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danny
02-12-2008, 09:12 AM
Differences and similarities in organizational structure, membership and powers.

Since one of the main program of the BAP-SBP is the men's national basketball tournment, is it fair to compare the BAP-SBP to the US NCAA ? Should there be any comparison at all?

JonarSabilano
02-12-2008, 09:29 AM
Differences and similarities in organizational structure, membership and powers.

Since one of the main program of the BAP-SBP is the men's national basketball tournment, is it fair to compare the BAP-SBP to the US NCAA ? Should there be any* comparison at all?


1) The US NCAA covers all sports. BAP-SBP covers only basketball but includes youth programs.

2) The US NCAA is organized into conferences, which offer a particular set of sports. Some conferences have basketball and football, others do not have football and some are football-only conferences, such as the Gateway Football Conference. The BAP-SBP has for its stakeholders the PBA, PBL, UAAP, and NCAA, among others, but its jurisdiction covers only basketball.

3) The mandate of the US NCAA is to develop collegiate sports. Youth programs are under the wing of the Amateur Athletic Union and the local school boards.

danny
02-12-2008, 04:47 PM
1) The US NCAA covers all sports. BAP-SBP covers only basketball but includes youth programs.

2) The US NCAA is organized into conferences, which offer a particular set of sports. Some conferences have basketball and football, others do not have football and some are football-only conferences, such as the Gateway Football Conference. The BAP-SBP has for its stakeholders the PBA, PBL, UAAP, and NCAA, among others, but its jurisdiction covers only basketball.

3) The mandate of the US NCAA is to develop collegiate sports. Youth programs are under the wing of the Amateur Athletic Union and the local school boards.



So this means that the the BAP-SBP is not in the position to promote collegiate sports given that their mandate is just basketball.

Then a simple question arises. Why is there no Philippine association or federation similar to the US NCAA that promotes the different collegiate sports?

Is there a candidate organization that will serve as the focal point for pinoy collegiate games? Or should there be one on the first place?

JonarSabilano
02-12-2008, 04:57 PM
1) The US NCAA covers all sports. BAP-SBP covers only basketball but includes youth programs.

2) The US NCAA is organized into conferences, which offer a particular set of sports. Some conferences have basketball and football, others do not have football and some are football-only conferences, such as the Gateway Football Conference. The BAP-SBP has for its stakeholders the PBA, PBL, UAAP, and NCAA, among others, but its jurisdiction covers only basketball.

3) The mandate of the US NCAA is to develop collegiate sports. Youth programs are under the wing of the Amateur Athletic Union and the local school boards.



So does it means that the the BAP-SBP is not in the position to promote collegiate sports given that their mandate is just basketball?

Why is there no Philippine association or federation similar to the US NCAA that promotes the different collegiate sports?




Theoretically, the BAP-SBP is not in the position to promote collegiate sports as a whole; amateur sports falls under the jurisdiction of the CHEd, DepEd, the PSC, and the different NSAs.

I understand that the POC already has the Philippine Olympic Festival and the PSC/DepEd/CHEd has the Palarong Pambansa and University Games. However, the level of competition is not of the same level as the major collegiate leagues and, in fact, is a source of recruits for collegiate teams.

danny
02-12-2008, 05:07 PM
Talaga palang watak watak.

Is it really fair* to ask* the BAP-SBP to deliver a compelling* national collegiate basketball tournament* similar to the US NCAA's March Madness ?

Read a lot of posts regarding this ala-March Madness concept. Since the BAP-SBP's organiztional structure, mandate and powers are so different from the US NCAA, such idea seems to be just wishful thinking.

JonarSabilano
02-12-2008, 07:18 PM
Talaga palang watak watak.

Is it really fair* to ask* the BAP-SBP to deliver a compelling* national collegiate basketball tournament* similar to the US NCAA's March Madness ?

Read a lot of posts regarding this ala-March Madness concept. Since the BAP-SBP's organiztional structure, mandate and powers are so different from the US NCAA, such idea seems to be* just wishful thinking.



Watak-watak talaga. Sa mga hanay ng collegiate leagues pa lang, magulo na talaga. Imagine, the CUSA and NCRAA have a few members in common. In the Visayas, the CESAFI and VAAA also have common members. Plus, there are other leagues which are one-shot deals and exist only for the sake of having a trophy to play for. Other provinces and/or regions do not even have extant collegiate leagues of their own.

Hindi pa feasible ang magkaroon ng mala-March Madness right now. Leagues have to be established, rules have to be promulgated, the groundwork has to be laid first.

danny
02-13-2008, 01:40 AM
Correct.* All the references, all the talk, about a* March Madness type of event in Philippines are nothing but distractions.* March Madness is an NCAA Division I Championship series composed of 65 teams coming from the different US NCAA conference champions and "wild cards." Again, these conferences are under the US NCAA. There is nothing comparable to this in the Philippines.* *We do not have a national* association comparable to the US NCAA. The BAP-SBP is not the US NCAA. Expect nothing similar to a March Madness.

Who should start the ball rolling? Certainly not the commercially successful* Manila based leagues like the UAAP and the NCAA.*

There is actually something positive that the BAP-SBP can learn. They are in no position to force the issue, especially to the two commercially successful leagues. What then can the BAP-SBP do if their intention is really to have comparable association like the US NCAA? A unified* league, according to them, is a matter of national interest.


I say, start with all the other leagues who are willing to submit themselves to a national association or federation.* This might be the proper way for the other leagues and the right vehicle for the BAP-SBP to challenge the stature of* these two* "arrogant"* Imperial Manila based associations.*

If* on the other hand the the BAP-SBP itself is Manila-centric, then it is really up to the other leagues to proceed with the idea.* Otherwise, the two Manila leagues will continue to project their supposed "supremacy".

I just hope, the other leagues will really start the ball rolling. There is nothing to expect from Manila based associations who are unwilling to share the limelight and the income. Time for them to implement a Maoist strategy of encircling the city from the countryside. :D

danny
02-14-2008, 06:11 AM
Consider the following (please correct the mistakes):

1. There are* 329 basketball teams competing in Division I. There are 1,026 teams* if we include* Divisions II and III

2. These Division I* teams compete in* 38 different conferences around the country. Each conference will have their own respective conference champions who will advance to the next round.

3. To determine the NCAA champion, 65 teams compete in what is known as March Madness (instituted in 1939). These 65 teams are composed of the conference champions with* automatic bids and the rest thorugh invitation.

4. March Madness is divided into 4 * Regional brackets. South Regional, East Regional, West Regional and Midwest Regional.

5. The Final Four teams are the Champions of the four regional brackets.

Thus we have a conference champion, a regional champion and* the NCAA Basketball Champion. They started with 329 teams* from 38 different conferences. 65 teams during* March Madness and reduced to the Final Four.

From 329 basketball teams to only one NCAA champion.

Back at home, we expect the BAP-SBP to come up with a national champion of sorts with the same glitz and glamour of the US NCAA's March Madness. The BAP-SBP has no power, influence nor the proper brand for the task. This has been proven already.

The BAP-SBP organization cannot be compared to the* US NCAA. The initiative should come from the schools and* the willing leagues themselves.

GHRanger
02-15-2008, 09:58 AM
It would probably be a good idea for the SBP to focus on regional basketball... strengthen leagues who do not share the same popularity as the Manila Leagues. The Manila and Cebu leagues can run their leagues with minimal supervision.

The SBP would do well to target player rich areas with tall players like Iloilo, Zamboanga and Davao, North Luzon Areas (Pangasinan, etc.) This way they can put in the foundation for a really comprehensive and competitive "March Madness."