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gameface_one
11-17-2007, 06:13 PM
BAP moving on its own
THE GAME OF MY LIFE By Bill Velasco
Saturday, November 17, 2007
Philstar.com


The Basketball Association of the Philippines is alive, well, and flying under the radar. As the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas continues to draft a development program for the sport and prepare teams for international competition, the BAP - which was supposed to have merged with the SBP - is still moving. And Graham Lim is alive, well, active and wielding his independent clout in the game.

BAP organized the just-concluded Harbour Centre – 1st National Basketball Challenge of Champions from November 3 to 13, 2007 at the San Andres Gym in Manila. The tournament received support from Manila Mayor Fred Lim through the Manila Sports Council (MASCO) and the Federation of School Sports Association of the Philippines (FESSAP). FESSAP chair, Rep. Prospero Pichay and FESSAP president Tisha Abundo attended the finals.

Twelve teams joined the competition. Las Piñas College of the Colleges and Universities Sports Association (CUSA) won the first championship, defeating Asian Colleges of Science and Technology (ACSAT). Emilio Aguinaldo College overcame San Sebastian College of Cavite to claim third place. Las Piñas College qualifies for the Asian University Basketball Federation (AUBF) tournament in China in June.

BAP sec-gen Lim also serves in the same capacity in the AUBF, with legendary Korean hotshot Shin Dong Pa as president. Honorary chairman is former FIBA president, Dr. Carl Men Ky Ching, The BAP will next stage the 62nd National Students Basketball Championship in Pangasinan in February.

Lim said the tournament is just the highlight of a very active year for the BAP, which continues to act on its own, organizing tournaments and bringing together different basketball organizations.

“We are still working, as we have always done,” Lim sniffed, before commenting on what he alleges is a concerted effort to discredit him. “People are saying things against me, but I continue to work for basketball, and we have had very successful events this year.”

To illustrate his point, Lim enumerated the BAP’s accomplishments for the year. He cited the Philippine- Korean Friendship Games in February; the 61st National Students Championship, the National City League Championship (organized with the League of Cities of the Philippines (LCP), and the FESSAP National Tournament called Philippine Universiade.

Lim says none of these projects would have become reality, without his connections with important political and business personalities who pitch in to help finance and lend logistical support to his projects.

“It’s good that we still have friends who are willing to help basketball, especially when we ask for their help in organizing events,” Lim added.

Since the Unity Congress last February, Lim practically dropped under the radar of local basketball. SBP has had a few high-profile projects, including a coaching clinic and seminar with Serbian coach Vlade Djurovic, the recruitment of Fil-Am Vicki Brick for the Philippine women’s team, and coordination of training center’s and workshops for basketball stakeholders all over the country.

But for years, Lim has been putting together basketball tournaments that second- and third-tier schools and organizations have been joining. Whether or not the events are widely recognized, the fact remains that he is still working parallel to the SBP, which is slowly gathering momentum as it prepares teams for the Southeast Asian Games in Thailand next month.

Surprisingly, it illustrates that there are still some stakeholders in basketball (albeit of a lower profile) who are allied to the BAP, and have not fully bought into the touted unification of the community. It also means the SBP still has some work to do in penetrating all the way down to the smaller leagues. This can eventually become a divisive scenario.

amdgc82
12-13-2007, 06:05 AM
Pichay new BAP head*
People's Tonight
December 13, 2007 Thursday

FIRST* *it’s surfing. Then, chess.
* *
Now, former Surigao del Sur Rep. Prospero “Butch” Pichay* is* also* the* *president* of* *the* *controversial* * Basketball Association* of* *the* *Philippines (BAP).
* *
Pichay was unanimously elected* as* president of the controversial* *basketball* *organization during* the* National* Congress* at* the* *IRTC Conference* *Hall* of* *the* Technological* University of* the Philippines* *in* San* Marcelino, Manila* yesterday.* *
* *
Pichay* takes* the* place of* *Go Teng* Kok, who* resigned as head* of* the* *basketball* association.
* *
“Just like* in* the NCFP,* *I’ll* be* a* hands-on working president, and* not just a paper president,” said* Pichay, who* was also* *recently elected as* chairman of the* Federation of* *Schools Sports Association of the Philippines (FESSAP).
* *
The BAP remains committed* to* uplifting Philippine* basketball* with a year-long program of activities set* for year 2008.
* *
Pichay* said* he* would* concentrate* *on* developing homegrown* talents* rather than rely on the* quick-fix* policy of acquiring talents* from* abroad.
* *
“Basketball is* our national pastime, said Pichay, “and* I would like* to* bring* back the* old Filipino brand* of* play and* strategy which* *helped us become* not* only an* *Asian* but also* international power* during the 150s and* 1960s.”
* *
Among those present during* yesterday’s meeting* were* Rep.* *Luis R. Villafuerte, the BAP chair;* Davao del Sur Governor Douglas Ra. Cagas, BAP vice-chairman; Tisha Abundo, BAP vice-chairman* and* *concurrently the* *president* of* the* *NCRAA and* FESSAP;* *Christian Tan, the BAP executive* vice-president; and Tanduay executive Wilson Young, the* BAP vice-president for* Luzon.
* *
With* Pichay* at* the* *helm,* *the BAP has put* together a busy* agenda for* *year 2008.
* *
Among the* events scheduled are* the* 62nd National* Students* Basketball Championships in* Cebu City from Feb. 24-Mar. 1, 2008;* and* *the National* City League Basketball Championships* (which* *will include* international cities* *such as Moscow, Belgrade, Seoul, Istanbul and Colorado* Spring USA as* participants) in* May.*

BigBlue
12-13-2007, 11:44 AM
Buhay pa ba ang BAP na yan? at sa lahat ng pwede nilang kunin, si Pichay pa??
what are these guys thinking?
???

abcdef
12-13-2007, 02:17 PM
I thought BAP-SBP works as one. So this means BAP is working though unrecognized by FIBA? OR SBP grants that BAP do such activities?

joelex
12-13-2007, 02:18 PM
ok na yan. kesa SBP laki ng gastos sa FIBA ni top 4 wala. nakakahiya. gregorio doesnt know his basketball as well as his finance.

JonarSabilano
12-13-2007, 02:41 PM
Graham Lim, is that you?

JonarSabilano
12-13-2007, 02:43 PM
“Basketball is* our national pastime, said Pichay, “and* I would like* to* bring* back the* old Filipino brand* of* play and* strategy which* *helped us become* not* only an* *Asian* but also* international power* during the 150s and* 1960s.”
* *



Patay tayo d'yan.

AnthonyServinio
12-13-2007, 04:14 PM
I thought BAP-SBP work as as one. So this means BAP is working though unrecognized by FIBA? OR SBP grants that BAP do such activities?

* * *THE discredited Chinese-controlled BAP will still be allowed to exist but this time, they are just considered as one of the many organizations under the BAP-SBP umbrella.* They are now just like any other basketball organization or league and may conduct their own activities.* Bottomline, BAP can have as many projects as they want but it will only be the BAP-SBP that will have the FIBA recognition and have the right to organize Philippine teams to FIBA-sanctioned events.

To recall the events that led to the creation of BAP-SBP, the issue of the organization's name was so touchy that they finally decided to append the name BAP to SBP upon the insistence of the old BAP's hardliners.

AnthonyServinio
12-13-2007, 04:19 PM
“Basketball is* our national pastime, said Pichay, “and* I would like* to* bring* back the* old Filipino brand* of* play and* strategy which* *helped us become* not* only an* *Asian* but also* international power* during the 150s and* 1960s.”
* *



Patay tayo d'yan.

* * *ACCORDING to some sports figures who attended the BAP Congress, what Rep. Prospero Pichay meant was that the BAP would try to discover more talents from the grassroots.* He mentioned the days when all-Pinoy crews would bring home championships as compared to today's team that is loaded with Fil-foreigners which could not even figure prominently in the medal race.

BigBlue
12-13-2007, 04:37 PM
“Basketball is our national pastime, said Pichay, “and I would like to bring back the old Filipino brand of play and strategy which helped us become not only an Asian but also international power during the 150s and 1960s.”




Patay tayo d'yan.

ACCORDING to some sports figures who attended the BAP Congress, what Rep. Prospero Pichay meant was that the BAP would try to discover more talents from the grassroots. He mentioned the days when all-Pinoy crews would bring home championships as compared to today's team that is loaded with Fil-foreigners which could not even figure prominently in the medal race.


this reasoning is illogical and quite ignorant, since it fails to consider that the basketball programs of other countries like China, Lebanon, Iran and Korea have progressed.

AnthonyServinio
12-13-2007, 04:43 PM
“Basketball is* our national pastime, said Pichay, “and* I would like* to* bring* back the* old Filipino brand* of* play and* strategy which* *helped us become* not* only an* *Asian* but also* international power* during the 150s and* 1960s.”
* *



Patay tayo d'yan.

* * *ACCORDING to some sports figures who attended the BAP Congress, what Rep. Prospero Pichay meant was that the BAP would try to discover more talents from the grassroots.* He mentioned the days when all-Pinoy crews would bring home championships as compared to today's team that is loaded with Fil-foreigners which could not even figure prominently in the medal race.


this reasoning is illogical and quite ignorant, since it fails to consider that the basketball programs of other countries like China, Lebanon, Iran and Korea have progressed.



WHAT do you expect, it's the BAP!

But in fairness to them, one thing they have over BAP-SBP is that they already have a "concrete" calendar of activities for 2008.

oca
12-13-2007, 06:53 PM
If the calendar shows nothing but tournaments, that has little significance. At yun lang naman talaga ang ibinibida ng BAP.

Imo, SBP, as the governing body of the most popular sports in the country, should NOT be invovled in organizing or hosting tournaments.

As it is, the basketball calendar is loaded with tournaments. Sabay-sabay pa nga at all levels. Tuloy-tuloy walang patid until just before Christmas and to resume soon after the New Year revelry.

Kahit nuong panahon na inutil ang governing body ng basketball, tuloy-tuloy ang mga liga at dumami pa nga.

What needs to be done is to coordinate and synchronize the schedules of these various leagues. Here, the SBP must assert its influence.

Pero kung meron mang caledario na dapat ipakita ang SBP, ito ay yung mga tournaments na lalahukan ng ating mga national teams.

Marapat malaman ng maaga nang mga iba’t-ibang malalaking liga, eg PBA, PBL, UAAP at NCAA, kung anong mga torneo ang lalahukan ng NT. Dahil napipilayan ang mga member teams ng mga nasabing liga pag may player silang committed sa NT.

Liban sa pag coordinate at synchronize ng mga sched ng iba’t-ibang liga at pag-asikaso ng NT, dapat —

-Ituloy at palawakin pa ng SBP yung player development. More kids deserved to be trained by the likes of Mon Fernandez and Eric Comptom.

-Bigyan ng malawak na training ang pinoy referees na aayon sa FIBA rules.

-Huwag lang basta accreditation ang ibigay sa mga coaches. Dapat may continuing education program para maiangat ang antas ng coaching. Importante ito. Hindi lahat ng bata ay mapapasailalim sa programa ng player development ng SBP. Hindi lahat ng bata ay mapapabilang sa pool ng national youth team. Kaya marapat yung mga batang hindi mapapabilang sa programa ay hawak ng coaches na may alam. Hindi na pwedeng pulos oido.

Tournaments… more tournaments?

Well, an office calendar will sure look impressive if there are many dates blocked. Mas maganda nga tignan kung gagamitan ng highligther. Magkakaiba ang kulay para mas impessive!

yungha
12-14-2007, 09:34 AM
they're scouring the countryside in the hopes of finding the next danny aying or danny capobres.

Mateen Cleaves
12-14-2007, 10:55 AM
OK lang 'yong mga tournament. But the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if they're not also organizing themselves for a coup when the next SBP elections come up. ::)

oca
12-14-2007, 02:16 PM
OK lang 'yong mga tournament. But the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if they're not also organizing themselves for a coup when the next SBP elections come up.* ::)


I doubt if this BAP will regain control of basketball's governing body.

Their list of accredited members has been purged, w/c they contested... obviously. So, either they participate in the election with not enough members on their side or kumuha sila ng TRO. Either way, they won't get elected.

Of course, if all those allegations against Gregorio are true, then it may just alienate members/ regional and provincial groups who were initially on the side of SBP. But I doubt if this will result in them voting for BAP candidates. Most likely they will nominate another candidate if they are not happy with Gregorio. A candidate that is acceptable to MVP.

Pero pag dumating yung pagkakataon na makita ko ang mga member schools ng UAAP at NCAA participating in BAP events, I may have a change of opinion. Pero sa ngayon, malabo ma-regain ng BAP yung control sa basketball.

typhoidterry
12-14-2007, 02:26 PM
The Journal Online and the Philippine Daily Inquiere

Pichay new BAP head
FIRST it’s surfing. Then, chess.

Now, former Surigao del Sur Rep. Prospero “Butch” Pichay is also the president of the controversial Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP).

Pichay was unanimously elected as president of the controversial basketball organization during the National Congress at the IRTC Conference Hall of the Technological University of the Philippines in San Marcelino, Manila yesterday.

Pichay takes the place of Go Teng Kok, who resigned as head of the basketball association.

“Just like in the NCFP, I’ll be a hands-on working president, and not just a paper president,” said Pichay, who was also recently elected as chairman of the Federation of Schools Sports Association of the Philippines (FESSAP).

The BAP remains committed to uplifting Philippine basketball with a year-long program of activities set for year 2008.

Pichay said he would concentrate on developing homegrown talents rather than rely on the quick-fix policy of acquiring talents from abroad.

“Basketball is our national pastime, said Pichay, “and I would like to bring back the old Filipino brand of play and strategy which helped us become not only an Asian but also international power during the 150s and 1960s.”

Among those present during yesterday’s meeting were Rep. Luis R. Villafuerte, the BAP chair; Davao del Sur Governor Douglas Ra. Cagas, BAP vice-chairman; Tisha Abundo, BAP vice-chairman and concurrently the president of the NCRAA and FESSAP; Christian Tan, the BAP executive vice-president; and Tanduay executive Wilson Young, the BAP vice-president for Luzon.

With Pichay at the helm, the BAP has put together a busy agenda for year 2008.

Among the events scheduled are the 62nd National Students Basketball Championships in Cebu City from Feb. 24-Mar. 1, 2008; and the National City League Basketball Championships (which will include international cities such as Moscow, Belgrade, Seoul, Istanbul and Colorado Spring USA as participants) in May.

AnthonyServinio
12-29-2007, 01:15 AM
RP cagers off to China loop
mb.com.ph





THE PHILIPPINES seeks an unprecedented third straight title as it begins its campaign in the sixth Zheng Cheng Gong Cup international basketball tournament for men scheduled today at the Nanan City, Fujian, China.


To be represented by MBL champion Polymaster Kings/5th Avenue and handled by former national team player Junnel Mendiola, the Filipinos will be seeking to retain the title for the third straight time in this quadrennial tournament being held in honor of the well-known Chinese general and hero.

The Philippines will be pitted against select commercial teams from Indonesia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau and the Fujian All Stars of host China.

The Filipinos have won back-to-back titles in the tournament in 1999 and 2003 through PBA team FedEx/Air21 Express under RP youth coach and Air 21 assistant coach Johny Tam.

This will also mark the first time that the BAP is sending a team to an international tournament since former Surigao del Sur Rep. Prospero "Butch" Pichay was elected as president of the basketball association early this month.

"It will be a good opportunity for us to show our wares in the sport, as well as renew our ties with our Asian neighbors," Pichay said, who is putting up an ambitious, year-long program to promote the sport not only in the country but in the whole Asian region.

Pichay thanked officials of the All-China Overseas Sports Council and the Nanan City Sports Council for inviting the Philippines to participate anew.

Pichay also expressed his gratitude to Millennium Basketball League (MBL) chairman Alex Wang, National Basketball League (NBL) president Christian Tan and Polymaster owner James Café for supporting the country’s campaign in the week-long competition.

Pichay tapped BAP board member Prof. Robert Milton Calo to represent him during the tournament and the Asian University Basketball Federation (AUBF) meeting to be held during the competition.

Calo will also formally make the country’s bid to host the sixth AUBF.

AUBF president and Korean basketball legend Shin Ding Pa, who will preside the meeting, is expected to support the BAP’s bid to host the tournament.

Former FIBA president Dr. Carl Men Ky Ching will be the guest speaker during the opening ceremony of both the Zheng Cheng Gong Cup and the AUBF meeting. Also gracing the event are officials of the China Basketball Association (CBA) and the China University Basketball Federation (CUBF).

Head of delegation is Tai Lian, while Tai Xin Min is the assistant head of delegation. Café will act as team leader.

Playing for the team are former PBA player Braulio Lim, Luis Palaganas, Ronnie Zagala, Richard Litonjua, Michael Alexander Dizon, Romel David, Rey Mendoza Jr. and Fil-Am Michael Andre Burtscher.



* * *THE Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (BAP-SBP) should have not allowed this group of clowns to leave the country in the first place!* From the looks of the roster, they are destined to bring shame to Philippine basketball just like a lot of those BAP-sponsored teams of recency.

* * *Based on this "praise release", the discredited Chinese-controlled Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) is still behaving like they are THE recognized national federation for the sport.* It's been almost a year since the so-called Unity Congress that gave birth to the SBP and yet these BAP stragglers are still hallucinating that they are still in power.

gambitx
12-29-2007, 07:54 AM
Kay Pichay,matutupad ang ating mga pangarap.. Itanim natin ang Pichay sa senado...este itanim ang pichay sa BAP..hehehehe ;D ;D

JonarSabilano
12-29-2007, 01:58 PM
RP cagers off to China loop
mb.com.ph





THE PHILIPPINES seeks an unprecedented third straight title as it begins its campaign in the sixth Zheng Cheng Gong Cup international basketball tournament for men scheduled today at the Nanan City, Fujian, China.


To be represented by MBL champion Polymaster Kings/5th Avenue and handled by former national team player Junnel Mendiola, the Filipinos will be seeking to retain the title for the third straight time in this quadrennial tournament being held in honor of the well-known Chinese general and hero.

The Philippines will be pitted against select commercial teams from Indonesia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau and the Fujian All Stars of host China.

The Filipinos have won back-to-back titles in the tournament in 1999 and 2003 through PBA team FedEx/Air21 Express under RP youth coach and Air 21 assistant coach Johny Tam.

This will also mark the first time that the BAP is sending a team to an international tournament since former Surigao del Sur Rep. Prospero "Butch" Pichay was elected as president of the basketball association early this month.

"It will be a good opportunity for us to show our wares in the sport, as well as renew our ties with our Asian neighbors," Pichay said, who is putting up an ambitious, year-long program to promote the sport not only in the country but in the whole Asian region.

Pichay thanked officials of the All-China Overseas Sports Council and the Nanan City Sports Council for inviting the Philippines to participate anew.

Pichay also expressed his gratitude to Millennium Basketball League (MBL) chairman Alex Wang, National Basketball League (NBL) president Christian Tan and Polymaster owner James Café for supporting the country’s campaign in the week-long competition.

Pichay tapped BAP board member Prof. Robert Milton Calo to represent him during the tournament and the Asian University Basketball Federation (AUBF) meeting to be held during the competition.

Calo will also formally make the country’s bid to host the sixth AUBF.

AUBF president and Korean basketball legend Shin Ding Pa, who will preside the meeting, is expected to support the BAP’s bid to host the tournament.

Former FIBA president Dr. Carl Men Ky Ching will be the guest speaker during the opening ceremony of both the Zheng Cheng Gong Cup and the AUBF meeting. Also gracing the event are officials of the China Basketball Association (CBA) and the China University Basketball Federation (CUBF).

Head of delegation is Tai Lian, while Tai Xin Min is the assistant head of delegation. Café will act as team leader.

Playing for the team are former PBA player Braulio Lim, Luis Palaganas, Ronnie Zagala, Richard Litonjua, Michael Alexander Dizon, Romel David, Rey Mendoza Jr. and Fil-Am Michael Andre Burtscher.



* * *THE Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (BAP-SBP) should have not allowed this group of clowns to leave the country in the first place!* From the looks of the roster, they are destined to bring shame to Philippine basketball just like a lot of those BAP-sponsored teams of recency.

* * *Based on this "praise release", the discredited Chinese-controlled Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) is still behaving like they are THE recognized national federation for the sport.* It's been almost a year since the so-called Unity Congress that gave birth to the SBP and yet these BAP stragglers are still hallucinating that they are still in power.


Not only that, but a quick look at the FIBA website entry for the Philippines still shows Tiny Literal as the president of the national federation. ::)

amdgc82
02-03-2008, 06:34 AM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20080203spo6.html

Lim: Unwanted by Fiba, ‘loved’ in Asia
By Aldrin Cardona
02/03/2008

Despite a Fiba (International Basketball Federation) declaration banning the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) from conducting affairs related to functions of the local national federation, BAP secretary general Graham Lim continues to get the good graces of its Asian affiliate, the Fiba-Asia.

Lim attended the Fiba-Asia Central Board Meeting at the Park Royal Hotel in Kuala Lumpur in his capacity as Southeast Asia Zone Representative, a title bestowed upon him in 2006 after the Fiba announced its recognition of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP), the BAP’s rival organization. Lim’s tenure is good until 2010.

Lim’s presence in the Fiba-Asia meeting came just a couple of weeks after top Fiba leadership warned him against organizing events on behalf of the BAP, with the Fiba declaring BAP events as not officially sanctioned by the international federation.

The Fiba also questioned Lim’s affiliation with the so-called Asian University Federation Championships, a tournament which it also declared as bogus.

Lim, through newly elected BAP president Prospero Pichay, had planned to organize a local version of the collegiate meet and dangled a foreign trip to the tournament winner.

The POC, through spokesman Mark Joseph, however, warned the BAP against misrepresenting the Philippines in an international competition.

According to Joseph, the BAP could no longer exercise the functions of a local federation since the POC and the Fiba recognize only the SBP as the national association for the sport.

“Graham and the BAP have no power to designate a national team,” Joseph said. “Only the SBP can, and even the Fiba is strong in its decision in its recognition of the SBP.”

Also according to Joseph, the Fiba had warned Lim and the BAP, through a letter addressed to former BAP president Go Teng Kok, against misrepresenting itself as the NSA for basketball and holding events outside the supervision of the SBP.

“Past BAP actions were incompatible with the Fiba and POC rules,” Joseph said.

The Supreme Court recently ruled Lim an illegal alien. Lim was found to have misrepresented himself as a Filipino. He was also found to have faked his documents to obtain a Philippine passport in the past.

amdgc82
02-03-2008, 06:54 AM
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/opinion/view/20080201-116181/Save-Us-From-BAP

My Score
Save Us From BAP
By Hidelito Pascual
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 12:11:00 02/01/2008


I honestly thought that the issue has been laid to rest when the Philippines was reinstated by the FIBA and the supposed recognition of the Samahang Basketball sa Pilipinas-Basketball Association of the Philippines as the official representative of Philippine Basketball.

Then came the recent brouhaha regarding the Zonal Eliminations for the National Students Basketball Championship which is being held through the auspices of the Basketball Association of the Philippines!

What?

So all this time this issue of representation continues to fester and the old BAP continues its non-recognition of the SBP-BAP in defiance of the mandate granted to the latter association by the FIBA.

I have heard of statements made that there is no legal prohibition for the BAP to continue conducting its own activities as a separate basketball organization.

Oh come on!

At the time when BAP was the governing sports association, were there tournaments in the magnitude of a zonal eliminations that was allowed without its official sanction?

Proof that another national association posturing to conduct tournaments in competition with the official governing body does not work is the recent confusion that local schools had to go through in deciding whether to participate in the Zonal Eliminations for the National Students Basketball Championships.

The Zonal Eliminations had to be scrapped when the CESAFI put down its foot and did not allow its member schools from participating in the BAP sponsored tournament.

The SBP-BAP may have actually contributed to the confusion because it seems that Lorenzo Chao Sy is an official of both SBP-BAP and BAP.

Is not there a conflict of interest somewhere considering that BAP continues to act in cross-purposes with SBP-BAP?

Considering that Chao Sy is a legitimate Regional Director of BAP while his being Provincial Director for SBP-BAP is I believe more of an accommodation, would not he give priority to BAP activities?

For the good of basketball, I recommend that this SBP-BAP against BAP issue should be closed with finality. Continuing with the fractious situation would only hinder the development of the sport from going on after the long lethargy that mired Philippine basketball in the pits.

One thing that could be done is for the basketball aficionados from humoring the BAP posturers so that they would lose any claim of legitimacy and credibility.

One justification that has been given is that the activities like the Zonal Elimination and the National Students Basketball Championship is supposed to cater to schools that are not members of the SBP-BAP.

Is it not that the more logical move is to bring these schools in to the fold of the recognized National Sports Association?

I am just wondering, how long ago did the BAP hold the last Zonal Eliminations and the National Intercollegiate Championships?

In fact the BAP had reneged on so many of its responsibilities, culminating in its organizational crisis which resulted in the suspension of the Philippines from FIBA.

Now that this issue of official representation has been resolved, and the major stakeholders of Philippine Basketball has cast their lot with SBP-BAP, the old BAP continues to hang on like a fester in the skin, probably hoping to cause great annoyance on the present well meaning leadership of SBP-BAP, and become the official ruling body once more by default.

Management experience has told us that compromise is not exactly the most desirable of results, because sometimes it does not exactly produce in a win-win situation.

The present SBP-BAP imbroglio is a good example of a compromise not working.

Win or no deal should have been what the SBP have insisted on so that the inglorious BAP would have been wiped out of the face of Philippine sports.

It is probably not too late yet.

For one, Cebu basketball should stop allowing BAP having inroads so that what would happen is that it would become an association of all officers and no followers.

Metro Manila and Cebu together accounts for over 90% of the core of Philippine basketball.

If BAP is relegated to the bush leagues, then it would just die like a weed in hot summer.

amdgc82
02-04-2008, 06:27 AM
http://www.mb.com.ph/SPRT20080204116186.html

BAP ignores FIBA warning

Inter-cities tourney to push through

The Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) will push through with the international tournament it is organizing despite receiving a rebuff from the International Basketball Federation (FIBA).

BAP secretary-general Graham Lim said the inter-cities tournament set April 20-26 in Manila does not require FIBA sanction since the invitations are being coursed directly to the local governments of the respective foreign cities, "not NSAs or basketball federations."

FIBA president Bob Elphinston had earlier written the BAP that only the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is authorized to invite foreign teams for an international tournament.

In his email, the FIBA head made clear that SBP "should be issuing invitations to National Federations/Clubs of other countries to participate in any international tournaments in the Philippines."

Lim said the BAP is not questioning the FIBA recognition of the SBP.

"I know FIBA no longer recognizes BAP. But out of respect, I wrote Elphinston to inform him of the forthcoming tournament which is promotional in nature," Lim said. "This is not a FIBA-run tournament. I know my responsibilities. We’re just trying to promote basketball. There’s no harm in doing it."

Lim dismissed reports he is out to wreck havoc on the fledgling local basketball federation headed by telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan.

"Di kami nanggugulo," he said. "Why are they so worried? Dapat nga maging grateful pa sila that we’re promoting basketball in the local government unit. Ibig bang sabihin pag di sanctioned ng FIBA, di ka na puwede mag-promote?"

Reached for comment, SBP executive-director Patrick Gregorio wondered why the BAP is not informing the SBP of its activities.

"SBP is really thankful if the gesture (BAP’s holding of the tournament) is sincere. Ito ay para sa lahat ng nais tumulong. But how come we were not even informed that he (Lim) is organizing the tournament?We continue to reach out to Mr. Lim," Gregorio said.

Gregorio, however, declined to comment when asked what SBP would do if the BAP continues to operate without its sanction.

The inter-cities tournament, dubbed the National City League Invitational Championship, will draw eight foreign teams to compete against two local squads.

Foreign teams to be invited include selections from Moscow, Belgrade, Seoul, Riyadh, Sydney, Colorado Spring, Fujian, and Istanbul.

amdgc82
02-14-2008, 06:29 AM
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/feb/14/yehey/sports/20080214spo4.html
Thursday, February 14, 2008

24 teams join women’s basketball tilt
By Eddie G. Alinea, Contributor

TWENTY-FOUR teams, led by UAAP defending champion Ateneo, will compete in the Basketball Association of the Philippines-organized women’s tournament on March 1 to May 4.

BAP President Prospero Pichay, along with Commissioner Nilo Fernandez, said the 24 teams will be vying for honors in three divisions —A, B and C—with eight teams playing in each division.

Besides the Lady Eagles, other teams entered in Division A are University of Santo Tomas, Far Eastern University, Philippine College of Criminology, La Salle, College of St. Benilde, Adamson and Demikk-Lyceum.

Division A or the open division is the elite or most competitive category where current national players and top collegiate campaigners will see action, Fernandez explained.

Playing in Division B are Philippine Women’s University, UP-Ateneo Alumni, Assumption, Trinity, La Salle Alumni, UST Alumni, Rizal Technological University and Adamson Alumni.

Those which confirmed their participation in Division C are World City Colleges, CSB Alumni, UPLB-Duchess, ROGUE, Centro Escolar University, Urban-ACTV, UANP and FEU Alumni.

Teams in each division play a single round elimination with the top four teams advancing to the semifinal round. The top two teams after the round of four collide in a knockout game for the division championships.

nastrans
02-14-2008, 09:02 PM
Bakit dumating sa panahon ngayon na bigla silang magoorganize ng women's tournament na malaki ang magnitude, keso ba na may plano ang SBP na magtayo ng commercial league.

While its good to see this development, parang ang dating lang e icocounter lang ng BAP mga plano ng SBP. And with the way how BAP-run tournaments are, it would be interesting how they will handle this one.

danny
02-15-2008, 02:07 AM
http://www.mb.com.ph/SPRT20080204116186.html

...

Lim dismissed reports he is out to wreck havoc on the fledgling local basketball federation headed by telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan.

"Di kami nanggugulo," he said. "Why are they so worried? Dapat nga maging grateful pa sila that we’re promoting basketball in the local government unit. Ibig bang sabihin pag di sanctioned ng FIBA, di ka na puwede mag-promote?"

...




Hindi nanggugulo. Nangaasar lang naman. Anak ng pechay.

amdgc82
02-15-2008, 03:45 AM
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20080214155

Pichay issues warning
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
Friday, February 15, 2008

Former Rep. and Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) president Prospero (Butch) Pichay warned the other day his critics to back off from playing dirty because if he has to, he can be nasty.

“Politics in sports is peanuts to me because I know what real politics is like,” he said. “I served nine years in Congress so I should know. I hope my critics realize that if they play dirty, they can’t beat me in that game. I can be very nasty.”

Without hesitation, Pichay declared he is running for president of the BAP-SBP this year.

“I never thought I’d be involved in basketball but because I love the game, here I am,” he continued. “I don’t believe in a quick-fix solution. I don’t believe in importing players from the US. If you notice, even with so-called Fil-Ams, we can’t win in international competitions. What I want to do is to develop homegrown talents. We have to go back to the basics and play the game like we used to before.”

Pichay took a dig at Fil-foreigners whom he claimed to be playing more for money than for the country when they suit up for the national team.

“I don’t think they play with the heart and soul of a Filipino,” he continued. “They feel American, not Filipino. They’re third-class copycats of NBA players because if they’re first-class, they’ll be playing in the NBA.”

Pichay said the Philippines shouldn’t try to duplicate the US formula in trying to win international honors.

“We should bring back the Filipino style of playing,” he went on. “Filipinos should play more like Europeans, not Americans who just rely on their seven-footers. Our basic assets should be outside shooting and speed. Filipinos and Europeans play alike. Look at the US, they don’t win in the Olympics and World Championships anymore. Remember when we used to be competitive in Asia. That was when we had very good outside shooters like Jun Papa, Narciso Bernardo, Jimmy Mariano, Boy Marquez, Egay Gomez, Elias Tolentino and Boy Arazas.”

Pichay insisted that the level of basketball in the country has deteriorated.

“I don’t watch basketball anymore,” he said. “I want to be entertained by the game. I want to see players like (Rosalio) Martirez who wasn’t really a good shooter but was very entertaining. I want to see homegrown players win laurels for our country again.”

Pichay said his dream is to revive the MICAA spirit.

“I’m organizing a new MICAA and so far, I’ve got four teams committed to join,” he said. “I’m looking for four more teams before launching the league. It will be strictly All-Filipino. I want to bring back popular players whose advocacy is like mine, to do it the All-Filipino way. I want the true Pinoy to emerge.”

Pichay said retired pros like Benjie Paras, Noli Locsin and Alvin Patrimonio will be invited to play in the league.

“Orly Bauzon and Big Boy Reynoso played into their 40s so why can’t Paras, Locsin, Patrimonio and others like them continue playing?” said Pichay. “They stopped playing because of the Fil-Ams but in our league, we’ll go strictly All-Filipino. We won’t import foreign players and we won’t use foreign coaches.”

Pichay said he’s convincing Basketball Coaches of the Philippines president Chito Narvasa to be the new league’s commissioner.

Although FIBA now recognizes the BAP-SBP as the national association for basketball, Pichay said the BAP is alive and kicking with Graham Lim its secretary-general despite a recent Supreme Court decision ruling his deportation as final and executory.

“Graham isn’t the BAP and besides, the ruling (on his deportation) is on appeal,” said Pichay. “The BAP will have more tournaments than the BAP-SBP. Next week, we’re holding a collegiate tournament for 24 teams representing 13 regions in Cebu. Then we’ve got a women’s tournament with 36 teams. We’re organizing more tournaments than any basketball group in the country.”

Pichay’s position appears to run counter with what the BAP-SBP stands for. To turn back the hands of time and reverse the globalization effort may not be in line with what FIBA was assured of how the game in the Philippines is to develop. While a quick-fix solution won’t do, neither will a total ban on Fil-foreigners who under the law on dual citizenship, enjoy the same rights as “homegrown” locals. To generalize that all Fil-foreigners are mercenaries is harsh and unjust.

The fact is basketball in the country is still entertaining millions of fans. There were about 17,000 fans who jammed the Araneta Coliseum to watch the clinchers of the PBA semifinal series last Sunday – proof that the game continues to command a big following.* And the level of play is far from deteriorating, judging from the quality of the competition in the UAAP, PBA, PBL and PBA.

Pichay has every right to run for the BAP-SBP presidency and his platform will be put on the table for voters to scrutinize. To criticize him unfairly would be unjust and unkind. But basketball could use a leave of absence from politics and politicians. The game needs leaders who are sincere, transparent and well-meaning.

JonarSabilano
02-15-2008, 08:48 AM
Anak ng... >:(

GHRanger
02-15-2008, 09:50 AM
Question galing sa isang manonood ng Basketball...

If you guys are dead set to put us back on the basketball map and promote the sport -- why don't you work the SBP? It will only require a small matter of coordination. These guys remind me of Hanamichi in Slam Dunk anime without the inherrent basketball "genius".

erichubert
02-15-2008, 10:57 AM
Iba talaga si Pichay, Pro-Pinoy, Itanim sa Basketball court ;D

Seriously, I hope that FIBA interferes already before this escalates. Bringing back MICAA? Adding another league is not the solution to the problem, he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about! And what benefit do we get for encouraging our players to play until way into their 40s? We need an organization that is forward looking, iba na ang basketball ngayon from the time of Martirez, Reynoso and Bauzon, sa kangkungan tayo pupulutin pag si Pechay ang natanim na head ng SBP-BAP.

nel
02-15-2008, 12:18 PM
Talk about being stuck in the past. A loooong time ago, the MICAA used to be the premier basketball league when the BAP was the only organization in town. However, the team owners became disgusted with the BAP 'leadership' under then president-for-life Lito Puyat, and formed the PBA, which operated independently of the BAP. The BAP was left with the PABL (now the PBL) as its 'major' tournament. And who will be behind the new 'MICAA'? The major companies in the Philippines with an interest in having teams and who are willing to put up a budget on a continuing basis are already in the PBL or PBA.

Will we see teams pop up and just as quickly disappear? Look at the John-O team which competed a few seasons back in the PBL which featured the nucleus of the NU team. After one season, it dropped out of sight, and the players and coaches had to look for another team to sign up with.

Under the so-called leadership of the BAP, the Philippines went from being the Asian champions to being just winning the ASEAN tournaments. While our basketball programs remained static, other countries moved ahead. And they call that a successful track record?

Revive the MICAA spirit? That's long dead and buried. Doesn't Pichay know that trying to raise the dead is a smelly business? What we need are true leaders who care for the sport and who have the ability and willingness to create a vision for the future. The people behind the BAP seem to be looking only at the rear view mirror, trying to relive their glory days as the kingpins of the Philippine basketball world. That's all in the past. There's no way to replay it.

The BAP too is dead as a major organization, but interestingly enough the politicos who gravitated to it seem to think that they can bring back its glory days. Or failing that, run for the presidency of the BAP-SBP then run it as the BAP (maybe even drop the SBP from the name). Hope they wake up to reality.

If the people and organizations who are active in the basketball scene allow the BAP to gain control of the BAP-SBP, then we will deserve what we get. In politics, the trad pols still hold sway. Will this be the case in basketball as well?

JonarSabilano
02-15-2008, 12:39 PM
Napaka-incoherent ng statements ni Pichay. For example:

Pichay said the Philippines shouldn’t try to duplicate the US formula in trying to win international honors.

"We should bring back the Filipino style of playing." (What exactly IS the Filipino style, anyway?)

"Filipinos and Europeans play alike... Our basic assets should be outside shooting and speed. " (Do we play like Europeans? Really? Last time I checked, European basketball was all about running patient set plays.)

"I want to see players like (Rosalio) Martirez who wasn’t really a good shooter but was very entertaining." (Wait a minute. I though our basic assets should be OUTSIDE SHOOTING and speed? And what's his idea of "entertaining", anyway?)

"Orly Bauzon and Big Boy Reynoso played into their 40s so why can’t Paras, Locsin, Patrimonio and others like them continue playing? They stopped playing because of the Fil-Ams but in our league, we’ll go strictly All-Filipino." (Let's see. Benjie's full name was Venancio JOHNSON Paras. He is Fil-Aussie, strictly speaking. And he won the MVP plum the year Taulava and his ilk made their debut in the league. And by the way, there's another reason Paras, Locsin, and Patrimonio et al stopped playing. It's called "age".)

“Politics in sports is peanuts to me because I know what real politics is like,” he said. “I served nine years in Congress so I should know. I hope my critics realize that if they play dirty, they can’t beat me in that game. I can be very nasty.” ('Nuff said.)

nel
02-15-2008, 01:33 PM
Napaka-incoherent ng statements ni Pichay. For example:

Pichay said the Philippines shouldn’t try to duplicate the US formula in trying to win international honors.

"We should bring back the Filipino style of playing." (What exactly IS the Filipino style, anyway?)

"Filipinos and Europeans play alike... Our basic assets should be outside shooting and speed. " (Do we play like Europeans? Really? Last time I checked, European basketball was all about running patient set plays.)

"I want to see players like (Rosalio) Martirez who wasn’t really a good shooter but was very entertaining." (Wait a minute. I though our basic assets should be OUTSIDE SHOOTING and speed? And what's his idea of "entertaining", anyway?)

"Orly Bauzon and Big Boy Reynoso played into their 40s so why can’t Paras, Locsin, Patrimonio and others like them continue playing? They stopped playing because of the Fil-Ams but in our league, we’ll go strictly All-Filipino." (Let's see. Benjie's full name was Venancio JOHNSON Paras. He is Fil-Aussie, strictly speaking. And he won the MVP plum the year Taulava and his ilk made their debut in the league. And by the way, there's another reason Paras, Locsin, and Patrimonio et al stopped playing. It's called "age".)

“Politics in sports is peanuts to me because I know what real politics is like,” he said. “I served nine years in Congress so I should know. I hope my critics realize that if they play dirty, they can’t beat me in that game. I can be very nasty.” ('Nuff said.)


Funny you should talk about aging athletes. At least when athletes get too old and cannot compete effectively, they usually know when to retire. Those who plod on tend to get "punch drunk", probably as a result of too many losses or too many blows to the head (or is it ego?). There's nothing more pathetic than an athlete (or politico) who has to be forcibly retired (or forced out of office).

The BAP seems to attract those who cling to power. Witness the reign of Lito Puyat, who outlasted martial law and who stubbornly held on until he was bumped upward to his final position of BAP chairman. Those who replaced him were likewise infected by the "stay in power at all costs" bug, just like alien Graham Lim. Instead of being sensitive to the times, they develop a callus (also known as a thick hide) that makes them impervious to reality. You'd think that Pichay would have learned something from his experience as a politico, and learn when to admit defeat gracefully. Maybe it's something in the stale air (totally void of anything fresh or new) that the BAP members breathe.

GHRanger
02-15-2008, 01:40 PM
"Orly Bauzon and Big Boy Reynoso played into their 40s so why can’t Paras, Locsin, Patrimonio and others like them continue playing? They stopped playing because of the Fil-Ams but in our league, we’ll go strictly All-Filipino." (Let's see. Benjie's full name was Venancio JOHNSON Paras. He is Fil-Aussie, strictly speaking. And he won the MVP plum the year Taulava and his ilk made their debut in the league. And by the way, there's another reason Paras, Locsin, and Patrimonio et al stopped playing. It's called "age".)


To add to this, the big J - Robert Jaworski. And they didn't retire because of the Fil-Ams, there were just too many players trained in the college leagues. With only 8-10 teams, if it wasn't the Fil-???s, it would be locals taking their place.

And we didn't play like Europeans - we hoped to play like Europeans because it suits our physique and skills. The sport was introduced to us by Americans and we play like Americans.

His logic is a bit screwed.

nel
02-15-2008, 01:52 PM
Yeah, unfortunately the American style is heavily ingrained in our style of basketball. This was very apparent in the last PBA-manned national team, which, despite the coaches' pronouncements, heavily relied on the individualistic tendencies of the players. Far too much time was spent dribbling the ball, and too much leeway was given to players like Caguioa to create for themselves by going one-on-one against our opponents. There's entirely too much flash and showbiz in the way our players perform. Contrast the Philippine team to the Koreans, who probably are closer to the European style, with their quick passes and intricate set plays designed to free up shooters - almost everyone on the Korean team could hit treys consistently.

Screwed logic is par for politicians and the BAP. As long as it's the old, tired blood that runs the BAP, expect nothing more.

oca
02-15-2008, 01:58 PM
Yeah, unfortunately the American style is heavily ingrained in our style of basketball. This was very apparent in the last PBA-manned national team, which, despite the coaches' pronouncements, heavily relied on the individualistic tendencies of the players. Far too much time was spent dribbling the ball, and too much leeway was given to players like Caguioa to create for themselves by going one-on-one against our opponents. There's entirely too much flash and showbiz in the way our players perform. Contrast the Philippine team to the Koreans, who probably are closer to the European style, with their quick passes and intricate set plays designed to free up shooters - almost everyone on the Korean team could hit treys consistently.

Screwed logic is par for politicians and the BAP. As long as it's the old, tired blood that runs the BAP, expect nothing more.


...actually, expect more from them. ::)

After the Beijing Olympics, we will hear more from them. Just wait....

JonarSabilano
02-15-2008, 02:24 PM
"Orly Bauzon and Big Boy Reynoso played into their 40s so why can’t Paras, Locsin, Patrimonio and others like them continue playing? They stopped playing because of the Fil-Ams but in our league, we’ll go strictly All-Filipino." (Let's see. Benjie's full name was Venancio JOHNSON Paras. He is Fil-Aussie, strictly speaking. And he won the MVP plum the year Taulava and his ilk made their debut in the league. And by the way, there's another reason Paras, Locsin, and Patrimonio et al stopped playing. It's called "age".)


To add to this, the big J - Robert Jaworski.* And they didn't retire because of the Fil-Ams, there were just too many players trained in the college leagues.* With only 8-10 teams, if it wasn't the Fil-???s, it would be locals taking their place.*

And we didn't play like Europeans - we hoped to play like Europeans because it suits our physique and skills.* The sport was introduced to us by Americans and we play like Americans.

His logic is a bit screwed.*



By the way, Pichay also said that the U.S. team relies ONLY on their seven-footers. The last time I checked, the best player at the last FIBA-Americas championship was 6'7" Kobe Bryant, a wingman; and their tallest player was 6'11" Dwight Howard. Talk about being an armchair genius.

College players' heights are increasing by the year. In Pichay's greater scheme of things, this would mean that a fellow like 6'9" Japeth Aguilar will be forced to play center instead of his natural position of power forward, and that everyone else standing 6'3" and taller will be forced to play center too. Pichay has his eyes blinded to the fact that our tall players are finally staring to play from the outside and are moving better and jumping higher as well.

This is NOT a symptom of deteriorating quality. What's deteriorating is Pichay's and Graham Lim's mental condition. They should both be confined at Mandaluyong, preferably in a separate ward lest the other patients there start protesting.

GHRanger
02-15-2008, 02:40 PM
Right now the ball is with the SBP-- they've been quite after the Merging debacle. Only they can correct this. And correct this as soon as humanly possible.

Oh Yeah... Wasn't the legendary basketball player just 6'6"? ::) I think most of the effective 7 footers in the NBA are Asian. :)

OT: Maybe we should watch more european games, kids today watch the NBA, though I am not against watching it, a good mix of games with team basketball involved should be good for us.

JonarSabilano
02-15-2008, 02:56 PM
Right now the ball is with the SBP-- they've been quite after the Merging debacle.* Only they can correct this.* And correct this as soon as humanly possible.* *

Oh Yeah... Wasn't the legendary basketball player just 6'6"?* ::)* I think most of the effective 7 footers in the NBA are Asian. :)

OT: Maybe we should watch more european games, kids today watch the NBA, though I am not against watching it, a good mix of games with team basketball involved should be good for us.



Come to think of it, Europeans also relied on their tall players in the Euro-basket finals last year. The reigning NBA MVP is a seven-foot German, the Spanish NT's leading scorer is a seven-foot power forward, and the Russian NT's best player is a 6'9" small forward. So it's not as if they were playing small ball all along.

The trick, I guess, would not to go back to that small-ball style that Pichay loves so much. Maybe we should teach our tall players to shoot outside and drive to the basket instead. We might not have any serviceable seven-footers right now, but with kids like Junmar Fajardo, Jerico de Guzman, Greg Slaughter, and Gian Chiu, we will definitely have a few in years to come.

Then again, I'm quite sure Pichay is not aware of the existence of the players I mentioned above.

nel
02-15-2008, 03:24 PM
Nah, he wouldn't know about them because they didn't play in the MICAA.

GHRanger
02-15-2008, 04:42 PM
^ Yup and they want players to play upto their 40+'s and probably beat the Big J's record.
Kawawa naman yung mga bagito... di makakalaro dahil palalaruin pa hanggang 40-50 yung mga players... hmmm... sounds very familiar. :D

erichubert
02-15-2008, 05:50 PM
The root of all this is really Graham Lim. He is like a leech that clings to anybody and refuses to let go. Before he dragged Go Teng Kok into the BAP hoping that he would use his connections to prevent the merger, then came Joey Lina, then Jinggoy Estrada. After Jinggoy and MVP agreed to the merger, he decides to revive the BAP by bringing in another traditional politician in Pichay who is worse than all the previous people involved. At least we know that Jinggoy really likes basketball, how about this Pichay? what makes him a "basketball-lover"? Watching MICAA games? Come on, deport Lim already! It is long overdue. Let him appeal but deport him now!

amdgc82
02-28-2008, 06:46 AM
Gregorio to summon BAP people behind student caging (http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20080228spo6.html)
By Julius Manicad
02/28/2008
www.tribune.net.ph

If you think that all is well in the Basketball Association of the Philippines-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (BAP-SBP), think again.

Patrick Gregorio, excutive director of the supposedly harmonious BAP-SBP merger, admitted that the BAP trampled the whole organization — specifically the SBP – in holding a tournament without proper mandate.

The BAP has launched the 62nd National Students cagefest in Cebu City, a move Gregorio believed has deeply fractured the landscape of the local basketball.

And to resolve the looming crisis, Gregorio said he will call the attention of erring BAP officials and seek for an explanation over their decision to hold the student cagefest. He said he will summon the BAP people in their next board meeting with SBP president Manny Pangilinan next month, which by then the tournament in question would have been long over.

Obviously dismayed over the BAP’s latest caper, Gregorio also admitted that the NSBC has caught him by surprise because even if he is not in close contact with BAP secretary general Graham Lim, he is constantly talking with SBP director Christian Tan, a former BAP executive. Tan, however, had never mentioned anything regarding the NSBC, which is being held at the BAP’s bailiwick in Cebu City.

Gregorio, actually, reportedly made a last ditch effort of impeding NSBC by issuing a memorandum asking the schools to “boycott” the games. He denied such call for “boycott,” although he admitted the veracity of the memorandum. He said that memorandum was meant “to make our presence felt.”

Despite the valiant effort put up by Gregorio and SBP director for the Visayas Raul “Yayoy” Alcoseba who urged all Cebu-based squads to boycott the tournament a day before its opening tip, the BAP still pushed its pet project, claiming that at least 20 schools have joined the seniors’ division.

“We’re still wondering why can’t they work together with the federation (SBP),” Gregorio said, justifying that the SBP is the legitimate national sport association recognized by the Philippine Olympic Committee and the world-governing International Basketball Federation (Fiba). “But we will tackle that in our next board meeting for sure. It’s the only way to shed light on the matter.”

The road to unification between the BAP and the already disbanded Pilipinas Basketbol has been long and winding, even reaching the Fiba headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland and Saitama, Japan. Though Pangilinan gained the upper hand after generating support from all stakeholders, the coalition led by Lim still refused to submit itself.

Gregorio, however, said if the BAP wants to gain total control, it should come up with a sound program that will gain the majority support in the SBP election in April. Reports have it that losing senatorial candidate and BAP president Prospero Pichay is ready to challenge Pangilinan for presidency.

“Let’s just wait and see who will win the election (in April),” Gregorio said. “But we will still continue to reach out to them. We won’t lose our focus. We will still continue all the projects we have started with or without their support.”

thadzonline
03-01-2008, 11:51 PM
Cebu as BAP's bailiwick? Sorry, but maybe whoever wrote that can clarify..also, SBP should also not limit its plans only to the long established leagues, it is schools and areas that did not have enough SBP presence that BAP is milking...another point is that, BAP-SBP should also keep their affiliated leagues in check..look at the CeSAFI, they want to dictate their member schools long after the season has ended. Case in point, UV, USC and SWU, 3 of CeSAFI's top 4 teams committed to join(actually the other CeSAFI top 4 team USJ-R initially committed but later withdrew) another BAP-SBP sanctioned league: the VAAA, and they were threatened to be sanctioned by non-participation in the 8th CeSAFI season..What is the CeSAFi without 3 of its top 4 teams anyway, USJ-R will win the crown hands down as no other team outside the top four is capable of putting up a decent challenge..When UV, USC and SWU stood pat, CeSAFI organized the Partners' Cup which IMHO, was more like a commercial league than a collegiate contest and gave many Cebuano basketball patrons the impression that it was all for the money.

At the time of the staging of the NSBC, there was no other BAp-SBP sanctioned events and I don't have a problem with the Cebu schools participating. In fact, even BAP-SBP top man Manny Pangilinan didn't have a problem with Cebu schools joining it(according to reports)..

While I also believed, the staging of the NSBC should have been channeled and communicated through BAP-SBP, the media is doing a poor job sensationalizing the issue without balancing their sources..

Lastly both BAP and SBP need some cleaning up, we all know Graham Lim is an impostor so send him out, but seems like some people on the other side also need a broader perspective

amdgc82
07-16-2008, 06:57 AM
Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Pichay wants grassroots program for Liga
www.sunstar.com.ph

FOLLOWING the Asian Universities Basketball Championships (AUBC), Basketball Association of the Philippines’ (BAP-SBP) head, Prospero Pichay, has more tricks up his sleeves that he believes might help the current state of Philippine basketball.

Pichay met with basketball mentor Joe Lipa and AUBC commissioner Felix Tiukinhoy, to talk about Lipa’s proposals for a massive basketball grassroots program.

“He (Pichay) was impressed at the program that was created by Joe (Lipa) because it holds definite potential of being effective,” said Tiukinhoy, who clarified that he was at the meeting as a mere third party and not as an affiliate to any organization.

Willing

Lipa now needs to come up with the specifications and budget that he will present to Pichay in another meeting. “Pichay was very willing to bankroll for the program,” Tiukinhoy said.

During the AUBC finals, Pichay was also upbeat about this new endeavor. “We are looking into this project and we can’t wait to get started,” he said.

In a raw draft, the program starts with the training of all coaches and referees, who coach and officiate in barangay-based tournaments.

Afterwhich, each barangay will choose a set of players that will be trained. A competition in the barangay, municipal and provincial levels will then take place.

List

Lipa holds a long list of credential in basketball. He is currently the commissioner of the National Collegiate Athletic Association after his stint as commissioner of the Universities Athletic Association of the Philippines.

He had also worked behind the University of the Philippines Maroons as head coach and he used to be the coach of the national basketball team.

Meanwhile, following the example set by the Pichay wing, the BAP-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas faction of Manny Pangilinan will push through with their Board of trustees meeting here in Cebu, which is a far cry from their usual meetings in Manila. (MCB)

clutchjedi
07-16-2008, 09:52 AM
Lipa now needs to come up with the specifications and budget that he will present to Pichay in another meeting. “Pichay was

Dapat ang unang-unang specification ay:
Everything we do in this endeavor is under the auspices and authority of the SBP-BAP and its leadership.

D_I_A
07-16-2008, 11:36 PM
Lipa now needs to come up with the specifications and budget that he will present to Pichay in another meeting. “Pichay was

Dapat ang unang-unang specification ay:
Everything we do in this endeavor is under the auspices and authority of the SBP-BAP and its leadership.




naks yan ang tinatawag na sulutan blues!!! dun sa mga mukhang pera coaches, liga, associations etc. lapit na kayo kay pichay..ubusin nyo pera nya, tapos support SBP's program not the BAP!!!wahaha.

amdgc82
08-09-2008, 03:28 PM
Saturday, August 09, 2008
Basketball referees' accreditation set
www.sunstar.com.ph

THE Basketball Referees Commission and the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) will hold the 2008 Basketball Referees' National Accreditation and Licensing Course on September 11-13 at the University of St. La Salle, Bacolod City.

The course is in cooperation with the University of St. La Salle Varsity Sports Office VSO-Share outreach program.

The event aims to upgrade the competency of basketball referees in Western Visayas, said BAP regional director Roger Banzuela.

"The purpose of this course is to upgrade the competency of our basketball referees in our region with the latest Fiba Rules and its correct interpretation and application and to prepare them for future basketball competitions," Banzuela said.

A registration fee of P1,500 (inclusive of three lunch meals, 3 snacks, referee's license, lecturers' fee and other expenses) will be charged each participant.

Among the invited resource speakers are international referees (IRs) George Magsino and Boy Reglo, among others.

Interested participants may call 432-11-85. (HCV)

juliusports
08-09-2008, 06:14 PM
hey... BAP nga ba ang maghahandle ng accreditation ng mga referrees? Di na ba nahiya yung bap sa fiba? refreshing new rules from fiba where in fact ala na silang rights interms of fiba recognition.... BARECOM referees may mali ata sa systema nyo...... o nagbubulag bulagan nalang tayo.... To be frank to you guys... i think you're there for the money........... thats it.... >:(

juliusports
08-09-2008, 06:26 PM
Saturday, August 09, 2008
Basketball referees' accreditation set
www.sunstar.com.ph

THE Basketball Referees Commission and the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) will hold the 2008 Basketball Referees' National Accreditation and Licensing Course on September 11-13 at the University of St. La Salle, Bacolod City.

The course is in cooperation with the University of St. La Salle Varsity Sports Office VSO-Share outreach program.

The event aims to upgrade the competency of basketball referees in Western Visayas, said BAP regional director Roger Banzuela.

"The purpose of this course is to upgrade the competency of our basketball referees in our region with the latest Fiba Rules and its correct interpretation and application and to prepare them for future basketball competitions," Banzuela said.

A registration fee of P1,500 (inclusive of three lunch meals, 3 snacks, referee's license, lecturers' fee and other expenses) will be charged each participant.

Among the invited resource speakers are international referees (IRs) George Magsino and Boy Reglo, among others.

Interested participants may call 432-11-85. (HCV)


Para sa mga taga BACOLOD.......... wag na kayong magpaloko sa mga taong pera lang ang layunin..... Yung mga IR's na pupunta dyan nanggaling yan dito sa amin sa sibugay last july.......... Kaming mga basketball league organizers dito, awang awa kami sa mga referees na sumali nong seminar nila. Maliban sa malaki ang gastos sa seminar hindi pa sila nakaka officiate dito sa amin considering that the whole province is dominantly hawak ng mga believers ng SBP who has the fiba recognition... kaya sa mga attendies pag isipan ninyong mabuti.... hindi fiba recognaized ang BAP so hindi sila basta basta nalang pwedeng humandle ng referees accreditation...

D_I_A
08-09-2008, 11:59 PM
Saturday, August 09, 2008
Basketball referees' accreditation set
www.sunstar.com.ph

THE Basketball Referees Commission and the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) will hold the 2008 Basketball Referees' National Accreditation and Licensing Course on September 11-13 at the University of St. La Salle, Bacolod City.

The course is in cooperation with the University of St. La Salle Varsity Sports Office VSO-Share outreach program.

The event aims to upgrade the competency of basketball referees in Western Visayas, said BAP regional director Roger Banzuela.

"The purpose of this course is to upgrade the competency of our basketball referees in our region with the latest Fiba Rules and its correct interpretation and application and to prepare them for future basketball competitions," Banzuela said.

A registration fee of P1,500 (inclusive of three lunch meals, 3 snacks, referee's license, lecturers' fee and other expenses) will be charged each participant.

Among the invited resource speakers are international referees (IRs) George Magsino and Boy Reglo, among others.

Interested participants may call 432-11-85. (HCV)



kapal muks talaga ang BAP huh?!!

DOWN WITH THE BAP!!!

DEPORT GRAHAM LIM NOW!!!

END BAP DECEPTION NOW!!!

thadzonline
09-02-2008, 01:58 PM
eto, executive brief daw ng BAP on the BAP SBP elections. i-critic natin:

EXECUTIVE BRIEF ON BAP-SBP ELECTIONS

OF JUNE 4, 2008







In recognition of and based on the provisions and stipulations of the Tokyo Communique, Bangkok Agreement and the BAP-SBP By-Laws, the FIBA, speaking through Mr. Patrick Baumann, Secretary General of the FIBA Central Board, stated, among other things, in its letter dated 13 May 2008 that “to avoid entering into internal political debates typical for an electoral year, but to continuously support the federation in its efforts to comply with the approved BY-Laws of BAP-SBP. As a consequence, we agree that it is up to the statutorily constituted Nomination and Membership Committee of BAP-SBP to validate the members after the transition period caused by the merger, based on the Validation Rules properly approved in the meantime.” For ready reference, the letter dated 13 May 2008 is attached as Annex “A”.



The “JOINT TOKYO COMMUNIQUE” executed by the duly authorized representatives of BAP and PB on 28 August 2006 created the three-man panel, directing the latter, among other things, to “write and finalize the organization’s constitution” and “review, verify, and validate the list of members as submitted by PB and BAP to the FIBA Central Board Special Commission created to hear the Philippine case based on agreed set of criteria for membership formulated by the three-man panel”. A copy of the Joint Tokyo Communique is attached for ready reference as Annex “B”.



Pursuant to the Tokyo Communique and in compliance thereto, the BAP-SBP was incorporated in accordance with law and organized as a non-stock and non-profit sports association on 21 September 2006 unifying both the BAP and PB as a single united basketball organization in the Philippines . Being a fragile organization that seeks to unite both BAP and PB through the convening of the National Congress of the united organization and to oversee the election of officers based on the pertinent provisions of the Tokyo Communique, the By-Laws of BAP-SBP provided a TRANSITORY PROVISION which provides in part, thus:









“ARTICLE XVII

TRANSITORY PROVISIONS

Notwithstanding anything in the Articles of Incorporation and the By-Laws of the Corporation to the contrary, the following transitory provisions shall be applicable commencing from the date of registration of the Corporation from the SEC and until the 2008 National Congress shall have been convened (the “Transitory Period”).



Section 1. National Congress. The first National Congress shall be convened immediately after the incorporation and, in any event, not later than September 30, 2006.



Section 2. Accredited Members. All bona fide members in good standing of the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) and Pilipinas Basketball (PB) at the time of incorporation of the Corporation and as submitted to PIBA by BAP and PB and validated by the three-man panel organized pursuant to the August 28, 2006 joint communiqué signed in Tokyo, Japan by and among representatives from FIBA, POC, BAP and PB, which joint communiqué is incorporated herein by reference, shall be recognized as the first members of the Corporation (the “First Members”) with full rights and privileges, including the right to elect the regular board of trustees that will replace the first Board of Trustees named in Article Eighth of the Articles of Incorporation (the “First Trustees”), unless suspended or expelled in accordance with appropriate rules and regulations. For this purpose, the three-man panel shall formulate the rules and procedures for validation and, when necessary, from a committee that will assist the panel in the validation process.





Section 3. First Trustees. For purposes of expediting the formation of the Corporation, the sectoral representation and qualification requirements for the Transitory Period and until the election of the regular Board of Trustees which shall be held in 2008 to synchronize with the Olympic calendar of 2008-2012.



Section 4. Interim Officers. The interim officers shall be elected by the First Trustees and shall serve in such capacity during the Transitory Period and until their successors shall have been elected and qualified.

Section 5. POC Membership. Immediately upon incorporation, the Corporation shall seek membership with the POC and FIBA, subject to FIBA regulations on membership.”





A copy of the Transitory Provisions is attached as Annex “C”.





To further comply with the provisions of the Tokyo Communique, the three-man panel met in Bangkok , Thailand where they executed a Memorandum of Agreement (also known as the “Bangkok Agreement”) which provides in part, thus:



“3. Membership



All bona fide members of BAP and PB appearing in the lists submitted by BAP and PB to FIBA pursuant to the Tokyo Communique shall be admitted as “members”, instead of “probationary members” of SBP.





4. Nominations



(a) BAP shall have the rights to nominate for the following positions:



(1) Chairman of the Board of Trustees

(2) Treasurer



(b) PB shall have the rights to nominate for the following positions



(1) Vice Chairman of the Board of Trustees

(2) Corporate Secretary





5. Officers



The following officers shall be elected by BAP and PB at the Unity Congress and will serve as such during the Transitory Period referred to in the By-Laws of SBP and until their successors are elected and qualified:



Chairman – to be named at the Unity Congress

Vice Chairman-VICTORICO P. VARGAS

President - MANUEL PANGALINAN

Secretary -MARIVIC R. ANONUEVO

Treasurer -to be named at the Unity Congress

Legal Counsel- Atty. Bonifacio Alentajan



The Board of Trustees shall conduct an executive search in order to select an appropriate neutral candidate for the position of Executive Director. The Board of Trustees shall elect the successor of the President from among themselves not later than the expiration of the Transitory Period.



Xxx



7. Binding Effect



The right of the parties to name their respective nominees pursuant to this Memorandum of Agreement shall be valid only during the Transitory period referred to in the By-Laws on election of officers and committee chairman and members shall apply.”





A copy of the Bangkok Agreement is attached as Annex “D”.





On the basis of the Transitory Provisions of the BAP-SBP By-Laws and the Bangkok Agreement and by reason of the refusal of the Transitory President, Manuel V. Pangilinan to recognize the election of Mr. Luis Villafuerte as the duly elected Transitory Chairman, the latter together with the overwhelming majority of the members of BAP-SBP that were accredited in the Tokyo Communique, BAP-SBP Transitory Provisions of its By-Laws and the Bangkok Agreement as authorized by Section 3 of Article IV of the By-Laws of BAP-SBP which provides that: “Section 3. Special Meeting. Special meetings of the members may be called at anytime by resolution of the Board of Trustees or by order of the Chairman of the Board, the Vice-Chairman or the President or upon written request of at least a majority of all the members in good standing of the Corporation. Such request shall state the purpose or purposes of the proposed meeting” issued a notice of meeting and convened the National Congress of the BAP-SBP on June 4, 2008 which elected the First Regular Trustees and Officers of the BAP-SBP, namely:



BOARD OF TRUSTEES

LUIS VILLAFUERTE

WILSON YOUNG

PROSPERO A. PICHAY

CHRISTIAN TAN

TERESITA ABUNDO

TONY FABICO

BONIFACIO ALENTAJAN

RIZALITO DELMORO











GODOFREDO GALLEGA

MANNY GATCHALIAN

CARMEN PADOR

CELESTINO MARTINEZ

REY BAULA

ANGELITO ALVAREZ

ANTONIO ITURALDE

ALEXANDER WANG

YUL BENOSA

ELBERT ATILANO

LORENZO SY

EDWARD CHUA

VIVIAN MANILA

LEONCIO CHUA













REGULAR OFFICERS



Chairman - Luis Villafuerte

Vice-Chairman - Wilson T. Young

President - Prospero A. Pichay, Jr.

Executive Director - Christian D. Tan

Secretary - Teresita D. Abundo

Treasurer - Tony Fabico

Legal Counsel - Atty. Bonifacio A. Alentajan





Despite the elections held on June 4, 2008 in strict adherence with the document executed by all the parties which culminated to the unity of basketball in the Philippines , another election was held by Manuel V. Pangilinan on June 12, 2008 which allowed to only nineteen (19) members of BAP-SBP to cast their votes at said elections out of total 87 first members. Thus, the situation created two (2) sets of Boards of Trustees and Officers of BAP-SBP further dividing the parties and stakeholders of Philippine Basketball.

By reason of the illegally held elections courtesy of Manuel V. Pangilinan, the trustees and officers of BAP-SBP led by Luis R. Villafuerte filed a case in the Philippine Court seeking to annul the said illegally held elections. The case is now submitted for decision.



- END -

Howard the Duck
09-03-2008, 01:37 AM
ano bah, di na binding ang tokyo communique ???

thadzonline
09-03-2008, 09:05 AM
what's even funny is the fact that there was mention of them(BAP) subscribing to the SBP(or BAP-SBP) by laws. Tanong nga lang is whether it is the original BAP-SBP bylaws drafted after the Tokyo Communique or the bylaws they crafted after their June 4 elections.

D_I_A
09-03-2008, 08:25 PM
what's even funny is the fact that there was mention of them(BAP) subscribing to the SBP(or BAP-SBP) by laws. Tanong nga lang is whether it is the original BAP-SBP bylaws drafted after the Tokyo Communique or the bylaws they crafted after their June 4 elections.


you mean this is dubious? baka lalo pang magkagulo nito.. maglalabas ang sino mang kolokoy ng kanyang version just to justify that they're are the real McCoy. Unless the source is really from FIBA.

thadzonline
09-04-2008, 10:43 PM
what's even funny is the fact that there was mention of them(BAP) subscribing to the SBP(or BAP-SBP) by laws. Tanong nga lang is whether it is the original BAP-SBP bylaws drafted after the Tokyo Communique or the bylaws they crafted after their June 4 elections.


you mean this is dubious? baka lalo pang magkagulo nito.. maglalabas ang sino mang kolokoy ng kanyang version just to justify that they're are the real McCoy. Unless the source is really from FIBA.


nope, the source of the document posted is BAP. If we recall, ni-register nila Pichay ang BAP-SBP corporate name sa SEC after their June 4 elections. Done in bad faith to take advantage of the fact that after the Bangkok accord, hindi agad na amend and SBP bylaws kasi nga they had to wait for the next congress. SBP(yung kina MVP) has already filed for delisting of BAP-SBP(yung kina Pichay) from SEC kasi dati pa naman ay nag apply na for exclusive use for the name "Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas" after the Tokyo accord. Kaya ang legal contention nila MVP is dapat hindi napayagan ang registration ng BAP-SBP nina Pichay.

Iba iba sila ng interpretation kaya magulo...or sadya lang talagang may nanggulo

D_I_A
09-05-2008, 12:31 AM
what's even funny is the fact that there was mention of them(BAP) subscribing to the SBP(or BAP-SBP) by laws. Tanong nga lang is whether it is the original BAP-SBP bylaws drafted after the Tokyo Communique or the bylaws they crafted after their June 4 elections.


you mean this is dubious? baka lalo pang magkagulo nito.. maglalabas ang sino mang kolokoy ng kanyang version just to justify that they're are the real McCoy. Unless the source is really from FIBA.


nope, the source of the document posted is BAP. If we recall, ni-register nila Pichay ang BAP-SBP corporate name sa SEC after their June 4 elections. Done in bad faith to take advantage of the fact that after the Bangkok accord, hindi agad na amend and SBP bylaws kasi nga they had to wait for the next congress. SBP(yung kina MVP) has already filed for delisting of BAP-SBP(yung kina Pichay) from SEC kasi dati pa naman ay nag apply na for exclusive use for the name "Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas" after the Tokyo accord. Kaya ang legal contention nila MVP is dapat hindi napayagan ang registration ng BAP-SBP* nina Pichay.

Iba iba sila ng interpretation kaya magulo...or sadya lang talagang may nanggulo


ayos sa research ha sir thadz, keep it up! ;)

bossman
09-07-2008, 11:33 AM
Nun Olympics, Nakausap naman ng mga top sports officials natin ang mga heads ng FIBA and ang group na talagang supported nila SBP. Kaya dapat mawala na yun BAP.

Get_Blazed
09-07-2008, 01:52 PM
BAP aligned collegiate leagues NCRAA, UCAA, and CUSA(also aligned with SBP) affects the PCCL in a negative way. That is why I push that they should just be merged or some be dissolved.

This is my research posted in the PCCL Thread. Take time to read and you'd understand:
http://www.gameface.ph/forums/index.php?topic=3623.0

D_I_A
09-07-2008, 02:07 PM
BAP aligned collegiate leagues NCRAA, UCAA, and CUSA(also aligned with SBP) affects the PCCL in a negative way. That is why I push that they should just be merged or some be dissolved.

This is my research posted in the PCCL Thread. Take time to read and you'd understand:
http://www.gameface.ph/forums/index.php?topic=3623.0


it's not only these 3 NCR based leagues that are BAP aligned even those in the provinces. Mas marami dun. PCCL is actually a mechanism that will include those estranged leagues aligned with the BAP para mas lalo silang magparticipate sa SBP kaysa sa BAP e.g. National Student's Basketball Championships.

PilipinasFan
09-22-2008, 01:32 PM
SBP vs BAP

The sad part about Philippine Basketball is that the leaders who are involved in the mess we’re in all seem to think they are doing the right thing. History has proven that those who sacrificed self for the greater good leave a lasting legacy for future generations to be grateful for and benefit from. Unfortunately in some cases, the greater good is not enough to merit the sacrifice from those involved.

It is so frustrating to us outsiders to observe how simple sacrifice would have advanced the cause of our basketball program this past decade or so. The Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) has been unsuccessful in tapping the best talents to at least give our country a semblance of respectability.

Although I disagreed with the reasons and even the process of kicking out the BAP from the Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) which led to our eventual suspension from FIBA, it was obvious that something had to be done to improve our performance in international tournaments. Pilipinas Basketball (PB), a group created to supposedly replace the BAP in the POC was not recognized by FIBA which complicated things. Only after an initial breakthrough in Bangkok where representatives from all groups (PB and BAP including FIBA) decided to put selfishness aside for the good of the country did FIBA lift the suspension.

The new group formed, Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) had a lot of promise. It had the resources and clout to get the best players. It had the support of the most influential basketball organizations like the PBA, PBL, and the UAAP. And it seemed to have an adequate network of coaches and officials to implement grassroots programs nationwide. It was supposed to be a triumph in human cooperation where two opposing groups put their pride and differences aside and work toward a common goal.

The SBP actually got a lot of people excited about basketball again. Manny Pangilinan, a respected and successful business person and a known supporter of sports, was elected president as FIBA required someone who was neutral from both PB and BAP to head the new organization. The PBA gave its full support by adjusting their calendar and lending its resources. The PBL followed suit lending players for qualifying tournaments within the region. The youth program got financial backing while the women’s team started overachieving in tournaments abroad. Progress was actually noticeable.

So why, despite the steps forward, is there still division and efforts to derail all that has been achieved? Just like the POC, politicians are leading the charge for the BAP, which should have ceased to exist if the Bangkok agreement was to be followed. The group started to disregard the efforts of the SBP. They began organizing their own tournaments and electing their own officers in blatant defiance of the latter. The SBP on their part, armed with written letters of support from the POC and FIBA, discouraged participation in the BAP tourneys.

Now the BAP has found a judge named Antonio Eugenio to go along with their cause and declared the SBP elections null and void while affirming their own. I reckon the SBP will appeal the decision and more legal mumbo jumbo will happen. But why is a judge even involved in the first place? The court stated that it was not impressed by the presence of the POC and the recognition by FIBA during the SBP elections. Is there just too much pride to go around that a judge with no stake in the matter deems practically irrelevant the governing bodies whohave the most authority on the subject?

All of us just want Philippine international basketball to flourish once again. I’m sure there have been some feelings hurt with exclusions from certain processes and even moves that might have made the other “marginal”. Great men work past wounded pride and continue to journey toward the greatest good.

In basketball, the winners are the ones who are willing to do whatever it takes for the good of the team. Those who are willing to give up individual glory and focus on team victory. Those who know his teammates’ strengths and weaknesses and compliment them with his own. Those who step up in crucial moments of the game and deliver when needed.

With this new development from branch 24 of the Manila Regional Trial Court, we are once again at a crossroads. Our country is at risk of suspension if FIBA decides that we really cannot function as one.

Are we going to be bitter or better? Are we going to be winners or whiners? Can Philippine Basketball deliver in the clutch? Let’s hope all the fumbles and turnovers can be overcome in the endgame.

alex15
09-22-2008, 05:58 PM
BAP=MONEY

SBP is way better than BAP....We don't need to discuss it....

D_I_A
09-22-2008, 09:33 PM
DOWN WITH THE BAP!!!

DEPORT GRAHAM LIM NOW!!!

SBP DON'T YIELD TO BAP!!!

SUPPORT THE SBP!!!

LONG LIVE PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL!!!

KobeWanKenobi
09-22-2008, 10:07 PM
Lets all sign the online petition against the BAP

http://www.petitiononline.com/stopBAP/petition.html

D_I_A
09-22-2008, 10:22 PM
alright guys here's one hell of f_**ing news from the web:


Daily Tribune
BAP drags SBP to court

09/23/2008

The disgraced Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) has dragged the legitimate Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) to court, and another possible suspension from the the International Basketball Federation (Fiba), which frown upon government intervention.

But the court case’s most immediate effect was felt when it clamped the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) from forming a national team until the case is resolved.

PBA commissioner Renauld “Sonny” Barrios yesterday withheld naming the national coach after he was told he could not move while the case is pending.

“As I understand it, there is a cease and desist court order on the SBP for it to function as the NSA (national sport association) of basketball,” Barrios explained.

“That being the case, prudence dictates me to put on hold my naming our choice since it was the SBP which gave me the order. Our legal department is still working at it, but as of now baka ma-cite for contempt pa ako if I name the coach.”


Damned it!!!

Makita ko lang itong si Pichay or Graham Lim mumurahin ko agad ito!!!

pachador
09-23-2008, 12:26 PM
what kind of country is the Philippines where a rich illegal alien in the name of graham lim who is already approved for deportation by the Philippine Supreme court is still not deported . why? oh why ? who are the government officials protecting this rich illegal alien. I would have forgiven this despicable alien if he just kept a low profile , but he has the gall to piss-off the whole filipino basketball nation through the BAP's legal actions and antics.

korn666333
09-23-2008, 09:29 PM
BAP suckz!

down with the bap!

im with the SBP!

D_I_A
09-24-2008, 12:00 AM
Following are steps that we could undertake in our movement:

1. let's create or form discussion groups.

2. organize committees or organizing cells in major cities in the Philippines like NCR, Metro Cebu, Davao City, Baguio, GenSan, Zamboanga, Bacolod, Iloilo, Baguio and other cities where basketball is really an issue.

3. appoint lead groups from these areas, tackle the BAP-SBP row and its repercussions in the Philippine basketball scene and its participation in the International competitions

4. volunteers from the the different forums are highly encouraged to come in the open and implement plans.

5. coordinate these with the other areas where cells have been organized

6. continue and heighten all online petitions against the BAP

7. if we have already had significant numbers and supporters, a mass action could take place. UAAP, NCAA, CESAFI or other basketball competition of major significance can be the best platform we could take for media mileage is already present.

8. involve local basketball issues e.g. CESAFI's backing of BAP in CEBU etc.

9. file a legal case against the BAP personalities (with media exposure definitely)

10. ask some basketball personalities to join the petition and mass actions

you can add more suggestions with these dudes and dudettes


for NCR forumers maybe we could meet and discuss this issue, just name the place and when. again suggestions are highly appreciated.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++

DOWN WITH THE BAP!!!

DEPORT GRAHAM LIM NOW!!!

SBP DON'T YIELD TO bap!!!


>:( >:( >:(

amdgc82
09-24-2008, 07:19 AM
September 23, 2008
Jack Marañon Appointed Anew as WV BAP Commiz
www.ndb-online.com

Jack Marañon was appointed anew as the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) Regional Commissioner for Western Visayas for three years now.

His appointment was signed by Graham Lim, BAP Secretary-General last September 8, 2008. His appointment was indorsed by members of the National Capital Region (NCR) from different commissions and affiliated organization members to the Basketball Association of the Philippines. Marañon was president of the United Referees Association of Negros (URAN) for the past six years or more.

He also serves as tournament commissioner of the elementary and high school divisions of the Negros Occidental Private Schools Sports, Cultural and Educational Association (NOPSSCEA) for several years.

He is also the most-sought after tournament organizer of some municipalities and cities who are conducting their tournaments for their activities.

He received his appointed from BAP International referee George Magsino and newly appointed BAP Regional Director, Roger A. Banzuela.*

2sc1
09-24-2008, 07:52 AM
September 23, 2008
Jack Marañon Appointed Anew as WV BAP Commiz
www.ndb-online.com

Jack Marañon was appointed anew as the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) Regional Commissioner for Western Visayas for three years now.

His appointment was signed by Graham Lim, BAP Secretary-General last September 8, 2008. His appointment was indorsed by members of the National Capital Region (NCR) from different commissions and affiliated organization members to the Basketball Association of the Philippines. Marañon was president of the United Referees Association of Negros (URAN) for the past six years or more.

He also serves as tournament commissioner of the elementary and high school divisions of the Negros Occidental Private Schools Sports, Cultural and Educational Association (NOPSSCEA) for several years.

He is also the most-sought after tournament organizer of some municipalities and cities who are conducting their tournaments for their activities.

He received his appointed from BAP International referee George Magsino and newly appointed BAP Regional Director, Roger A. Banzuela.*


Here we are again. BAP still acting like it exists, along with Pichay and Villafuerte trying to take over the SBP.

durden_tyler
09-24-2008, 02:48 PM
Love or hate Quinito, you know this guy loves the game and Philippine basketball in general.

Full article from Philippine Star: COURTING DISASTER by Henson (http://philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20080923146")


Whenever courts intervene in an issue of dispute involving sports, it’s never good news. Can you imagine the chaos if a losing boxer goes to court and tries to reverse a decision on the basis of the judges’ alleged incompetence? There are avenues of arbitration available within the sports hierarchy to resolve issues of conflict. Bringing in government or the church or some other third party to settle a dispute in sports just isn’t sporting.

Unfortunately, Eugenio’s decision – if ultimately, upheld – will have serious repercussions on Philippine basketball. For one, it could trigger another suspension by FIBA and retard the growth process painstakingly being worked out by the SBP. For another, it will mean another long wait before the Philippines can regroup to be competitive at the Asian level.

The SBP isn’t a sham organization. Its leaders are men of purpose, not carpetbaggers with hidden agendas. What a disaster if these men of consequence become disenchanted by all the intrigue, confusion and back-stabbing and in exasperation, leave the fate of the country’s basketball existence in the hands of highwaymen.

For what it’s worth, the BAP stands for something and should be part of the SBP as an affiliate association. But the BAP’s brazen attempt to take control of the SBP through the courts is a flagrant foul that carries a penalty of ejection.

D_I_A
09-24-2008, 05:13 PM
September 23, 2008
Jack Marañon Appointed Anew as WV BAP Commiz
www.ndb-online.com

Jack Marañon was appointed anew as the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) Regional Commissioner for Western Visayas for three years now.

His appointment was signed by Graham Lim, BAP Secretary-General last September 8, 2008. His appointment was indorsed by members of the National Capital Region (NCR) from different commissions and affiliated organization members to the Basketball Association of the Philippines. Marañon was president of the United Referees Association of Negros (URAN) for the past six years or more.

He also serves as tournament commissioner of the elementary and high school divisions of the Negros Occidental Private Schools Sports, Cultural and Educational Association (NOPSSCEA) for several years.

He is also the most-sought after tournament organizer of some municipalities and cities who are conducting their tournaments for their activities.

He received his appointed from BAP International referee George Magsino and newly appointed BAP Regional Director, Roger A. Banzuela.*


Here we are again. BAP still acting like it exists, along with Pichay and Villafuerte trying to take over the SBP.



mga propaganda runs lang ito ng BAP

ang dami rin kasin lumabas na press releases lately about the SBP lalo na yung foreign coach at national coach appointment, kaya naglalabas kahit walang kakwenta kwentang balita ang mga talunan

D_I_A
09-24-2008, 05:15 PM
Love or hate Quinito, you know this guy loves the game and Philippine basketball in general.

Full article from Philippine Star: COURTING DISASTER by Henson (http://philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20080923146")


Whenever courts intervene in an issue of dispute involving sports, it’s never good news. Can you imagine the chaos if a losing boxer goes to court and tries to reverse a decision on the basis of the judges’ alleged incompetence? There are avenues of arbitration available within the sports hierarchy to resolve issues of conflict. Bringing in government or the church or some other third party to settle a dispute in sports just isn’t sporting.

Unfortunately, Eugenio’s decision – if ultimately, upheld – will have serious repercussions on Philippine basketball. For one, it could trigger another suspension by FIBA and retard the growth process painstakingly being worked out by the SBP. For another, it will mean another long wait before the Philippines can regroup to be competitive at the Asian level.

The SBP isn’t a sham organization. Its leaders are men of purpose, not carpetbaggers with hidden agendas. What a disaster if these men of consequence become disenchanted by all the intrigue, confusion and back-stabbing and in exasperation, leave the fate of the country’s basketball existence in the hands of highwaymen.

For what it’s worth, the BAP stands for something and should be part of the SBP as an affiliate association. But the BAP’s brazen attempt to take control of the SBP through the courts is a flagrant foul that carries a penalty of ejection.



talaga naman may sense itong si the dean eh..kahit na biased minsan..

bossman
09-24-2008, 09:51 PM
Pagulo talaga yan BAP.

KobeWanKenobi
09-28-2008, 04:30 PM
Started by our very own Jonar Sabilano. We now have as of this post 201 signatures (although I think 2 are pro BAP).

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?stopBAP

I posted this on PinoyExchange.com, MyPBA.com, Pacland, GinebraOnline.com, AlaskaAces.com.ph, Yehey.com and maybe some other websites so that more people can sign the petition.

Lets encourage more people to sign the petition.

D_I_A
09-28-2008, 11:28 PM
Started by our very own Jonar Sabilano. We now have as of this post 201 signatures (although I think 2 are pro BAP).

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?stopBAP

I posted this on PinoyExchange.com, MyPBA.com, Pacland, GinebraOnline.com, AlaskaAces.com.ph, Yehey.com and maybe some other websites so that more people can sign the petition.

Lets encourage more people to sign the petition.


it's better to connect to other networks..maybe all of us here can repost the links in other blogsites or threads

Down with the BAP!!!

Deport Graham Lim Now!!!

Onward SBP!!!

Long Live Philippine Basketball

thadzonline
09-30-2008, 11:57 PM
I think the court acted on the premise that a memorandum of agreement between two Philippine parties, no matter where this was entered is under its jurisdiction. The BAP case stems from 2 documents which can be considered MOA's between BAP and the former PB: the Tokyo Communique and the Bangkok Agreement which paved the way for establishing the SBP.

After the Tokyo Accord was signed, it paved the way to establish a merger between BAP and PB, resulting into the founding of SBP. Soon after, the parties again signed the Bangkok Agreement. I do not know exactly the circumstances why they had to enter into such. Take note that by this time(as SBP claims), Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas, Inc. has already been registered exclusively at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Part of the Bangkok Agreement pertains to an amendment of the registered name into BAP-Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas, Inc.

MVP, SBP President, says the reason why no move was made to amend the SEC documents was since it entails so much expense to convene the SBP stakeholders/incorporators, he thought it would be just right to do such during the general membership meeting(the national unity congress).

8 days before SBP under the leadership of MVP convened, Pichay, Lim and Villafuerte held their own national unity congress saying that they have the support of the majority negating the validation process conducted by the SBP and dismissing it as a violation of the previously entered agreements.

Right before the SBP under MVP convened, Pichay and company already registered BAP-Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas Inc. at SEC, a move seen by SBP as done in bad faith. Curiously also, SBP claims, SEC should have denied such application since they already applied for exclusive use of the Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas, and an acronym(BAP) cannot just be easily appended unto it.

The court case filed by BAP shows the difference in interpretation of documents by both sides, particularly the SBP by-laws, Tokyo Communique and Bangkok Agreement.

In SBP's point of view, the SBP by-laws should have already superseded the Bangkok Agreement and the Tokyo Communique, rendering BAP and PB dissolved. BAP continues to exist to this date claiming that they are the rightful representatives of the basketball NSA. ALso, SBp says the Bangkok Agreement is merely an extension of the Tokyo Communique and does not supersede the Tokyo accord.

In BAP's point of view, the Bangkok Agreement was still in effect until the next set of officers were elected signaling the end of the transitory period of the Bangkok Agreement.

The primary source of conflict is as to who are eligible to vote. BAP says there have been a violation of the Tokyo accord when the NomElCom did a validation of members. BAP says, it is ok to do a validation of members but not curtail the voting rights of members whose list was submitted by both BAP and PB pursuant to the Tokyo Communique.

On the other hand, SBP says the Bangkok Agreement actually calls for such validation of members. And while BAP has disagreed all along, interestingly BAP has 8 nominees to the NOMELCOM while PB(including the NOMELCOM chair) only has 5. Interesting to ask why no objections were raised at the committee level.

My take on the matter: whether minor or major, both sides have some explaining to do. Perhaps, the various agreements they entered into have some discrepancies from the get-go resulting into these many confusions. For the sake of Philippine basketball, the best way to move forward is together. Resolve differences

sajubeads
10-01-2008, 07:51 AM
Well done Thadz.

CrossOver
10-01-2008, 10:50 AM
Sana naman ay makiisa na tong BAP ang nanyayari kasi nagiging pangulo sila sa tingin ng Pilipino si Noli Eala naman ay gumagawa ng paraan para i approach sila kaso tong BAP ay sadyang ma prapride kung mahal nila ang bansa natin makiisa sila para sa ikabubuti ng pinaka mamahal nating sports.

a_ron
10-08-2008, 12:03 AM
Started by our very own Jonar Sabilano. We now have as of this post 201 signatures (although I think 2 are pro BAP).

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?stopBAP

I posted this on PinoyExchange.com, MyPBA.com, Pacland, GinebraOnline.com, AlaskaAces.com.ph, Yehey.com and maybe some other websites so that more people can sign the petition.

Lets encourage more people to sign the petition.


it's better to connect to other networks..maybe all of us here can repost the links in other blogsites or threads

Down with the BAP!!!

Deport Graham Lim Now!!!

Onward SBP!!!

Long Live Philippine Basketball

pachador
10-08-2008, 08:46 AM
lets enlarge the petition to include BCAP.
down wth the 2 B's ---> BCAP + BAP = PALPAK

GHRanger
10-08-2008, 10:39 AM
Unfortunately, It's turning into a blog reponse thread.
I don't think PEX is the right place to put this to get serious commitments.

CrossOver
10-08-2008, 01:31 PM
Agree ako sali na din ang BCAP sa mga "Demonyo" ng RP Basketball. BCAP manahimik na lang kayo isang team lang naman ang ihahandle ni Toroman w/c is our National Team kung nag-iisip kayo wala pang 1% ng mga coaches sa atin ang ma aapektuhan kung ang punto nyo ay trabaho! Ang yayabang nyo ano na ba mga achievements nyo bilang coach sa int'l competition sa Asia & sa World? Buksan nyo mga isip nyo pampam na kayo sobra.

amdgc82
10-15-2008, 12:55 PM
October 15, 2008
BAP to Conduct Accreditation Seminar in Sipalay City
www.ndb-online.com

After a successul accreditation and seminar for basketball officiating and signaling in Escalante and Kabankalan cities, this time Sipalay City will also be benefited by the seminar.

Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) Western Visayas Regional Commissioner Rolando “Jack” Marañon will lead the group to conduct the seminar starting this Friday, October 17 to October 19.

Marañon will be assisted by Karri Turbanos, Richard Riofrir on explaining the new changes of FIBA basketball rules. The seminar will benefit basketball officiating referees in Sipalay City who failed to attend the accreditation seminar last September 11-13, 2008 held at University of St. La Salle, Bacolod City which were conducted by International Referees Boy Reglo and George Magsino together with BAP Regional Director Roger A. Banzuela.

The accreditation seminar in Sipalay City is organized by Carlo Sumogat, SK Federation President; Robert Barcoma, SK secretary with support from City Mayor Soledad C. Montilla and Vice Mayor Oscar Montilla with members of Sangguninag Panlungsod.

Marañon added that on October 20, their group will also conduct the same activity in Hinobaan. For those interested participants, they may contact Noli Ferrer, BAP Municiapl Commissioner-Hinobaan Chapter.*

D_I_A
10-15-2008, 02:17 PM
October 15, 2008
BAP to Conduct Accreditation Seminar in Sipalay City
www.ndb-online.com

After a successul accreditation and seminar for basketball officiating and signaling in Escalante and Kabankalan cities, this time Sipalay City will also be benefited by the seminar.

Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) Western Visayas Regional Commissioner Rolando “Jack” Marañon will lead the group to conduct the seminar starting this Friday, October 17 to October 19.

Marañon will be assisted by Karri Turbanos, Richard Riofrir on explaining the new changes of FIBA basketball rules. The seminar will benefit basketball officiating referees in Sipalay City who failed to attend the accreditation seminar last September 11-13, 2008 held at University of St. La Salle, Bacolod City which were conducted by International Referees Boy Reglo and George Magsino together with BAP Regional Director Roger A. Banzuela.

The accreditation seminar in Sipalay City is organized by Carlo Sumogat, SK Federation President; Robert Barcoma, SK secretary with support from City Mayor Soledad C. Montilla and Vice Mayor Oscar Montilla with members of Sangguninag Panlungsod.

Marañon added that on October 20, their group will also conduct the same activity in Hinobaan. For those interested participants, they may contact Noli Ferrer, BAP Municiapl Commissioner-Hinobaan Chapter.*



huthutan blues nanaman para sa mga taga BAP..

wag kayong papaloko dito..hindi ito ang tunay na basketball NSA..

thadzonline
10-15-2008, 03:02 PM
di ba si Banzuela din ang man in charge for the Unigames?

D_I_A
01-01-2009, 05:16 PM
Southwestern University
eyes NSBC championship
Manila Times
1/1/09


The Southwestern University (SWU) Cobras seek to defend their title when the 63rd National Students Basketball Championship (NSBC) kicks off on February 23 to March 2, 2009 in Butuan City, Agusan del Norte.

The tournament was organized by the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) under the leadership of BAP-Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas President Prospero “Butch” Pichay.

The proposed venue was already forwarded to Pichay for the final approval of the Board, which was initiated by BAP Regional Commissioner Pancho Camingue and Regional Director Joseph Gorme.

As part of the incentive given to the champions of the tournament, secondary level champions Benedictine International School of Quezon City (BIS) and collegiate champions SWU went to China to play in a series of goodwill games held in Fujian Province with BAP Region 7 Director Lorenzo Sy as the head of delegation.

Last year, SWU edged rival University of Visayas (UV) in the finals while University of San Carlos (USC) trounced University of Luzon (UL) 115-105 in the battle for third. USC and UL also earned roster slots in the 6th Asian University Basketball Championships that was held in Cebu City in July 2008 where Hua Qiao University of China emerged as champions.

In the high school level, BIS downed Pilgrim Christian College of Cagayan de Oro 83-79 following the heroics of tournament Most Valuable Player Clark “Tata” Bautista. Third-place honors went to UV Baby Lancers, who defeated University of Pangasinan 115-105.

The top two teams in the college level will be representing the Philippines in the 7th Asian University Basketball Championship in Manila this July 2009.


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Poteks buhay pa kahit bagong taon na...


Down with the BAP!!!

CrossOver
01-02-2009, 01:59 AM
Sa mga sasali sa tournament gising! pustahan tayo wala din kayo mapapala* ::)

nardy
01-20-2009, 01:03 AM
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Asean pro cage league launched
By Abac Cordero Updated January 20, 2009 12:00 AM

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/607/spo1mp2.jpg
Fiba president Bob Elphinston, Asean Basketball League chair
Tony Fernandes, Seaba secretary general Dato Yeoh Choo Hock,
Fiba secretary general Patrick Baumann and Seaba president
Erick Thohir join hands during the launching of the Asean
basketball league.

KUALA LUMPUR – The Asean Basketball League, a home-and-away tournament that would feature professional teams owned by private corporations, was formally launched here yesterday.

And the early buzz is that the Philippines, considered as the basketball capital of Asia, should be the team to beat whoever gets to represent the country.

The tournament has always been a dream for the Southeast Asian Basketball Association (SEABA) under Erick Thohir and the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) under Bob Elphinston.

But only after top officials of these basketball bodies came to meet Tony Fernandes, a successful businessman from Malaysia, did the project get the much-needed shot in the arm.

“I’ve never played basketball in my life and never imagined being a chairman of a basketball league,” said Fernandes, owner of Air Asia and a string of hotels under the Tune Group.

“There is skepticism but we need to try. It’s all about dreaming. My life has always been full of dreams,” said Fernandes, whose airline company has grown from only two planes to 75 in only seven years.

He’d like to see the ABL grow as fast as his business empire, and by September this year, when the league officially takes off, Fernandes wants to see more than a handful teams for its inaugurals.

There will be teams from the Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore and the Philippines. Each country can field more than one team, and each one reinforced by two non-Asian players and two Asian players.

“There can even be Filipinos playing for the other teams,” said Fernandes, who always mentioned the Philippines ahead of the rest each time he talked about the participating countries.

The teams will visit the different countries during the eliminations and the crucial phases, and by February 2010 the first ABL champion would be crowned. To ensure balance, a strict salary cap will be enforced.

Fernandes said he’s looking at a prize money of at least $30,000 for the champion. Just a small pie, he said, and what’s important is to get the tournament going first.

Thohir said franchise forms are now being distributed, and franchise fees being pegged at a very reasonable rate. The SEABA president said there’s been no representation yet from the Philippines or the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

Curiously, however, Graham Lim, the controversial official of the Basketball Association of the Philippines, was at the coffee shop of the Park Royal Hotel here with FIBA secretary-general Patrick Baumann.

Also in the press conference attended by journalists from different Asean countries was SEABA secretary-general Dato Yeoh Choo Hock who first met Fernandes at the Beijing airport during the 2008 Olympics.

What the SEABA and FIBA have been discussing for almost two years now took Hock and Fernandes only 15 minutes to tackle. And after only three meetings afterwards came the ABL.

“There will be many roadblocks, many bumps along the way. But if the spirit is right, no mountain is impassable,” said Fernandes.

D_I_A
01-20-2009, 04:37 AM
something's fishy here right?

Jeon_Addict
01-20-2009, 07:49 AM
Talaga naman! Kala ko ba iddeport na yan! >:( >:(

D_I_A
01-20-2009, 12:50 PM
Hey dudes and dudettes they're f*%#ing back!!! Angry Angry Angry

Nat’l students cagefest begins today in Butuan City
People's Journal
4/20/2009


THE 63rd edition of the National Students Basketball Championships (NSBC) will come off the wraps today (April 20) at the Urios gym in B utuan City, Agusan del Norte.

The week-long competition will be held under the auspices of the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP), headed by president Prospero “Butch” Pichay and chairman Cong. Luis Villafuerte, in cooperation with the Butuan City govern ment.

Pichay will personally grace the opening cermeony of the tournament, along with local government and sports officials.

Eighteen teams -- eight in the collegiate division and 10 in the secondary category -- are seeing action in this annual tournament considered as the oldest collegiate league in the country.

BAP regional commissioner Pancho Camingue said the participating teams are: Collegiate -- Southwestern University, University of San Jose-Recoletos, University of Cebu, Ormoc College, Immaculate Conception-Zamboanga, STI College-Valencia, Surigao Education Center and Southway College of Technology.

Secondary -- University of Cebu, Salazar Institute of Technology, Sacred Heart College, Pilgrim Christian College, Surigao Education Center, Butuan Grace Christian School, Agusan National High School, Butuan City School of Arts and Trade and Libertad National High School.

The official ball of this year’s national students championship is Wilson Basketball.

Last year, Southwestern University Cobras wooed the home crowd by capturing the national collegiate crown over arch rival University of the Visayas in the annual competitions organized by the BAP in cooperation with the Federation of School Sports Association of the Philippines (FESSAP), headed president Dr. Godofredo E. Gallega of the Technological University of the Philippines (TUP).

Benedictine International School-Quezon City, which was handled by coach by Rhuel “Beaujing” Acot, took the national secondary title over Pilgrim Christian College of Cagayan de Oro City.

As reward for their respective title triumphs, Pichay sent SWU and Benedictine IS were sent to Fujian, China to play in a series of goodwill games.

BAP Region 7 director Lorenzo “Chao” Sy headed the delegation to China, with SWU athletic director Ryan Aznar as assistant hea dof delegation.

This year, the champion in the collegiate division will qualify to the seventh Asian University Basketball Championship (AUBC) which will be held in Metro Manila on June 5-12.

Hua Qiao University of China whipped University of Visayas (UV) for the AUBC crown last year held in Cebu City right after the 62nd National Students Championship.


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look at the quality of teams the BAP is presenting parang CESAFI at 2nd or 3rd tier teams from Mindanao na lang ang nahatak para sa bulok na liga nila! tapos ipapadala ang magtsa-champion sa 7th Asian University Basketball Championship na racket league ng Chinese Mafia.



Down With the BAP

Support SBP

Deport Graham Lim ASAP!!!

Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!

D_I_A
05-09-2009, 02:34 AM
Sa kabilang bakod mga dudes at dudettes ito ang nangyayari:


Peoples Journal
5/9/2009
SWU retains NSBC title

BUTUAN CITY -- In another all-Cebu finals, Southwestern University (SWU) defeated University of Cebu, 78-73, to retain the collegiate division title in the 63rd National Students Basketball Championship (NSBC) here recently.

Pushed to the limit during the winner-take-all encounter, the Cobras made a mighty push in the final three minutes to surge ahead for good and romp away with the national collegiate crown in this tournament organized by Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP), headed by Prospero “Butch” Pichay, in cooperation with the Federation of School Association of the Philippines (FESSAP) and Wilson.

Veteran swingman Alfred Belande, the tournament’s MVP a year ago in Cebu City when SWU brought down the mighty University of Visayas in the finals, topscored for the Cobras with 21 points.

Heady guard Loi Poligrates added 16 points for the coach Alejandrito Miego’s charges.

Junemar Fajardo, a 6-9 Kevin Garnett play-alike who is being wooed by several prominent colleges in Manila , led the Webmasters with 35 markers. Fajardo saw action with an all-star selection that placed second in the 17th Kung Sheung Cup in Hong Kong last December.

Earlier, the University of Cebu Baby Webmasters edged out Cagayan de Oro’s Pilgrim Christian College , 69-68, to win the national high school title.

For winning the national collegiate diadem, SWU earned a berth in the seventh Asian University Basketball Championship scheduled June 5-11 at the San Andres Sports Complex in Manila .

To be hosted by the City of Manila, this year’s AUBC tournament is being organized by the Manila Sports Council (MASCO) under Niño de la Cruz.

The scores:

SWU (78) -- Belande 21, Poligrates 16, Zanoria 11, Armicin 10, Pria 6, Gallarde 4, Diango 4, Gianchand 2, Litorja 2, Jalandoni 2

UC (73) -- Fajardo 35, Rogado 17, Pao 6, Mahammad 6, Abella 3, Juliane 2, Luceño 2, Bernil 1, Cayanonti 1

Halftime: 35-30


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I wonder if BAP's national champion can stand a chance to NAASCU's or UCLAA champion or even RP-SBP Nokia U-16 Team..

McCoy
05-13-2009, 11:25 AM
Sa kabilang bakod mga dudes at dudettes ito ang nangyayari:


Peoples Journal
5/9/2009
SWU retains NSBC title

BUTUAN CITY -- In another all-Cebu finals, Southwestern University (SWU) defeated University of Cebu, 78-73, to retain the collegiate division title in the 63rd National Students Basketball Championship (NSBC) here recently.

Pushed to the limit during the winner-take-all encounter, the Cobras made a mighty push in the final three minutes to surge ahead for good and romp away with the national collegiate crown in this tournament organized by Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP), headed by Prospero “Butch” Pichay, in cooperation with the Federation of School Association of the Philippines (FESSAP) and Wilson.

Veteran swingman Alfred Belande, the tournament’s MVP a year ago in Cebu City when SWU brought down the mighty University of Visayas in the finals, topscored for the Cobras with 21 points.

Heady guard Loi Poligrates added 16 points for the coach Alejandrito Miego’s charges.

Junemar Fajardo, a 6-9 Kevin Garnett play-alike who is being wooed by several prominent colleges in Manila , led the Webmasters with 35 markers. Fajardo saw action with an all-star selection that placed second in the 17th Kung Sheung Cup in Hong Kong last December.

Earlier, the University of Cebu Baby Webmasters edged out Cagayan de Oro’s Pilgrim Christian College , 69-68, to win the national high school title.

For winning the national collegiate diadem, SWU earned a berth in the seventh Asian University Basketball Championship scheduled June 5-11 at the San Andres Sports Complex in Manila .

To be hosted by the City of Manila, this year’s AUBC tournament is being organized by the Manila Sports Council (MASCO) under Niño de la Cruz.

The scores:

SWU (78) -- Belande 21, Poligrates 16, Zanoria 11, Armicin 10, Pria 6, Gallarde 4, Diango 4, Gianchand 2, Litorja 2, Jalandoni 2

UC (73) -- Fajardo 35, Rogado 17, Pao 6, Mahammad 6, Abella 3, Juliane 2, Luceño 2, Bernil 1, Cayanonti 1

Halftime: 35-30


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I wonder if BAP's national champion can stand a chance to NAASCU's or UCLAA champion or even RP-SBP Nokia U-16 Team..

Brod para mo na rin minamaliit yun mga provincial team nyan ah! porke't sumali sa BAP organized tournament pipitsugin team na! CESAFI member mga yun (SWU at UC) at kahit mga Manila team pumupunta ng Cebu pra kumuha ng player kahit nga National team eh (kilala mo ba si Junmar Fajardo? FYI gustong-gustong kunin ni Eala at Toroman yun for national team) bakit kasi hinaharang ng SBP yun mga Manila school na sumali sa NSBC para masubukan nila yun mga provincial team. wala naman silang programa para ma-involve mga provincial school. kaya hanggang Luzon lang sila eh!

McCoy
05-13-2009, 11:29 AM
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Asean pro cage league launched
By Abac Cordero Updated January 20, 2009 12:00 AM

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/607/spo1mp2.jpg
Fiba president Bob Elphinston, Asean Basketball League chair
Tony Fernandes, Seaba secretary general Dato Yeoh Choo Hock,
Fiba secretary general Patrick Baumann and Seaba president
Erick Thohir join hands during the launching of the Asean
basketball league.

KUALA LUMPUR – The Asean Basketball League, a home-and-away tournament that would feature professional teams owned by private corporations, was formally launched here yesterday.

And the early buzz is that the Philippines, considered as the basketball capital of Asia, should be the team to beat whoever gets to represent the country.

The tournament has always been a dream for the Southeast Asian Basketball Association (SEABA) under Erick Thohir and the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) under Bob Elphinston.

But only after top officials of these basketball bodies came to meet Tony Fernandes, a successful businessman from Malaysia, did the project get the much-needed shot in the arm.

“I’ve never played basketball in my life and never imagined being a chairman of a basketball league,” said Fernandes, owner of Air Asia and a string of hotels under the Tune Group.

“There is skepticism but we need to try. It’s all about dreaming. My life has always been full of dreams,” said Fernandes, whose airline company has grown from only two planes to 75 in only seven years.

He’d like to see the ABL grow as fast as his business empire, and by September this year, when the league officially takes off, Fernandes wants to see more than a handful teams for its inaugurals.

There will be teams from the Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore and the Philippines. Each country can field more than one team, and each one reinforced by two non-Asian players and two Asian players.

“There can even be Filipinos playing for the other teams,” said Fernandes, who always mentioned the Philippines ahead of the rest each time he talked about the participating countries.

The teams will visit the different countries during the eliminations and the crucial phases, and by February 2010 the first ABL champion would be crowned. To ensure balance, a strict salary cap will be enforced.

Fernandes said he’s looking at a prize money of at least $30,000 for the champion. Just a small pie, he said, and what’s important is to get the tournament going first.

Thohir said franchise forms are now being distributed, and franchise fees being pegged at a very reasonable rate. The SEABA president said there’s been no representation yet from the Philippines or the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

Curiously, however, Graham Lim, the controversial official of the Basketball Association of the Philippines, was at the coffee shop of the Park Royal Hotel here with FIBA secretary-general Patrick Baumann.

Also in the press conference attended by journalists from different Asean countries was SEABA secretary-general Dato Yeoh Choo Hock who first met Fernandes at the Beijing airport during the 2008 Olympics.

What the SEABA and FIBA have been discussing for almost two years now took Hock and Fernandes only 15 minutes to tackle. And after only three meetings afterwards came the ABL.

“There will be many roadblocks, many bumps along the way. But if the spirit is right, no mountain is impassable,” said Fernandes.

hehehe... aminin man o hindi ng SBP mas may tiwala pa rin kay Graham Lim ang mga taga FIBA Asia kesa kay Eala at iba pang opisyal ng SBP

McCoy
05-13-2009, 11:40 AM
[quote=D_I_A ]
Hey dudes and dudettes they're f*%#ing back!!! Angry Angry Angry

Nat’l students cagefest begins today in Butuan City
People's Journal
4/20/2009


THE 63rd edition of the National Students Basketball Championships (NSBC) will come off the wraps today (April 20) at the Urios gym in B utuan City, Agusan del Norte.

The week-long competition will be held under the auspices of the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP), headed by president Prospero “Butch” Pichay and chairman Cong. Luis Villafuerte, in cooperation with the Butuan City govern ment.

Pichay will personally grace the opening cermeony of the tournament, along with local government and sports officials.

Eighteen teams -- eight in the collegiate division and 10 in the secondary category -- are seeing action in this annual tournament considered as the oldest collegiate league in the country.

BAP regional commissioner Pancho Camingue said the participating teams are: Collegiate -- Southwestern University, University of San Jose-Recoletos, University of Cebu, Ormoc College, Immaculate Conception-Zamboanga, STI College-Valencia, Surigao Education Center and Southway College of Technology.

Secondary -- University of Cebu, Salazar Institute of Technology, Sacred Heart College, Pilgrim Christian College, Surigao Education Center, Butuan Grace Christian School, Agusan National High School, Butuan City School of Arts and Trade and Libertad National High School.

The official ball of this year’s national students championship is Wilson Basketball.

Last year, Southwestern University Cobras wooed the home crowd by capturing the national collegiate crown over arch rival University of the Visayas in the annual competitions organized by the BAP in cooperation with the Federation of School Sports Association of the Philippines (FESSAP), headed president Dr. Godofredo E. Gallega of the Technological University of the Philippines (TUP).

Benedictine International School-Quezon City, which was handled by coach by Rhuel “Beaujing” Acot, took the national secondary title over Pilgrim Christian College of Cagayan de Oro City.

As reward for their respective title triumphs, Pichay sent SWU and Benedictine IS were sent to Fujian, China to play in a series of goodwill games.

BAP Region 7 director Lorenzo “Chao” Sy headed the delegation to China, with SWU athletic director Ryan Aznar as assistant hea dof delegation.

This year, the champion in the collegiate division will qualify to the seventh Asian University Basketball Championship (AUBC) which will be held in Metro Manila on June 5-12.

Hua Qiao University of China whipped University of Visayas (UV) for the AUBC crown last year held in Cebu City right after the 62nd National Students Championship.


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[b]look at the quality of teams the BAP is presenting parang CESAFI at 2nd or 3rd tier teams from Mindanao na lang ang nahatak para sa bulok na liga nila! tapos ipapadala ang magtsa-champion sa 7th Asian University Basketball Championship na racket league ng Chinese Mafia.


kahit anong gawin ng SBP hindi nila kaya si Graham Lim coz katulad ng FIBA Asia mas may tiwala kay Graham ang mga Visayas at Mindanao school.

thadzonline
05-13-2009, 11:45 AM
Kung sana may offer na alternative torunament ang SBP for those schools, baka hindi na sila sumali sa NSBC. kaso wala. Sana if SBP dont want schools to participate in BAp activities, eh di mag provide sila ng venue for these schools to play.

McCoy
05-13-2009, 12:21 PM
Kung sana may offer na alternative torunament ang SBP for those schools, baka hindi na sila sumali sa NSBC. kaso wala. Sana if SBP dont want schools to participate in BAp activities, eh di mag provide sila ng venue for these schools to play.


mismo kaibigan, wala silang programa pra sa mga provincial based school. ncaa at uaap tournament lng pinapansin ng SBP. kya pabayaan na lng nila ang BAP na mamahala sa mga minor school league na tulad ng NSBC pra makapag-participate yun mga provincial school. ang problerma ksi sa SBP pag hindi sumunod sa gusto nila yun school tournament iniipit nila ang mga ito. take example yun ncraa wncaa at ucaa hindi nila tinutungan pag hindi sumunod sa kanila kya hindi kataka-taka kung pinababayaan nila mga provicial based tournament. sa CESAFI lang sila hindi makapalag ksi kahit anong gawin nila! mabigat na tournament yun sa Cebu at kahit walang suporta SBP tatakbo ng maayos yun.

D_I_A
05-13-2009, 06:32 PM
Kung sana may offer na alternative torunament ang SBP for those schools, baka hindi na sila sumali sa NSBC. kaso wala. Sana if SBP dont want schools to participate in BAp activities, eh di mag provide sila ng venue for these schools to play.


mismo kaibigan, wala silang programa pra sa mga provincial based school. ncaa at uaap tournament lng pinapansin ng SBP. kya pabayaan na lng nila ang BAP na mamahala sa mga minor school league na tulad ng NSBC pra makapag-participate yun mga provincial school. ang problerma ksi sa SBP pag hindi sumunod sa gusto nila yun school tournament iniipit nila ang mga ito. take example yun ncraa wncaa at ucaa hindi nila tinutungan pag hindi sumunod sa kanila kya hindi kataka-taka kung pinababayaan nila mga provicial based tournament. sa CESAFI lang sila hindi makapalag ksi kahit anong gawin nila! mabigat na tournament yun sa Cebu at kahit walang suporta SBP tatakbo ng maayos yun.



eh kasi madali rin mabilog ang mga probinsya ng BAP kaya kahit ano siguro ang pag-hikayat ng SBP eh talagang umaayaw.

but i go for a genuine national basketball program yung talagang walang piratahan ng players from the countryside.

para at least ma-level ang playing field.

tama na nasa NCR ang technology pero ano ba naman na ibahagi ang kaparehong technology sa mga rehiyon at probinsya di ba?

ito ang pinaka-inaantay ko, tigilan na ang elitismo sa basketball natin, alam ko daming kumukontra sa kin pag nagbibigay ako ng idea na magkaron ng expansion ang mga liga sa NCR gaya ng NCAA pero marami ang umaayaw kesyo dahil sa ego, pride, logistics, schedule, finances, policies etc. pero kung talagang seryosong mga stakeholders ang mga ligang ito eh talagang papayag din ang mga ito sa konsepto na maging bukas sa ganitong ideya, tutal buong bayan naman ang makikinabang pag may mga bagong players na madiskubre at mahulma ang mga laro.

thadzonline
05-14-2009, 11:07 AM
alam nyo I have grown tired of BAP's "hayaan nyo kami mag improve ng grassroots" versus SBP's "we are developing the top leagues and players" approach. why can't they just 'effin work together!

D_I_A
05-14-2009, 12:36 PM
alam nyo I have grown tired of BAP's "hayaan nyo kami mag improve ng grassroots" versus SBP's "we are developing the top leagues and players" approach. why can't they just 'effin work together!


i don't see how BAP could become so sincere after it continuous to hound and employ it mafia tactics on the SBP.

you're not alone if being tired is the case..the entire country is tired of BAP's antics..i hope they just leave Philippine basketball to SBP.

thadzonline
05-14-2009, 04:41 PM
SBP has its own faults as well. So it's not really a case of the super good SBP and the super bad BAP. As you have quoted me in another forums, everything needs to be transparent

Schortsanitis
05-14-2009, 04:58 PM
The only reason the BAP is hosting "basketball programs" (cough, cough, ahem) in Cebu, is in exchange for political favor. You think the BAP would gladly spend money for the sake of Cebu basketball, if not in return for the loyalty of dogs like Tiukhinoy? Of course not.

The BAP's programs in Cebu is exchange for CESAFI's loyalty in terms of their fight against the SBP.

digitalsuperman
05-14-2009, 05:17 PM
hmmm.. if BAP is really into promoting grassroots program. why is it that they mainly focus on cebu?? when you say province it doesn't mean only cebu...

thadzonline
05-14-2009, 05:38 PM
There's a collegiate league in Bohol that is hosted by BAP, the last NSBC was held in Butuan, the 7th AUBC will be in Manila..In fact the last tournament in Cebu was last year. As i've said I can only clearly tell you about the gains some Cebu schools because I am from Cebu.

You see if SBP wants these provincial teams not to join BAP tournaments, let them organize alternative tournaments. Because while there is none, these provincial teams welcome the opportunity BAP is presenting. I do not find fault in them for doing so, they only want to get better by playing more games and join competitions. And BAP has provided them the avenue for that while SBP has not. That is sad because SBP, as a national sports association, is supposed to represent basketball stakeholders on a national scope and many in the countryside do not even feel their presence.

McCoy
05-14-2009, 08:29 PM
[quote=thadzonline ]
Kung sana may offer na alternative torunament ang SBP for those schools, baka hindi na sila sumali sa NSBC. kaso wala. Sana if SBP dont want schools to participate in BAp activities, eh di mag provide sila ng venue for these schools to play.


mismo kaibigan, wala silang programa pra sa mga provincial based school. ncaa at uaap tournament lng pinapansin ng SBP. kya pabayaan na lng nila ang BAP na mamahala sa mga minor school league na tulad ng NSBC pra makapag-participate yun mga provincial school. ang problerma ksi sa SBP pag hindi sumunod sa gusto nila yun school tournament iniipit nila ang mga ito. take example yun ncraa wncaa at ucaa hindi nila tinutungan pag hindi sumunod sa kanila kya hindi kataka-taka kung pinababayaan nila mga provicial based tournament. sa CESAFI lang sila hindi makapalag ksi kahit anong gawin nila! mabigat na tournament yun sa Cebu at kahit walang suporta SBP tatakbo ng maayos yun.



eh kasi madali rin mabilog ang mga probinsya ng BAP kaya kahit ano siguro ang pag-hikayat ng SBP eh talagang umaayaw.

but i go for a genuine national basketball program yung talagang walang piratahan ng players from the countryside.

para at least ma-level ang playing field.

tama na nasa NCR ang technology pero ano ba naman na ibahagi ang kaparehong technology sa mga rehiyon at probinsya di ba?

ito ang pinaka-inaantay ko, tigilan na ang elitismo sa basketball natin, alam ko daming kumukontra sa kin pag nagbibigay ako ng idea na magkaron ng expansion ang mga liga sa NCR gaya ng NCAA pero marami ang umaayaw kesyo dahil sa ego, pride, logistics, schedule, finances, policies etc. pero kung talagang seryosong mga stakeholders ang mga ligang ito eh talagang papayag din ang mga ito sa konsepto na maging bukas sa ganitong ideya, tutal buong bayan naman ang makikinabang pag may mga bagong players na madiskubre at mahulma ang mga laro.


ini-insulto mo nman mga taga probinsya nyan eh. madaling mabilog ang ulo??? ang gusto ksi ng SBP maging sunod-sunuran sa kanila mga team or school league sa probinsya. matagal na yun National Student Basketball Championship (en wala naman ganoon programa SBP) bakit kailangan nila harangin sumali mga school? tinatakot pa
speaking of pamimirata... so bakit kinukuha ng SBP si Junmar Fajardo ng UC! gusto pa with contract! dahil pag pumirma ng kontrata sa SBP! siyempre wala ng magagawa yun pag pinag-stay ng SBP sa Manila. naging legal lang pamimirata ng player sa countryside.
maari nman maglaro sa national team mga provincial player pro sa sistemang gusto ni Eala malabong lumaro mga yun, coz gusto nilang ibase sa manila ang mga ito, en tsong kung sa Cebu lng maraming magaling na coach doon Al Solis, Elmer Cabahug, Dodie Miego nandoon pa si El Presidente

D_I_A
05-15-2009, 02:55 AM
ini-insulto mo nman mga taga probinsya nyan eh. madaling mabilog ang ulo??? ang gusto ksi ng SBP maging sunod-sunuran sa kanila mga team or school league sa probinsya. matagal na yun National Student Basketball Championship (en wala naman ganoon programa SBP) bakit kailangan nila harangin sumali mga school? tinatakot pa
speaking of pamimirata... so bakit kinukuha ng SBP si Junmar Fajardo ng UC! gusto pa with contract! dahil pag pumirma ng kontrata sa SBP! siyempre wala ng magagawa yun pag pinag-stay ng SBP sa Manila. naging legal lang pamimirata ng player sa countryside.
maari nman maglaro sa national team mga provincial player pro sa sistemang gusto ni Eala malabong lumaro mga yun, coz gusto nilang ibase sa manila ang mga ito, en tsong kung sa Cebu lng maraming magaling na coach doon Al Solis, Elmer Cabahug, Dodie Miego nandoon pa si El Presidente


it's not an insult, it's just my observation.

NSBC indeed has made an indelible mark in our country's basketball history, but it's credibility was destroyed and was corrupted by BAP vermins.

tinatakot? I think CESAFI's Tiukhinoy could only be imagining such in his mind. Were their sanctions given? SBP just left the CESAFI board alone to decide on it's own right?

Regarding Junmar Fajardo, of course he's Tiukhinoy's boy, so what do you expect. Slaughter was from Gullas school right and a known SBP supporter so he was allowed to join the RP-SBP Smart Gilas Developmental Team.

But at one point I agree with you with Sir Thadz that NCR based schools should limit snatching, luring or pirating players from the regions or provinces so that these areas would grow. But if it's for the national cause, I don't see anything wrong if SBP would want the province's or region's best for international campaign right?

As for Coaching minds, yes CEBU has great basketball geniuses. But the technology is still here in NCR. But, I really hope that SBP would start organizing coaches from all over the Philippines how National Team Coach Toroman and Yeng is doing together with Coach Altamirano of National Youth Team so that the technology would be diluted to the provinces and regions.

Just don't ask me for support for the BAP


Still...


Sulong Basketball ng Pilipinas!!!

Down with the BAP!!!

Schortsanitis
05-15-2009, 12:20 PM
What puzzles me, though, is can't Cebu find any other benefactor out there who is also "nice'? Do they really have to cling to the coattails of shady characters like Graham Lim, because he's the only one around?

That is very tragic, indeed. Paging one or a couple our tycoons out there .....

McCoy
05-15-2009, 02:18 PM
The only reason the BAP is hosting "basketball programs" (cough, cough, ahem) in Cebu, is in exchange for political favor. You think the BAP would gladly spend money for the sake of Cebu basketball, if not in return for the loyalty of dogs like Tiukhinoy? Of course not.

The BAP's programs in Cebu is exchange for CESAFI's loyalty in terms of their fight against the SBP.




tsong ang loyalty ng CESAFI ay for Philippine basketball not with BAP or SBP
re; BAP spending money for Cebu' sake dyan mo makikita kung paano magtulungan ang mga nasa likod ng BAP kahit wala silang MVP. Sila Eala kya kikilos kung wala si MVP.
ang pagtutulungan ng mga tao sa BAP ay mula pa sa pagkakaibigan niula noon high school

thadzonline
05-15-2009, 04:34 PM
What puzzles me, though, is can't Cebu find any other benefactor out there who is also "nice'? Do they really have to cling to the coattails of shady characters like Graham Lim, because he's the only one around?

That is very tragic, indeed. Paging one or a couple our tycoons out there .....


Two of the biggest promoters/organizers in Cebu basketball are Chao Sy and Yayoy Alcoseba/M. Lhuilier. Chao Sy, as we read had been slighted by the SBP while Alcoseba holds a high position in the SBP organization. As Cebu has shown last year(2008), pwede naman palang mag-usap usap ang organizers involved to give way to more tournaments resulting to a lot of both SBP and BAP organied events in Cebu last year, i.e Partners' Cup, VAAA, Lhuillier Summer Challenge, Fortuna Cup, NSBC, AUBC. Di ba masaya yung ganun. The more, the merrier ika nga.

The only reason I can find why one group should prevent its affiliated schools to join tournaments is ego. May mawawala ba if schools play in all those mini tournaments when in fact it is beneficial to raising the bar of competition by allowing teams to play more games?

Sadly, the kind of harmony Cebu's basketball leaders have shown in allowing all those tournaments to be staged last year is no longer evident now, no thanks to the domination of isolationalism in Philippine basketball.

Funny how "isolation" in basketball tends to limit the participation of other teammates, a play prevalent in ego-gratifying leagues where individual play and superstardom is the measure of success. Sana, such interplay of words I use here is not an ominous foreboding of things to come.

CrossOver
06-05-2009, 12:34 AM
http://www.philstar.com/images/logo_PStar.gif

FIBA uneasy about disunity
By Joaquin Henson
Updated June 05, 2009 12:00 AM

After a long process to gain recognition as the national governing body for basketball, the SBP is back to proving to FIBA that it has the support of the sport’s major stakeholders, downplaying claims by minor players of disunity within the ranks.

FIBA, which has suspended the Philippines thrice for political reasons in the past, recently formed a “special commission” made up of chairman emeritus Borislav Stankovic, former president Carl Men Ky Ching and legal counsel Ken Madsen to look into allegations that the situation in the SBP is unstable.

In a communiqué sent to the SBP from FIBA’s Geneva headquarters, secretary-general Patrick Baumann said the commission is expected to mediate issues of conflict and the terms of its mandate will be announced in the next few weeks.

Baumann referred to a case filed by the BAP against the SBP as jeopardizing the objective of unity and discrediting the efforts of athletes to move the country’s basketball program forward. He also said the commission will look into the compliance of the terms of the Bangkok Agreement which specifies steps in forming a unified association involving legitimate stakeholders.

What was surprising in Baumann’s letter was his pronouncement to reinstate BAP secretary-general Graham Lim as a member of the FIBA Youth Commission “after the special commission successfully completes its mandate.”

Lim is widely known to be behind efforts to discredit the SBP which replaced the BAP as the Philippine Olympic Committee-recognized General Assembly member for basketball two years ago.


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Although it has been stripped of authority, the BAP continues to exist. It has twice failed to bring down the SBP in court. Sources said the BAP frequently bombards the FIBA office with correspondence by e-mail and fax to destroy the SBP’s image. Lim reportedly called Baumann a racist when FIBA withdrew support from the BAP and instead backed the SBP, a move that caused his removal from the Youth Commission.

But sources said Baumann had a change of heart after a recent meeting with Lim and other BAP officials in Hong Kong , brokered by Men Ky Ching and FIBA-Asia secretary-general Dato Yeoh Choo Hock.

Two politicians are backing up Lim – Rep. Luis Villafuerte as BAP chairman and former Rep. Prospero Pichay as BAP president. To prove it isn’t extinct, the BAP is organizing the 7th Asian University Championships in the San Andres complex this weekend. Among the participating teams are Dankook University of Korea, University of Luzon, Universal College and City College of Manila. The tournament is far from being in the same level of competition as the UAAP and NCAA which are affiliated with the SBP.

SBP executive director Noli Eala said yesterday he is not alarmed by FIBA’s formation of a special commission but will seek clarification on its mandate.

“Unfortunately, this problem is attributed to the BAP,” said Eala. “We went through an objective process of deciding which are the legitimate leagues, associations and stakeholders and in the end, we elected a Board after a Unity Congress. It’s a pity that the BAP wouldn’t agree to our call for unity and instead, filed a case in court. The BAP is sowing disunity, not the SBP.”

Eala said with the SBP in control, the country’s basketball program is back on track with a competitive national team leading the charge.

“We would like to resolve our problems internally but if some parties refuse to abide by what is lawful, we won’t back down,” continued Eala. “We won’t be pushed around. We stand by what is right and the sport’s legitimate stakeholders are behind us.”


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Eala said the SBP will hold its National Congress at the Dusit Thani Hotel in Makati on June 10.

“We’ll review our performance during the Congress and take the opportunity to get together with our stakeholders,” said Eala.

Last year, the BAP went to court in an attempt to declare its officers as the SBP’s lawfully elected trustees but was turned down by the Regional Trial Court and later the Court of Appeals. The case is now with the Supreme Court.

The BAP also tried to rename itself the BAP-SBP but the Securities and Exchange Commission refused to allow it in a final and executory judgement.

“We realize FIBA must be aggravated by the BAP’s continuing crusade against the SBP,” said Eala. “Philippine basketball is moving forward with the SBP. We can’t afford to take a step back just to accommodate a renegade group out to destabilize the SBP.”


PhilStar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=474707&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

CrossOver
06-05-2009, 12:38 AM
Lupit talagang manloko nitong Graham Lim nauto na si Patrick Baumann
ano kaya mga kasinungalingan ang pinagsasabi nitong ipis na ito?? ???

pachador
06-05-2009, 05:08 AM
like what i heard he did before sending negative news articles such as Jorge's resignation to FIBA.

concerning jorge's resignation, Eala should stop his habit of being abrupt as that is the equivalent of burning
bridges. SBP is not a corporation where you can fire people just like that because its a federation of organizations which means the SBP leadership must be also good in politics and massaging egos.

on the other hand, the fact that graham has not been deported inspite ofthe supreme court final order
is an indication of how corruptible our officials are. common sensically, graham must have wielded his money power for you know what.






Lupit talagang manloko nitong Graham Lim nauto na si Patrick Baumann
ano kaya mga kasinungalingan ang pinagsasabi nitong ipis na ito?? ???

D_I_A
06-06-2009, 12:42 PM
Down with the BAP!!!

Deport Graham Lim ASAP!!! >:( >:( >:(

Tigercub
06-06-2009, 02:41 PM
keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer :D
hehehe

thadzonline
06-06-2009, 10:35 PM
one of the mods at interbasket closed a thread similar to this kasi nagkainitan si Graham Lim and some other Filipino forumers there

nastrans
06-06-2009, 11:37 PM
Mukhang kampante sila Eala na may full trust na ang FIBA sa kanila kaya secretly nakakagalaw ng reasons si Graham Lim sa FIBA.

D_I_A
06-07-2009, 05:22 PM
one of the mods at interbasket closed a thread similar to this kasi nagkainitan si Graham Lim and some other Filipino forumers there


is it really sure it's graham lim? what if it's just another flamer in those forums.. ???

McCoy
06-08-2009, 11:29 AM
na kay Graham Lim pa rin kasi ang suporta ng FIBA Asia, ano ba naman kasi ang nagawa na nila Eala sa Philippine basketball, as in buong Pilipinas ha! sa Manila lang ata nagpa--function ang SBP eh.
paging mr. MVP tila mali ang pinahawak mo sa SBP, dami mo na atang gastos dyan ah, sayang naman.....

pachador
06-08-2009, 10:45 PM
what triggered the FIBA move to investigate? was it the firing of Jorge by Eala ? tapos ginatungan ni graham ?

McCoy
06-09-2009, 11:41 AM
baka naman may nakitang butas ang FIBA sa nangyaring Bangko agreement. unang-una naroon sa kasunduan na BAP-SBP ang magiging name nito. peo ilan buwan pa lang tinanggal na yun BAP. then unti-unting nawawala yun mga tao ng BAP na usapan ay kasama.

thadzonline
06-09-2009, 12:40 PM
na kay Graham Lim pa rin kasi ang suporta ng FIBA Asia, ano ba naman kasi ang nagawa na nila Eala sa Philippine basketball, as in buong Pilipinas ha! sa Manila lang ata nagpa--function ang SBP eh.
paging mr. MVP tila mali ang pinahawak mo sa SBP, dami mo na atang gastos dyan ah, sayang naman.....


Hindi naman sa walang ginagawa ang SBP in the provinces. Alam mo kung pagsamahin nyo yung gawa ng BAP at gawa ng SBP, it will benefit Philippine basketball more. For the record, may mga ginagawa naman ang SBp in the provinces, yung nga lang kulang pa talaga

amdgc82
06-09-2009, 10:00 PM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20090609spo3.html
GTK props Lim’s Fiba stature vs SBP
By Julius Manicad
06/09/2009

Chinese citizen Graham Lim did not work alone in convincing the Fiba (International Basketball Federation) to put the structure of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) under review, among other things.

Go Teng Kok, the athletics association chief whose name has become synonymous to controvesy, was tagged as the “other brain” behind the campaign to put the SBP in a bad light before the international community, and prompted the Fiba to assemble a special commission that would “seek to unify stakeholders in local basketball.”

According to a reliable source, Go endorsed Lim to ranking Fiba officials, including Fiba honorary president Carl Ching Menky, for an important position.

Go also signed documents in his capacity as president of the disgraced Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP), and arranged the meeting among Menky, Fiba secretary general Patrick Baumann, incumbent BAP president Prospero Pichay and Lim in Hong Kong two months ago reportedly to plan to wrest control of the SBP.

The source reiterated Go called the shots in this latest action and not Lim, the disgraced secretary general of the 70-year-old BAP.

Go confirmed the report, claiming his nearly three decades of friendship with Menky sealed the deal. He also said it may possibly doom the international image of SBP, now headed by Smart/PLDT chairman Manny Pangilinan.

He also admitted to be the chief signatory in all communiqués focused on SBP’s failure to meet the provisions of the Bangkok Agreement, or the pact that merged the two warring cage bodies in 2007 that led to the birth of the SBP.

CrossOver
06-10-2009, 03:02 PM
Pinipilit nila makapasok ulit dahil alam nila na malaki ang nawala sa kanila (kurakot!!!) talagang mga demonyo itong mga taong ito. Pera dahilan kaya nila pinipilit maka-balik mga ipis!

Schortsanitis
06-10-2009, 04:21 PM
'E, ano ba naman ang nagawa ng BAP? Nagpapaliga lang sa Cebu, e, "developmental" na daw.' LOL

'Kaya lang naman nasisilipan ang SBP, dahil sa paninira ng mga intsik tulad ni Carl Menky, Go Chock Teo, Graham Lim at Go Teng Kok. Ewan ko ba kung bakit gustong-gusto ng mga intsik na iyan na sumawsaw sa basketbol.'

Schortsanitis
06-10-2009, 04:30 PM
It was a big shock to see Graham Lim reinstated in the FIBA Youth Commission. With such a boost, expect the BAP to continue to challenge the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP), meaning more turmoil in Philippine basketball.

I kept wondering why the hell would the BAP continue to insist in trying to get back into power, after causing so much trouble to Philippine basketball, and after being rebuffed repeatedly by Mr. FIBA Secretary Patrick Baumann?

‘FIBA-Asia Corrupt Politicians’
It turns out, that Mr. Lim’s return to the graces of FIBA was in no small part due to the support of Mr. CARL MENKY CHING, a former FIBA-Asia Secretary-General from Hong Kong and DATO YEOH CHOO HOCK, the current FIBA-Asia Secretary-General, from Malaysia. Those two clowns helped broker the meeting on behalf of Lim with Mr. Baumann.

With such “friends” in high places, no wonder Mr. Lim was brazen enough to continue to challenge the SBP’s authority.

Now, why would Clown Number One Mr. Monkey …, er, I mean, Mr. “Menky” Ching and Clown Number Two Mr. Choke …, er, I mean, Mr. Choo Hock, be so obliging in terms of helping Mr. Lim? Initially, I thought its because of their common Chinese heritage that caused those two clowns to sympathize with Mr. Lim.

However, we all know that the appointment of Mr. Lim generally would mean a more turbulent political situation as far as the governing bodies of Philippine basketball is concerned. A strenghtened BAP would mean they would be more emboldened to cause trouble for the SBP. The more trouble, means the bigger the possibility of again FIBA banning the Philippines from international competitions.

If not, and the BAP gets back into power, that would still result in bad news for the country, because the BAP had already been in power before, and the way they ran things then was basically just shi….

‘Undermining Philipping Basketball’
I'm beginning to suspect, that Mr. Monkey … er, I mean, Mr. “Menky”, and Mr. Choke …, er, I mean, Mr. “Choo Hock”, probably have more than just racial emphathy in mind in helping Mr. Lim.

Hong Kong and Malaysia have not exactly been what we can consider as basketball powers in the region. Sure, they are generally more progressive than our country, hence probably a lot of pride there, but a PBA All-Star team has, and will continue, to wipe the floor like a rug out of any legitimate national team they can field out there.

Its possible that those two clowns are tired of seeing their National teams of being treated like sh.. on the floor that they thought it would be a good idea if they can also have the opportunity to undermine Philippine basketball if they can. For them, its like hitting two Filipinos with one stone: Help a fellow Chinese, and at the same time cause mayhem in Philippine basketball.

And that is exactly what is happening now. The BAP will continue to challenge the SBP, leading to gad only knows what consequences in the future. And who will benefit from it? As far as South East Asian basketball is concerned, ambitious countries like Hong Kong and Malaysia.

Get the Gorilla out of the room, so to speak, so they will just have to end up dealing with their fellow Smurfs on the hardcourt.

At any rate, having these foreigners interfere with our local basketball affairs is simply unacceptable. With basketball being so popular in our country, FIBA should be treating us like a rare gem, instead of a hockey puck for political manipulation.

amdgc82
06-10-2009, 10:29 PM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20090611spo4.html
Pangilinan slams BAP, Fiba
By Julius Manicad
06/11/2009

He’s simply fed up.

Manny Pangilinan, president of Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP), yesterday expressed dismay over the decision of the International Basketball Federation (Fiba) to create a special commission that will oversee the “ongoing squabble” in local basketball.

Pangilinan’s utter disgust was clearly manifested by his use of strong words during the SBP board meeting yesterday.

“The SBP will not allow itself fall under the jurisdiction of the special commission,” Pangilinan said in a letter addressed to Fiba secretary general Patrick Baumann, the main proponent of the creation of the special commission that was headed by Fiba secretary general emeritus Borislav Stankovic with Fiba honorary president Carl Ching Menky and Fiba legal commission chairman Ken Madsen as members.

Pangilinan also reminded Fiba of its May 13 letter to SBP, in which it stressed that it would no longer recognize the disgraced Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) as the country’s governing body in sport and will disregard all communications from its leaders, especially Graham Lim.

Lim, Pangilinan said, has been very “destructive” in the progress of local basketball as he dragged the country to a sorry 64th place in world ranking under his watch.

Lim, the secretary general of the 70-year-old BAP, is said to be a central figure in the creation of a special commission along with another equally-controversial sports leader, Go Teng Kok, who reportedly sought an audience with Menky and Baumann in Hong Kong two months ago to complain that the Bangkok Agreement was not met.

“(Fiba) has been inconsistent with its letter that validated the procedure SBP went through,” Pangilinan said. “The creation of a special commission has no basis and clearly unnecessary.”

The letter, which was also signed by SBP chairman Oscar Moreno, will be sent on Friday. The Smart-PLDT chairman will also call for a press conference and issue a full-page advertisement in national dailies to condemn Fiba’s move.

SBP executive director Noli Eala added they will exhaust all legal remedies to avoid “being pushed around” in the international community.

“SBP is finally taking a stand, we will not let this thing happen,” Eala said. “This is a blatant act of the BAP to embarrass us internationally.”

CrossOver
06-10-2009, 10:41 PM
Maganda to at least mas nakita natin na hindi lang pala sa local ang problema meron din sa mga miyembro mismo ng FIBA Asia...

Schortsanitis
06-10-2009, 11:19 PM
I think this episode shows how corrupt FIBA has become, where officials who live in authoritarian states and therefore without a free press, and used getting their way like Hong Kong's Carl "Monkey" and Go "Choke-Yourself" end up trying to sabotage Philippine basketball just because they can't beat it on the court.

pachador
06-11-2009, 12:26 AM
can someone send the following philippine basketball forums to FIBA so they will know that Flipino basketball fans are just fed up with BAP ?

http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/bap-is-finally-gone-7032/

http://mypba.com/forum/index.php?s=9ffb10446df6f282b526701cea957453&showforum=89

http://www.gameface.ph/forums/index.php?board=49.0

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394889

D_I_A
06-11-2009, 01:41 AM
can someone send the following philippine basketball forums to FIBA so they will know that Flipino basketball fans are just fed up with BAP ?

http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/bap-is-finally-gone-7032/

http://mypba.com/forum/index.php?s=9ffb10446df6f282b526701cea957453&showforum=89

http://www.gameface.ph/forums/index.php?board=49.0

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394889



i think those like nardy in interbasket could really help

same with sir sabilano!




Down with the BAP!!!

Deport Graham Lim ASAP!!!

Junk all Corrupt Politicians in Philippine Sports

D_I_A
06-12-2009, 03:10 AM
Universal College captures Asian U crown
Manila Standard Today
6/11/2009

UNIVERSAL College of Parañaque pulled off a pulsating 75-73 victory over San Sebastian College-Cavite to rule the 7th Asian University Basketball Championship-Prospero Pichay Cup at the San Andres Sports Complex in Manila.

Universal College got off to a 14-0 start and enjoyed a 43-30 lead at halftime before the SSC-Cavite Baycats stormed back to trail by just two points, 56-54, entering the fourth quarter.

There were four deadlocks in the final 2.5 minutes—66-all, 69-all, 71-all and 73-all—as UC’s Mac Montilla and San Sebastian’s Chris Lucernes exchanged three-point shots.

Jy Ferreria played the hero’s role for UC with a pair of game-winning free throws with 3.9 seconds left.

UC, which upset Korea’s Dankook University, 76-68, in the semifinals, was led by Lester Reyes with 17 points.

Joseph Daniel, Ferreria and Montilla, the tournament’s Most Valuable Player, each contributed 12 in this tournament sanctioned by the Asian University Basketball Federation, in cooperation with the Basketball Association of the Philippines and Federation of School Sports Associations of the Philippines. The official ball is Wilson.

BAP president Prospero Pichay, assisted by BAP vice chairman Tisha Abundo, awarded the championship trophy to Universal College, led by team owner Domingo Tay and head coach Yong Garcia.

Last year, Huaqiao University of China won the sixth edition held in Cebu City after defeating University of Visayas of Cebu.

Junem Gracilla knocked in 27 points for the Baycats, who suffered their first loss in five games. Tom Basa tallied 12 and Joseph Pasagui and Lucernes, a Philippine Basketball League veteran, had 11 apiece.

In the third-place game, Dankook University blasted Polytechnic University of the Philippines, 93-77.

The Koreans got 17 points from Joh Sang Ryul, the tournament’s no. 1 scorer with a 23-point average. Fessap vice president for NCR Abundo, together with San Sebastian College-Cavite president Fr. Emilio Jaruda, awarded the third-placer trophy, led by Dankook team leader’s Jung Sok Oak.
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CrossOver
06-19-2009, 01:37 PM
I think this episode shows how corrupt FIBA has become, where officials who live in authoritarian states and therefore without a free press, and used getting their way like Hong Kong's Carl "Monkey" and Go "Choke-Yourself" end up trying to sabotage Philippine basketball just because they can't beat it on the court.


Maganda ginagawa ng SBP naghihinay-hinay lang if pati ang FIBA Asia officials ay bigla nilang titiradahin ng critics baka mauwi nanaman tayo sa another suspension na malamang planado ng kaalayado ng chinese mafia dito sa Pinas style niyo bulok! One down na (Go Teng Kok) ;D

gameface_one
06-23-2009, 12:42 AM
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL COMMUNITY


The Board of Trustees of Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, Inc. (SBP) wishes to express their gratitude to all of you who have given their support and contributed to the success of the numerous programs which the SBP has put in place to develop Philippine basketball. In the two (2) years since its inception, the SBP's influence, reach and leadership in Philippine basketball have been significant — particularly when viewed from the context of the four (4) decades of existence of its predecessor association, the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP).

Referees Programs
1. Implemented the comprehensive National Referees Development Program (NRDP) which has already benefited more than four hundred (400) arbiters in its first year.
2. Regularly sends Filipino referees to International Referees' Clinics so that there are now eleven (11) Filipino FIBA-licensed International Referees compared with only four (4) when the SBP took over from the BAP, one of whom will officiate in the forthcoming world championships Jr. Men's in New Zealand.
3. Organized and fully-subsidized the series of elite referees' clinics conducted by Mr. Alan Richardson, FIBA International Instructor and Euroleague Supervisor for Referees.
4. Created an Elite Referees Pool whose members are now being used by SBP member leagues.

Coaches Programs
The SBP has implemented the National Coaches Accreditation and Licensing Program (NCALP) which already completed its first task of gathering and identifying over eight hundred (800) coaches
nationwide. Numerous coaching clinics are now being held to standardize our coaching techniques in line with our National Team Program.

Youth and Grassroots Programs
1. Stages various National Championships for different age groups and gender categories including the Philippine Champion's League where over two hundred (200) universities and colleges participated and the forthcoming National Junior Championships for boys and girls.
2. Founded the National Basketball Training Center (NBTC), the elite basketball school for 18 and under boys and girls.
3. Created the SBP 33, inspired by FIBA's 3-on-3 basketball program, to form competitive teams for the Asian Indoor Games, Asian Beach Games, Asian Youth Games and the Youth Olympics.

National Teams
The SBP maintains a robust and aggressive national team program for all age and gender categories. All National Teams are well-funded through the support of SBP sponsors and donors.
1. The SBP has a long-term program for our young Men's National Team with the objective of qualifying for the London Olympics in 2012, and improving our currently low standing in the FIBA world rankings resulting from long years of neglect. To help realize these goals, a Serbian coach, Mr. Rajko Toroman, has been engaged and a comprehensive training program and calendar has been put together which includes so far, tournaments and training camps in Serbia, the United States, Indonesia and Japan.
2. The Philippine National Teams have achieved significant results in the last year by virtue of the SBP programs now in place:
a) 7th place, FIBA Asia Championships for Junior Men in 2008 d) Champion, 1 st China Asean-CBO International Tournament in 2008
b) 2nd place, 1 st Asian Beach Games in Bali 2008 e) 5th place, FIBA Asia Champion's Cup 2009
c) 2nd place, Division II, FIBA Asia Championships for Junior Women in 2008 f) Champion, SEABA 2009 - Qualifier for FIBA Asia Men's Championships in Tianjin, China
3. The SBP National Team Competition's calendar for 2009 has never been more vibrant with our teams qualifying for the FIBA Asia Championship for Women (16 and under), the FIBA Asia Championships for Junior Men and Women, the FIBA Asia Championships for Men, the Asian Youth Games and the Asian Indoor Games (Vietnam).

Membership Program
To date, five (5) new active members have been added to the roster of SBP membership bringing the total number to twenty four (24). Other applications are now being reviewed by the Nomination and Membership Committee for active status. In addition, ten (10) new associate members have been added with provision for future consideration as regular active members. Total membership (active and associate) now stands at forty (40).

WHY DO THE ATTACKS ON THE SBP CONTINUE?
Despite these achievements, it saddens us to note that there are still those who continue to question the legitimacy of the SBP and its current leadership. These individuals, who are still aligned with the BAP, have chosen to disregard the “Tokyo Communiqué” dated 28th August 2006, which led to the formation of the SBP as the country's sole and unified governing body for basketball. They also allege that the SBP has failed to comply with the subsequent “Bangkok Agreement” dated 4th February 2007, which elaborated further the terms of the Tokyo Communiqué. It is apparent that the BAP continues to raise issues and complaints against SBP and its present leadership to the detriment of achieving unity in Philippine Basketball. It is also clearer now that BAP's interpretation of unity means unity on its own terms.

Last May 28, 2009, the SBP received a letter from Mr. Patrick Baumann, FIBA Secretary General, advising the SBP of the creation of a “Special Commission for the Philippines”. The formation of this Special Commission was precipitated by “various correspondences and continuous complaints addressed to the FIBA Secretariat over the past months on the matter related to the institutional legitimacy of the Philippine Basketball Federation and its current leadership.”

WHAT IS THE SBP’S POSITION?
The SBP has decided that it will not submit to the jurisdiction of this Special Commission for the following reasons:
1. Mr. Baumann in his letter dated last year (May 13, 2008) and sent to the SBP clearly and categorically stated that:
(i) FIBA is fully supporting the SBP and its President Manuel V Pangilinan and its Board of Trustees;
(ii) FIBA will disregard any communication coming from the former BAP “as it has no rights with FIBA”; and
(iii) FIBA is dismissing Mr. Graham Lim with immediate effect from his membership in the FIBA Youth Commission, citing his “continuous actions to disrupt the proper functioning of the SBP as “unacceptable”.
2. The Philippine Court of Appeals has already affirmed SBP's compliance with the Bangkok Agreement and the Tokyo Communiqué. The Court's decision confirmed the membership validation process undertaken by the SBP and also sustained the validity of the June 12, 2008 SBP National Congress and the regular election of SBP's trustees and officers held at that meeting.
3. The Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) and the Philippine Sports Commission (PSC) have both recognized the SBP and have effectively and correctly accorded its leadership with full rights as the lawful governing body of basketball in the Philippines.
4. The basis on which the Special Commission was formed rests on complaints and allegations, as mentioned in the Baumann letter of May 28, 2009, made by the BAP that are unverified and biased. That is why the Baumann letter is simply incomprehensible - giving apparent credence to “various correspondences and continuous complaints” without verifying their veracity.

Instead of removing the squeaky and noisy wheels - as Baumann indicated he would in his letter last year to SBP - he has now lubricated them with oil.

WHAT’S NEXT?
We should emphasize that it was the BAP which initiated the judicial action challenging the legitimacy of the June 12, 2008 SBP National Congress and elections. We regard this legal step by the BAP to be significant because it clearly demonstrates its intention and preference to have the matter decided by our Philippine judicial system - and not by any other party, tribunal or commission — foreign or local. Having lost in a forum that they themselves chose, BAP is now shopping for another forum that may be sympathetic to it.

Accordingly, the SBP has to put on record and placed FIBA on notice that it shall not participate in any proceedings which this Special Commission may undertake, unless and until it has become unequivocally clear to SBP what its mandate, jurisdiction and scope of authority really are. More importantly, the BAP legal challenge, after having been rejected by our Court of Appeals, has been elevated by it to our Supreme Court, where it is now under consideration. In that light, the SBP has firmly taken the position that whilst this domestic issue is under judicial review, it should not submit itself to any other legal jurisdiction until the matter has been finally resolved by our legal system. Let Philippine law take its course; let us respect our Courts and not incur their contempt otherwise.

We the members of the SBP call upon all legitimate stakeholders of Philippine Basketball to raise their individual and collective voices and take a unified stand condemning the disruptive actions of the BAP, and protest FIBA's unwarranted intrusion into what must be a purely domestic matter requiring domestic resolution.

Make yourself be heard by sending your comments through sbp.com.ph.

Mabuhay ang Philippine Basketball!


Signed:



Gov. Oscar V. Moreno
Chairman of the Board

Manuel V. Pangilinan
President

Jose Emmanuel M. Eala
Executive Director


Joaquin Trillo
Philippine Basketball Association


Michael Romero
Philippine Basketball League


Anton Montinola
University Athletic Association of the Philippines


Fr. Mateo de Jesus OSB
National College Athletic Association


Reynaldo D. Gamboa
Philippine Collegiate Champions League


Jose Soberano
Pinoy Basketbol Inc.


Daniel Danilo V. Soria
Baguio Benguet Educational Athletic League


Fr. Paul M. De Vera
National College Athletic Association – South


Robert L. Uy
Iloilo Basketball League


Bernardo Gabriel I. Atienza
Cagayan de Oro Basketball Association


Pedro C. Alfaro
El Federacion Basketbolista de Zamboanga


Gerardo P. Sabal III
Cagayan de Oro School Athletic Association


Ernesto Jay G. Adalem
National Athletic Association of Schools, Colleges and University


Raul D. Alcoseba
Visayas Amateur Athletic Association

Don Quijote
06-23-2009, 08:41 AM
I'm supporting the SBP all the way. But I sincerely hope that we do some talking with the FIBA rather that snubbing it. We should have diplomatic approach on this issue.

Out_Of_The_Blue
06-23-2009, 10:00 AM
What's with the BAP really? Why the heck are they so desperate in getting back at the SBP? Is it ego? Is it money? Is it greed?

What have they achieved when they were in power? NADA!!!!

JonarSabilano
06-23-2009, 11:13 AM
Parang walang pirma ng CESAFI rep dito.

u2
06-23-2009, 11:52 AM
Hanggang ngayon pa ba nangungulit pa rin yung mga alipores ni Graham Lim? Ang tagal na nito, hindi na ba sila nagsawa? They should just pipe down, drink tea while eating graham crackers, and accept SBP as it is now.

Bravo SBP! (with matching slow clap)

Bennie Bangag
06-23-2009, 04:41 PM
mukhang mas pinakikinggan ni patrick baumann ang mga sumbong ng BAP tungkol sa SBP kesa sa mga reklamo ng SBP sa BAP. ano nga ba talaga ang usapan nung pinag-isa ang SBP at BAP? sino ba ang may final say talaga sa organisasyong ito? mahirap ang pagsulong ng pambansang basketbol kung parang tug-of-war ang nagaganap sa dalawang ito.

ros
06-23-2009, 11:35 PM
I fully support SBP kasi klarong-klaro naman kung sino talaga ang may magandang intensyon para sa basketball dito sa ating bansa. Ano kayang klaseng usapan ang naganap between BAP and Baumann kasi hindi man lang pinakinggan ang side ng SBP and diretsong gumawa ng special commission and what they're doing is clearly violating what there agreement with the SBP before.

insulares
06-24-2009, 12:16 AM
Eyeball to eyeball with the old boys' club of FIBA World. I like it.

Let's see who blinks first, Baumann.

CrossOver
06-24-2009, 12:35 AM
Marami na ko nabasa about sa galamay ng BAP sa mismong FIBA Asiap sus! hindi na mga tanga mga Pilipino kitang-kita na mismong ibang tauhan ng FIBA Asia sinasabutahe ang Pilipinas!

CrossOver
06-24-2009, 12:40 AM
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SBP addresses FIBA concerns on cage row
Updated June 24, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) has forwarded a 10-page letter to FIBA in response to the International Basketball Federation’s decision to form a special commission to again mediate between the SBP and the Basketball Association of the Philippines.

“The 10-page letter shows how serious this matter is to us. We will not just sit down and wait for something to happen,” said SBP executive director Noli Eala in yesterday’s PSA Forum at Shakey’s on UN Ave.

The SBP also spent money putting up full-page ads in the newspapers yesterday, an open letter to the Philippine basketball community, enumerating the SBP’s immediate plans and programs, and its accomplishments, big or small, in the international arena.

“It saddens us to take note that there are still those who continue to question the legitimacy of the SBP and its current leadership,” the ad stated, referring to the BAP which has yet to give up its claim for power and control of the national basketball scene.

The SBP will hold a press conference today to be presided by its chairman, Manny V. Pangilinan.

“The ads were necessitated by some developments with FIBA, which we have addressed. So, I defer answering questions because the SBP is calling a press conference and Mr. Pangilinan will fully address any concern,” said Eala in the session sponsored by Outlast Battery, Shakey’s, Accel and Pagcor.

“The ads were a result of communications coming from FIBA about creation of a special committee again to supposedly mediate between SBP and BAP. We have responded to these letters. Personally I think what the SBP did was a manifestation and expression of leadership,” said the former PBA commissioner.

He said the SBP is fighting for “our athletes, the young boys and girls who have accepted our programs.”

Eala added that the matter is not a concern of who should govern the sport in the country but a matter of putting a good program in place. He said the SBP has been doing this since its birth.

“Defiant may be a strong word to describe our reaction. As I’ve said, it’s an exercise of leadership,” he added.


PhilStar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=480532&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

CrossOver
06-24-2009, 12:44 AM
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SBP to defend claim as country's legitimate cage body
06/23/2009 | 08:37 PM

MANILA, Philippines – The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) sent a 10-page letter to FIBA in response to the International Basketball Federation’s decision to form a special commission that is supposed to once again mediate between the SBP and its nemesis, the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP).

“The 10-page letter shows how serious this matter is to us. We will not just sit down and wait for something to happen," said SBP executive director Noli Eala.

The SBP also spent some money putting up a full-pages ad in the newspapers Monday, printing an open letter to the Philippine basketball community where it enumerated the SBP’s immediate plans and programs, and its accomplishments, big or small, in the international arena.

“It saddens us to take note that there are still those who continue to question the legitimacy of the SBP and its current leadership," the ad stated, referring to the BAP which has yet to give up its claim for power and control of the national basketball scene.

The SBP will hold a press conference Tuesday where chairman Manny V. Pangilinan is expected to preside over the event.

“The ads were necessitated by some developments with FIBA, which we have addressed. So, I defer answering questions because the SBP is calling a press conference and Mr. Pangilinan will fully address any concern," said Eala.

“The ads today were a result of communications coming from FIBA about creation of a special committee again to supposedly mediate between SBP and BAP. We have responded to these letters. Personally I think what the SBP did was a manifestation and expression of leadership," said the former PBA commissioner.

He said the SBP is fighting for “our athletes, the young boys and girls who have accepted our programs."

Eala added that the matter is not a concern of who should govern the sport in the country but a matter of putting a good program in place. He said the SBP has been doing this since its birth.

“Defiant may be a strong word to describe our reaction. As I've said, it's an exercise of leadership," he added.


GMANews.TV (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/165652/SBP-to-defend-claim-as-countrys-legitimate-cage-body)

CrossOver
06-24-2009, 12:53 AM
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SBP takes action on Fiba’s RP ruling
06/24/2009

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) has forwarded a 10-page letter to Fiba in response to the International Basketball Federation’s decision to form a special commission that is supposed to once again mediate between the SBP and its nemesis, the Basketball Association of the Philippines.

“The 10-page letter shows how serious this matter is to us. We will not just sit down and wait for something to happen,” said SBP executive director Noli Eala in yesterday’s PSA Forum at Shakey’s along United Nations Avenue.

The SBP also spent some money putting up a full-pages ad in the newspapers yesterday, printing an open letter to the Philippine basketball community, enumerating the SBP’s immediate plans and programs, and its accomplishments, big or small, in the international arena.

“It saddens us to take note that there are still those who continue to question the legitimacy of the SBP and its current leadership,” the ad stated, referring to the BAP which has yet to give up its claim for power and control of the national basketball scene.

The SBP will hold a press conference today to be presided by its chairman, Manny V. Pangilinan.

“The ads were necesitated by some developments with Fiba, which we have addressed. So, I defer answering questions because the SBP is calling a press conference and Mr. Pangilinan will fully address any concern,” said Eala in the session sponsored by Outlast Battery, Shakey’s, Accel and the Philippine Amusements and Gaming Corp..

“The ads today were a result of communications coming from Fiba about creation of a special committee again to supposedly mediate between SBP and BAP. We have responded to these letters. Personally I think what the SBP did was a manifestation and expression of leadership,” said the former PBA commissioner.


Tribune.net.ph (http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20090624spo4.html)

digitalsuperman
06-24-2009, 06:21 AM
ang sarap talaga ipa assasinate nyan si graham lim..

Sam Miguel
06-24-2009, 08:39 AM
One thing the SBP might want to do more of is to reach out to all of the various basketball stakeholders in the country. When the BAP unraveled and essentially disintegrated, the SBP stepped in. It seems however that the SBP is making a lot of the same mistakes the old BAP did, not the least of which is there seems to be a contest, some sort of intramurals if you will, as to who has the ears and the trust of Manuel V Pangilinan. Isn't this the same way that illegal alien Graham Lim did business when he was BAP Chief?

For instance, there is a new league called the Universities and Colleges of Luzon Athletic Association or UCLAA, that has one of the most competitive tournaments in the country, taken part in by some of the most well-established programs in the country such as St Francis of Assisi, PCCr and NCBA. Why do they not have a signature in this open letter? They came out openly right from the get-go that they are aligned with the SBP, without asking for anything, and yet they have been left out. Did any SBP Leader even bother to contact them? Could it have something to do with Gigi Prats being a close associate of Nick Jorge's?

Speaking of Nick Jorge, the Nick Jorge issue has not died down either. Jorge is the godfather of youth basketball in the country, and yet some months back he was unceremoniously dismissed as Youth Sector Head. We are talking about a guy who openly challenged Lim and the old BAP even when there was not SBP yet. When Pilipinas Basketball and SBP were just still newly in the works, Pangilinan and company reached out to Jorge and asked that he join them. Then rather suddenly he was removed just like that to give way to Eric Altamirano's NBTC. Do not even ask Jorge what he has to say about the SBP now.

Lim eased out the people he didn't like in the old BAP whether or not they were doing their job. He kept only a close coterie of minions near him. That was arguably one of the biggest issues that did him in. Now it seems the SBP is doing the same.

The true tragedy is that I doubt any of this is being done with the full knowledge and consent of Pangilinan. His ambitious and kowtowing lieutenants must have whispered such and such in his ear. Now the SBP is catching the blame because of what these bootlickers are doing. With sidekicks like these who needs the BAP?

Allow me make it very clear that I am fully in support of the SBP, and that all they have accomplished in such a relatively short time is truly praise worthy. But they have to be more open, more inviting and reach out some more to all basketball stakeholders.

I also believe that they have to give more material support to all the organizations, leagues and tournaments out there, especially those who broke away from BAP spheres of influence such as UCLAA and NAASCU. They need to be in constant dialogue with the likes of the CESAFI, the WNCAA run by Vivian Manila and the NCRAA of Tisha Abundo, because these are all still under BAP influence. Open lines of communication are an absolute must, and there shouldn't be a cordon sanitaire around the one and only true MVP.

Joescoundrel
06-24-2009, 08:49 AM
^ With due respect to my boss Sam Miguel...

This is not about reaching out to stakeholders or even issues like who has the ear of MVP. As important as all of that is, the issue is simply WHO IS THE LEGITIMATE BASKETBALL FEDERATION FOR THE PHILIPPINES.

The simply answer to that, coming from FIBA itself is SAMAHANG BASKETBOL NG PILIPINAS.

All of the other issues mentioned above are important to be sure, and they might indeed lead some to think that SBP is turning into BAP. That however remains purely speculative. The most important issue confronting all of us in Philippine basketball is who has the legitimacy. And in accordance with the Tokyo and Bangkok Agreements that is none other than SBP.

It is as simple as that.

bchoter
06-24-2009, 12:37 PM
^ On the other hand, reaching out as Sam, aka the man with a nice name, mentioned, would have made it it more difficult for the BAP to look for any form of legitemacy. We know that Baumman is not one who will look at issues as either right or wrong. We also know that he looks lightly at Lim's wrongdoings while playing up whatever perceived shortcomings of the SBP. By alienating those who are "not with them", SBP is making it easier for Lim to find fault and raise issues to FIBA.

LION
06-24-2009, 05:22 PM
SBP's problem is that MVP's own people are too arrogant and have alienated almost everyone outside their circle. Naturally, those who are outside the circle will resent the status quo and will rise up in arms against the SBP.

oca
06-24-2009, 05:41 PM
SBP's problem is that MVP's own people are too arrogant and have alienated almost everyone outside their circle. Naturally, those who are outside the circle will resent the status quo and will rise up in arms against the SBP.






Parang hindi SBP ang tinutukoy ni LION, ah. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

On topic, now....

Just as the BAP lost its credibility with the mediocre performance of the National Teams in Int'l competitions during its time, the SBP will overcome all this with a credible finish by the current national teams, with emphasis on the SMART-Gilas team.

That may be oversimplifying the problem, but there must be a basis for one to raise whatever issue.

Ano nga ba yung sabi nila, "How do your argue with success?".

tapal_king18
06-24-2009, 05:56 PM
SBP's problem is that MVP's own people are too arrogant and have alienated almost everyone outside their circle. Naturally, those who are outside the circle will resent the status quo and will rise up in arms against the SBP.







- MEMBER NG BAP ITONG NAG-POST! VERY QUESTIONABLE COMMENT! HE! HE!

oca
06-24-2009, 06:03 PM
SBP's problem is that MVP's own people are too arrogant and have alienated almost everyone outside their circle. Naturally, those who are outside the circle will resent the status quo and will rise up in arms against the SBP.







- MEMBER NG BAP ITONG NAG-POST! VERY QUESTIONABLE COMMENT! HE! HE!


You obviously do not know who made the post.

Newbie, maliit lang itong communidad ng gameface kaya walang dahilan para punahin ang may akda. Kung di rin lang tungkol sa isyu mismo ang isusulat mo, mag-isip ka nang ibang magagawa.

tapal_king18
06-24-2009, 06:17 PM
Newbie, maliit lang itong communidad ng gameface kaya walang dahilan para punahin ang may akda. Kung di rin lang tungkol sa isyu mismo ang isusulat mo, mag-isip ka nang ibang magagawa.
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pasensiya na po sa comment ko kay lion at sa inyo din kuya oca. mental lapses lang po. he! he! gusto ko lang po matuloy iyong laban natin sa fiba asia para may mag-qualify sa world basketball championship. baka kasi ma-suspend na naman tayo sa dispute na ito. puwede po ba malaman bakit nasa rank 65 tayo sa fiba ranking at mas mataas pa ang malaysia?

oca
06-24-2009, 06:26 PM
Newbie, maliit lang itong communidad ng gameface kaya walang dahilan para punahin ang may akda. Kung di rin lang tungkol sa isyu mismo ang isusulat mo, mag-isip ka nang ibang magagawa.


pasensiya na po sa comment ko kay lion at sa inyo din kuya oca. mental lapses lang po. he! he! gusto ko lang po matuloy iyong laban natin sa fiba asia para may mag-qualify sa world basketball championship. baka kasi ma-suspend na naman tayo sa dispute na ito. puwede po ba malaman bakit nasa rank 65 tayo sa fiba ranking at mas mataas pa ang malaysia?
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OT na tayo pag pinaunlakan ko ang tanong mo... hanap tayo ng ibang hibla....

AnthonyServinio
06-24-2009, 09:26 PM
SUPPORT PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL!


SBP ON FACEBOOK (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=60032313382)

CrossOver
06-25-2009, 12:38 AM
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Did they follow Bangkok Agreement?', BAP's Lim asks SBP
06/24/2009 | 10:14 PM

MANILA, Philippines – “Don’t blame me." This was the message by beleaguered basketball official Graham Lim to the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) officials.

SBP is pinning Lim as the one who paved the way for the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) to create a special commission tasked to “mediate and seek a solution" on the ongoing conflict between the country’s two basketball parties.

“Huwag ako ang sisihin nila," said Lim. “Bakit sila natatakot humarap sa special committee ng FIBA? Kung wala silang violation na ginawa, dapat hindi sila matakot. Leave it all up to FIBA," Lim said.

Owing to letters and complaints FIBA had received from BAP officials in the past, the world basketball body decided to form a three-man special committee to investigate the issues being raised against SBP.

FIBA secretary general emeritus Borislav Stankovic heads the commission, which also has for its members FIBA honorary president Carl Men Ky Ching and FIBA legal commission’s Ken Madsen.

The group already set a July 20-22 meeting in Geneva with SBP in an effort to sort out the controversy.

But Pangilinan and the rest of the SBP officials had put it on record that they won’t attend the event, convinced that they won’t get a fair treatment from a committee which has for members people with known affiliations to Lim.

SBP vice-president Ricky Vargas even insinuated that it doesn’t make sense attending the meeting since the association itself isn’t aware of any wrong doing it committed.

Lim was gracious enough to point it out it to them. “Nasunod ba ‘yung nakasaad doon sa Bangkok Agreement? Kung tama lahat ang ginawa ng SBP, then they don’t need to worry."

The Bangkok Agreement was the pact that paved the way for the merging of the BAP and SBP two years ago.


GMANews.TV (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/165768/Did-they-follow-Bangkok-Agreement-BAPs-Lim-asks-SBP)

mami_noodles
06-25-2009, 01:06 AM
Stand up against the old snakes of the BAP and their allies in FIBA!

Support the SBP!

nardy
06-25-2009, 03:34 AM
Maybe it's time for the silent majority of Filipino Basketball Fans to finally speak out and show their displeasure to the BAP and it's leaders. How about rallies or a sit-down protest in from of the residence or offices of Graham Lim, Go Teng Kok, Butch Pichay and Luis Villafuerte. Or let's flood their email or cellphone by sending our message of disgust on their effort to destroy Philippine Basketball.

Even though we want to be civil about the matter, we must not suffer alone without the rest of the world knowing what is really happening.

Maybe we can appeal to the Basketball Federations of all the leading basketball nations of the world not allow the FIBA to kill Philippine Basketball. We should share to these countries the facts of the matter.

http://www.fibaamericas.com/consejo_us.asp

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_np,7Sp...9R33dW8-3.html

http://www.fiba-afrique.org/en/zone_fr_1.php

http://www.fibaoceania.com/index.php?id=16

http://www.fibaasia.net/cms/info.php?itemid=6

digitalsuperman
06-25-2009, 07:44 AM
sana naman hindi tayo ma suspend na naman. andami nang pera at sakripisyo ang nabuwis.sayang na sayang talaga. sino ba ang may email kay patrick bauman? babahain natin ang email nya.... ang lakas nang loob talaga nang bap na yan...

2sc1
06-25-2009, 08:22 AM
sana naman hindi tayo ma suspend na naman. andami nang pera at sakripisyo ang nabuwis.sayang na sayang talaga. sino ba ang may email kay patrick bauman? babahain natin ang email nya.... ang lakas nang loob talaga nang bap na yan...


http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/FIBA/fibaStaff/fibaStaff2.asp - FIBA Administration

LION
06-25-2009, 08:41 AM
SBP's problem is that MVP's own people are too arrogant and have alienated almost everyone outside their circle. Naturally, those who are outside the circle will resent the status quo and will rise up in arms against the SBP.




- MEMBER NG BAP ITONG NAG-POST! VERY QUESTIONABLE COMMENT! HE! HE!


You obviously do not know who made the post.

Newbie, maliit lang itong communidad ng gameface kaya walang dahilan para punahin ang may akda. Kung di rin lang tungkol sa isyu mismo ang isusulat mo, mag-isip ka nang ibang magagawa.


Thanks, oca, for pointing that out to tapal king.

Lest I be misinterpreted, I am not pro BAP and I was one of the many who celebrated when this organization was replaced by SBP. BAP's incompetence and mismanagement of amateur basketball in the past resulted in the steady decline of amateur basketball in the country. I am a supporter of the SBP and I am not certainly a member of BAP as alleged by tapal king. :)

My earlier post was prompted by the way some of MVP's boys have alienated people outside SBP. MVP's boys should build consensus as much as possible.

Bchoter described it best - "By alienating those who are "not with them", SBP is making it easier for Lim to find fault and raise issues to FIBA". And that's exactly my point.

nuss
06-25-2009, 08:42 AM
to the proactive people here, get back to me when you have already emailed baumann or sat in front of graham lim's garage. :D

gameface_one
06-25-2009, 09:15 AM
sana naman hindi tayo ma suspend na naman. andami nang pera at sakripisyo ang nabuwis.sayang na sayang talaga. sino ba ang may email kay patrick bauman? babahain natin ang email nya.... ang lakas nang loob talaga nang bap na yan...



Here is Patrick Baumann's email: baumann@fiba.com

Our Gameface President and CEO incidentally sent an email to Patrick Baumann yesterday expressing his disgusted views about what's happening. He gave a link to the Media Forums of Gameface for Patrick Baumann to read for himself the utter feeling of the Philippine Basketball Fans about this issue.

Let's take a stand and say NEVER AGAIN!

Send Mr. Baumann your emails. If you do, kindly cc us at gameface_one@gameface.ph

Joescoundrel
06-25-2009, 09:23 AM
Righteous indignation.

Show of force.

This should best describe the atmosphere at the PLDT mezzanine Conference Room in Makati yesterday morning. Representatives of all the various leaderships and stakeholders of Philippine basketball joined together to denounce this latest FIBA action that could jeopardize Philippine participation in international basketball anew.

SBP President and PLDT Chief Manuel V Pangilinan was unabashed in showing what could only be described as disgust at the recent turn of events brought about by the letter of FIBA to the SBP.

In that letter, FIBA summoned the SBP to a meeting in Geneva, Switzerland from the 20th to the 22nd of July 2009, ostensibly in order to work out the "issues" troubling Philippine basketball. This letter dated 20 June 2009 was signed by Borislav Stancovic, designated as Chairman of the Special Committee for the Philippines. This same letter was addressed to Mr Oscar Moreno as SBP Chair and Mr Pangilinan as SBP President. It was also addressed to Mr Luis Villafuerte as BAP-SBP Chair and Mr Prospero Pitchay (sic) as BAP-SBP President.

"Binabastos na nila ang SBP, at binabastos na nila ang lahat ng Pilipino," lamented Pangilinan. "We have been to Geneva many times when we were still forming the SBP, and we complied with everything FIBA asked us to do, then now we have this!" he fumed.

As explained further by SBP Executive Director Noli Eala, the SBP is puzzled as to why the allegations made by Graham Lim, Go Teng Kok and the old BAP were even given any credence. This is in light of the fact that as of last year, the FIBA itself gave the SBP its full recognition, and even stated further that they would no longer be recognizing the old BAP. "Their own letter dated 13 May 2008 unequivocally stated that 'FIBA will disregard any communication coming from the former BAP as it has no rights with the FIBA', and yet we are being summoned now because of allegations raised by Graham Lim," explained Eala.

Pangilinan and the entire SBP organization said bluntly, "We will not go to Geneva. We will not answer that summons. That is tantamount to a hanging jury," Pangilinan said. "How can we go there when the motive is so clear just by looking at the dates. They are trying to force us into agreeing to what they want with the threat of a possible suspension of the RP Team from the August 6 FIBA Asia tournament in China, and that would be a gross unjustice," he added. Pangilinan further stressed that in order for there to be no doubt as to the motives of the FIBA then the Philippines should be summoned after August 6.

Eala echoed Pangilinan's sentiments. "Sa salita natin dito, masasabi nating lutong Macao na kung pupunta tayo sa Geneva sa July," he said. "Tapos kung titignan natin ang composition ng Special Committee ni Boris Stancovic nandun si Karl Men Ky Ching, na siyang matalik na barkada ni Graham Lim. How can we expect a fair shake?" he added further. Lim was also suspended from the FIBA Youth Commission due to his "continuous actions to disrupt the proper functioning of BAP-SBP". Lim apparently got this old job back for reasons still unknown.

Pangilinan still had a sense of humor though. "Sabi ko nga dito kay Mikee (Romero) malamang after this aayawan mo na 'yung Cycling natin," he said with a laugh. Romero, Chairman of the PBL, was seated right next to Pangilinan, and was being asked by the Philippine Sports Commission to be the Chief of the Cycling NSA in the country.

"Grabe itong ginawa ng FIBA, at hindi tayo dapat magpaduro," Romero said during a side interview. "Tama si Joaqui Trillo (Trillo was there as a representative of the PBA), we have to take a stand and get mad," he added. "Katabi ko nga sa harap si MVP, noon ko lang siyang nakitang magalit, nararamdaman ko galit niya, parang may pwersa na tumutulak sa silya," he further added in jest.

Joescoundrel
06-25-2009, 09:42 AM
MVP has a secret weapon in his arsenal that he should use in this particular fight: Dr Jay Adalem, SBP Treasurer and NAASCU President. Adalem knows how Graham Lim works, and if any one can tell MVP how to deal with Lim, it would be Adalem. Noli Eala and Pato Gregorio might know how to play the game of realpolitik, but FIBA realpolitik is an altogether different proposition, and no one knows that seedy underworld better than Dr Jay.

And should the good doctor really be able to help, I am sure the SBP can foot the bill for television coverage for the opening day of NAASCU on July 18, as well as its Final 4 and Finals sometime in October. Admittedly I have a vested interest here: I want to get back on the TV Panel... ;D

birdman33
06-25-2009, 10:13 AM
Good luck to the SBP. Keep the faith. There is nothing wrong with responding to FIBA out of courtesy. In the response though they cannot waiver in their position and must retain their stand that they are the legitimate authority on basketball in the country. They cannot submit to the special commission as that would be inconsistent with this position.

Hope all turns out well.

nash_bedista
06-25-2009, 10:45 AM
OT - Sir ask ko lng, kla ko na deport na etong Graham Lim?

on-topic: I Still support SBP, BAP s*cks! :D

irishwhip
06-25-2009, 11:42 AM
I support SBP. The organization had done A LOT especially for the youth. Malinaw na malinaw na malayo ang nagawa ng SBP sa young existence nito compared sa BAP which was being run by politicking government officials.

Ang hindi ko lang nagustuhan sa SBP was when inalis nila si coach Nick Jorge sa group. Tama yung nag-comment earlier in this thread that coach Nick is the "godfather" of youth basketball in the Philippines. Dapat hindi inalis siya sa group and made him consultant of youth programs. Wala naman problema kung iba coach (eric altamirano) ang maghandle ng teaching pero dapat si coach Nick pa din ang ginawang head. Kung sakali man hindi si coach nick, dapat si coach Ato Badolato ang ginawang in-charge sa youth. Track record--wise unang una pa din si ato sa mga wins kapag GS at HS basketball ang pinaguusapan.

Problema rin kasi dito sa Pinas ang coaches may kanya-kanya din grupo...dapat kapag "RP basketball" ang pinag-uusapang dapat willing ka makiisa kahit na sa mortal mong rival na coach. Tama na din politika sa mga "gruphuhan" ng coaches ...para din sa pinas yan.

SBP pa riN! BAP s*cks!

digitalsuperman
06-25-2009, 11:57 AM
i hope bauman can read our sentiments here at gameface... down with BAP and Graham Lim!

Schortsanitis
06-25-2009, 12:17 PM
I just sent Mr. Baumann a strong letter of how I feel they are disrespecting Philippine basketball, though I forgot to cc gameface one ..... LOL

gameface_one
06-25-2009, 12:23 PM
^^^^ Forward it to me Schort.

Swak
06-25-2009, 01:18 PM
Here is Bahoman este Baumman's cell no. Got this from FIBA: +41795422950. Let's flood him with text messages.

To Bahoman: don't dare us make this an international issue with your integrity on the line!

CrossOver
06-25-2009, 01:23 PM
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SBP draws support from many Filipino, FIBA should stop transacting with BAP
By Hector Santos
Jun 24, 2009

Recent report that FIBA will again form a task force to investigate the SBP vs BAP disagreement again made many Filipino basketball hardcore fans angry. As per various websites, forums, blogs etc. many Filipino condemn this move by FIBA due to the real fact that SBP under President Manny V. Pangilinan is doing excellent job in uplifting anew the status of Philippine Basketball.

Many Filipino also hate the BAP topman, Graham Lim, who is a Chinese national, to be involved again in Philippine basketball. History will tell that during the reign of Lim the Philippines suffered its worst status in basketball. BAP sending rag tag team instead of the best, no clear grass root development, no clear policy in developing its national team etc. etc are just among the few reasons why many Filipino hate this involvement again by BAP.

One thing is clear for the said many Filipino, Philippine basketball should be led by a Pinoy servant not a Chinese ruler!

See below link for the petition of many Filipino supporting the one and only basketball governing body in the Philippines.. and that is the Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas (SBP):

Interbasket.net (http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/calling-all-filipino-forumers-9972/#post)


Asia-Basket.com/Philippines (http://www.asia-basket.com/Philippines/basketball.asp?NewsID=163050)

Don Quijote
06-25-2009, 01:57 PM
Di niyo ba guys napapansin na inaanay na ng intsik ang FIBA? Particularly FIBA-ASIA? Tapos puro intsik pa taga BAP? Eh mga front yata ng mga TRIAD itong mga ito eh.

Kung mapapansin niyo ang Taiwan nabibiyaan ng slot ng kawala-walang gatol kesyo kapalit daw ng Bharain. Pero bago pa nagpull out ang Bharain nagpahayag ang FIBA-Asia president na magdadagdag daw sila ng slot para sa Taiwan samantalang nung Philippines ang nagrerequest sa kanila nuong 2005 eh di mang lang nila pinapansin.

I am nothing against Chinese people wag lang nila pakialaman ang para sa mga Filipino!

insulares
06-25-2009, 03:10 PM
Kudos to the courage and professionalism of Mr. Manny V. Pangilinan and the rest of the SBP Board. God bless you all for fighting the good fight, for standing up for ideals and principles in the face of FIBA's invasion of domestic federation affairs.

FIBA's move to create this so-called "special commission" in the guise of "advancing the interest of Philippine basketball" deserves our disgust and absolute condemnation. It is indeed an insult to basketball-loving Filipinos. The SBP is correct in asserting its sovereign position, and FIBA is way out of line in using the implicit threat of another suspension to attempt to railroad our federation leaders to attend a meeting with no clear guidelines.

I fully support the SBP in good times and in bad. Let the chips fall where they may...if we taste the bitter ashes of suspension once again, so be it. I'm sure it will not be the end of the line but rather the start of a much bigger fight.

To Graham Lim, Go Teng Kok, Dato Yeoh, Carl MenKy Ching, Pichay, Villafuerte, and the rest of the BAP and their corrupt cronies at FIBA-Asia and FIBA World, congratulations on your efforts to undermine the Philippines' legitimate basketball federation. Just remember that what goes around comes around.

You've succeeded in making basketball-loving Filipinos express their righteous anger. But some people who get mad can also get even. Eventually, you losers will sow what you reap, so in the meantime, f*** you motherf***ers!

CrossOver
06-25-2009, 03:24 PM
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BAP haunting basketball again
By DING MARCELO
June 24, 2009, 7:28pm

Just when you thought the BAP is long dead and buried, this discredited sports association, known to have given Philippine basketball some of its darkest moments, is back, here to haunt the Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas, like a ghost from a bad horror movie.

And as in a bad horror movie, this ghost has no saving grace. Its entire history is dark. It victimized basketball fans, stole their dreams, embarrassed the country, and went bankrupt.

There are enough depressing things going on in the sports community, but nothing is sadder or more infuriating than getting news that the BAP is alive and, once again, working to spread the poisons of disunity, selfishness, and greed.

What baffled us even more is why the FIBA has given this unlamented group the time of day. With FIBA in the thick of the BAP’s reorganization many years ago and with FIBA totally updated on the abuse of its former fake leaders, why would the international basketball federation give due course to a complaint which is accurately described as a rehash of the old one?

Why? The answer is: we don’t know.

It can’t be because the SBP has been remiss in its mandate. The SBP has, in fact, successfully welded the various legitimate stakeholders in its fold, save one or two, like Nic Jorge.

The SBP has also, in fact, been putting Philippine basketball slowly back on track, picking up the wreck that basketball has been after years of mismanagement. Moreover, there is money in the coffers, not in the pockets of the usual suspects.

Even more amazing, there is a good program conceived by a leadership with no agenda except to bring glory back to Philippine basketball.

But now, a year later, the BAP is suddenly back in the news, and it is propped up by the very same FIBA hierarchy that in the not so distant past was witness to the recklessness of a BAP leadership that looked more like a gang than a sports association.

It was FIBA itself that moved to decapitate BAP. But it seems that the decapitation was not complete. Although FIBA appeared to have cut up BAP to pieces, FIBA is now looking at BAP’s dismembered parts resurrecting themselves and rejoining to become an entire piece with the power to menace the existing order. But strangest of all, FIBA is helping to get BAP on its feet!

Is there something we don’t know? Is there something special between the FIBA and the BAP? Or is it better that we don’t know?

Anyway, like cancer, the BAP just won’t go away. Like the indestructible cyborg in the Terminator movie series, it keeps resurrecting itself after every termination.

What can I say? This is really an imperfect world. Bad guys can win.


MB (http://mb.com.ph/node/204085)

donmar
06-25-2009, 03:37 PM
Hi guys,

First time here.. I started a group in Interbasket and is working on a petition... someone from here wants to link you guys with us... I'm working on creating a page where members from different forums can join...

Hopefully, you guys keen to join this fight...

Below is just the Interbasket group...

http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/calling-all-filipino-forumers-9972/

We have a Facebook group too: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=121031822106

Cheers!

gameface_one
06-25-2009, 03:43 PM
^^^ Hi donmar. Welcome to Gameface! As I mentioned in your site, we are one with you in this crusade and there are a lot of areas of synergy our groups can look into to further promote the cause. Tell us further on how you want to move forward. We can also meet up if you want to align your plans with our plans.

Thanks and welcome again.

donmar
06-25-2009, 03:53 PM
^^^ Hi donmar. Welcome to Gameface! As I mentioned in your site, we are one with you in this crusade and there are a lot of areas of synergy our groups can look into to further promote the cause. Tell us further on how you want to move forward. We can also meet up if you want to align your plans with our plans.

Thanks and welcome again.


The plan is to start a group, where members from different forums will join... I'm working on that at the moment... the main group page should be available by tomorrow...

Another is to start a petition, I'm drafting it at the moment, and once the group started, I'll ask everyone if they're fine with the one I drafted or they want to add more...

Once the petition is done... everyone will spread the link everywhere to our blogs and forums, social networks and other groups... the aim is to get at least 1,000,000 signatures and possibly, 5,000,000 the most... it might be a huge target but we want to show FIBA we are serious... once we reach the target... we'll send a letter plus the list of signatures to FIBA and all friendly basketball federations around the world... I plan to send it both a hard copy and through e-mail as well...

This just the beginning... hopefully we'll get enough signatures..

gameface_one
06-25-2009, 04:04 PM
^^^ Hi donmar. Welcome to Gameface! As I mentioned in your site, we are one with you in this crusade and there are a lot of areas of synergy our groups can look into to further promote the cause. Tell us further on how you want to move forward. We can also meet up if you want to align your plans with our plans.

Thanks and welcome again.


The plan is to start a group, where members from different forums will join... I'm working on that at the moment... the main group page should be available by tomorrow...

Another is to start a petition, I'm drafting it at the moment, and once the group started, I'll ask everyone if they're fine with the one I drafted or they want to add more...

Once the petition is done... everyone will spread the link everywhere to our blogs and forums, social networks and other groups... the aim is to get at least 1,000,000 signatures and possibly, 5,000,000 the most... it might be a huge target but we want to show FIBA we are serious... once we reach the target... we'll send a letter plus the list of signatures to FIBA and all friendly basketball federations around the world... I plan to send it both a hard copy and through e-mail as well...

This just the beginning... hopefully we'll get enough signatures..






Ok, there was already a petition online started by Jonar Sabilano. Is this the same? Can't we integrate them into one instead?

donmar
06-25-2009, 04:11 PM
^^^ Hi donmar. Welcome to Gameface! As I mentioned in your site, we are one with you in this crusade and there are a lot of areas of synergy our groups can look into to further promote the cause. Tell us further on how you want to move forward. We can also meet up if you want to align your plans with our plans.

Thanks and welcome again.


The plan is to start a group, where members from different forums will join... I'm working on that at the moment... the main group page should be available by tomorrow...

Another is to start a petition, I'm drafting it at the moment, and once the group started, I'll ask everyone if they're fine with the one I drafted or they want to add more...

Once the petition is done... everyone will spread the link everywhere to our blogs and forums, social networks and other groups... the aim is to get at least 1,000,000 signatures and possibly, 5,000,000 the most... it might be a huge target but we want to show FIBA we are serious... once we reach the target... we'll send a letter plus the list of signatures to FIBA and all friendly basketball federations around the world... I plan to send it both a hard copy and through e-mail as well...

This just the beginning... hopefully we'll get enough signatures..






Ok, there was already a petition online started by Jonar Sabilano. Is this the same? Can't we integrate them into one instead?



Is it this one?... http://www.petitiononline.com/stopBAP/petition.html ... the new one will be address towards FIBA... and the petition will be based on the "Stop BAP Petition" (http://www.petitiononline.com/stopBAP/petition.html) and the "SBP Open Letter"...

JonarSabilano
06-25-2009, 04:22 PM
Donmar,

Great to see you here.

Yes, the stopBAP petition was started by myself. Perhaps we can merge the signatures from that one to the one you've just started. We just have to clean up the signatures from the stopBAP petition, though.

donmar
06-25-2009, 04:28 PM
Donmar,

Great to see you here.

Yes, the stopBAP petition was started by myself. Perhaps we can merge the signatures from that one to the one you've just started. We just have to clean up the signatures from the stopBAP petition, though.


Yeah we can do that... the new petition is not finish yet by the way...

insulares
06-25-2009, 04:41 PM
Just sent a terse email to Baumann/FIBA and cc'd Gameface. However, the mailer demon gave back a message that the Gameface mailbox is full. Well, I take this as a positive sign that everyone's taking this FIBA/BAP issue very seriously and has started practicing their literary skills.

More power to you petition-makers. Keep up the good work. Mabuhay kayo at siguradong maraming susuporta diyan! 'Wag tayo paduduro sa mga sira-ulong BAP at sa mga ulupong nila sa FIBA...

gameface_one
06-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Just sent a terse email to Baumann/FIBA and cc'd Gameface. However, the mailer demon gave back a message that the Gameface mailbox is full. Well, I take this as a positive sign that everyone's taking this FIBA/BAP issue very seriously and has started practicing their literary skills.

More power to you petition-makers. Keep up the good work. Mabuhay kayo at siguradong maraming susuporta diyan! 'Wag tayo paduduro sa mga sira-ulong BAP at sa mga ulupong nila sa FIBA...



We got your email. Just to make sure. cc our President at henryabes@yahoo.com. Thanks.

gameface_one
06-25-2009, 05:19 PM
We are collating all of these emails for a compilation to be sent by SBP and other stakeholders to FIBA.

donmar
06-25-2009, 05:27 PM
OK guys... I'll do that...

I'm almost done with the group page... hopefully once its finish both posters from IBN and GameFace will join... we'll move all the discussions there... I'm sure some of you are familiar with the Pinoy posters in IBN...

oca
06-25-2009, 05:38 PM
Not until I read the press release of the SBP did I realize na sinister nga yung pagpapatawag ng FIBA sa SBP. I am not saying this base on the press release of the SBP per se, but solely on two factual details it brought to fore:

1. The SBP was summoned to a meeting at Geneva on July 20- 22.
2. The FIBA-Asia is to be held on Aug 6 – 16.

Bakit kailangan mag-meeting sa July bago ang FIBA-Asia?

Logic dictates every NSA will be very busy preparing for the FIBA-Asia. Nariyan ang sasali ang NT sa ilang tune-up tournaments and friendlies. Logistics will have to be taken cared of. Documents of every member of the delegation will have to put in order.

Bakit kailangan abalahin ang SBP officials a mere 2 weeks before a big event?

Malinaw na gagawing leverage kontra SBP ang participation ng National Team sa FIBA-Asia.

We summoned you. Attend or else!, yan ang dating ng summon ng FIBA.

Kaso, pinatulan ng SBP yung “or else”.

Pag hindi dumating sa Geneva ang SBP on July20, I wonder now if FIBA rules allow them to take action against Philippine participation in the FIBA-Asia on Aug 6. If we take into account due process, is there enough time to summon the FIBA Board to take action on SBP’s non-appearance on July 20?

Akala siguro ng BAP at mga kasangga nito sa FIBA ay manginginig ang SBP at magkakandarapa itong lumipad patungong Geneva.Intsik kasi itong may pasimuno ng ng sigalot na ito. Kung alam nila ang Filipino psyche, on the part of MVP et al, this is not about the SBP anymore. Hindi na ito basketball.

They have questioned the character and integrity of the people at the helm of the SBP.

MVP et al has every right to take up the challenge and defend themselves. But apparently they will confront it at a different arena and not let themselves be caught in an ambush.

Yun nga lang, basketball na naman ang talo dito. Philippine basketball to be precise.

donmar
06-25-2009, 07:26 PM
Hi guys,

I've just finish working on the group page... here's the link: http://interbasketphilippines.ning.com/

I hope you guys join this group and spread the link... get as many members as we can... its where we could link up all Filipino forumers from different forums...

By the way, I want you guys to nominate someone here to be one of the admins of this new group... GameFace is one of the main group.... cheers

Sam Miguel
06-25-2009, 07:40 PM
I still hope that in this intense anti-BAP fervor that the SBP will still extend its hand to ALL stakeholders in Philippine basketball. Lion and Bchoter nailed the proverbial nail square on the head: the shortcomings / failings of SBP, especially with regard to the cordon sanitaire around MVP, are precisely the reason why the old BAP still has a lot of ammunition to use.

The entire Gameface family celebrated when the old BAP went down. We were there when the SBP was first formed. We covered the proceedings and rejoiced when Patrick Baumann himself came to the Dusit Hotel in Makati almost two years ago to announce that the Philippines was back on track with international basketball. We cried with a unified "Amen" when the letters from FIBA itself fully recognizing SBP and essentially putting the old BAP in its place were published.

Since then I personally do not know what has become of such a good start. If MVP's boys are truly looking out for their boss, the SBP and Philippine Basketball in general, how did Graham Lim ever pull such a fast one on us? Where were all of these "bright boys" and what were they doing all this time when they should have been our over-watch? Was no one liaising regularly with FIBA that we should get ambushed this way? Knowing that we were dealing with the devil incarnate, why was no one keeping any tabs on Graham Lim and his Mob? This is poor intel all the way.

If the SBP people working for MVP were working for PLDT they would've been fired outright for this kind of bad intel. It is as if all of your vice presidents and general managers were all out playing golf, going on junkets, having power lunches, doing media events and launches, all the while Globe and Sun were already merging and then announced that they would offer free text messaging and reducing call rates to 10-centavos per minute.

This time around it isn't just individual careers on the line. It is ALL of Philippine basketball.

tamagurl87
06-25-2009, 08:05 PM
hi guyz, pls pls post the link of the petition...
the one that has .ning in it...
im lost in the pacing

more power to the petitioners

tapal_king18
06-25-2009, 10:20 PM
hi guyz, pls pls post the link of the petition...
the one that has .ning in it...
im lost in the pacing

more power to the petitioners


can we have a gathering like the anti-chacha protest?

donmar
06-25-2009, 10:29 PM
hi guyz, pls pls post the link of the petition...
the one that has .ning in it...
im lost in the pacing

more power to the petitioners


can we have a gathering like the anti-chacha protest?


I hope you guys in Manila get to organize that... hopefully you guys get media coverage... people in FIBA and the international basketball community needs to hear our voice...

gameface_one
06-25-2009, 10:37 PM
^^^FIBA is lurking at gameface as we speak. Even SBP officials are closely monitoring this forum.

pachador
06-25-2009, 10:44 PM
A taste of things to come
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3011/edsashrine022506copy.jpg

pachador
06-25-2009, 10:50 PM
Guys,

1.) the letter that SBP sent to FIBA must be sent to all the FIBA top honchos because if only one letter was sent then whoever received the letter might just be sitting on it in which case when the FIBA honchos meet and discuss the SBP_BAP issue, the FIBA guys will only see the "verbal" side of BAP.

2.) Businessmen, Congressmen, and senators and other influential people should be approached on this issue and asked to exert pressure or strong-arm behind the scenes.

3.) Talk host shows or investigative radio or TV shows should be asked to report on this issue to create public awareness.


4.) There are rumors that fiba-asia will target or ban taulava, pennisi, and norwood as well as the new "foreign" players of middle eastern countries during Tianjin. Remember, there is a precedent for this when our games were annuled during the fiba-asia in the 1980s when we fielded those naturalized players. Does Powerade have a contingency plan if this rumor is true ? Anway, its worth exploring or preparing for.

5.) Yeng Guiao's fiery personality should be harnessed for this issue if you know what I mean .Maybe he can share his explosive thoughts on this ? ;D

6.) Ask Pacquiao' assistance to publicize the issue.

sir_hodge
06-25-2009, 11:01 PM
ok naman ang SBP ah... sana wag na nila pulitikahin...

insulares
06-25-2009, 11:08 PM
Just sent a terse email to Baumann/FIBA and cc'd Gameface. However, the mailer demon gave back a message that the Gameface mailbox is full. Well, I take this as a positive sign that everyone's taking this FIBA/BAP issue very seriously and has started practicing their literary skills.

More power to you petition-makers. Keep up the good work. Mabuhay kayo at siguradong maraming susuporta diyan! 'Wag tayo paduduro sa mga sira-ulong BAP at sa mga ulupong nila sa FIBA...



We got your email. Just to make sure. cc our President at henryabes@yahoo.com. Thanks.



Awright cool GF. Let's keep the flood alert high for FIBA's inbox... ;D

pachador
06-26-2009, 12:34 AM
here's some reader comments from Philstar newspaper:

ZiRkErOh (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:28 AM)


If the BAP are in control again of the Philippine Basketball, they will surely field in Anjo Yllana's team in International Tournament.. Natuto nga naman na sila from their past mistakes..

GO GRAHAM LIM.. GO THE PLANET URANUS..

GO RP TEAM..


vicONGASis (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 AM)



It's not as easy as just showing up at the FIBA's office in Switzerland.
SBP is making a statement that the days of the BAP and Graham Lim bullying, sabotaging and hostaging RP basketball is over.

falloutboy (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 AM)



It's would be such a disgrace if we are indeed going to be suspended! Are we going to allow a handfull of self-centered people to ruin everything that SBP has already beginning to established. This is a clear case of Sour-Graping. This BS started because of envy. It's disgusting actualy, people (BAP) trying to do a power grab (that's the way I see it) with an assistance of FIBA it self. We (fans) are on the loosing end here.

Attention to Mr. Manny Pacquiao, can you please have SBP vs. BAP for the main event of your boxing charity between the Government and MILF.

kajong (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 AM)

kajong wrote:

vlaikhoff:

i agree... go to geneva, at isama si geneva cruz... LOL...

sabay eto ang cruz na kasangga ng pinas... CRUZ..... geneva cruz... hehehhehehe

dapat cguro sumunod nalang sa fiba if ever kailangan... well tutal abugado naman si mvp at noli eala <-- former pala... exposed nila kung bakit ang BAP ay di nakailangan sumali sa pinas.. at kinakailangan no alien allowed... sabihin lang bakit ang chinese ang mamumuno sa pinoy?.. dun pa lang make a sense... dapat si lim magsabotahe sa iran at korea dahil yun ang malalakas na team.... LOL...

kung kinakailangan idaan sa balot ang SBP at BAP sa 2010 election para magkaalaman na.. tao huhusga sa kapakanan nito hindi yung iilan lang na naghahari harian despite of being alien...

ang ibang ngan pinoy dyan eh feeling alien, sala sa init at lamig minsan balat sibuyas. ang masaklap saksakan pa ng plastik kung kapalan lang ng mukha ang pag-uusapan.. ang masama pa nito, makasarili.. kapag sa iba di pwede pero kapag sya free of choice... LOL..

ang malala sa lahat taas pa ng ihi... kahit na yung ihi nya mismo ang pumapanghi sa sarili nya...

bato bato sa langit... sapul ka talaga/.... LOL...

kajong:

correction BALOTA... hindi balot... magalit pa sa akin si lolo BALOT... lol


kajong (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:23 AM)

vlaikhoff wrote:

sbp, go to the meeting at geneva!... prepare ur case and answer all acusations by lim... dont let fiba suspend us again...


vlaikhoff:

i agree... go to geneva, at isama si geneva cruz... LOL...

sabay eto ang cruz na kasangga ng pinas... CRUZ..... geneva cruz... hehehhehehe

dapat cguro sumunod nalang sa fiba if ever kailangan... well tutal abugado naman si mvp at noli eala <-- former pala... exposed nila kung bakit ang BAP ay di nakailangan sumali sa pinas.. at kinakailangan no alien allowed... sabihin lang bakit ang chinese ang mamumuno sa pinoy?.. dun pa lang make a sense... dapat si lim magsabotahe sa iran at korea dahil yun ang malalakas na team.... LOL...

kung kinakailangan idaan sa balot ang SBP at BAP sa 2010 election para magkaalaman na.. tao huhusga sa kapakanan nito hindi yung iilan lang na naghahari harian despite of being alien...

ang ibang ngan pinoy dyan eh feeling alien, sala sa init at lamig minsan balat sibuyas. ang masaklap saksakan pa ng plastik kung kapalan lang ng mukha ang pag-uusapan.. ang masama pa nito, makasarili.. kapag sa iba di pwede pero kapag sya free of choice... LOL..

ang malala sa lahat taas pa ng ihi... kahit na yung ihi nya mismo ang pumapanghi sa sarili nya...

bato bato sa langit... sapul ka talaga/.... LOL...

corpsS3 (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 AM)



MVP definitely knows where SBP stand on this issue. Its nauseating to note that the old-time leeches of BAP is still at it and have gain foothold on Fiba-Asia. MVP is right, Fiba should specify first the charges being levelled againts SBP.

vlaikhoff (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 AM)


sbp, go to the meeting at geneva!... prepare ur case and answer all acusations by lim... dont let fiba suspend us again...


vicONGASis (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 AM)



It's a battle between the disgraced leaders of the BAP and the credible leadership of MVPangilinan.
Any sane Pinoy knows it's a no-brainer which side to choose.

Suspension? So be it. RP basketball scene can survive with or without FIBA.

falloutboy (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:01 AM)

CrossOver
06-26-2009, 12:47 AM
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RP team, BAP execs in ‘secret’ meeting
By Julius Manicad
06/26/2009

What was JB Baylon doing in Malate on Wednesday night?

Baylon, the Coca-Cola team governor in the Philippine Basketball Association who doubles as team manager of the PBA RP Team selection gunning for a possible Olympic stint in 2012 in London, was seen meeting with a former official who is now widely considered a pariah in the sport.

The former official was identified, through a photograph that reached the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) as Graham Lim, the disgraced secretary general of the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP).

Lim, a Chinese citizen who is subject of a deportation order by the Bureau of Immigration for falsification of his documents claiming he is a Filipino citizen, was accompanied by another “Chinese-looking guy,” as described by SBP executive director Noli Eala, who claimed to possess the photograph that would prove the meeting took place, indeed.

The meeting took place just hours after SBP president Manny Pangilinan questioned the wisdom of the Fiba (International Basketball Federation) creating a “special committee” to look into the alleged violations of the so-called “Bangkok Agreement,” which disenfranchised the BAP and installed the SBP as the rightful association for the sport of basketball in the country.

Lim, and his friend Go Teng Kok, the athletics association president who also dabbles in various interests, including as president of karatedo, chess and also the BAP, have petitioned the Fiba to look into the SBP affairs a couple of years after it was decided that the BAP should not longer have control of the sport as an NSA (national sports association).

Lim and Go have close business ties with some ranking officials of the Fiba.

Eala said Baylon’s meeting with Lim is like “sleeping with the enemy,” especially since the SBP is currently embroiled in a legal tussle with the BAP and is questioning the authority of the Fiba body over the Philippine group.

Baylon’s meeting with Lim did not have the sanction of the SBP.

“We even have a picture to prove it, and Baylon admitted it to his colleagues in the PBA,” Eala said. “This meeting has no blessing from the SBP which is sanctioning the Powerade RP Team’s participation in Tianjin.”

Another ranking SBP executive, Joaqui Trillo, also denounced Baylon’s action.

“Mr. Baylon did not inform me,” said Trillo, who represents the PBA in the SBP board of trustees. “I don’t think it is right for Mr. Baylon to meet someone who has nothing to do with Philippine basketball. SBP is the governing body in basketball in the Philippines and SBP alone should be followed.”

“Let’s do away with pretenders, he said.”

Baylon, meanwhile, confirmed the meeting, but claimed it was nothing but to ensure his group’s corporate standing in the sport.

Coca-Cola’s Gatorade arm is the main sponsor of the RP team. The sponsorship would last until the 2010 World Championship.

“I just wanted to find out whether Coca-Cola’s investment will be at risk given what the BAP is doing,” he said. “I need to be prepared so that I could explain to my bosses what happened to our sponsorship if things get serious.”

“I don’t know what’s ugly about that. They’re just putting too much color on it.”


Tribune.net.ph (http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20090626spo1.html)

CrossOver
06-26-2009, 12:51 AM
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Pangilinan: Fiba’s move is highly suspicious
By Ronnie Nathanielsz

SAMAHANG Basketbol ng Pilipinas president Manuel Pangilinan said the actions of Fiba to summon the leaders of the Fiba- and Philippine Olympic Committee-recognized national sports association to a three-day meeting in Geneva to resolve a supposed on-going controversy with the Basketball Association of the Philippines is highly suspicious.

He was referring to a letter sent by former secretary-general Borislav Stankovic in his capacity as chairman of the special commission for the Philippines.

Pangilinan said he wanted to know the reasons for this. “What’s the agenda, what are the rules of procedure, how are we going to resolve unity issues? We need to know that. You may have the power of suspension but I am assuming there is a basis in their own charter for suspending a member and those must be for grave reasons. You cannot just abuse your authority and say I have the power of suspension.”

At a news conference, Pangilinan said the SBP sent Fiba secretary-general Patrick Baumann a 10-page letter that “answered fully and exhaustively the issues that he has raised, but he didn’t answer.”

“Why is Fiba in haste to resolve this before Aug. 6 which is the start of the Fiba Asia Men’s Championships which will serve as a qualifier for the World Championships in Turkey in 2010?,” asked Pangilinan.

Answering his own question, Pangilinan branded Fiba’s actions “highly suspicious.”

“If their motives are pure, let’s talk about it after China,” said Pangilinan, hinting that the threat of suspension raised by Baumann was an indication of the real motive, which is to prevent the Powerade-Philippine National Team from competing in China.

“The nation should be awakened to this sordid thing. If there is dirt in our national federations, the international federation is also dirty. We should be outraged by this kind of approach, this kind of behavior and this kind of treatment. We should expose them for what they really are,” said Pangilinan. “Don’t hold our country hostage. Let’s do it after Aug. 6. Let’s have a clearer path, a more clear forum for discussion rather than now that you have a gun to our heads. Because at the end of the day, some of our countrymen will blame us—SBP—for standing on principles and then the country gets suspended.”

Pangilinan said he knows that Baumann and former Fiba president Carl Menky Ching met with Graham Lim and former Rep. Prospero Pichay in Hong Kong, “but they did not inform us what the complaints were or the conclusion.”

“Is that the way to treat a national federation? Just write a letter and say you are summoned to Geneva to answer to me. Never mind the SBP. Have they no respect for our country? A basketball power in Asia? It’s not right. We respect them. We have gone to Geneva a number of times to report to them.”

Reference was also made to the Supreme Court decision ruling with finality that Lim was not a Filipino citizen. The question was raised as to why Fiba would entertain the complaints of an alien on internal affairs of the Philippines, even as the SBP inquired as to “why he is still in the Philippines and able to do what he does remains a mystery.”

The SBP also suggested that Fiba may wish its special commission to investigate as well before reinstating him to the Fiba Youth Commission. You will find that at the bottom of the muddy sludge of the ongoing controversy in Philippine basketball is Graham Lim.”


Manila Standard (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=sports2_june25_2009)

pachador
06-26-2009, 12:52 AM
If you read it carefully, it looks like this news is making a mountain out of nothing. Coca-cola, the sponsor of the Philippine Team wants to make sure their investment will not be wasted so Mr. Baylon met with Graham Lim to find out what he is up to and whether FIBA will suspend the SBP and the Philippine team.

I suggest that SBP members not only coordinate with each other but confirm with each other behind the scenes about individual actions before shooting from the hip to the press media which as you know likes controversies since it boosts newspaper sales. Also, Daily Tribune newspaper is known for their wild headlines.

That supposed surreptitious spy photo of Baylon smacks of Paranoia. It does not have to go to that level. .it will just needlessly antagonize an SBP ally







http://www.tribune.net.ph/pics/topstories_01.png

RP team, BAP execs in ‘secret’ meeting
By Julius Manicad
06/26/2009

What was JB Baylon doing in Malate on Wednesday night?

Baylon, the Coca-Cola team governor in the Philippine Basketball Association who doubles as team manager of the PBA RP Team selection gunning for a possible Olympic stint in 2012 in London, was seen meeting with a former official who is now widely considered a pariah in the sport.

The former official was identified, through a photograph that reached the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) as Graham Lim, the disgraced secretary general of the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP).

Lim, a Chinese citizen who is subject of a deportation order by the Bureau of Immigration for falsification of his documents claiming he is a Filipino citizen, was accompanied by another “Chinese-looking guy,” as described by SBP executive director Noli Eala, who claimed to possess the photograph that would prove the meeting took place, indeed.

The meeting took place just hours after SBP president Manny Pangilinan questioned the wisdom of the Fiba (International Basketball Federation) creating a “special committee” to look into the alleged violations of the so-called “Bangkok Agreement,” which disenfranchised the BAP and installed the SBP as the rightful association for the sport of basketball in the country.

Lim, and his friend Go Teng Kok, the athletics association president who also dabbles in various interests, including as president of karatedo, chess and also the BAP, have petitioned the Fiba to look into the SBP affairs a couple of years after it was decided that the BAP should not longer have control of the sport as an NSA (national sports association).

Lim and Go have close business ties with some ranking officials of the Fiba.

Eala said Baylon’s meeting with Lim is like “sleeping with the enemy,” especially since the SBP is currently embroiled in a legal tussle with the BAP and is questioning the authority of the Fiba body over the Philippine group.

Baylon’s meeting with Lim did not have the sanction of the SBP.

“We even have a picture to prove it, and Baylon admitted it to his colleagues in the PBA,” Eala said. “This meeting has no blessing from the SBP which is sanctioning the Powerade RP Team’s participation in Tianjin.”

Another ranking SBP executive, Joaqui Trillo, also denounced Baylon’s action.

“Mr. Baylon did not inform me,” said Trillo, who represents the PBA in the SBP board of trustees. “I don’t think it is right for Mr. Baylon to meet someone who has nothing to do with Philippine basketball. SBP is the governing body in basketball in the Philippines and SBP alone should be followed.”

“Let’s do away with pretenders, he said.”

Baylon, meanwhile, confirmed the meeting, but claimed it was nothing but to ensure his group’s corporate standing in the sport.

Coca-Cola’s Gatorade arm is the main sponsor of the RP team. The sponsorship would last until the 2010 World Championship.

“I just wanted to find out whether Coca-Cola’s investment will be at risk given what the BAP is doing,” he said. “I need to be prepared so that I could explain to my bosses what happened to our sponsorship if things get serious.”

“I don’t know what’s ugly about that. They’re just putting too much color on it.”


Tribune.net.ph (http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20090626spo1.html)

CrossOver
06-26-2009, 12:57 AM
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SBP must face special commission
By Josef T. Ramos
Friday, June 26, 2009

The secretary-general of the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) said officials of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) are scared of the special commission created by the FIBA, the world governing body on basketball, that will investigate the complaints filed against the SBP.

Graham Lim, BAP secretary-general, told The Manila Times on Thursday that SBP officials, led by its President Manny Pangilinan, can reject whatever moves the FIBA makes to iron out the divisiveness plaguing basketball in the Philippines, and that includes snubbing the hearing called by the FIBA that will look into the complaints filed by basketball stakeholders in the country.

The FIBA Central Board, through the letter of special commission for the Philippines Chairman Borislav Stankovic, has summoned the leaders of the SBP to a meeting to be held from July 20 to 22 in Geneva, Switzerland to patch up the differences between the SBP and the people behind BAP.

However, Pangilinan said on Wednesday they will all snub the meeting called by FIBA.

Lim said the SBP can do whatever it wants toward FIBA but the BAP should not be blamed for whatever the consequences will be. SBP officials were concerned the FIBA would suspend the country anew from international basketball because of the current strife.

“Why do they are afraid to face the special commission of FIBA? If they did not violate anything, they should not be afraid of that in the first place if they are right,” said Lim.

“I’m sure they [SBP] are afraid of something. If not, then leave it to the FIBA,” he said.

Lim, who was recently reinstated by the FIBA Central Board to his old post as member of FIBA youth commission, said that if the Bangkok agreement signed by BAP and SBP two years ago was followed, the divisiveness wracking Philippine basketball would not have happened.

According to Bangkok agreement, an election of the merged organization, the BAP-SBP, would be held among its 87 members.

However, the BAP and SBP both held separate elections in 2008, and the Philippine Olympic Committee recognized SBP. BAP’s polls was attended by 66 legitimate members, while SBP only had 19.


Manila Times (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/june/26/yehey/sports/20090626spo2.html)

pachador
06-26-2009, 01:12 AM
Thats why its even more important for the Powerade team to maximize the 2 or 3 weeks practice they have before the Jones Cup. They should try to go to the nearest powerhouse country such as australia or new zealand for a 5 or 6 practice games against the aussie or kiwi squads.

[QUOTE]

Time no longer on Yeng’s side

POWERADE Team Pilipinas coach Yeng Guiao has to arrive at a crucial decision earlier than planned.

Guiao yesterday learned he must submit his final lineup to the FIBA-Asia championship on Aug. 6-16 in Tianjin, China, by July 22, forcing him to decide on his final roster before the Jones Cup meet on July 18-28 in Taipei.

"Wala tayong magagawa if the organizers have so ordered. I am sure na pare-parehas naman tayong mga kasali sa Jones Cup at FIBA-Asia na apektado kaya okay lang," he said.

pachador
06-26-2009, 01:54 AM
a possibility. hmmm. they should get tamiflu shots and avoid the malls or big crowds.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chekov's gun
another problem is the swine flu virus. the philippines is one of the hardest-hit in asia.. if even 1 of the players or the staff caught this virus and showed symptoms in china before or during the games, that would be the bitter end of our campaign because chinese authorities would surely quarantine the whole team. let us hope that this scenario never happens, and if it does as a consequence of the unavoidable, let it happen to another team. amen.

franz_inwurdz
06-26-2009, 08:49 AM
If most of us feel there is truth to the speculation that the meeting is an ambush, and Bauman's intent is questionable already, then I think our e-mails should go higher.

I say let's move it higher. Who does this Bauman reports to?

Also we should look at different angles of attack as well.

Anyone up for checking on that deportation case against Lim?

And as the other poster suggested, I think it is vital that we go main stream, we need the Pacman for this. Anybody knows how to bring this up to the champ?

gusto nyo si nicole nalang ng pussycat dolls, o si batista? ;D

Sam Miguel
06-26-2009, 09:32 AM
E-mail Borislav Stancovic here: stancovic@fiba.com

Since this thread has been renamed as it has, then let us not lose sight of the fact that with or without the old BAP there is still much to be done in terms of keeping the SBP on the straight and narrow. Let us not replace one "barkada system" (in the words of Ricky Vargas) with another, because that is precisely what has been happening.

D_I_A
06-26-2009, 10:08 AM
I'm back can't wait to hold a protest in one of the PBA games holding a placard that supports SBP and PBA Powerade Team and junking the BAP!!!


to all SBP supporters let's heighten the vanguard movement!!!

i jsut hope that POC would also issue a similar statement denouncing and reiterating it's stand against the BAP!!!

Can SBP and this POC elevate this deliberate and dictatorial acts of FIBA to the IOC. FIBA is already losing it's credibility because it's being mishandled by mafia-style Chinese syndicates and their corrupt cohorts.



SUPPORT THE SBP!!!

DEPORT GRAHAM LIM ASAP!!!

SAVE PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL!!!


SULONG BASKETBALL NG PILIPINAS!!!

D_I_A
06-26-2009, 10:17 AM
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SBP must face special commission
By Josef T. Ramos
Friday, June 26, 2009

The secretary-general of the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) said officials of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) are scared of the special commission created by the FIBA, the world governing body on basketball, that will investigate the complaints filed against the SBP.

Graham Lim, BAP secretary-general, told The Manila Times on Thursday that SBP officials, led by its President Manny Pangilinan, can reject whatever moves the FIBA makes to iron out the divisiveness plaguing basketball in the Philippines, and that includes snubbing the hearing called by the FIBA that will look into the complaints filed by basketball stakeholders in the country.

The FIBA Central Board, through the letter of special commission for the Philippines Chairman Borislav Stankovic, has summoned the leaders of the SBP to a meeting to be held from July 20 to 22 in Geneva, Switzerland to patch up the differences between the SBP and the people behind BAP.

However, Pangilinan said on Wednesday they will all snub the meeting called by FIBA.

Lim said the SBP can do whatever it wants toward FIBA but the BAP should not be blamed for whatever the consequences will be. SBP officials were concerned the FIBA would suspend the country anew from international basketball because of the current strife.

“Why do they are afraid to face the special commission of FIBA? If they did not violate anything, they should not be afraid of that in the first place if they are right,” said Lim.

“I’m sure they [SBP] are afraid of something. If not, then leave it to the FIBA,” he said.

Lim, who was recently reinstated by the FIBA Central Board to his old post as member of FIBA youth commission, said that if the Bangkok agreement signed by BAP and SBP two years ago was followed, the divisiveness wracking Philippine basketball would not have happened.

According to Bangkok agreement, an election of the merged organization, the BAP-SBP, would be held among its 87 members.

However, the BAP and SBP both held separate elections in 2008, and the Philippine Olympic Committee recognized SBP. BAP’s polls was attended by 66 legitimate members, while SBP only had 19.


Manila Times (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/june/26/yehey/sports/20090626spo2.html)



TO GRAHAM LIM:


BETTER FACE PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL FORUMERS FIRST BEFORE YOU QUESTION AND CRITICIZE SBP'S LEGITIMACY.THE LEGITIMACY YOU'RE SPEAKING OF RESTS ON VIGILANT AND PRINCIPLED-MINDED FORUMERS OF PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL WEBSITES.

WE'RE WILLING TO HEAR YOUR SIDE, LISTEN AND DEBATE WITH YOU!

SBP IS THE MAJORITY VOICE OF PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL!!!

bap LOST its claims to our country's beloved sport.

BAP and Graham Lim, Enough is Enough!!!

WE FORUMERS TOGETHER WITH MAJORITY OF PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL FANATICS DON'T WANT A DIVISIVE AND POLITICS-TORN BASKETBALL SCENE!!!

END THE HARRASSMENT!!! WE WON'T ALLOW YOU TO RAPE AND HUMILIATE PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL ONCE AGAIN!!!


DOWN WIH THE BAP!!!

thadzonline
06-26-2009, 10:25 AM
“Why is Fiba in haste to resolve this before Aug. 6 which is the start of the Fiba Asia Men’s Championships which will serve as a qualifier for the World Championships in Turkey in 2010?,” asked Pangilinan.

Answering his own question, Pangilinan branded Fiba’s actions “highly suspicious.”

“If their motives are pure, let’s talk about it after China,” said Pangilinan, hinting that the threat of suspension raised by Baumann was an indication of the real motive, which is to prevent the Powerade-Philippine National Team from competing in China.

Is Baumann feeling the pressures of the upcoming 2010 FIBA elections and is playing some cards the wrong way? Maybe then, we have to urge MVP to run for the FIBA position.

D_I_A
06-26-2009, 10:33 AM
“Why is Fiba in haste to resolve this before Aug. 6 which is the start of the Fiba Asia Men’s Championships which will serve as a qualifier for the World Championships in Turkey in 2010?,” asked Pangilinan.

Answering his own question, Pangilinan branded Fiba’s actions “highly suspicious.”

“If their motives are pure, let’s talk about it after China,” said Pangilinan, hinting that the threat of suspension raised by Baumann was an indication of the real motive, which is to prevent the Powerade-Philippine National Team from competing in China.

Is Baumann feeling the pressures of the upcoming 2010 FIBA elections and is playing some cards the wrong way? Maybe then, we have to urge MVP to run for the FIBA position.



PWEDE kaso pano makakatakbo as FIBA Official kung sinuspend naman tayo ng FIBA? pwede ba yun?

bchoter
06-26-2009, 01:01 PM
Can we also send emails to the SBP heads including MVP?

gameface_one
06-26-2009, 01:42 PM
^^^You may post your messages here. SBP officials including MVP knows the content of the Gameface Forums.

Swak
06-26-2009, 03:00 PM
Find below the complete list of the FIBA Central Board with their email addresses. FIRE AWAY!


FIBA Central Board

Name Email address

Bob Elphinston elphinston@fiba.com
George Vassilakopoulos info@fibaeurope.com
Patrick Baumann baumann@fiba.com
Borislav Stankovic info@fiba.com
Manfred Stroher P.O. Box 584, 55529 Bad Kreuznach, Winzenheimer Str. 24, 55545
Bad Kreuznach,Germany
Alphonse Bile office@fiba-afrique.org
Alain Ekra office@fiba-afrique.org
Valerie Ackerman info@fibaamericas.com
Jenaro Marchand federacion@fbpur.com
Horacio Muratore cabb@itcom.com.ar
Julio Subero fedombal@hotmail.com
Ching Man Wai Mabel hkbba@basketball.org.hk
Sheikh Fahad Al-Ahmad Alsabah Talal kuwaitbasketball@hotmail.com
Yu Zaiqing sunjuncba@sohu.com
Marion Grethen fibb@fibb.lu
Yvan Mainini / Catherine Barraud cbarraud@basketfrance.com
Jose Luis Saez Regalado secretaria@feb.es
Barbara Wheadon wheadngb@iprolink.co.nz
William Keldermans koram@palaunet.com
Steve Smith steve@fibaoceania.com

migsameds
06-26-2009, 05:24 PM
^^^You may post your messages here. SBP officials including MVP knows the content of the Gameface Forums.


let our voice be heard in numbers! vote at www.smartsports.net poll questions re SBP/FIBA!! laban pilipinas!!

insulares
06-26-2009, 05:51 PM
I'm back can't wait to hold a protest in one of the PBA games holding a placard that supports SBP and PBA Powerade Team and junking the BAP!!!

to all SBP supporters let's heighten the vanguard movement!!!

i jsut hope that POC would also issue a similar statement denouncing and reiterating it's stand against the BAP!!!

Can SBP and this POC elevate this deliberate and dictatorial acts of FIBA to the IOC. FIBA is already losing it's credibility because it's being mishandled by mafia-style Chinese syndicates and their corrupt cohorts.




Good to have you back, DIA...we'll need every dissident-in-action for the fight of our basketball lives.

On putting up a united front against FIBA's scare tactics, you made an excellent point about having the POC issue a strong statement of support for our national federation. I think the best word to convince FIBA from retreating from that slippery slope they are treading on is "LEGITIMACY".

Recall that there was a strong "legal" basis for FIBA to suspend us in 2005. The POC had just blackballed the BAP, stripping it of NSA status. Some called Peping Cojuangco's move dictatorial (I called it "long overdue"), but that just made it easy for FIBA to strike us. After all, a federation without NOC or national olympic committee status (POC in this case) cannot be officially recognized by FIBA. This criterion was repeatedly emphasized by Baumann during negotiations in the ongoing suspension back then. During the Unity Congress of Feb 2007 when Baumann flew in to attend the Dusit Hotel proceedings, he mentioned that the suspension was effectively lifted, pending receipt of the POC recognition. "It's a matter of receiving a piece of paper and giving it back", was what he said if I recall correctly.

Of course the story is very different today. The SBP is standing on legit ground (POC-sanctioned). FIBA on the other hand, appears very shaky in their ongoing (mis)adventure to try to screw Philippine basketball. They are trying to pin the blame on a national federation based on the unverified complaints of some "squeaky wheels", to use the expression in the open letter. These same useless wheels that FIBA appears inclined to reinstall are the same wheels that FIBA judged as detrimental in the recent past. How's that for FIBA's mechanic "fix-it" skills?

That is a fact not lost on the SBP leaders. When Stankovic, Baumann et al. recently set up this laughable "special committee" and summoned the SBP to an ill-timed meeting two weeks ahead of a Worlds qualifier, I'm pretty sure they thought they had the Philippine federation leaders wrapped around their arrogant fingers. They figured the SBP would stumble all over itself to try to appease the FIBA false gods and give a swift reply in the affirmative. As it turned out, the SBP did reply swiftly...the only thing was it was a resounding "NO" on both counts.

"NO", we won't submit to your so-called "special committee". And "NO", we won't attend your meeting with no clear guidelines. Oh, and just to remind you bright boys of FIBA, we still have in our possession that letter from your two-faced secretary-general dated May 2008 saying he fully supports the SBP and will disregard all communication with the BAP. Hmmm..I heard somewhere that Baumann can speak five languages. Well, apparently nowadays, the Swiss boy just speaks with a forked tongue.

So FIBA is in a pretty pickle today. Did they ever count on the SBP and the major stakeholders headed by the PBA responding in the resounding way they did? I don't know. For sure, the SBP could've tried to buy time before responding to the summons, but the swift manner in which they articulated their strong stand based on principle and fair play certainly earned the respect of Filipino basketball fans...I know they earned mine.

So the ball is back on FIBA's court after the SBP sent them back a response to the summons. Sure, they can go ahead with their power trip and hammer us with another suspension, but will that decision come easily? Are they now second-guessing the SBP's next move if indeed we get suspended? Does FIBA's old boys' club fear becoming fully exposed as reprisal if they push through with a Philippine suspension? Either way, FIBA unwittingly opened up a can of worms. It's up to them if they want to pour the contents in their underpants.

Don Quijote
06-26-2009, 07:06 PM
If FIBA Suspend the SBP the best thing to do is to ask for TRO in International Court for Sports. If we could get at least two or three months clearance it would pave the way for RP's participation in FIBA-ASIA in China. I thinks yun na ang last resort natin kung sakaling mangyari na ang kinakatakutan natin.

korn666333
06-26-2009, 07:36 PM
ito nanaman manggugulo na naman yung nagpapahiya sa pinas!

donmar
06-26-2009, 10:05 PM
If FIBA Suspend the SBP the best thing to do is to ask for TRO in International Court for Sports. If we could get at least two or three months clearance it would pave the way for RP's participation in FIBA-ASIA in China. I thinks yun na ang last resort natin kung sakaling mangyari na ang kinakatakutan natin.


I agree.. If we get suspended SBP should bring the matter to the IOC or to the Court of Arbitrary of Sports (CAS)... its just like saying well if we get suspended then why not bring the rest of the world with us...

pachador
06-26-2009, 11:00 PM
and this will shine the spotlight on the shenanigans of some of the FIBA honchos. Maybe, SBP should assume the worst and prepare the paperwork for the TRO at the International Court for Sports para ma-expedite.






If FIBA Suspend the SBP the best thing to do is to ask for TRO in International Court for Sports. If we could get at least two or three months clearance it would pave the way for RP's participation in FIBA-ASIA in China. I thinks yun na ang last resort natin kung sakaling mangyari na ang kinakatakutan natin.


I agree.. If we get suspended SBP should bring the matter to the IOC or to the Court of Arbitrary of Sports (CAS)... its just like saying well if we get suspended then why not bring the rest of the world with us...

pachador
06-27-2009, 12:51 AM
guys,

in the news today, it said that Pichay, and Villafuerte is going with Graham to Geneva for that special commission meeting. Who are the lord of the rings with powers over pichay and villafuerte ?

why doesn't the SBP give villafuerte, pichay and gotengkok honorary or symbolic positions at SBP in order to isolate Lim ? is that workable? and back it up by finding whoever is powerful enough to arm-twist villauerte and pichay into agreeing.

by the way, all the other filipino basketball forums like PEX, interbasket, paclander, mypba, etc are overwhelmingly in support of SBP. For example, in facebook, there are 2,900 members of Pilipinas basketball. Check it out at http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pilipinas.basketbol

CrossOver
06-27-2009, 01:38 AM
http://www.philstar.com/images/logo_PStar.gif

Pichay calls SBP no-show decision 'unsportsmanlike'
Updated June 27, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines – Basketball Association of the Philippines president Butch Pichay yesterday branded the Samahang Basketbol Ng Pillipinas’ threat to snub the FIBA meeting as unsportsmanlike and an affront to the highest governing body of basketball in the world.

“It is, to say the least, unsportsmanlike,” Pichay, also the head of the National Chess Federation of the Philippines, said during the SCOOP Sa Kamayan weekly session at Padre Faura.

Pichay was reacting to the recent SBP move, questioning the creation of the three-man special committee tasked to again mediate between the SBP and the BAP.

Pichay said rather than assail the move, the SBP should be thankful that solution in the long-drawn out controversy besetting basketball could be at hand.

The FIBA has invited the two groups to a meeting July 20-22 in Geneva.

Pichay also considered the SBP move as an act of arrogance.

“You don’t defy the highest ruling body of your sport. You have to respect that body and its leaders. We are living in a civilized and democratic world where there are rules to be followed,” said Pichay.

He also allayed the SBP fears that the country might be suspended again from the FIBA roster.

“What are they afraid of? Pichay said. “Maybe they are afraid to know that they have violated the Bangkok Agreement which became the basis of the BAP-SBP recognition as the country’s sole NSA in the sport.”


PhilStar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=481466&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

CrossOver
06-27-2009, 01:48 AM
Pakiliwanag lang mga ka miyembro bakit ba iyang "Bangkok Agreement" na lang ang kanilang sinasabi (BAP)? me nalabag ba talaga don? napupurga na kasi ako! eh ang FIBA nga di ba't sa SBP na mismo pumanig nung 2008 ang sabi pa nga eh hindi na nila pakikinggan ang BAP? Pichay hindi naman natatakot ang SBP kwestyonable lang ang pag-tatalaga ng FIBA Asia sa espesyal na komite para imbestigahin ang SBP na kung saan kayong taga BAP ay wala na talagang karapatang manhimasok dahil hindi na kayo kinikilala ng FIBA *dapat* ???

insulares
06-27-2009, 01:51 AM
why doesn't the SBP give villafuerte, pichay and gotengkok honorary or symbolic positions at SBP in order to isolate Lim ? is that workable? and back it up by finding whoever is powerful enough to arm-twist villauerte and pichay into agreeing.



I personally think this is not a good idea at all. If you throw a bone to any of these dogs, it only serves to reinforce their belief that they will be rewarded for each time they become disobedient and cause mischief. The same holds true for FIBA - that is, they'll say "oh if we tweak these SBP people enough they'll eventually crack and accept Carl Menky's buddies (e.g. GTK) into their federation". The key is not to blink in this staredown...in this case, a hard situation requires a hardline stance.

Secondly, this temporary fix will hardly isolate Graham Lim. For every Joey Lina and Jinggoy Estrada that leaves the BAP, there is a Pichay and a Villafuerte to replace them. There are plenty more losers where they came from so removing any two would hardly cause a dent. If we implemented this idea of becoming soft, then the SBP would be full of "honorary positions" filled by so many undesirables and you'd have a poisonous atmosphere inside the SBP locker room.

Don't forget that these BAP dogs were already part of the original Board of Trustees. The problem is that they are simply a group of greedy malcontents who want it all. So they break away, hold their own elections and try to drag the BAP-SBP label with them. But our courts saw through their ruse and didn't recognize them. So now their left crying for help from their FIBA cronies. And they want in again, right? And for what? "Breakaway Group", Take 2?

Lastly, if the SBP did relent and bend over to this compromise of an unholy alliance, will they still hold the same respect and support of Filipinos who deplore dealing with shady characters?

insulares
06-27-2009, 02:04 AM
O, heto isang article tungkol sa best friend nina Graham Lim at Go Teng Kok sa FIBA World.

Taong 2002 pa ang akda pero kita pa ren natin anong uri nitong si Carl Menky Ching....

note: the Asian Pacific Post is a publication based in Vancouver, Canada

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World basketball boss linked to Chinese mafia

September 05 2002

Banned from entering Canada and Australia, the newly elected president of the world basketball federation has offered US$1 million to anyone who can prove he is a crook

By Asian Pacific News Service


A Hong Kong sports leader, who is said to be closely connected to the arms trade and the Chinese mafia, has been made the president of the International Basketball Federation.

Businessman Carl Ching Men-ky got the top job at the International Basketball Federation, or FIBA, in a vote last week in the Midwestern US city of Indianapolis which was attended by representatives from almost 100 countries.

FIBA is the 70 year old governing body of international basketball and held its 17th World Congress in conjunction with the World Basketball Championships that also began last week in Indianapolis.

Ching, who has headed the Asian Basketball Confederation since 1976, was the only candidate for the post and replaces Abdoulaye Seye Moreau for a four-year term of office. He had previously been vice- president of the Geneva-based FIBA. A Canadian basketball official who asked not to be named said he is alarmed at the alleged underworld connections of Ching.

"This could be very embarrassing for international basketball especially in the wake of the organized crime scandal that has hit the Olympic movement."

Florian Wanninger, a spokesman for FIBA in a telephone interview with The Asian Pacific Post from Indianapolis said his association stands by the new president.

"He does not have a criminal record," said Wanninger, when asked if FIBA was aware of the allegations levelled against Ching.

Wanninger said anyone with a criminal record cannot hold office in FIBA.

When asked how Ching was going to enter Canada or Australia if his work as FIBA president required him to do so, Wanninger replied that the governments of the two countries have to explain why they will not let him in.

"He just got a 10 year visa for the United States," said Wanninger, refusing to answer further questions.

Ching was banned from entering the Sydney Olympics in 2000.

Australia cited national security reasons for not allowing Ching a visa. He was then also the Asian Basketball Federation boss.

Australian police records seen by The Asian Pacific Post show that Ching was investigated as a target in a A$2 million (C$1.7 million) money laundering operation in 1988.

He was also tracked and videotaped in a Sydney hotel room where a heroin deal was being discussed. Canada, which has also banned Ching from entering the country, has an extensive intelligence file on him, say police officers working in the field of Asian Organized Crime.

According to the author of one of the reports on Ching, the information was supplied by Hong Kong Police, Interpol, and the criminal intelligence services of Australia and Canada.

"This guy is well known...he does not have a criminal record but he has got extensive criminal connections," said the Canadian author of the report, who asked not to be named.

The secret police report on Ching done by Canadian police alleges that the sports leader is "linked" to triads (Chinese mafia) in Hong Kong, New York, Macau, Toronto and Vancouver.

The secret report, with Canadian immigration file number B0124-28441/M00042, was obtained byThe Asian Pacific Post.

It states Ching is linked to a Hong Kong businessman called Heung Wa Wing who is the brother of Heung Wah Yim - a top leader of the notorious Sun Yee Onn Triad. Ching is said to also have connections with Luen Triad in Macau, the Kung Lok gang and the Red Eagles which have members in Vancouver and Toronto.

The report prepared in the mid 90's when Ching tried to emigrate to Canada, lists the infamous Eddy Chan, who is described as 'the Godfather of Oriental Youth Gangs' in New York, as a business partner of Ching.

Eddy Chan is alleged to have been involved in drug smuggling, money-laundering and contract killings. Ching is also said to have had strong connections to Hong Kong's five dragons - a set of corrupt police officers who fled the former British Colony for Vancouver and Taiwan.

Immigration Canada sources said Ching, 62, a wealthy Hong Kong-based businessman, is currently listed on Immigration Canada's "lookout" list to prevent him from entering the country based on the intelligence gathered on his activities.

The Immigration Canada computer entry states Ching has unsuccessfully applied for three ministerial permits from three different immigration ministers to enter Canada after being denied visas and landed-immigrant status.

The last time Ching was recorded trying to enter Canada was in August 1994.

He was denied a visa to attend the World Basketball Championships in Toronto by then-immigration minister Sergio Marchi for "unspecified security reasons." At that time Ching said he felt betrayed by the Canadian refusal to give him a visa because he was instrumental in helping Toronto host the championships after being wooed by many prominent Canadians including former prime minister Brian Mulroney. Prior to that, Immigration Canada has recorded him being in Toronto and Vancouver at least 20 times since 1976 where he had commodity trading interests.

When Ching originally applied to come to Canada in the early nineties, he was turned down because his son was medically inadmissable.

To go around this issue, he had his son adopted by his brother, states an Immigration document. Ching the document also states is involved in Mafia activities in the Dominician Republic and arms sales between China, the Middle East and the Irish Republican Army.

When Ching was barred from entering Australia for the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, he angrily denounced media reports hinting at alleged connections with triads. "I have never done anything wrong in my life,"

He blamed the Canadian intelligence reports on his alleged mob ties as the reason for Australia's refusal to grant him a visa for the Olympics. Ching has admitted knowing some of the people mentioned as his associates, including the brother of a notorious Triad leader and Eddy Chan in New York. But he has denied knowing their alleged backgrounds.

Ching in an interview after being refused entry into Australia said Eddy Chan invested with him in the United Oriental Bank in New York where he was a director.

Ching said he also used Eddy Chan as a reference for his application to emigrate to Canada in the early 80s but has no business dealings with him any more. He believes that the reason he is being barred from entering Canada stems from a fee dispute with his former Canadian lawyer Ron Atkey, who later went on to be Canada's immigration minister. Atkey denies Ching's claim.

Ching had retained Atkey to help him emigrate to Canada but the application was turned down because one of his sons was declared inadmissable on medical grounds.

He believes the "fee dispute" may have led to Atkey having him barred after he became the chair of the Canadian Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC), which is the civilian watchdog that oversees Canada's spy agency"CSIS.

Ching has also said that Atkey was his business partner in a commodities trading business before they had a falling out. Atkey has described the claims as nonsense and that he was never Ching's business partner. "I had introduced him to a futures trading company but was never a director in the company," he said in an earlier interview from his law office in Toronto.

Ching and other Asian tycoons were among the people studied in the project which also looked at an alliance between the Beijing government and its espionage services and Chinese criminal gangs.

The study concluded that the ultimate objectives of the alliance included winning influence with Canadian politicians, stealing high-tech secrets, laundering money and gaining control of Canadian firms in real estate, media and other sectors.

A similar study done by a joint task force in the United States and headed by the National Security Agency (NSA) also looked at Ching's connections. Ching has offered US$1 million to anyone who can prove the allegations made in the security reports on him .


http://www.asianpacificpost.com/portal2/402881910674ebab010674f4913a1155.do.html

pachador
06-27-2009, 02:32 AM
well, if we are going to adopt a confrontational stance , the whole world and not just the fiba herarchy needs to know what is going on. For example, SBP said that it sent a 10 page letter to fiba but is it reaching the right fiba people who are not biased on the issue? what if this letter is now gathering dust ? I say the same letter must be sent to everybody in the fiba hierarchy. Just the mere fact that CarlMeng is in the fiba hierarchy gives Graham Lim an edge. The question is how do we overcome the edge? how do we get inside the fiba hierarchy? Whats is the pecking order in the fiba hierarchy? are there cliques within the fiba hierarchy that can be natural allies of the SBP ? are there fiba honchos who are neutral at the very least? is it really necessary to adopt a 100% confrontational stance with carlmenky? what if his powers are such that the can block SBP's every move until he dies? Does SBP have something that he can benefit from that will make him abandon graham? politics is a game of compromise and wheel-dealing. willl a confrontation be to our benefit on the grounds of idealism? do we have to burn bridges? even to the point that we will lose in the bidding of the 2011 fiba championships? we need to weigh everything even while we are mad at this devils. ;)







why doesn't the SBP give villafuerte, pichay and gotengkok honorary or symbolic positions at SBP in order to isolate Lim ? is that workable? and back it up by finding whoever is powerful enough to arm-twist villauerte and pichay into agreeing.



I personally think this is not a good idea at all. If you throw a bone to any of these dogs, it only serves to reinforce their belief that they will be rewarded for each time they become disobedient and cause mischief. The same holds true for FIBA - that is, they'll say "oh if we tweak these SBP people enough they'll eventually crack and accept Carl Menky's buddies (e.g. GTK) into their federation". The key is not to blink in this staredown...in this case, a hard situation requires a hardline stance.

Secondly, this temporary fix will hardly isolate Graham Lim. For every Joey Lina and Jinggoy Estrada that leaves the BAP, there is a Pichay and a Villafuerte to replace them. There are plenty more losers where they came from so removing any two would hardly cause a dent. If we implemented this idea of becoming soft, then the SBP would be full of "honorary positions" filled by so many undesirables and you'd have a poisonous atmosphere inside the SBP locker room.

Don't forget that these BAP dogs were already part of the original Board of Trustees. The problem is that they are simply a group of greedy malcontents who want it all. So they break away, hold their own elections and try to drag the BAP-SBP label with them. But our courts saw through their ruse and didn't recognize them. So now their left crying for help from their FIBA cronies. And they want in again, right? And for what? "Breakaway Group", Take 2?

Lastly, if the SBP did relent and bend over to this compromise of an unholy alliance, will they still hold the same respect and support of Filipinos who deplore dealing with shady characters?

insulares
06-27-2009, 03:38 AM
Nobody said anything about being confrontational. As Eala put it, the SBP is not out to be "defiant". The hardline stance (with FIBA) I mentioned pertains only to the matter of this dubious "special commission" and the arrogant manner in which the summons to Geneva was brought about.

To serve notice of non-participation in this commission and non-attendance in the meeting (pending further details) does not constitute confrontation. Rather, it is a strong professional reminder to FIBA that the SBP's legal paperwork is in order (both with Philippine courts and FIBA World for that matter) and that FIBA better be above board when it comes to throwing any potential sanctions at the Philippine federation.

Outright confrontation will solve nothing and will only exacerbate the situation. The SBP continues to work the problem diplomatically. For sure, they'll need all the boardroom savvy and backroom dealing skills to pull it off but I feel confident that MVP et al have the persuasive capability to coax FIBA to do what is right. In my opinion, FIBA would be wise to play it fair not necessarily because they want to, but because it may become politically expedient given the potential public relations mess they might face if they continue with this "special commission" monkey business.

Anything is possible at this point so we'll see how FIBA reacts to the letter of clarification sent by the SBP. We certainly hope for the best.

pachador
06-27-2009, 04:48 AM
ahh, after reading your thoughts, it occured to me that the so-called confrontational stance I perceive in the news must or might be different then from the actual verbal and letter correspondence SBP has with the FIBA ?
entonces muy bueno :)



Nobody said anything about being confrontational. As Eala put it, the SBP is not out to be "defiant". The hardline stance (with FIBA) I mentioned pertains only to the matter of this dubious "special commission" and the arrogant manner in which the summons to Geneva was brought about.

To serve notice of non-participation in this commission and non-attendance in the meeting (pending further details) does not constitute confrontation. Rather, it is a strong professional reminder to FIBA that the SBP's legal paperwork is in order (both with Philippine courts and FIBA World for that matter) and that FIBA better be above board when it comes to throwing any potential sanctions at the Philippine federation.

Outright confrontation will solve nothing and will only exacerbate the situation. The SBP continues to work the problem diplomatically. For sure, they'll need all the boardroom savvy and backroom dealing skills to pull it off but I feel confident that MVP et al have the persuasive capability to coax FIBA to do what is right. In my opinion, FIBA would be wise to play it fair not necessarily because they want to, but because it may become politically expedient given the potential public relations mess they might face if they continue with this "special commission" monkey business.

Anything is possible at this point so we'll see how FIBA reacts to the letter of clarification sent by the SBP. We certainly hope for the best.

weward
06-27-2009, 08:05 AM
BAP is really like those brats in the movies where they play goody goody..then the real good boy will get scolded by their mothers.. >:(

D_I_A
06-27-2009, 08:43 AM
CLAIMS IT HAS FULL BACKING FROM FIBA ‘INSIDER’

SBP on move to evade suspension

By Julius Manicad

06/27/2009

The Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas (SBP) yesterday revealed that it has approached an “independent body” within the International Basketball Federation (Fiba) for the much-need help in the face of brewing conflict now putting the Philippines on the brink of another possible suspension.

SBP vice chairman Ricky Vargas expressed elation over the development, believing that the country will be able to evade the suspension while not affecting at all the participation of Powerade-Team Pilipinas which will take part in the 25th Fiba-Asia Men’s Championship in Tianjin, China.

Though he refused to divulge the name or names, Vargas nevertheless confirmed that the Fiba executives they approached to are not part of the “barkada system” where Fiba honorary president Carl Ching Menky and Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) secretary-general Graham Lim belong.

Menky is reportedly behind the creation of the special commission tasked to investigate the ongoing dispute between the SBP and the BAP. He was also said to have ordered the reinstatement of Lim as Fiba youth commission chairman despite his being of questionable personality in the local basketball circuit.

But it was the controversial Go Teng Kok who admitted to have brokered their meeting in Hong Kong two months ago that led to the creation of a special commission. Go, the outspoken athletics chief who once handled the BAP, is said to be a close pal of Menky.

“We’re doing something about it,” Vargas said in a hastily-called press briefing at the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) office yesterday. “There are things going on which the SBP is doing. In fact, we already approached an independent body in Fiba to help us resolve this problem.”

“I am very confident that we’ll not be suspended,” said Vargas, the trusted deputy of SBP president Manny Pangilinan.

Vargas’ statement, however, came at the heels of a reported secret meeting between Lim and Powerade-Team Pilipinas team manager JB Baylon, his colleague in the PBA board of governors. Baylon represents Coca-Cola, which bankrolls Team Pilipinas’ participation from the SEABA Men’s Championship all the way to the Fiba World Championship in 2010.

Baylon confirmed the veracity of the meeting that took place last Wednesday, but reiterated his denial over claims that he was “sleeping with the enemy.” He, however, explained his side to the PBA board of governors with PBA commissioner Renauld “Sonny” Barrios in attendance.

He also told the PBA board that the meeting was arranged by a sportswriter.

“Philippine basketball will not forgive you for what you’re doing,” PBA chairman Joaqui Trillo quoted Baylon’s statement to Lim. “He said it was his first time to meet him. He just only wants to protect the interest of his company.”



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here's something to hope for!

parang kilala ko na yung isang grupo pa sa loob ng FIBA na pantapat ng SBP sa Chinese Mafia sa loob ng FIBA..hehe

Schortsanitis
06-27-2009, 10:02 AM
GO GRAHAM LIM!!! GO GO TENG KOK!!! GO BAP!!!

GO ..... BACK TO CHINA!!! LOL

The_Big_Cat
06-27-2009, 10:21 AM
Graham Lim, get out of our country!! >:(

Philippine basketball belongs to the Filipinos.

nardy
06-27-2009, 11:17 AM
Now if anyone out there who have connections with the Senators and Congressmen, I think it is high time we basketball fans ask these elected officials of ours to investigate why Graham Lim remains free to wreck havoc at Philippine Basketball when the Supreme Court and Malacanang had already declared him an illegal alien and ordered him deported.

Let's bombard these elected officials with an email or a text message on why the Philippine Government is powerless in implementing the deportation order on Graham Lim.

http://www.senate.gov.ph/senators/sen14th.asp (http://"http://www.senate.gov.ph/senators/sen14th.asp")

http://www.congress.gov.ph/members/ (http://"http://www.congress.gov.ph/members/")

We Filipino Basketball Fans being also Philippine Citizens, we have the right to know why this individual seems to have the power to be above the law.

Let us save Philippine Basketball .... it's time that we are heard !!!!

Tigercub
06-27-2009, 02:20 PM
tamang-tama samantalahin habang malapit na ang eleksyon... ;)

I SUPPORT THE SBP!!!

The_Big_Cat
06-27-2009, 07:10 PM
Now if anyone out there who have connections with the Senators and Congressmen, I think it is high time we basketball fans ask these elected officials of ours to investigate why Graham Lim remains free to wreck havoc at Philippine Basketball when the Supreme Court and Malacanang had already declared him an illegal alien and ordered him deported.

Let's bombard these elected officials with an email or a text message on why the Philippine Government is powerless in implementing the deportation order on Graham Lim.

http://www.senate.gov.ph/senators/sen14th.asp (http://"http://www.senate.gov.ph/senators/sen14th.asp")

http://www.congress.gov.ph/members/ (http://"http://www.congress.gov.ph/members/")

We Filipino Basketball Fans being also Philippine Citizens, we have the right to know why this individual seems to have the power to be above the law.

Let us save Philippine Basketball .... it's time that we are heard !!!!


Many time national team player and former Senator Robert Jaworski.
Many time national team player and former Senator Freddie Webb.

CrossOver
06-27-2009, 10:54 PM
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FIBA insulted RP – Moying
By REY BANCOD
June 27, 2009, 8:48pm

Former Asian Basketball Confederation (ABC) secretary-general Maurico “Moying” Martelino today said the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) has the authority to dip its hands on its member federations, but should have left the Philippines alone as a matter of delicadeza.

“The proper thing to do was toss the matter to the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) and let them iron out the dispute or differences. Not only did FIBA insult the SBP, but it also insulted the country,” Martelino said.

Martelino served the ABC, now known as FIBA-Asia, for eight years before he retired in the late '90s.

The longtime basketball official said he finds it odd that FIBA would create a special commission to investigate something that has already been resolved.

“When the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) and BAPI had a dispute years ago, the FIBA asked both sides first if they were willing to submit themselves to arbitration. This time, FIBA didn’t bother to communicate with SBP and proceeded to form a commission,” Martelino said.

Martelino said as far as he’s concerned, the BAP has ceased to exist following the formation of the SBP.

“Yet, the FIBA listened to BAP's complaints. This despite the fact that last year, FIBA assured SBP that it would disregard communications from BAP,” he said.

Martelino said the SBP has no other recourse but to explain its side and hope that FIBA will listen.

In the event, FIBA is not convinced of its position, the SBP can elevate the case to the Court of Arbitration of Sports (CAS) based in Lausanne, Switzerland, according to Martelino.


MB (http://www.mb.com.ph/node/204557)

CrossOver
06-27-2009, 10:59 PM
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JB joins ‘hate list’ roster
By Joel Orellana
Friday, 26 June 2009 02:09


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ADD JB Baylon, manager of the national all-pro basketball team, to the hate list that includes Graham Lim and Go Teng Kok.

Baylon met with Lim over dinner in a Malate restaurant on Wednesday night. And that did not suit well with Noli Eala, executive director of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) and Joaqui Trillo, the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) chairman.

Baylon, who represents the PBA-backed national team’s sponsor Powerade, told the BusinessMirror he met Lim to personally gather information as to the controversy brought about by the Fiba, the international basketball federation, asking SBP officials to attend a meeting in Geneva next month.

“I just wanted to find out what the BAP was up to and whether they would jeopardize the national team’s chances to play [since] Coke [through Powerade] is sponsoring that. I need to explain to my bosses at Coke what happen[ed] to the sponsorship if magkagulo and we are not allowed to join Tianjin,” said Baylon.

He added: “Unfortunately, I think some people either read malice into the meeting or other things.” Eala thought otherwise:

“I do not question the intentions, but I question his actions,” said Eala. “If he’s concerned, then why didn’t he talk to the SBP and instead approached Graham Lim. It is an insult to the authority of the SBP.”

Powerade is sponsoring the Yeng Guiao-coached team for P10 million. The team will compete in the Fiba Asia Men’s Championship in Tianjin, China, in August, hoping to make it in the top three to qualify for next year’s World Championship in Turkey.

But recently, the Fiba told the SBP that it is not satisfied with the way Philippine basketball has been “united” in the last two years and that created a special commission to handle the issue. The SBP, led by its president Manny Pangilinan, and the PBA slammed the Fiba for its action and pointed to Lim and Go as the culprits.

The meeting also irked Trillo, who was prompted to call a special PBA board meeting on Friday to discuss the issue.

“Mr. Baylon did not inform me [of the meeting],” Trillo said. “I am calling a board meeting tomorrow [Friday] to clear the air, so to speak. I don’t think it was right for Mr. Baylon to meet with someone who has nothing to do with Philippine basketball.”

Being the team manager of Coke, a member team of the PBA, Eala said Baylon’s timing was “off.”

“Powerade enjoys the privileges of being a national team sponsor because of PBA’s membership with the SBP. Yet, now he seeks relief from the very person who questions SBP’s authority,” Eala said.

“At the very least, it was a poor judgment on Baylon’s part if he acted on his own. His action simply emboldens Graham Lim unnecessarily in a time when the SBP has taken a position to stand on principles. No interest is more primordial than the interest of the Philippines,” added Eala.


BusinessMirror (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports/12338-jb-joins-hate-list-roster.html)

CrossOver
06-28-2009, 12:18 AM
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POC mum on BAP-SBP leadership conflict
By Josef T. Ramos
Sunday, June 28, 2009

THE Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) on Saturday refused to meddle in the “legitimacy issue” plaguing Philippine basketball after FIBA tasked a special commission to investigate certain matters.

The POC, through its spokesperson Joey Romasanta, said it is up to the FIBA special commission led by Chairman Borislav Stankovic to resolve the ongoing leadership conflict.

“That’s internal and the POC has nothing to do with it,” Romasanta told The Manila Times on Saturday. “All we can do is to provide FIBA what documents they need to prove SBP’s [Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas] legitimacy, but for the meantime we can’t speak about the issue.”

The SBP as a national sport association, is entitled to settle its own problem, he added.

Romasanta, however, also remained silent about the possible suspension the Philippines is facing yet again from FIBA.

The world basketball federation suspended the country twice and the Philippines could not afford to get a third suspension since it is preparing for the FIBA-Asia in Tianjin, China on August 6 to 16.

In 1963, FIBA suspended the Philippines for its failure to stage the 1963 FIBA World Championship after President Diosdado Macapagal refused to allow players from Yugoslavia and other communist countries to enter the country.

The Philippines was suspended for the second time by the world basketball federation on July 2005 after a long-standing feud between the POC and the Basketball Association of the Philippines. It was lifted in March 2007 after a unity congress was held among stakeholders that named BAP-SBP as the legitimate basketball body in the country.

SBP and long-time archrival BAP remained locked in a political turmoil after both groups held separate polls that elected different leaders as divisiveness in Philippine basketball persisted.

SBP officials said they would snub the FIBA hearing scheduled on July 20 to 22 in Geneva, Switzerland.


Manila Times (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/june/28/yehey/sports/20090628spo2.html)

thadzonline
06-28-2009, 12:27 AM
I wonder what passport Mr. Graham Lim is using for travel abroad. If his case is decided with finality, then his Philippine passport should have been cancelled and he should have also been in the BI watchlist so no reason why he is not monitored when he comes back

pachador
06-28-2009, 10:36 AM
thats a really excellent question thadz. if he still uses a philippine passport, then this would be the ultimate mockery of our justice system considering that he is already an alien and to be deported. This also shows how corrupt pichay and villafuerte is to be coddling this guy. This 2 politicians should be ashamed of themselves.




I wonder what passport Mr. Graham Lim is using for travel abroad. If his case is decided with finality, then his Philippine passport should have been cancelled and he should have also been in the BI watchlist so no reason why he is not monitored when he comes back

Mr. Councilor
06-28-2009, 12:29 PM
Yes, all basketball-loving Filipinos should unite and fight the DEVIL that is destroying Philippine basketball. That DEVIL is spelled BAP!!!
The reason why we are lagging behind in Asian sports competition, including basketball, is because of "crab mentality". Graham Lim of the BAP is most guilty of this "crab mentality". He should be declared "persona non grata" by Congress and then exiled and banished to the island of Timbuktu!!!

Joescoundrel
06-29-2009, 10:17 AM
I wonder if Graham Lim, with all of his Triad connections, is on some sort of Interpol or Homeland Security watch list. If he is, with or without a reward, we should alert all the authorities and turn him over. In case they do not know about his connections to the Triad, and the fact that he is a persona non grata in Australia for instance, perhaps we should tell them all about the lovable Mr Lim.

yungha
06-29-2009, 12:55 PM
here's some reader comments from Philstar newspaper:

ZiRkErOh (posted on Jun 26, 2009 12:28 AM)


If the BAP are in control again of the Philippine Basketball, they will surely field in Anjo Yllana's team in International Tournament.. Natuto nga naman na sila from their past mistakes..



oh my goodness.

starting five for the Philippines, at center - chris cantonjos! at forward - danny aying! at forward - jovy sese! at guard - danny capobres! at guard - chito victolero!

Swak
06-29-2009, 01:32 PM
I wonder if Graham Lim, with all of his Triad connections, is on some sort of Interpol or Homeland Security watch list. If he is, with or without a reward, we should alert all the authorities and turn him over. In case they do not know about his connections to the Triad, and the fact that he is a persona non grata in Australia for instance, perhaps we should tell them all about the lovable Mr Lim.



Actually, from some sources,Graham Lim's number supporter is Carl Ching Men-ky or Ching as he is known in FIBA. Ching was allegedly investigated in 1988 in a A$ 2M money laundering op in Sidney. He was tracked and videotaped in a Sidney hotel room where a heroine deal was being discussed. He is linked to triads (chinese mafia) in hkg, New York, Macau, Toronto, and Vancouver. Allegedly, there is a secret report from Canadian Immigration file number B0124-28441/M00042. It purportedly states that Ching is linked to HKG businessman called Heung Wa Wing who is the brother of Heung Wah Yim - a top leader of the notorious Sun Yee Onn Triad. Ching is reportedly also close to the "Five Dragons," a set of corrupt officers who fled Hong Kong for Canada. Ching has beendenied Visas to Canada and Australia and was barred from entering Sidnye during the Olympicsin 2004. Ching is also reportedly invloved in commodities traiding. he is also a Director of United Oriental Bank in NY and is into Real Estate and Media.


By the way, he can also be contacted at:

Broadwood Road, Happy Valley, HK
+852 2881 1997
+852 2881 0431

chinito_guy
06-29-2009, 06:15 PM
Count me in, Ako Mismo... ;D susuporta sa SBP at lahat ng layunin nila! Go RP Team, Tianjin China on August!

Joescoundrel
06-30-2009, 12:07 AM
I wonder if Graham Lim, with all of his Triad connections, is on some sort of Interpol or Homeland Security watch list. If he is, with or without a reward, we should alert all the authorities and turn him over. In case they do not know about his connections to the Triad, and the fact that he is a persona non grata in Australia for instance, perhaps we should tell them all about the lovable Mr Lim.



Actually, from some sources,Graham Lim's number supporter is Carl Ching Men-ky or Ching as he is known in FIBA. Ching was allegedly investigated in 1988 in a A$ 2M money laundering op in Sidney. He was tracked and videotaped in a Sidney hotel room where a heroine deal was being discussed. He is linked to triads (chinese mafia) in hkg, New York, Macau, Toronto, and Vancouver. Allegedly, there is a secret report from Canadian Immigration file number B0124-28441/M00042. It purportedly states that Ching is linked to HKG businessman called Heung Wa Wing who is the brother of Heung Wah Yim - a top leader of the notorious Sun Yee Onn Triad. Ching is reportedly also close to the "Five Dragons," a set of corrupt officers who fled Hong Kong for Canada. Ching has beendenied Visas to Canada and Australia and was barred from entering Sidnye during the Olympicsin 2004. Ching is also reportedly invloved in commodities traiding. he is also a Director of United Oriental Bank in NY and is into Real Estate and Media.


By the way, he can also be contacted at:

Broadwood Road, Happy Valley, HK
+852 2881 1997
+852 2881 0431


And this is the guy on the "special commission" set up by FIBA to "iron out" the "issues" in Philippine basketball...?

While they're at it why not invite Tim Donaghy to the commission...

CrossOver
06-30-2009, 10:02 AM
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POC stands by SBP in FIBA row
By Joaquin Henson
Updated June 30, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines – POC spokesman Joey Romasanta said yesterday the country’s Olympic organization fully supports the SBP as the duly-recognized National Sports Association (NSA) for basketball and saw no reason to doubt its backing by FIBA.

Romasanta said whether or not the SBP will accept the invitation to attend a FIBA special commission meeting in Geneva on July 20-22 is an internal matter and the POC has no involvement in the decision process. The meeting has been set to discuss compliance of the Bangkok Agreement which was forged two years ago to instill peace and unity in Philippine basketball, long ravaged by political turf wars.

POC president Jose Cojuangco Jr. is in Singapore and was not available for comment. He returns to Manila on Thursday. But Romasanta said before leaving, Cojuangco met with key SBP officers and assured them of the POC’s unconditional backing.

“I don’t think it will come down to another suspension by FIBA,” said Romasanta. “There is definitely no basis for another suspension as the SBP is doing a heckuva job. We are informed that a POC official signed a letter to FIBA in his capacity as a POC official in behalf of the BAP, the former NSA for basketball. We wish to make clear that the letter had no POC authority. The official signed the letter in his personal capacity.”

For the POC to recognize an organization other than the SBP as the NSA for basketball, there has to be cause for removal and a 2/3 vote of the General Assembly to install a replacement. The POC, in fact, followed that procedure in stripping the BAP of recognition and bestowing NSA status on the SBP.

The BAP has persistently bombarded FIBA with reports of alleged discord in Philippine basketball in an effort to regain its foothold but the SBP said it is the handiwork of disgruntled individuals with dubious motives.

To allay FIBA’s fears of a possible crisis situation, POC chairman Rep. Monico Puentevella called for a moratorium “as there seems to be a lot of speculative remarks that make the problem more complex and complicated.”

Puentevella said it’s unfortunate that certain unscrupulous individuals are trying to discredit the SBP for a selfish agenda.

“Some people are enjoying and capitalizing on this problem that keeps coming back,” said Puentevella referring to the leadership issue. “Let’s find out first what’s the real score – what and who’s the problem. I’d rather see Philippine basketball run like hell by Filipinos than heaven by foreigners.”

Puentevella referred to a high-profile BAP official, seeking to be reinstated to a position of prominence by FIBA, who has been issued a deportation order for being an overstaying alien with no proper residence papers.

Puentevella said there is no doubt the SBP has put Philippine basketball back on track in its mission to regain its once lofty position as an Asian power in only two years of existence.

“The SBP has restored the respect and prestige Philippine basketball has lost for sometime especially in the international arena,” said Puentevella. “Aside from joining the qualification for world and Olympic qualifying rounds, it’s also implementing a genuine grassroots program in the provinces and is even thinking of bidding to host the 2011 FIBA-Asia Championships.”

Puentevella justified the SBP’s concern about attending the Geneva meeting without knowing the terms of reference.

“We cannot blame the SBP for requesting the rules of the game before going to Geneva because the SBP has been doing what FIBA asked for in the last two years since (FIBA secretary-general) Mr. Patrick Baumann came to Manila,” said Puentevella. “Has the SBP done anything contrary? Since its formation, the SBP has spent millions to restore our credibility in joining international qualifying tournaments.”

Puentevella said by now, the SBP has become used to surviving storms.

“We’ve been in this situation before,” he said. “FIBA must first lay down the basis why a special commission has been formed just for the Philippines.”

Puentevella said in his capacity as POC chairman, he sent an urgent e-mail to Baumann a few days ago to express his sentiments about the unclear nature of the FIBA special commission.

Meanwhile, an SBP official said IOC senior member Frank Elizalde’s suggestion for the FIBA special committee to meet in Manila to “investigate” the leadership issue makes perfect sense.

“If only to ascertain the truth and gather the relevant evidence for the Geneva meeting in July, why doesn’t FIBA send a fact-finding team here first, headed by their lawyer (Ken Madsen) who is also a member of the special commission?” said the SBP official. “Then, we’d have a more informed and rational meeting.”


PhilStar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=482419&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

D_I_A
07-01-2009, 08:58 AM
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MVP ready to quit to avert FIBA ban
Updated July 01, 2009 12:00 AM

– Lito A. Tacujan




MANILA, Philippines - Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) president Manny V. Pangilinan will not hesitate to step down if it is the only way to save the Philippines from another FIBA (International Basketball Federation) suspension and called its three-man inquiry into the leadership row as a “moro-moro” (charade).

“National interest comes first,” said Pangilinan, also the telecoms top man.

He said if the FIBA decision would be “inimical to the interest of Philippine basketball and the country, if this is the way to save Philippine basketball, so be it, I’m ready to resign.”

However, Pangilinan said the FIBA, which has formed a special commission to look into the leadership dispute in RP basketball this month in Geneva, must come out with a “final and categorical resolution and say that this is what they want. If they want to return the old group, then say so. Huwag na tayo mag-moro-moro (let’s stop this charade).”

Pangilinan made the disclosure Monday night together with Misamis Oriental Gov. Oscar Moreno, the SBP chairman, vice-chair Ricky Vargas, executive director Noli Eala and technical assistant Pato Gregorio.

Patrick Baumann, the secretary general of the FIBA, has formed a special body made up of FIBA secretary general emeritus Boris Stankovic, FIBA-Asia president Carl Men Ky and FIBA legal counsel Larry Madsen to “investigate” the controversy between the SBP and the discredited BAP (Basketball Association of the Phils.) and ordered the two sides to a meeting in Geneva July 20-22.

“Tell me what the charges are so we can prepare for it. If they’re ready to make a decision then talk to us. If they want us to quit so that RP doesn’t get suspended, then we’ll go,” said Pangilinan.

The SBP, however, said it would not attend the meeting and maintained the three-man body remained unclear on the complaints and mandate and urged the FIBA to send the panel to a fact-finding mission to Manila.

“Rather than call us to Geneva for a meeting, FIBA should instead send its special commission to Manila to check on the real situation of basketball in the country. Talk to the stakeholders, go to the SEC (Securities Exchange Commission), check with our records in the courts. Observe our program and compare it with the BAP’s because we’re not afraid of what they’ll find out,” Pangilinan said.

At the same time, MVP said that the creation of the FIBA special commission has no basis. “Contrary to the BAP’s claim, Philippine basketball is not in disarray. All our programs are in place and our national teams are getting ready to compete. Where’s the problem?”

He also disputed allegation that the SBP failed to follow or implement the Bangkok agreement, saying they have reported their compliance to the international federation a number of times. “So why can’t the FIBA accept this? We are their federation. Why listen to disgruntled individuals?” he said.

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Guys time to move!!!

OPLAN SAVE PHIL BASKETBALL!!!

Joescoundrel
07-01-2009, 09:34 PM
To the SBP: WALANG AYAWAN!

insulares
07-02-2009, 03:39 AM
I agree! Walang aayaw, basta away lang laban sa mga tuta ng BAP!

The SBP in its infancy is just now learning how to walk. Let's not risk the future of this promising young kid to the BAP rapists and butchers headed by Graham Lim, Go Teng Kok and their minions.

Mr. MVP, please carry on with good fight. With great power comes great responsibility. Quitting now is not part of that responsibility. Rather, the SBP should ensure that the many positives gained in the last 2 years are sustained and do not go down in shambles. Thank you and long live the SBP and Philippine basketball!!!

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Sports officials back SBP, MVP

By REY LACHICA and NICK GIONGCO
July 1, 2009

Top sports officials rallied behind the Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas and asked other basketball stakeholders to do the same as the country faces possible suspension from the international federation following FIBA’s decision to hear complaints of alleged non-compliance with the Bangkok Agreement that created the SBP.

Officials of the Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) and the Philippine Basketball League (PBL) led those who threw their support behind the leadership of SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan whose backing has put the country back on track to claim basketball respect in Asia.

“The PBL is fully behind the leadership of Pangilinan. We believe that his programs are all in place and what he’s doing are all for the betterment of basketball in the country,” said PBL chairman Mikee Romero, who also took his oath as the new president of the Philcycling (Integrated Cycling Federation of the Philippines) yesterday.

POC spokesperson Joey Romasanta said that the “POC is behind the SBP and I don’t see any reason why we would not support it.”

The statements of support came two days after Pangilinan declared that FIBA’s threat of suspension if the SBP officials fail to attend a meeting in Geneva to hear complaints reportedly made by officials of the Basketball Association of the Philippines.

Pangilinan questioned the creation of the special commission to investigate SBP, saying there was no basis for such. He also asked that the meeting called by FIBA on July 21 be moved after the FIBA-Asia championship in China so the Philippines can honor its obligations to the tournament.

Romero defended Pangilinan, saying the Philippines has a solid basketball program.

“If we’re talking of dedication and passion, MVP himself has proven that by putting his own millions in the SBP, he’s the most dedicated person in basketball in the whole country,” said Romero.

“We would never find a leader that would equal what he’s doing in basketball right now. So I ask other members of the SBP to show their full support behind MVP,” said Romero.

Romasanta said the SBP is doing what the FIBA wants in so far as developing Philippine basketball.

“In the past, the Philippines was accused of sending inferior teams that lost by as much as 60 points and now that the SBP is in charge, I don’t think our teams would lose again by such a wide margin,” said Romasanta.

“The SBP is precisely doing what the FIBA wants it to do.”

Romasanta said he feels the pain of Pangilinan, who has shelled out millions in order to bring back the glory of Philippine basketball.

The FIBA has called on Pangilinan and other basketball leaders to appear before that special committee from July 20 to 22 in its headquarters in Geneva to shed light on allegations that it has not lived up to an earlier agreement signed in Bangkok a couple of years ago.

The special committee is manned by officials with close links to the former officials of the BAP, fueling speculations that the FIBA is about to suspend the Philippines for the fourth time after doing so in 1963, 2001, and 2005 (until 2007).

Pangilinan suspects that the meeting was ill-timed since the special committee is out to slap a suspension on the Philippines, making it unable to take part in the FIBA-Asia championships to be held next month in Tianjin, China. The Philippines earned a berth to the FIBA-Asia after ruling the Southeast Asia Basketball Association tilt some weeks back and is aching to finish within the top three in China so it could get a ticket to the 2010 world championships in Turkey.

Pangilinan said he would only attend the Geneva meeting if it is moved after the FIBA-Asia.


http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/208795/sports-officials-back-sbp-mvp