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pachador
10-17-2007, 12:48 AM
Toilet system can replace LPG gas for cooking !!!! someone should market this in the philippines. this can make a lot of money.

Human waste can help save planet -- Indian expert

Agence France-Presse
Last updated 08:05pm (Mla time) 10/16/2007


NEW DELHI -- A cheap system to recycle human waste into biogas and fertilizer may allow 2.6 billion people in the world access to toilets and reduce global warming, an Indian environmental expert said Tuesday.

Bindeshwar Pathak, founder of the Sulabh International Social Service Organization, said his group plans to push the system at the seventh annual World Toilet Summit, to be held in New Delhi at the end of October.

The organization is dedicated to providing toilets to nearly 730 million people in India who lack them.

"The Millennium Development Goals set in South Africa in 2002 aim by 2015 to cut by half the 2.6 billion people worldwide who lack toilets and provide them to all by 2025," Pathak said at a briefing ahead of the summit.

He said India's contribution would be a toilet system that organically breaks down feces into trapped biogas that can be burned to provide cooking fuel and electricity, and convert urine into fertilizer.

"Now we want others to know about this technology which was recently installed at Kabul, Afghanistan, because it can help meet the Millennium Development Goals and reduce global warming."

Founded in 2001 as a non-profit organization, the World Toilet Organization aims to make sanitation a key global issue and now says it has 55 member groups from 42 countries.

toti_mendiola
10-17-2007, 01:07 AM
I've been to a livestock farm in naga 4 years ago and they use this technology already but uses the swine / hogs dumps instead.

LION
10-17-2007, 09:11 AM
Anak ng pating. Di kaya mag-mutate at malipat (in another form) lahat ng bacteria at germs sa pagkaing niluluto? Science will say it's safe but is it palatable?

And, btw, who wants to work for an organization called World Toilet Organization? Ginaya pa ang acronym ng World Trade Organization. ;D

lurkinggood
10-17-2007, 11:21 AM
Anak ng pating. Di kaya mag-mutate at malipat (in another form) lahat ng bacteria at germs sa pagkaing niluluto?* Science will say* it's safe* but is it palatable?

And, btw, who wants to work for an organization called World Toilet Organization?* Ginaya pa ang acronym ng World Trade Organization.* *;D





Di naman daw, yung amoy lang yung malilipat sa pagkaing niluluto... ;D

atenean_blooded
10-17-2007, 09:07 PM
The thought of using something that collects shit for cooking (especially if you use a stove-top grill) isn't very appealing, at least to me.

But then again, some of the best farm-fresh eggs I've eaten are from chickens whose diet is limited to the parasites that feast on what is reportedly the world's best, engineered cow-dung from cows that eat a specially-designed diet.

aircanda
10-17-2007, 11:00 PM
Anak ng pating. Di kaya mag-mutate at malipat* (in another form) lahat ng bacteria at germs sa pagkaing niluluto?* Science will say* it's safe* but is it palatable?

And, btw, who wants to work for an organization called World Toilet Organization?* Ginaya pa ang acronym ng World Trade Organization.* *;D





e di pag nilagang baka yung ulam nio, magiging lasang.. never mind.. :-\

Di naman daw, yung amoy lang yung malilipat sa pagkaing niluluto... ;D

aircanda
10-17-2007, 11:12 PM
Anak ng pating. Di kaya mag-mutate at malipat* (in another form) lahat ng bacteria at germs sa pagkaing niluluto?* Science will say* it's safe* but is it palatable?

And, btw, who wants to work for an organization called World Toilet Organization?* Ginaya pa ang acronym ng World Trade Organization.* *;D





Di naman daw, yung amoy lang yung malilipat sa pagkaing niluluto... ;D



e di pag nilagang baka yung ulam nio, magiging lasang.. never mind.. :-\

toti_mendiola
10-17-2007, 11:40 PM
Hindi ka naman mismo sa tuktok ng septic tank magluluto. Me system of pipings na naka attach dun sa depository ng waste papunta dun sa gusto mong location ng lutuan o kitchen mo. At bukod pa sa septic tank eh meron ding mga iba pang tanke o parang underground cell block na napagiipunan ng gas na nagegenerate nung waste. Ganun yung nakita ko sa naga eh.

danny
10-18-2007, 01:34 AM
Hindi ka naman mismo sa tuktok ng septic tank magluluto. Me system of pipings na naka attach dun sa depository ng waste papunta dun sa gusto mong location ng lutuan o kitchen mo. At bukod pa sa septic tank eh meron ding mga iba pang tanke o parang underground cell block* na napagiipunan ng gas na nagegenerate nung* waste. Ganun yung nakita ko sa naga eh.


Exactly. The methane gas collected from the decaying shit is the one used for cooking. Not the shit itelf. Hinid umaapy an ebak. Umaalingasaw lang.

In localized area, these concepts and other ideas with low carbon footprints are workable. Even the discarded cooking oil from the burger joints are used as supplementary alternative fuels in some parts of the world.


Toti, are you referring to the farm of an ex New York Investment Banker?

toti_mendiola
10-18-2007, 07:06 AM
Pare oragon original yung kausap ko eh. Contemporaries lang natin, bata pa rin ;D baka erpats niya yung NY investment banker, kasi dami ko mga nakita na certificates na naka laminate sa office ng erpats niya na mga U.S. of A etc.etc

Kid Cubao
10-18-2007, 08:39 AM
decomposing matter including human droppings emit methane gas, so that's the one being harnessed for cooking purposes. and yes, that's a good idea--for those who are not squeamish ;D

toti_mendiola
10-18-2007, 08:52 AM
This explains why farts are combustible.
Pabaho ng pabaho ang usapan.

LION
10-18-2007, 09:17 AM
This explains why farts are combustible.
Pabaho ng pabaho ang usapan.


........explosive, indeed. ;D

Jaco D
10-18-2007, 02:48 PM
decomposing matter including human droppings emit methane gas, so that's the one being harnessed for cooking purposes. and yes, that's a good idea--for those who are not squeamish ;D


I guess "eating balut rules" hold here - what you don't know won't hurt you.

Seriously, how much decomposing matter do you need to support one normal household?* Noble as the idea might sound, baka economics ang ikamamatay niya.* Just like other alternative sources of energy, if it doesn't meet the economic smell test (no pun intended) it's not going to fly.* Parang wind power.* You need a field (actually a "hacienda") full of windmills that Don Quixote would go orgasmic, in order to have a worthwhile operation.* Same with solar power.* Hopefully mankind can refine the science behind alternative fuels so we can rely less on coal and fossil fuel sooner rather than later.

danny
10-18-2007, 03:24 PM
decomposing matter including human droppings emit methane gas, so that's the one being harnessed for cooking purposes. and yes, that's a good idea--for those who are not squeamish ;D


I guess "eating balut rules" hold here - what you don't know won't hurt you.

Seriously, how much decomposing matter do you need to support one normal household?* Noble as the idea might sound, baka economics ang ikamamatay niya.* Just like other alternative sources of energy, if it doesn't meet the economic smell test (no pun intended) it's not going to fly.* Parang wind power.* You need a field (actually a "hacienda") full of windmills that Don Quixote would go orgasmic, in order to have a worthwhile operation.* Same with solar power.* Hopefully mankind can refine the science behind alternative fuels so we can rely less on coal and fossil fuel sooner rather than later.


This types of projects should not be viewed as an overall solution to fossil fuel dependence. Rather, these are supplementary sources of energy for communites or householeds who may deem it economical. Ergo, economies of scale should never be contemplated. Ang baho na nun.. ;D

pachador
10-23-2007, 12:36 AM
sige kayo, yung toilet ninyo sasabog yan kung hindi ninyo gamitin yung gas sa septic tank: :D

Methane, diesel mix could have triggered blast’
By Cecille Suerte Felipe
Tuesday, October 23, 2007
Police are verifying information that a deadly mix of methane gas – mostly from human waste – and diesel fumes triggered the blast that killed 11 people and wounded more than a hundred others at Glorietta 2 last Friday.

Investigators said they were pursuing the angle after learning from a building engineer at Glorietta 2 that the mall’s sewerage system was defective at the time of the blast.

A huge diesel tank for the building’s generator was kept at the basement where the sewerage system was also located.

Experts said a chemical reaction from the mixture of methane and diesel fumes could produce RDX, a major component of C-4 explosive commonly used by the military.

“The sewerage system has broken down and the methane gas has built up. Methane gas when combined with diesel could explode,” said Interior Undersecretary for Public Safety Marius Corpus.

Corpus told The STAR of similar incidents in other countries where methane gas accumulation caused explosions, the most disastrous of which was in Guadalajara, Mexico in 1992.

Superintendent Fennimore Jaudian, chief investigator of the multi-agency group investigating the incident, said Glorietta 2 building engineer Marcelo Butanes told them of defective pumps for the sewer system.

“Butanes told us that they replaced the system with portable submersible pumps,” Jaudian said. He theorized that the portable pumps were not enough, hence, the buildup of methane.

Jaudian said the partly-ruptured cover of the diesel tank indicated that the blast came from inside.

Philippine National Police chief Director General Avelino Razon said authorities were “working round the clock and exerting all efforts to get to the bottom of this incident.”

He said he has directed Crime Laboratory director Chief Superintendent Arturo Cacdac to start a thorough analysis on the chemical component of diesel.

“I have directed the Crime Lab to conduct test on diesel to find out if RDX is among its components,” said Razon at a briefing at the PNP headquarters.

Earlier, a police chemist said traces of RDX were found on materials taken from the blast site.

“We are considering all possibilities, we would base our findings on evidence and fact,” Razon said.

“So far we have not found bomb fragments but that is not conclusive that it was not caused by a bomb because we have not gone through the entire rubble and debris,” he added.

He said US experts did not find traces of RDX because they sought samples at areas that were not directly covered by the blast.

“The US tests are negative because when the US experts arrived at the blast site, they swabbed the exterior portions or the portions that were not directly at the center or at the seat, of the explosion. That’s why it tested negative,” Razon said. The military’s public information office chief Lt. Col. Bartolome Bacarro said they’ve started an inventory of its stock of C-4.

But National Security Adviser Norberto Gonzales said over dzRH that although there was nothing conclusive yet in the investigation, he is not convinced that the blast was accidental.

He said other commercial buildings in Metro Manila are in worse shape and have more sloppy stowage procedures. He declined to speculate on which group was responsible.

Meanwhile, experts from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Australia joined other international investigators in establishing the cause of the blast.

National Capital Regional Police Office chief, Chief Superintendent Geary Barias said investigators have “also recruited metallurgical, forensics and petrochemical experts, aside from the FBI and Australian Federal Police...to help evaluate the blast site materials.”

The Makati Business Club earlier called on authorities to allow the FBI to step into the case, citing the slow pace of the ongoing probe.

“If they failed to present concrete findings within five days, there must be something wrong. I think it would greatly help if an International investigating body, such as the FBI, would intervene in the investigation” MBC executive director Alberto Lim told The STAR. “It will not only speed up the investigation, but it will also make the investigation objective. At least, the FBI have high tech equipment.”

Barias said that as of yesterday, 19 trucks of oil, water and grease had been siphoned off from the basement of Glorietta 2. “The contents of the trucks will be the subject of our analysis,” he said.

Barias said police were not discounting the involvement of Islamic militants from the Rajah Solaiman Movement or the Abu Sayyaf. The Abu Sayyaf is responsible for the country’s worst terrorist attacks, including a 2004 ferry bombing that killed more than 100.

The Rajah Solaiman Movement is an extremist group of Christians who converted to Islam. In 2005, the group helped the Abu Sayyaf carry out a Valentine’s Day bomb attack also in Makati that killed four people.

Defense Undersecretary Ricardo Blancaflor, an expert in terrorist groups, said it was too early to say who carried out Friday’s blast and urged the public to remain calm.

“Let us not feed on our own fears and let us not feed on paranoia,” Blancaflor said. “We should go on with our normal lives.”

Southern Police District director Chief Superintendent Luiso Ticman, in a power point presentation, said there were five possible sources of ignition, including diesel tank switches and four motor batteries.

Ticman, the lead investigator in the blast, said one of the batteries showed signs of damage.

He also said that a rectangular 3,500-liter capacity diesel tank had punctures and ruptured edges.