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myktristan
09-08-2008, 10:23 AM
The Other Side
Bleacher's Brew
by Rick Olivares
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/09082008/sports08.html

Officiating is never easy and boy, is that an understatement. I tried it one time and sucked at it. Never again. Having said that, does that make me a more sympathetic person toward the zebras? In a way, but not necessarily so because the men who blow the whistles do it for a living and have done so for years. Is there room for error?

Definitely. I expect them to blow some but sometimes, I can’t seem to believe that most people saw it one way when they didn’t get the call right. In fact, I always thought that many of the calls went against my home blues team and it has deprived them of a legit shot to win a title or even advance in seasons past. There were times I railed at it and there were times when I thought that my team played bad, pure and simple.

This year the scrutiny on University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) men’s basketball officiating and its whistle blowers, Nabro, has been all the more intense. While I think that the calls are still the same as in seasons past—meaning it isn’t good—the reason it’s all the more under a microscope is that some teams that were the beneficiaries of calls before aren’t getting it this year. And I’d also say it is because of the manner in which the league commissioner has chosen to go about his duties in a more confrontational manner such as the incidents with staff of Adamson, Ateneo and University of Santo Tomas, to name a few.

On the other hand, it has become a convenient excuse to blame others for their troubles. So I decided to ask NABRO for their side (take note that I said their side, not anyone else’s because we’ve just about read about the others’ everywhere) in going about their job. I left out general discussions on why calls went this way because that was left on the basketball court, and I didn’t want to misquote anybody.

Suspend your belief and disbelief for the next few minutes. Just read it with an open mind then you can curse, offer your eyeglasses to them like that guy from La Salle did on Saturday, or pay them off if you think that’s what’s right for you. (The following is a transcript of the sentiments of six NABRO referees who will remain anonymous):

Mga ex-players kami. O kaya mga frustrated basketball players. Hindi lang pang-referee ang trabaho namin. ‘Yung iba sa amin pulis, fireman, overseas [foreign] worker, negosyante o architect. Pero lahat kami propesyonal kung sa ayaw niyong maniwala.

Bakit kami nagre-referee?

Kasi enjoy din kami sa basketball. Hangga’t maaari gusto namin mag-officiate ng magandang game. ‘Yung perfect game. Iba rin ‘yung magandang laro na kasama kami. ‘Yun ang high namin na kahit paano bahagi kami ng magandang laro. Pero hindi nga rin naman kami perpekto. Nagkakamali din kami. Hindi excuse ‘yun pero pinapanood namin ‘yung mga laro at ‘yung mga tapes ng bawat laro. We look at our mistakes. We talk and try to make sure that we get better. Mayroon kaming mga taripa na sinusundan.

Mahirap din ’yung trabaho dahil wala kang panalo. Kahit ’yung nanalong team sisisihin ka sa mga tawag.

Tanong nga ng misis ko, bakit gusto ko ‘yung ganitong propesyon, eh puro batikos naman kami? ‘Pag nagkamali, pati anak namin nagtatanong, “Pa, bakit ganun, eh wala naman foul?”

Pinagsasabihan kami. You have to make quick decisions all the time. Pero base sa mga taripa ng officiating guidelines namin, meron kaming tinitignan na hindi alam ng mga nanonood. Mahirap din para sa kanila kasi pagdating sa iskwela, tinutukso sila na benta raw papa nila. Kahit sa dyaryo walang pahinga sa mga batikos. Naririnig namin ‘yung mga mura at insulto pero trained kami na hindi magpakita ng emosyon o reaksyon. Paminsan-minsan nag re-react kami pero kailangan hangga’t maari ‘wag kasi makaka-apekto ng laro. Kapag nagkamali kami, hindi namin agad nakakalimutan. Ilang araw din bago mawala sa isipan namin. ‘Nung na-garahe ’yung isang kasama namin gawa ng laro ng FEU at La Salle, siyempre apektado kami. At ‘yung second-round game ng Ateneo at NU, ayun, naka-garahe na ’yung dalawang ref sa laro na ‘yun dahil sa failure to control the game [the match was way physical with a lot of trash talking]. So we also have our fears. Parang natatakot kami mag-second guess sa mga tawag namin.

Mismo nga NBA [National Basketball Association] o [Philippine Basketball Association] PBA; kahit [Philippine basketball League] PBL hindi rin perfect ‘yung mga tawag. Mahirap din. But someone has to do the job, ika nga. Nakapanood na ba kayo ng laro—kahit saan, anumang liga—na walang nagpropotesta sa tawag? ‘Yung Olympics nga sobrang daming no-call. Masyado lang mainit kasi lahat gusto manalo at maraming team kasi may chance umabot ng Final Four this year.

Mga bayarin daw kami?

Subukan kaya nila magpunta sa mga bahay namin. Tignan din nila mga player nila. Matagal na kami sa basketbol. Marami kaming napupuna pero tahimik lang kami. Kasi maaring hindi naman ‘ganun talaga ‘yung pangyayari di ba? So, sa amin na lang ‘yun. Minsan lang kami magpalitan ng obserbasyon ng mga ‘to. Tignan mo minsan ‘yung tira, porma, galaw, o kilos. ‘Yung iba dyan araw-araw nag-eensayo pero ganyan ang laro. Bakit hindi nila tanungin ‘yung mga players nila?

‘Yung mga reaksyon ng mga coach? Oo, nagrereklamo sila pero, at the same time, tactic nila yan. Para ma-technical o kaya kunin ‘yung suporta ng crowd nila.

Nagpapatapon ‘yung iba tulad ng isa. Bakit kasi lahat ay nagawa niya na para sa koponan niya tapos ayaw pa rin mag-responde. ‘Yung isa tatakbo sa court, kunwari aawat pero at the same time may sinasabi tungkol sa player ng kalaban nilang team. May mga taripa kaming sinusundan tungkol sa laro. ‘Yun ang sinusundan namin.
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Fellow Gamefacers, comments or violent reactions? After all, they are still human...To err is human, to forgive is...Well, it's another story...

Dark Knight
09-08-2008, 07:04 PM
Did i read it right, theres a referee thats also an architect?

Boy, we have to hire the whistle blowers from the NBA. ;D

THE ONLOOKER
09-08-2008, 11:45 PM
What do you call the refs who didn't gave a technical foul to the team with six players inside the playing court?

Businessmen.

mangtsito
09-16-2008, 02:59 PM
Pwedeng i-submit sa "Maala-ala Mo Kaya". ;D

dieselbirdie
09-16-2008, 11:43 PM
The thing that baffles me is the ref said that why don't you look at your players instead of pinning everything on us. Doesn't it mean that they do know something i.e. they are just confirming the fact that game fixing is prevalent?

If you talk to people who have ties in Binondo, they say bookies and the bangkas have a list of players, referees and coaches who are on the take. Everything seems to just fall into place regarding gambling in the UAAP.

One more thing... some superstar NCAA player from a F4 team was supposedly picked up by the NBI last Saturday on allegations of game fixing. He was released after a long interrogation. On the UAAP side of things several referees are supposedly undergoing or will undergo the same tactical interrogation. :-\ ??? :o

Wang-Bu
09-17-2008, 10:52 AM
Sa tagal ko na sa laro ako naman ay nag-iisip kung papano gawain ng referee. Iba-iba din 'yan. Sa PBL andaming let-go, sa PBA iba ang let-go sa hindi let-go, sa NCAA mas mahalaga na dere-derecho ang laro, sa UAAP naman nanaan ang pito ng referee.

Manlalaro, koponana at coach na ang dapat mag-adjust sa ganyan. Alangan namang pa-kidnap mo referee tapos takutin mo para lang mag-iba sila. Dapat ang koponan at manlalaro ng mag-adjust.

Gaya na lang sa kaso ng JRU kapag nadayo sa UE tapos NABRO referee sa mga tuneup namin. Hirap mga taga-JRU kasi sanay silang maraming let-go sa NC tapos itong si NABRO nana kung makapito.

abcdef
09-17-2008, 11:21 AM
Pero guys have you seen how they call the games in international games? Di ba masaya tayo na ganun yung klase ng tawag. Walang flop makikita mo talaga yung galing ng player. Pero siyempre yung laro sa atin sa UAAP at NCAA they are considered boys pa rin kaya ok ang flop at yung non call=mura from the fans.

Nag referee na din ako at sa maliliit na liga lang at totoo yung sinasabi ng NABRO ref na yan PERO bakit after reviewing their tapes walang pag babago na nagyayari. Sa amin sa NCAA enjoy kasi relatively wala kaming pron sa ref but when you see the way they call it in the UAAP merong problema talag kasi di nag babago at walang improvement each game. Kung baga part ng pag katalo ang referee.

stonecold316
09-17-2008, 05:54 PM
May mga bayaran diyan. sos.
:D :D :D

Mighty_Alumnus
09-17-2008, 08:05 PM
Hmmmm... just heard an FEU player started pointing his fingers on refs and players from both leagues (NC an UA) which lead to the arrest or questioning of a high profile player from the NC. And yes... referees are going to be plucked because supposedly the "list' is out. One manager / school owner is also in hot water.

It's final 4 and I do not know if any of these will breakout on the news.

bg_eagle
09-19-2008, 01:52 PM
‘Yung isa tatakbo sa court, kunwari aawat pero at the same time may sinasabi tungkol sa player ng kalaban nilang team."

Isa pa lang ang alam kong tumakbo sa court para umawat at tinawagan ng Tech. Siya kaya yun?

glock23
09-19-2008, 04:13 PM
Hmmmm... just heard an FEU player started pointing his fingers on refs and players from both leagues (NC an UA) which lead to the arrest or questioning of a high profile player from the NC. And yes... referees are going to be plucked because supposedly the "list' is out. One manager / school owner is also in hot water.

It's final 4 and I do not know if any of these will breakout on the news.


Hope it does! ;D

gfy
09-23-2008, 02:34 AM
I asked a NABRO ref how the refs are selected for this finals. He told me that there's a pool of 8 refs. Ang mga pangalan nila ay bubunotin nina Coach Norman, Coach Franz and Commisioner Narvasa. Tig-iisang bunot.

Mateen Cleaves
09-25-2008, 06:50 PM
Sa tagal ko na sa laro ako naman ay nag-iisip kung papano gawain ng referee. Iba-iba din 'yan. Sa PBL andaming let-go, sa PBA iba ang let-go sa hindi let-go, sa NCAA mas mahalaga na dere-derecho ang laro, sa UAAP naman nanaan ang pito ng referee.


Parang binasa ata ito ng mga UAAP ref kanina... at pinanindigan! ;D

shyboy
09-25-2008, 09:17 PM
Sa tagal ko na sa laro ako naman ay nag-iisip kung papano gawain ng referee. Iba-iba din 'yan. Sa PBL andaming let-go, sa PBA iba ang let-go sa hindi let-go, sa NCAA mas mahalaga na dere-derecho ang laro, sa UAAP naman nanaan ang pito ng referee.


Parang binasa ata ito ng mga UAAP ref kanina... at pinanindigan!* ;D

Nanaan talaga kanina. Ang daming tawag samin. Binugbog kami sa tawag nung 4th quarter.

oca
09-26-2008, 10:48 AM
IMO, as far as Game 2 officiating was called, it was consistent. Calls made early in the game, were calls at the end of the game. It went both ways. DLSU may have more to say about it, but the fact is Raba was in foul trouble early than any player from both teams.

But there was something patently wrong in the officiating in this game.

They never officiated any game before this in that manner!

At random, go over the elims, play-off and F4 games. Those reach-in and hand checks were never called they way it was called in Game 2. Hand-check fouls away from the ball ? Yes, the ball was in play at that side of the court. But not on the players where the foul was called. Malaki ang pinag-kaiba nun!

It is not my intent to insinuate that it favored ADMU or worked against DLSU, depending on which side you're on. My point is, the way calls were made leading to the C'ship sets the barometer by which the contending teams will calibrate their defenses.

Pag biglang binago mo yan, may madedehado.

Yes, it works both ways.

But in these titular match-up, DLSU was the underdog having an inferior offense. They have to rely more on defense to win. But the ref changed the calibration of the calls and it made things more difficult for the Archers.

But they can't use it as an excuse. If Jobe didn't deliver when Raba had to be seated due to those calls, it would have altered the complexion of the game and who knows how the game would have developed. It was evident Ateneo had more players to count on all season long.

The pre-game warnings on taunting and unsportsmanlike behavior are well taken. Walang issue dyan.

Pero the calls on "those contact fouls" ?

To change the calibration for Game 2, is imo, patently anomalous.

If these had gone to a Game 3, my opinion on Game 2 officiating would be the same.

bg_eagle
09-27-2008, 05:03 PM
IMO, as far as Game 2 officiating was called, it was consistent. Calls made early in the game, were calls at the end of the game. It went both ways. DLSU may have more to say about it, but the fact is Raba was in foul trouble early than any player from both teams.

But there was something patently wrong in the officiating in this game.

They never officiated any game before this in that manner!

At random, go over the elims, play-off and F4 games. Those reach-in and hand checks were never called they way it was called in Game 2. Hand-check fouls away from the ball ? Yes, the ball was in play at that side of the court. But not on the players where the foul was called. Malaki ang pinag-kaiba nun!

It is not my intent to insinuate that it favored ADMU or worked against DLSU, depending on which side you're on. My point is, the way calls were made leading to the C'ship sets the barometer by which the contending teams will calibrate their defenses.

Pag biglang binago mo yan, may madedehado.

Yes, it works both ways.

But in these titular match-up, DLSU was the underdog having an inferior offense. They have to rely more on defense to win. But the ref changed the calibration of the calls and it made things more difficult for the Archers.

But they can't use it as an excuse. If Jobe didn't deliver when Raba had to be seated due to those calls, it would have altered the complexion of the game and who knows how the game would have developed. It was evident Ateneo had more players to count on all season long.

The pre-game warnings on taunting and unsportsmanlike behavior are well taken. Walang issue dyan.

Pero the calls on "those contact fouls" ?

To change the calibration for Game 2, is imo, patently anomalous.

If these had gone to a Game 3, my opinion on Game 2 officiating would be the same.


Not trying to start an argument and I probably won't respond to this discussion since all is moot. But in truth, DLSU gets away with murder most of the time. They cause turnovers not through clean steals but through hand checks that forces the ball loose. Just ask FEU.

You have your point that they changed the way they called the game. To a certain extent, I have to agree. But they changed it to improve how the game should be played and both teams were informed well in advance that calls will be tight. It is hardly fair for any ball handler that his defender is holding down his hand or that his defender is bumping him out of bounds without any fouls being called. These are real fouls that DLSU used to get away with including game 1.

Are the fouls that were called real fouls? Yes. The calls were consistent throughout the game. The archers could not adjust because what the call defense is really to bump and hold leading to steals and turnovers. The referees just caught on.

little agma
09-27-2008, 08:00 PM
IMO, as far as Game 2 officiating was called, it was consistent. Calls made early in the game, were calls at the end of the game. It went both ways. DLSU may have more to say about it, but the fact is Raba was in foul trouble early than any player from both teams.

But there was something patently wrong in the officiating in this game.

They never officiated any game before this in that manner!

At random, go over the elims, play-off and F4 games. Those reach-in and hand checks were never called they way it was called in Game 2. Hand-check fouls away from the ball ? Yes, the ball was in play at that side of the court. But not on the players where the foul was called. Malaki ang pinag-kaiba nun!

It is not my intent to insinuate that it favored ADMU or worked against DLSU, depending on which side you're on. My point is, the way calls were made leading to the C'ship sets the barometer by which the contending teams will calibrate their defenses.

Pag biglang binago mo yan, may madedehado.

Yes, it works both ways.

But in these titular match-up, DLSU was the underdog having an inferior offense. They have to rely more on defense to win. But the ref changed the calibration of the calls and it made things more difficult for the Archers.

But they can't use it as an excuse. If Jobe didn't deliver when Raba had to be seated due to those calls, it would have altered the complexion of the game and who knows how the game would have developed. It was evident Ateneo had more players to count on all season long.

The pre-game warnings on taunting and unsportsmanlike behavior are well taken. Walang issue dyan.

Pero the calls on "those contact fouls" ?

To change the calibration for Game 2, is imo, patently anomalous.

If these had gone to a Game 3, my opinion on Game 2 officiating would be the same.


Not trying to start an argument and I probably won't respond to this discussion since all is moot.* But in truth, DLSU gets away with murder most of the time.* They cause turnovers not through clean steals but through hand checks that forces the ball loose.* Just ask FEU.*

You have your point that they changed the way they called the game.* To a certain extent, I have to agree.* But they changed it to improve how the game should be played and both teams were informed well in advance that calls will be tight.* It is hardly fair for any ball handler that his defender is holding down his hand or that his defender is bumping him out of bounds without any fouls being called.* These are real fouls that DLSU used to get away with including game 1.*

Are the fouls that were called real fouls?* Yes.* The calls were consistent throughout the game.* The archers could not adjust because what the call defense is really to bump and hold leading to steals and turnovers.* The referees just caught on.


i would have to agree with this to some extent. the thing is, if you would watch the game again very closely, you would notice that we also had our own share of "bumps" from the eagles that were not called. fine with me actually, it's just that if the refs decide to let it go, they should let it go the whole game and not all of a sudden become whistle-happy. i believe the hand-check rule has been implemented more strictly this season, a disadvantage for us but still i know we have to adjust. however, once the refs show leniency with handchecks and bumps, they should do so the rest of the game. if we'll go back to the 4th quarter, so many touch fouls on us yet those over-the-back rebounds by baclao and our drives to the basket that had contact were not called.

rico's index/middle finger incident is another issue altogether...

anyway, just want to know from you guys, how do we draw the line on whether a player is taunting or not and when do you think should the refs call a technical on it? i feel that this could also be another gray area of sorts...

john_paul_manahan
09-27-2008, 11:20 PM
i think it is a gray area.

as for the referees' calls, parang the hail mary squad made sure that they got away with it (meaning: they knew how to hide it) as well as ensured that the archers got caught with their actions...

but still, a team has to adjust to the nature of the officiating and stop whining.