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amdgc82
01-13-2008, 02:28 PM
‘BAP no longer exists’
Sunstar Cebu
Sunday, January 13, 2008

BASKETBALL Association of the Philippines-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (BAP-SBP) president Manny V. Pangilinan wanted the issue about BAP to be finally put to bed, reiterating that the BAP was dissolved a year ago.

“I am issuing this statement to reach out to all basketball stakeholders to unite and support our national federation,” said Pangilinan.

This stemmed out after a supposedly dissolved BAP still continues to operate as of the moment and as a result is causing confusion. The most recent of which is the National Students Basketball Championship (NSBC), which BAP is staging here in Cebu next week and are enticing BAP-SBP schools to join.

Pangilinan reminded everyone in the basketball community of the joint communiqué that was agreed and signed upon by both BAP and then Pilipinas Basketball (PB) in Tokyo, Japan, in August of 2006.

“The joint communiqué, which was agreed and signed by both BAP and PB and witnessed by Fiba, made it clear that once a national association for basketball is established—which is now the BAP-SBP—both the BAP and PB will be dissolved and cease to operate.

“Any activity, program or event related to basketball and requiring national federation approval, must have the prior sanction of the BAP-SBP,” Pangilinan said in the statement.

Pangilinan also said the absence of sanction will make the activity, event or program unofficial. “Thus it is not approved by BAP-SBP and not sanctioned by Fiba. The world governing body of basketball,” he added.

The NSBC, which will take center stage on Jan. 22, had caused a stir in the Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation, a BAP-SBP stakeholder.

Three Cesafi-member schools reportedly confirmed their participation, but in a check with these schools as of yesterday, they remained uncertain of joining.

The Cesafi held a board meeting earlier this week, wherein an earlier board resolution regarding banning teams from joining non BAP-SBP-sanctioned competition was reinforced.

BAP and BAP-SBP region head Lorenzo “Chao” Sy also announced that teams from Universities Athletic Association of the Philippines and National Collegiate Athletic Association are joining.

This was, however, denied by BAP-SBP official Patrick Greogrio. “He should ask these schools if they are joining. Because as far as I know they are not,” he said.

Sun.Star Cebu sought Sy for comment, but calls went unanswered.

Like the Cesafi, both the UAAP and NCAA are stakeholders of BAP-SBP. (MCB)

amdgc82
01-13-2008, 02:30 PM
Just heating up
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 08:53am (Mla time) 01/13/2008

Just when everyone thought that the conflict is over, it seems that the word war has heated up between leaders of the Basketball Association of the Philippines and the BAP-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

The ongoing conflict stemmed after reports that schools from BAP-SBP stakeholder Cebu Schools athletics Foundation were keen on joining the Cebu Zonals of the National Students Basketball Championships, scheduled to start on Jan. 22 at the Cebu Coliseum.

The Cesafi then came up with a consensus to bar its member schools from joining the BAP-sanctioned tournament during a meeting Wednesday, citing that its teams should only participate in BAP-SBP tournaments.

A separate meeting Friday hosted by BAP-SBP province director Lorenzo “Chao” Sy ended with three Cesafi teams showing interest in joining the tournament.

The three are the University of San Carlos (USC), University of the Visayas (UV) and Southwestern University (SWU), although SWU athletic director Ryan Aznar said that they have not even discussed the topic yet.

Yesterday, a press statement which was coursed through BAP-SBP executive director Patrick Gregorio from BAP-SBP president Manny V. Pangilinan read, “The Joint Communique agreed and signed by both BAP and PB and witnessed by FIBA, in Tokyo in August of 2006 makes it clear that once a national association for basketball is established which is not the BAP-SBP, both the BAP and the Pilipinas Basketball will be dissolved and cease to operate.”

Pangilinan also added, “Any activity, program or any event related to basketball and requiring national federation approval must have prior sanction of the BAP-SBP, the absence of which will make such an event or any activity, unofficial and thus not approved by BAP-SBP and not sanctioned by FIBA, the world governing body of basketball.”

HELPING THE SPORT AND FEDERATION

Gregorio called for propriety with regards to the support being given to basketball.

“I have nothing against Chao Sy. In fact, I respect his passion and dedication to the sport of basketball. But we have to look at it from a different perspective. In trying to help the sport, are we also helping the federation? Because what we are trying to do here is to advance our goals not just on the national scene but more importantly, on the international stage as well.”

But Pangilinan's statement drew flak from the BAP.

“They want BAP to abide by the agreement but they are not keeping their side of the bargain. They are not recognizing Cong. (Luis) Villafuerte as BAP-SBP Chairman, among other things,” BAP external lawyer Atty. Romeo Magtanong said in a text message relayed by Sy.

“They want to be technical, then let's be technical. There were no articles of consolidation executed by the parties, therefore the respective juridical personalities of both BAP and PB were not extinguished. For all legal intents and purposes, BAP is still alive and kicking,” Magtanong added.

BAP secretary-general Graham Lim also had something to say regarding the issue. “Tingnan muna nila ang sarili nila sa salamin,” he said referring to Pangilinan's call to abide the joint communique.

THE SHOW MUST GO ON

UV, meanwhile, also softened its stance about its participation.

“As a coach, all I want is for our team to gain experience and what better way to have that than compete. But if BAP-SBP comes up with a resolution asking us not to compete, then we will respect that and not join,” said head coach Elmer “Boy” Cabahug.

The three which showed intent of joining the Cebu Zonals—UV, USC and SWU—are the same teams which defied Cesafi's resolution 01s.2007, barring them from joining the Visayas Amateur Athletic Association (VAAA) men's basketball tournament last year.

The three teams are still competing in the ongoing VAAA tournament.

Sy, however, shrugged off the latest stand of UV and SWU.

“As I have said earlier, it will not be a problem if there will be no Cesafi teams joining since I have already expressed that I am ready to cancel the Cebu Zonals if there are not enough number of participants,” said Sy.

“If there are no Ceasfi teams, then I will just send ACT and SC-SIT to the National Finals outright.”

Sy added that nobody can stop the staging of the NSBC.

“Pangilinan has nothing to do with the NSBC. Nobody can stop us from holding NSBC.

BAP is now a private organization and NSBC is just part of the activities of the group and it does need to be sanctioned by the BAP-SBP,” said Sy. Correspondents Calvin D. Cordova and Jonas Panerio with reports from BAP-SBP PR

bigfreeze_bibby
01-14-2008, 08:53 AM
This is actually not good. Simula na naman ito ng giyera. Susme, magtino naman kayo mga pare ko.

GHRanger
01-14-2008, 10:49 AM
^ Agreed.* This is going to be another mess in the making.

To the common tao like many of us, we have not seen any much movement in the SBP other than the Youth Team and the Basketball Coaches.* Sad to say, many of the provincial leagues still believe in imperialist Manila focusing all their efforts in Manila.* This is further aggravated by the recent hullabaloo on the UAAP-NCAA merger.

My take on this is that they should really sitdown and present a roadmap.* People were delegated to specific areas, youth team, coaching, referees, etc. for a reason... and yet nothing really has been concrete for nearly a year.

Things on the top of my head...
1. League mapping, school mapping, even consolidation of smaller provincial leagues.
2. Referees. what have we done to improve this? what guidelines do we have for collusion, etc?
3. Template on league management (eligibility, operations, statistics, record keeping.)
4. Organized regional basketball camps.

I have faith that we would still be better off with the SBP.* The BAP is really dead and the more they insist the more they look ridiculous -- bad thing about it is that it makes everyone (SBP, etc.) look ridiculous as well.

Wang-Bu
01-22-2008, 10:40 AM
Ito naman kasing si Graham Lim, antagal naging pinuno ng BAP, tila yata wala namang inasenso ang basketball in our Inang Bayan. Kaya lang naman nagkagulo at nasuspinde tayo ng FIBA gawa nitong si Papa Graham. Biruin mong magpadala ng lintek na PCCr sa Stankovic Cup. Kung totoong magaling na pinuno si Graham Lim bakit naman hindi man lang siya nakapagpadala ng matinong koponan dun sa Stankovic, eh major FIBA area tournament ang Stancovic, tapos padadala mo PCCr? Dun nagsimula ang lahat. Obvious naman na malaki ang kakulangan sa pamunuan ng BAP nung panahon ni Papa Graham.

Tsaka sa totoo lang sino ba ang kasalukuyang recognized ng mismong FIBA, hindi ba SBP na at hindi BAP? Eh ano pang kaungasan 'yang ginagawa nina Papa Graham? Tapos nakikigulo pa itong talunan na hindi naitanim sa Senado.

Apo diyos, papano bang titino ang palakad ng basketball dito sa atin kung ang mga sinupalpal na nga mismo ng FIBA ayaw pang ayusin ang buhay nila?

Panawagan ko sa BAP: kung talagang malasakit at pagmamahal sa basketball ang totoong nakatanim sa inyong mga puso at diwa, utang na loob naman manahimik na kayo. Wala na kayo sa paningin mismo ng FIBA, at lalong hindi natutuwa sa inyo ang mga gaya namin dito sa gameface.ph na tunay na nagmamahal sa basketball.

Bagama't mayroon pang kakulangan ang SBP, nasa kanila na ang bola 'ika nga. Lumipas na ang pagkakataon ninyo sa BAP at wala tayong nahita, hindi naman siguro masamang hayaan na muna nating dumiskarte ang SBP ng diskarte nila.

amdgc82
02-03-2008, 06:26 AM
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20080202123

FIBA tells BAP:* Hands off
By Nelson Beeltran
Sunday, February 3, 2008

No less than International Basketball Federation (FIBA) president Bob Elphinston has reminded the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) that it is no longer authorized to invite national federations or club teams of other countries to participate in any international tournament in the Philippines.

Elphinston rebuffed BAP secretary general Graham Lim for writing a letter, detailing information about the National City League Invitational Championship the BAP is staging April 20-26 in Manila.

“I am surprised that you are writing on behalf of BAP. This is no longer a recognized body because as you well know the recognized federation in the Philippines is BAP-SBP,” said Elphinston in a letter to Graham dated Feb. 1.

The BAP-SBP and FIBA secretary general Patrick Baumann were furnished a copy of the letter.

“FIBA expects that all basketball organizations in the Philippines now fully respect and support the newly structured BAP-SBP, and it is this federation, approved by FIBA, that should be issuing invitations to national federations/clubs of other countries to participate in any international tournament in the Philippines,” Elphinston added.

Elphinston also informed Lim that “FIBA is pleased with the progress being made by the newly created federation and the desire of most people within the Philippine basketball family to unite and work together to rebuild the international recognition of the Philippine as a major basketball nation.”

Lim earlier informed the FIBA president that the BAP in coordination with the League of Cities of the Philippines is staging the National City League Invitational Championship featuring teams from Moscow, Belgrade, Seoul, Riyadh, Sydney, Colorado Spring, Fujian and Istanbul.

But Elphinston reminded Lim the BAP should cease operation and instead support BAP-SBP as agreed upon by Filipino cage leaders.

The unified body is headed by Manny V. Pangilinan as president with Patrick Gregorio serving as executive director or secretary general.

After only months of hibernation, the BAP came back to life, electing former Congressman Prospero Pichay as president.

They have set their own calendar of activities, including the National Students Championship.

Apparently, Pichay, also the president of the National Chess Federation of the Philippines, is positioning himself to run for the BAP-SBP presidency.

amdgc82
02-03-2008, 06:47 AM
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/02/03/sports/fiba.head.scolds.bap.president.html

Sunday, February 03, 2008
Fiba head scolds BAP president
By Marian C. Baring
Sun.Star Staff Reporter

AFTER receiving a scolding from Basketball Association of the Philippines-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas head Manny Pangilinan, the Basketball Association of the Philippines received a fresh bashing, this time from the sport’s biggest honcho— the president of the Federation Internationale de Basketball (Fiba).

Last month, BAP-SBP head Manny Pangilinan issued a statement that reiterated that BAP no longer exists, after the organization continued to organize competitions while inviting BAP-SBP stakeholders, causing confusion in the basketball community, especially in the local scene.

Last December, Grahan Lim, the secretary-general of BAP, e-mailed Fiba president Bob Elphinston an invitation to the National City League Invitational Championship, which BAP is hoping to host from April 20 to 26 in Manila.

Lim’s letter, which was forwarded to Sun.Star Cebu, stated that they have invited eight foreign cities and two local teams to take part in the competition, which is “under the auspices of the BAP and the League of Cities of the Philippines.”

Lim invited Elphinston to come over as BAP will shoulder for the accommodation of 17 persons. Lim said they invited teams Moscow, Russia, Belgrade, Serbia, Seoul, Korea, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Sydney, Australia, Colorado Spring, US, Fujian, China, Istanbul, Turkey and two local cities from Metro Manila area.

Instead of accepting the invitation, Elphinston instead replied giving Lim a piece of his mind. “I am surprised that you are writing on behalf of BAP…this is no longer a recognized body because as you well know, the recognized federation in the Philippines is BAP-SBP.

BAP-SBP

Elphinston added that Fiba expects all basketball organizations in the Philippines to recognize BAP-SBP as their new governing body and that it is the only organization who has the right to invite other countries to join tournaments in the Philippines.

“Fiba expects that all organization now fully respect and support the newly-structured BAP-SBP and it is this federation, approved by Fiba, that should be issuing invitations to national federation/clubs of other countries to participate in any international tournaments in the Philippines,” said Elphinston.

Elphinston ended his letter by saying that they at Fiba are satisfied with the what BAP-SBP had done so far.

“Fiba is pleased with the progress made by the newly-created federation and the desire of most people within the Philippines basketball family, to unite and work together to rebuild the international recognition of the Philippines as a major basketball nation.”

Sun.Star Cebu tried calling Lim but all six calls were unanswered. According to one of his close confidante here in Cebu, whom Lim had spoken to about the incident, they were not after the recognition of Fiba as the national governing body for basketball and only wanted to invite the Fiba officials to come for the event.

amdgc82
02-04-2008, 06:28 AM
http://www.malaya.com.ph/feb04/spor5.htm

For 2nd time, world cage body slams BAP

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FOR the second time, the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) has slammed the Basketball Association of the Philippines, this time for organizing an international basketball event in the Philippines without the blessings of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

In an email dated Feb. 1, FIBA chief Bob Elphinston reminded Graham Lim the Basketball Association of the Philippines, which Lim represents, "is no longer a recognized body," adding the recognized Federation in the Philippines is the BAP-SBP (Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas).

The Australian FIBA chief sent the email in response to Lim’s email informing him the BAP is organizing an international cage event and inviting national federations and clubs.

"FIBA expects that ALL basketball organizations, in the Philippines, now fully respect and support the newly structured BAP-SBP, and it is this Federation, approved by FIBA, that should be issuing invitations to National Federations/Clubs of other countries, to participate in any international tournaments in the Philippines," the FIBA chief said.

Last June, FIBA secretary general Patrick Baumann told the BAP it has no right to use the FIBA logo on its letterhead since it is not the recognized federation.

Then BAP president Go Teng Kok had written FIBA regarding developments with respect to the formation of the national team and how BAP officials were being eased out of the new federation by the BAP-SBP.

But Baumann said the BAP’s activities "can only be of domestic nature and only if approved by the new federation."

myktristan
02-04-2008, 02:12 PM
BAP ignores FIBA warning: Inter-cities tourney to push through

The Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) will push through with the international tournament it is organizing despite receiving a rebuff from the International Basketball Federation (FIBA).

BAP secretary-general Graham Lim said the inter-cities tournament set April 20-26 in Manila does not require FIBA sanction since the invitations are being coursed directly to the local governments of the respective foreign cities, "not NSAs or basketball federations."

FIBA president Bob Elphinston had earlier written the BAP that only the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) is authorized to invite foreign teams for an international tournament.

In his email, the FIBA head made clear that SBP "should be issuing invitations to National Federations/Clubs of other countries to participate in any international tournaments in the Philippines."

Lim said the BAP is not questioning the FIBA recognition of the SBP.

"I know FIBA no longer recognizes BAP. But out of respect, I wrote Elphinston to inform him of the forthcoming tournament which is promotional in nature," Lim said. "This is not a FIBA-run tournament. I know my responsibilities. We’re just trying to promote basketball. There’s no harm in doing it."

Lim dismissed reports he is out to wreck havoc on the fledgling local basketball federation headed by telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan.

"Di kami nanggugulo," he said. "Why are they so worried? Dapat nga maging grateful pa sila that we’re promoting basketball in the local government unit. Ibig bang sabihin pag di sanctioned ng FIBA, di ka na puwede mag-promote?"

Reached for comment, SBP executive-director Patrick Gregorio wondered why the BAP is not informing the SBP of its activities.

"SBP is really thankful if the gesture (BAP’s holding of the tournament) is sincere. Ito ay para sa lahat ng nais tumulong. But how come we were not even informed that he (Lim) is organizing the tournament? We continue to reach out to Mr. Lim," Gregorio said.

Gregorio, however, declined to comment when asked what SBP would do if the BAP continues to operate without its sanction.

The inter-cities tournament, dubbed the National City League Invitational Championship, will draw eight foreign teams to compete against two local squads.

Foreign teams to be invited include selections from Moscow, Belgrade, Seoul, Riyadh, Sydney, Colorado Spring, Fujian, and Istanbul.

Link: http://www.mb.com.ph/SPRT20080204116186.html

typhoidterry
02-04-2008, 05:47 PM
SOMEONE PLEASE SHOOT GRAHAM LIM!* *>:(

Jeep
02-04-2008, 07:16 PM
itanim, este, ibaon niyo na rin si pichay! :D

stonecold316
02-05-2008, 04:37 AM
Ang kapal talaga ng mga mukha. Binasura na nga ng FIBA, ang lakas pa rin ng loob na magparamdam na akala mo eh sila pa rin ang may hawak ng Philippine Basketball. Ibang klase talaga! Hawak tuko sa kapangyarihan! Puro sarili na lang kasi ang iniisip eh. Sana naman mawala na sila sa mundo ng Philippine basketball para makausad na tayo!

stonecold316 ;D ;D ;D

gameface_one
02-05-2008, 06:10 AM
FIBA rebukes BAP’s bid
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
Tuesday, February 5, 2008
Philstar.com

In what had to be the strongest message ever to cut clean, FIBA president Bob Elphinston of Australia recently reminded BAP secretary-general Graham Lim to abide by the terms of the agreement that created the BAP-SBP as the POC-recognized National Sports Association for basketball.

Elphinston was clearly surprised when Lim, who has been denied Filipino citizenship with finality (his appeal for reconsideration was rejected by the Supreme Court), wrote to invite him to Manila for the opening of the National City League Invitational Championships.

Two years ago, the BAP-SBP was established precisely to signal the fusion of opposing forces that govern the sport in the country. The understanding was when the organization got off the ground and was pointed to the right direction, the BAP initials were to be dropped, leaving SBP in the forefront.

But the BAP, which has existed for about 40 years, refused to be totally absorbed by the SBP and even conducted a recent election to vote in former Rep. Prospero (Butch) Pichay as president.

The turn of events caught the local basketball community by surprise. From a discredited governing body on the way to extinction, the BAP has suddenly reawakened – whether the SBP likes it or not – with politicians like Pichay and Luis Villafuerte in the fold.

The BAP’s reemergence goes against the letter and spirit of the agreement approved by FIBA. The question is – who’s enforcing the law and policing the ranks? And shouldn’t someone go out to mothball or dismantle the BAP once and for all?

Now that Lim has been ordered out of the country, the BAP should just die a natural death. But Lim is still plugging away for survival and doesn’t seem to care about the rule of law by inviting schools to participate in his City League tour-despite his status as an illegal alien.

Why the BAP stubbornly holds on for dear life under “illegal” conditions should be a priority for review by authorities. If the BAP gets away with murder because of political connections, what will prevent others from trying their luck as “independent breakaways?”

There is talk that Pichay will oppose PLDT chairman Manny Pangilinan, who is also SBP president, in the next elections. If that’s the case, then all the more, there should be a firm basis upon which to pick the better man.

The City League Invitational Championships will be held on April 20-26 with eight foreign and two local teams in action. The BAP and the League of Cities are locking arms to promote the project. Foreign teams expected to join include Moscow, Belgrade, Seoul, Riyadh, Sydney, Colorado Spring, Fujian, Istanbul and two city teams from Metro Manila.

The host sponsor will shoulder the hotel and food accommodations for 17 persons per team and local transportation. The tournament format will split 10 teams divided into two groups with the top two qualifying for the crossover semifinals then both winners racing to the finals.

In his reply to Lim, Elphinston affirmed that the BAP is a thing of the past as the BAP-SBP is now the NSA for basketball.

“FIBA expects that all basketball organizations in the Philippines now fully respect and support the newly-structured BAP-SBP and it is this Federation, approved by FIBA, that should be issuing invitations to the national federations or clubs of other countries to participate in any international tournaments in the Philippines,” said Elphinston.

“FIBA is pleased with the progress being made by the newly-created Federation and the desire of most people within the Philippines basketball family, to unite and work together to rebuild the international recognition of the Philippines as a major basketball nation.”

Elphinston’s declaration has put a damper on preparations for the tournament, which is now in limbo.

Instead of banging his head against a brick wall, Lim should understand that as a virtual fugitive, he has lost not only the moral authority to call the shots in the BAP but also control of a dying organization that he once turned into a personal domain. How crude that to compensate for his deportation, Lim is hoping to organize an invitational tournament in the spirit of unity.

amdgc82
02-05-2008, 06:57 AM
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/02/05/sports/bap.has.no.power.fiba.s.elphinston.html

Tuesday, February 05, 2008
BAP has no power: Fiba's Elphinston

BASKETBALL Association of the Philippines secretary general Graham Lim took offense in the response of Fiba president Bob Elphinston, who reprimanded him after inviting the latter to the National City League Invitational Championship.

Elphinston had questioned Lim about the invitation because BAP is no longer authorized to send out letters to other countries when it ceased to be the national sports association for basketball after it was replaced by BAP-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas.

“Is this communism? Can we not hold our own competitions without them complaining about it? We are entitled to our own constitutional rights,” Lim said.

Lim added that he never sought approval from Fiba for them to hold the competition. The invitation was intended for Sydney, Australia and was only coursed through Elphinston because he is based there.

Sydney was invited along other cities like Moscow, Belgrade, Seoul, Riyadh, Colorado, Fujian and Istanbul.

“He (Elphinston) should be grateful because I am promoting basketball. Why, he never questions the NBA, who has promotions all over the world,” Lim added.

Lim also said that Elphinston advised him to coordinate with BAP-SBP because this is the organization that Fiba recognizes. But Lim remains adamant. “No, we will hold this competition without them,” Lim said. Lim also questioned why BAP-SBP secretary general Patrick Gregorio wants Lim to inform the BAP-SBP about the event, which is international in nature.

“Who is he? He is only working for us. I have been secretary general for BAP since 1996 and I know what I am doing,” said Lim, who is also a member of the board of trustees of BAP-SBP.

Gregorio for his part said that he is only trying to implement protocol. “How can we implement international competition if we don’t know anything about the event. I continue to be the secretary general and I will do my job. I will always support this organization, its projects and beliefs it stands for and I will continue to reach out to Lim,” Gregorio said.

Lim added that the competition, slated in April already has a grandstanding budget of P5 million, which was reportedly put up by Prospero Pichay. The competing teams have not been finalized yet but there will be two cities from Luzon that will be joining.

Lim said they still need to stage a qualifying competition to determine which teams will represent the country. (MCB)

bigfreeze_bibby
02-05-2008, 12:31 PM
“Is this communism? Can we not hold our own competitions without them complaining about it? We are entitled to our own constitutional rights,” Lim said.

“He (Elphinston) should be grateful because I am promoting basketball. Why, he never questions the NBA, who has promotions all over the world,” Lim added.

“Who is he? He is only working for us. I have been secretary general for BAP since 1996 and I know what I am doing,” said Lim, who is also a member of the board of trustees of BAP-SBP.


Mayabang ito. Tsk, tsk, nagco-complain ka pa dyan e hindi ka nga Pinoy. Dun ka magkalat ng lagim sa bansa mo.

amdgc82
02-05-2008, 07:04 PM
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/sports/view/20080205-116923/Graham-Lim-explains-invitation-sent-to-FIBA

Graham Lim explains invitation sent to FIBA
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 14:12:00 02/05/2008

Basketball Association of the Philippines secretary general Graham Lim fired back at the criticism he received for trying to invite FIBA and its president, Bob Elphinston, to the opening of the National City League Championships on behalf of his organization and not the BAP-SBP.

The BAP-SBP is the country's basketball governing body and the only national sports association recognized by the international governing body, FIBA.

However, Lim, in an email sent in December, informed Elphinston of the said tournament on behalf of just the BAP, to which the latter responded that the BAP was no longer recognized by FIBA.

“Tama naman ang sinasabi ni Elphinston na ang BAP-SBP ang recognized ng FIBA. But everybody is entitled to run their own tournament. I'm just trying to promote the game of basketball,” Lim said in an interview on Monday.

Lim added that the BAP has been an institution for 71 years and just because it has merged with the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas does not mean that it has become non-existent.

“I'm not against the BAP-SBP. In fact I am a member of the board of trustees. I don't have anything against their president Manny Pangilinan. He is spending his own money while I am spending my own. I'm not quarreling with anybody here,” Lim reiterated.

Lim also stated that regardless of whether the FIBA heeds his invitation or not, the National City League Championships will push through on April 20 to 26 in Manila.

“What we're trying to do here is that maging cooperative with other countries. Para naman ito sa taong Pilipino. A lot of good can come out of this tournament,” Lim said. /Correspondent Jonas Panerio

JonarSabilano
02-06-2008, 09:43 AM
Bakit kasi hindi niya ma-gets na there is NO SUCH THING as the BAP?

This guy needs professional help. Pichay too. >:(

oca
02-06-2008, 10:58 AM
This BAP will continue to undertake these activities to remain in circulation. Dahil, aminin man nila o hindi, they would want to regain control of the reigns of basketball when the SBP election comes. They must keep their organization intact. They must "retain the allies" they have on their side. They cannot just fade away or drop dead like a fly and be a non-entity.

These activities they are organizing is intended to "patronize" the regional leaders who have been marginalized under the new set-up of the SBP. Take note, halos lahat ng activities ng BAP ay outside NCR, and these regional organizations will vote come election time.

Dahil nabanggit ko ang election, I wonder what happened to the "verification and validation" of the list of acccredited organizations submitted by the SBP and BAP upon the recognition of the former as the new NSA for basketball?

Alam ko kung head count lang ang labanan, lamang ang BAP. Pero malinaw na maraming non-functioning at redundant orgs sa listahan ng BAP. But until there is definite ruling on who can and who cannot vote, the BAP remains a threat in regaining the reigns of the basketball governing body.

That BAP list must be purged and expect them to contest that purging in the court of law if necessary.

At eto ang unsolicited advise ko para sa SBP--- Iwasan ang marginalization ng mga regional organizations. Tandaan niyo, these groups have the right to vote and they will vote.

Alam ko mahaba na itong post ko para pagtyagaang basahin ng karamihan. But allow me to give an example ng marginalization ng regional offices/ orgs ng basketball.

Yung CCL na ngayon ay CNC.

This is an event organized by a private foundation. The participating schools are invited based on their performance in their home leagues. When you look at it, nothing seems wrong.

But here's the snag. Before, there is the National Inter-Collegiate. Here, we have a "separate qualifying tournament" to select every regions representative. These qualifying event is handled by these regional offices of the old BAP. The SBP has not conducted a nationals. Kahit nga sa high school wala nang nationals.

Under the old BAP, these qualifiers leading to the Nationals are the centerpiece event of every regional office. Their officers have a sense of purpose and importance in conducting these regional qualifiers. Pero wala na yan. The regional offices have become mere ministerial offices in giving accreditation to the different school leagues in their respective regions.

Of course, malaking pera ang nawala sa mga regional officers when these qualifiers were no longer held. Pero may pera man o wala sa usapan, yung sense of purpose and importance ay tila nawala na.

It's an Olympic year, traditionally, NSA elections are held after the Summer Olympics. I don't know if the SBP charter calls for an election any time after these Olympics. Baka kasi under a transitory provision pa ang pagpapatakbo ng SBP.

Pero come election time, maniwala kayo, yung mga regional offices/ orgs will assert their right to vote. When that time comes, it would be too late to tell them what your plans are. They will tell YOU - the SBP - what their own plans are, and these plans will be drawn from what they have not been accorded these past 2 to 3 years.

So, huwag balewalain ang BAP until there is finality on who and who cannot vote..... and, yes, they still exist.

BigBlue
02-06-2008, 03:07 PM
i really don't get it... wasnt there a "merger" between BAP and SBP? that two separate organizations are now one? how come it's as if the right hand refuses to let the left hand know what its up to.

oca
02-06-2008, 03:51 PM
i really don't get it... wasnt there a "merger" between BAP and SBP? that two separate organizations are now one? how come it's as if the right hand refuses to let the left hand know what its up to.


Ganito yan.

The BAP is now under the "umbrella" of the SBP. Meaning it is one of many organizations affiliated with the SBP. (The same way na affiliated ang UAAP, NCAA, WNCAA and other orgs/ leagues.)

The recognition of the BAP-SBP as NSA for basketball does not dissolve the BAP. It merely loses its FIBA accreditation as governing body, but it is still intact as an organization.

That it is under the BAP-SBP also means it is one of the many stakeholders in basketball.

Stakeholders can and will vote come election time and among them are the BAP and their allies. You can consider them as one voting block. No one minds them now. But when election time comes, you will all hear from them. ::)

Kaya pagdating ng panahon na iyon, huwag magulat at magtanong, "Sino ba ang mga iyan?"

Dahil tiyak sasagutin kayo ng mga iyan, "Eh, kayo, sino ba kayo? Kami, 71 years na kami in existence." ;D ;D ;D

bigfreeze_bibby
02-06-2008, 04:48 PM
Thanks for clarifying things up oca. I have actually the same line of thought as BigBlue's that how come BAP is still operating where in fact they shouldn't be moving in the first place if the concept of "merger" is to be applied. Delikado nga yan pagdating ng panahon ng botohan. Once BAP gets back in power after election time, patay na naman tayo nito.

john_paul_manahan
02-06-2008, 06:21 PM
then how could the SBP resolve this....

oca
02-06-2008, 08:03 PM
then how could the SBP resolve this....


Huwag lang maging lubusang pabaya ang kasalukuyang SBP and allow the BAP to win over to its side other "legitimate stakeholders" who may have felt being left out in the current set up. Particulary the regional and provincial entities. Those who felt being left out may not join the BAP and instead form a 3rd block. Pag tatlo ang voting block, who knows who will win.

Malinaw naman, the BAP and its allies will not change its stripes.

Walang magagawa ang SBP para baguhin ang pananaw ng mga iyan. At malamang the BAP is even keeping a list of the sins-- real, imagined and perceived-- of the SBP na pwede nilang gawing bala when election time comes.


Pero sa pagkakaintindi ko sa current set-up, it is very much transitory.

MVP is there not because he was elected but was offered to take the post to get things started. Dahil kung nagkakaroon ng election for the first set of officers, magiging madugo at lalong gugulo lang.

Take note both BAP and SBP had their own list of accredited groups/orgs. Each accredited entity is logically entitled to one vote. Each list had to be verified and validated. If they had to do that, hindi magkakaroon ng election dahil magmamatigas ang BAP sa legitimacy ng mga nasa listahan nila ang they have more voting entities in that list; though the SBP has the more credible organizations/ groups in its fold.

So, para maiwasan yung impasse, di na itinuloy ang election at inalok kay MVP ang top post ng bagong NSA for basketball. Transitory. Temporary. Basta mapasimulan lang. MVP formed a working group and we now have what we have, including Pato.

But inevitably, an election of officers will have to be held.

Tanong ---

Who are entitled to vote? Who has the right to vote?

If an election is to be held 30 days from today and a Notice of Election will have to be sent to each voting member org/ group, who are those voting members?

Alam ba nila MVP at Pato kung sino-sino sa labas ng NCR ang nasa panig nila? Do they have the numbers? Importante yan para mapagpatuloy yung sinimulan nila.

Maniwala kayo, naghihintay lang ng tamang panahon ang BAP at ang mga ka-alyado niyan to regain control of the NSA.

Naghihintay alng ang mga iyan ng election.

Ano pa ang dahilan and they keep themselves visible and in circulation?

Public service?

Lokohin niyo lelong niyong panot!

AnthonyServinio
02-07-2008, 12:30 AM
* * *THE BAP-SBP Membership Committee headed by Ely Capacio is the body tasked to review the list of qualified electors.

* * *I am not aware of the exact criteria but I believe it is safe to say that in order to be a qualified elector, an organization has to have been active in the last year or two by staging a minimum number of major tournaments and/or activities like clinics or seminars.

* * *Applying the criteria as lax as possible, a lot of the organizations allegedly aligned with the old discredited Chinese-controlled BAP will still fail to meet the standards.* I have seen the list before and I can say that a lot of these groups have been dormant for quite some time or worse, some are just fronts or joke organizations.

amdgc82
02-07-2008, 01:20 AM
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=sports6_feb5_2008

What quiet life?
By Ronnie Nathanielsz

THE rebuff received by BAP secretary-general Graham Lim from Fiba president Bob Elphinston over his penchant to organize miscellaneous tournaments without the proper sanction by the Basketball Association of the Philippines-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas is another reminder that for all the pontification about the rule of law by government officials, even a Supreme Court decision with finality on Lim’s citizenship issue is being scorned.

How else can one explain the failure of authorities to enforce the law and implement the court rulings? Or is it that some influential people have been able to thwart every move in a sad reflection of the predominance of corruption and lack of integrity in our time.

For the record, we personally have, from the beginning, felt that Graham Lim—for all his faults—deserved to be spared from deportation because technically speaking, he had nowhere to go and the Taiwanese authorities had said they were not prepared to accept him as a citizen. Besides, Graham studied here, married a Filipina, sends his children to school here and lived all his life in the Philippines in a rather simple manner.

Unfortunately it seems, Graham and those who support him have continued to effectively flaunt the law and the authorities just like he has continued with some of his minions to virtually challenge not just the authority and leadership of the BAP-SBP, but the specific instructions of Fiba itself. Perhaps, if he quietly stayed out of the basketball limelight and refrained from challenging the established authorities in the sport and lived a quiet life, he would not have drawn attention to himself.

But what upsets many, including ourselves, is that former Rep. Butch Pichay continues to tolerate what Lim does and apparently believes that Lim could lead him to some form of redemption and public prominence.

Frankly, it is these types of politicians by and large, who have ruined Philippine sports because of their desire not really to help develop and grow a particular sport, but to ride on it for personal benefit and publicity. Not content with leadership of the chess federation, Pichay is now reportedly eyeing the presidency of the BAP-SBP.

The fact that Pichay, who eagerly grabbed the position of BAP president in an effort to perhaps get back into the limelight after being soundly beaten in his bid for a Senate seat, would encourage the activities of Lim is in itself an idea of just how much the gentleman appears to be salivating over the thought of grabbing the BAP-SBP presidency from esteemed businessman-sportsman Manny Pangilinan.

Pangilinan is surely one of a kind… a gentleman, who has given his time and resources for various sports but has never sought office as a reward for his efforts. When he was the unanimous choice for president of the BAP-SBP, it was because he had the ability to unify a disparate lot and to be able to impress the leaders of Fiba, the world governing body for basketball, with his vision and his commitment. Nothing else.

He didn’t seek the office. Basketball sought him because the sport, which had been dragged to the pits by Graham Lim and his cohorts, needed someone to provide integrity and decency at the highest level, which Mr. Pangilinan provides in rare abundance especially when compared to some of those who came before him.

There is more to it than meets the eye in the tournaments that Lim’s BAP has organized with the help of some gullible local officials, whose desire for publicity is the driving force. It is about time that Graham Lim is made to stop and men like Pichay realize that they are, in effect, collaborating in flouting the law and challenging the lawfully established local and international governing bodies for basketball.

oca
02-07-2008, 09:10 AM
* * *THE BAP-SBP Membership Committee headed by Ely Capacio is the body tasked to review the list of qualified electors.

* * *I am not aware of the exact criteria but I believe it is safe to say that in order to be a qualified elector, an organization has to have been active in the last year or two by staging a minimum number of major tournaments and/or activities like clinics or seminars.

* * *Applying the criteria as lax as possible, a lot of the organizations allegedly aligned with the old discredited Chinese-controlled BAP will still fail to meet the standards.* I have seen the list before and I can say that a lot of these groups have been dormant for quite some time or worse, some are just fronts or joke organizations.


The sooner Capacio's committee completes its task, the better it will be for Philippine basketball.

Inevitably, an election will have to be called. Huwag naman sana kung kailan paparating ang nasabing election, saka pa lang tatapusin ang review.

The review be completed. Kung tapos na, then, publish the names of these entities as an information to the public who are the legit stakeholders in Philippine basketball; regardless if there is a coming election for a new set of officers.

Knowing who are accredited will also protect the basketball communities in the provinces from those who misrepresent themselves as stakeholders.

Take note, the old BAP is trying to build a block from provincial basketball communities.

Kung tayo nga dito sa NCR...dito sa Gameface... hindi natin alam sino talaga ang mga accredited enitites ng SBP...sila pa!

stonecold316
02-07-2008, 07:19 PM
Pichay is a politician. Ang gusto niya ay para sa ikabubuti nya lamang. Nakakainis at mahilig kasi makisawsaw pati sa sports scene. Sana maayos na ang gulo para sa Philippine basketball.

stonecold316

AnthonyServinio
02-08-2008, 12:59 AM
The sooner Capacio's committee completes its task, the better it will be for Philippine basketball.

Inevitably, an election will have to be called. Huwag naman sana kung kailan paparating ang nasabing election, saka pa lang tatapusin ang review.

The review be completed. Kung tapos na, then, publish the names of these entities as an information to the public who are the legit stakeholders in Philippine basketball; regardless if there is a coming election for a new set of officers.

Knowing who are accredited will also protect the basketball communities in the provinces from those who misrepresent themselves as stakeholders.

Take note, the old BAP is trying to build a block from provincial basketball communities.

Kung tayo nga dito sa NCR...dito sa Gameface... hindi natin alam sino talaga ang mga accredited enitites ng SBP...sila pa!

* * *LET"S PUT it this way, for lack of a better analogy please allow me to liken it to the current electoral process going on in the United States:

* * *In the recent primaries, Sen. Barack Obama won in far more states as compared to Sen. Hillary Clinton who only won in a handful of states.* Yet, the lady senator still leads in the total number of delegates won.* How is that?* Because Sen. Clinton won in the big vote-rich states like California unlike Sen. Obama.

* * * Now the BAP-SBP may have relatively fewer organizations under its wing but these are the major players in Philippine basketball, the leagues that matter, the leagues with the best organization and best players like the PBA, MVBA, PBL, NCAA and UAAP.* Compare this to the old discredited Chinese-controlled BAP's kilometric list of obscure organizations.

* * *If they apply the "one organization, one vote" policy, it will favor the BAP since they have the numbers.* It's like saying a league for weekend players is equal in stature to the PBA.

* * *Hopefully, only the qualified electors get to cast their vote.* Like what I have said before, the BAP's list is littered with obscure and dormant organizations.

danny
02-08-2008, 03:04 AM
Based on the earlier discussion, the old BAP still has regional machineries which they can try to activate while the accredited SBP* has the big urban entities to rely on.

As raised by oca, there seems to be a feeling of alienation which fuels the movement of Graham Lim. Does the SBP recognize the existence of such? The worst thing to happen is for the some BAP provincial entities to form a third bloc.

As to politicians,* come on, a lot of these things are all about politics of power. It's is just that traditional politicians are easy targets.* The funny thing is, many profess to* hate politicians, but would gladly invite them to wine and dine in their homes.* Pinoy* mentality.* :D

oca
02-08-2008, 08:20 AM
I think nasabi ko na ang alam ko at ang opinyon ko tungkol sa topic na ito. For last, let me just say this...

Yung list ng accredited groups/ orgs na dapat linisin.... The moment Capacio's committee comes out with their official report, matinding usapin ang mangyayari between the old BAP and the current establishment. BAP's only hope of ressurection is with the numbers they believe they have. When you purge their list and they don't contest it, it's like them taking a death kneel and the Highlander chopping of their head.

Simply, that review by Capacio's committee and the subsequent report would be their final battle.

Kaya dapat, that review be completed with finality (completed na, finality pa... sorry, need to be redundant for emphasis). Have it published long before an election is called, so whatever action the old BAP resorts to can be countered long before an election of regular officers is held. Otherwise, pati yung election ay magiging magulo and it will be embarrasing to all.