofer, Menor and Arellano.

Chester Taylor, Aldrich Ramos, Ford Arao and Severino "Nonoy" Baclao are reportedly already on the verge of striking a deal with the SBP, embracing a rare opportunity to don the national colors, gain international exposure and hone their skills under Serbian coach Rajko Toroman.

Arao has already seen action in two exhibition matches against PBA squads while Taylor, Ramos and Baclao have yet to report to any team practice.

]Baclao, Ateneo’s defensive stalwart, is still recuperating from an injury while Taylor and Ramos are still seeing action with Magnolia and Harbour Centre, respectively, in the PBL finals.

Based on its initial blueprint, SBP will pick 25 players to be part of its developmental pool that will be groomed to lead the country back to the Olympics in 2012.

Among them, 20 players will be given contracts, which Eala claimed would be "as lucrative as what they will be getting in the PBA."

SBP president Manny Pangilinan is willing to plunk a staggering 14 million in the first year of the team, P24 million in the second year and P36 million in the final year.

Each player in the team can receive as high as P6.4 million in three years, but several players have reportedly been turned off by various provisions in the contract, including one stipulating that a player who leaves the team before finishing his contract must return a huge part of the money he has received.

D_I_A
02-09-2009, 01:09 AM
Balik tayo sa una kong opinyon. Iwasan ang usapang "flag and country" sa mga desisyon ng kanya kanyan manlalaro.

Simple lang di ba?

Walang tumitibag sa konsepto ng paging makabayan. Pero gumawa tayo ng ibang "hibla" para pag-usapan yan. Hindi dito.

Ayos?


sa tingin ko ka danny, di mo mai aalis ang pananaw ng mamamayan hinggil sa "bandila at bayan" lalo na kung ang desisyon na isang manlalaro ay sumalungat sa pananaw ng karamihan.

aircanda
02-09-2009, 01:37 AM
maraming negative ang mga nasabe kila rico, ogie at marcy.. pero sarili nilang desisyon yun.. ule, maari silang hinde mayaman tulad kunware ni chris tiu na pwdeng magbaskteball o hinde..

pero iba ang kaso ni Fajardo, na obvious na iba ang rason bakit ayaw sumale..

hinde ba ito ang exact reason bakit hinde umaasenso ang bansa naten..? pwedeng isang klase ng crab mentality ito di ba? nang dahil hindi sumama sa iyo ay sasabihan mo na ng hinde maganda.. nasa demokratikong bansa.. may choice sila.. at may freedom of expression tayo.. pero isipin naten ang ating mga sasabihin..

:)

insulares
02-09-2009, 02:51 AM
Pare ko, mukhang nalilito ka na. Binastos mo ako ng kailangan ng ROMANSA. Bastos ka. Yan ang totoo.

Matinong usapan, hihirit ka ng kabastusan dahil hindi mo nagusuhan ang opinyon ko. At sinong nagsabing ang sinasabi mo lang ang TOTOO.*

Sheeesshh...kebab.

Huwag ka nang hihirit ng kabastusan. Matinong usapan lang.



Pare, gaya ng nasabi ko na, pasensiya na sa mga napikon sa hirit ko.* Wala sa lugar.* Bastos kung bastos.* Hindi na natin kailangan patagalin ang pagka-balat sibuyas natin.* Nagkamali ako ng hirit at ikaw ang nagsasabi ng TOTOO...matinong usapan na lang.

Ngayon, tungkol sa sinabi mong tanggalin nating ang kontrata at imbitahan ang mga manlalarong Bayan lang ang nasa isip, umuubra lamang yan sa mga aklat at kathang-isip ng iilang atletang handa talagang magsakripisyo.* Ang katotohanan ay kailangan ding tapatan ang komersyo ng komersyo upang makapagbuo ng koponan na hindi magiging bugbog-sarado sa mga torneo.* Tama lamang na pamilya muna bago bayan ang isipin ng manlalaro.* Hindi siya dapat sisihin diyan.

"Money for family" before "flag".* Natural lang 'yan, basta huwag lang sobrang sakim.

Kid Cubao
02-09-2009, 05:04 AM
kung ayaw nina menor, maierhoffer, at marcy arellano, i don't think smart gilas would keel over and die just like that. the team has shown its mettle against PBA teams, and their future will get brighter the longer they jell and become familiar with coach rajko's system. kung papansinin nyo, they don't have set plays but rather a collection of patterns, like the rest of the world does in international competition. so the key will be execution.

thadzonline
02-09-2009, 09:57 AM
yes, the time is now. we don't want another samigue eman in the making, or a big man who got stunted in his development for his initial reluctance to play really big-time ball and get specialized coaching until it's a tad too late. after being drafted by san miguel, nasan na sya ngayon? while guys like hontiveros, lanete, and hugnatan jumped on the first chance they got to play in manila, junmar continues to bide his time, content on letting others make decisions for him. now if people think that's fine, ok no problem. pero umaandar ang metro...


just in case you did not know, it took all 3 or 4 years of Dondon Hontiveros' college basketball eligibility and a stint in the MBA's Cebu Gems before Dondon actually decided to move to Manila and he did not jump on the first opportunity he got. As mateen mentioned, he didn't turn out too bad, did he. It's the same program JF is at. Dondon was a benchwarmer at the Don Bosco High School five and went on to study college sans a basketball scholarship at USJ-R. A UC scout spotted him playing intramurals basketball at USJ-R and that's how he got to UC. UC coaches worked on his game and he went on to become one of Cebu's best in basketball lately.

To insinuate that the CeSAFI is a mediocre league is unfortunate and shows too much disrespect for Cebu basketball. While CeSAFI may not be as good as the UAAP or even the NCAA yet, debate is ripe whether to let it stay mediocre by stunting its development and negate the large gains and strides it has taken in the past few years or by letting it grow and have a positive impact on the grassroots programs of the national federation. Then again, this is off-topic.

Kid Cubao
02-09-2009, 11:07 AM
heto lang: kung talagang hilaw dati si dondon, sa tingin mo ba'y may magkaka-interes na kunin sya para maglaro sa manila? kayo na rin ang may sabing hanggang intrams lang sya sa USJ-R at sa UC sya nahubog bilang varsity player. ibig sabihin, alam nya mismong kelangan pa nyang magpahinog. however, he later became a household word because of his success in cebu gems, and he didn't wait for the league to implode before joining san miguel as a PBA direct hire. yan yung opportunity na sinasabi ko.

it was not my intention to disrespect CESAFI, despite its dismal record in champions' league play against UAAP and NCAA teams. seriously, if you want the league to be more competitive, there should be a mechanism for transferring the latest basketball knowledge, skills training, diet and conditioning, and coaching ideas from manila and the rest of the world to cebu. no one is disputing the amount of sheer basketball talent in the visayas. it's just a matter of reaching out to them while they are still coachable and can unlearn ineffective habits. that goes for players, coaches, training assistants, and those in management.

Schortsanitis
02-09-2009, 02:03 PM
yes, the time is now. we don't want another samigue eman in the making, or a big man who got stunted in his development for his initial reluctance to play really big-time ball and get specialized coaching until it's a tad too late. after being drafted by san miguel, nasan na sya ngayon? while guys like hontiveros, lanete, and hugnatan jumped on the first chance they got to play in manila, junmar continues to bide his time, content on letting others make decisions for him. now if people think that's fine, ok no problem. pero umaandar ang metro...


just in case you did not know, it took all 3 or 4 years of Dondon Hontiveros' college basketball eligibility and a stint in the MBA's Cebu Gems before Dondon actually decided to move to Manila and he did not jump on the first opportunity he got. As mateen mentioned, he didn't turn out too bad, did he. It's the same program JF is at. Dondon was a benchwarmer at the Don Bosco High School five and went on to study college sans a basketball scholarship at USJ-R. A UC scout spotted him playing intramurals basketball at USJ-R and that's how he got to UC. UC coaches worked on his game and he went on to become one of Cebu's best in basketball lately.

To insinuate that the CeSAFI is a mediocre league is unfortunate and shows too much disrespect for Cebu basketball. While CeSAFI may not be as good as the UAAP or even the NCAA yet, debate is ripe whether to let it stay mediocre by stunting its development and negate the large gains and strides it has taken in the past few years or by letting it grow and have a positive impact on the grassroots programs of the national federation. Then again, this is off-topic.


Its true that Dondon Hontiveros is playing well in the PBA right now, but he is only one example versus many. Where is Rino Berame now, for example?

In situations like this, we have to cite the fate of the MAJORITY of the players, rather than the exceptions. Expecting Junmar to end up like Dondon is possible, but not highly probable, when you look at the odds out there. The odds are against him, 'ika nga.'

Look at Greg Slaughter now. CESAFI MVP, and he still have trouble adjusting against better competition. In the two exhibition games against PBA teams, he couldn't even give out decent numbers, as opposed to UAAP MVP Rabeh Al-Husseini, who played well in those games.

But, then again, there is no guarantee that Junmar will improve his game even if he is brought to play in Manila. 'Baka hanggang Cebu lang talaga ang talent niya.' We will see in a couple of years when he finally starts playing in the PBL.

Dark Knight
02-09-2009, 02:12 PM
^^^

OO naman. Pero ang anggulong gusto kong ipakita, pera-pera yan. Hindi dahil sa BAYAN. Hindi naman kasi maipapakita ang pagiging makabayan kung binabayaran kang maglaro. At hindi lahat pwedeng magsakripisyo ng walang bayad para sa bayan dahil sa kahirapan. Hindi lahat mayaman.







Ditto uli bossing...............we still share the same sentiments, just like whats happening in boxing. ;D

Sa panahon ngayon, sa hirap ng buhay at bansa, pera talaga ang habol ng mga atleta. Kung gusto ng SBP na kumuha ng de kalidada na manlalaro, bayaran nyo sila ng tama at ayon sa kakayanan nila. Pero wag nang ipilit ang paglalaro sa bayan. Wala ng Andres Bonifacio ngayon. Pilipino tayo. Hindi Intsik.

Natatawa na lang ako sa isang boksingerong sikat na para sa sambayanan ang laban...............................op tapik.

JonarSabilano
02-09-2009, 02:24 PM
^^ You just had to insert that reference to a particular boxer there, didn't you? ::)

Mang_Roger
02-09-2009, 03:38 PM
Sa panahon ngayon, mahirap ikalakal ang salitang "makabayan" para makumbinse na isakripisyo ang pamilya at sariling kapakanan para sa bayan. Lao na sa mga kabataan na lumaki sa isang bansang nagkakanya-kanya at ang salitang "makabayan" ay wala nang kahulugan.

Alam yan ng mga tao sa likod ng R.P. Team kaya nag-alok ng kabayaran. May negosasyon pa nga sa halaga ;D

Kung si Pacquiao nga na lumalaban daw para sa karangalan ng bayan pag di nagustuhan ang hatihan sa bayad, umaatras ;)

Para sa akin walang pinagkaiba ang mga pumirma ng kontrata at ang mga umayaw.

thadzonline
02-09-2009, 04:51 PM
heto lang: kung talagang hilaw dati si dondon, sa tingin mo ba'y may magkaka-interes na kunin sya para maglaro sa manila? kayo na rin ang may sabing hanggang intrams lang sya sa USJ-R at sa UC sya nahubog bilang varsity player. ibig sabihin, alam nya mismong kelangan pa nyang magpahinog. however, he later became a household word because of his success in cebu gems, and he didn't wait for the league to implode before joining san miguel as a PBA direct hire. yan yung opportunity na sinasabi ko.

SMB was not the first opportunity for Dondon to fly to Manila. Remember, UC, as well as a number of other Cebu teams(UV, SWU, USJ-R) actually had good runs in the NSBC of the mid-90's. Manila college scouts have already been wanting Dondon since he was still playing college ball for UC. The reason why he was included in the Cebu Gems lineup was simply because he was among Cebu's brightest collegiate stars that time, no longer that diamond in the rough playing intramurals ball for USJ-R. One should note then how much improvement Dondon went through while at UC.



it was not my intention to disrespect CESAFI, despite its dismal record in champions' league play against UAAP and NCAA teams. seriously, if you want the league to be more competitive, there should be a mechanism for transferring the latest basketball knowledge, skills training, diet and conditioning, and coaching ideas from manila and the rest of the world to cebu. no one is disputing the amount of sheer basketball talent in the visayas. it's just a matter of reaching out to them while they are still coachable and can unlearn ineffective habits. that goes for players, coaches, training assistants, and those in management.


technology transfer is actually a good suggestion but tell me, how many Manila coaches, scouts, and other basketball personalities come to the Visayas to really, and I mean really, come here to transfer technology? How many of them actually come to serve their schools' or mother teams' self-interest. The idea is noble, send the right people

thadzonline
02-09-2009, 05:04 PM
yes, the time is now. we don't want another samigue eman in the making, or a big man who got stunted in his development for his initial reluctance to play really big-time ball and get specialized coaching until it's a tad too late. after being drafted by san miguel, nasan na sya ngayon? while guys like hontiveros, lanete, and hugnatan jumped on the first chance they got to play in manila, junmar continues to bide his time, content on letting others make decisions for him. now if people think that's fine, ok no problem. pero umaandar ang metro...


just in case you did not know, it took all 3 or 4 years of Dondon Hontiveros' college basketball eligibility and a stint in the MBA's Cebu Gems before Dondon actually decided to move to Manila and he did not jump on the first opportunity he got. As mateen mentioned, he didn't turn out too bad, did he. It's the same program JF is at. Dondon was a benchwarmer at the Don Bosco High School five and went on to study college sans a basketball scholarship at USJ-R. A UC scout spotted him playing intramurals basketball at USJ-R and that's how he got to UC. UC coaches worked on his game and he went on to become one of Cebu's best in basketball lately.

To insinuate that the CeSAFI is a mediocre league is unfortunate and shows too much disrespect for Cebu basketball. While CeSAFI may not be as good as the UAAP or even the NCAA yet, debate is ripe whether to let it stay mediocre by stunting its development and negate the large gains and strides it has taken in the past few years or by letting it grow and have a positive impact on the grassroots programs of the national federation. Then again, this is off-topic.


Its true that Dondon Hontiveros is playing well in the PBA right now, but he is only one example versus many. Where is Rino Berame now, for example?

In situations like this, we have to cite the fate of the MAJORITY of the players, rather than the exceptions. Expecting Junmar to end up like Dondon is possible, but not highly probable, when you look at the odds out there. The odds are against him, 'ika nga.'


In the same light we ask, where's Pep Moore, Omanzie Rodriguez, Don Yabut, Vincent Sandiego, Frederic Canlas, Naningga, and a lot more. Or let's say Gec Chia deserves that spot more than say a Bruce Dacia, Gerry Cavan or Jojo Tangkay(because he is more skilled?).



Look at Greg Slaughter now. CESAFI MVP, and he still have trouble adjusting against better competition. In the two exhibition games against PBA teams, he couldn't even give out decent numbers, as opposed to UAAP MVP Rabeh Al-Husseini, who played well in those games.

But, then again, there is no guarantee that Junmar will improve his game even if he is brought to play in Manila. 'Baka hanggang Cebu lang talaga ang talent niya.' We will see in a couple of years when he finally starts playing in the PBL.


2 games a confident gauge? I dont think so. GS knows he is not ripe for the pros because if he thinks he is, you will not see him sign that SBP contract. In fact, he had to ask me about it because he thought 3 years was an awful lot of time to just get the minimum allowance compared to his teammates

Schortsanitis
02-09-2009, 06:34 PM
In the same light we ask, where's Pep Moore, Omanzie Rodriguez, Don Yabut, Vincent Sandiego, Frederic Canlas, Naningga, and a lot more. Or let's say Gec Chia deserves that spot more than say a Bruce Dacia, Gerry Cavan or Jojo Tangkay(because he is more skilled?).

Those guys are obviously lacking in skill, that's why they didn't make it. Besides, for every Vincent San Diego out there, you have guys like J.R. Reyes, Kerby Raymundo, etc.

Am basing my observations on facts, that Manila right now has most of the best players in the country, the best teams, and the best coaches. That is an undeniable fact, based on actual serious competitions.

Because of that, guys like Fajardo has the best chance of testing their worth, and possibly improving his game by playing against the best competition available.

pio_valenz
02-09-2009, 07:19 PM
Why is everybody picking on Fajardo? How come nobody has taken Arvie Bringas or Paul Lee to task for also not joining the national pool?

Schortsanitis
02-09-2009, 07:38 PM
I just felt that Junmar would benefit more in training under Toroman, and playing for the NT. He's about the only other promising 6'9" player in college right now aside from Slaughter.

JV Casio and Maierhoffer, those guys are likely to be turning pro, going to the next level, so to speak. They have been in college for so long now. As for Menor, he could've used the training and exposure under Toroman, but if he doesn't want to, then its his loss. Besides, there are many players in his position who are better in some aspects. I love the way he played in the NCAA, but has anybody noticed he has been kind of struggling in the PBL?

Now, in Junmar's case, there's no replacement. There are no other player in college as tall as he is, and with his promise.

tigerman
02-09-2009, 08:04 PM
Arellano, Menor and Maierhofer will apply for this year's PBA draft

http://www.ngetstudio.com/Team-Pilip...e-e9795647b712





USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

digitalsuperman
02-09-2009, 09:09 PM
I just felt that Junmar would benefit more in training under Toroman, and playing for the NT.* He's about the only other promising 6'9" player in college right now aside from Slaughter.*

JV Casio and Maierhoffer, those guys are likely to be turning pro, going to the next level, so to speak.* They have been in college for so long now.* As for Menor, he could've used the training and exposure under Toroman, but if he doesn't want to, then its his loss.* Besides, there are many players in his position who are better in some aspects.* I love the way he played in the NCAA, but has anybody noticed he has been kind of struggling in the PBL?*

Now, in Junmar's case, there's no replacement.* There are no other player in college as tall as he is, and with his promise.

i understand your point. manila is going to be great for fajardo.i've seen him play and i tell you he's a diamond in the rough. the guy has a good outside shooting touch but with an international exposure..i'm sure he'd do well..

lovejones
02-09-2009, 10:56 PM
To insinuate that the CeSAFI is a mediocre league is unfortunate and shows too much disrespect for Cebu basketball. While CeSAFI may not be as good as the UAAP or even the NCAA yet, debate is ripe whether to let it stay mediocre by stunting its development and negate the large gains and strides it has taken in the past few years or by letting it grow and have a positive impact on the grassroots programs of the national federation. Then again, this is off-topic.


That CESAFI is inferior to the UAAP and NCAA is not an insinuation nor is it a show of disrespect. It is merely a fact that a person like you who loves ballyhooing the Visayas basketball scene should just accept. Hopefully the CESAFI would become better but, right now, I believe that your league should only have a slot in the Sweet 16 of the PCCL, and not the Elite 8 because, talent-wise, your best teams aren't just good enough. Good thing that CESAFI MVP Greg Slaughter has finally seen the light and packed his bags for Manila.

D_I_A
02-09-2009, 11:42 PM
SBP, Toroman look West to make strong RP team
Daily Tribune
By Julius Manicad
02/10/2009

Rajko Toroman admitted having a difficult time finding the right pieces that would complete the country’s basketball puzzle.

And with the lack of a potent naturalized player and the departure of three celebrated collegiate stalwarts, the road to victory just became even more unpredictable.

Toroman, the crafty Serbian mentor tapped to put the country back in the world basketball map, yesterday admitted that assembling a title-contender squad is easier said than done, especially now that some good players would rather try their luck elsewhere than suit up for Team Philippines.

Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is looking at the possibility of signing American Chris Taft, a 6-foot-10, 24-year-old draftee of the Golden State Warriors in the 2005 NBA draft.

“We are still talking to one guy, Chris Taft,” Toroman said. “But still we have to see what kind of condition he is, what kind of injury he has, and we still have to talk about the financial things before we can decide.”

“We also want a position 5 (center), but everybody in Europe is searching for good (players) at position 5,” he added. “It’s very difficult to find younger players — 6’10, 6’11 — who want to join us because if he’s good, he will definitely play in Europe. But we’ll try to do something.”

Former Ateneo de Manila University star Japhet Aguilar is also expected to join, but so far, SBP has yet to receive any significant word regarding the arrival of the 6-foot-9 beanpole.

Aguilar, son of former PBA player Peter, is still campaigning with the Western Kentucky University in the Division I of the US NCAA. Reports have it that he will come up with decision whether to play here or not after the March Madness anytime next month.

Without Aguilar, and the absence of Rico Maierhofer, Ogie Menor and Marcy Arellano, the initial 25-man pool is now down to 13 with only Gregory Slaughter, Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Jason Ballesteros patrolling the paint.

“We’re also having a little problem with the position 4 (power forward) and if we find a Filipino-American who can fill out that position, we can be very, very competitive,” Toroman said.

Despite the cloud of doubt surrounding the team, the 58-year-old Toroman expressed optimism on his current lineup, claiming that the two previous exhibition matches with PBA squads served as a perfect gauge to determine their preparation.

SBP executive director Noli Eala earlier said the squad has yet to practice with its complete roster. It, in fact, has just started its short-term, six-month program to culminate with a special participation in a regular PBA season by October.

“I think we will be ready by October,” Toroman said. “Remember, forming this team is not an overnight process.”

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Despite snubs, Toroman still hopeful in finding the right mix
Sports
Written by Joel Orellana / Reporter
Monday, 09 February 2009 22:53

SERBIAN Rajko Toroman is still having difficulty finding the right materials that could propel the country back on the world basketball map.

With the refusal of three amateur stars to commit themselves to the team and the uncertainty of finding an effective naturalized player, the road back to the Olympics seemed bumpier for the national team of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP).

Toroman, the man tasked to fulfill the Olympic dream, admitted that forming a real competitive squad is easier said than done—especially that some candidates are entertaining doubts about his program.

“Sometimes, the players are still confused with the system but that’s okay because this is something new to them. What matters to me is they show character,” Toroman said after his Smart Gilas RP 5 bowed to Rain or Shine by only three points, 81-84, in an exhibition match on Sunday at the Araneta Coliseum.

Losing Marcy Arellano, Ogie Menor and Rico Maierhofer in the developmental pool was a big blow but Toroman, like the other SBP officials, is undaunted.

He is focused on how to make the team more competitive in the coming months. Tapping a naturalized player remains an option, he said.

“Searching is very difficult,” said Toroman. “It’s hard to find younger players who are six-foot-10 or six-foot-11 because if he’s good, probably he’ll play in Europe. But we’ll try to do something.”

SBP is currently talking to the handler of Chris Taft, a six-foot-10, 24-year-old draftee of the Golden State Warriors in the 2005 National Basketball Association.

“But still we have to see [what kind of condition he is], what kind of injury he has, and we still have to talk about the financial [things] before we can decide,” said Toroman.

“Our goal now is to improve [the game] of Greg Slaughter, Rabeh Al-Hussaini and maybe Japeth Aguilar and see if we still need a new big guy,” he added.

Aguilar is currently playing for the Western Kentucky University in the United States National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) men’s basketball tournament but has expressed his desire to play for the national team after his stint there.

Besides the six-foot-10 Aguilar, Toroman said he is considering University of the East standout Paul Lee.

The Serbian, who led Iran to its first Olympic stint in Beijing last year, is confident that in six months his team would be ready in the next season of the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) where they will play as a guest team.

“We want to be competitive in the PBA come October,” said Toroman. “We’re already competitive after one month of practising. That’s great for us and it shows that we’re on the right way.”

easter
02-10-2009, 09:43 AM
I like this team and it is quite promising. I was surprised on how they went toe-to-toe with a pro team. Some will say that the pros might not be going all-out but this team is also practicing together for only a few months so they are quite promising.

This team really needs to go out of the country and play with international brand of basketball in order to improve.

thadzonline
02-10-2009, 10:33 AM
In the same light we ask, where's Pep Moore, Omanzie Rodriguez, Don Yabut, Vincent Sandiego, Frederic Canlas, Naningga, and a lot more. Or let's say Gec Chia deserves that spot more than say a Bruce Dacia, Gerry Cavan or Jojo Tangkay(because he is more skilled?).

Those guys are obviously lacking in skill, that's why they didn't make it. Besides, for every Vincent San Diego out there, you have guys like J.R. Reyes, Kerby Raymundo, etc.

Pep Moore, Don Yabut and Omanzie Rodriguez were such vital parts of such great teams(even champion teams).



Am basing my observations on facts, that Manila right now has most of the best players in the country, the best teams, and the best coaches. That is an undeniable fact, based on actual serious competitions.

I do not deny that, but going back to kid_cubao and technology transfer, how do you think we should fare as a basketball nation if and only if your much-ballyhooed technology is spread across the country and manila teams not having to pull out the PJ Walshams from Baguio, the Bam Gamalindas and JR Cawalings from Northern Mindanao, the Mark Barrocas from Zamboanga, the Nonoy Baclaos from Bacolod, the Jervy Cruz's from Nueva Ecija, etc? These guys are in their own right, good players, even when they were not yet in Manila. True, they must have gotten better when they went to Manila, but for how long do we just be content that the "better" competition stays in Manila and the "better" technology stays in Manila negating whatever positive contribution the countryside can pitch in should they be given the right environment to develop their local players, the right technology to bridge that gap in level of competition and training, and by raising the bar of competitions not by the exodus of their best players to the big city but by benefiting from these good players staying in their localities and still getting better.



Because of that, guys like Fajardo has the best chance of testing their worth, and possibly improving his game by playing against the best competition available.


Yeah, true, but what's it to me if the kid has already made his decision? Look, if this was about the money, you can be sure Fajardo will jump right into that SBP pool. Take this: if he joins the SBP pool, he gets at least Php 40,000 a month in allowances + free accommodations and travel expenses to and from Cebu. Now compare that to what he gets at UC, Php 3,000 monthly and free board and lodging. He pays for his fare from his dorm to UC's practice facility. He knows for sure, he can't take the stresses that comes along with it, that it's going to take a toll on his studies. Remember that aside from injuries during his 2nd season, he also struggled with his academics. He almost did not make it to last year's CeSAFI for the same reason I was told. So JF knows where he stands and he knows too well that if he were to join that NT pool, he has to commit full-time. While many people saw that scrapped CeSAFI rule about "NT players not allowed to play CeSAFI" as unpatriotic, the very essence of that rule was so that those NT pool members can actually give their full-time commitment to the endeavor. They can come back after their stint in the NT. Take GS for example. Do you think he is healthy enough for the RP Team, for UV and for his academic pursuits? That's just so much in his plate. He realized that when he took a leave of absence from UV in the Partners Cup. But come the CeSAFI regular season, the NT has good reason to worry about GS' commitments.

oca
02-10-2009, 11:44 AM
Take this comment solely in reference to a "big man" playing the game.

IMO, Cesafi or any league other than the UAAP or NCAA is not the best venue to develop a big man for the obvious lack of competitive opposition.

Kung uno, dos, o tres yan. Walang duda, pwedeng pahinugin ang isang player sa Cesafi. Duda ako sa quatro at lalong walang i-aangat ang cinco dyan.

Kung ang punto ay para di mapabayaan ang pag-aaral, walang nang diskusyon, manatili ka sa Cebu o kung saang liga. Pero duda ako na aangat ang laro ng bata, kumpara kung narito yan sa NCR.

Big man ka at gusto mong umangat laro mo?

Dito ka sa NCR!

College ka palang?

Pilitin mo makapaglaro sa UAAP o NCAA!

duphaR007
02-10-2009, 12:16 PM
Sa panahon ngayon, mahirap ikalakal ang salitang "makabayan" para makumbinse na isakripisyo ang pamilya at sariling kapakanan para sa bayan. Lao na sa mga kabataan na lumaki sa isang bansang nagkakanya-kanya at ang salitang "makabayan" ay wala nang kahulugan.*

Alam yan ng mga tao sa likod ng R.P. Team kaya nag-alok ng kabayaran. May negosasyon pa nga sa halaga ;D

Kung si Pacquiao nga na lumalaban daw para sa karangalan ng bayan pag di nagustuhan ang hatihan sa bayad, umaatras ;)

Para sa akin walang pinagkaiba ang mga pumirma ng kontrata at ang mga umayaw.


good point! nice one. drop that flag and country thing.

Sam Miguel
02-10-2009, 12:22 PM
Post players need to learn the game from the best coaches and programs in the country, all of whom are in Metro Manila. Kudos to Jericho De Guzman, who seems to have gotten a clue and is now with San Sebastian. De Guzman is a stick-thin 6-foot-9 but he is still 6-foot-9. He's slow and still does not have meaningful basketball instincts. Runt 6-foot-2 post players in the ongoing Fr Martin Open simply outmaneuver and/or out-muscle him, never mind full-sized centers and power forwards 6-foot-5 or bigger. But at least one can see he is learning how to space himself on the floor, move to his spot and counter depending on the movement of the ball and what the defense shows.

Greg Slaughter, for all his improvement over the last two years, was exposed as a godawfully lead-footed and plodding player in the PCCL. Elmer Espiritu, standing at least eight inches shorter and giving up at least 50 pounds to Slaughter, took the big Cebu-based Filipino-American to school. The super athletic UE forward grabbed 19 rebounds in their Sweet 16 game and rejected two of Slaughter's shots. Heaven forbid Slaughter should ever face guys his size in international competition now. *

Rajko Toroman has done good work for the developmental team and he is blessed with at least two guys around 6-foot-8 who have benefited from great coaching and top-level competition in Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Jason Ballesteros. Unfortunately he is still lacking in overall size. Getting Japeth Aguilar should be a step in the right direction, maybe even Gian Chiu. Both have benefited from good American competition, especially Aguilar, and should make an immediate impact as 6-foot-10 center-forward types.

pio_valenz
02-10-2009, 03:00 PM
Sa panahon ngayon, mahirap ikalakal ang salitang "makabayan" para makumbinse na isakripisyo ang pamilya at sariling kapakanan para sa bayan. Lao na sa mga kabataan na lumaki sa isang bansang nagkakanya-kanya at ang salitang "makabayan" ay wala nang kahulugan.*

Alam yan ng mga tao sa likod ng R.P. Team kaya nag-alok ng kabayaran. May negosasyon pa nga sa halaga ;D

Kung si Pacquiao nga na lumalaban daw para sa karangalan ng bayan pag di nagustuhan ang hatihan sa bayad, umaatras ;)

Para sa akin walang pinagkaiba ang mga pumirma ng kontrata at ang mga umayaw.


good point! nice one. drop that flag and country thing.*


Not a fair comparison at all. Pacquiao is a professional fighter, and professional fighters get paid to fight. If he says he wishes to dedicate his fights to the Filipino people, then let him. Nothing wrong with that, nothing hypocritical about that. He never said he's fighting for free. He is merely saying it's an honor to be fighting for Filipinos. When he fights, the Filipino people watch. Is he supposed to ignore all of this devotion and passion?

If he wants to renegotiate a fight contract because he thinks it's not fair, then that by all means is his right as a professional fighter. What the hell is wrong with doing that, why should this be taken against him, and why should his patriotism be questioned because of this?

I've just about had it with all these Pacquiao haters who seem to want to find fault in everything he does. Nung una kesyo mayabang daw si Pacman. Tapos, kesyo hindi naman talaga mahusay (duh!). Ngayon naman, kesyo hipkrito daw. Oh please. Let the man box, let him entertain us, let him get rich because of it. Nothing wrong with that. If you don't like him, then don't watch him and try not to get bothered by everything he does.

Sorry for the off-topic rant, mods. Just had to vent. At para hindi naman totally off-topic, walang isyu sa akin ang bigyan ng sweldo ang mga players. The SBP is just being realistic. Ang isyu sa akin, sa tingin ko ang ibang ibang players hindi worth it na bigyan ng ganun kalaking halaga. Gagastos ka na rin lang ng ganun kalaki, sana sa mas mahusay na player na lang.

Mang_Roger
02-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Sa panahon ngayon, mahirap ikalakal ang salitang "makabayan" para makumbinse na isakripisyo ang pamilya at sariling kapakanan para sa bayan. Lao na sa mga kabataan na lumaki sa isang bansang nagkakanya-kanya at ang salitang "makabayan" ay wala nang kahulugan.*

Alam yan ng mga tao sa likod ng R.P. Team kaya nag-alok ng kabayaran. May negosasyon pa nga sa halaga ;D

Kung si Pacquiao nga na lumalaban daw para sa karangalan ng bayan pag di nagustuhan ang hatihan sa bayad, umaatras ;)

Para sa akin walang pinagkaiba ang mga pumirma ng kontrata at ang mga umayaw.


good point! nice one. drop that flag and country thing.*


Not a fair comparison at all. Pacquiao is a professional fighter, and professional fighters get paid to fight. If he says he wishes to dedicate his fights to the Filipino people, then let him. Nothing wrong with that, nothing hypocritical about that. He never said he's fighting for free. He is merely saying it's an honor to be fighting for Filipinos. When he fights, the Filipino people watch. Is he supposed to ignore all of this devotion and passion?

If he wants to renegotiate a fight contract because he thinks it's not fair, then that by all means is his right as a professional fighter. What the hell is wrong with doing that, why should this be taken against him, and why should his patriotism be questioned because of this?

I've just about had it with all these Pacquiao haters who seem to want to find fault in everything he does. Nung una kesyo mayabang daw si Pacman. Tapos, kesyo hindi naman talaga mahusay (duh!). Ngayon naman, kesyo hipkrito daw. Oh please. Let the man box, let him entertain us, let him get rich because of it. Nothing wrong with that. If you don't like him, then don't watch him and try not to get bothered by everything he does.

Sorry for the off-topic rant, mods. Just had to vent. At para hindi naman totally off-topic, walang isyu sa akin ang bigyan ng sweldo ang mga players. The SBP is just being realistic. Ang isyu sa akin, sa tingin ko ang ibang ibang players hindi worth it na bigyan ng ganun kalaking halaga. Gagastos ka na rin lang ng ganun kalaki, sana sa mas mahusay na player na lang.


No need to go overboard by using the strong words "Pacquiao haters". Moreso, if you just based your conclusion on a few lines of posts.

I never questioned Pacquiao's patriotism. You squeezed too much out of nothing.

I used Pacquiao as an exmple because he has been the modern day symbol of the flag and country. Heck, he is even called "Pambansang Kamao". He even has a song with the lyrics..."para sa iyo ang laban na ito"* Pacquiao has been saying that he fights for the country and he is branded as a Filipino hero. Fine. I have no qualms about that. I do not even blame him if he puts premium on the amount of share he will get for a given fight. If he is fighting solely for the pride and honor of the country, then he would never consider a price tag for any of his succeeding fights. But then again, he has other priorities besides fighting for the flag and country. Several factors are tossed in the mix. And that is my point.

Loosen up. Sige ka baka talunin ni Haton ang idol mo (biro lang para bumaba blood pressure mo ;D).

clutchjedi
02-10-2009, 04:52 PM
At para hindi naman totally off-topic, walang isyu sa akin ang bigyan ng sweldo ang mga players. The SBP is just being realistic. Ang isyu sa akin, sa tingin ko ang ibang ibang players hindi worth it na bigyan ng ganun kalaking halaga. Gagastos ka na rin lang ng ganun kalaki, sana sa mas mahusay na player na lang.


Yes - I think that's the thought some if not a lot of pinoy bball fans may be having.

Of course, we're very grateful to the SBP for the effort in putting together a real plan and program, and the sponsors who have generously bankrolled it so far. I can't stress that enough.

As a bball fan, one can't help but wonder though - from what we've seen of Asian powers like China, Iran, Korea, Lebanon, Kazakhstan, and given the (young) players we have, what could we realistically achieve with the best coaching and training?

I really hope I'm wrong, but it's hard for me to see this young team beating China, Iran, etc. by 2011. I do dream we could be like an Argentina-2002, winning with teamwork, precision and accuracy, and that a naturalized center could help keep games close...but my more logical side tells me that Asia's best have their best players and more money and train even longer...

Still, whatever team is built, of course I will support and cheer.

I guess the question though is, given the money the SBP has, is this the best plan and team we could assemble? *Considering the attitude of the PBA, how else could the SBP build a better team than this? *

My thought is that, it's probably not realistic in the short term. And if after 2011-2012 these kids all go to the PBA and the NT starts again with new kids, then it might be a cycle of wasted money and effort. The best scenario would be if they could somehow keep these kids together for several years beyond 2012.

Maybe they could work some arrangement with the PBA, that these players can be drafted but remain designated as "on-call" for the NT. Like a 50-50 arrangement where the players are "loaned" to the NT say 6 months a year, and the SBP covers part of the salary. So it's clear from the start that PBA teams can draft them, but get only half-season's play from them.

'Cause if we're serious about being Asia's best, I doubt we can do it without our best players.

easter
02-10-2009, 06:05 PM
Ang isyu sa akin, sa tingin ko ang ibang ibang players hindi worth it na bigyan ng ganun kalaking halaga. Gagastos ka na rin lang ng ganun kalaki, sana sa mas mahusay na player na lang.


But the reality is they can't get the best players since they are in the PBA. Kahit nga di galing PBA di pa din minsan kinukuha ang alok eh. Plus hindi naman lahat ng players bibigyan ng malaking sweldo yung mga eligible lang na mag PBA na at this point. Yung ibang players allowance lang din.

pio_valenz
02-10-2009, 06:57 PM
Ang isyu sa akin, sa tingin ko ang ibang ibang players hindi worth it na bigyan ng ganun kalaking halaga. Gagastos ka na rin lang ng ganun kalaki, sana sa mas mahusay na player na lang.


But the reality is they can't get the best players since they are in the PBA. Kahit nga di galing PBA di pa din minsan kinukuha ang alok eh. Plus hindi naman lahat ng players bibigyan ng malaking sweldo yung mga eligible lang na mag PBA na at this point. Yung ibang players allowance lang din.

I wasn't really referring to the PBA players. I guess what I'm saying is that some of the players on Toroman's team aren't really the best amateurs we have (at least in my opinion). For example, even though I'm from UP, I think Magi Sison isn't as skilled as, say, JR Sena of JRU, who wasn't invited back, if I'm not mistaken. And I also think Mike Silungan should have been given a slot. I know he did try out, but for some reason was not asked back.

Mang_Roger, point taken. Peace out.

digitalsuperman
02-10-2009, 07:06 PM
reading the discussions..i really like it..this is what i call a healthy discussion..keep it clean guys...

Mang_Roger
02-10-2009, 07:24 PM
Ang isyu sa akin, sa tingin ko ang ibang ibang players hindi worth it na bigyan ng ganun kalaking halaga. Gagastos ka na rin lang ng ganun kalaki, sana sa mas mahusay na player na lang.


But the reality is they can't get the best players since they are in the PBA. Kahit nga di galing PBA di pa din minsan kinukuha ang alok eh. Plus hindi naman lahat ng players bibigyan ng malaking sweldo yung mga eligible lang na mag PBA na at this point. Yung ibang players allowance lang din.

I wasn't really referring to the PBA players. I guess what I'm saying is that some of the players on Toroman's team aren't really the best amateurs we have (at least in my opinion). For example, even though I'm from UP, I think Magi Sison isn't as skilled as, say, JR Sena of JRU, who wasn't invited back, if I'm not mistaken. And I also think Mike Silungan should have been given a slot. I know he did try out, but for some reason was not asked back.

Mang_Roger, point taken. Peace out.




Same here. It's all good.

easter
02-10-2009, 07:31 PM
Ang isyu sa akin, sa tingin ko ang ibang ibang players hindi worth it na bigyan ng ganun kalaking halaga. Gagastos ka na rin lang ng ganun kalaki, sana sa mas mahusay na player na lang.


But the reality is they can't get the best players since they are in the PBA. Kahit nga di galing PBA di pa din minsan kinukuha ang alok eh. Plus hindi naman lahat ng players bibigyan ng malaking sweldo yung mga eligible lang na mag PBA na at this point. Yung ibang players allowance lang din.

I wasn't really referring to the PBA players. I guess what I'm saying is that some of the players on Toroman's team aren't really the best amateurs we have (at least in my opinion). For example, even though I'm from UP, I think Magi Sison isn't as skilled as, say, JR Sena of JRU, who wasn't invited back, if I'm not mistaken. And I also think Mike Silungan should have been given a slot. I know he did try out, but for some reason was not asked back.

Mang_Roger, point taken. Peace out.



Well papasok na dyan ang beauty is in the eyes of the beholder aspect.

Siguro may mga nakita si Toroman sa present crop of players na babagay or makakasunod sa program nya.*

About Sena, Toroman in fact mentioned Sena when he first came to Hardball. He liked his game but he had some criticisms which I think he said Sena should've learned when he was young. Parang ganito but I could be wrong though.

Dark Knight
02-10-2009, 08:14 PM
To quote Kurt Bachmann during his interview by FHM in issue April of 2005.

FHM : Unfortunately, our former whipping boys have been dominating us now. What happened?

Bachmann : Our dominance went out the window because weve become a know-it-all. Then there are players now that care more about earning than playing for the country. Some players who already earn millions even find excuses not to play for the Philippines. Thats the most disgusting thing ive ever heard.

The topic was about the Philippine Teams preparation for the qualifying slot for the 2008 Beijing Olympics headed by Chot Reyes.

Kurt Bachmann was a member of the 1962 RP Team that won the Asian Games championship in Jakarta. His teammates includes Caloy Loyzaga and Roel Nadurata to name a few.

digitalsuperman
02-10-2009, 09:32 PM
^sad to say but true.. but you cant blame sbp for offering them money to play for the country. i mean they have a family to feed somehow and this is the way sbp is trying to do for this guys so that their family woudn't get hungry so-to-speak. but somehow, i just don't understand those three guys who refused the contract. ogie menor would be a great boost to the team and of all his accomplishments as a basketball player, it would've been better to add a medal around his neck come asian games if the team succeeds. for maiehoffer and arellano, i don't know their reasons but if they weren't satisfied, they could've aired their concerns to sbp, im sure sbp would want to hear their side of it.after all it was called a deal where in fact two sides should be able to come up with an agreement. but im sure they have their own reasons. a reason i do not know and may not understand but i have to respect.

joelex
02-11-2009, 01:00 AM
have to agree though that this is different era already and no one should blame the players if they decide on the bigger payday. Im willing to bet each and everyone of us here wont be playing for flag and country training hard everyday and giving up our dayjobs for mere allowances. So quit it with the whole playing for country issues. Its all about the money in the end.

CrossOver
02-11-2009, 02:51 AM
At para hindi naman totally off-topic, walang isyu sa akin ang bigyan ng sweldo ang mga players. The SBP is just being realistic. Ang isyu sa akin, sa tingin ko ang ibang ibang players hindi worth it na bigyan ng ganun kalaking halaga. Gagastos ka na rin lang ng ganun kalaki, sana sa mas mahusay na player na lang.


Yes - I think that's the thought some if not a lot of pinoy bball fans may be having.

Of course, we're very grateful to the SBP for the effort in putting together a real plan and program, and the sponsors who have generously bankrolled it so far. I can't stress that enough.

As a bball fan, one can't help but wonder though - from what we've seen of Asian powers like China, Iran, Korea, Lebanon, Kazakhstan, and given the (young) players we have, what could we realistically achieve with the best coaching and training?

I really hope I'm wrong, but it's hard for me to see this young team beating China, Iran, etc. by 2011. I do dream we could be like an Argentina-2002, winning with teamwork, precision and accuracy, and that a naturalized center could help keep games close...but my more logical side tells me that Asia's best have their best players and more money and train even longer...

Still, whatever team is built, of course I will support and cheer.

I guess the question though is, given the money the SBP has, is this the best plan and team we could assemble?* Considering the attitude of the PBA, how else could the SBP build a better team than this?*

My thought is that, it's probably not realistic in the short term. And if after 2011-2012 these kids all go to the PBA and the NT starts again with new kids, then it might be a cycle of wasted money and effort. The best scenario would be if they could somehow keep these kids together for several years beyond 2012.

Maybe they could work some arrangement with the PBA, that these players can be drafted but remain designated as "on-call" for the NT. Like a 50-50 arrangement where the players are "loaned" to the NT say 6 months a year, and the SBP covers part of the salary. So it's clear from the start that PBA teams can draft them, but get only half-season's play from them.

'Cause if we're serious about being Asia's best, I doubt we can do it without our best players.



May isinaayos na age bracket ang SBP para sa RP Youth (U14, U16, U18 etc...) na isasabak sa mga international competition. Tandaan na hindi lang hanggang sa magqualify sa 2011 FIBA Asia ang programa ng SBP it's way beyond at malamang yung mga nasa RP Youth ang future Sr. ng RP Team imagine at their young age magkakasama na sila. Bago palang naisasa-ayos ang programa kaya I don't expect to much sa 2012 Olympics & I believe na mas makikita natin ang bunga sa 2016.

Kid Cubao
02-11-2009, 04:41 AM
Ang isyu sa akin, sa tingin ko ang ibang ibang players hindi worth it na bigyan ng ganun kalaking halaga. Gagastos ka na rin lang ng ganun kalaki, sana sa mas mahusay na player na lang.


But the reality is they can't get the best players since they are in the PBA. Kahit nga di galing PBA di pa din minsan kinukuha ang alok eh. Plus hindi naman lahat ng players bibigyan ng malaking sweldo yung mga eligible lang na mag PBA na at this point. Yung ibang players allowance lang din.

iba yung national team na binubuo ng PBA players. that one is being handled by coach yeng guiao.

thadzonline
02-11-2009, 09:14 AM
on the surface, maganda tingnan, but honestly, I havent seen much in terms of effort na iangat ang level of competitions sa grassroots or in the countryside which, I believe, should be the foundation for a really long-term basketball program. I dream of the era where UAAP/NCAA teams will no longer have to pull out the Jervy Cruz's from Nueva Ecija, the PJ Walshams from Baguio, the JR Cawalings, Bam Gamalindas, Micole Sorelas from Northern Mindanao, the Mark Barrocas and Robbie Lingganays from Zamboanga, the Ron Cabagnots from Cebu. Instead, UAAP/NCAA teams would rather insist on developing their homegrown programs and still get the same or even better results than having to scour the entire archipelago for rough diamonds which by then could be developed right in their own localities because the right technology is made available nationwide. Question is just how much self-interest are we willing to give up?

oca
02-11-2009, 09:20 AM
pareng thadz... kahit sa Estados Unidos ang recruitment ay cross-country, cross borders pa nga.

For a player to stay in the city, province or region where he learned the game, there must be a reason or incentive to stay. That's for the "local" basketball leaders to address.

pio_valenz
02-11-2009, 09:28 AM
^I agree with Oca. Parang sinabi mo na rin na hindi pwedeng mag-aral sa Metro Manila ang mga dayuhang estudyante.

thadzonline
02-11-2009, 10:22 AM
what I meant was not for the sole reason of getting better at basketball if they can do so in their locales. It's a long way to go yet, but its not impossible if we start taking steps

oca
02-11-2009, 10:58 AM
what I meant was not for the sole reason of getting better at basketball if they can do so in their locales. It's a long way to go yet, but its not impossible if we start taking steps


Magaganap yan sa takdang panahon. (Sabay dasal.)

Kailan lang, kung papasok ka na sa kolehiyo, luluwas ka talaga ng Maynila. Pero di naglaon, bawat malaking probinsya at maunlad na lungsod ay nagkaroon na ng magagandang paaralan. Mula Baguio hanggang Zamboanga, marami nang mahusay na pamantasan.

15 or 20 years ago, those who can afford to send their kids to Manila or Cebu will not bother to consider schools in their localilty. Pero nagbago na.

How these various schools outside of Manila and Cebu reached the stature they have now can be attributed to dedicated and sincere educators and benefactors.

Now, if that same kind of dedication and sincerity can be exemplified by sports leaders in these various locales, maybe in one generation, NCR and Cebu will no longer be the only options for student athletes.

Schortsanitis
02-11-2009, 03:03 PM
* The main difference with Baguio, Nueva Ecija, etc. is that they acknowledge that the best local collegiate basketball leagues are in Manila, and are more than proud to send their representatives to there. When Jervy Cruz plays well in UST, for example, he is carrying the name of Nueva Ecija around with him, and his success is that province's success. They know that sending their best players to Manila, and seeing him become a success there means they can truly say their player is one of the best in the country now. No pretensions.

* The only way to develop Cebu basketball, is for it not to hire Fil-Foreigners, or to constantly congratulate each other how good they are, but thru constant exposure to games against UAAP and NCAA schools in real tournaments. That is why I have constantly been pushing for some of the Cebu schools to be involved in tournaments like the Fil-Oil and/or NSL. Of course there are problems with this. But unless this is done, I doubt if Cebu basketball will improve.

* Keeping Cebu talents where they are right now will not solve the problem of improving Cebu basketball. Even if they stay there, they are not exposed to the best players from other areas of the country. Hence all we see are teams with a false sense of pride and abilities.

lovejones
02-11-2009, 03:35 PM
what I meant was not for the sole reason of getting better at basketball if they can do so in their locales.* * *It's a long way to go yet, but its not impossible if we start taking steps


Great plan. Maybe Cebu should start doing that right now. Oh wait........didn't Tiukinhoy hang that infamous Noli Me Tangere sign in a gym down south? And, yeah, didn't the powers that be in UC say that there's nothing that the RP Team and Metro Manila can give to Fajardo which they can't provide?

I actually thought it was impossible but you guys are really taking the necessary steps to turn your precious CESAFI into North Korea.

To help you in your plan, you guys should pass an ordinance or commandment banning the internet and any transmission from the media that mentions the UAAP, NCAA, RP Team, or any school in the NCR, includiing Montessoris. Furthermore, you also should ban trips to and fro Cebu, whether by air, by sea, or by teleportation of any individual that may have anything to do with basketball (players, scouts, waterboys, etc). That way, your precious league would be safe from us bad guys in Metro Manila.

Good luck in your plan. Maybe in 100 years of controlled isolation, your players may actually sprout some wings.

thadzonline
02-11-2009, 03:51 PM
* The main difference with Baguio, Nueva Ecija, etc. is that they acknowledge that the best local collegiate basketball leagues are in Manila, and are more than proud to send their representatives to there. When Jervy Cruz plays well in UST, for example, he is carrying the name of Nueva Ecija around with him, and his success is that province's success. They know that sending their best players to Manila, and seeing him become a success there means they can truly say their player is one of the best in the country now. No pretensions.

I never disputed the fact that UAAP/NCAA, as of the moment is tops in terms of level of competition. But if we be content about the current status quo that Manila is where the nation's best basketball talent should be, we will not go far.



* The only way to develop Cebu basketball, is for it not to hire Fil-Foreigners, or to constantly congratulate each other how good they are, but thru constant exposure to games against UAAP and NCAA schools in real tournaments. That is why I have constantly been pushing for some of the Cebu schools to be involved in tournaments like the Fil-Oil and/or NSL. Of course there are problems with this. But unless this is done, I doubt if Cebu basketball will improve.

Now tell me, how many Manila schools actually want to face Cebu teams or any other provincial team for that matter just so they can have that exposure.



* Keeping Cebu talents where they are right now will not solve the problem of improving Cebu basketball. Even if they stay there, they are not exposed to the best players from other areas of the country. Hence all we see are teams with a false sense of pride and abilities.


In the same light, one could also wonder how many provincial talents are actually wasted because they languished on the bench or Team B's in Manila? Don't you find it funny that when guys like Omanzie Rodriguez, Don Yabut, Frederic Canlas, Vincent Sandiego, Raul Dillo, Naningga, Pep Moore, etc. despite getting training in Manila, are just dismissed as obviously lacking in skill when they went on to have mediocre or so-so basketball careers after college? And on the other hand, Rino Berame is bashed and blamed that because he played CeSAFI and not UAAP/NCAA, therefore he went on to have a mediocre hoops career after college.

We all know it's not a chicken and egg thing that when one ends up in Manila, he definitely is better off. We have to consider inherent skills even before these guys went on to Manila, or Cebu or elsewhere. You see, FEU would be a lot different without Zamboanga's Mark Barroca or CDO's JR Cawaling, AdMU would be less potent without Bacolod's Nonoy Baclao, DLSU will be less a contender without Mindoro's Rico Maierhofer and UST will struggle without Nueva Ecija's Jervy Cruz.

If we can see it from a broader perspective, there are a lot more possibilities, our grassroots can develop

thadzonline
02-11-2009, 04:03 PM
what I meant was not for the sole reason of getting better at basketball if they can do so in their locales. It's a long way to go yet, but its not impossible if we start taking steps


Great plan. Maybe Cebu should start doing that right now. Oh wait........didn't Tiukinhoy hang that infamous Noli Me Tangere sign in a gym down south? And, yeah, didn't the powers that be in UC say that there's nothing that the RP Team and Metro Manila can give to Fajardo which they can't provide?

oh yeah? you sure saw that? because AFAIK i haven't seen one. Too bad, media does not get their facts right most of the time.

ANd yeah, comparing how GS and JF improved between CeSAFI 2008 and the ongoing Partners Cup, while I didn't see much novelty in Greg's game, there was much in Fajardo's. Don't just jump on the gun just yet, coz Im not saying that Toroman did little to improve GS' game. What this shows is that some players actually can learn a few things faster than others no matter where they are. So then, hypothetically, Junmar could actually improved a lot had he joined Greg in Toroman's team granting that he seems to be the faster learner of the two. Yes, that's possible. Sadly, UC does not see it that way.



I actually thought it was impossible but you guys are really taking the necessary steps to turn your precious CESAFI into North Korea.

To help you in your plan, you guys should pass an ordinance or commandment banning the internet and any transmission from the media that mentions the UAAP, NCAA, RP Team, or any school in the NCR, includiing Montessoris. Furthermore, you also should ban trips to and fro Cebu, whether by air, by sea, or by teleportation of any individual that may have anything to do with basketball (players, scouts, waterboys, etc). That way, your precious league would be safe from us bad guys in Metro Manila.

Good luck in your plan. Maybe in 100 years of controlled isolation, your players may actually sprout some wings.


You dont get the point, do you? Take the case of NBTC, I suppose a program to help build the grassroots. But it seems it has become a farm for Manila schools to advance their basketball programs. It doesn't just happen in college pal, it happens as early as early high school or late elementary.

And if you insist on the "unpatriotic" tone on Fajardo, let me remind you about the PBA, the PBL and some UAAP/NCAA schools who have refused to lend their players to the NT in the past. Now, tell me the difference.

Schortsanitis
02-11-2009, 04:45 PM
In the same light, one could also wonder how many provincial talents are actually wasted because they languished on the bench* or Team B's in Manila? Don't you find it funny that when guys like Omanzie Rodriguez, Don Yabut, Frederic Canlas, Vincent Sandiego, Raul Dillo, Naningga, Pep Moore, etc. despite getting training in Manila, are just dismissed as obviously lacking in skill when they went on to have mediocre or so-so basketball careers after college? And on the other hand, Rino Berame is bashed and blamed that because he played CeSAFI and not UAAP/NCAA, therefore he went on to have a mediocre hoops career after college.

We all know it's not a chicken and egg thing that when one ends up in Manila, he definitely is better off. We have to consider inherent skills even before these guys went on to Manila, or Cebu or elsewhere. You see, FEU would be a lot different without Zamboanga's Mark Barroca or CDO's JR Cawaling, AdMU would be less potent without Bacolod's Nonoy Baclao, DLSU will be less a contender without Mindoro's Rico Maierhofer and UST will struggle without Nueva Ecija's Jervy Cruz.

If we can see it from a broader perspective, there are a lot more possibilities, our grassroots can develop


Rodriguez, San Diego and Yabut failed, because they played against the best, and found to be wanting. Who knows, if they ended up in Cebu, they might've been MVPs. And they everybody there would've ended up talking how good they are, how great they are, etc., etc.

As I said, its a matter of bringing the best talents around the country, and have them play against each other. Manila does that, that is why they have the best leagues in the country.

But even if these talents are in Manila, they still represent their respective provinces. So in effect, whatever honor they bring to themselves, they bring to their provinces also.

Besides, what's the alternative? Like you would want to, where Cebu's best players end up playing just there in Cebu against each other, and getting a false sense of ability?

'Kung sila-sila lang naglalaro dun, feeling nila ang gagaling na nila.'

Like it or not, there has to be an area where all the talents from all over the country can be brought together, and tested against each other. Right now, that place is Manila.

If a player doesn't make it Manila, then that's how it is, 'pang Cebu lang siguro talaga talent level niya.'

nardy
02-12-2009, 09:47 AM
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Thursday, February 12, 2009

IOC’s Rogge supports POC proposal for training center outside Manila metropolis

MANILA, Feb. 12 (PNA) — The Switzerland-based president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) has conveyed his congratulations to Jose Cojuangco Jr. for recently gaining reelection of the presidency of the Philippine Olympic Committee (POC).

Count Jacques Rogge conveyed his wishes through Philippine Ambassador to Switzerland, Maria Therese Lazaro, when she visited the IOC headquarters in Lausanne last January 27.

Lazaro said Rogge expressed “willingness to support POC’s planned project to establish a training center for prospective POC athletes outside the Manila metropolis."

The ambassador, on the other hand, conveyed POC’s plans to upgrade its management organization that could lead to wider participation in future Olympics.

LDV/GJB

thadzonline
02-12-2009, 04:48 PM
In the same light, one could also wonder how many provincial talents are actually wasted because they languished on the bench or Team B's in Manila? Don't you find it funny that when guys like Omanzie Rodriguez, Don Yabut, Frederic Canlas, Vincent Sandiego, Raul Dillo, Naningga, Pep Moore, etc. despite getting training in Manila, are just dismissed as obviously lacking in skill when they went on to have mediocre or so-so basketball careers after college? And on the other hand, Rino Berame is bashed and blamed that because he played CeSAFI and not UAAP/NCAA, therefore he went on to have a mediocre hoops career after college.

We all know it's not a chicken and egg thing that when one ends up in Manila, he definitely is better off. We have to consider inherent skills even before these guys went on to Manila, or Cebu or elsewhere. You see, FEU would be a lot different without Zamboanga's Mark Barroca or CDO's JR Cawaling, AdMU would be less potent without Bacolod's Nonoy Baclao, DLSU will be less a contender without Mindoro's Rico Maierhofer and UST will struggle without Nueva Ecija's Jervy Cruz.

If we can see it from a broader perspective, there are a lot more possibilities, our grassroots can develop


Rodriguez, San Diego and Yabut failed, because they played against the best, and found to be wanting. Who knows, if they ended up in Cebu, they might've been MVPs. And they everybody there would've ended up talking how good they are, how great they are, etc., etc.

As I said, its a matter of bringing the best talents around the country, and have them play against each other. Manila does that, that is why they have the best leagues in the country.

But even if these talents are in Manila, they still represent their respective provinces. So in effect, whatever honor they bring to themselves, they bring to their provinces also.

Besides, what's the alternative? Like you would want to, where Cebu's best players end up playing just there in Cebu against each other, and getting a false sense of ability?

'Kung sila-sila lang naglalaro dun, feeling nila ang gagaling na nila.'

Like it or not, there has to be an area where all the talents from all over the country can be brought together, and tested against each other. Right now, that place is Manila.

If a player doesn't make it Manila, then that's how it is, 'pang Cebu lang siguro talaga talent level niya.'



While JR Quinahan and John Ferriols played college ball in Cebu, they aren't doing too bad in the pros are they? Some would say they would have done better if they played UAAP, but then again, who knows they might end up just like Pep Moore, Naningga and Sandiego.

Schortsanitis
02-12-2009, 05:13 PM
That is better than having all the Cebu standouts to stay there in Cebu, where they can't play against the best players from other places in the country, and where they can start thinking they are so good while only playing against each other.

tamarawz_14
02-12-2009, 10:00 PM
metro manila schools are on top when it comes to training.... gagaling ba sila barroca, cawaling, maierhofer and etc kung hindi sa training na natutunan nila dito sa metro manila.. kung nag-stay sila sa respective places ano sa tingin niyo???... you can't blame those guys who came from the province wants to try their stuff here in manila...

sir thadz sa dami ng players na gusto maglaro sa PBA hindi lahat nabibigyan ng chance what if kaya kung marami rin ang teams sa PBA siguro nabigyan ng chance sila San Diego, Yabut and etc..

franz_inwurdz
02-13-2009, 08:14 AM
Dapat pala ganyan din ginawa ng Ateneo kay Japeth. In your line of thought - anyway it doesn't make any difference kung aasenso ang player, asa player naman yun. Tsaka para umasenso din ang Philippine basketball versus US basketball, dito nalang sana siya nag develop ng skills nya. Mali ang ginawa ng Ateneo kay Japeth. Di nila dapat pinabayaan mag desisyon ng sarili ang bata. Andyan naman si Norman Black - isang magaling na big man coach. Dapat pinigilan din ng Ateneo si Japeth. :(

Kid Cubao
02-13-2009, 09:08 AM
medyo mahabang kwento yung pag-batsi ni japeth sa ateneo. sabihin na lang nating iba ang paalam sa aktwal na sadya nung lumipad papuntang america.

thadzonline
02-13-2009, 09:19 AM
The point is, while we all agree that Manila schools do have the better technology now, not all is lost should one decide to stay in his locale, case in point nga JR Quinahan, John Ferriols, Dondon Hontiveros, Roger Yap, Junthy Valenzuela, Felix Belano. Kaya sana, let's give some love to Junmar, wag natin ipilit na because he decided to stay in Cebu, all is lost for him.

oca
02-13-2009, 09:34 AM
TANONG: Sinong varsity basketball player na galing sa probinsya ang naging "instant superstar pagdating ng Manila"?

May potential nang dumating dito. Gumaling dahil sa training.

Does NCR have a monopoly of good trainers and skills coaches?

To a certain degree, I say, "Yes.". Dahil dito, pwede itong maging career. Pwedeng kabuhayan. So, the individual makes an effort to improve himself as a trainer or skills coach.

Sa mga probinsya, "Anong career meron para sa isang trainer or skills coach?". Nandyan si Head Coach at si Assistant, at jack of all trades na sila!

Maraming pwedeng patunguhan ang usapan natin. Pero uulitin ko yung sinulat ko sa itaas,

Sinong varsity basketball player na galing sa probinsya ang naging "instant superstar pagdating ng Manila"?

Wala!

Sa mga sumusubaybay sa mga off-season tournaments, nakikita mo yung pag-angat ng laro ng bata. Ano yan, kabute ng basta lang umusbong?

thadzonline
02-13-2009, 10:23 AM
pre, the closest to that is Dondon Hontiveros and Junthy Valenzuela in recent memory lang and yes they may be exception to the rule. Accepted fact naman yan that NCR does have the better technology. Fact remains though that some guys who did not play UAAP/NCAA did fare better against those who were once UAAP/NCAA starters. JR Quinahan, John Ferriols, Junthy Valenzuela, Dondon Hontiveros, Roger Yap did do better than say Pep Moore, Vincent Sandiego, Naningga or even Chris Luanzon, Dominic Uy, Maui Roca, Jason Webb, etc. It goes to show sometimes, despite better training, some guys just have less potential than others who did get supposedly "inferior" training.

Should we just be content with the status quo? I personally feel we can be a lot better off with decentralization. You see, Manila can only get so much better when the provinces also get better knowing Manila's technology advantage now. We can look at that with an open mind.

salsa caballero
02-13-2009, 10:25 AM
^ in recent memory, baka si James Yap. Impact player pagpasok sa UE. Of course, gumaling pa siya lalo as the years passed but he was already integral to UE's rotation upon playing in the UAAP.

nicksy
02-13-2009, 11:16 AM
TANONG: Sinong varsity basketball player na galing sa probinsya ang naging "instant superstar pagdating ng Manila"?

May potential nang dumating dito. Gumaling dahil sa training.

Does NCR have a monopoly of good trainers and skills coaches?

To a certain degree, I say, "Yes.". Dahil dito, pwede itong maging career. Pwedeng kabuhayan. So, the individual makes an effort to improve himself as a trainer or skills coach.

Sa mga probinsya, "Anong career meron para sa isang trainer or skills coach?". Nandyan si Head Coach at si Assistant, at jack of all trades na sila!

Maraming pwedeng patunguhan ang usapan natin. Pero uulitin ko yung sinulat ko sa itaas,

Sinong varsity basketball player na galing sa probinsya ang naging "instant superstar pagdating ng Manila"?

Wala!

Sa mga sumusubaybay sa mga off-season tournaments, nakikita mo yung pag-angat ng laro ng bata. Ano yan, kabute ng basta lang umusbong?



pwede siguro si Pong Escobal.

oca
02-13-2009, 11:32 AM
Let's look beyond the names of these players.

Suppose we keep these players at "home", will it make their locale leagues better to be at par with the UAAP or NCAA? We know that is not so. One, two or 3 players does not make a league. It can't even be called a team.

How could the other leagues outside NCR or Cebu grow? Answer: It is by the abundance of competitive talent!

But how does competitive talent come about?

The Cebu varsity competition is, my guess, just about 15 to 20 years younger than that of Manila which dates back to the 1920s. Yet, ilang beses nang may nanaig na Cebu school sa National Inter-collegiate nuong araw, at sa kasalukuyan naman ay hindi kinasisindakan ang sino sa Cesafi members ng mga taga-NCR.

Nuong bago pa man naging extensive ang tv coverage ng UAAP at NCAA, talagang angat na ang antas nila kontra sa counterpart nila sa Cebu. Bago pa man naging maigting ang recruitment, angat na ang UAAP at NCAA.

Bago pa man sumikat sa buong madla ang UAAP at NCAA at bago nauso ang recruitment na alam natin ngayon, angat na ang 2 ligang ito.

TV made these leagues attractive to the "probinsyano", recruitment became relatively easier.

But parity was non-existent from the start!

Recognize the non-parity that has existed from the start and maybe the answers will be found.

Ang isyu, mga katoto, mababa ang kalidad ng trainers at coaches sa labas ng NCR. Masakit man sabihin, across the board within Cesafi, ganon din.

Yan ang isyu. Yan ang tugunan!

thadzonline
02-13-2009, 12:28 PM
Tama ka pareng oca, and it has to start somewhere, sometime. There was a time when local leagues made good strides but got snagged along the way. I never disputed the fact that Manila had more to offer. Ang sa akin lang, if players like JF decide to stay, huwag na sana natin bigyan ng kulay.

nardy
02-13-2009, 12:43 PM
i would rather say maybe most of you were not yet born in the true heyday of Philippine Basketball. *At that time there were numerous leagues all over the Philippines not only in Manila and Cebu. *There's one in Baguio, Iloilo, Bacolod, Bicol, Pampanga, etc. *In those days the college teams can compete toe-to-toe with even the teams in the MICAA. * In the Manila, aside from MICAA, there was the Interclub, GCAA, BAA, league among Banks, etc. *The provincial teams especially those in Cebu could compete against what Manila can offer. *Then at the end of the year the teams from the different leagues gauge each other on who is thew best by playing in the National Seniors tournament. * In that tournament even team from Clark Air Base, Subic Naval Base, International School and even the misionaries Athletes in Action and the Ventures for Victory sometimes play. *But soon the leagues vanished one after the other. * This contributed to the detoriation of basketball in ou country.

I cannot blame the provincial players into going to Manila as the basketball there is more advanced. * But since the provincial leagues disappeared the question on where the provincial players could go after school aside from Manila has floated. * In order for the grassroots program to really be at par with that of other countries, the SBP must work on improving the technology of the leagues and teams in the provinces. *Like in the National Team for it to improve there must be a transfer of technology for it to get better. *With Toroman sharing his knowledge to us Filipinos how basketball played in Europe we might be able to improve. * But that transfer must not stop in Manila, it must trickle down to the provinces and not only to Cebu but also upto the faraway provinces of Batanes, Tawi-tawi, Cordilleras, Palawan, Abra, Sultan Kudarat, Bicol, Isabela, etc. *

By also uplifting the quality of basketball in the other provinces, we would have a much bigger basket wherein to choose our players from. * * There must also *be more teams and leagues all over the Philippines like what it was in the past and how it is now done in the other countries. * As of now, there are just a few teams where the players could now go to especially now that the PBL had encouraged the teams to tie-up with certain schools.

We are one of the few countries whose premier teams is situated in only in the Capital City. * And those other countries like Singapore has no choice since their country is too small in size geographically. * That is how Indonesia is improving their basketball, they are spreading it all around. * They might have not be at par yet with our best Filipino Players but they have already catched-up with the Malaysians and the Thais. *

With less and less leagues where the players could look forward into playing in, the passion for the games is dissapearing. * I now seldom see SRO crowds in basketball and gone where the days that majority of the households are watching basketball in their respective households. *

I do not know if you have noticed, more and more kids are now playing in the arcades or their play stations instead of playing actual basketball. *If things does not go around in the next few years, basketball as the favorite passion of the Filipinos would soon be replaced by video games.

pachador
02-13-2009, 02:13 PM
i think the reason for the centralization is because a lot of money from businessmen/alumni is flowing not only in to the pba but also in the ncaa and uaap.this has become more acute now as competition in the ncaa/uaap gets fiercer. if money flows into cesafi and other leagues then players will stay in the provinces. i think this is a big reason. players flock to where the money is whether it is school league or commercial leagues. in other words, the dynamics today is different than before. i believe for example( just my guess) that U.V. has more money to lure players than the other cebu teams. it just so happened that , the richest businessmen/benefactors/alumni went to school at either ateneo, la salle, or san beda with a few in the other schools... tama ba ? Again this is just my observations from outside looking in since i have not been living in the philippines for a while now.

another reason is the feeder system which actually existed even way back in the 1940s. did you know that good ateneo players from ateneo de cagayan, de zamboanga, de davao or de naga are sent to ateneo de manila ? this has always been the case as far back as 1940s for various reasons.

Schortsanitis
02-13-2009, 02:29 PM
The best way to improve basketball in the country, is to have the best playing against the best.

Right now, that purpose has been served by centralization in Manila, which I feel is not necessarily a bad thing.

Coaching or Player's seminars and/or clinics are basically theory, and theory can only go so far. In the end, it still have to be implemented.

Now once implemented, you need to find which coaches/players or schools are doing it the best, so in the end, you still need to find a way to get everyone to compete with each other.

So in the end, we keep going back to this isolationism thing. How do we keep it from happening? A once a year nationwide tournament like the CCL is a good start, but it is not a good thing in my book that schools all over the country have to wait 12 months to play one or two games against each other. There has to be a way to improve on that.

nardy
02-13-2009, 04:05 PM
I am not suggesting isolation what I am suggesting is total development of basketball for the whole Philippines. If we are not going to follow how it is done all over the world we would really be left behind. What we need is a big basket of talented basketball players from all over the country. The current set-up we have now would only have us with this much number of players only to choose from. Even in the the small villages of Africa there is a transfer of technology, that's why even a country like Angola could now beat the crap out of us. Look at Iran, the teams are not concentrated alone in Tehran it's all over the country. As of now we cannot do anything but accept the truth that the best talents would be going to Manila as the best technology is in the Capital. But that must be reversed and to do that is for the SBP to help out in the development of basketball not only in Cebu but in other parts of the country. We must make our basket bigger, what is actually happening is we are isolating basketball into Manila and not encouraging total development of the grassroots. Look at China, the reason aside from height that they are ahead of us already is because they have a lot number of players to choose from.

I do agree the players do need real actual competition for them to improve The true advantage of the Manila teams and schools is the money, that's why they could improve their basketball program by hiring consultants going into camps abroad and etc. The provincial teams could improve more by facing more competitive opposition. But we must not forget we need to total development if we reallly want to regain our old standing in Asian basketball. It would be a difficult endeavor but we must do it. I do want for the time to come that in order for the Philippines to form a competitive team for the international tournaments is that we would need a team of players ALL coming from overseas or are all fil-foreigners as we have no players to choose from locally.

Kid Cubao
02-13-2009, 04:24 PM
for me, parity should not be achieved at the expense of overall competitive upgrading for international tournaments. at this point, we can't have both. if we wish to achieve international success, the search for talented basketball players and tall individuals who can be trained to play basketball should be done nationwide, at the grassroots level. once these players form a national pool, then they should train and compete together on a regular basis, and this should be done in manila. no ifs or buts about it.

kung ang habol natin ay parity, talagang magkakadupangan nga ng player yan. bagama't aminado ako na darating at darating yan, sana isipin nila na may hangarin tayong ibangon ang bansa sa larangan ng basketball, kahit sa asian level man lang. ngayon, kung maabot na natin yan at meron na tayong malinaw na sistema, o sige eh di wag nang pilitin ang mga ayaw. it's going to be their loss anyway, not the nation's.

bchoter
02-13-2009, 10:15 PM
Why is everybody picking on Fajardo? How come nobody has taken Arvie Bringas or Paul Lee to task for also not joining the national pool?
pio, if it were up to Arvie he'd join the RP Team. He knows it's a good opportunity. Coach Pido was prodding him to join the team but Arvie says his coach doesn't want him to. Maybe it's the same case with Junmar.

pachador
02-14-2009, 03:34 AM
I'm sure fajardo would join if the UC owner/coach encouraged him. just as UV gave the go-signal to Slaughter. Anyway, I hope for Fajardo's future that he does not regret his decision later. . you know, one of those, "what if I did this or that" decisions we take in life that we might regret later on.





Why is everybody picking on Fajardo? How come nobody has taken Arvie Bringas or Paul Lee to task for also not joining the national pool?
pio, if it were up to Arvie he'd join the RP Team. He knows it's a good opportunity. Coach Pido was prodding him to join the team but Arvie says his coach doesn't want him to. Maybe it's the same case with Junmar.

Ghostrider
02-14-2009, 11:04 AM
TANONG: Sinong varsity basketball player na galing sa probinsya ang naging "instant superstar pagdating ng Manila"?

May potential nang dumating dito. Gumaling dahil sa training.

Sinong varsity basketball player na galing sa probinsya ang naging "instant superstar pagdating ng Manila"?

Wala!


Arnie Tuadles - straight from Cebu to PBA Rookie of the Year.

to a lesser extent, the other Tuadles brothers who all went to the PBA.

Not really sure, but how about Yoyong Martirez, Manny Paner, Dodie Miego and George Lizares?

Francis Arnaiz - straight from Iloilo, superstar sa Ateneo. Similarly, Jojo Lastimosa, straight from Cagayan. Too bad both had to leave Ateneo after only one year.

Basketball would be more successful in the provinces if players could make a living from it while living in the provinces. As it is, the larger commercial leagues are all located in Manila. A strong grassroots program would help the decentralization in Metro Manila.

LION
02-14-2009, 12:43 PM
^With due respect, ghost, that was the time when scientific training was never heard of. At that time, we can say there was parity in all areas and it was just a matter of finding the best raw talent available.

But starting in the mid 90's or perhaps even earlier, Metro Manila became the center of scientific basketball training. The rest of the country were left behind. But once in a while you will still find a provincial player with tremendous raw talent who can shine in the big leagues.

Marami pa ding Arnie Tuadles diyan hanggang ngayon. Magagaling na player. Hopefully, they follow the straight path because there also many Ambet Antonios out there.

Gil_Andrews
02-14-2009, 02:21 PM
TANONG: Sinong varsity basketball player na galing sa probinsya ang naging "instant superstar pagdating ng Manila"?

May potential nang dumating dito. Gumaling dahil sa training.

Sinong varsity basketball player na galing sa probinsya ang naging "instant superstar pagdating ng Manila"?

Wala!


Arnie Tuadles -* straight from Cebu to PBA Rookie of the Year.

to a lesser extent, the other Tuadles brothers who all went to the PBA.*

Not really sure, but how about Yoyong Martirez, Manny Paner, Dodie Miego and George Lizares?

Francis Arnaiz - straight from Iloilo, superstar sa Ateneo.* Similarly, Jojo Lastimosa, straight from Cagayan.* Too bad both had to leave Ateneo after only one year.

Basketball would be more successful in the provinces if players could make a living from it while living in the provinces.* As it is, the larger commercial leagues are all located in Manila.* A strong grassroots program would help the decentralization in Metro Manila.



Add Mon Fernandez, Rommel Adducul, Zandro Limpot, and Abet Guidaben among others.

Out_Of_The_Blue
02-14-2009, 08:36 PM
^^^ Idagdag nyo pa sila Ato Agustin at Dennis Espino from Pampanga, Boy Cabahug at Al Solis from Cebu. JB Yango from Nueva Ecija. Willie Miller and Willie Pearson from Olongapo and Angeles respectively.

nardy
02-14-2009, 11:26 PM
^^^ Idagdag nyo pa sila Ato Agustin at Dennis Espino from Pampanga, Boy Cabahug at Al Solis from Cebu. JB Yango from Nueva Ecija. Willie Miller and Willie Pearson from Olongapo and Angeles respectively.


Willie Pearson is not from Angeles City, as he came from Chaminade University at Hawaii before he was recruited for the St George Team in the PABL.* From there he was pirated by the people of Ambassador Danding Cojuangco so that he could play for La Salle which was already out of the NCAA but not yet in the UAAP.* *When he fall out of grace with Ron Jacobs he was dropped from the NCC pool and he drifted to the Arellano Flaming Arrows. After his stint with the National Team at the SEA Games he joined the Crispa Redmanizers in the PBA.

onggok
02-15-2009, 06:01 AM
^^^ Idagdag nyo pa sila Ato Agustin at Dennis Espino from Pampanga, Boy Cabahug at Al Solis from Cebu. JB Yango from Nueva Ecija. Willie Miller and Willie Pearson from Olongapo and Angeles respectively.
nakalimutan mo ang one of the best Pg from the Philippines si Hector Calma I know nag-aral siya Adamson pero bago si nag-Adamson natuto siyang maglaro sa Arayat Pampanga.Isama mo pa si arwin santos,Norman Gonzales,Manansala,Duncil and Jc Intal (from Minalin Pampanga)

pachador
02-15-2009, 12:25 PM
current dynamics in philippine basketball :

1.) we have capitalism in full play with today's philippine basketball in both the school and commercial leagues. its whoever has the greatest supply of money and the greatest demand for players that will ultimately win unless enforceable legal rules can be enforced if that is possible at all otherwise,, the rich businessmen in the provinces need to fork up money if they want provincial players to stay put

2.) if physical abilities, natural genetic makeup and athleticism are the same among players, then whichever team or city has the better scientific training, coaching, basketball devt and conditioning will have more to offer. Thus , provincial teams will need to fork up money to compete.

D_I_A
02-19-2009, 10:21 PM
Sports
Philippines hope to earn 2010 FIBA world slot
GMANews.TV
02/19/2009 | 08:28 PM

MANILA, Philippines – This year’s Asia Champions Cup in Jakarta, Indonesia will serve as a qualifying tournament for the 1st International Basketball Federation (FIBA) World Champions Cup next year, according to FIBA.

FIBA, in an email to the Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas (SBP), said a slot in the 2010 world tournament will be at stake in the Champions Cup slated from May 12 to 20.

SBP executive director Noli Eala said the Philippines is seeded in the FIBA Asia Champions Cup after the country and Indonesia were the only Southeast Asian nations to confirm their participation in the tournament.

With the FIBA Asia Champions Cup now a qualifying tournament for the World tournament, SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan has asked Serbian coach Rajko Toroman to form a strong that will vie for the elusive slot.

The Champions Cup allows participating teams to field two imports with SBP set to tap Chris Taft, 23, as one of the Philippines’ reinforcements. The SBP is eyeing Taft’s naturalization.

The Brooklyn, New York native Taft’s 6-foot-10, 260-lb frame will boost the Nationals’ frontline.

Taft, who also saw action with NBA team Golden State Warriors from 2005 to 2007, is reportedly flying to the country by next week and the FIBA Asia Champions Cup will serve as a tryout for him.

Toroman, who has been tapped to handle the country’s drive for a seat to the 2012 London Olympics, welcomed the new development. “The World Champions Cup will feature strong teams from Euro League, South America and Australia and it’s a big opportunity for this team to play the best teams in the world." –

amdgc82
02-20-2009, 10:38 PM
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/149751/9-players-sign-up-for-RP-youth-development-team

9 players sign up for RP youth development team
02/20/2009 | 09:15 PM

MANILA, Philippines – Big names like Rico Maierhoffer, Jervy Cruz, and Rogemar Menor are not part of the national developmental team, but Serbian coach Rajko Toroman believes he has the right players whom he needs to bring the Philippines back to its once lofty status in basketball.

“We’re on the right track and the quality of players in the team is very high," said Toroman, who is tasked to lead the country to victory in next year’s Asian Games and a seat in the 2012 London Olympics.

Nine players have already signed on the contract presented by Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP), while four more are expected to do the same thing within the week bringing to 13 the pool of players to train under Toroman.

Players who signed up are collegiate standouts Mark Barroca and JR Cawaling of the Far Eastern University, Dylan Ababou of the University of Santo Tomas, Rey Guevarra and Carlo Jazul of Letran College, Rabeh Al Hussaini and Ryan Buenafe of UAAP champion Ateneo, Maggi Sison of the Univesity of the Philippines, and Jason Ballesteros of San Sebastian College.

Expected to also sign up are Ateneo hot shot Chris Tiu, Mac Baracael of FEU, La Salle’s JV Casio and University of Visayas Filipino-German center Greg Slaughter.

The 6-foot-6 Maierhoffer of La Salle and San Beda’s Menor joined the tryouts but never returned, while 6-foot-4 do-it-all forward Cruz, who played for UST, never showed up. Veteran guard Marcy Arellano, who was part of the Philippine team that won the crown in an invitational tournament in China last December, also opted out.

University of the East’s Paul Lee, who emerged as the Philippine Basketball League (PBL) PG Flex Linoleum Cup’s best player, begged off until after the 2009 UAAP season, while University of Cebu’s 6-foot-9 center Junmar Fajardo has yet to get his approval from his mother team competing in the CESAFI.

A total of 15 players are being eyed to complete to pool with UST’s Chester Taylor, FEU’s Aldrech Ramos, and former Ateneo center Ford Arao contesting the other slots. – GMANews.TV

amdgc82
02-20-2009, 10:40 PM
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/149753/RP-development-pool-up-for-tough-training

RP development pool up for tough training
02/20/2009 | 10:06 PM

MANILA, Philippines – The 13-player Philippine youth development pool is up for a tough challenge as Serbian coach Rajko Toroman has prepared a busy training schedule before they compete in the FIBA Asia Champions Cup in Indonesia.

Toroman has ordered a six times a week practice to condition the team before plunging into action in the Champions Cup slated May 12 to 20 in Jakarta, Indonesia.

Toroman also scheduled a series of international tune-up games for the Nationals as part of their preparation before the Jakarta competition. The team is set to fly to Serbia and the US for training and competition next month.

Serbia will be the RP development team’s first stop. The training pool will compete against seven local professional teams from March 29 to April 7. The team returns to Manila before heading to the US on April 14 for another 10-day tune-up match.

While in the US, Toroman will take a close look at several prospective Filipino-American candidates for possible inclusion in the team. Among those whom Toroman will look at is 6-foot-9 Japeth Aguilar, who is also being considered by the PBA-backed national team under coach Yeng Guiao.

“There are a few slots left and we’ll see the quality of the Fil-Ams. What we need are just extra players," added Toroman.

A mini-invitational tournament is also being planned between SBP and the PBL and this will serve as the team’s final tune-up before they leave for FIBA Asia. – GMANews.TV

insulares
02-23-2009, 10:06 AM
Posted by Liga Pilipinas in their league thread in this forum (Feb 21/09 exhibition game)...

************************************************** ****************************************

MANILA - The Smart Gilas-Pilipinas National Team under Coach Rajko Toroman survived the challenge of the Smart-Pampanga Buddies, 98-95, in an exhibition match played Saturday afternoon at the San Andres Sports Complex.

* * *Chris Tiu scored two key free throws with two seconds to go in order to repel the Buddies’ final rally.

* * *Dylan Ababou topped Smart-Gilas with 17 points followed by Tiu and Mac Baracael with 16 apiece.* Terrell Theophile paced the Buddies with 14 while the trio of Khiel Misa, Nino Gelig and Emmerson Oreta added nine markers each.

* * *The game also served as the appetizer to the championship games of the Manila Leg of the 2009 Smart Liga Pilipinas Conference II.

How They Scored:

* * *SMART-GILAS (98) – Ababou 17, Baracael 16, Tiu 16, Casio 12, Barroca 12, Ballesteros 8, Cawaling 7, Buenafe 4, Slaughter 4, Sison 2, Taylor 0, Arao 0, Ramos 0.

* * *PAMPANGA (95) – Theophile 14, Misa 9, Gelig 9, Oreta 9, Sta. Maria 8, Evangelista 8, Cantonjos 8, Urbiztondo 7, Cruz 5, Camaso 4, Bansil 4, Kalaw 3, Vizcarra 3, Nicdao 2, Mercado 2.

* * *Period Scores: 28-27, 45-51, 70-76, 98-95.

CrossOver
02-25-2009, 03:13 AM
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 00:13

ANOTHER vital cog in the national developmental pool of Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is reportedly thinking of getting out of the national team.

* * * * * * The BusinessMirror learned that the meeting between Rabeh Al-Hussaini’s camp and SBP for the contract yielded nothing as the former wanted some changes in the contract before signing.*

* * * * * * “The SBP talked to the parents of Rabeh and they initially said no,” the source said. “Hindi nila mapilit si Rabeh because they fear he might quit Ateneo also kung pipilitin just like what happened to Ogie Menor in San Beda.”

* * * * * * Menor, originally part of the SBP developmental pool, decided not to return to the Red Lions this coming National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) season.

* * * * * * The 22-year-old cager cited “pressure from the top” for not coming back to San Beda for his final year with the Red Lions. Menor felt it had something to do with his decision of not signing the contract also.

* * * * * * Al-Hussaini’s decision shocked SBP, the source added, but the country’s basketball federation is still hoping the Ateneo center will reconsider his decision.

* * * * * * SBP executive director Noli Eala denied that Al-Hussaini turned down the offer and added they are still in the process of signing him to be part of the three-year program.

* * * * * * “No, it’s not true,” was Eala’s short reply to the BusinessMirror on the issue.

* * * * * * Ateneo’s sports director Ricky Palou also denied it, adding Al-Hussaini is not yet signing the contract because “they are asking for some amendments .”

* * * * * * In a previous interview, Eala said nine players from the 15-man pool already reached agreement with the SBP while the rest are still reviewing the contract, including Al-Hussaini and JV Casio.

* * * * * * Far Eastern University’s Marnel Baracael hooked up with the team on Monday, making the total number of players who signed the contract to 10.

* * * * * * Losing the six-foot-seven Al-Hussaini could definitely be a big blow to the team as the reigning University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Most Valuable Player has been impressing Serbian coach Rajko Toroman based on their two exhibition games with Burger King and Rain or Shine last month.

* * * * * * Even coach Yeng Guiao of the Philippine Basketball Association-backed RP 5 was impressed with the performance of Al-Hussaini and he is planning to invite him to join his own national pool.

* * * * * * Toroman’s national team is set to leave for Serbia next month for a series of tune-up games against European teams there before flying to the United States for the training camp set up by the SBP.


[i]Business Mirror (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6591:al-hussaini-yet-to-sign-sbp-deal&catid=31:sports&Itemid=65)

jesronne
03-09-2009, 05:11 PM
any updates on our beloved developmental team??? ???

thadzonline
03-10-2009, 09:23 AM
last i heard Greg Slaughter and JV Casio are yet to sign the contract. I can confirm Greg hasn't signed yet. Anyone can confirm Casio hasn't signed the contract?

Kid Cubao
03-10-2009, 11:04 AM
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 00:13

ANOTHER vital cog in the national developmental pool of Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is reportedly thinking of getting out of the national team.

* * * * * * The BusinessMirror learned that the meeting between Rabeh Al-Hussaini’s camp and SBP for the contract yielded nothing as the former wanted some changes in the contract before signing.*

* * * * * * “The SBP talked to the parents of Rabeh and they initially said no,” the source said. “Hindi nila mapilit si Rabeh because they fear he might quit Ateneo also kung pipilitin just like what happened to Ogie Menor in San Beda.”

* * * * * * Menor, originally part of the SBP developmental pool, decided not to return to the Red Lions this coming National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) season.

* * * * * * The 22-year-old cager cited “pressure from the top” for not coming back to San Beda for his final year with the Red Lions. Menor felt it had something to do with his decision of not signing the contract also.

* * * * * * Al-Hussaini’s decision shocked SBP, the source added, but the country’s basketball federation is still hoping the Ateneo center will reconsider his decision.

* * * * * * SBP executive director Noli Eala denied that Al-Hussaini turned down the offer and added they are still in the process of signing him to be part of the three-year program.

* * * * * * “No, it’s not true,” was Eala’s short reply to the BusinessMirror on the issue.

* * * * * * Ateneo’s sports director Ricky Palou also denied it, adding Al-Hussaini is not yet signing the contract because “they are asking for some amendments .”

* * * * * * In a previous interview, Eala said nine players from the 15-man pool already reached agreement with the SBP while the rest are still reviewing the contract, including Al-Hussaini and JV Casio.

* * * * * * Far Eastern University’s Marnel Baracael hooked up with the team on Monday, making the total number of players who signed the contract to 10.

* * * * * * Losing the six-foot-seven Al-Hussaini could definitely be a big blow to the team as the reigning University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Most Valuable Player has been impressing Serbian coach Rajko Toroman based on their two exhibition games with Burger King and Rain or Shine last month.

* * * * * * Even coach Yeng Guiao of the Philippine Basketball Association-backed RP 5 was impressed with the performance of Al-Hussaini and he is planning to invite him to join his own national pool.

* * * * * * Toroman’s national team is set to leave for Serbia next month for a series of tune-up games against European teams there before flying to the United States for the training camp set up by the SBP.


[i]Business Mirror (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6591:al-hussaini-yet-to-sign-sbp-deal&catid=31:sports&Itemid=65)

naayos na raw ito. nagkarun lang ng konting paglilinaw sa kontratang pipirmahan ni rabeh with respect to his personal circumstances.

Toto Battung
03-10-2009, 01:05 PM
I see a lot of positive things about Toroman's team. A team on a mission to restore and bring back glory to our international prestige. Hope everybody works together for this team as they sacrifice for flag and country. ;)

jesronne
03-10-2009, 05:33 PM
thadz if greg still not yet sign the contract will he still join the team in serbia??

good news rabeh is back in the team... i hope it is true...

digitalsuperman
03-10-2009, 06:17 PM
i really wonder. if rabeh was able to make a deal of his contract with SBP. why can't they do the same for menor and maeirhoffer??

Kid Cubao
03-11-2009, 05:30 AM
ang balita kay maierhoffer is that he will skip toroman's national team because he has been assured by burger king that they will make him their first-round pick in august. ibig sabihin nito malamang sa national team ni yeng guiao sya isasama. sa kabilang dako, di ko alam ang puno't dulo ng kay ogie menor. pero ang mahalaga'y inupuan at pinagnilayan nila nang mabuti ang lahat bago sila umatras.

BLUE HORSE
03-11-2009, 06:05 AM
^

If true, how long before the spin doctors enter the picture and lay blame on MVP for cannibalizing the DLSU team in season 72? Come to think of it, MVP and Ricky Vargas are only minority partners in BK together with DLSU benefactor Mikee Romero.

digitalsuperman
03-11-2009, 06:35 AM
ahh ok..so thats explains why the unloading of canaleta,intal,kramer and allado..

but regardless, i don't think that this has something to do with MVP and Vargas..
Mikee Romero will benefit it all because in time BK will be bought wholelly by Romero.

does the SBP knew about the deal with maeirhoffer and BK?

because i'm sure they can iron things out with rabeh, then maierhoffer they can offer him something so that he'd stay for toroman.
if he can make a deal with SBP then it would be good for him because international exposure would increase not only his skillset but also his market value once the program is over. its a win win solution for him.

Kid Cubao
03-11-2009, 08:13 AM
^^ i'm almost positively certain that SBP is aware of rico maierhoffer's plans, which is why they are not taking it against him. maganda naman ang paalam ng bata. like i said, kung hindi kay toroman, sa national team ni yeng guiao sya maisasama.

The_Big_Cat
03-11-2009, 09:39 AM
ang balita kay maierhoffer is that he will skip toroman's national team because he has been assured by burger king that they will make him their first-round pick in august. ibig sabihin nito malamang sa national team ni yeng guiao sya isasama. sa kabilang dako, di ko alam ang puno't dulo ng kay ogie menor. pero ang mahalaga'y inupuan at pinagnilayan nila nang mabuti ang lahat bago sila umatras.


Burger King has 3 First Round picks for the 2009 Draft. Romero has publicly said that he is also looking at Japeth Aguilar.

animo
03-11-2009, 10:38 AM
^^
That's 2. who could be the 3rd? Menor?

jesronne
03-11-2009, 11:56 AM
Kid_cubao

Could you confirm to us that rabeh already sign the contract with the SBP??

Kid Cubao
03-11-2009, 12:15 PM
as far as witnessing the actual signing of the contract with the SBP is concerned, no, i could not confirm that. however, what i can say is that rabeh and nonoy baclao have been picked for the smart gilas team. the two will join fellow eagles chris tiu and probably ryan buenafe. coach norman black said so.

D_I_A
03-11-2009, 01:18 PM
as far as witnessing the actual signing of the contract with the SBP is concerned, no, i could not confirm that. however, what i can say is that rabeh and nonoy baclao have been picked for the smart gilas team. the two will join fellow eagles chris tiu and probably ryan buenafe. coach norman black said so.


that's good to hear..

si greg slaughter na lang..

digitalsuperman
03-11-2009, 03:39 PM
^^
That's 2.* who could be the 3rd?* Menor?


if thats the case then, all i could say is WOW!

imagine with the talent laden line up of BK..here comes Maierhoffer, Aguilar and Menor...WOW!!!!

two very versatile big men are comming and a damn good small forward.. idol na idol ko talaga si romero, he really knows what he wants and he knows what he's doing.. BK will build a dynasty...wow!

jesronne
03-11-2009, 09:58 PM
tanx kid cubao... this is also the problem of some journalists... they are not publishing good news... all they want is bad news... like what happen to rabeh...

CrossOver
03-12-2009, 12:37 AM
By Joaquin Henson
Updated March 12, 2009 12:00 AM


http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1045/spo10.jpg
Rajko Toroman

MANILA, Philippines - Coach Rajko Toroman’s national developmental basketball team will play a series of exhibition games in Serbia and the US to prepare for the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Jakarta on May 12-20.

SBP executive director Noli Eala said yesterday Toroman has formed a 13-man squad to play overseas and may add another cager in the radar after releasing UST’s Chester Taylor.

Confirmed to make the trips are Chris Tiu, Dylan Ababou, Ryan Buenafe, J. V. Casio, J. R. Cawaling, Mark Barroca, Greg Slaughter, R. J. Jazul, Jason Ballesteros, Mac Baracael, Rey Guevara, Aldrich Ramos and Ford Arao. Waiting in the wings are Paul Lee and Junmar Fajardo.

For personal reasons, Ateneo’s star Fil-Kuwait center Rabeh Al-Husseini may not be able to join the national team until he turns 21 in August.

Eala said the team will play four Division A and three Division B clubs in Serbia from March 27 to April 7.

“Coach Rajko has put together a hectic schedule,” said Eala. “There are morning and afternoon practices then games at night.” Toroman is expected to push the visitors to the limit against tough Serbian veterans in testing the mettle of the Filipino youngsters tipped to spearhead the campaign for a slot in the 2012 London Olympics.

After the Serbia tour, the team will fly to the US, possibly Los Angeles where former UP cager Loy Allado is arranging games against collegiate and pro players in summer leagues during a 10-day tour. Allado, a player agent, has lived in Los Angeles for over 20 years. His son Don plays for Purefoods in the PBA.

Toroman’s squad will represent the country at the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup where teams are allowed two imports each.

Eala said it’s possible that Toroman will bring in former Golden State Warriors forward Chris Taft to reinforce the team in Jakarta. Taft, 23, is a 6-10, 260-pound forward from the University of Pittsburgh. He has expressed interest in playing for the Philippine team as a naturalized citizen.

“We’re in close contact with Taft and his agent,” said Eala. “We’re checking on his availability for Jakarta. It will give us a chance to look at Taft closely. We’ll be able to evaluate if he fits in. We’re looking at a three-year commitment. There are others, like NBA veteran Andrae Patterson, applying for the job but Jim Kelly is highly recommending Taft.”

Kelly is the Toronto Raptors director of player personnel and was once a coaching consultant and broadcaster in the PBA. He is married to a Filipina from Olongapo. Kelly has close ties with Filipinos and is always ready to lend a helping hand in recruiting imports.

Eala said the developmental team will also play in the Stankovic Cup, possibly in September.

“The Stankovic Cup is important because it’s a FIBA-Asia qualifier,” said Eala. “In the coming FIBA-Asia Championships where coach Yeng (Guiao) will bring our national team of PBA players to Tianjin, five of the six qualified teams made it through the Stankovic Cup.”

Eala said he’s hoping the PBA will allow the developmental team to play as a guest entry in the next Philippine Cup in October. Invitational tournaments in China and Dubai are also lined up for the squad.

Eala said the proposal to include Toroman’s team as a second Philippine entry in the Jones Cup this July may not be feasible.

“We’ve told the UAAP and NCAA that when the seasons start, we’ll return the players to their mother schools,” said Eala. “Unfortunately, the Jones Cup is in direct conflict with the UAAP and NCAA schedules. It would’ve been a good opportunity for us to gain more experience as we were told only senior national teams will play in the Jones Cup. But if the invitation comes, we’ll study it and try to resolve the conflict.”

Three players from Toroman’s wish list declined to join the national team and instead, will try their luck in the PBA draft this August. They are Rico Maierhofer, Ogie Menor and Marcy Arellano. The players who agreed to play for Toroman were signed to two or three-year contracts except for Arao who inked a one-year deal.


PhilStar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=447773&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

jesronne
03-12-2009, 08:00 AM
to kid cubao...

maybe rabeh was just waiting to be 21 so that he could get a bigger contract or will he really join the team??

thadzonline
03-12-2009, 03:31 PM
@jesronne, Greg wants to join the team. He knows its best for him, konting pep talk lang kailangan niyan, pipirma na yan