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D_I_A
06-18-2008, 01:11 AM
Malaya

BAP wants extra
Olmypic slot for Asia

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THE BAP-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas will spearhead a move by Asian countries that will seek an additional Olympic slot for the continent.

Noli Eala, newly-appointed executive director of the BAP-SBP, yesterday said the group will soon try to gather representatives of other Asian countries regarding this matter.

"We will try to meet with Asian leaders probably in Manila to seek for a common goal of one more slot to the Olympics," said Eala, former commissioner of the Philippine Basketball Association.

As things stand now, Asia is allowed only one slot in Olympic basketball, except this year where China, as host, was given an automatic slot, leaving another one up for grabs.

The Philippines failed to grab the opportunity when a star-studded PBA team was ousted in last year's FIBA Asia Championship in Tokushima, Japan. Iran, the champion, nailed the extra Olympic slot.

"I believe that it will be good for basketball in Asia to add another slot for the Olympics. It's an added aspiration for all Asian teams," said Eala during the PSA Forum at Shakey's UN Ave.

"At least laging mayroong goals or objectives and ibang team sa Asia," he added.

"The Tokushima experience where China was already seeded and another Asian seat being contested is a good example. All teams became stronger in the last Asian Championship.

"FIBA wants to strengthen its basketball program in every country and (this is) one way to give that program an additional boost," he said.
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sana 2 more slots pa, masyado ng masikip ang region natin para lang sa isang olympic slot..

oca
06-18-2008, 04:27 PM
The key here is for the 2 Asian representative to the Beijing Games to give a credible performance.

Up until 1972, Asia had two berths. But no Asian country has made it past the group stages since the group format was instituted.

Ayun, binawasan!

Magdasal ang mga gustong mag-lobby nang dagdag na spot na maganda ang ipakita ng ng Asian reps this coming Olympics. Dahil kung hindi, malabo mapagbigyan yan.

Imo, the best argument would be to use the very reason the second berth was taken away-- talunan daw. Kaya dapat magpanalo muna.

Ewan ko kung ma-gets yan ni Eala. ::)

Howard the Duck
06-20-2008, 02:33 AM
damihan na kasi up to 16 teams ang olympic teams nang walang problema

but that'll mean using a second arena so...

time1513
07-14-2008, 09:16 PM
guys who will be ur 12 man team to represent our country for 2009 qualifiers... and hopefully 2010 world championship! :D

time1513
07-14-2008, 09:45 PM
ok here is my possible 12 man rotation...

1. Jay Jay Helterbrand - i felt that he wasn't really utilized the last time he was in the team; a second shot wouldn't hurt.
2. Jimmy Alapag - showed that he belonged despite being the smallest member in the team; and his shooting will help a lot.
3. Kelly Williams - good rebounder and plays solid defense; not your prototypical power forward but could be used to press and play scrappy defense.
4. Gabe Norwood - big guard who can slide to the forward spot. could be a good creator and could be a softer version of kelly williams.
5. Arwind Santos - his rebounding will help and would bring a lot of defensive intensity; last time he played for team philippines he was still very raw.
6. Ryan Reyes - could be the future starting point guard on the team. big guard and plays with his heart and hustles; has to develop his shooting to be more effective in international competition.
7. James Yap - shooting guard; a bigger version of ren ren ritualo.
8. Don Don Hontiveros - captain of the team; team MVP second to alapag the last time he played.
9. Japeth Aguilar - after a year or 2 in the NCAA, he can be able to bang with the big boys. will be the lone solid big man in the team. very athletic which will be of help.
10. Jarred Dullinger - showed solid numbers during his last year in the NCAA as a starting point guard of a Div 1. school. should help but has to prove himself in the pro ranks.
11. Enrico Villanueva - physical defensive presence. his rebounding and intensity would help, tends to play with emotions and adrenalin rather than with his head, but this team needs another big body.
12. Mic Penisi - the veteran of the team. should be able to help with his shooting and his toughness. would pick him because of his toughness. (and if Guiao becomes coach then i guess he would fit in the system right away.)

If Coach Yeng becomes coach then i think this team would fit his system. he would like his team to run, and play with a free flowing offense that would allow everyone to have the go signal to shoot. they surely lack in height but would make up for their quickness and a scrappy team under Guiao would be good to see. i'm very excited. i think its time for us to show what we got to the world. ;D

durden_tyler
07-16-2008, 09:41 PM
Everybody likes Yeng, so it means it's up to Yeng to decide now. Well at least to most forums he is the unanimous option.

Here's my first post and my 12 to represent the country in 2009. Assuming that it is Guiao who is tapped for the next one to two years... a) There'll be a bunch of (good to great) players who will not be called upon because of attitude problem and the basic necessity to work within the system of a team; b) Dedication on defense c) Consistency (on both ends) off the floor despite inconsistent minutes (which is a tangent of letter a but needs to be addressed
nonetheless for emphasis)

For a) it's bye-bye to Mark Caguioa, Danny Seigle, Willie Miller and the likes. There are others as well but that's pretty much the A-list for the rather "selfish" and considered by many as non-team players (one way and the other) for b) the premium is on defensive bigmen and energy glue-guys; bye-bye to Yancy de Ocampo (we could use the 6 foot 9 frame with shooting but too lazy), to Arwind Santos (who is good but has very low basketball IQ), to KG Canaleta (who is as good as Santos but has the same level in basketball IQ; his three point shooting is improving though... just to mention some...

So here's my RP National Team for the 2009 qualifiers:

PG - Jimmy Alapag - Clearly his game elevates in the international scene. His heart exemplifies what Filipino basketball should be about)
- Ryan Reyes - As the above poster said he is one of the future premiere guards in the league, his size and heft and the ability to play the point is big in foreign land. Wasn't too impressed with Jay Jay Helterbrand in his last stint, i thought he showed too much immaturity for his age.

SG - Don Don Hontiveros - Couple or more booboos during the pre-tournaments (Jones Cup), but showed he can defend bigger players which is very important for the squad; also his offense did not suffer as much despite being used as one of the main perimeter defenders.
- James Yap - Gunners are at premium and he is the best shooter in the land. Can slide to the 3-spot as well.
- Ren Ren Ritualo - a specialist more than anything.

SF - Gabe Norwood - i hate to start him because he can play 3 positions and that's a luxury off the bench. Nonetheless, he is a shoo-in. He is the reason as well why we don't need a third point guard because he can play that position.

PF - Kelly Williams - may slide to the 3-spot when necessary and we want to go big. Slashing and a little bit of range plus his athleticism will surely help us
- Jay Washington - tough, tough draw on this one. But if we need quickness and defense and versatility, he fits the bill
- Ranidel de Ocampo - Impressive during his stint last time. Showed he can push even though his opponents were 4-5 inches taller. His range helps as well

C - Enrico Villanueva - Might want to start him just to send a message. Maybe too foul prone but he knows that already and we need his fire (and maybe pick a little fight against the foreigners here and there)
- Mick Pennissi - Rico and Mick again? Why not, our big man will be the enforcers and these two are the best in the business. The big errr slick also has that 3 pointer and that helps at the C-spot.
- Japeth Aguilar - More than anything the "project-slash-prospect" of the squad. If he has indeed showed improvement, well and good. If not the experience will pay off down the road.

Outside the bubble (Injury replacements)
Asi Taulava is turning 36 in 2009 and Pennissi is 2 years younger... He still can play but we only need one veteran presence down low and Pennisi's range gives him the nod. Helterbrand as i've mentioned is a good player but i think we need Reyes' and Norwood's size down at the position anyway... Cyrus Baguio could be an option, but outside of being Guiao's player his game doesn't fit the internationall ball... Kirby Raymundo showed a lot of heart last time as well, he can replace Aguilar if the latter is deemed not ready...

D_I_A
07-16-2008, 11:32 PM
you still have slaughter and gian chiu to consider..

durden_tyler
07-17-2008, 02:30 PM
Can't have too many prospects in the team. Maybe as the 14th and 15th players but they will never crack the lineup next year.

The_Big_Cat
07-17-2008, 02:41 PM
Coach: Yeng Guiao

My starters:

Jimmy Alapag (guard)
James Yap (guard)
Kelly Williams (forward)
Kerby Raymundo (forward)
Sonny Thoss (center)

Bench:

Mike Cortez (guard)
Mark Caguioa (guard)
Gabe Norwood (forward)
Jay Washington (forward)
Japeth Aguilar (center)
Ryan Reyes (guard)
Arwind Santos (forward)

Reserves:

Jason Castro (guard)
Ranidel De Ocampo (forward)
Gian Chiu (center)


All are under 30 years of age except for Jimmy & Mark.

Cortez can take the place of Jayjay. Ryan Reyes can be our best perimeter defender in place of Dondon and James Yap is our best catch-and-shoot player after Renren.

Howard the Duck
07-17-2008, 07:28 PM
qualifying? not if graham lim and pichay will do something about it ;)

al3x888
08-15-2008, 02:15 PM
My RP SQUAD:


Point Guards:

Jimmy Alapag 5'8-My Jason Kidd on the lineup..a bit old but surely he'll help the youngens

Ryan Reyes 6'1- Has great athleticism for a small guy..just needs to be consistent on the outside shot.

Gabe Norwood 6'5-great height and athleticism..just like Reyes has need polishing on the Jays.


Shooting Guards:

James Yap 6'3- a lot of people hate this guy but we need his shooting for the international game

Arwind Santos 6'4- He used to be a power forward on his college days..we need him to play defense against the taller big guards on the other squad.

Danny Seigle 6'6-Another war veteran..this guy has yet to prove himself in the international scene.


Small Forwards:

Kelly Williams 6'7-he's a shoe in need to say more..arguably the most athletic guy on the squad.

Joe Devance 6'8-has to be more consistent on his game.has need to improve on defense


Power Forwards:

Sonny Thoss 6'8-one of the better power forwards of today.Can be both a perimeter and a post up player.

Asi Taulava 6'9-Yea I decided to give the old guy a break and let him play the 4 spot instead.If Japeth lacks the low post game we need..this guy is the other option in the playbook ;D


Centers:

Japeth Aguilar 6'10-the guy could play forward/center..Could block shots but needs to gain more weight

Greg Slaughter 6'11- Very raw but needs to be exposed in the international arena.Asi could teach him a thing or two.

ave. height= 6'5(not bad) ;D


On My Reserve list:

Gian Chiu 6'10- (center)the guy dreams to play for the team but needs to work his way to get in.

Jason Castro 5'8-(guard)needs to play in the local pros.

Jay Washington 6'7-(forward)has to be more consistent on his game..but I'll choose him over Canaleta. :D

Jay-r Reyes 6'8-(forward)a tall and young player..could be a superstar in the making.

Mark Cagouia 5'11-(guard)has a mismatch disadvantage if he plays off guard against the taller opposition.Can be converted to a point guard but would decrease his productivity.

*note: we need Chip Engelland as a shooting coach on the squad if we want to improve our outside shots.

al3x888
08-20-2008, 05:21 PM
-no continuity of the programme all the planning seemed to go to waste after a year
-late preparation..all of them seem to act until the last 2 minutes..I mean.. months.
-unavailability of the good players..this seem to be the problem with the RP Youth Team..the good players are committed to something else..atleast SBP should try to talk to the school leagues or the school itself to lend it's players..we are not China that we have atleast 200 Million basketball players to choose from.
-lacking of exposure in the international scene..if we want to be the best then let's compete against the world's best.Even our Pro superstars are having trouble because they are unfamiliar of the opponents and even with the rules.
-Lack of quality big men..this have been the problem of RP since..the beginning of time.
-Being so inlove with the NBA type of play..this is how our players think..we are all superstars..give me the damn ball(too much 1 on 1 plays).
-international quality shooters...We have Allan Caidic before..but we fail to make another one like him.
-our failure to adopt or adjust...hire a foreign coach..naturalize..cheat atleast try to do something?!All we have are plans but we have less executions:D
-Our young players are not allowed to play in mature leagues..Ricky Rubio of Spain is just 17 years of age and is already an Olympian..he turned pro when he was only 14..Lets look at our next best thing..what we have is Chris Tiu who is already 23 and still playing College ball :p

Let the Olympics be our Wake up call..and I hope they(SBP/POC) would try doing something

ilovedhay
08-27-2008, 06:46 AM
We need a blend of young and veterans this coming tournament next year. This is my suggested line-ups for next year FIBA Asia Qualifier for 2010 World Championship.

Point Guard: Ryan Reyes - 6'1
Shooting Guard: Willie Miller - 5'10
Small Forward: Arwind Santos - 6'4
Power Forward: Noy Baclao - 6'5
Center: Japeth Aguilar - 6'11 (already?)
Point Guard: Kevin Dela Pena - 6'2
Shooting Guard: Ronjay Buenafe - 6'2
Small Forward: Gabe Norwood - 6'5
Power Forward: Kelly Williams - 6'6
Center: Sonny Thoss - 6'7
Small Forward: Rico Meierhofer - 6'6
Point Guard: Jimmy Alapag - 5'8

Coach: Yeng Guiao
Assistant Coach: Louie Alas and Franz Pumaren

john_paul_manahan
08-27-2008, 12:26 PM
We need a blend of young and veterans this coming tournament next year. This is my suggested line-ups for next year FIBA Asia Qualifier for 2010 World Championship.

Point Guard: Ryan Reyes* * - 6'1
Shooting Guard: Willie Miller - 5'10
Small Forward: Arwind Santos - 6'4
Power Forward: Noy Baclao - 6'5
Center: Japeth Aguilar - 6'11 (already?)
Point Guard: Kevin Dela Pena - 6'2
Shooting Guard: Ronjay Buenafe - 6'2
Small Forward: Gabe Norwood - 6'5
Power Forward: Kelly Williams - 6'6
Center: Sonny Thoss - 6'7
Small Forward: Rico Meierhofer - 6'6
Point Guard: Jimmy Alapag - 5'8

Coach: Yeng Guiao
Assistant Coach: Louie Alas and Franz Pumaren



man, we need to import some tall people... japeth is the only guy above 6'7

Howard the Duck
08-27-2008, 03:06 PM
the only way we won't qualify for FIBA Asia is if graham lim works his magic

m_14
08-27-2008, 03:58 PM
pang SEA games lang yang line up na yan e.

BigBlue
08-27-2008, 04:03 PM
pang SEA games lang yang line up na yan e.


so, m_14, who do you suggest we send?

m_14
08-30-2008, 11:13 AM
c'mon lets face it even if we send our strongest line up and make necessary preparations we just have to accept the reality that we're not at par with asia's best national teams...with the emergence of middle east teams the best we could possibly achieve is a spot in the quarterfinals...i mean it will definitely benefit the players in getting some international exposure but lets just focus our attention more on the local leagues that we have rather aim for the big picture that we all know is an impossible task to achieve.

Howard the Duck
08-30-2008, 12:20 PM
c'mon lets face it even if we send our strongest line up and make necessary preparations we just have to accept the reality that we're not at par with asia's best national teams...with the emergence of middle east teams the best we could possibly achieve is a spot in the quarterfinals...i mean it will definitely benefit the players in getting some international exposure but lets just focus our attention more on the local leagues that we have rather aim for the big picture that we all know is an impossible task to achieve.

with a better showing recently, we can improve our seeding hence have a more favorable draw para di na tayo mapunta sa group of death.

you'd also have to blame the BAP for sending z-list teams and the suspension that caused our seeding to go down considerably that's why we're stuck in the various groups of death

Semenelin
08-30-2008, 12:37 PM
c'mon lets face it even if we send our strongest line up and make necessary preparations we just have to accept the reality that we're not at par with asia's best national teams...with the emergence of middle east teams the best we could possibly achieve is a spot in the quarterfinals...i mean it will definitely benefit the players in getting some international exposure but lets just focus our attention more on the local leagues that we have rather aim for the big picture that we all know is an impossible task to achieve.

ano yun, parang ok lng sayo na hindi na magimprove ang basketball sa bansa natin? oo, totoo naman na hindi pa tayo "at par" sa ibang bansa pero hindi ibig sabihin e aayaw na agad tayo. kung may panlaban tayo, e di bigyan natin ng pinakamainim at pinakakaya natin na suporta. if they fail, atleast we had a chance to fight for the sport we love. if we win, e di masaya. ;D

CrossOver
08-30-2008, 01:16 PM
c'mon lets face it even if we send our strongest line up and make necessary preparations we just have to accept the reality that we're not at par with asia's best national teams...with the emergence of middle east teams the best we could possibly achieve is a spot in the quarterfinals...i mean it will definitely benefit the players in getting some international exposure but lets just focus our attention more on the local leagues that we have rather aim for the big picture that we all know is an impossible task to achieve.
Nah sige lang ng sige basta andun yung pursige hindi malayong bumalik ulit tayo sa *mundo* ng basketball.

korn666333
08-30-2008, 08:09 PM
jimmy alapag-point guard
willie miller-shooting guard
japeth aguilar-power forward/center
gabe norwood-forward
kelly williams-power forward

yan first five ko walang tutumba nyan na line-up...
dapat sila walang katakot takot mga taong yan...
masipag pa...

walang danny siegle at james yap...

daanin sa bilis dahil di gano tayong matatangkad...

m_14
08-31-2008, 10:17 PM
c'mon lets face it even if we send our strongest line up and make necessary preparations we just have to accept the reality that we're not at par with asia's best national teams...with the emergence of middle east teams the best we could possibly achieve is a spot in the quarterfinals...i mean it will definitely benefit the players in getting some international exposure but lets just focus our attention more on the local leagues that we have rather aim for the big picture that we all know is an impossible task to achieve.

ano yun, parang ok lng sayo na hindi na magimprove ang basketball sa bansa natin? oo, totoo naman na hindi pa tayo "at par" sa ibang bansa pero hindi ibig sabihin e aayaw na agad tayo. kung may panlaban tayo, e di bigyan natin ng pinakamainim at pinakakaya natin na suporta. if they fail, atleast we had a chance to fight for the sport we love. if we win, e di masaya.* ;D



ilang milyon pa ang kailangang gastusin para tayo makabalik sa tuktok ng asia??

Howard the Duck
09-01-2008, 05:12 PM
c'mon lets face it even if we send our strongest line up and make necessary preparations we just have to accept the reality that we're not at par with asia's best national teams...with the emergence of middle east teams the best we could possibly achieve is a spot in the quarterfinals...i mean it will definitely benefit the players in getting some international exposure but lets just focus our attention more on the local leagues that we have rather aim for the big picture that we all know is an impossible task to achieve.

ano yun, parang ok lng sayo na hindi na magimprove ang basketball sa bansa natin? oo, totoo naman na hindi pa tayo "at par" sa ibang bansa pero hindi ibig sabihin e aayaw na agad tayo. kung may panlaban tayo, e di bigyan natin ng pinakamainim at pinakakaya natin na suporta. if they fail, atleast we had a chance to fight for the sport we love. if we win, e di masaya. ;D



ilang milyon pa ang kailangang gastusin para tayo makabalik sa tuktok ng asia??

as long as it's an exclusively PRIVATE enterprise money shouldn't be a problem

myktristan
09-01-2008, 09:43 PM
with the right program, right coach and right system..maybe it's not too late for our basketball program..

wag lang talaga mapasukan ng pulitika..yun eh kung hindi papakialaman ng mga mahilig gumawa ng faction at manggulo lang talaga ang kayang gawin..

thadzonline
09-02-2008, 01:39 PM
c'mon lets face it even if we send our strongest line up and make necessary preparations we just have to accept the reality that we're not at par with asia's best national teams...with the emergence of middle east teams the best we could possibly achieve is a spot in the quarterfinals...i mean it will definitely benefit the players in getting some international exposure but lets just focus our attention more on the local leagues that we have rather aim for the big picture that we all know is an impossible task to achieve.

ano yun, parang ok lng sayo na hindi na magimprove ang basketball sa bansa natin? oo, totoo naman na hindi pa tayo "at par" sa ibang bansa pero hindi ibig sabihin e aayaw na agad tayo. kung may panlaban tayo, e di bigyan natin ng pinakamainim at pinakakaya natin na suporta. if they fail, atleast we had a chance to fight for the sport we love. if we win, e di masaya. ;D



ilang milyon pa ang kailangang gastusin para tayo makabalik sa tuktok ng asia??

as long as it's an exclusively PRIVATE enterprise money shouldn't be a problem


and as long as the program is premised on genuine national team development and not on the benefits the sponsors can get.

korn666333
09-02-2008, 04:33 PM
sana naman di muna lalaro sina japeth aguilar at gian chu sa PBA or other league, yaan nyo sila laro sa ibang bansa para lalong gaganda laro nila. baka next year dito na sila lalaro. mag iba na laro nila. pangit non. don nalang muna sila sa labas. tapos pag may recruit national team jan na sila papatry-out, and they will have to play on their position.

m_14
09-02-2008, 08:44 PM
sana naman di muna lalaro sina japeth aguilar at gian chu sa PBA or other league, yaan nyo sila laro sa ibang bansa para lalong gaganda laro nila. baka next year dito na sila lalaro. mag iba na laro nila. pangit non. don nalang muna sila sa labas. tapos pag may recruit national team jan na sila papatry-out, and they will have to play on their position.




don't worry makakarating sa kanila...

thadzonline
09-03-2008, 11:09 AM
Originally Posted by nardy
Palaro
PBA coach pa rin ang pipiliin para sa National team

Wednesday, September 3, 2008


Sa hanay ng mga head coaches sa Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) ang tatanghalin ni PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios bilang mentor ng itatayong national team para sa susunod na dalawang taon.

“The basic criteria of course, the one whom we feel is best prepared to lead the national team within the limitation that the association has,” ani Barrios kahapon. “May limitation kasi tayo, like hindi sila bubunutin sa mother team nila during the season. That’s one big limitation.”

Ang dalawang international tournaments na sasabakan ng RP 5 ay ang FIBA-Asia Men’s Championships sa Seytembre sa China at ang 2011 edition nito na gustong pamahalaan ng Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP).

Ang 2009 FIBA-Asia event ang siyang magiging qualifying tournament para sa 2010 World Championships, samantalang ang 2011 FIBA-Asia cagefest ang siyang Olympic qualifier para sa 2012 London Games.

Sa 2007 FIBA-Asia Men’s Championships sa Tukoshima, Japan, nagtapos bilang ninth-placer ang San Miguel-Pilipinas ni Chot Reyes na naging qualifying event para sa nakaraang 2008 Beijing Games sa China.

Ayon kay Barrios, hindi muna niya ilalantad ang ilan sa mga coaches na iniisip niyang maaaring tumayong national mentor.

“What I can say is that, I’m keeping very quiet. And I will just announce the name,” sabi ni Barrios. “I don’t want it to look like I choose one over another or others kasi minsan nagiging counter-productive ‘yung ganoon eh.”

Sa basbas ng buong PBA Board of Governors na pinangungunahan ni Joaqui Trillo ng Alaska bilang bagong chairman, nabigyan si Barrios ng kapangyarihang mamili ng magiging national head coach. (Russell Cadayona)

got this article somewhere. I am so apalled by Barrios' and the PBA's seeming lack of dead serious concern for such a very important endeavour of bringing the Philippines back to the basketball map of Asia. The highlighted statement above just shows the PBA's non-recognizance of the importance of having a full-time coach for the National Team.

joelex
09-03-2008, 02:07 PM
i dont think one could blame the pba if some of their actions may not be 100% supportive of a national basketball program. I think with all the support theyve given the past decade, the results everyone desired never materialized. I think its high time we Filipinos accept that winning in the international stage is just too much to ask for our homegrown players, even in asian competitions we are having difficulty coping with the contenders. We even had to rally against China's B team to get a measly 3 point win. How then are we even dreaming of competing with China's main team who up to this day cant get past the world's best teams.

tama na pagkamartyr, lets just allow the PBA to do the best they could to help the national team and the condition that no pull out from the mother teams could just stay as it is. besides dati puro ganun talunan din naman.

Zanarkand
09-03-2008, 06:11 PM
Barrios and most of the PBA board obviously don't care about helping in forming our NT. The 2 year window they have committed up to 2010 is pathetic of them, to say the least. The best players we have play in the PBA and they should never be off limits when it comes to forming the NT. The PBA should realize that their concept is flawed. It shouldn't be them telling the national federation what it wants but it should be the other way around. Look at the other pro leagues overseas, do they impose the same thing on their basketball federation? I don't think so.

Semenelin
09-03-2008, 06:25 PM
ilang milyon pa ang kailangang gastusin para tayo makabalik sa tuktok ng asia??

kung may gusto gumastos ng pera na hindi galing sa buwis ng taong bayan, unlimited. kung gusto ng private citizens and corporation na sa basketball magpondo ng pera, desisyon nila yun. pera nila yun e.

regarding the local leagues, ok naman yun sinabi mo e. hindi ba pwede sabay na idevelop and national team at local leagues natin? di ba sa local leagues din naman nanggagaling ang mga national players natin? ang mga pro players natin karamihan galing din sa local leagues. watak sila, La Liga is trying to sort some order to that. sana maging successful sila at yun ibang liga e sumanib sa kanila.
pero ano po ba ang maipapayo mo tungkol sa local leagues?

Howard the Duck
09-03-2008, 08:19 PM
IMHO, dapat ang national team coach dapat mag-resign sa mother club niya. it should be a full-time effort

D_I_A
09-03-2008, 08:20 PM
i dont think one could blame the pba if some of their actions may not be 100% supportive of a national basketball program. I think with all the support theyve given the past decade, the results everyone desired never materialized. I think its high time we Filipinos accept that winning in the international stage is just too much to ask for our homegrown players, even in asian competitions we are having difficulty coping with the contenders. We even had to rally against China's B team to get a measly 3 point win. How then are we even dreaming of competing with China's main team who up to this day cant get past the world's best teams.

tama na pagkamartyr, lets just allow the PBA to do the best they could to help the national team and the condition that no pull out from the mother teams could just stay as it is. besides dati puro ganun talunan din naman.


history is so clear kung bakit talagang di na natin makubra ang Asian Championship sa Men's division, partly PBA is to blame for it. Since its inception in 1975 as MICABA it broke away from the then BAP headed by Lito Puyat, the rest is history..PBA continues to raid the ranks of getting the best players that could play for the National team.

BAP too has to be blamed, it became powerless and lost its grip in Philippine basketball in which politics and corruption plagued the sport. Commercial and school leagues were left to fend for themselves, which later became independent and invidualistic from the basketball NSA. Commercialism of the sport weakened the drive of players to represent our flag. On some occasions some players would reason injuries, personal matters, agents' or friends' advice just to cloak their non participation to the national teams.

But nevertheless, PBA under the baton of Noli Eala, provided a new direction for the league's participation by realigning its calendar and giving its all out support for the national team only to resign in 2007 because of pressure coming from his disbarment case and history continues to unfold, the current PBA is becoming the old PBA of the 1970's era that it needs to revitalize it's existence by promoting it's commercial interests first while doing lip service that they should and would also support the National Basketball Program.

More is to done by the PBA if it's really serious of supporting SBP's national basketball effort. The school leagues needs to sacrifice too as mention in Pachador's thread, these leagues are acting like small independent republics just like the PBA. Power, influence and hype(publicity) for their respective leagues seems to be more important than helping the national cause.

Sponsorships must also be well defined as not to derail the national basketball program, the same with the media exposure or tv coverage which seems to dictate the school leagues' direction. Players are not easily loaned to the national team. Schools', school leagues' and their sponsors' nod are needed before they are cleared to play for our country, logically, it has something to do with the hype brought about by these players into their schools and leagues.

Lastly, SBP can also be blamed, though it had laid out its program for Mens, Age-group brackets (I still have to see the womens divison to be developed) but it lacks in asserting its role as the basketball NSA. Recently, FIBA has reiterated its support for the SBP, but it really has a problem expanding its influence in the basketball scene especially in the regional and provincial levels given that BAP is still creating distractions at the sidelines. Second, the SBP needs to pressure major school leagues like UAAP, NCAA and CESAFI regarding its full and unconditional cooperation for the national basketball program.But this would only happen if SBP will really assert its dominance or influence in our sport.

Wishful thinking. * *

joelex
09-03-2008, 10:10 PM
Barrios and most of the PBA board obviously don't care about helping in forming our NT. The 2 year window they have committed up to 2010 is pathetic of them, to say the least. The best players we have play in the PBA and they should never be off limits when it comes to forming the NT. The PBA should realize that their concept is flawed. It shouldn't be them telling the national federation what it wants but it should be the other way around. Look at the other pro leagues overseas, do they impose the same thing on their basketball federation? I don't think so.


they give all out support because the prospects of success internationally is very good and realistic. the returns are favorable and all worth it. if that were the case for us, i dont see any reason why we shoudnt do the same. Its just like investing in an unstable industry.

im not saying the league should ban players from competing abroad but looking at the whole situation, i dont see any convenience sacrificing for the country (and the mother ballclubs who spend millions for their superstars) when the probability of bringing some semblance of achievement in international competition hasnt gone up since the inception of the centennial team 10 years ago. In fact, we seem to have fared poorer thru time despite recruiting "imports" who havent even played in the PBA. And come to think of it, one cant be 100% proud of a team made up of only 3 pure blooded locals. If you were a foreigner, would you imagine a filipino looking like mick pennisi?*

If we only fared more respectably* in the past despite losing, im all for the continuation of a year round training for the NT.

Howard the Duck
09-04-2008, 09:18 AM
the PBA should realize that if the NT wins in major international tourneys, gate receipts will grow


even if BGK is not playing

CrossOver
09-04-2008, 10:07 AM
Ang maganda kasi sa International competition na eexpose ang player sa ibang bansa. Naalala ko if pano pinahanga nina Jimmy Alapag, Mark Caguioa & Kelly Williams ang asian neighbor natin kaya double purpose if pagpapatuloy nila ang support sa Sr. RP Team, natutulungan na nila ang ating bansa mas na propromote pa nila PBA International at for sure mas madaming fans ang manunuod.

D_I_A
09-04-2008, 11:22 AM
the PBA should realize that if the NT wins in major international tourneys, gate receipts will grow


even if BGK is not playing



Precisely!!! ;)

Zanarkand
09-04-2008, 06:54 PM
Barrios and most of the PBA board obviously don't care about helping in forming our NT. The 2 year window they have committed up to 2010 is pathetic of them, to say the least. The best players we have play in the PBA and they should never be off limits when it comes to forming the NT. The PBA should realize that their concept is flawed. It shouldn't be them telling the national federation what it wants but it should be the other way around. Look at the other pro leagues overseas, do they impose the same thing on their basketball federation? I don't think so.


they give all out support because the prospects of success internationally is very good and realistic. the returns are favorable and all worth it. if that were the case for us, i dont see any reason why we shoudnt do the same. Its just like investing in an unstable industry.

im not saying the league should ban players from competing abroad but looking at the whole situation, i dont see any convenience sacrificing for the country (and the mother ballclubs who spend millions for their superstars) when the probability of bringing some semblance of achievement in international competition hasnt gone up since the inception of the centennial team 10 years ago. In fact, we seem to have fared poorer thru time despite recruiting "imports" who havent even played in the PBA. And come to think of it, one cant be 100% proud of a team made up of only 3 pure blooded locals. If you were a foreigner, would you imagine a filipino looking like mick pennisi?*

If we only fared more respectably* in the past despite losing, im all for the continuation of a year round training for the NT.



It used to be that the PBA can haphazardly form a team and have it practice for only a month or two and still be competitive enough in the Asian scene. But that was back in the 90s when the Middle Eastern countries weren't as competitive, but now they are. The reason why we haven't improved is precisely because of this old line of thinking by the PBA that a 2 month preparation period is enough. Look at our neighboring countries! Their pro leagues work hand in hand with their national federation and make things really work out. The pro leagues schedule their tournament so as not to interfere with international meet schedules. The pro teams easily allow their players to play for their NT during every offseason. Take note: these pro leagues are also mostly commercial leagues themselves. They also risk losing support for any dismal performance by their NT. But do they do that? No! You see, national duty takes precedence over commercial and personal interests. That is what is missing with our basketball scene. Too many leagues and most of them paying lip service in their support for the national cause.

thadzonline
09-04-2008, 10:54 PM
i dont think one could blame the pba if some of their actions may not be 100% supportive of a national basketball program. I think with all the support theyve given the past decade, the results everyone desired never materialized. I think its high time we Filipinos accept that winning in the international stage is just too much to ask for our homegrown players, even in asian competitions we are having difficulty coping with the contenders. We even had to rally against China's B team to get a measly 3 point win. How then are we even dreaming of competing with China's main team who up to this day cant get past the world's best teams.

tama na pagkamartyr, lets just allow the PBA to do the best they could to help the national team and the condition that no pull out from the mother teams could just stay as it is. besides dati puro ganun talunan din naman.


history is so clear kung bakit talagang di na natin makubra ang Asian Championship sa Men's division, partly PBA is to blame for it. Since its inception in 1975 as MICABA it broke away from the then BAP headed by Lito Puyat, the rest is history..PBA continues to raid the ranks of getting the best players that could play for the National team.

BAP too has to be blamed, it became powerless and lost its grip in Philippine basketball in which politics and corruption plagued the sport. Commercial and school leagues were left to fend for themselves, which later became independent and invidualistic from the basketball NSA. Commercialism of the sport weakened the drive of players to represent our flag. On some occasions some players would reason injuries, personal matters, agents' or friends' advice just to cloak their non participation to the national teams.

But nevertheless, PBA under the baton of Noli Eala, provided a new direction for the league's participation by realigning its calendar and giving its all out support for the national team only to resign in 2007 because of pressure coming from his disbarment case and history continues to unfold, the current PBA is becoming the old PBA of the 1970's era that it needs to revitalize it's existence by promoting it's commercial interests first while doing lip service that they should and would also support the National Basketball Program.

More is to done by the PBA if it's really serious of supporting SBP's national basketball effort. The school leagues needs to sacrifice too as mention in Pachador's thread, these leagues are acting like small independent republics just like the PBA. Power, influence and hype(publicity) for their respective leagues seems to be more important than helping the national cause.

Sponsorships must also be well defined as not to derail the national basketball program, the same with the media exposure or tv coverage which seems to dictate the school leagues' direction. Players are not easily loaned to the national team. Schools', school leagues' and their sponsors' nod are needed before they are cleared to play for our country, logically, it has something to do with the hype brought about by these players into their schools and leagues.

Lastly, SBP can also be blamed, though it had laid out its program for Mens, Age-group brackets (I still have to see the womens divison to be developed) but it lacks in asserting its role as the basketball NSA. Recently, FIBA has reiterated its support for the SBP, but it really has a problem expanding its influence in the basketball scene especially in the regional and provincial levels given that BAP is still creating distractions at the sidelines. Second, the SBP needs to pressure major school leagues like UAAP, NCAA and CESAFI regarding its full and unconditional cooperation for the national basketball program.But this would only happen if SBP will really assert its dominance or influence in our sport.

Wishful thinking.


and aside from asserting its influence and blessing from FIBA as the NSA for basketball, SBP should also convince stakeholders about the feasibility of their programs in the long term. It appears now, that many of SBP programs are more pipe dreams that do not get in touch with the real problems that plague the sport

thadzonline
09-04-2008, 11:04 PM
Barrios and most of the PBA board obviously don't care about helping in forming our NT. The 2 year window they have committed up to 2010 is pathetic of them, to say the least. The best players we have play in the PBA and they should never be off limits when it comes to forming the NT. The PBA should realize that their concept is flawed. It shouldn't be them telling the national federation what it wants but it should be the other way around. Look at the other pro leagues overseas, do they impose the same thing on their basketball federation? I don't think so.


they give all out support because the prospects of success internationally is very good and realistic. the returns are favorable and all worth it. if that were the case for us, i dont see any reason why we shoudnt do the same. Its just like investing in an unstable industry.

im not saying the league should ban players from competing abroad but looking at the whole situation, i dont see any convenience sacrificing for the country (and the mother ballclubs who spend millions for their superstars) when the probability of bringing some semblance of achievement in international competition hasnt gone up since the inception of the centennial team 10 years ago. In fact, we seem to have fared poorer thru time despite recruiting "imports" who havent even played in the PBA. And come to think of it, one cant be 100% proud of a team made up of only 3 pure blooded locals. If you were a foreigner, would you imagine a filipino looking like mick pennisi?

If we only fared more respectably in the past despite losing, im all for the continuation of a year round training for the NT.


Question is have we even prepared enough for the kind of success we wanted. Forming the national team in less than a year before competition is way too disadvantageous against countries that have a program that has been institutionalized for so many years already, all they have to do when they prepare for a competition is to fine tune things while we start from scratch

joelex
09-04-2008, 11:52 PM
Its not about how the system for preparation is done, but the realistic chances we have given our natural talent, skills, and most importantly size to be competitive. We can hire the Boston Celtic coaching staff if we want but still we cannot do anything about the individual skills of our pool of players. I totally agree anyway that we can do a lot better in forming our NT squad but realistically sinong gaganahan given our past performances.

i think wilfred uytengsu said it best recently at the PBA press corps awards night when he was quoted as saying that the game has "gone beyond the reach of Filipinos" and is played "above the rim".

pachador
09-04-2008, 11:53 PM
I agree. By not preparing properly, thoroughly and constantly, we are just setting ourselves up for failure.






Question is have we even prepared enough for the kind of success we wanted. Forming the national team in less than a year before competition is way too disadvantageous against countries that have a program that has been institutionalized for so many years already, all they have to do when they prepare for a competition is to fine tune things while we start from scratch

thadzonline
09-05-2008, 12:07 AM
Its not about how the system for preparation is done, but the realistic chances we have given our natural talent, skills, and most importantly size to be competitive. We can hire the Boston Celtic coaching staff if we want but still we cannot do anything about the individual skills of our pool of players. I totally agree anyway that we can do a lot better in forming our NT squad but realistically sinong gaganahan given our past performances.

knowing that we have not prepared fully well, it only says that we have not really given our full effort yet. So do we just say stop because our half-hearted effort did not yield any results? Or do we give it another try, but give it a real complete effort this time? Although chances of winning an olympic medal in basketball may be very slim, that is not the case at all in Asia. Because even with mediocre preparation we have proven to be still competitive against the likes of Iran, an Olympic team. In fact we beat the same Iranian team prior to FIBA Asia. That without the best preparation we can give our NT



i think wilfred uytengsu said it best recently at the PBA press corps awards night when he was quoted as saying that the game has "gone beyond the reach of Filipinos" and is played "above the rim".


why would I take a quote like that from a PBA team so seriously? When he has his own selfish interests in the league that destroyed the dynamics of a sport Filipinos so loved

Howard the Duck
09-05-2008, 12:10 AM
Despite the bad press of the NT, if you think about it, we were just one FT, one FG, one call, one technical foul away from winning. It's not we're being blown out a la the UPIS Junior Maroons. We're hanging tough.

D_I_A
09-05-2008, 12:26 AM
and aside from asserting its influence and blessing from FIBA as the NSA for basketball, SBP should also convince stakeholders about the feasibility of their programs in the long term. It appears now, that many of SBP programs are more pipe dreams that do not get in touch with the real problems that plague the sport


that's why it really needs to reach out and touch base with those provincial and regioanal stakeholders not just those NCR based leagues.

joelex
09-07-2008, 04:52 AM
More focus on winnable sporting events should be of primary importance rather than the more popular basketball sport for our country. Its nice to enjoy all the ballgames going on within our country but expectations in international play should be lowered IMO. You can browse thru once again the FIBA ASIA 07 thread and see all the posts there talking of how much more superior the other teams are. In fact it refreshed my memory that we placed 9th(?) overall? That's just pathetic. So much for spending mutltimillion bucks for the sport. The NT may be good for the fans like all of us and giving false hope, but coming from the point of view of those tasked to invest, handle and organize the NT, its an altogether different thing, and should be given understanding as well on their perceived reluctance to support a very unpredictable squad so to speak.

Today's Q. Henson article in the STAR also featured more of Mr.Uytengsu's speech on Olympic competition and shoud enlighten us all.

Interesting to note that Quinito, who we all know is a major supporter of the pro league and its supposed competitiveness here and abroad, published in his article what sounds like more of an antidote to his previous stance on the NT.* ;)

thadzonline
09-07-2008, 02:19 PM
I understand your point completely but love of the sport can transcend just winning. Just look at those soccer loving countries who havent won anything and try telling them the same thing

PilipinasFan
09-11-2008, 12:17 AM
indeed, what sbp executive director Noli Eala had been planning all this time would be really beneficial for philippine basketball., the hiring of a foreign coach, the formation of three separate national teams(youth, cadet and seniors team) , the establishment of national training pools in the US, etc. pretty good, right? but can all of these really bring us back to the 2012 quadrennial games? i don't think so., maybe 4 years is not yet enough to somehow get our teams at par with our asian counterparts., we need more time and exposures.,

i am not saying that i don't believe in the chances of our national team(FIlipinos are one of the greatest ballers in the world for me)., only that i don't want to expect to much., besides, the 9th place finish in the Fiba asia seniors and the 7th place finish in the Fiba asia juniors doesn't provide any encouragements for me to have lofty expectations and believe that much.,

maybe, what all of us need to do right now is to accept the fact that we have to look beyond 2012. the 2016 games perhaps. this way, we can prevent ourselves from getting stabbed by our expectations itself.,

PilipinasFan
09-11-2008, 12:24 AM
who do i like to compose a 15 man Rp NAtional team:

1. Jimmy Alapag
2. James Yap
3. Cyrus Baguio
4. Kerby Raymundo
5. Kelly Williams
6. Gabe Norwood
7. Sonny Thoss
8. Jason Castro
9. Arwind Santos
10. Ryan Reyes
11. Jay Washington
12. Peter Jun Simon
13. Japeth Aguilar
14. KG Canaleta
15. Gian Chiu

What do you think?

korn666333
09-11-2008, 03:52 PM
lagay natin si willie miller tol.palitan ung matatakoting tao.di uubra team pag may ganon.takot mawalan ng career.

pachador
09-12-2008, 01:14 AM
I do not believe what the lebanese official said that china and japan will be given priority to host the next fiba-asia tournament due to marketing considerations. While that is a valid consideration since they have big populations, both countries have recently hosted fiba tournaments so for them to host more fiba tournaments smacks of monopolism. They are trying to corner the hosting of fiba tournaments. The hosting of FIBA tournaments should be given to other countries such as the Philippines for as long as the country has adequate facilities, and definitely, in the case of the Philippines we have basketball facilities everywhere. The SBP should not let this lebanese official fool them and the SBP should pull out all the stops to host the FIBA-Asia tournament.

SBP softens stand on BAP
By Joaquin Henson
Friday, September 12, 2008


At its inception, the POC-recognized NSA for basketball was called the BAP-Samahang Basketbol Ng Pilipinas as a conciliatory gesture to the defunct Basketball Association of the Philippines.

Eventually, the reference to the BAP was dropped because it became irrelevant and now, the NSA is known only as the SBP, the country’s sole FIBA affiliate. But remnants of the BAP leadership refused to fade away, resorting to a smear campaign to discredit the SBP in what was perceived to be a losing cause.

In a change of heart, SBP executive director Noli Eala yesterday opened the door for the BAP to join as a regular member.

Eala said he spoke to FIBA secretary-general Patrick Baumann during the recent Beijing Olympics and mentioned he would reach out to the BAP.

“The SBP is strong in the elite program while the BAP could use its old network for grassroots development,” said Eala.

However, Eala said the BAP must recognize the SBP leadership as a condition for its acceptance into the fold.

“We are open to the idea of working with the BAP,” he said. “But the BAP must recognize the leadership of Mr. (Manny) Pangilinan as president. I see no problem working with the BAP. We will treat the BAP just like any SBP member, league or association. But we will not tolerate the BAP trying to usurp the SBP’s authority.”

While in Tehran for the recent under-18 Youth Championships, Eala conferred with FIBA-Asia deputy secretary-general Hagop Khajirian of Lebanon on the possibility of Manila hosting the 2011 men’s tournament, which will be the regional qualifier for the London Olympics.

“Mr. Khajirian welcomed our offer,” said Eala. “However, I was told the preference is for China or Japan to host in 2009 or 2011 because of marketing considerations. If China declines to host in 2009, it will be given priority to host in 2011.”

Eala said the Olympic basketball format in London may change, pending IOC approval at the Copenhagen congress next year.

In Beijing, only 12 countries participated in basketball with Iran representing Asia as China had a guaranteed ticket as host nation. In London, FIBA is proposing to expand the field to 16 countries with a limit of 10 players per team instead of 12. There is also a plan to merge Asia and Oceania under a common zone with three Olympic slots. At present, Asia and Oceania are allocated one spot each.

Australia is the perennial Olympic basketball entry for Oceania, leaving out New Zealand. If Asia and Oceania are merged for three spots, Australia and New Zealand could qualify together.

Eala also bared plans of organizing a National Team management group, similar to the USA Basketball model, to lay the groundwork for representation in international competitions.

The management group will be headed by Bernie Atienza, concurrently SBP chairman of the competition committee. Members will be two from the pro sector, three from the collegiate sector (NCAA, UAAP and CESAFI), two from the amateur commercial sector (PBL, Liga), two national coaches (Chot Reyes, Norman Black), two coaches (Yayoy Alcoseba will be one) and Eala as executive director.

Eala said a national pool will be assembled soon and a team formed to play at the Haarlem invitationals in Amsterdam in December. Angola and Holland will participate in the tournament.

Eala said starting next month, the SBP will undertake a roadshow for its members all over the country.

“We’re going around to touch base with our members and strengthen our network,” he said. “We’ll promote our programs and establish a one-stop shop, like an express lane, for leagues to become SBP membWe’re consolidating the efforts of all the basketball stakeholders under one roof to make sure we cover every league, group and association.”

Eala said the creation of the Regulatory and Standards Committee under Moying Martelino will address issues of officiating, playing and coaching. In the referees program, Eala said the goal is to increase the country’s roster of international referees from five to 10 or 15.

“We are closely coordinating with FIBA in our referees program,” said Eala. “That’s why we’re bringing in Mr. (Lubomir) Kotleba and Col. (Lee (Kak Kuan) next week to conduct a referees seminar.” Kotleba of the Slovak Republic is the FIBA sports director while Col. Lee of Korea is the FIBA-Asia technical director.

Eala said recruiting a foreign coach and a naturalized player for the national team is under consideration. Candidates for foreign coach include Rajko Toroman and Vlade Djorovic of Serbia, Bernardo Murphy of Argentina, Alan Richardson of England, former PBA import Andy Fields and Jonas Kazlauskas and Rimas Kurtinaitis of Lithuania.

“We’re looking at a foreign coach who is a mentor-type,” said Eala. “He must be willing to relocate and develop and train our young players for international competition.”

Eala said the SBP is exploring all options to put the country back on track as a basketball power in Asia.

PilipinasFan
09-12-2008, 11:28 PM
as we all know, i mean all the people in the world know, Filipinos are not gifted with height. but despite this, we still love basketball. hmm? is basketball really worth the attention it gets from us, the filipinos when in fact, basketball can not bring the same pride that boxing gives to our country? is basketball really worth the time we put into it despite the fact that since we lack ceiling we can't bring home prstigious trophies?

the answer to the question is a big YES! its true that our national team finds it difficult to top competitions nowadays. its true that we should accept the fact that we already are below the standards of other teams. but to us filipinos, basketball is not always about the trophies and the confettis, basketball to us is about fun and enjoyment. basketball is a source of laughter for all of us. even if our team loses, what is important is we enjoyed, we cried and we cheered. it is through basketball that we are one in being proud of our being Filipinos. and as long as we experience all of these things, basketball shall always expect love from us.

a_ron
09-13-2008, 10:38 PM
There is still hope even thou we are not gifted in height but remember David defeated Goliath...

thadzonline
09-13-2008, 11:13 PM
being not gifted with height just make victories sweeter and defeats easier to accept :p

a_ron
10-06-2008, 11:43 AM
[b]who do i like to compose a 15 man Rp NAtional team:

1. Jimmy Alapag
2. James Yap
3. Cyrus Baguio
4. Kerby Raymundo
5. Kelly Williams
6. Gabe Norwood
7. Sonny Thoss
8. Jason Castro
9. Arwind Santos
10. Ryan Reyes
11. Jay Washington
12. Peter Jun Simon
13. Japeth Aguilar
14. KG Canaleta
15. Gian Chiu

What do you think

minus June simon why not add Greg Slaughter

korn666333
10-07-2008, 02:50 PM
1.gabe norwood
2.kelly williams
3.willie miller
4.jimmy alapag
5.greg slaughter

lagay nyo yan sa line-up.need ng team yan mga tao na yan.walang paki sa kalaban kahit gano ka taas basta mananalo lang ang team ng pilipinas.

james yap
jun simon
kj canaleta

wag muna sali yan di gano magaling.
porma lang.

thadzonline
10-07-2008, 03:59 PM
yes coach ;D :p

PilipinasFan
10-08-2008, 09:27 PM
well, this is what i want to compose thr rp national team.,
FIRST FIVE
1. Gabe Norwood
2. Kelly Williams
3. Sonny Thoss
4. James Yap
5. Jimmy Alapag
PLAYERS OFF THE BENCH
6. Cyrus Baguio
7. Enrico Villanueva
8. Arwind Santos
9. Kerby Raymundo
10. Gary David
11. Ryan Reyes
12. Jay Washington
RESERVES:
13. Japeth Aguilar
14. Gian Chiu
15. Gregory Slaughter

a_ron
10-08-2008, 10:08 PM
well, this is what i want to compose thr rp national team.,
FIRST FIVE
1. Gabe Norwood
2. Kelly Williams
3. Sonny Thoss
4. James Yap
5. Jimmy Alapag
PLAYERS OFF THE BENCH
6. Cyrus Baguio
7. Enrico Villanueva
8. Arwind Santos
9. Kerby Raymundo
10. Gary David
11. Ryan Reyes
12. Jay Washington
RESERVES:
13. Japeth Aguilar
14. Gian Chiu
15. Gregory Slaughter


this is much better.....

thadzonline
10-08-2008, 10:37 PM
ako I want to give the chosen coach the freehand to choose whoever fits his system..kaya nga national coach siya eh

a_ron
10-08-2008, 10:45 PM
ako I want to give the chosen coach the freehand to choose whoever fits his system..kaya nga national coach siya eh


I agree sir Thadz,Dapat lang

insulares
10-19-2008, 09:48 AM
We thought the 2007-Fiba Asia "Group of Death" was bad.* But how about a potential "Bracket from Hell" in the 2011 Fiba-Asia-Oceania qualifiers?* Just add the Aussies and the Kiwis.* While they're at it, Fiba better add 2 more Olympic/Worlds slots to give the poor Asian underdogs a ghost of a chance to enter the world stage.* :-\

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Yao Ming's Aussie showdown

By Tim Morrissey
October 19, 2008 12:00am

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24517485-5001023,00.html


IT'S the dream match-up that just might save basketball in this country.

Imagine Australia's Andrew Bogut against China's Yao Ming in the final of the Asia-Pacific championship qualifying series for the 2012 London Olympics.

The chances of that happening are growing, with basketball's international governing body FIBA strongly pushing for a merger between the Asia and Oceania zones.

In April, FIBA tabled a discussion paper on the benefits of merging the Asia and Oceania qualification zones at both senior and junior level.

FIBA's Australian-born president Bob Elphinston believes if basketball in Australia is to fulfil its potential, the Boomers and Opals have no option but to give up direct qualification for the Olympics and world championships through the Oceania zone, which is made up of 21 Pacific Island nations with a total population of 34 million.

"The reason for that discussion paper is that Australia and New Zealand clearly need more competition,'' Elphinston said.

"Secondly, Australia and New Zealand need greater opportunities for television exposure and income, and one is linked to the other.

"Asia, at the same time, would benefit very much from having the high-quality competition that Australia and New Zealand would offer.''

The Socceroos' successful move out of Oceania to FIFA's Asian qualifying zone has football booming in Australia and has provided the blueprint for basketball's future.

Australia might be the No2-ranked nation in the world for basketball - the powerhouse Opals have won silver and gold at the last Olympics and world championships respectively, and the Boomers are a top-10 team - but neither side gets any meaningful television coverage at home or corporate backing by belonging to Oceania.

That could change almost overnight if the Boomers and Opals get the opportunity to take on China, with its population of 1.3 billion.

Regular and meaningful international competition against China, the heavyweight of the 44-nation Asia zone - as well as Japan, Korea and the Kiwis - would give Australia access to new commercial opportunities.

Boomers coach Brian Goorjian supports the idea of joining Asia as a key part of the reform that basketball in Australia is undertaking, but he remains wary of the potential threat China presents.

"It all makes wonderful sense if we qualify for the worlds and the Olympics,'' Goorjian said.
Basketball Australia chief executive Scott Derwin says he doesn't yet have a position on joining Asia.

"We're not saying we are opposed to it, we just need a lot more information,'' he said.
However, Elphinston, who is waiting to hear back from Basketball Australia, is hopeful common sense will prevail.

"People need to look to the future,'' Elphinston said.

gameface_one
10-20-2008, 07:25 AM
Consultations for RP 5 begin



By WAYLON GALVEZ
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The formation of the all-PBA national team that coach Yeng Guiao will handle takes its first crucial step when he meets today former national team coaches.


Guiao, the Red Bull mentor, said he needs to get the opinion of Tim Cone (Alaska), Jong Uichico (Barangay Ginebra), Chot Reyes (Talk ’N Text) and Norman Black of UAAP champion Ateneo following the objection of former senator Robert Jaworski to have a "naturalized" Filipino player in the RP team.

In a recent TV interview, Jaworski, who steered the first all-pro team to a runner-up finish in the 1990 Asian Games in Beijing, said he is not in favor of naturalizing a foreign player in order for the country to be competitive enough.

Guiao had earlier said that for the country to figure well in the international tournament, the team must be reinforced by a "naturalized" Filipino player since he acknowledged that the RP team lacks a dependable big man.

The concept of naturalizing a foreign player has also the support of the PBA Board chaired by Alaska’s Joaqui Trillo.

"That’s the reason why we got this advisory group of former national team coaches, we hope to get and collect their wisdom in forming a competitive team," Guiao told the Bulletin yesterday.

"We respect the senator’s (Jaworski) opinion, but other coaches might have other opinions and I have my own, too. We’ll get the consensus of the group," he added.

Guiao and his soon-to-be-formed Nationals will compete in next year’s FIBA-Asia Championship, which serves as the qualifying tournament for the 2010 World Championship in Turkey.

The process of naturalizing a player has been implemented by FIBA several years ago although the rule now allows each country to get one naturalized player.

"Ito naman ginagawa na ng karamihan eh, so why not us? For us to be competitive, I guess isa ito (naturalized) sa mga makakatulong," Guiao added.

In the 80s, two Americans -- Jeff Moore and Dennis Still -- were allowed to play for the RP team after they were naturalized through a presidential decree by then President Ferdinand Marcos. This team won the 1985 Asian Basketball Conference in Malaysia.

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is also thinking of getting a naturalized player for the team that will be formed by Serbian mentor Rajko Toroman.

However, SBP executive director Noli Eala said that while the federation is leaning towards that idea of naturalizing a player, he said that it is something that should be studied first.

"We have to weigh this whole concept," Eala said. "We have to listen to him (Jaworski), actually not just him but all the basketball sectors concerned. The process of naturalizing a player isn't just about basketball, but being a Filipino."

Meantime, the controversial Serbian mentor Rajko Toroman will arrive today from Belgrade to start his work as Project Director of the SBP.

The 53-year-old Toroman is tasked to form the national team aimed at qualifying for the 2012 London Olympics.

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05-23-2009, 03:35 PM
FIBA seeks 4 more men's teams at London Olympics

By GRAHAM DUNBAR

GENEVA (AP) — Basketball's global governing body has asked the International Olympic Committee to include four more teams at the 2012 London Games.

FIBA said Friday that having 16 instead of 12 countries would deliver bigger audiences and a more efficient tournament.

"The game has exploded and it's time to recognize that," FIBA secretary-general Patrick Baumann told The Associated Press. "The ratings will just skyrocket and it's going to be good for the IOC, good for us."

The men's tournament has had 12 teams since the 1976 Montreal Games but has grown in stature since NBA players were first allowed to play, at Barcelona in 1992.

Baumann said it was now second only to athletics in popularity with Olympic viewers.

"We have delivered our part of the bargain to the IOC and the Olympic Games," he said. "I think we can deliver even more if we had four more teams."

Baumann said basketball has the depth to justify an increased lineup.

The United States won at Beijing last year with a team that included LeBron James and Kobe Bryant, while nations such as Brazil, France, Italy and Serbia — who also feature NBA players — watched at home.

"There is a mismatch between the real value of the game around the globe, its universality, and the fact (these countries) can't come to the games," Baumann said. "Our world championship is for 24 countries and we could easily play with 32."

A 16-team tournament would also deliver cost savings to the IOC and future organizing committees, Baumann said.

Playing to a natural bracket, rather than in six-team groups, would cut two days from the current schedule, allowing games to be completed in 13 days.

Though Baumann is a member of the IOC, he will play no part in the decision. The IOC program commission will deliver a report to the 15-member executive board, which is scheduled to decide at its meeting in Berlin in August.

Other sports are seeking a bigger place at the Olympics, starting at London. Boxing wants to introduce women's medal events and swimming has asked for eight more races.

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