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mighty_lion
09-20-2007, 01:08 PM
Total naman championship series na sa NCAA at malapit na sa UAAP. Why not discuss this topic.

Defense, Offense, Puso, Intensity, X & O's, Crowd at marami pang iba? Ano sa tining nyo yong pinaka-importante. We heard a lot of quotable qoutes from lot of greats names like Defense wins champion ships and etc.. Mag-ala coach coachan tayo dito. Please explain your argument and if you can cite good examples the better. Take it on a view of how a "Team" can win a championship game. Hindi yong maglagay ng Michael Jordan sa team.* ;D

Your take guys.

Howard the Duck
09-20-2007, 02:08 PM
One dominating player or conversely, 5 above average role players with a strong bench ;D

john_paul_manahan
09-20-2007, 02:46 PM
mas maganda if you have both. :)

Howard the Duck
09-20-2007, 05:57 PM
if the first option is met, then a great coach isn't really needed. however, if the second option is met, you'll need a great coach

joelex
09-20-2007, 09:18 PM
ill go for 2-3 dominating players (and i mean dominating, hindi one way player lang) and the rest filled up by specialists/role players, kahit minimum salary basta accepted roles and 100% effort every time they step foot on the hardcourt.

and most importantly....not too many veterans please. id rather have a young, fighting team aided by also around 3 vets who can provide leadership (ex - NBA spurs with horry, bowen complementing young trioka of TD TP and manu) and not B.I. the younger ones. (ex - PBA SLR marlou aquino, espino, duremdes).

If i might add: lets have american style of handling the franchise, such as alaska. Pag laos, o reklamador, eh di trade. Now champion sila ulit.

XsandOs
09-21-2007, 07:34 AM
That is an interesting question.* There is no doubt a special combination of factors that contribute to a season that ends in a Championship.* Of course, talent plays a role, but the successful coaches and teams are able to control or influence many of these factors in their favor in order to win.* These are some aspects of successful campaigns that may go overlooked:

-A Healthy Roster:
There is no discounting the effect that a healthy roster has.* 5 healthy starters and complimentary bench is such an advantage in a playoff situation.* The team has the full compliment of players, and roles and responsibilities that have been established during the season do not need to be changed.* Substitution patterns, rotations, and assignments are consistent, and the familiar is always better than the unknown unless...

-Production from an Unlikely Source:
Over the course of a season, playoff, or tournament, teams do such a good job of scouting each other.* Tendencies and personnel become transparent.* In order to game plan defensively, coaches are often left with the this dliemma; do we allow the superstar to get his points and hold the rest of the team below their averages, or do we harass and disrupt the superstar so much that it forces someone else not used to the limelight to carry the scoring load.* These things happen, but the successful championship teams often have someone who is not expected to contribute, come up big in much needed situations.* Case in point, Daniel Gibson.* As a reserve for the Cleveland Cavaliers, he has never been expected to be reliable scorer.* But in a game that would propel them to their run to the NBA Finals and the starting PG injured on the bench, he became a reliable "wingman" to Lebron's show.* He scored over 20 points in helping to defeat the Pistons.* In the previous year, Tim Thomas, Leandro Barbosa, and Boris Diaw, all unknown commodities or has beens (in the case of Thomas) produced points, rebounds, assists, and clutch shots in helping the Suns overcome a 3-1 deficit to the Lakers.* Look at every championship run, and you will find examples of this concept.

-Effective Game Management/Who Makes the Best Game Adjustments:
Successful teams, especially when it comes to the coaching staff, are able to make adjustments possession to possession, game to game, series to series, in order to be successful.* Which ever team makes the best adjustments, usually wins a series or championship game.* Especially when you examine a playoff series, it becomes more and more difficult to make adjustments offensively or defensively because you see each other so often...it becomes harder to show something new to prepare for.* So it becomes a matter of execution, in the smallest details, and adjusting sets or assignments or priorities in such a way that it gives the team the best chance to take advantage of another team.* The best coaches are able to do this, using effective leadership and game management in order to get their team to listen and execute.*

-Preparation and Getting the Lucky Bounces:
Let's face it...a team will need to be lucky and good in order to win a Championship game or series.* Getting the ball to bounce in your team's favor can sometimes seem like luck or uncalculated, and many times it is.* But a team has a greater chance of getting more balls to bounce your way, more big shots to go in during end-game situations, more defensive stops as the shot clock runs down, if the coaches and team are prepared.* For instance, take Robert Horry, the big shot maker.* If you look at his minutes or points per game, he has minimal results.* But no matter what the situation, especially in the playoffs, he comes big in big games.* He's always prepared to play, whenever the coach calls his number, and he almost always delivers, and the balls bounce in his direction.* Luck favors those who are the most prepared to take the opportunity for fortunate results when it comes their way.*

-Experience Counts:
I tend to disagree with the previous poster that alot of veterans hurt you in favor of younger players.* If the veterans are spoiled, overpaid, stubborn, lazy players that have lost the joy of the game and do not work to get better or stay focused, then veterans hold you back.* But take a look at the recent champions in the NBA and NCAA (USA).* Experience was essential to helping them be successful when it really matters.* The University of Florida repeated as national champions with a roster of 4 juniors & 1 senior in the starting line up.* When the University of North Carolina won in 2005, the roster had 3 juniors & 2 seniors.* The Spurs (Duncan, Bowen, Horry, Parker), Pistons (Billups, Wallace, Hunter), and Heat (O'Neal, Payton) all had players with either championship experience or deep playoff runs.* They knew how to win, and knew how to handle tough situations when they came.* This also goes for coaches.* All these coaches had experienced success or failure in the championship game or series.* It informs your decisions.*

-Failure Before Success: *
All teams had to experience a measure of failure before success, either within the season, or in seasons past.* The Miami Heat got off to a dismal start before turning it around.* They were also down in the Finals before going on an historic run.* These teams accept failure for what it is but are not shackled or held back by it.* They learn from errors and mistakes and change their approach in order to win.* These teams never give up and are relentless.*

-Hunger & Passion:
Most of all, all teams that play with hunger and passion are often the most successful and can sustain a successful run through a playoff or tournament.* Teams that have the will and desire to do whatever is necessary to win are often the ones that are the most prepared, never give up, do all they can to stay healthy, and learn from their mistakes to adjust.*

This is not the complete formula, but these pieces are essential components to an equation that can result in a trophy at the end of the season.*

mighty_lion
09-21-2007, 09:31 AM
All I can say is Wow! ;D Thanks for the great inputs. ;D

danny
09-22-2007, 03:37 AM
That is an interesting question.* There is no doubt a special combination of factors that contribute to a season that ends in a Championship.* Of course, talent plays a role, but the successful coaches and teams are able to control or influence many of these factors in their favor in order to win.* These are some aspects of successful campaigns that may go overlooked:

-A Healthy Roster:
There is no discounting the effect that a healthy roster has.* 5 healthy starters and complimentary bench is such an advantage in a playoff situation.* The team has the full compliment of players, and roles and responsibilities that have been established during the season do not need to be changed.* Substitution patterns, rotations, and assignments are consistent, and the familiar is always better than the unknown unless...

-Production from an Unlikely Source:
Over the course of a season, playoff, or tournament, teams do such a good job of scouting each other.* Tendencies and personnel become transparent.* In order to game plan defensively, coaches are often left with the this dliemma; do we allow the superstar to get his points and hold the rest of the team below their averages, or do we harass and disrupt the superstar so much that it forces someone else not used to the limelight to carry the scoring load.* These things happen, but the successful championship teams often have someone who is not expected to contribute, come up big in much needed situations.* Case in point, Daniel Gibson.* As a reserve for the Cleveland Cavaliers, he has never been expected to be reliable scorer.* But in a game that would propel them to their run to the NBA Finals and the starting PG injured on the bench, he became a reliable "wingman" to Lebron's show.* He scored over 20 points in helping to defeat the Pistons.* In the previous year, Tim Thomas, Leandro Barbosa, and Boris Diaw, all unknown commodities or has beens (in the case of Thomas) produced points, rebounds, assists, and clutch shots in helping the Suns overcome a 3-1 deficit to the Lakers.* Look at every championship run, and you will find examples of this concept.

-Effective Game Management/Who Makes the Best Game Adjustments:
Successful teams, especially when it comes to the coaching staff, are able to make adjustments possession to possession, game to game, series to series, in order to be successful.* Which ever team makes the best adjustments, usually wins a series or championship game.* Especially when you examine a playoff series, it becomes more and more difficult to make adjustments offensively or defensively because you see each other so often...it becomes harder to show something new to prepare for.* So it becomes a matter of execution, in the smallest details, and adjusting sets or assignments or priorities in such a way that it gives the team the best chance to take advantage of another team.* The best coaches are able to do this, using effective leadership and game management in order to get their team to listen and execute.*

-Preparation and Getting the Lucky Bounces:
Let's face it...a team will need to be lucky and good in order to win a Championship game or series.* Getting the ball to bounce in your team's favor can sometimes seem like luck or uncalculated, and many times it is.* But a team has a greater chance of getting more balls to bounce your way, more big shots to go in during end-game situations, more defensive stops as the shot clock runs down, if the coaches and team are prepared.* For instance, take Robert Horry, the big shot maker.* If you look at his minutes or points per game, he has minimal results.* But no matter what the situation, especially in the playoffs, he comes big in big games.* He's always prepared to play, whenever the coach calls his number, and he almost always delivers, and the balls bounce in his direction.* Luck favors those who are the most prepared to take the opportunity for fortunate results when it comes their way.*

-Experience Counts:
I tend to disagree with the previous poster that alot of veterans hurt you in favor of younger players.* If the veterans are spoiled, overpaid, stubborn, lazy players that have lost the joy of the game and do not work to get better or stay focused, then veterans hold you back.* But take a look at the recent champions in the NBA and NCAA (USA).* Experience was essential to helping them be successful when it really matters.* The University of Florida repeated as national champions with a roster of 4 juniors & 1 senior in the starting line up.* When the University of North Carolina won in 2005, the roster had 3 juniors & 2 seniors.* The Spurs (Duncan, Bowen, Horry, Parker), Pistons (Billups, Wallace, Hunter), and Heat (O'Neal, Payton) all had players with either championship experience or deep playoff runs.* They knew how to win, and knew how to handle tough situations when they came.* This also goes for coaches.* All these coaches had experienced success or failure in the championship game or series.* It informs your decisions.*

-Failure Before Success: *
All teams had to experience a measure of failure before success, either within the season, or in seasons past.* The Miami Heat got off to a dismal start before turning it around.* They were also down in the Finals before going on an historic run.* These teams accept failure for what it is but are not shackled or held back by it.* They learn from errors and mistakes and change their approach in order to win.* These teams never give up and are relentless.*

-Hunger & Passion:
Most of all, all teams that play with hunger and passion are often the most successful and can sustain a successful run through a playoff or tournament.* Teams that have the will and desire to do whatever is necessary to win are often the ones that are the most prepared, never give up, do all they can to stay healthy, and learn from their mistakes to adjust.*

This is not the complete formula, but these pieces are essential components to an equation that can result in a trophy at the end of the season.*


This may not be the complete formula, but the important aspects were considered. Thanks for the input.

LION
09-23-2007, 01:25 PM
Don't forget the crowd support.* * PCU Baby Dolphins vs. SSC Staglets in the 2006 NCAA Juniors finals.*

mighty_lion
10-15-2007, 05:36 PM
^ Pwede ko na siguro balikan itong thread na ito. Dun sa list ni X and O's san nga ba nagkamali ang UE?

yokam
10-16-2007, 07:36 PM
Here's my POV:

1.) Great team chemistry -- Nothing is better than a team that plays as one, a team that really plays as a team. Each players should be familiar and be comfortable in playing with each other and they should know each others strengths and weaknesses. That's why normally the team that ends up the champion is the team that has been playing alongside each other for quite sometime already. Just a fun fact, ever wonder why the San Antonio Spurs always remain on top as one of the NBA's top caliber teams even though some other teams look a lot better and stronger than them? It's because of team chemistry. The Spurs have kept their core intact (e.g. Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker). And other than that, the Spurs "team chemistry" extends beyond the basketball court, the Spurs management encouraged the players, coaches and even the management to move and live closer to each other so they can have quality time along with their families. The bond of the San Antonio Spurs is just so strong, no wonder why they always end up on top.

2.) Heart -- Skills bring fame, heart wins games. It's the heart that separates the men from the boys. Michael Jordan, Isiah Thomas, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Willis Reed, Allen Iverson to name a few. When one plays in a level wherein other players has great skills too, one needs more than skills to win games. That's where the heart comes in. After all, how would one win if he has quitted already in the first place?

3.) Basketball IQ -- As Dwayne Wade said in their series against the Pistons, "it's reading what the other team is doing and taking what their defense gives you". It's reading and knowing what to do in different circumstances. Basketball boils down to mind games too, especially when one face an equally competent and experienced opponent too, it ends up outwitting and outplaying each other rather than relying on pure and raw skill.

4.) Balanced defense and offense -- As they say, "offense wins games, defense wins championships". My take? It should be balanced. How can one win a number of games when one plays good defense and mediocre offense? Basketball is won by the points scored, thus one really needs a good offense (it's not an option, it's a must). On the other hand, bad defense won't bring a team far too. The Phoenix Suns is a good example.

5.) Balanced team/roster -- 5 great centers won't win a lot of games, and 5 great point guards as well playing together. Each should divide the labor, everybody has each part to play. A team that has an able and reliable player in each of the positions is more likely to win games rather than having all 5 top players playing in the same position. This might sound ridiculous but there's a lot of teams out there that has a very imbalanced line-up.

XsandOs
10-17-2007, 09:59 AM
5.) Balanced team/roster -- 5 great centers won't win a lot of games, and 5 great point guards as well playing together. Each should divide the labor, everybody has each part to play. A team that has an able and reliable player in each of the positions is more likely to win games rather than having all 5 top players playing in the same position. This might sound ridiculous but there's a lot of teams out there that has a very imbalanced line-up.


You make a lot of great points.* The only thing that I would add is the importance of a team and its players knowing and fulfilling their assigned roles or taking ownership of those respsonsibilities for the good of the team.* It may not mean that you need a team on the floor that represents a capable player at the PG, SG, SF, PF, and C positions, but it may mean that the players on the floor and on the bench understand what they are supposed to be doing the team concept in order for the team to succeed.* I've had a chance to watch teams like the St. Anthony's Friars of Jersey City, NJ practice, who is coached by the legendary Bob Hurley.*

If you look at their teams, there is not a traditional line up in which all 5 positions are equally represented. But the team has solid post and perimeter defenders.* The team has reliable ball handlers and playmakers.* The team has guy that can slash to the basket or can create their own shot.* Most of all, the team makes up with any deficiencies with blood and guts.

I would also say that the more talented players you have on the court, the better the odds are that the team would be successful.* If a team has two top-flight point guards, I would have no problems as a coach putting both of them on the floor at the same time if it meant that my team would have a better chance to score or move the ball.* If a team had 4 reliable perimeter scores, there are effective schemes to have all 4 players on the floor at the same time.* The most important thing is that a team is able to get production in all the major areas of the game...defensive stops, rebounding, playmaking, ball & player movement, perimeter shooting, scoring in the lane.* The best example I can think of is the Bulls and Lakers championship teams.* None of those teams had a top notch PG, with Jordan, Pippen, or Kobe doing most of the ballhandling up the court.* In those cases, the PG's were not very productive in points or assists, but because of the triangle offense, production at that position is not necessary for overall team success.*

Fidelity to the game plan and team philiosophy that truly fits the personnel is the best way to attain balance on a team.*

genom222
11-03-2007, 06:16 AM
I would rank the following important factors:

1. Chemistry
2. Player ability/attitude
3. Coach
4. Fans ;D siempre!
5. of course prayer hehe
6. Luck - which is more evident in hardwork (ika nga mas malakas swerte ng magaling)