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vanatic
10-13-2008, 05:52 PM
_- Sana Ma-Appreciate niyo -_

UAAP and NCAA are the two biggest names in the local collegiate basketball scene. Kasi, televised ang games nila, yun lang ang advantage nila. Don't get me wrong, I'm from San Beda and I love my school. It's just that I have also been hoping na mag-expand din naman sana ang parehong leagues. To better the competition, the excitement, and to create another rivalry and opposition. Kasi ang ngyayari, parang nagiging stagnant ang parehong liga dahil wala man lang expansion o development na ngyayari. Sana magdagdag sila ng 2 schools pareho para nman madagdagan yun hype ng tournament at competition. Ten (10) schools is an even number, I dont see any problem with that, mabubuhay din naman sila pareho kasi ganun din naman ang mangyayari; remember that NCAA games on monday are not televised, puwede naman. Kikita ka pa rin kahit di televised ang ibang games at hindi pa ito expensive sa network. And I have been wondering kung may meaning nga talaga ang "FINAL FOUR" kung ang competition at size ng tournament ay walo (8) lang naman. Why not not from the beginning of the season just name it "ELITE EIGHT" na lang para mas bagay, di ba? Im sorry, I am a Kapamilya Fan but, if ABS CBN cannot do it, kung betterment lang nila ang pinag uusapan at hindi ang interest ng both parties, pitch it sa ibang network na gusto mag televise ng NCAA. Because I know for sure na they are going to stick it like hell with UAAP, no way na let go nila ito.

And just to add something, just an idea, why not both UAAP and NCAA have some kind of non televised division two of their leagues composing of six (6) or four (4) schools para pag may two (2) bad performing schools sa main league in terms of basketball ay puwede nila i-relegate ito sa Division two at Call up nila yung two best performing schools sa baba. The format is paralleled with the European Football. Para it will create true competition and excitement. And not to allow complacency among memeber schools of both leagues just because they are members of popular leagues and their games are televised they have the reason to suck and continue to lose without any consequences. Ganito naman sana, everybody should have fair chances of getting great opportunities, hindi lang yun sa kakaonti. DI BA??!!

And another thing, I am a really big fan of Phillipine Collegiate Champions League (PCCL). Kudos and props to those whose brainchild of theirs is another great way to inspire competition. Sana lang, full rosters din ang maglalaro sa kanya kanyang teams para mas magaganda ang mga laban. ;D ;D

D_I_A
10-14-2008, 04:12 PM
_- Sana Ma-Appreciate niyo -_

UAAP and NCAA are the two biggest names in the local collegiate basketball scene. Kasi, televised ang games nila, yun lang ang advantage nila. Don't get me wrong, I'm from San Beda and I love my school. It's just that I have also been hoping na mag-expand din naman sana ang parehong leagues. To better the competition, the excitement, and to create another rivalry and opposition. Kasi ang ngyayari, parang nagiging stagnant ang parehong liga dahil wala man lang expansion o development na ngyayari. Sana magdagdag sila ng 2 schools pareho para nman madagdagan yun hype ng tournament at competition. Ten (10) schools is an even number, I dont see any problem with that, mabubuhay din naman sila pareho kasi ganun din naman ang mangyayari; remember that NCAA games on monday are not televised, puwede naman. Kikita ka pa rin kahit di televised ang ibang games at hindi pa ito expensive sa network. And I have been wondering kung may meaning nga talaga ang "FINAL FOUR" kung ang competition at size ng tournament ay walo (8) lang naman. Why not not from the beginning of the season just name it "ELITE EIGHT" na lang para mas bagay, di ba? Im sorry, I am a Kapamilya Fan but, if ABS CBN cannot do it, kung betterment lang nila ang pinag uusapan at hindi ang interest ng both parties, pitch it sa ibang network na gusto mag televise ng NCAA. Because I know for sure na they are going to stick it like hell with UAAP, no way na let go nila ito.

And just to add something, just an idea, why not both UAAP and NCAA have some kind of non televised division two of their leagues composing of six (6) or four (4) schools para pag may two (2) bad performing schools sa main league in terms of basketball ay puwede nila i-relegate ito sa Division two at Call up nila yung two best performing schools sa baba. The format is paralleled with the European Football. Para it will create true competition and excitement. And not to allow complacency among memeber schools of both leagues just because they are members of popular leagues and their games are televised they have the reason to suck and continue to lose without any consequences. Ganito naman sana, everybody should have fair chances of getting great opportunities, hindi lang yun sa kakaonti. DI BA??!!

And another thing, I am a really big fan of Phillipine Collegiate Champions League (PCCL). Kudos and props to those whose brainchild of theirs is another great way to inspire competition. Sana lang, full rosters din ang maglalaro sa kanya kanyang teams para mas magaganda ang mga laban.* ;D ;D


dapat nga i-drop ang words na National at Philippines kasi di naman buong Pinas ang nirerepresent ang dalawang liga na ito.

geographically speaking lahat ng member-schools ng mga ligang ito eh nasa NCR.

the same is applied with NAASCU - i-drop na rin ang term na national. di naman pangkalahatan ang membership ninyo.

CrossOver
10-14-2008, 10:15 PM
Oo nga ano hindi naman buong Pilipinas ang hawak ng UAAP & NCAA dahil ang true whole RP College League ay itong PCCL.

chinito_guy
10-15-2008, 02:52 PM
_- Sana Ma-Appreciate niyo -_

UAAP and NCAA are the two biggest names in the local collegiate basketball scene. Kasi, televised ang games nila, yun lang ang advantage nila. Don't get me wrong, I'm from San Beda and I love my school. It's just that I have also been hoping na mag-expand din naman sana ang parehong leagues. To better the competition, the excitement, and to create another rivalry and opposition. Kasi ang ngyayari, parang nagiging stagnant ang parehong liga dahil wala man lang expansion o development na ngyayari. Sana magdagdag sila ng 2 schools pareho para nman madagdagan yun hype ng tournament at competition. Ten (10) schools is an even number, I dont see any problem with that, mabubuhay din naman sila pareho kasi ganun din naman ang mangyayari; remember that NCAA games on monday are not televised, puwede naman. Kikita ka pa rin kahit di televised ang ibang games at hindi pa ito expensive sa network. And I have been wondering kung may meaning nga talaga ang "FINAL FOUR" kung ang competition at size ng tournament ay walo (8) lang naman. Why not not from the beginning of the season just name it "ELITE EIGHT" na lang para mas bagay, di ba? Im sorry, I am a Kapamilya Fan but, if ABS CBN cannot do it, kung betterment lang nila ang pinag uusapan at hindi ang interest ng both parties, pitch it sa ibang network na gusto mag televise ng NCAA. Because I know for sure na they are going to stick it like hell with UAAP, no way na let go nila ito.

And just to add something, just an idea, why not both UAAP and NCAA have some kind of non televised division two of their leagues composing of six (6) or four (4) schools para pag may two (2) bad performing schools sa main league in terms of basketball ay puwede nila i-relegate ito sa Division two at Call up nila yung two best performing schools sa baba. The format is paralleled with the European Football. Para it will create true competition and excitement. And not to allow complacency among memeber schools of both leagues just because they are members of popular leagues and their games are televised they have the reason to suck and continue to lose without any consequences. Ganito naman sana, everybody should have fair chances of getting great opportunities, hindi lang yun sa kakaonti. DI BA??!!

And another thing, I am a really big fan of Phillipine Collegiate Champions League (PCCL). Kudos and props to those whose brainchild of theirs is another great way to inspire competition. Sana lang, full rosters din ang maglalaro sa kanya kanyang teams para mas magaganda ang mga laban.* ;D ;D


dapat nga i-drop ang words na National at Philippines kasi di naman buong Pinas ang nirerepresent ang dalawang liga na ito.

geographically speaking lahat ng member-schools ng mga ligang ito eh nasa NCR.

the same is applied with NAASCU - i-drop na rin ang term na national. di naman pangkalahatan ang membership ninyo.



Hmmm kung di na NAASCU ano n kaya? LAASCU? Luzon Athletic.... pero in defense to NAASCU the league is expanding, ryt now they have a total of 11-12 teams from 10 last year, and their teams include HAU of Pampanga, SSCR-C of Cavite and LSB of Subic, if may isa team sa visaya at isa team sa Mindanao ba NAASCU karapatdapat na siya sa name na "National"AASCU? ???

thadzonline
10-15-2008, 03:04 PM
mahirap sa logistics pag may team from Visayas or Mindanao ang NAASCU

chinito_guy
10-15-2008, 03:10 PM
mahirap sa logistics pag may team from Visayas or Mindanao ang NAASCU


hahaha oo nga, i think laking problem nun, dito p nga lang with teams outside the Metro eh hirap na. Kaya i believe ok parin ang National sa name ng NAASCU ;D

D_I_A
10-16-2008, 03:17 PM
mahirap sa logistics pag may team from Visayas or Mindanao ang NAASCU


hahaha oo nga, i think laking problem nun, dito p nga lang with teams outside the Metro eh hirap na. Kaya i believe ok parin ang National sa name ng NAASCU* ;D


GMAASCU - Greater Manila Athletic Association of Schools Colleges and Universities..hehehe* ;D

ang tanong sa UAAP at NCAA di ko ma-imagine kung anong geographical area makokonsider kasi parehong kalat as NCR ang membership nito


UAAP:

UP - QC
Ateneo - QC
NU - Legarda Manila
Adamson - Taft Ave., Manila
DLSU - Taft Ave., Manila
UST - España, Manila
FEU - Morayta, Manila
UE - Recto, Manila


NCAA:

Mapua - Intramuros, Manila
Letran - Intramuros, Manila
SBC - Mendiola, Manila
SSC-R - Recto, Manila
UPHR - Las Piñas City
CSB - Taft Ave. , Manila
PCU - Taft Ave., Manila
JRU - Mandaluyong City

kaya impossible na buong Pilipinas nirerepresent nitong dalawang pinakamatandang liga sa kolehiyo sa Pilipinas

ang CESAFI malinaw na CEBU lang di ba. pero dapat maayos din ito, pwera na lang kung kukuha pa sila ng members sa iba't ibang panig ng bansa. pero mahirap yun dahil panibagong debate nanaman sa atin yan dito at sa mga boards ng UAAP at NCAA.

thadzonline
10-16-2008, 04:35 PM
Yung dating Cebu Amateur Athletic Association actually had Univ of Bohol as member, this was the league before CESAFI ;D

chinito_guy
10-16-2008, 05:26 PM
mahirap sa logistics pag may team from Visayas or Mindanao ang NAASCU


hahaha oo nga, i think laking problem nun, dito p nga lang with teams outside the Metro eh hirap na. Kaya i believe ok parin ang National sa name ng NAASCU* ;D


GMAASCU - Greater Manila Athletic Association of Schools College and Universites..hehehe* ;D



Hehehe tunog Ate Glow baka marami umangal na opposisyon nyan! :D :D :D

chinito_guy
10-17-2008, 04:09 PM
NCAA eyes roster of 10 teams in 2010
By June Navarro
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 05:59:00 10/17/2008


MANILA, Philippines—Two seasons from now, the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) will have 10 member schools under its wings.

In a marathon six-hour board meeting Thursday, the 84-year-old sports institution agreed to lay down the groundwork for the entry of two more schools in 2010.

The NCAA board officially accepted applications from Emilio Aguinaldo College, Arellano University, Centro Escolar University, Angeles University Foundation and Lyceum of the Philippines University besides getting feelers from Don Bosco Technical College-Mandaluyong and Technological Institute of the Philippines.

NCAA management committee (Mancom) chair Ding Lozano of host Mapua Institute of Technology said the league will pick from among these aspirants the school that will take the slot to be vacated by Philippine Christian University next year.

By 2010, two more schools from the pool of aspirants will be added to the roster, Lozano said.

The PCU Dolphins will take an indefinite leave of absence next season as part of the condition for the school’s reinstatement this year following a suspension slapped by the NCAA for fielding several ineligible players in 2006.

Lozano said PCU will also have to apply along with the other aspiring schools to rejoin the league in 2010 after serving a two-year suspension.

“The target is to maintain the membership of eight schools next year and increase the number by 2010,” said Lozano.

“We will start setting up the criteria for these applicants as soon as practical.”

A reliable source within the NCAA policy board revealed that an applicant needs to cough up P5 million as entry fee.

Once accepted, the school must also participate in the 10 sports calendared by the NCAA for the next three years with entries in the high school and collegiate levels.

Besides basketball, NCAA also holds competition in track and field, beach volleyball, chess, swimming, volleyball, taekwondo, lawn tennis, table tennis and football.

Meanwhile, the joint NCAA policy board and Mancom will still ask Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas executive director Noli Eala to explain in writing the circumstances surrounding the aborted pullout of referees in the recent NCAA Finals.

atenean_blooded
10-17-2008, 07:16 PM
I think it was brought up in an earlier thread (in the Hoopedia sub-forum, if I recall correctly) that one of the things facing an expanded league is a question of scheduling. Schools will probably have to work it out.

Given that the NCAA plans to expand its roster to 10, and if the UAAP follows suit, we're looking at a double round-robin of 18 games per team. That's 4 more games per team, or 40 more games, or 20 more playing days. Games, at least as far as the UAAP is concerned, are held on Thursdays and on weekends, so that will take at least 7 weeks more.

Assuming my math is correct, that's almost two more months, which may mean that the basketball season will have to start earlier and end later than it already does, which means it runs into more snags with school days and crucial school weeks like those reserved for final exams. And since schools can't just be expected to synchronize their academic calendars, this will be a bit tricky to schedule. And that's just talking about the elimination rounds.

I wonder how the NCAA plans to do this, and if it will indeed be something worth copying. Otherwise, the current set-up of leagues like the UAAP, with 8 teams, seems fine.

thadzonline
10-17-2008, 09:58 PM
pwede namang ibahin yong format cguro kung makabubuti. One scenario could be assigning the teams into brackets

nicksy
10-18-2008, 12:26 AM
pwede namang ibahin yong format cguro kung makabubuti. One scenario could be assigning the teams into brackets

or a single round robin, then eliminate na yun last 2 positions sa standings, then another round robin ulet to determine the final 4.

D_I_A
10-18-2008, 03:29 AM
pwede namang ibahin yong format cguro kung makabubuti. One scenario could be assigning the teams into brackets




pwede namang ibahin yong format cguro kung makabubuti. One scenario could be assigning the teams into brackets

or a single round robin, then eliminate na yun last 2 positions sa standings, then another round robin ulet to determine the final 4.


precisely para mas efficient!

-insane-
10-18-2008, 01:29 PM
hehehe problema na nila yung sched basta mas marami mas masaya wag lang mageexpect ng malaking crowd pag exams nd mga studyante like mapua na laging busy kaya kunti ang crowd nila ngayon lang sila dumami kasi sila ang host

chinito_guy
10-21-2008, 09:58 AM
Other leagues like NAASCU has more than 10 teams, and marami nga naeencounter na problem pero still managable pa rin. Nasa organizer n yan kung paano ang diskarte at kung saan mapapaganda ang liga.

D_I_A
10-25-2008, 07:06 AM
go for it!!!

duphaR007
10-27-2008, 10:52 AM
isnt it that there are players in the uaap-ncaa who are from luzon, visayas and mindanao? hindi naman kasi pwede na half ng players eh from the province siyempre mejo mahirap din talaga mag scout. eh yan na talaga ang name na nasimulan since before pa eh so i dont think iibahin pa yan.

expansion siguro ok pa. at least 10 teams but we have to think of the scheduling since nag aaral din siyempre ang mga players in both league. yun ngang 8 teams eh inaabot ng end of september anf finals what more kung 10 teams? baka abutin na yung final exams nila ng 1st sem diba usually october yun?

ano suggestion niyo? MMUAAP and MMCAA?

D_I_A
10-28-2008, 04:02 AM
isnt it that there are players in the uaap-ncaa who are from luzon, visayas and mindanao?* hindi naman kasi pwede na half ng players eh from the province siyempre mejo mahirap din talaga mag scout.* eh yan na talaga ang name na nasimulan since before pa eh so i dont think iibahin pa yan.*

expansion siguro ok pa. at least 10 teams but we have to think of the scheduling since nag aaral din siyempre ang mga players in both league.* yun ngang 8 teams eh inaabot ng end of september anf finals what more kung 10 teams?* baka abutin na yung final exams nila ng 1st sem diba usually october yun?*

ano suggestion niyo?* MMUAAP and MMCAA?


MMUAA and MMCAA..pwede..hehehe

kaso magrereact ang mga taga UAAP at NCAA kasi nasanay na sila sa ganun eh..

munkybear
10-28-2008, 12:09 PM
ano yan parang MMUAAP or MMNCAA champion lang ng Manila? wala akong problema dun, tapos single game elimination para isang national champion, yung mga magrereact kesyo mahirap "logistically" eh makitid lang mag-isip. discovery and development of talents ang dapat iniisip ng mga big boss ng Philippine sports, hindi lang basketball.

D_I_A
10-28-2008, 11:52 PM
ano yan parang MMUAAP or MMNCAA champion lang ng Manila? wala akong problema dun, tapos single game elimination para isang national champion, yung mga magrereact kesyo mahirap "logistically" eh makitid lang mag-isip. discovery and development of talents ang dapat iniisip ng mga big boss ng Philippine sports, hindi lang basketball.



dina-drop lang naman ang Philippine at National sa NCAA at UAAP since di naman National or entire Philippines ang scope ng dalawang liga na ito.. kaya nagsuggest na maging MMUAA or MMCAA na lang

h2o
10-31-2008, 06:28 AM
kilala na yung mga pangalan nila at tunog na buong bansa, ito ngayon ang PCCL ang legit na National at representing all leagues around the country.

john_paul_manahan
11-08-2008, 09:49 PM
think of the PCCL as the Philippine equivalent of the NCAA and the UAAP, NCAA, CESAFI, etc. being the other conferences.

of course there are more well-known conferences. for example: we can make analogies of the UAAP and NCAA being like the ACC or Pac-10.

skywalker
11-11-2008, 05:29 AM
I don't know whats in the mind of NCAA board. Why expand membership to 10? Personally, i think it is not good to have 10 schools especially kung ang reason nila is to have more crowd attendance and publicity. Heck, no way they can increase crowd support lalo na sa mga prospective schools na waiting to join NCAA. What the league needs is to have better and talented players na makaka attract ng crowd, not only from students and alumni of member schools but also from basketball patrons na walang NCAA connections like the time of Lim, Meneses, Patrimonio, Alvarez, Quilban. During those days, walang tv coverage ang NCAA but RMC was always filled with crowds, kahip elims pa lang, halos puno and RMC and they have a better crowd compared sa UAAP kapag elimination round pa lang. Isa pa, those schools mentioned na gustong maging member ng NCAA ay walang so called sports tradition meaning sports is not of there priorities. No offense meant sa mga schools na yon but I think wala din gaanong madadala silang crowd sa NCAA. Unless, NCAA is willing to accept Cebu base schools and play some games their, that would be exciting and more crowd support will surely come.

danny
11-11-2008, 07:43 AM
I still think the comparison is inadequate given that the US NCAA is a legitimate national association with governing powers over the different NCAA conferences. The PCCL has none of that power nor clout over the local leagues. We have different rules for the different local leagues, right?

Anyway, just to continue with the train of thought, the PCCL is actually the local version of MARCH MADNESS. March Madness-lite to be exact.

We can make an analogy but still it's not going to be the same (kaya nga analogy..boink..hehe ;D). Unless the local leagues are willing to submit to the authority of the PCCL in policy formulation and management. NOT. :)

D_I_A
11-14-2008, 01:12 AM
I still think the comparison is inadequate given that the US NCAA is a legitimate national association with governing powers over the different NCAA conferences. The PCCL has none of that power nor clout over the local leagues. We have different rules for the different local leagues, right?

Anyway, just to continue with the train of thought, the PCCL* is actually the* local version of MARCH MADNESS. March Madness-lite to be exact.

We can make an analogy but still it's not going to be the same (kaya nga analogy..boink..hehe ;D). Unless the local leagues are willing to submit to the authority of the PCCL in policy formulation and management. NOT. :)





dapat magstart yan sa SBP. It must start with SBP being the national sports association for basketball to muster all leagues whether amateur or commercial, regional/ grassroots or national and other age bracket leagues.

PCCL can only do a US NCAA if it gets the total support of the SBP and its member leagues.

john_paul_manahan
11-15-2008, 12:45 AM
in other words, the SBP ought to universalize the standards for eligibility.

that will be a problem. if so, it will probably simplify current rules in the uaap (which has probably the most stringent ones out there)

makotosing
11-16-2008, 12:20 AM
ano po yang RMC?

D_I_A
11-16-2008, 02:43 AM
in other words, the SBP ought to universalize the standards for eligibility.

that will be a problem. if so, it will probably simplify current rules in the uaap (which has probably the most stringent ones out there)



din naman siguro magiging too simplified, all collegiate leagues can sit in one boardroom and discuss all issues that divides them in order to have a unified and organized national league which is the PCCL.

the first which shall make sacrifices are the major collegiate leagues in the NCR like the UAAP and NCAA. If the these two would cooperate and drop their egos, others will follow suit including those in CEBU, NEGROS, Panay Island and Mindanao.

but it will take a lot of time and effort to bring all these things together.

that's why SBP must call for a National Basketball Congress to create a better roadmap for the collegiate ranks.