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jpmalpas
09-06-2008, 03:26 PM
Guys, help me pls, hindi ko kasi maintindihan yung quotient system, kung pano ang formula nya, incase na mag tie ang SSC-R, MIT, JRU, CSJL sa end ng elims, anung team ba ang pinakamataas na quotient at anu naman ang pinakamababa? :-\

Regular Grey
09-07-2008, 07:41 AM
article of joey villar in the Philippine Star

Sports
Top 5 brace for berth in NC Final 4
By Joey Villar
Sunday, September 7, 2008


The 84th NCAA basketball tournament is headed for a wild and wooly finish.

Whatever happens in the San Beda-Letran showdown on Wednesday, at least three playoff games are needed to settle seedings in the Final Four.

A San Beda victory would mean the Lions automatically gain top seeding and the Knights are relegated into a four-way tie at second place with the Jose Rizal Bombers, San Sebastian Stags and Mapua Cardinals – all with 9-5 win-loss records.

To break the tie, the team with the highest quotient takes on the squad with the worst while No. 2 and No. 3 clash the first of two classification playoffs.

The winners battle for the No. 2 seeding while the losers slug it out in a do-or-die battle for the No. 4 seeding in the semifinals.
A Letran victory, on the other hand, would force a tie between the Knights and the Lions at No. 1 and a three-way logjam among the Bombers, the Stags and the Cardinals at No. 3.

In this scenario, both Letran and San Beda would be assured of the twice-to-beat incentive but they would still settle the No. 1 spot in a playoff.

The last two spots would be contested by San Sebastian, Jose Rizal and Mapua in a series of playoffs.



http://philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20080906152

jpmalpas
09-07-2008, 09:34 AM
^- Ok, magkakaron pala ng parang Final 4 format ang 4 na teams na tabla. Thanks. :D

coreytaylor
09-07-2008, 10:06 AM
NCAA: Fiba rule to decide ‘Final 5’
By Cedelf P. Tupas
Philippine Daily Inquirer

MANILA, Philippines—Might as well call it the Final Five.

The NCAA will use the Fiba classification point system to settle one of the tightest Final Four races in league history.

San Beda and Letran could end up tied for the No. 1 slot but there is also the possibility of having four teams ending up deadlocked for the last three slots with similar 9-5 records.

The Lions could wrap up the top spot and the twice-to-beat incentive that goes with it if they win on Wednesday against the Knights, who could drop into a four-way tie with San Sebastian, Mapua and Jose Rizal.

In this case, San Sebastian will play Jose Rizal and Mapua will battle Letran with the winners playing off for the No. 2 seed and the twice-to-beat-edge and the loser automatically clinching the third seed.

The losing teams will also play in another knockout match to determine the No. 4 team.

If the Knights prevail, they will play San Beda again in a playoff for the top spot, leaving SSC, Mapua and JRU to fight for the two remaining spots.

In case of a three-way tie at 9-5, Mapua and JRU will square off in a do-or-die match with the winner facing San Sebastian for the No. 3 seed.

oca
09-07-2008, 03:35 PM
It was mentioned last night on HardBall that there will be 3 playoff games if SBC will win.

And offcourse kikita na naman ang ABS-CBN.* ;D


Well, ABS-CBN had no hand in this one, if such will be the case.

In principle, no team shall be eliminated base solely on a quotient tie break system. That's what both the UAAP and NCAA have been practicing for the longest time now.

Pag may triple or quadruple tie, they just have to determine the initial match-up or pairings, then the teams will have to gut it out on the court. To determine the order and/or pairings, they resort to the quotient system as provided in FIBA rules.

FIBA rules call for the outright elimination of teams with inferior quotients.* Pero iba ang FIBA competition, limited ang days ng competition. Predetermined ang number of games to be played. They have to abide by that for logistical purposes. Such is the nature of international competitions. Iba ang local collegiate games in this respect.

If anyone insist on strict adherance to FIBA rules in breaking ties, would you want your fave team to get kicked out base on the digits that would appear on a calculator?

Ang di ako sang-ayon ay yaong magkaroon pa ng play-off if there is a two-way tie for first. (Which will happen if Letran wins over San Beda on Wed.) It has no incentive for both teams, it exposes both to injuries and fatigue. If they are on top, they should be able to handle either of the 3rd and 4th placer with a twice-to-beat advantage.

Ganon rin kung may two way tie for the 3rd to 4th spots. Dapat pa ba maglaro para alamin who will play the 1st and 2nd seeded teams after the elims? Manalo ka man sa playoff na yan, kailangan mo pa rin talunin ang kalaban sa next phase ng dalawang beses. Pinagod mo lang ang sarili mo. I-quotient na lang.

Simply, kung placing lang ng teams for 1st and 2nd, or 3rd and 4th, quotient na lang ang gamitin. Kung 3-way or 4-way tie, maglaban ang bottom two, for I agree that no team should be eliminated base on a calculated figure. Yung nasa itaas ng 3-way at 4-way tie, give them free passage to the next phase. That's one way of giiving more importance to elimination round games.

Basta ang guiding principle ay ---- NO TEAM SHOULD BE ELIMINATED BASED ON QUOTIENT.

There must be a conscious effort not to have more games than necessary. The league should not be blatantly commercialized in any way.

-insane-
09-07-2008, 08:54 PM
mas maraming games mas maraming pera lalo na ngayon na pag may game ang ssc and mit marami na ring fans.
sigurado ngayong season ang pinakamalaking income

ESCALERA JR.
09-07-2008, 09:35 PM
It was mentioned last night on HardBall that there will be 3 playoff games if SBC will win.

And offcourse kikita na naman ang ABS-CBN.* ;D


Well, ABS-CBN had no hand in this one, if such will be the case.

In principle, no team shall be eliminated base solely on a quotient tie break system. That's what both the UAAP and NCAA have been practicing for the longest time now.

Pag may triple or quadruple tie, they just have to determine the initial match-up or pairings, then the teams will have to gut it out on the court. To determine the order and/or pairings, they resort to the quotient system as provided in FIBA rules.

FIBA rules call for the outright elimination of teams with inferior quotients.* Pero iba ang FIBA competition, limited ang days ng competition. Predetermined ang number of games to be played. They have to abide by that for logistical purposes. Such is the nature of international competitions. Iba ang local collegiate games in this respect.

If anyone insist on strict adherance to FIBA rules in breaking ties, would you want your fave team to get kicked out base on the digits that would appear on a calculator?

Ang di ako sang-ayon ay yaong magkaroon pa ng play-off if there is a two-way tie for first. (Which will happen if Letran wins over San Beda on Wed.) It has no incentive for both teams, it exposes both to injuries and fatigue. If they are on top, they should be able to handle either of the 3rd and 4th placer with a twice-to-beat advantage.

Ganon rin kung may two way tie for the 3rd to 4th spots. Dapat pa ba maglaro para alamin who will play the 1st and 2nd seeded teams after the elims? Manalo ka man sa playoff na yan, kailangan mo pa rin talunin ang kalaban sa next phase ng dalawang beses. Pinagod mo lang ang sarili mo. I-quotient na lang.

Simply, kung placing lang ng teams for 1st and 2nd, or 3rd and 4th, quotient na lang ang gamitin. Kung 3-way or 4-way tie, maglaban ang bottom two, for I agree that no team should be eliminated base on a calculated figure. Yung nasa itaas ng 3-way at 4-way tie, give them free passage to the next phase. That's one way of giiving more importance to elimination round games.

Basta ang guiding principle ay ---- NO TEAM SHOULD BE ELIMINATED BASED ON QUOTIENT.

There must be a conscious effort not to have more games than necessary. The league should not be blatantly commercialized in any way.



As Clear as the Light of Day.

I definitely agree with you oca!
... and hoping that mancom will read this and apply the above in resolving triple, quadruple ties.

lekiboy
09-08-2008, 08:00 AM
^ pasensya na bossing escalera- i think you shoudl prep for the quadruple tie for 2nd place already.... hehehe

eightyfiver
09-08-2008, 08:11 AM
First time ba ito nangyari sa history ng NCAA? Very unpredictable ito.

Wang-Bu
09-08-2008, 02:54 PM
Pera-pera lang 'yan.

Sa UAAP juniors quotient na lang ginamit para malaman sino Number 1 and 2. Ateneo Number 1 kasi plus-5 sila kontra Lasalle Zobel. Alam ko ganun din sa kaso ng Adamson at FEU FERN.

Lumalabas tuloy Ateneo-Adamson tapos Zobel-FERN, llamado sa twice-to-beat ang Ateneo at Lasalle.

Palibhasa hindi naman kita sa TV 'yan. Sa Arena ang Final 4 at Finals ng UAAP Juniors.

Sa kaso naman ng NCAA pinakamaganda para sa mga kaibigan nating Bedista manalo sila sa Miyerkoles para rambulan ang Letran, Baste, JRU at Mapua.

untamed
09-08-2008, 03:13 PM
if san beda will win on wednesday. mas pabor sa kanila ito. medyo matagal sila magpapahinga at makakapagprepare. medyo drain dito yung #3 & # 2 team. may knockout game na nga, after nyan may best of three series to determine the 2nd spot. panu pa kung nasagad ito into 3 games and after that may final four pa. then championships after.

di ko alam kung magiging disadvantage ito sa kanila due to fatigue factor. but last year sa uaap naging advantage ng dlsu against ue na 3 weeks nagpahinga. ang resulta championship for dlsu...

untamed
09-08-2008, 03:14 PM
^^^
IMHO napakadeserving naman kung sakali dito mangaling yung champion.

-insane-
09-08-2008, 05:53 PM
if san beda will win on wednesday. mas pabor sa kanila ito. medyo matagal sila magpapahinga at makakapagprepare. medyo drain dito yung #3 & # 2 team. may knockout game na nga, after nyan may best of three series to determine the 2nd spot. and after that may final four pa, panu if both games nasagad into 3 games each. then championships after.

di ko alam kung magiging disadvantage ito sa kanila due to fatigue factor. but last year sa uaap naging advantage ng dlsu against ue na 3 weeks nagpahinga. ang resulta championship for dlsu...


sir yung best of 3 po ng #2 and #3 kung sino mananalo dun yun na ang papasok sa finals

ESCALERA JR.
09-08-2008, 08:05 PM
^ pasensya na bossing escalera- i think you shoudl prep for the quadruple tie for 2nd place already.... hehehe




pareng lekiboy, we are prepared for any eventuality...but first and foremost is the game on Wed.

Guess who will explode for the Knights this time? will it be guevarra? or belencion? or rj and dino daa? maybe kojack melegrito? Maybe all of the above...or for maximum effect sana si coach alas na lang.!! ;D

o di kaya ang Araneta coliseum na lang ang pumotok sa dami ng tao.

Lets all have fun ;)

wolfy
09-08-2008, 09:40 PM
Its a good thing that "no team will be eliminated just because of an iferior quotient"

kasi dati, (correct me if im wrong) para kasing natatandaan ko na natanggal/naeliminate dati ang stags because of its poor quotient. may nakakaalala po ba nun?* ???

-insane-
09-08-2008, 10:01 PM
tama ka escalera paputukin natin ang araneta mga letranista and bedista full force na dapat hehehe sama na din ung mga taga ibang school na manunuod ng CDC kelangan talunin natin yung attendance nung CDC ng UAAP nung sunday na 23k

arriba letran
animo san beda

gelaibabydoll
09-08-2008, 10:45 PM
tama ka escalera paputukin natin ang araneta mga letranista and bedista* full force na dapat hehehe sama na* din ung mga taga* ibang school na manunuod ng CDC kelangan talunin natin yung attendance nung CDC ng UAAP nung sunday na 23k

arriba letran
animo san beda



malamang, yung ibang manonood ng cheerdance from other schools, hindi magsisi-uwi agad dahil exciting naman talaga manood ng game! yun lang... magkakaroon ba ng kampihan? hehehe...

-insane-
09-09-2008, 02:50 PM
tama ka escalera paputukin natin ang araneta mga letranista and bedista* full force na dapat hehehe sama na* din ung mga taga* ibang school na manunuod ng CDC kelangan talunin natin yung attendance nung CDC ng UAAP nung sunday na 23k

arriba letran
animo san beda



malamang, yung ibang manonood ng cheerdance from other schools, hindi magsisi-uwi agad dahil exciting naman talaga manood ng game! yun lang... magkakaroon ba ng kampihan? hehehe...


hehehe kung magkakaron ng kampihan sigurado lahat kakampi sa SBC kasi gusto nila na sumama ang letran sa playoff ng may 9-5 slate

easter
09-09-2008, 03:37 PM
??? Is this the first time since ABS-CBN got the coverage that the UAAP will end earlier than the NCAA?

jpmalpas
09-09-2008, 03:58 PM
Mauuna parin atang matapos ang NCAA, check nyo ang website ng Araneta Coliseum, naka set dun na ang Finals ng NCAA ay sa 26, samantalang ang sa UAAP naman ay 28. :D

-insane-
09-09-2008, 09:24 PM
san elimination ngayon lang ata nangyari yun na nauna yung uaap matapos kesa sa ncaa

abcdef
09-10-2008, 10:27 PM
So here it is:

Letran versus Mapua

San Sebastian versus JRU

redz16
09-11-2008, 06:37 PM
So here it is:

Letran versus Mapua

San Sebastian versus JRU




Will this be televised on Monday on Studio 23?

Rafiboy_05
09-11-2008, 06:46 PM
ang alam ko televise na kasi sabi ni bill velasco kahapon "see you on monday"

joelex
09-11-2008, 07:09 PM
pa post naman ng F4 and finals sched. :)

-insane-
09-11-2008, 09:11 PM
wala pa po f4 sched kasi may quarterfinals muna bago masimulan yung final 4

Rafiboy_05
09-11-2008, 10:06 PM
pa post naman ng F4 and finals sched.* :)


dito meron, date at venue pa nga lang, wala pa yung teams na magkakalaban

http://www.aranetacoliseum.com/2006/event.php?t=all

-insane-
09-12-2008, 11:42 PM
dapat sa araneta nalang lahat para masaya ang baho kasi sa cuneta

gelaibabydoll
09-13-2008, 12:04 AM
dapat sa araneta nalang lahat para masaya ang baho kasi sa cuneta


AMEN. ;)

jpmalpas
09-13-2008, 09:10 AM
Mas gusto ko sana sa Araneta eh, pero kung Cuneta, wala tayong magagawa, pero tingin ko Araneta parin yang Final 4/Finals, ang layo kasi masyado ng Cuneta, nakakatamad pumunta.

-insane-
09-13-2008, 09:52 AM
sigurado yan sa final 4 araneta na

gelaibabydoll
09-13-2008, 08:36 PM
^ sure na talaga? good! mas madali magtago sa camera sa Araneta ... para si ako makita ng boss ko ;) muntik na ko mabuking nung last na panood ko sa Cuneta eh, nakita ako ng officemate ko... hehehe

TAKAS MODE - ON!

jayverns
09-13-2008, 10:48 PM
may possibility nga na sa Cuneta, kasi siguro basis nila yung Final 4 last year na nilangaw ang Araneta.

-insane-
09-14-2008, 12:16 PM
hindi naman nilangaw yung f4 last year yung 3schools madami talagang nagpunta yung sa mapua lang talaga ang walang nagpunta kasi sakto yun ng finals week nila siguro ngayon mas marami na pupunta kasi mas intense yung f4 ngayon

King_stag
09-14-2008, 07:50 PM
Televised ba 'yung games bukas?

KingRedLion
09-15-2008, 03:13 AM
Televised ba 'yung games bukas?


it should be. ABS-CBN would be crazy not to have it televised. though for sure maraming manonood live, mas sigurado na mas maraming manonood sa tv lang, esp if bumuhos heavy rain.

should be exciting to see these teams strut their stuff and duke it out for the right to move on to the next bigger stage.

¡ánimo San Beda!

reforms
09-15-2008, 07:03 AM
speaking of abscbn- with the uaap finals already set, i just hope that they consider giving one weekend slot for the ncaa. para naman masmarami makanood na alumni at students. hirap kasi talaga magfile ng biglaan leave sa office e. profit din naman nila un.

sana maisip nila un. imagine- sat-- uaap finals, sun- ncaa finals. pwde diba?