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Schortsanitis
10-28-2007, 10:08 AM
Surprise early stats leaders for the 2007 ROY awards:

* Chico Lanete (Purefoods), not picked in the 2006 PBA Draft, 2007 rookie free agent

* Ronjay Buenafe (Coca-Cola), 12th pick in the 2007 PBA Draft

Dark Knight
10-28-2007, 01:40 PM
I think Lanete is not eligible for ROY because he joined the draft last year. Technically, is this correct?

MonL
10-28-2007, 06:25 PM
I think Lanete is not eligible for ROY because he joined the draft last year. Technically, is this correct?


Wouldn't a player's candidacy for this particular award begin from the moment he steps on the court to play in an official game for the* first time, irrespective of whether or not he was drafted in prior years and not played (aka rookie free agent)? After all, to simplify matters, to qualify for this award a candidate need only be a first-year player.

Schortsanitis
11-01-2007, 05:16 PM
I think Chico Lanete should still be eligible for the ROY award, since this is his first year in the PBA.

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The thing that mystifies me right now, is how come among the players playing no. 2-3 from the 2007 PBA Draft, Ronjay Buenafe (drafted no. 11) is outplaying all of the other swingmen out there right now, like Ryan Reyes (drafted no. 3) & JC Intal (drafted no. 4).

I mean if you think about it, Ronjay ended up at no. 11 because he has the least credentials among the 2-3 players in the draft. Reyes came from an American school, Intal came from a known UAAP school. Ronjay, on the other hand, came from a non-UAAP/NCAA school (EAC).

I think it has something to w/ age. Not sure of Ronjay's age, but if he around 26 years old already, & older than any of those other guys, then that would partly explain his terrific performance thus far. Because it means he has had more experience playing big games, & it also means he has better maturity than anybody coming into the league.

aircanda
11-01-2007, 10:46 PM
how about jr aquino? napabilib niya ako.. ang alam ko seldom-used lang siya sa la salle date..

joelex
11-01-2007, 11:45 PM
JC Intal's lack of one on one skills is slowly becoming more evident. He managed to score in the UAAP bec of his major size advantage in his position but now in the PBA it is negated already. In iso plays he cannot get past his defender because he cannot drive strong to the hoop not to mention he has a slow first step. Tirang takot, cannot even draw a foul. wala pang outside shot.

has anyone noticed na wala syang puso mag laro? in his young PBA career, i can recall 3 instances na sa harap na niya ang bola, hindi pa kinuha, napunta tuloy sa kalaban.

With his size for a wing player hopefully gets his act together soon to join the race...

Schortsanitis
11-02-2007, 11:06 AM
how about jr aquino? napabilib niya ako.. ang alam ko seldom-used lang siya sa la salle date..


This guy is a big surprise also. He moves well without the ball, & he is a deadshot from the perimeter. So if you get the ball to him at the right time when he's open for his set shot, 'pasok.' That's why he's getting good minutes w/ his team.

mighty_lion
11-03-2007, 10:10 AM
JC Intal's lack of one on one skills is slowly becoming more evident.

I would have to agree on this one. He needs to work on how to overrun his defenders and improve his outside shooting.

Kabaliktaran naman ni Intal ang pinagdadaanan ni Aljamal. When he is on the defensive end, lagi syang naiiwan ng binabantayan nya sa wing. Jamal needs to work on his lateral quickness and sealing both sides agaisnt slash.

whiplash
11-03-2007, 01:22 PM
Buenafe is 23 or 24 years old.. not more than that i believe

how old are the rest of the other positioned 2-3 rookies?

what are the stats on Lanete and Buenafe thus far?

Schortsanitis
11-03-2007, 08:28 PM
In 3 games up to Oct. 31, 2007:

JC Intal
-* 17 mpg
-* 3 ppg
-* 0/4 (0%) 3-pt. ave.
-* 4/13 (32%) 2-pt. ave.


Ronjay Buenafe
-* 31.22 mpg
-* 13.67 ppg
-* 5/26 (19.16%) 3-pt. ave.
-* 7/11 (70%) 2-pt. ave.

yokam
11-05-2007, 09:04 AM
It's still too early to tell. There's still a lot of time for the rookies to show off. Let's wait until JC Intal, Ken Bono, and Ryan Reyes gets used to PBA basketball.

But for now, my vote goes to Joe Devance. He'll win the ROY.

Schortsanitis
11-06-2007, 09:26 PM
As of Nov. 4, 2007:

Ronjay Buenafe
-* 31.50 mpg, 14.75 ppg, 8/34 (23.53%) 3-pt. ave. (poor 3-point shooting), 9/15 (60%) 2-pt. ave. (excellent 2-point shooting)
-* Ronjay was picked no. 11 in the PBA Rookie draft, & has FAR outperformed both JC Intal (picked no. 4) & Ryan Reyes (picked no. 3) thus far.


Joe Devance
-* 25 mpg, 11.6 ppg, 8/25 (32%) 3-pt. ave. (average 3-point shooting), 13/33 (39.39%) 2-pt. ave. (poor 2-point shooting)


JC Intal
-* 16.25 mpg, 3.25 ppg, 0/6 (0%) 3-point ave. (terrible 3-point shooting), 6/17 (35.29%) 2-pt. ave. (poor 2-point shooting)
-* Picked no. 4 in the draft, miserable shooting from the floor.* "The Rocket" has been a dud thus far in the PBA.* If he doesn't improve, he could be out of the league in a season or two


Ryan Reyes
-* 17.67 mpg, 6 ppg, 0/6 (0%) 3-point ave. (terrible 3-point shooting), 5/9 (55.56%) 2-pt. ave. (very good 2-point shooting)
-* Picked no. 3 in the draft, ave. performance, but still a disappointment considering no. 11 pick Buenafe is having so much better stats than him


Doug Kramer
-* 19.75 mpg, 6.25 ppg, 10/18 (55.56%) 2-pt. ave. (very good 2-point shooting), 6.5 rpg
-* Steady player, may have found a home in the PBA.* Best rebounding stats among the rookies.* Can't create his shots, gets his points off hand offs or from the free throw line.* Good role player.


Sam Eman
-* 9.40 mpg, 3.80 ppg, 7/14 (50%) 2-pt. ave. (average 2-point shooting), 2.8 rpg
-* Picked no. 2 in the draft, just not getting enough minutes on the floor


JR Quinahan
-* 11.4 mpg, 4.6 ppg, 1/2 (50%) 3-point ave. (average 3-point shooting), 8/15 (53.33%) 2-pt. ave. (very good 2-point shooting), 3.2 rpg
-* Limited minutes, creditable showing


Ken Bono
-* 13.4 mpg, 4.6 ppg, 1/4 (25%) 3-point ave. (poor 3-point shooting), 8/24 (33.33%) 2-pt. ave. (poor 2-point shooting), 4.4 rpg
-* Fat boy is struggling w/ his offense in the PBA, though getting decent rebounding numbers

erichubert
11-06-2007, 11:29 PM
Ronjay is producing better numbers because of the confidence given him by Coach Binky Favis, as far as I can see, he is also atrocious from outside, but he gets lots of opportunities to make mistakes early on. Even he commits an error or misses a shot, he isn't pulled out right away. JC in the meantime is being used sparingly and his minutes have not been stable, he has been forced to play behind KG and Arwind. When Gary David comes back, he would fall further behind in the rotation. I think he should play with more confidence to be able to stay in the PBA. I don't think he is being utilized properly at this point, so in the limited time given him, he should be aggressive always.

I think without a doubt Joe Devance would win the ROY and would be the most successful of this batch, but as for the others, its still too early to tell. Look at LA Tenorio who contended for the ROY last year, right now, he is almost the 3rd PG in Magnolia because of his poor play of late. Same with Larry Fonacier who won the ROY in his batch but lags far behind Cardona right now.

yokam
11-07-2007, 10:15 AM
There's a greater possibility that among this season's rookies, JC Intal and Sam Eman are the ones who's going to be left out.

Intal
Definitely right, he's among the last options Air21 has as of this moment. Arwind Santos and KG Canaleta are playing superb basketball lately, and the return of ace scorer Gary David will surely hurt Intal's minutes more. Without playing major minutes, Intal can't produce much.

Eman
Playing alongside a very formidable Magnolia team, like Intal, Eman is among the last options in the team. Because of his inexperience and the good chemistry Magnolia's big men has, Eman will be sparringly used and won't be given much time, of course, not unless if he can prove he can do it. With Dorian Peña out, Eman's got a good shot to prove himself, but of course for now, he'll just have to accept the fact that he's right behind Danny Ildefonso and Enrico Villanueva, two guys who are expected to get a lot of minutes per night. What could possibly hurt Eman more is that Danny Seigle sometimes goes up to the 4 spot.

I'd really expect Joe Devance, Ryan Reyes, JR Quiñahan, and Ken Bono to have a breakout midway through the season. Devance had stellar moments during the preseason but his injuries probably had slowed him down a bit.

kaybee07
11-07-2007, 02:57 PM
JR Quinahan

- Limited minutes, creditable showing



I think the same description applies to Bono, it's evident that Tim Cone relies heavily on his veterans and does not give his new guys much time on the floor.

yokam
11-07-2007, 04:55 PM
It's really not that surprising why Tim Cone would use his veterans more. They've got the experience he needs. In time Ken Bono and JR Quiñahan will get used to the PBA, develop more confidence, and eventually, become Alaska and PBA's stars. They are good investments for Alaska's future.

erichubert
11-07-2007, 07:09 PM
I think Quinahan has played better than Bono in the limited time they have played. JR plays good defense and shoots the ball better at this point. Ken is still too overweight at this point, I really think he has to develop that body to stay long in the PBA.

JC will stay long in the PBA, it is just a matter of time and confidence. Plus, he needs to be at the right team, like Joseph Yeo who last year was accumulating DNP-Coach's decision, while this year he is averaging in double figures and starting for his new team. I don't get why KG is being given the star treatment in Air21, even he jacks up so many ill-advised 3 pt shots and turns the ball over and over, he still gets the bulk of the minutes.

So far the top ten rookies for me in order are: Devance, Lanete, Buenafe, Ryan Arana, Kramer, Daa, Quinahan, Jonas Villanueva, Samigue Eman and Rob Sanz.

yokam
11-07-2007, 10:55 PM
Ryan Reyes just had his best game so far in the season, scoring 14 points and grabbing 5 rebounds in Sta. Lucia's 115-80 blowout over nothing less than the PBA's top offensive and high octane team Air21 Express. The 21-year-old Reyes was defined as playing like a veteran with all his heart out. Reyes was diving for lose balls and relentlessly attacking the lane.

Can he keep it up? Hmmm. Sta. Lucia head coach Boyet Bautista were all praises for Reyes after the game.

Reyes didn't suit up in their 94-100 loss to Red Bull the game before.

Schortsanitis
11-07-2007, 11:04 PM
I think the same description applies to Bono, it's evident that Tim Cone relies heavily on his veterans and does not give his new guys much time on the floor.

I'm bothered by Ken's poor percentages from the floor. Both he & Quinahan are averaging the same no. of points, 4.6 ppg, but JR is shooting a lot better from the floor, while logging the lesser no. of minutes. To me this indicates Ken is having a bit of a problem getting his offensive game on track in the PBA thus far.

He is rebounding more than JR, though. Maybe off his misses? Anyway, we'll review the stats later in a month or two for these set of rookies.

whiplash
11-10-2007, 02:09 PM
thanks for the continued updates on the stats of the top 3 or 4 guys.. keep em coming!

Schortsanitis
11-11-2007, 10:23 AM
* The Ryan Reyes we saw against Air 21 was the Ryan Reyes expected when he was picked no. 3 overall in the 2 PBA Draft. He scored 14 pts. in the 1st half. Soft touch from the outside, great bursts of speed, excellent ballhandling, good penetrations against a half court defense. He needs to assert himself offensively, SLR NEEDS his offensIve game.

* 2nd straight great game from Eman against the Alaska Aces. With that game, I think he proved that given the proper breaks, he can, indeed, become a solid player in the PBA. 16 pts. On 5/5 (100%) shooting from the field, including 2 spectacular dunks, one posterizing the also 6'8" Sonny Thoss. He also had 5 blocks, and about 5 rebounds. All he needs is the playing time and confidence to allow him to show his stuff.

james_ty
11-11-2007, 01:43 PM
I've been hearing rumors that JC Intal is being put on the trading block.

aircanda
11-11-2007, 02:00 PM
^^ kanino daw balak itrade?

james_ty
11-11-2007, 02:06 PM
^^ kanino daw balak itrade?


The reports are sketchy and I got them from another forum so I cannot reveal the details yet.

joelex
11-11-2007, 04:15 PM
for a 2015 3rd round draft pick, but air 21 is trying to get a 2015 2nd round pick. ;D

a_ron
11-11-2007, 08:42 PM
SamiGUE Eman.
Is my bet for this year Rokie of the year for Many reason

a_ron
11-11-2007, 08:50 PM
SamiGUE *Eman.

Is my bet for this year Rokie of the year Because

He is playing with the Magnolia team whom we expect to be the top team they will be playing in the Finals for sure and Eventually became the Champion.. No question on the talent of the other rokies it is just that their teams are not that strong with Emans team..Like Devance Definetly Welcome will n ot make it even in the Wildcard Phase..Same with REyes Sta. Lucia wont not make it mush more With Rinjay Bunafe Coke will be 1st team that wud be eliminated..with Intal and the 2 big guys namely Bono n Baby Shag quinahan they does not have enough playing time to at the contention for the award...Just like what happen when Larry Fonacier who won the Award with Red Bull During thhat time I think The Barakos enter the finals 2 times that hekp laary to won the Award/.

irateluvmachine
11-12-2007, 08:38 PM
^again, blame it on the PBA's time-honored, yet inaccurate system of giving more weight towards players whose teams play, and subsequently win more games. sam eman is playing well so far for a powerful magnolia team, but overall, doesn't hold a candle to the performance of joe devance and ronjay buenafe...who have both ended up with weak teams.

number one case in point - vergel meneses losing the 1992 ROY award to bong ravena, just because meneses played for the then-lowly presto team in its last year in the PBA (and being arguably the team's best player), as opposed to ravena, who was third (or maybe even 4th or 5th) man off the bench for a powerful san miguel team.

Schortsanitis
11-12-2007, 11:14 PM
Overall, I think the PBA should put more weight on individual averages rather than statistical point accummulation. The statistical point accummulation tends to favor the average player in a strong team than an exceptional player in a weak team. Hence you have controversies like the mediocre Ravena winning over the All-Star Meneses.

a_ron
11-13-2007, 08:20 AM
Same thing what happen to Noli Locsin way back 1996, noli played the best basketball among his batch(Victoria and Evangelista)he averages almost 30 pts a game but Ginebra played less games coz of early elimanation as compare to Purefoods and Sunkist where Victoria and Evangelista played respectively...Boybits Victoria won The ROY who played behind Noli...You are correct the proces of Selecting the ROY is deffective...

whiplash
11-14-2007, 11:43 AM
i agree with several of your opinions...

its not about if your team does best, because a rookie is one person and is definitely not the deciding factor in making your team have the highest winning percentage...

i think it should be based on a) individual rookie statistics and b) his effect on the team (eg., how valuable his contributions are...

of course the criteria for an MVP is a whole different story...

mighty_lion
11-19-2007, 09:18 AM
Homer and very biased vote. :D

Aljamal had his best game so far in the PBA yesterday. 4/7 from 3 pt area, 5/9 FG%, 15 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assist, 0 turnovers in 24 minutes.

Schortsanitis
11-19-2007, 09:51 PM
^^^
Aljamal has morphed into a 3 pt. specialist in the pros, most of his points have been coming off 3 pt. shots. Anyway, w/ his heads up play, I will have to start tracking his stats also for the next update .....

james_ty
11-20-2007, 01:23 PM
^^^
Aljamal has morphed into a 3 pt. specialist in the pros, most of his points have been coming off 3 pt. shots.* Anyway, w/ his heads up play, I will have to start tracking his stats also for the next update .....


With the way Aljamal has been playing, he is doing the same things Vic Pablo used to do with TNT.

When Pablo retired at the end of last season, Frankie Lim -- who was Aljamal's coach in San Beda -- recommended Yousif to fill in Pablo's shoes.

That's why I expect Aljamal's minutes to increase as the season progresses.

In a team laden with superstars, Aljamal rose to the occasion last Sunday. I hope the PBA Press Corps consider him as a Player of the Week in the not so distant future.

whiplash
11-24-2007, 01:30 PM
any updates on the stats? ppg? number of games played? apg? rpg? other stats?

Schortsanitis
11-24-2007, 08:20 PM
Once a month 'naman, para di masyadong matrabaho, he-he-he.' I initially released the stats Nov. 4, 2007, so 'mga after Dec. 4, 2007 na yung next update.'

gambitx
11-25-2007, 01:50 PM
magnolia sucks.... theyre not winning even with a strong line-up... so that means Eman would have little chance for a shot for ROY award

whiplash
11-29-2007, 01:59 PM
Once a month 'naman, para di masyadong matrabaho, he-he-he.' I initially released the stats Nov. 4, 2007, so 'mga after Dec. 4, 2007 na yung next update.'


its okay sir, take your time.. we appreciate the effort..

Schortsanitis
12-06-2007, 09:51 PM
Below are the statistical of most of the rookies playing decent minutes so far.* Stats are as of Dec. 5, 2007, & courtesy of the www.pba-online.net website:

JC Intal
-* 10 g - 16.2 mpg - 5.9 ppg - (5/29) 17.2% 3-pt FG - (22/74) 29.7% 2-pt FG - 3 rpg - 1.7 apg
-* Absolutely miserable 3-pt. shooting, equally miserable 2-pt. shooting.* Still can't get his offense on track in the big league.* Known for his offense in college, a major bust so far in the big league.* Some rebounding & assists, not what is expected from a scorer.

Ronjay Buenafe
-* 10 g - 26.9 mpg - 12.5 ppg - (15/59) 25.4% 3-pt FG - (36/104) 34.6% 2-pt FG - 3 rpg - 2.1 apg
-* Miserable 3-pt. shooting, also miserable 2-pt. shooting.* Scoring have gone down lately.* Averaging in double figures in scoring only because he gets major minutes & lots of attempts on the basket.* Some rebounding & assists.

Joe Devance
-* 10 g - 27.1 mpg - 12.9 ppg - (16/54) 29.6% 3-pt FG - (46/129) 35.7% 2-pt FG - 5.5 rpg - 0.8 apg
-* Miserable 3-pt. shooting, bad 2-pt. shooting.* Bad overall percentages off the floor indicates he may not be as good as everybody hoped he would be.* Also averaging in double figures only because of major minutes & lots of attempts from the floor.* Decent rebounding numbers.

Ryan Reyes
-* 10 g - 19.7 mpg - 7.3 ppg - (3/19) 15.8% 3-pt FG - (24/68) 35.3% 2-pt FG - 4.4 rpg - 2.5 apg
=* Miserable 3-pt. shooting, bad 2-pt. shooting.* Erratic on offense, showed flashes of brilliance, but only flashes, no consistency so far.* Surprisingly decent rebounding & assist numbers, a utility guy.

Doug Kramer
-* 10 g - 18.3 mpg - 5.5 ppg - (0/0) 0% 3-pt FG - (23/45) 51.1% 2-pt FG - 6.6 rpg - 0.3 apg
-* Consistent rebounder, the best among all the rookies so far.* Very good 2-pt. shooting.* Overall not too bad, but not too good either.* Decent role player w/ his numbers.* Still can't create his own shots even if his life depended on it.

Sam Eman
-* 11 g - 12.64 mpg - 5.45 ppg - (0/0) 0% 3-pt FG - (20/35) 57.1% 2-pt FG - 3.82 rpg - 0.27 apg
-* Very good 2-pt. percentages from the floor.* Also showed flashes of brilliance, but also needs more consistency on offense.* Rebounding a disappointment for his height, indicating he is more of an offensive Center than anything else.

JR Quinahan
-* 11 g - 14.09 mpg - 4.73 ppg - (1/1) 100% 3-pt FG - (20/44) 45.5% 2-pt FG - 4.55 rpg - 0.82 apg
-* Great 3-pt. shooting, but took only one shot & made it.* Average 2-pt. shooting.* Decent rebounding numbers.* Overall not too bad a performance thus far, but not too good either.

Ken Bono
-* 11 g - 9.91 mpg - 3.91 ppg - (5/9) 55.6% 3-pt FG - (17/44) 38.6% 2-pt FG - 2.91 rpg - 0.45 apg
-* Good 3-pt. shooting, but didn't shoot that many.* Miserable 2-pt. shooting for a big man who is supposed to take his shots closer to the basket.* The Fat Boy still can't get his offense on track in the big league.* Rebounding no better than the other shorter rookies.

Ryan Arana
-* 11 g - 21.73 mpg - 7.27 ppg - (6/24) 25% 3-pt FG - (31/74) 41.9% 2-pt FG - 3.27 rpg - 1 apg
-* Miserable 3-pt. shooting, bad 2-pt. shooting.* Mediocre performance.* Some rebounding.

Yousif Aljamal
-* 11 g - 16.18 mpg - 5.09 ppg - (11/37) 29.7% 3-pt FG - (20/67) 29.9% 2-pt FG - 2.73 rpg - 0.91 apg
-* Bad 3-pt. shooting.* Miserable 2-pt. shooting.* Has resorted to taking 3-pt shots in the big league after playing no. 4 in college.* Mediocre performance thus far.

Chico Lanete
-* 11 g - 22.82 mpg - 8.27 ppg - (14/24) 25.9% 3-pt FG - (31/95) 32.6% 2-pt FG - 3 rpg - 3.36 apg
-* Bad 3-pt. shooting.* Miserable 2-pt. shooting.* Has occassionally scored in double figures to help his team, plus some rebounding & assists.* Utility guy.

whiplash
12-07-2007, 02:32 PM
is buenafe's 20 points on december 5 the highest among the rookies so far in a game?

mighty_lion
12-07-2007, 03:26 PM
Jonas Villanueva is also giving Magnolia quality minutes. Efficiencywise okey din si Villanueva.

10mpg - 5 ppg 33% 3pt FG 50% 2pt FG 1stl pg

darkwind
12-08-2007, 07:41 AM
Below are the statistical of most of the rookies playing decent minutes so far. Stats are as of Dec. 5, 2007, & courtesy of the www.pba-online.net website:


Stats are updated as soon as the day after the game. I usually update the stats midnight.

Schortsanitis
12-08-2007, 11:17 AM
Below are the statistical of most of the rookies playing decent minutes so far.* Stats are as of Dec. 5, 2007, & courtesy of the www.pba-online.net website:


Stats are updated as soon as the day after the game. I usually update the stats midnight.


Thanks for the stats, by the way. Makes it easier for PBA fans like me to track a player's actual, current performance.

darkwind
12-10-2007, 09:11 AM
Below are the statistical of most of the rookies playing decent minutes so far. Stats are as of Dec. 5, 2007, & courtesy of the www.pba-online.net website:


Stats are updated as soon as the day after the game. I usually update the stats midnight.


Thanks for the stats, by the way. Makes it easier for PBA fans like me to track a player's actual, current performance.


Glad to be of help ;)

whiplash
12-17-2007, 02:22 PM
was just here for updates... how did Arana react to being ejected from the game vs Coke?

aircanda
12-17-2007, 08:36 PM
was just here for updates... how did Arana react to being ejected from the game vs Coke?


sabi sa newspaper eh nagshake-hands pa daw.. meaning nag-apologize naman at lumamig ang ulo ni The Rock..

whiplash
12-26-2007, 07:07 AM
thats good to know.. how are the stats going now??

Schortsanitis
01-05-2008, 10:17 AM
Below are the game statistics of most of the rookies playing decent minutes so far.* Stats are as of Jan. 5, 2008, & courtesy of the www.pba-online.net website:

JC Intal
-* 16 g - 17.19 mpg - 5.75 ppg - 3-pt FG 13.3 % - 2-pt FG 25.4% - 2.88 rpg - 1.75 apg
-* 3 months in the pros, & yes, folks, JC Intal is still a bust.* Miserable 3-pt. shooting, equally miserable 2-pt. shooting.* Brings the ball down well for a 6'4" Guard, though, so we hope he'll find his bearings.* Soon.* Else he'd be out when some better player comes along next season.

Ronjay Buenafe
-* 14 g - 27.36 mpg - 13.29 ppg - 3-pt FG 33 % - 2-pt FG 37.4% - 3.29 rpg - 2.07 apg
-* 3-pt. Shooting has improved to respectable levels, but 2-pt. shooting has worsened.* Getting good numbers, due to better playing & offensive opportunities.

Joe Devance
-* 14 g - 30.57 mpg - 15.86 ppg - 3-pt FG 32.5 % - 2-pt FG 39.2% - 6.86 rpg - 0.93 apg
-* 3-pt. Shooting has improved to average levels, but 2-pt. Shooting has worsened.* Decent rebounding numbers.* Still not convinced this guy is good enough for the National Team, or to be Welcoat's franchise player

Ryan Reyes
-* 15 g - 23.6 mpg - 10.73 ppg - 3-pt FG 28.2 % - 2-pt FG 41.3% - 6.07 rpg - 3 apg
-* 3-pt. Shooting has improved, but still below average;* Consistently bad 2-pt. shooting.* Surprising rebounding numbers, decent passer, pushes the ball down the floor very fast, good height at point.

Doug Kramer
-* 16 g - 18.44 mpg - 6.88 ppg - 3-pt FG 0 % - 2-pt FG 52.9% - 6.31 rpg - 0.63 apg
-* Still the best rebounder among the rookies, still shooting well from the floor.* Still can't create his own shots even if you put a gun on his head.* Decent role player.

Sam Eman
-* 15 g - 12.33 mpg - 5 ppg - 3-pt FG 0 % - 2-pt FG 61.4% - 3.27 rpg - 0.2 apg
-* Still shooting well from the floor, indicating the promise of his offesive abilities.* Disappointing rebounding numbers for somebody his height.* Headed for the doghouse, taking Gabby Espinas' place, now that Dorian Pena is back.

JR Quinahan
-* 16 g - 13.5 mpg - 4.31 ppg - 3-pt FG 100 % - 2-pt FG 45.9% - 4.06 rpg - 0.69 apg
-* Numbers have remained steady, average 2-pt. Shooting, decent rebounding.* Overall not too bad a performance thus far, but not too good either.

Ken Bono
-* 15 g - 8.27 mpg - 3.27 ppg - 3-pt FG 55.6 % - 2-pt FG 40.8% - 2.47 rpg - 0.33 apg
-* Good 3-pt. shooting, but didn't shoot that many.* Still miserable 2-pt. shooting for a big man.* Minutes, points & rebounds have gone down, indicating he is headed for the doghouse.* Will likely become Alaska's trade bait, as long as some teams out there still think he can be better somehow

Ryan Arana
-* 15 g - 21.4 mpg - 7.73 ppg - 3-pt FG 21.4 % - 2-pt FG 42.6% - 3.27 rpg - 1.27 apg
-* Still shooting miserably from the floor.* Getting his numbers on better playing time & offensive opportunities.* Otherwise, mediocre performance

Yousif Aljamal
-* 15 g - 15.33 mpg - 4.53 ppg - 3-pt FG 27.1 % - 2-pt FG 28.7% - 3 rpg - 0.67 apg
-* Miserable shooting percentages on the floor.* Has become a 3-pt. Specialist, streak shooter.

Chico Lanete
-* 14 g - 21.14 mpg - 8.07 ppg - 3-pt FG 27 % - 2-pt FG 33.6% - 2.79 rpg - 3.07 apg
-* Miserable shooting percentages on the floor.* Decent assist numbers, but mediocre performance thus far.

Jojo Duncil
-* 10 g - 17.4 mpg - 7.3 ppg - 3-pt FG 35.7 % - 2-pt FG 43.4% - 2.8 rpg - 1 apg
-* Good 3-pt. Shooting, below average 2-pt. shooting.* Surprising performance, though, for somebody who was put into the reserve list early this season.

mighty_lion
01-05-2008, 10:42 AM
I think for Guards 2pt Shooting % of at least 40% is good enough. For Bigs maybe at least 45% is decent already.

I dont really watch PBA games that often and stats is indeed a good indicator. Leaving away the stats of all these rookies who do you think is the most valuable rookie? I mean every night Bruce Bowen posts sucking stats but heck he is still the heart and soul Spurs defense. Steve Blake numbers are low for a starting PG but taking him out of the Portlands starting line-up will rock the stability of their first five.

Schortsanitis
01-05-2008, 10:57 AM
I think for Guards 2pt Shooting % of at least 40% is good enough. For Bigs maybe at least 45% is decent already.

I dont really watch PBA games that often and stats is indeed a good indicator. Leaving away the stats of all these rookies who do you think is the most valuable rookie? I mean every night Bruce Bowen posts sucking stats but heck he is still the heart and soul Spurs defense. Steve Blake numbers are low for a starting PG but taking him out of the Portlands starting line-up will rock the stability of their first five.


* 'Mababa naman ata yung 40%'. It means the player will be missing 60% of his shots, or missing 3 out of 5 shots.

* As for who is the most valuable rookie without the stats, it will be a bit subjective, but I would have to say Ryan Reyes. He pushes the ball quickly on the floor, making the aging SLR team go fast whenever he's on the floor. It also gives his other younger, quicker team mates like Kelly Williams & Joseph Yeo opportunities to score. Very miserable shooting from the floor, though. But his 6 plus rpg is big bonus, for a Guard.

whiplash
01-07-2008, 05:28 AM
* 'Mababa naman ata yung 40%'. It means the player will be missing 60% of his shots, or missing 3 out of 5 shots.

* As for who is the most valuable rookie without the stats, it will be a bit subjective, but I would have to say Ryan Reyes. He pushes the ball quickly on the floor, making the aging SLR team go fast whenever he's on the floor. It also gives his other younger, quicker team mates like Kelly Williams & Joseph Yeo opportunities to score. Very miserable shooting from the floor, though. But his 6 plus rpg is big bonus, for a Guard.


who would be your top rookies for each position? the stats you present are great, they mean a lot other than of course many intangibles that we all know are part of a basketball player's skill.. little things like hustle and running after the looseball or being effective with the press..

i am really interested in your top rookie for each spot... thanks

joelex
01-07-2008, 08:49 PM
ryan reyes is the next big star. as of today he gets my vote for ROY, unless some injury befalls him and Devance becomes a consistent 18-10 guy next conference.

aircanda
01-09-2008, 04:00 PM
Me too.. kay Ryan Reyes ako.. Energy guy.. for me kasi, ang batayan ng ROY ay yung rookie na naglalaro na parang hinde rookie.. para sa akin 3 ang ganiang rookie ngaun.. Devance, Buenafe at Reyes.. pero si Reyes ang pinakamatapang.. Sta. Lucia wont be in the top of the standings kung wala si Reyes.. also, he is complimenting Williams' game.

whiplash
01-28-2008, 05:37 AM
i am rooting for Ronjay Buenafe of Coca Cola.. everytime he has the ball you can really hear the crowd holding its breath with what he is about to do...

He reminds me of Avelino "Samboy" Lim.. only with better three point shooting...

erichubert
01-28-2008, 01:53 PM
It will boil down to the two Fil-Ams Devance and Reyes. But ultimately I think it would be Reyes who would win. Close 3rd si Buenafe. Remember next conference 2 imports ang Coke and Welcoat so the playing time of Devance and Buenafe would definitely be affected.

cub
01-28-2008, 06:55 PM
^ 2 imports for Coke? why? will Alex Compton play as an import for the Dragons?

Schortsanitis
02-09-2008, 09:40 PM
Below are the game statistics of most of the rookies playing decent minutes so far.* Stats are as of Feb. 9, 2008, & courtesy of the www.pba-online.net website:

JC Intal
-* 20 g - 16.1 mpg - 5.95 ppg - 3-pt FG 13.2 % - 2-pt FG 28.1% - 2.7 rpg - 1.85 apg
-* Final stats of the conference
-* After a conference in the PBA, JC's stats still continue to be much less than what was expected of him.* He is still very much a bust.* Hope he pulls thru, eventually.* 6'3" w/ his ballhandling ability are rare in this league

Ronjay Buenafe
-* 21 g - 25.29 mpg - 11.81 ppg - 3-pt FG 32.2 % - 2-pt FG 35.2% - 3.05 rpg - 2 apg
-* Final stats of the conference
-* Ronjay's 3-pt shooting FG has been hovering near average, but his 2-pt FG has not.* Still, this 2nd rd draft pick has exceeded all expectations of him, & if he can get those FG percentages up, could be in the league for awhile.* Has that rare ability to hit difficult shots, though not much of a leaper

Joe Devance
-* 16 g - 30.9 mpg - 16.13 ppg - 3-pt FG 30.9 % - 2-pt FG 39.9% - 7 rpg - 1 apg
-* Final stats of the conference
-* With mediocre shooting from the floor, am not convinced Joe has got what it takes to be National Team material in this league, despite his height & coordination.* In fact, he seems more like a "softy" to me, spending more time outside of the paint that using his 6'8" height to dominate inside.* Team starter level, but definitely not All-Star or National Team material

Ryan Reyes
-* 22 g - 24.7 mpg - 9.64 ppg - 3-pt FG 33.9 % - 2-pt FG 37.4% - 5.73 rpg - 3.36 apg
-* Getting major minutes, good all around game in terms of rebounding, assists, shooting, etc. But erratic on offense. One game he'll shoot well, the next couple he won't.* Pushes the ball very fast down the floor, & good height at point.* Likely to be starter material, though not necessarily all-star material

Doug Kramer
-* 20 g - 18.4 mpg - 6.55 ppg - 3-pt FG 0 % - 2-pt FG 50.9% - 5.9 rpg - 0.65 apg
-* Final stats of the conference
-* Doug has been pretty steady off the floor w/ those rebounds & FG shooting.* Not necessarily starter material, but good enough as a role player.* Should find a home in the PBA, unless a starter or all-star material comes along & bumps him into the bench

Sam Eman
-* 16 g - 11.63 mpg - 4.81 ppg - 3-pt FG 0 % - 2-pt FG 60.9% - 3.13 rpg - 0.19 apg
-* Final stats of the conference
-* So much promise on offense for this 6'8" player, w/ great FG percentages off the floor.* Hope he finds a team w/c will give him more playing time & role on offense soon, as time is short for this 25 year old rookie.* Doesn't deserve to be in any team's doghouse, as he is w/ MBM now.* Needs to work on his rebounding, though, as he doesn't seem to be rebounding well for somebody his size & athleticism

JR Quinahan
-* 24 g - 10.88 mpg - 3.33 ppg - 3-pt FG 33.3 % - 2-pt FG 43.8% - 3 rpg - 0.63 apg
-* Minutes have dropped, thanks to the excellent play of Hugnatan & Feriosl.* His numbers also has dropped.* Seems to be good enough to be a PBA player, at least as backup player, but needs more consistent playing time to be able to contribute, something he's not likely to have at Alaska

Ken Bono
-* 19 g - 7.79 mpg - 3.16 ppg - 3-pt FG 54.5 % - 2-pt FG 39.1% - 2.32 rpg - 0.32 apg
-* Even getting less minutes tha JR.* Improved his FG percentages, but has not really taken that much attempts.* The jury is still out for Ken, & he will likely need to go also somewhere else to get good playing time

Ryan Arana
-* 17 g - 22.4 mpg - 8.47 ppg - 3-pt FG 24.3 % - 2-pt FG 44.6% - 3.35 rpg - 1.12 apg
-* Final stats of the conference
-* Getting great minutes, not shooting well from the 3-pt area, but good enough in the 2-pt area.* Still, should've been producing more w/ the minutes he's getting, but his not.* Doesn't seem to have the talent to stay long in this league

Yousif Aljamal
-* 18 g - 25.11 mpg - 4.39 ppg - 3-pt FG 25.5 % - 2-pt FG 29.7% - 3.11 rpg - 0.72 apg
-* Final stats of the conference
-* Minutes have gone up, getting very good exposure, but FG percentages, points, & rebounds have not.* Used to be his team's main man in college, reduced to a mediocre role player in the PBA.* W/ a new coach, new system, his future is not very certain

Chico Lanete
-* 22 g - 21.9 mpg - 8.64 ppg - 3-pt FG 29.5 % - 2-pt FG 35.9% - 3.18 rpg - 2.5 apg
-* Decent all around game for a guard, rebounding, assisting, shooting.* Getting good minutes, but scoring has been erratic, being forced to play behind James Yap.* As long as he stays w/ Purefoods, he'll likely have a good couple of years in this league

Jojo Duncil
-* 15 g - 15.33 mpg - 5.87 ppg - 3-pt FG 29.4 % - 2-pt FG 43.5% - 2.2 rpg - 0.8 apg
-* Offense has been erratic, has shown good one on one moves, just hasn't been delivering most of the time.* Still not sure if he has what it takes to be a player in this league

joelex
02-10-2008, 01:57 AM
i think ryan reyes's inconsistency can be pointed to the fact that he is playing thru different sorts of injuries just about every other game.

Schortsanitis
02-10-2008, 09:06 AM
Doesn't seem to have affected his rebounding & assists. He also looked as fast as ever. I do remember he had an injury early on in the conference where he was sidelined for a couple of games, but I haven't heard the ones lately.

coreytaylor
02-10-2008, 02:22 PM
Ryan Buenafe! ;D ;D ;D

whiplash
03-15-2008, 04:16 PM
pardon me... but are there any updates?

how did the rookie vs sophomore games go?