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Sam Miguel
10-29-2007, 03:56 PM
There have been many great PBL/PABL players who went on to have rousing careers in the PBA. Alvin Patrimonio, Hector Calma, Benjie Paras, Nelson Asaytono, Olsen Racela, Willy Miller, Eric Menk, were all PBL/PABL superstars who became at one time or another ROYs and/or MVPs and/or Mythical 5 Members and/or named one of the 25 Greatest Players in the PBA.

But what about those PBL/PABL superstars who did not quite translate their amateur success into PBA success?

Foremost among these would arguably have to be Sani Cabatu, the strapping 6-foot-5 center who was a PABL MVP and spent his PBA career as a journeyman. Cabatu was big and strong but found that in the PBA that really did not count for much. His stiff hands and robotic mechanics were simply no match for the lithe, fluid athletes he went up against such as Abet Guidaben and Mon Fernandez, and the highly skilled power forwards like Ricky Relosa, Terry Saldana and Yoyoy Villamin. There was no questioning his toughness and work ethic, but Cabatu simply did not have the talent and skill to duplicate his PABL MVP stature in the PBA.

Ricric Marata was perhaps one of the greatest shooting pointguards in the PABL in his time, a guy who had the quickness, strength, toughness and moxie to efficiently run a team. While he had a few productive seasons in the PBA and even won a couple of 3-point shootouts in the All Star games, he never quite became a PBA Great. While no one knocked his talent, he seemed to be one of those players who just could not find consistency in the PBA.

Bennet Palad was a UAAP and PABL superstar known for his scoring prowess, able to knock the ball into the basket from seemingly all angles. But when he went to the PBA his best seasons were with a very weak Ginebra/Anejo squad along with Cabatu. His inability to play any kind of defense and selfish tendencies soon saw him out of a contract when Ginebra brought in its second generation of superstars in the mid-1990's like Vince Hizon, Noli Locsin, Marlou Aquino and Bal David.

Who else can we add to this list?

Dark Knight
10-29-2007, 04:53 PM
I cant remember if Johndel Cardel played for PBA. But if he did, he's a dissapoinment.

Also Marlon Legaspi.

Im thinking of Tristan Codamon but im pretty sure he did not play in the PBA. ;D

cub
10-29-2007, 11:53 PM
Cardel played for the Shell Turbochargers and the Sta. Lucia Realtors if im not mistaken..

AnthonyServinio
10-30-2007, 12:53 AM
Cardel played for the Shell Turbochargers and the Sta. Lucia Realtors if im not mistaken..

* * *Johnedel Cardel played in the PBA for Alaska (1993-1994), Santa Lucia (1995-1996) and Shell (1997) before moving on to the MBA to star for the Negros Slashers (1998-2001) and Olongapo Volunteers (2002).

* * *In the PBL, he was one of the many certified stars of Magnolia Ice Cream.

joelex
10-30-2007, 01:01 AM
I cant remember if Johndel Cardel played for PBA. But if he did, he's a dissapoinment.

Also Marlon Legaspi.

Im thinking of Tristan Codamon but im pretty sure he did not play in the PBA.* ;D


codamon former king falcon?

maybe chester tolomia fits the bill. rysal castro, ervin sotto, gilbert malabanan, jojo manalo, eugene tan(PBL forever), eric dela cuesta, frederick canlas, gerard jones, al magpayo.....

Dark Knight
10-30-2007, 08:31 AM
Gerard Jones never played in the PBA. He was not drafted.

I have to say Magtulis and Bacani.

lurkinggood
10-30-2007, 11:49 AM
Andy de Guzman was also a force in the PBL/PABL but never got his game elevated to the pro ranks.

Kid Cubao
10-30-2007, 11:59 AM
well, he was on his way to stardom, i think, when he blew out his knee. those were the days when an ACL tear was still literally a career-killer. eh ngayon, an ACL injury is increasingly being regarded as an "enforced vacation." ;D

RockLobster
10-30-2007, 02:40 PM
Naron? Quiday? Postanes?

Joescoundrel
10-30-2007, 02:50 PM
The former Perpetual (?) tandem of Chester Tolomia and Gilbert Malabanan were PBL/PABL stars who never quite translated their game into the PBA. Tolomia's case is particularly intriguing since he had the requisite guard tools of size, strength, speed, springs and shooting. In his last fulltime stint in the PBL with Welcoat he was a nearly unstoppable scoring machine inside and out, along with PBA returnee and another PBL great Jojo Tangkay. How the heck skills that high could not quite find a place in the PBA is beyond me. Speaking of Tangkay, his return to the PBA via the Welcoat Dragons figures as his second chance at PBA stardom after an abbreviated stint with Shell (?) sometime in the late-1990's to early 2000's.

Malabanan, the player with the fighting name, is a 6-foot-4 forward with very good athleticism and a steady middle-range jumpshot. He could have become one of the better PBA small forwards but just could not seem to hang on to a regular roster spot, his last PBA job I think was with Barangay Ginebra when the Gin Kings played with an injury and RP Team decimated lineup. Malabanan is back in the PBL now.

FEU star forwards Miko Roldan and Stevens Victoria were highly touted PBL players who displayed a lot of skill and toughness but were just a bit on the small side to play their natural positions in the PBA. Victoria was drafted by Purefoods but was waived after a couple conferences while Roldan just could not latch on to a fulltime PBA job.

Joescoundrel
10-30-2007, 02:54 PM
Naron? Quiday? Postanes?




Peter Naron wasn't exactly a PBA bust as he strutted his stuff ably enough in limited minutes with a couple of PBA teams (the Ayala teams of Shell and Purefoods I believe). Naron's crafty dribbling, passing and streaky shooting made him a crowd favorite, being one of the few "tall" guards of his generation.

Speaking of tall guards how about Pat Codinera? The youngest of the basketball-playing Codinera boys could play up to four positions and was a mismatch in the backcourt at 6-foot-4. His stint with the Ginebra franchise in their own dark ages however can be kindly labeled as forgettable.

Joescoundrel
10-30-2007, 02:58 PM
Cardel played for the Shell Turbochargers and the Sta. Lucia Realtors if im not mistaken..


John Cardel had the misfortune of getting drafted by an Alaska squad that then had both Jojo Lastimosa and Paul Alvarez. Not only were these two aforementioned players All Stars, they also happened to play the same position as Cardel and were infinitely more highly skilled. I am not quite sure if Alvarez and Cardel were ever teammates on the San Sebastian teams of the late 1980's, before Cardel transferred to the prestigious Lasalle University.

mighty_lion
10-30-2007, 03:09 PM
Pwede na ba si Robert Sanz ng PCU.

MonL
10-30-2007, 04:41 PM
Pwede na ba si Robert Sanz ng PCU.


Give a PBA player two years. Then you can make a credible judgement.

Anybody remember Eric Quiday of Shell? This former PHCR Altas star never did took off in the PBA. I'm* not sure though if he played in the PBL before going pro.* He currently works as a Service Manager for Toyota Alabang (I used to fetch my wife when she worked there, and thus found out his whereabouts ). Fortunately for him there is a career after basketball.

bchoter
10-30-2007, 06:13 PM
Next to Sonny Cabatu, Eugene Quilban is probably the most heralded PABL/PBL player who failed to live up to his billing in the pros. He had some moderate success... until Johnny A. Happened

RockLobster
10-30-2007, 06:16 PM
Jojo Tangkay played for Sta. Lucia, right? Returned to the PBL, won an MVP, and is now back.

Eugene Quilban... Yeah, it must've been Johnny A., or personal (drug?) problems, or both...

Sam Miguel
10-31-2007, 04:43 PM
Next to Sonny Cabatu, Eugene Quilban is probably the most heralded PABL/PBL player who failed to live up to his billing in the pros. He had some moderate success... until Johnny A. Happened


And to think the Flying A was Eugene Quilban's bitch in the amateurs. Quilban would literally run rings around Abarrientos in the old PABL. When they got to the PBA Quilban had a good start to his career and then just imploded...

Sam Miguel
10-31-2007, 04:47 PM
Pwede na ba si Robert Sanz ng PCU.


Ah yes, the man who was PCU before the era of Gabby Espinas and Jayson Castro.

Unfortunately for Sanz he is not the prototypical PBA small forward, his most natural position given his size and skill. In the amateurs it is relatively easy for him to wing it on defense and taking gambles. This however is not something that would endear any player to the PBA. Sanz has the scoring touch and some handles but lacks the high level of speed and athleticism of prototypical PBA forwards like Danny Siegle, Jay Washington and Kelley Williams. These are things he can work on but the question is, is he willing to do so?

tigerman
10-31-2007, 11:34 PM
If only all the PBA Coaches share the same philosophy as Yeng Guiao and are also great in bringing out the best with his players like the Pampanga Vice-Governor then I guess some of the PBL/PABL greats mentioned here would have been successful in the PBA as well.

Ok, to answer the thread...
Romel Adducul




USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

Sam Miguel
11-02-2007, 06:04 PM
If only all the PBA Coaches share the same philosophy as Yeng Guiao and are also great in bringing out the best with his players like the Pampanga Vice-Governor then I guess some of the PBL/PABL greats mentioned here would have been successful in the PBA as well.

Ok, to answer the thread...
Romel Adducul


Perhaps Romel Adducul's greatest sin was that he went to the MBA before he came to the PBA. In the MBA he was an MVP and clearly earned it playing in a league where the Fil-Foreign rules were hardly strict. By the time Adducul got to the PBA he had small but nagging problems with both knees and was not the superb transition sprinter he was in the MBA. Still, he remains one of the best post players in the country. In a scrimmage with Ateneo a couple years ago, he was the only one among a post platoon that included Don Allado and Kerby Raymundo to be able to score, rebound and defend consistently against a then burgeoning Japeth Aguilar.

chocoks77
11-02-2007, 08:06 PM
Cris Bade

bchoter
11-04-2007, 10:14 PM
Stevenson Solomon

yokam
11-05-2007, 09:17 AM
Andy de Guzman was also a force in the PBL/PABL but never got his game elevated to the pro ranks.

Andy de Guzman made it to the PBA. He was picked by Sta. Lucia during the 1993 draft. He played a very minor and supporting role for the Realtors who already had Jun Limpot and Gerry Esplana during that time.

greenarcher
11-06-2007, 08:04 PM
Rob Sanz was definitely a star during his NCAA years but is hardly one in the PBL. he's totally outshone by teammate larry rodriguez and reed juntilla in almost all aspects.

pwede sana siya maging 2-guard kung mas consistent lang yun 3-pt shooting niya.

from another thread: christian luanzon.

im glad chico lanete is doing well with purefoods, kala ko forever PBL nalang siya tulad ni juntilla and al vergarra.

bchoter
11-06-2007, 09:53 PM
^ Christian was never really a star in the PBL. He had some fleeting moments in the UAAP with coachNel PArado at the helm as he was given practically the license to dominate the ball. UST was never in contention in his one "great" season.

Joescoundrel
11-09-2007, 10:07 AM
Stevenson Solomon


Sayang, this guy. In his first couple of conferences with Alaska he averaged a 20-10 and was banging with the likes of Benjie Paras, Alvin Patrimonio and Jerry Codinera. Unfortunately he had fluid seeping into both knees, got surgery, had a very long and slow rehab, then came back to the PBA but just did not have the same power and explosiveness as he did before he got injured.

AnthonyServinio
11-09-2007, 10:37 AM
Stevenson Solomon


Sayang, this guy. In his first couple of conferences with Alaska he averaged a 20-10 and was banging with the likes of Benjie Paras, Alvin Patrimonio and Jerry Codinera. Unfortunately he had fluid seeping into both knees, got surgery, had a very long and slow rehab, then came back to the PBA but just did not have the same power and explosiveness as he did before he got injured.

IT was not his knees but an eye injury that slowed down the PBA career of Stevenson Solomon. Despite that, Solomon was able to stage a comeback with Purefoods in 1998.

When he signed up with the MBA's Davao Eagles in 1999, he got a knee injury. Unfortunately, the team had his surgery done in a Davao City hospital and the doctor sort of made a "mistake" that caused one of his legs to swell bigger than the other. It was never corrected since although he again tried another comeback via the MBA's Cebu Gems in 2002.

bchoter
11-09-2007, 12:35 PM
^ Can't forget his follow-up dunk off his own missed free throw. Talagang over the top. That was in the PABL whie he was playing for a burger company

james_ty
11-09-2007, 01:38 PM
If only all the PBA Coaches share the same philosophy as Yeng Guiao and are also great in bringing out the best with his players like the Pampanga Vice-Governor then I guess some of the PBL/PABL greats mentioned here would have been successful in the PBA as well.

Ok, to answer the thread...
Romel Adducul


Perhaps Romel Adducul's greatest sin was that he went to the MBA before he came to the PBA. In the MBA he was an MVP and clearly earned it playing in a league where the Fil-Foreign rules were hardly strict. By the time Adducul got to the PBA he had small but nagging problems with both knees and was not the superb transition sprinter he was in the MBA. Still, he remains one of the best post players in the country. In a scrimmage with Ateneo a couple years ago, he was the only one among a post platoon that included Don Allado and Kerby Raymundo to be able to score, rebound and defend consistently against a then burgeoning Japeth Aguilar.


I agree with you, but in fairness to Rommel, he showed flashes of brilliance in his last game against Ginebra.
We'll see tonight against Coke if he can do it regularly, every game.

kats613
11-09-2007, 02:33 PM
Andy de Guzman was also a force in the PBL/PABL but never got his game elevated to the pro ranks.

Andy de Guzman made it to the PBA. He was picked by Sta. Lucia during the 1993 draft. He played a very minor and supporting role for the Realtors who already had Jun Limpot and Gerry Esplana during that time.


Andy De Guzman was originally picked by RFM Swift in the 1990 PBA draft. He found his way to Sta. Lucia via a trade with a then up and coming star named Vergel Meneses in 1993 (Meneses was taken in by Sta. Lucia when it bought the Presto franchise)... wonder what the realtors were thinking back then? His best seasons in the PBA were with Swift from 1991-1992 (wherein he even averaged more than 20 pts during All Filipino finals against Purefoods). At Sta. Lucia it is not fair to brand him as having played a minor role as he had to first back-up Bogn Alvarez then Romy De La Rosa at the small forward slots but he was an effective sixth man during this tenure with the Realtors.

kats613
11-09-2007, 02:37 PM
Jojo Tangkay played for Sta. Lucia, right? Returned to the PBL, won an MVP, and is now back.

Eugene Quilban... Yeah, it must've been Johnny A., or personal (drug?) problems, or both...


Quilban was a loose cannon in more ways than one and this no doubt had a negative impact on his career. I remember seeing this guy at the now closed Padi's Point Greenhills after making it back to the PBA via Sta. Lucia in 1999 after a successful run with Davao in the MBA. He was downing a couple of pitchers with some friends.... at 1am in the morning. Sayang is all I can say about our local Isiah Thomas.

a_ron
11-10-2007, 07:03 AM
Bryan Punzalan think must be listed he played great basketball during UAAP and PBL but never in the PBA...AGREE?

Joescoundrel
11-16-2007, 10:38 PM
Bryan Punzalan think must be listed he played great basketball during UAAP and PBL but never in the PBA...AGREE?


Agree.

Although Punzalan did pretty well with the MBA's Pampanga Dragons alongside a fellow FEU Tamaraw Long David.

Its too bad his game inexplicably did not translate into PBA greatness although he had the size and strength to be a fulltime PBA 4/5.

AnthonyServinio
11-17-2007, 02:29 PM
Bryan Punzalan think must be listed he played great basketball during UAAP and PBL but never in the PBA...AGREE?


Agree.

Although Punzalan did pretty well with the MBA's Pampanga Dragons alongside a fellow FEU Tamaraw Long David.

Its too bad his game inexplicably did not translate into PBA greatness although he had the size and strength to be a fulltime PBA 4/5.

THE player is Bryant Punsalan.

ankle breaker
12-12-2007, 02:24 AM
ronald saracho of chowking. he teamed up with cesar romero and danny aying in the PBL. they were the reliable go to guys during their days but sad to say it was only danny aying who was able to make it to the pro ranks via ginebra but he didn't last long. he's now in cebu playing for ML.

salsa caballero
12-12-2007, 12:07 PM
Felix Duhig.Once scored 34 threes in a game. Battled Allan Caidic toe-to-toe in a Cebu three point shooting contest. Sadly, was at 5-10, too small for a two, and too slow for a one. Still, he had his 15 minutes in the late eighties and early nineties

dioning
12-12-2007, 06:17 PM
Jojo Tangkay played for Sta. Lucia, right? Returned to the PBL, won an MVP, and is now back.

Eugene Quilban... Yeah, it must've been Johnny A., or personal (drug?) problems, or both...


Quilban was a loose cannon in more ways than one and this no doubt had a negative impact on his career.* I remember seeing this guy at the now closed Padi's Point Greenhills after making it back to the PBA via Sta. Lucia in 1999 after a successful run with Davao in the MBA.* He was downing a couple of pitchers with some friends.... at 1am in the morning.* Sayang is all I can say about our local Isiah Thomas.


When they played San Sebastian, the Letran crowd would chant "KUTIS BAYAG, KUTIS BAYAG" everytime Quilban touches the ball.

nastrans
12-13-2007, 08:53 AM
Also Marlon Legaspi.


I think he has to be one of the victims of a rich 2003 draft and unfortunately he landed on a San Miguel squad with Danny I, Dorian Pena and others on the lineup.

But in the PBL, he was really a huge threat on the post for Blu Detergent, its just too bad it didnt translate into a similar scenario in the PBA.

salsa caballero
12-13-2007, 12:44 PM
Jojo Tangkay played for Sta. Lucia, right? Returned to the PBL, won an MVP, and is now back.

Eugene Quilban... Yeah, it must've been Johnny A., or personal (drug?) problems, or both...


Quilban was a loose cannon in more ways than one and this no doubt had a negative impact on his career.* I remember seeing this guy at the now closed Padi's Point Greenhills after making it back to the PBA via Sta. Lucia in 1999 after a successful run with Davao in the MBA.* He was downing a couple of pitchers with some friends.... at 1am in the morning.* Sayang is all I can say about our local Isiah Thomas.


When they played San Sebastian, the Letran crowd would chant "KUTIS BAYAG, KUTIS BAYAG" everytime Quilban touches the ball.* *


May balbas pala si Quilban dati?

the_shot
08-22-2008, 04:15 PM
don king sasuman

The_Big_Cat
08-22-2008, 06:17 PM
don king sasuman

He had a good career with Purefoods coming off the bench in the early 90s.

pepman
08-22-2008, 08:50 PM
Akala ko pangalan niya...

Dunking Sansuman!


On-topic: Jojo Tangkay

The_Big_Cat
08-22-2008, 08:55 PM
Akala ko pangalan niya...

Dunking Sansuman!


On-topic: Jojo Tangkay

It is Genesis Sasuman.
He together with Mike Mustre formed that dreaded backcourt duo at Letran.

Sam Miguel
08-23-2008, 08:55 AM
Eugene Quilban apparently kicked a referee in the PBL just this last Amino Cup and was banned for life by the league. Good luck to him trying to get any job any where remotely organized. Because of this he was unable to latch on to a gig in Liga Pilipinas. Funny what you learn when you have breakfast with Chino Trinidad. :-X

pepman
08-23-2008, 11:02 AM
Eugene Quilban apparently kicked a referee in the PBL just this last Amino Cup and was banned for life by the league. Good luck to him trying to get any job any where remotely organized. Because of this he was unable to latch on to a gig in Liga Pilipinas. Funny what you learn when you have breakfast with Chino Trinidad. :-X


He's still playing in PBL?What team?

Where he is now?

lionbanker
08-23-2008, 08:17 PM
Just want to add the following:

Former Stags - Peter Martin, Nap Hatton, Eton Navarro, Egay Macaraya, Toying Teves, Buboy Tanigue, Jasper Ocampo, Brixter Encarnacion, Banjo Calpito, Rommel Daep, Marasigan.

Former Green Archers - Jason Webb, Aldeguer, Glenn Patrimonio andTyrone Bautista drafted but was not able to play in the PBA, Dicky Bachmann, Del Rosario, Sta. Maria's - Joey and Adonis,

Former Blue Eagles - Alex Araneta, Jayvee Gayoso, Nonoy Chuatico, Vince Hizon, Dudut Jaworski :D

Joescoundrel
08-24-2008, 11:17 AM
Eugene Quilban apparently kicked a referee in the PBL just this last Amino Cup and was banned for life by the league. Good luck to him trying to get any job any where remotely organized. Because of this he was unable to latch on to a gig in Liga Pilipinas. Funny what you learn when you have breakfast with Chino Trinidad. :-X


He's still playing in PBL?What team?

Where he is now?


I think Sam means Eugene TAN.

Dark Knight
08-24-2008, 11:18 PM
Not sure if this player played at the PBA but Johenel Cardel was onced compared to Avelino Lim because of his high leaping ability.

Dark Knight
08-24-2008, 11:21 PM
Question

Did Tristan Codamon, who was once a partner of Marlon Legaspi ever drafted, or even applied for the draft in the PBA?

pepman
08-25-2008, 01:03 PM
Not sure if this player played at the PBA but Johenel Cardel was onced compared to Avelino Lim because of his high leaping ability.


He played in the PBA.

bluebruiser90
08-26-2008, 01:46 AM
Not sure if this player played at the PBA but Johenel Cardel was onced compared to Avelino Lim because of his high leaping ability.


Shell and Sta. Lucia. Played productive years then played in the MBA.

bchoter
08-26-2008, 09:48 AM
Demet Dark Knight, you talk as if Johnedel Cardel's career was a lifetime ago :(

evil_fish
08-26-2008, 10:11 PM
Dreaded Shooters from the PBL who never got the breaks given to Allan Caidic

Biboy Simon
Henry Fernandez
Egay Macaraya

Heel
08-27-2008, 12:39 AM
Mar Morelos
Marvin Ortiguerra
NiŅo Gelig

bossman
08-27-2008, 11:04 AM
Next to Sonny Cabatu, Eugene Quilban is probably the most heralded PABL/PBL player who failed to live up to his billing in the pros. He had some moderate success... until Johnny A. Happened


Eugene had his time in the sun in the PBA, but it was just a glimpse of his potential. We all know what he can do more. He just did not live his expectations. But still Eugene holds a single game record for assist.

Joescoundrel
08-27-2008, 11:20 AM
Can we include Jojo Villapando in this discussion? To my recollection Villapando was one of the best scoring combo-guards in the old PABL but just did not become a PBA superstar.

bchoter
08-27-2008, 11:27 AM
Next to Sonny Cabatu, Eugene Quilban is probably the most heralded PABL/PBL player who failed to live up to his billing in the pros. He had some moderate success... until Johnny A. Happened


Eugene had his time in the sun in the PBA, but it was just a glimpse of his potential. We all know what he can do more. He just did not live his expectations. But still Eugene holds a single game record for assist.
His failure to live up to expectations (which were not unrealistic considering his natural talent and skills) can be blamed to his lack of discipline.



Can we include Jojo Villapando in this discussion? To my recollection Villapando was one of the best scoring combo-guards in the old PABL but just did not become a PBA superstar.
I agree, Joe. He was, at one point, part of the National Team. Perhaps we can also include former Falcon wingman Nandy Garcia. Great things were expected from him after displaying skills and athleticism in the amateurs. He just did not pan out in the pros

pepman
08-27-2008, 04:58 PM
Can we include Jojo Villapando in this discussion? To my recollection Villapando was one of the best scoring combo-guards in the old PABL but just did not become a PBA superstar.


Ganun?
Eh naging jouneyman asistant yan from Sta. Lucia to RB.

The_Big_Cat
08-27-2008, 05:55 PM
Not sure if this player played at the PBA but Johenel Cardel was onced compared to Avelino Lim because of his high leaping ability.


Shell and Sta. Lucia. Played productive years then played in the MBA.

I think Johnedel Cardel was more being compared to Jojo Lastimosa during the late 80s. He first played in Alaska before joining the Negros Slashers in the MBA.

The_Big_Cat
08-27-2008, 05:57 PM
How about Jerome Cueto who played alongisde Leo Austria in that Masagana 99 PABL team?

bchoter
08-27-2008, 06:35 PM
^ Throwback nga talaga :D. At one point he was being groomed as Hector Calma's heir and I consider him among my favorite PGs during his time.

The_Big_Cat
08-27-2008, 06:55 PM
^ Throwback nga talaga :D. At one point he was being groomed as Hector Calma's heir and I consider him among my favorite PGs during his time.

Pati tayong dalawa throwback din.* ;D

Yes you're right bchoter. Halos parehong pareho silang maglaro ni Hector Calma. Parehong height at parehong jersey number.
May bigote lang nga si* Cueto.* ;D

Pati yung overhead pass nila, pareho din.* ;)
Sayang at hindi lang umunlad ang career ni Jerome Cueto.

RockLobster
08-27-2008, 09:08 PM
^Di ba may kasabayan sila ni Naron na Quiday ang last name? Naaalala ko na may program ID yung PABL na sila ang mga binabanggit na mga star players.

bchoter
08-28-2008, 10:04 AM
^ Throwback nga talaga :D. At one point he was being groomed as Hector Calma's heir and I consider him among my favorite PGs during his time.

Pati tayong dalawa throwback din.* ;D

Yes you're right bchoter. Halos parehong pareho silang maglaro ni Hector Calma. Parehong height at parehong jersey number.
May bigote lang nga si* Cueto.* ;D

Pati yung overhead pass nila, pareho din.* ;)
Sayang at hindi lang umunlad ang career ni Jerome Cueto.
Naglaro siya minsan sa province namin as part of a touring group and we were lucky to play pick-up game with and against him in our school. I also saw some of his games in Pampanga. I think the league was called "Sama-sama sa Paglaro" or something.

untamed
08-28-2008, 08:18 PM
joel dualan
jojo manalo
aldrin morante
jomar ruby
reuben dela rosa
chris cantonjos
bryan gahol

ankle breaker
08-28-2008, 09:29 PM
for me, there too many to list and here's some examples. the likes of:

rhoel buenaventura
marlon legaspi
arnold calo
mel latoreno
cris nicdao
gerard jones
marc steven victoria
roel bravo
edwin bacani
onak magtulis
mark saquilayan
bryan gahol
gerard francisco
brix encarnacion
ulises "boboy" tanigue

The_Big_Cat
08-29-2008, 10:27 AM
Danny Francisco.

The biggest name in the amateurs in the late 80s. A member of the Ateneo UAAP champion team and of the 1989 RP Youth team. The 6'7" center played for the Magnolia Ice Cream PABL team alongside with Jun Limpot.

The Derek Pumaren-coached team had the two most dominant cagers of the UAAP playing for him. Danny Francisco was hyped as the next "Ramon Fernandez". Unfortunately, Francisco had to quit basketball in 1990 due to a heart ailment. If he could have played in the PBA, he could have gave Alvin Patrimonio a run for his money in his 4 PBA MVP seasons.

Sam Miguel
08-29-2008, 11:59 AM
Ruel Buenaventura, Bryan Gahol, Marvin Ortiguera and Allan Gamboa were the frontline rotation of Dr J when they went up against an all-star Tanduay frontline sometime in 1998 for the PBL second conference Championship. Tanduay had then-MVP Eric Menk together with UAAP stars Chris Cantonjos, Mark Telan and Erwin Luna. Gahol sank pressure freethrows in the end-game as Dr J roundly upset Tanduay to win that crown.

I though at least Buenaventura and Gahol from that Dr J team would become big-time PBA stars given their overall skill set. Both were in the 6-foot-6 range but were not lumbering oafs. Gahol was a 6-foot-3 swingman on the 1995 RP Youth team that also had Rommel Adducul and Danny Ildefonso. When he shot up to nearly 6-foot-6 as a UP Fighting Maroon he retained his perimeter skills which I thought would serve him in good stead in the PBA.

Buenaventura was a precursor to Nonoy Baclao, a taller and longer version of Baclao, a guy who was a good instinctive shotblocker and smart position rebounder. He also had a steady enough jumpshot from up to 16, 17 feet, apart from his solid if unspectacular low post moves. When he was with UE he was the best and most consistent player on a team of really good players.

I was really disappointed that these two never quite panned out in the PBA.

BigBlue
08-29-2008, 12:19 PM
is this the Buenaventura that played for UE?

bchoter
08-29-2008, 01:23 PM
Gahol never really recovered from his injury.

Maybe we can also add Jolly Escobar and this one other big man from UE who was a perenial RP Team cager but had mediocre PBA careers.

The_Big_Cat
08-29-2008, 04:37 PM
Nestor Echano. The left-handed sweet shooter had a stellar career in the amateurs. Two championships with the FEU Tamaraws. Then played with Crispa in the PABL before joining the MBA with the Manila MetroStars where he won a title with Rommel Adducul.

I thought then he would be another Allan Caidic in the making but injuries have hampered his career.

bchoter
08-29-2008, 07:07 PM
Ruel Buenaventura, Bryan Gahol, Marvin Ortiguera and Allan Gamboa were the frontline rotation of Dr J when they went up against an all-star Tanduay frontline sometime in 1998 for the PBL second conference Championship. Tanduay had then-MVP Eric Menk together with UAAP stars Chris Cantonjos, Mark Telan and Erwin Luna. Gahol sank pressure freethrows in the end-game as Dr J roundly upset Tanduay to win that crown.
Cantonjos also had a so-so PBA career.

RockLobster
08-30-2008, 12:08 AM
Maybe we can also add Jolly Escobar and this one other big man from UE who was a perenial RP Team cager but had mediocre PBA careers.


Si bong solomon ba yung tinutukoy mo?

bluebruiser90
08-30-2008, 01:24 AM
^Probably not. Bong Solomon played for San Sebastian.

It could either be Ruel Buenaventura or Braulio Lim.

amdgc82
08-30-2008, 06:09 AM
Gahol never really recovered from his injury.

Maybe we can also add Jolly Escobar and this one other big man from UE who was a perenial RP Team cager but had mediocre PBA careers.


Marcelino "Mar" Morelos?

Sam Miguel
08-30-2008, 11:42 AM
is this the Buenaventura that played for UE?


Yes, the same guy, Big Blue.

Sam Miguel
08-30-2008, 11:48 AM
Gahol never really recovered from his injury.

Maybe we can also add Jolly Escobar and this one other big man from UE who was a perenial RP Team cager but had mediocre PBA careers.


This could be Braulio "Bolo" Lim, the star power forward of UE in the middle to late 1990's. Bolo was around 6-foot-4 and was a solid post scorer who also had a good set shot all the way out to the three-point line. I believe he was drafted by Purefoods but his PBA career never really got anywhere. I think he had one RP Team stint only.

It could also be Mar Morelos, whose last of three or four RP Team stints was on the 1995 SEA Games team that also included Marlou Aquino, Jason Webb and Rodney Santos. Although Morelos was at least five inches shorter than Aquino he averaged over 10 rebounds per game in that tournament, at least three rebounds more per game than Aquino. I think Morelos is now a konsehal in Valenzuela. Last we spoke he said his lower back problems were never really solved and that drastically altered his career plans.

RockLobster
08-30-2008, 06:25 PM
Ah ok Baste pala si Solomon. I always remember him in a red jersey kaya siguro inisip ko na UE siya. Red Stag pala hindi Red Warrior. Thanks for the correction.

a_ron
08-31-2008, 10:46 PM
Biboy Simon and Henry Fernandez tong dalawang tao na toh grabe kung tumira sa 3 sa PBL but when they entered PBA they never became that great.

Joescoundrel
09-04-2008, 06:43 PM
^ I remember some of their shootouts. I think Henry Fernandez was with Red Bull, can't quite remember Biboy Simon's team though.

bchoter
09-04-2008, 07:02 PM
Gahol never really recovered from his injury.

Maybe we can also add Jolly Escobar and this one other big man from UE who was a perenial RP Team cager but had mediocre PBA careers.


This could be Braulio "Bolo" Lim, the star power forward of UE in the middle to late 1990's. Bolo was around 6-foot-4 and was a solid post scorer who also had a good set shot all the way out to the three-point line. I believe he was drafted by Purefoods but his PBA career never really got anywhere. I think he had one RP Team stint only.

It could also be Mar Morelos, whose last of three or four RP Team stints was on the 1995 SEA Games team that also included Marlou Aquino, Jason Webb and Rodney Santos. Although Morelos was at least five inches shorter than Aquino he averaged over 10 rebounds per game in that tournament, at least three rebounds more per game than Aquino. I think Morelos is now a konsehal in Valenzuela. Last we spoke he said his lower back problems were never really solved and that drastically altered his career plans.
Yes, Lim was who I had in mind. I really thought he could cut it in the pros because he complements his post game with a reliable outside shot and he was pretty mobile for a big man.

lbt101
09-04-2008, 09:16 PM
For me its Apet Jao. PBA 1st pick in the early 90's, unfortunately for him, he was playing along side the great "triggerman"

yungha
09-04-2008, 10:25 PM
Ah ok Baste pala si Solomon. I always remember him in a red jersey kaya siguro inisip ko na UE siya. Red Stag pala hindi Red Warrior. Thanks for the correction.



speaking of bong solomon, for the longest time he held the pbl single-game record for most rebounds in a single game with 27 or 28. don't know if the record was since surpassed by menk or taulava. solomon dominated as the sole post presence for the cebuano-dominated mama's love. he was drafted by alaska but eye problems got in the way of a productive pro career.

bossman
09-04-2008, 10:33 PM
Gahol never really recovered from his injury.

Maybe we can also add Jolly Escobar and this one other big man from UE who was a perenial RP Team cager but had mediocre PBA careers.


This could be Braulio "Bolo" Lim, the star power forward of UE in the middle to late 1990's. Bolo was around 6-foot-4 and was a solid post scorer who also had a good set shot all the way out to the three-point line. I believe he was drafted by Purefoods but his PBA career never really got anywhere. I think he had one RP Team stint only.

It could also be Mar Morelos, whose last of three or four RP Team stints was on the 1995 SEA Games team that also included Marlou Aquino, Jason Webb and Rodney Santos. Although Morelos was at least five inches shorter than Aquino he averaged over 10 rebounds per game in that tournament, at least three rebounds more per game than Aquino. I think Morelos is now a konsehal in Valenzuela. Last we spoke he said his lower back problems were never really solved and that drastically altered his career plans.
Yes, Lim was who I had in mind. I really thought he could cut it in the pros because he complements his post game with a reliable outside shot and he was pretty mobile for a big man.


Nasa Liga pa pala now si Braulio. Kita ko kanina ah..

bchoter
09-05-2008, 02:02 PM
^ Oo nga and he's playing meaningful minutes. At nandon din si Rommel David... parang flashback :D

jackndbox
09-05-2008, 03:15 PM
Former Goldies/Tigers Estong(?) Ballesteros, Edmund Reyes come to mind.*

Ogie Gumatay of the Maroons who was touted to be the point guard of the future, so with the little brother of Boybits Victoria who formed the nucleus of the Maroons with Gahol if my memory serves me right. (I don't know why they never landed in the UAAP final four despite having these players) Might be OT but* i think they at one time played with long time Alaska center whose name escapes me as of this moment, not Alex Araneta.

The_Big_Cat
09-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Former Goldies/Tigers Estong(?) Ballesteros, Edmund Reyes come to mind.

Ogie Gumatay of the Maroons who was touted to be the point guard of the future, so with the little brother of Boybits Victoria who formed the nucleus of the Maroons with Gahol if my memory serves me right. (I don't know why they never landed in the UAAP final four despite having these players) Might be OT but i think they at one time played with long time Alaska center whose name escapes me as of this moment, not Alex Araneta.




^Edward Juinio?

Juinio was way ahead of Gumatay, Victoria and Gahol.

joelex
09-05-2008, 05:55 PM
nag abot ba sila gumatay and paolo mendoza sa up? how about edrick ferrer?

bchoter
09-05-2008, 06:05 PM
^ I think they came in together. Kasama din yata si Bryan Gahol sa batch nila..

Omanzie Rodriguez seem to be the next important big man when he was in the amateurs.

joelex
09-05-2008, 06:39 PM
he was drafted high in the PBA also, I think 3rd overall by Norman Black in SLR who dreamt of that triple tower connection along with aquino and espino. haha. never got to see the potential though.

The_Big_Cat
09-05-2008, 08:31 PM
Magkasabay dumating sila Ogie Gumatay, Bing Victoria, Bryan Gahol, Paolo Mendoza at Allan Gamboa.

Omanzie Rodriguez was highly touted in the NCAA for Mapua but left early to join the Pasig-Rizal Pirates in the MBA.

tigerman
09-05-2008, 09:59 PM
Former Goldies/Tigers Estong(?) Ballesteros*

I read somewhere that Estong was a former Robin before going to Espana.



Ogie Gumatay of the Maroons who was touted to be the point guard of the future, so with the little brother of Boybits Victoria who formed the nucleus of the Maroons with Gahol if my memory serves me right. (I don't know why they never landed in the UAAP final four despite having these players)

AFAIK, they did enter the final four in 1997. Other notable Maroons then were Paolo Mendoza, Jonathan Serrano and Butchuy Du. I'm not sure though if the latter was still a Maroon that time.



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

The_Big_Cat
09-06-2008, 09:54 AM
[ AFAIK, they did enter the final four in 1997. Other notable Maroons then were Paolo Mendoza, Jonathan Serrano and Butchuy Du. I'm not sure though if the latter was still a Maroon that time.



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

Raymund "Butchoy" Du was a member of the 1989 RP Youth team while Paolo Mendoza was a member of the 1994 RP Youth team. Hindi sila nag-abot sa UP.

-insane-
09-08-2008, 07:08 PM
syempre si alex compton hehehe

al magpayo pbl mvp pero saglit lang sa pba

pepman
09-11-2008, 09:49 PM
Former Goldies/Tigers Estong(?) Ballesteros

I read somewhere that Estong was a former Robin before going to Espana.



Ogie Gumatay of the Maroons who was touted to be the point guard of the future, so with the little brother of Boybits Victoria who formed the nucleus of the Maroons with Gahol if my memory serves me right. (I don't know why they never landed in the UAAP final four despite having these players)

AFAIK, they did enter the final four in 1997. Other notable Maroons then were Paolo Mendoza, Jonathan Serrano and Butchuy Du. I'm not sure though if the latter was still a Maroon that time.

1996 lang ang only appearance ng UP sa F4.



USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

Dark Knight
09-12-2008, 09:56 PM
Pakisama nya na nga si Hercules Jojo Tangkay. ;D

Emon74
09-13-2008, 06:16 PM
jun limpot and johnedel cardel has to be, if limpot followed the path of meneses, dapat umalis na siya sa sta.lucia noon pa, Meneses went on to win PBA titles sa Swift, his former amateur team, Limpot and Cardel, who had multiple PBL titles sa Magnolia, had they been sa San Miguel in the PBA, they might be more successful.

Limpot won only one PBA crown sa Purefoods in 2006, when mga kasabayan niya were no longer around in the league. he wasnt even a factor in the giants title win.