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gameface_one
08-22-2007, 09:05 AM
NCAA disbars Aljamal

The Philippine Star

The NCAA is barring Yousif Aljamal from playing for San Beda in its game against Jose Rizal University in the NCAA men’s basketball tournament Wednesday after the Red Lions failed to inform the league that their prized cager would be joining the PBA rookie draft last Sunday.

“We just learned that the NCAA is not allowing Aljamal to play tomorrow (Wednesday),” said San Beda team manager Mukesh Advani. He admitted that the school did not seek any clearance from the NCAA for Aljamal to join the draft.

Aljamal was drafted eighth overall by Air21 but will suit up for Talk 'N Text due to a previous deal by the two ballclubs.

San Beda said it will ask the NCAA Mancom for reconsideration.

Otherwise, the Lions will play without one of their key players when they mix it up with the JRU Bombers in the 2 p.m. opener at The Arena in San Juan.

The third running Bombers are gunning for their sixth straight win and seventh overall in 10 games as they try to firm up their bid for a semis berth.

“It’s always tough playing San Beda because they’re not the defending champions for nothing,” said Jose Rizal coach Ariel Vanguardia. “If we could play harder and show a lot of heart, we’ll have a chance against them.”

San Beda shows the way with an 8-1 mark while Letran is just a game behind with a 7-2 slate.

Meanwhile, Mapua, currently toting a 5-6 record, tries to keep its hold of fourth place as it faces also-ran St. Benilde (1-9) at 4 p.m.

The Cardinals are also on a three-game run as they moved from sixth to fourth with a 5-6 card heading into the crucial phase of the double round elims.

Led by Kelvin dela Peña, Mapua mowed down Letran, 89-82, last Aug. 8, blasted San Sebastian, 80-71, two days later and then smashed Perpetual Help, 83-64, last week.

LION
08-22-2007, 09:13 AM
Another disbarment case.* * ;D

gameface_one
08-22-2007, 09:17 AM
Can a PBA draftee still play in college?

NCAA debates case of San Beda’s Aljamal

By WAYLON GALVEZ
mb.com.ph

YOUSIF ALJAMAL was among the surprise picks — No. 8 — in last Sunday’s PBA Rookie Draft.


But while he’s close to realizing his dream of playing in the PBA, his other dream of winning back-to-back NCAA championships for San Beda is over – or perhaps, on hold – as his school debates with NCAA officials whether he can play in college even after accepting a PBA draft.

The 6-foot-4 Aljamal, drafted by Air21, found himself scratched from the San Beda lineup followng a decision by the NCAA management committee (MANCOM) that he no longer qualifies as an NCAA player after he was drafted by the Air21 Express.

Aljamal was selected eighth overall by Air21. But his stay with the team may be shortlived as reports say he has been dealt to Talk ’N Text in exchange for future picks.

A reliable source said the decision to bar Aljamal was based on the league’s constitution and by-laws.

"Not only did he fail to inform his school and the NCAA that he was entering the draft, he also participated in a three-day camp," said the source, who asked not to be named.

He said the PBA Rookie Training Camp last week is considered a tournament outside of the NCAA.

The source said that the league already has a rule that disallows NCAA players frm joining the camp which it considers as a separate tournament. But the NCAA relented and said it would allow its players to partcipate on condition that the player or players seek permission from the league.

"In his case, Aljamal did not (ask permission). It’s simple as following the rules" the source said.

Aljamal’s school, however, disagrees with the MANCOM ruling and has appealed for reconsideration.

In a statement, San Beda Rector Fr. Mateo de Jesus said the policy on this matter was vague.

"There’s no clear-cut policy or any written ruling that an NCAA player who wishes to be part of the PBA needs to secure the permission of the MANCOM. This decision of the MANCOM is clearly unfair and one-sided, and quite contrary to the spirit of collegiality that the NCAA seeks to foster," Fr. de Jesus said.

"Aljamal’s drafting should be a source of pride for the NCAA. Instead, this episode could create the misperception that the NCAA is in fact not supportive of its players seeking to move up to the professional ranks," he added.

MANCOM chairman Paul Supan of Jose Rizal University said that they will discuss San Beda’s protest and will make a final decision afterwards.

The Bulletin tried to contact Aljamal, as well as his representatives, but calls were not answered.

irateluvmachine
08-22-2007, 01:22 PM
what about leo najorda? he was still playing for baste when red bull drafted him...and they allowed him to finish the ncaa season...

5FootCarrot
08-22-2007, 01:29 PM
^ Si Gabby Espinas din, pinayagan di ba?

My understanding is that the NCAA is more lenient and allows PBA draftees to continue playing (provided, of course, they're still enrolled in the NCAA member school for which they are playing).

Does the NCAA have a requirement that they at least be notified that Player X is applying for the draft, or is this a surprise regulation penalizing players who have been drafted, that they're springing on people in the middle of the season?

oca
08-22-2007, 01:40 PM
Dalawa ang punto ng Mancom.

1. Hindi nagpaalam.

2. Naglaro sa rookie camp while the league is ongoing.

Sa una, if proof can be shown that Najorda, Aban, Bautista and Espinas ALL had asked and were granted permission by the NCAA, then the same should be apply to Aljamal. Di pwede yung pasabi lang. Pakita sila ng sulat o document attesting may humingi at binigyan ng pahintulot.

Sa punto naman ng paglalaro while the NCAA is ongoing, tanda ko lahat ng mga nauna kay Aljamal ay naglaro sa PBA camp. Kung ano yung camp sa panahon ng mga unang nabanggit, yun din yung camp sa panahon ni Aljamal. Kung di ako nagkakamali, Aban even registered the highest vertical leap among applicants then.

Harang talaga itong ginawa kay Aljamal at San Beda.

Wang-Bu
08-22-2007, 01:41 PM
^^^ Second the motion ako sa sinabi ni Sir Irate.

Sa ganang akin mahirap yatang tanggapin ang turing ng NCAA sa isang Predraft Camp bilang isang "tournament". Kung ganun dapat ituring din nilang tournament ang Elite Camp, ganun din kasi 'yon, na-TV at nagpakitang gilas ang players dun.

Isa pa, kung sa akin lang hangga't walang kontrata ang isang player hindi pa siya pro at dapat pwede pa siyang maglaro sa NCAA. Huwag na nating idamay ang ahente, alam naman nating lahat na may ahente na din ang player sa college. Na-draft lang naman 'yung tao. Sa pagkakaalam ko hindi ka pa officially pro ang manlalaro hangga't wala ka pang kontrata.

Tsaka ano ba itong paalam-paalam pa? Ang hilig-hilig ng Pinoy sa paalam system na 'yan. Bakit naman kailangan pa niyan sa kaso ng player na gustong mag-PBA? Kung ayaw ba ng NCAA pumayag sa "paalam" ibig sabihin hindi na pwedeng mag-pro ang player?

Kung ako sa NCAA tigilan na nila itong mga ganitong rigodon at hayaan ng maglaro si Aljamal.

pio_valenz
08-22-2007, 03:56 PM
Abogado pala si Aljamal. Na-disbar eh.

Dark Knight
08-22-2007, 07:45 PM
same case with Boyet Batista and Aaron aban. Na draft but continue playimg with Letran.

jayverns
08-22-2007, 07:46 PM
may nalalaman pa silang paalam-paalam eh matagal na naman nilang alam na may balak mag-PBA si Yousif, last year pa yang balita na yan ah! after na mag-champion ang San Beda. haay ginagawa lang nilang excuse yan at gaya nga ng sinabi ni Ed Picson, hindi pa siya final hangga't walang contract-signing. Ewan ko ba kung bakit pinalalaki ng bwisit na NCAA Mancom na yan yung issue. tsk tsk tsk!

kryptonite
08-22-2007, 08:51 PM
Kulang lang siguro sa pansin ang NCAA. Unang ginawa yan ni Don Allado noong 1999. Pinayagan syang maglaro sa UAAP kahit na-draft na sya sa PBA. Sa NCAA, si Leo Najorda noong 2005, Sina Gabby Espinas, Aaron Aban at Boyet Bautista noong 2006.

gameface_one
08-23-2007, 10:39 AM
TRO allows Aljamal to see action



By WAYLON GALVEZ
mb.com.ph

FROM THE basketball court, San Beda College turned to the court of law in its fight to reverse an NCAA Management Committee (MANCOM) ruling disqualifying one of its players for violating league rules.


SBC officials obtained a 72-hour Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) yesterday which lifted the ban on SBC’s star player Yousif Aljamal. The TRO allowed Aljamal to play for San Beda against Jose Rizal College yesterday.

Aljamal, a 6-foot-4 power forward, was disqualified by the MANCOM last Tuesday for failing to "seek permission" from the league regarding his plan to join the PBA Rookie Draft.

Aljamal, 24, was selected No. 8 by the Air21 Express during last Sunday’s draft day in a Taguig mall.

San Beda obtained the TRO at 10 a.m. from the Manila Regional Trial Court and it was served to MANCOM chairman Paul Supan hours before the start of the SBC-JRU game at The Arena in San Juan.

The TRO was to get quick relief for the school which also has filed a letter of reconsideration with the NCAA policy board seeking a reversal of the MANCOM ruling. (MANCOM consists of school sports officials while the policy board is the higher body made up of academic officials which can overrule MANCOM).

Sources said San Beda has scored a double whammy. Besides the TRO, the policy board has reportedly modified the MANCOM ruling.

Instead of total disqualification, Aljamal may get away with a three-game suspension, thus making him available for the Final Four.

Aljamal leads his team in scoring with an average of 15.2 points.

Henry Atayde, the College of St. Benilde representative in the policy board, said his group will announce its decision on San Beda’s appeal after the expiration of the TRO in three days.

When told that Aljamal might be slapped with a three-game ban, San Beda Rector and President Fr. Mateo de Jesus was far from happy.

"A one-game suspension is still too harsh and won’t be commensurate penalty to the violation, if there is indeed a violation," said De Jesus who branded MANCOM’s reason for disqualifying Aljamal as "very flimsy."

"It’s very sad. They try to demoralize a team with very flimsy (reasons) ... which is not even in the constitution of the league," he said.

Fr. De Jesus cited the provision in the league constitution and by-laws — section 6.5.2 which prohibits players from joining "contest, league and tournaments of the same nature of the NCAA."

"The NCAA ends mid-September, and the PBA begins mid-October, how can that be a conflict of interest. I hope they will see our point and let the game be won in the court and not in the boardroom," said Fr. De Jesus.

Aljamal, for his part, said that had he known he had to seek permission, he would have done so without hesitation.

"Ang liit na bagay lang naman nung, bakit naman ‘di ko gagawin na magpaalam sa kanila," he said before the start of yesterday’s game.

"Hindi ko talaga alam na may ganung klaseng ruling," said Aljamal.

christian
08-23-2007, 04:03 PM
CHEAPSHOTS!

bedan_futbolera
08-24-2007, 04:08 PM
PLAYING FAIR

By Ronnie Nathanielsz
ManilaStandardToday.com
24 August 2007

WHEN we switched to Studio 23 to watch the San Beda-Jose Rizal University game last Tuesday, we were pleasantly surprised to see Red Lion’s hotshot Yousif Aljamal in action since the league’s so-called management committee had banned him for the rest of the season.

The reasons cited was Aljamal’s failure to inform the Mancom of his entry into the Philippine Basketball Association Annual Draft and apparently for his participation in games, which were part of the Rookie Camp activities.

For a moment, we thought that good sense had prevailed and the National Collegiate Athletic Association realized its mistake and let the young man play. Instead, it turned out that San Beda obtained a Temporary Restraining Order, which enabled Aljamal to play in what was a crucial game to Jose Rizal University in its bid to earn a place in the Final Four.

To begin with, the attempt by management committees or boards of governors to interfere in the operations of any leagues goes against the grain of ensuring fairness and integrity, since team owners or their representatives obviously have partisan and selfish interests to protect. This is true of the PBA, PBL, UAAP, NCAA or any other league for that matter. That is why the leagues appoint commissioners, who are presumably fair-minded individuals, who don’t favor any team and have no particular interests other than the good of the league as a whole.

“Think League” was the cry of the late, well-loved PBA commissioner Jun Bernardino, who followed the path of independence and fairness, which were espoused by his eminent predecessors and mentors Leo Prieto and Rudy Salud.

The fact that JRU, the host of this year’s NCAA, was playing San Beda in a game that meant so much to them and stood to benefit from the ban on Aljamal made a mockery of the concept of fairness and sportsmanship that we presume is inculcated in the youth by our educational institutions. Whether JRU influenced the Mancom or not is immaterial, because whether they like it not, it looked in very poor taste. Besides, it didn’t speak well of the NCAA itself especially since Aljamal was a key player and proved it beyond doubt in Tuesday’s (sic) game.

The resort to the courts as a means of obtaining justice in a sporting environment runs counter to the very essence of the philosophy that games should be won or lost on the hardcourt or the playing field and never in board rooms, where personal interests override the good of the league. Beyond that, it sets a disturbing trend that all genuine lovers of sport should guard against.

Of course, San Beda was left with no choice but to seek redress in the courts for what seemed like a terrible injustice both to the team and the player by the NCAA management committee, which should, in the first place, merely set the goals and the guidelines and allow its commissioner to run the league and decide on issues of eligibility, violation of rules, etc.

Aljamal had an inherent right to join the PBA Draft and there is no earthly reason why he should have been severely penalized for not informing the NCAA other than it being an act of courtesy. That he played in the Rookie Camp games as a basis for the disqualification rings hollow. The games were not part of a sanctioned tournament and was merely an attempt to size up the skills of the amateur players in the draft.
In the end, Aljamal played, San Beda won as expected despite a pathetic effort of JRU to play dirty at times, which incurred the ire of coach Frankie Lim, and JRU was embarrassed, not so much because they lost but how they tried to win.

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?...ts8_aug24_2007

Howard the Duck
08-24-2007, 04:30 PM
^Ilang beses bang dapat i-repost yang column ni ronnie? ???

lekiboy
08-24-2007, 06:40 PM
^Ilang beses bang dapat i-repost yang column ni ronnie? ???


ang instruction e every 3 hours in all posts... :)

hooray! hoorah!

Gym_Rat
08-24-2007, 11:05 PM
^Ilang beses bang dapat i-repost yang column ni ronnie? ???


ang instruction e every 3 hours in all posts... :)

hooray! hoorah!


I have deleted the last Ronnie post in the Latest News thread. Just a reminder to newbie posters: please check the various threads before you post, as newspaper columns cut and pasted are the most frequently used to flood forums.

Back to regular programming.

Howard the Duck
08-25-2007, 12:46 AM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?

Red Vanquish
08-25-2007, 11:52 AM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?



It appears there is none. Otherwise, all that Mancom has to do is show the press a copy of such rule in black and white so there is nothing left to speculate about. This controversy has been dragging for few days now and there is nothing to indicate that there is really such a rule. This is considering that fact that some players of the NCAA have been drafted to the PBA during the NCAA season in the past. And if Mancom is claiming that these players "complied" with the "rule" then it is imperateive that they show such "rule" or at least show evidence that those players indeed notifed or asked permission from Mancom prior to the PBA draft.

toti_mendiola
08-25-2007, 12:26 PM
unless of course the mancom would claim that they met, deliberated and passed this measure during the first round when every other team were busy cheering while they mancom toil and labor for the love of the league. ;D

lekiboy
08-25-2007, 12:49 PM
unless of course the mancom would claim that they met, deliberated and passed this measure during the first round when every other team were busy cheering while they mancom toil and labor for the love of the league.* ;D*


^ they have to show doc evidences of those "meetings" in court....

danny
08-26-2007, 05:08 PM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?



It appears there is none. Otherwise, all that Mancom has to do is show the press a copy of such rule in black and white so there is nothing left to speculate about. This controversy has been dragging for few days now and there is nothing to indicate that there is really such a rule. This is considering that fact that some players of the NCAA have been drafted to the PBA during the NCAA season in the past. And if Mancom is claiming that these players "complied" with the "rule" then it is imperateive that they show such "rule" or at least show evidence that those players indeed notifed or asked permission from Mancom prior to the PBA draft.


All rise!

RedKfir
08-26-2007, 07:10 PM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?


Yes, such rule does not exist in the NCAA. Otherwise, this issue would be over the moment the suspension order on Yousif was received by San Beda. Supan and ManCom cannot produce such document or anything related to the effect in the court, if they did then the court would not grant the TRO to us. If the NCAA does not want its players presently playing to be drafted in the PBA, they should have came up a rule in the past similar to that of the UAAP barring any players presently playing from being drafted.

Howard the Duck
08-26-2007, 11:58 PM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?


Yes, such rule does not exist in the NCAA. Otherwise, this issue would be over the moment the suspension order on Yousif was received by San Beda. Supan and ManCom cannot produce such document or anything related to the effect in the court, if they did then the court would not grant the TRO to us. If the NCAA does not want its players presently playing to be drafted in the PBA, they should have came up a rule in the past similar to that of the UAAP barring any players presently playing from being drafted.
Even though they haven't produced a rule now means they can't produce later :P

flsfnoeraekadad
08-27-2007, 12:12 AM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?


Yes, such rule does not exist in the NCAA. Otherwise, this issue would be over the moment the suspension order on Yousif was received by San Beda. Supan and ManCom cannot produce such document or anything related to the effect in the court, if they did then the court would not grant the TRO to us. If the NCAA does not want its players presently playing to be drafted in the PBA, they should have came up a rule in the past similar to that of the UAAP barring any players presently playing from being drafted.
Even though they haven't produced a rule now means they can't produce later :P
...or in the next few days. ;D

franz_inwurdz
08-27-2007, 01:30 AM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?


Yes, such rule does not exist in the NCAA. Otherwise, this issue would be over the moment the suspension order on Yousif was received by San Beda. Supan and ManCom cannot produce such document or anything related to the effect in the court, if they did then the court would not grant the TRO to us. If the NCAA does not want its players presently playing to be drafted in the PBA, they should have came up a rule in the past similar to that of the UAAP barring any players presently playing from being drafted.
Even though they haven't produced a rule now means they can't produce later :P
...or in the next few days. ;D

or they may be writing about it as we speak. We might be seeing it in the next few hours.

Howard the Duck
08-27-2007, 02:26 AM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?


Yes, such rule does not exist in the NCAA. Otherwise, this issue would be over the moment the suspension order on Yousif was received by San Beda. Supan and ManCom cannot produce such document or anything related to the effect in the court, if they did then the court would not grant the TRO to us. If the NCAA does not want its players presently playing to be drafted in the PBA, they should have came up a rule in the past similar to that of the UAAP barring any players presently playing from being drafted.
Even though they haven't produced a rule now means they can't produce later :P
...or in the next few days. ;D

or they may be writing about it as we speak. We might be seeing it in the next few hours.

or there was really a rule and no one knew about it.

so if there really was a rule, what should happen to SBC?
(And don't tell me the answer "but there really is no rule like that :P)

lekiboy
08-27-2007, 08:07 AM
^ thiis is going nowhere.....

christian
08-27-2007, 09:28 AM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?


Yes, such rule does not exist in the NCAA. Otherwise, this issue would be over the moment the suspension order on Yousif was received by San Beda. Supan and ManCom cannot produce such document or anything related to the effect in the court, if they did then the court would not grant the TRO to us. If the NCAA does not want its players presently playing to be drafted in the PBA, they should have came up a rule in the past similar to that of the UAAP barring any players presently playing from being drafted.
Even though they haven't produced a rule now means they can't produce later :P
...or in the next few days. ;D

or they may be writing about it as we speak. We might be seeing it in the next few hours.

or there was really a rule and no one knew about it.

so if there really was a rule, what should happen to SBC?
(And don't tell me the answer "but there really is no rule like that :P)


Hehe sir Howard, if there's a rule, supan and his goons would have gone already gone public ;) try looking up in youtube their interviews in ANC's Hardball.

Howard the Duck
08-27-2007, 11:34 AM
no, just answer the question without the premise that there is no rule.

lekiboy
08-27-2007, 11:47 AM
no, just answer the question without the premise that there is no rule.


if there was a clear-cut, documented rule, we could have asked for permission, a written one - of course..

we're not known for cheating and we have always been that way since the league started 83 years ago.

sige, howard, what do you think of the whole issue? let us know your thoughts.

Kid Cubao
08-27-2007, 12:15 PM
so are we positively sure that there's no such rule in the NCAA?

no rule.




no, just answer the question without the premise that there is no rule.

if there is no rule, then there is no rule. if there is a rule, e di meron. pero wala nga eh, kaya ba't mo pa ipinagpipilitan?!? may nalalaman ka ba sa pamamalakad sa NCAA at ang pagkakaiba nito sa UAAP? kung wala, e di tumahimik ka na lang. ang babano ng mga hirit mo.

gameface_one
08-27-2007, 12:29 PM
Sports
NCAA seeks lifting of San Beda TRO
By Joey Villar


Monday, August 27, 2007
Philstar.com



The NCAA has filed a petition at the Manila Regional Trial Court seeking to lift the 20-day extension of the temporary restraining order (TRO) which San Beda secured over the weekend that prevented the league from suspending SBC star forward Yousif Aljamal.

“We also filed our own petition, we’ll see what the courts will decide,” said Management Committee member Henry Atayde of St. Benilde. “We hope this will be settled on Tuesday after the hearing.”

San Beda rector Fr. Matteo de Jesus, OSB, said Saturday they obtained a 20-day extension order that would allow Aljamal to play at least until Sept. 14 despite the three-game suspension slapped on him by the NCAA Policy Board.

“I’m happy with the development,” said De Jesus.

This means Aljamal, the 2006 Finals MVP, will play in the Lions’ game against the Perpetual Help Altas on Wednesday.

The extension was issued by Judge Rosario Cruz of the Manila RTC on the same day the first TRO expired.

Aljamal was initially suspended by the Mancom for the duration of Season 83 after San Beda failed to officially inform the league of his intention of joining the three-day PBA camp. It was, however, reduced to only until the end of the elimination round by the Policy Board, composed of heads and presidents of all members schools.

A TRO, however, prevented the league from enforcing the suspension for the next three days, and consequently, for another 20 days due to the recent court order.

Aljamal was picked eighth overall by Air21 before he was dealt to Talk N’ Text.

A long-drawn-out court battle is expected between the league and San Beda, virtually relegating the ongoing seniors’ games, already nearing the end of the eliminations, to the background.

gameface_one
08-27-2007, 12:37 PM
The NCAA dilemma
THE GAME OF MY LIFE By Bill Velasco

Monday, August 27, 2007
Philstar.com

The storm clouds over the National Collegiate Athletic Association have shown no signs of abating. The issues will get even muddier as San Beda College has been able to acquire a new 20-day Temporary Restraining Order preventing the implementation of a suspension against the Red Lions’ Yousif Aljamal.

This writer has been receiving text messages from people claiming to be alumni of both San Beda and Jose Rizal University. They were almost unanimous in expressing their sadness at the turn of events.

The trouble began a week ago, when the NCAA Management Committee (Mancom) came out with an order suspending San Beda forward Aljamal for the remainder of the regular season for participating in the PBA Rookie Camp and Rookie Draft. The suspension order came out Monday, August 20, and was met with a violent objection by the school.

Many questioned the timing of the suspension order. First of all, Aljamal’s name was on the list of those who had applied for the PBA Draft, and he was listed among those able to play in the Rookie Camp. Couldn’t the NCAA have settled the matter privately, by asking San Beda to forward a written request to allow Aljamal to play? Also, the suspension came out two days before San Beda was slated to play against host Jose Rizal University, which is aiming for a Final Four slot, and a possible twice-to-beat advantage should it finish the eliminations in the top two. JRU has not won an NCAA title since 1972.

Tuesday night, on this writer’s daily television program Hardball, I asked San Beda team manager Mike Advani what they were going to do for the game against JRU.

“We are playing. And we are playing with Aljamal,” was his blunt reply.

Last season and the season before, several NCAA stars, including Gabby Espinas, Aaron Aban and Boyet Bautista, played in the playoffs well after being drafted into the PBA. Apparently, they had sought permission from the league first.

San Beda believes that no rule was violated. They contend that the Rookie Camp was not an organized tournament, but just a scrimmage. But the Mancom has a different perspective.

“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde.

San Beda protested the suspension decision, and appealed to the NCAA Policy Board, which is composed of the heads of the seven member schools. They reduced the sanction to a three-game suspension, making Aljamal eligible to play in the Final Four.

However, the Red Lions were already armed with a 72-hour TRO from the Manila Regional Trial Court, rendering the Policy Board decision moot. Aljamal was allowed to play. Over the weekend, San Beda was able to get a 20-day TRO, further staying the league’s hand in meting out any further punishment.

Although the league dismissed talk of scrapping the season as earlier reported in another newspaper, this does not end the issue.

What happens after the TRO expires? Will the NCAA rewrite its own history by reviewing its decisions? What if the NCAA tells San Beda to forfeit the games they played with Aljamal after the original suspension was supposed to take effect? And what if San Beda decides to just up and leave the tournament (and perhaps the NCAA) altogether? The league will then be in breach of its contract with ABS-CBN, and will disappoint its various communities: students, alumni, fans, not to mention the players.

Perhaps the biggest questions still to be answered are: how important is it to enforce an unclear rule that is interpreted differently, and is voided by the mere act of asking permission, anyway? And beyond this, who benefits by punishing San Beda.

These are the questions NCAA fans wish were answered clearly and promptly.

toti_mendiola
08-27-2007, 01:17 PM
The NCAA dilemma
THE GAME OF MY LIFE By Bill Velasco

Monday, August 27, 2007
Philstar.com

The storm clouds over the National Collegiate Athletic Association have shown no signs of abating. The issues will get even muddier as San Beda College has been able to acquire a new 20-day Temporary Restraining Order preventing the implementation of a suspension against the Red Lions’ Yousif Aljamal..........

........The trouble began a week ago, when the NCAA Management Committee (Mancom) came out with an order suspending San Beda forward Aljamal for the remainder of the regular season for participating in the PBA Rookie Camp and Rookie Draft. The suspension order came out Monday, August 20, and was met with a violent objection by the school.....

......Many questioned the timing of the suspension order. First of all, Aljamal’s name was on the list of those who had applied for the PBA Draft, and he was listed among those able to play in the Rookie Camp. Couldn’t the NCAA have settled the matter privately, by asking San Beda to forward a written request to allow Aljamal to play? Also, the suspension came out two days before San Beda was slated to play against host Jose Rizal University, which is aiming for a Final Four slot, and a possible twice-to-beat advantage should it finish the eliminations in the top two. JRU has not won an NCAA title since 1972

Tuesday night, on this writer’s daily television program Hardball, I asked San Beda team manager Mike Advani what they were going to do for the game against JRU.


Last season and the season before, several NCAA stars, including Gabby Espinas, Aaron Aban and Boyet Bautista, played in the playoffs well after being drafted into the PBA. Apparently, they had sought permission from the league first.

San Beda believes that no rule was violated. They contend that the Rookie Camp was not an organized tournament, but just a scrimmage. But the Mancom has a different perspective.

“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde".

Perhaps the biggest questions still to be answered are: how important is it to enforce an unclear rule that is interpreted differently, and is voided by the mere act of asking permission, anyway? And beyond this, who benefits by punishing San Beda.

These are the questions NCAA fans wish were answered clearly and* promptly.


a rule that will be voided by mere act of asking permission. ;D
Nicely put Mr. Bill.

toti_mendiola
08-27-2007, 01:28 PM
we are sure of it just like you guys were sure about jojo duncils age. ;D

Red Vanquish
08-27-2007, 07:16 PM
Here's a quote from the CONSTITUTION and BY-LAWS, and MANUAL OF OPERATIONS OF THE NCAA:

Similar provisions are found in SECTION 2.7, RULE #2 RESTRICTIONS & SECTION 6.5.2:

"Any athlete, individual or team, is NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE in any sports contest, league or tournament of the particular sports event while the NCAA tournament for the particular sport event is ON-GOING without the permission of the NCAA ManCom, otherwise, VIOLATION of this provision shall be REMOVAL of the concern (sic) athlete, individual or team, fromthe particular sports tournament and that preceding games/matches where the athlete has participated in and the succeeding assigned games/matches shall be considered forfeited".


Did Aljamal violate the above provision as claimed by ManCom? I rest my case....................

christian
08-27-2007, 08:02 PM
“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde.

Huh? Pano yung mga benchwarmers? If there's no minute/s logged under his name?

Sir Howard, wala nga rule ;D

Mikhail
08-27-2007, 08:26 PM
“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde.


OT: eto pala yung logic kung bakit nagprotesta ang lasal kay Kirk at Zi. 40 mins pa pala nagkasabay! Oh noes! ;D

Howard the Duck
08-27-2007, 08:44 PM
Now if there's no rule, and the policy board suspended aljamal for 3 games (from mancom's rest of the season), then why can't just san beda just let the 3 games pass? after all, aljamal clearly didn't ask for permission.

tigerman
08-27-2007, 08:54 PM
“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde.



I highly suggest the Bedans here to encourage Mr. Atayde to attend statury construction classes.

If we follow his reasoning then all players are guilty of this.




USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

mighty_lion
08-27-2007, 09:30 PM
“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,” asserts College of St. Benilde Mancom representative Henry Atayde.



I highly suggest the Bedans here to encourage Mr. Atayde to attend statury construction classes.

If we follow his reasoning then all players are guilty of this.

USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!


IMO, lahat dapat ng NCAA teams suspended at 0-9 ang standing. Lahat sila nagpractice ng walang written notice sa Mancom. Tournament yon.

dread
08-27-2007, 11:02 PM
Now if there's no rule, and the policy board suspended aljamal for 3 games (from mancom's rest of the season), then why can't just san beda just let the 3 games pass? after all, aljamal clearly didn't ask for permission.


Mr. Duck, idol ko pa naman blog mo kaya lang ang labo mo. Wala nga rule, pano i - suspend? on what ground? With all due respect Mr. Duck, stop your quack quack.

Howard the Duck
08-27-2007, 11:06 PM
Now if there's no rule, and the policy board suspended aljamal for 3 games (from mancom's rest of the season), then why can't just san beda just let the 3 games pass? after all, aljamal clearly didn't ask for permission.


Mr. Duck, idol ko pa naman blog mo kaya lang ang labo mo. Wala nga rule, pano i - suspend? on what ground? With all due respect Mr. Duck, stop your quack quack.
Pero pwede din naman paubusin di ba? yung 3 games na suspended puro naman non-bearing for SBC (they're a lock for a semis berth already), and once the issue is resolved (after 20 days), then it becomes moot.

LongBow
08-27-2007, 11:53 PM
Now if there's no rule, and the policy board suspended aljamal for 3 games (from mancom's rest of the season), then why can't just san beda just let the 3 games pass? after all, aljamal clearly didn't ask for permission.


I think it's really a matter of principle why san beda doesn't just let go of the issue. *Some people are thinking "Bakit pa kelangang paabutin sa TRO? Basketball lang naman yan? Ang OA naman ng San Beda". * The thing is, we are Bedans -- to just sit there and watch while INJUSTICE is being done to a Bedan brother would be a crime in itself. *It's not the Bedan way to leave a brother behind when people use their INFLUENCE to relieve him of his rights. *It's something some people might never understand. But we are Bedans, and we watch out for each other. *Aljamal has a RIGHT to play for the rest of the season, why deprive him of that? *Nagkataon lang na ang solution sa case na to eh ang pagkuha ng TRO. * *

On the Permission Issue: *Does he even have to ask for permission? *Yun kasi ang sinasabi ng mga tao dito. *He has to ask permission IF he PARTICIPATES in any sports contest, league or tournament. *As far as people here know, the rookie camp is NOT a sports contest, league nor a tournament. *As i've read, the pba has even sent a document clearly stating that the rookie camp is not such a tournament. *Ergo, that particular rule (The one for asking mancom's permission) does not apply in this scenario AND aljamal does not have to seek permission. *Now, if aljamal does not have to ask permission, then the mancom or even the policy board doesn't have a right to suspend him, do they?. *If they don't have a right to suspend aljamal in the first place, why deprive him of his right to consume his eligibility?

Pahabol lang: *“Once you put on your basketball shoes and hold a basketball, you’re playing,”- I didn't really want to say it but this is pure rubbish!!! *Kung nagtsinelas kaya si aljamal nung rookie camp, violation pa rin kaya? * *;D

danny
08-28-2007, 12:58 AM
no, just answer the question without the premise that there is no rule.


Oh my. Misstating the issue to make it simplistic and easy to knock down.

The subject of the TRO is the "rule" concerning the need to ask permission to join another tournament. In the interpretation of the NCAA, the PBA rookie camp is a tournmanent. We say otherwise. :D

Again, here's a quote from the CONSTITUTION and BY-LAWS, and MANUAL OF OPERATIONS OF THE NCAA:

SECTION 2.7, RULE #2 RESTRICTIONS & SECTION 6.5.2:

"Any athlete, individual or team, is NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE in any sports contest, league or tournament of the particular sports event while the NCAA tournament for the particular sport event is ON-GOING without the permission of the NCAA ManCom, otherwise, VIOLATION of this provision shall be REMOVAL of the concern (sic) athlete, individual or team, fromthe particular sports tournament and that preceding games/matches where the athlete has participated in and the succeeding assigned games/matches shall be considered forfeited".* *


1. Is the rookie camp a sports tournament?
2. Did Aljamal, who was already suspended as of August 8 NCAA memo, violated the* rule by attending the rookie camp the following week? :D
3. If you wear your basketball shoes,* are you already in a tournament according to Henry Atayda and the NCAA?



What do you think Howard? We want to hear from you.

danny
08-28-2007, 01:33 AM
It feels nice when even* ancient "enemies" come out and support your school.

Thank you. You know who you are. Thank you.

"Justice for Aljamal! Justice for All! "- * *circa '80s for the oldies. ;)

------------------------------------------

Shooting itself in the foot
SPORTING CHANCE* By Joaquin M. Henson
Tuesday, August 28, 2007

There is a clear failure to communicate within the NCAA hierarchy in the case involving San Beda College star Yousif Aljamal, last year’s Finals MVP.

Instead of closing ranks in the wake of a scandalous point-shaving scheme uncovered by police authorities, the NCAA has chosen to shoot itself in the foot by trying to gun down one of its role models.

Last Tuesday, the NCAA Management Committee issued a memorandum suspending Aljamal the day before the Red Lions were to face Jose Rizal University. Curiously, the memorandum was dated two weeks earlier.

The delayed issuance gave San Beda officials no time to appeal the decision before the Committee, forcing a move to go to the courts for a stay. On the day of the game, Judge Reynaldo Ros of Branch 33 of the Manila Regional Trial Court authorized a 72-hour temporary restraining order to allow Aljamal to suit up.

Showing no demoralization despite the attempt to barnacle him, Aljamal fired 23 points to power San Beda to an 82-74 win over the Heavy Bombers. The game, however, was marred by a series of flagrant fouls, temper blow-ups and a near fistfight involving the opposing coaches. Surely, the attempt to shackle Aljamal had a lot to do with turning the game into a powder-keg situation. The Committee can only be blamed for that volcanic eruption.

San Beda officials later secured a 20-day extension of the TRO, putting the NCAA in an embarrassing bind.

The sordid affair could’ve been prevented if only the Committee discussed the matter transparently with the intention of finding a positive solution to a prospective problem. From the looks of things, the hatchet job was a conspiracy to gang up on the league’s No. 1 team.

It’s never a good policy to question the administration or authority of a sports league in the courts. The spirit of sportsmanship is lost when an athlete seeks redress beyond the confines of his sport for an apparent injustice that is sports-related. But what is an athlete to do if he is unfairly treated by those who control his sport?

The Committee swooped down on Aljamal for participating in a three-day PBA rookie camp preparatory to the pro draft. The Committee said Aljamal never sought permission to play in the camp and slapped the suspension because of the apparent snub.

The Committee initially barred Aljamal from playing for the rest of the season but the NCAA Policy Board was more tolerant, deciding to freeze him only up to the end of the eliminations.

If Aljamal was really guilty of violating a league rule, why did the Policy Board relax the penalty earlier imposed by the Committee? What prompted the Committee to suspend Aljamal in the first place? A snub? An oversight? Where is the consistency of decision-making in the NCAA leadership?

Aljamal’s application for the PBA draft was well-known and publicized for weeks before the Committee issued the suspension. If all the Committee wanted was for Aljamal to seek permission, why didn’t it inform San Beda beforehand? Why was the memorandum dated Aug. 8 or 11 days before the draft? Was there a plot to disenfranchise Aljamal from the start?

San Beda officials claim no permission was needed for Aljamal to participate in the rookie camp because it wasn’t a tournament. Surely, if the NCAA’s rules were clear, there would be no misinterpretation. And since the rules were obviously unclear, shouldn’t there have been prior consultation or discussion before issuing a decision based on a hazy premise?

It’s as if the NCAA had no more serious problems to tackle. The point-shaving scandal certainly put to doubt the integrity of the season and rather than clean up its act, the NCAA chose to disbar one of its star players in a move that smacks of bad faith and poor sportsmanship. What message is the NCAA delivering to the students of the schools that make up the league?

Then, there was talk that the season might be scrapped as a way for the Committee to express its displeasure on the court’s invasion of its turf. Fortunately, the talk proved to be a baseless rumor. It wouldn’t have just been shooting itself in the foot but the Committee would’ve shot itself in the head if it decided to scrap the season.

Clamping down on a powerhouse school is nothing new. In the UAAP, La Salle was slapped a one-year suspension in all sports after it voluntarily informed the league of eligibility violations in its senior basketball program. The violations involved two relatively inconsequential players and in a show of sincerity, La Salle offered to surrender the championship trophy the Archers won with the ineligible cagers in the lineup.

Instead of using La Salle as an example, the UAAP chose to suspend the school not just in basketball but in all other sports. Even the high school athletes weren’t spared. Athletes who had nothing to do with the eligibility issue were penalized unfairly. The decision wasn’t only severe but abusive and apparently, spiteful.

If other schools were to uncover similar violations in the future, none would ever come out in the open to volunteer the information because of the risk of being chastised for honesty.

The UAAP and NCAA are supposed to be bastions of sportsmanship. School officials are expected to lead by example. But from recent developments, neither league has reason to be proud. Politics, partisanship and crab mentality are so prevalent in shaping decisions that are so uncharacteristic of Christian educators who make up the leadership in the school leagues.

http://philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20070827166

danny
08-28-2007, 03:54 AM
A - zu!
I - ma!
Yebo Yebo
Rah!


Another ancient San Beda Cheer. Oh, wrong thread.
;D

magnum_motoki
08-28-2007, 05:32 AM
Shooting itself in the foot
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
Tuesday, August 28, 2007

Remarkable piece Sir. You went down to the details, and exposed this "open-secret" conspiracy to make a mockery of NCAA, SAN BEDA COLLEGE, AND BASKETBALL ITSELF...., to quote you Sir...

"the hatchet job was a conspiracy to gang up on the league’s No. 1 team."


ANIMO SAN BEDA!!!

dread
08-28-2007, 05:45 AM
Now if there's no rule, and the policy board suspended aljamal for 3 games (from mancom's rest of the season), then why can't just san beda just let the 3 games pass? after all, aljamal clearly didn't ask for permission.


Mr. Duck, idol ko pa naman blog mo kaya lang ang labo mo. Wala nga rule, pano i - suspend? on what ground? With all due respect Mr. Duck, stop your quack quack.
Pero pwede din naman paubusin di ba? yung 3 games na suspended puro naman non-bearing for SBC (they're a lock for a semis berth already), and once the issue is resolved (after 20 days), then it becomes moot.


I understand your point Sir, its just a matter of principle. And if you remember Sir, before San Beda won the championship last year, its a 28 year drought. San Beda patiently waited for its turn of glory and never threw a single jab to any school even if San Beda is the cellar dweller during those times. San Beda even fought side by side with Letran when they are in the same dillema a few years ago. It all boils down to what is right and fair. With this Mr. Duck, i rest my case.

mighty_lion
08-28-2007, 06:25 AM
To close down this issue, one party has to give up. And that party has to be the real culprit(s). Who will that be? Isa lang masasabi ko. Kahiya-hiya. Mga rector at presidente pa din naman ng mga eskwelahan. The real loser(s) should surrender their ranks and apologize to the public for the damage that they did. Not to mention the damages they have to settle with attys.

He who acts in bad faith never prevails. As the dark side of the world will never be victorious against the mighty Jedi's.* ;D (wala na maisip)

Next... Mr. Commissioner we havent heard anthying regarding the flagrant fouls committed to our players last Wednesday...

gameface_one
08-28-2007, 07:28 AM
NCAA, San Beda execs eye amicable settlement


By Marc Anthony Reyes
Inquirer
Last updated 03:13am (Mla time) 08/28/2007


MANILA, Philippines -- The controversial and bumpy ride that took the National Collegiate Athletic Association as far as the trial courts appeared headed to where it should have stayed in the first place -- on the hard court.

This development shaped up after officials of both the league and San Beda College Monday announced the holding of a joint press conference at 11 a.m. Tuesday at the ABS-CBN offices at the ELJ Tower in Quezon City.

Both parties refused to reveal the reason for the presscon but all things point to an amicable settlement, especially after a back-door meeting among top officials, which was originally set last Sunday, finally took place Monday at an undisclosed venue.

Sources said the conference on Tuesday was an offshoot of that meeting among NCAA Policy Board members, league president Vicente Fabella of Jose Rizal University, San Beda College rector and president Rev. Fr. Mateo de Jesus and Mapua Institute of Technology’s Rey Veya.

“You can read between the lines,” said the source who attended the breakthrough meeting. “They even applauded after the meeting.”

Still, officials kept mum on the details of Tuesday’s conference and the status of the 20-day extension of the temporary restraining order (TRO) San Beda obtained last Friday preventing the NCAA from imposing sanction against Red Lion star Yousif Aljamal.

San Beda was granted a 72-hour TRO on Wednesday following a decision by the league’s management committee (Mancom) to suspend Aljamal for joining the Philippine Basketball Association draft without officially informing the NCAA.

Fr. De Jesus announced last Saturday that they have secured a 20-day extension of the TRO. It was reported that the NCAA had filed a motion to dismiss the extension at the same time, but it was apparently denied.

The Mancom had originally recommended to the Policy Board a ban on Aljamal for the rest of the season. But before the Policy Board could act, San Beda obtained the TRO.

There were reports that the suspension would be cut to just the remaining games of the eliminations, thus paving the way for the 6-foot-4 power forward’s playing in the Final Four.

But San Beda announced it won’t accept even a single-game suspension, saying that Aljamal didn’t violate any rules in the league’s by-laws and constitution.

The school maintained that joining the pro league draft and the rookie camp are not covered by the provision invoked by the league in suspending Aljamal.

LION
08-28-2007, 07:38 AM
Buti sana kung 2 ang birth certificate na Aljamal, e hindi naman. ;D

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 09:07 AM
Permission: ang galm ko kung da-drop ka ng subject kailangan ng papeles para at least ma-inform formally ang prof mo, di pwedeng ipasabi mo sa best friend ng seatmate ng cousin mo sa prof na hindi ka na papasok sa klase nya. iyon siguro ang point ng mancom, ang problema naman, bakit for the rest of the season ang suspension? ang worst na nilang punishment kay aljamal ay warning. suspension is too harsh.

then again PBA is a pro league and the ncaa subscribes to the oath of amateurism.

jiggerman04
08-28-2007, 09:12 AM
Sinabi na pala lahat ni Quinito Henson ang dapat malaman ng mga tao regarding sa mga pinag gagawa ng MANCOM... i cut and paste nalang natin sinabi nya para hindi na nakakapagod mag explain sa mga mahirap umitindi..

razor
08-28-2007, 09:33 AM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20070828spo1.html



NCAA, San Beda end squabble

By Julius Manicad

08/28/2007

xxx

A top level source also revealed Fabella may announce a lighter sanction on Aljamal but San Beda wants its player cleared, claiming it was not his fault if he did not inform the league of his participation in the PBA rookie draft.

“A PBA official was in charge of informing the various leagues of their players’ participation in the draft. But problems that beset the PBA have overtaken events and Aljamal was an unwilling victim. It was not his fault and he should not be sanctioned,” the Tribune source said.



The NCAA MANCOM found their scapegoat? Will this be their graceful exit from the controversy?

mighty_lion
08-28-2007, 09:55 AM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20070828spo1.html



NCAA, San Beda end squabble

By Julius Manicad

08/28/2007

xxx

A top level source also revealed Fabella may announce a lighter sanction on Aljamal but San Beda wants its player cleared, claiming it was not his fault if he did not inform the league of his participation in the PBA rookie draft.

“A PBA official was in charge of informing the various leagues of their players’ participation in the draft. But problems that beset the PBA have overtaken events and Aljamal was an unwilling victim. It was not his fault and he should not be sanctioned,” the Tribune source said.



The NCAA MANCOM found their scapegoat? Will this be their graceful exit from the controversy?


No matter how they will use that as an argument, still... the resoan behind discrepancy between the date of suspension letter and date the memo was handed out to San Beda was not answered.. We bedans including the public and other spectators deserves a good explanation on this matter. Unless they can give us good reason and basis explaining that discrepancy, the integrity of NCAA is still at stake. Someone has to swallow his/her own saliva here to clear this matter.

redlion
08-28-2007, 10:47 AM
mga kapatid si redlion2001 po ito...

since down po ang bahay natin, dito muna ako magpopost ng updates po...

katatapos lang po ng hearing ngayon and mancomm offered an amicable settlement to San Beda and Yousif Aljamal.

Judge Cruz gave mancomm until September 3 to present their position paper.

Details came from my brother, ompong, Bedan batch 88GS, 92HS, 96CAS

oca
08-28-2007, 11:03 AM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20070828spo1.html



NCAA, San Beda end squabble

By Julius Manicad

08/28/2007

xxx

A top level source also revealed Fabella may announce a lighter sanction on Aljamal but San Beda wants its player cleared, claiming it was not his fault if he did not inform the league of his participation in the PBA rookie draft.

“A PBA official was in charge of informing the various leagues of their players’ participation in the draft. But problems that beset the PBA have overtaken events and Aljamal was an unwilling victim. It was not his fault and he should not be sanctioned,” the Tribune source said.



The NCAA MANCOM found their scapegoat? Will this be their graceful exit from the controversy?


Para sa isang miron, sige, okay na yang palusot na yan. Matapos lang. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

christian
08-28-2007, 11:12 AM
Thanks sir Redlion!

Nice article Mr. Henson :) pero may DLSU pa rin sa dulo... hehehe!

Insert Quote
Quote from: Howard the Duck on August 27, 2007, 08:44:45 PM
Now if there's no rule, and the policy board suspended aljamal for 3 games (from mancom's rest of the season), then why can't just san beda just let the 3 games pass? after all, aljamal clearly didn't ask for permission.

Hahaha sir Howard, it's like saying may rule nga na na-violate si Yousif, kaya ok lang ma-suspend for 3 days, and* after all the Red Lions are already assured of a semis berth - Kung ganun pala, dapat simula pa lang ng season hindi na pinaglaro si Yousif, anyway sabi naman ng mga coaches San Beda is still the team to beat, the number 1 slot is theirs, and the number 2 spot is up for grabs :)

Wala ngang rule na na-violate sir Howard* ;D

redz16
08-28-2007, 11:28 AM
mga kapatid si redlion2001 po ito...

since down po ang bahay natin, dito muna ako magpopost ng updates po...

katatapos lang po ng hearing ngayon and mancomm offered an amicable settlement to San Beda and Yousif Aljamal.

Judge Cruz gave mancomm until September 3 to present their position paper.

Details came from my brother, ompong, Bedan batch 88GS, 92HS, 96CAS


Sana ang position paper ng Mancom ay "No suspension for Aljamal" at hindi kabaklaan na 1 game suspension. No such rule means no suspension at all.
Mancom huwag ninyo din kalimutan na bayaran mga Bedan Lawyers namin from ACCRA ha!!! :D :D

razor
08-28-2007, 12:09 PM
Any word from the news conference supposedly set at 11am this morning?

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 12:39 PM
Thanks sir Redlion!

Nice article Mr. Henson :) pero may DLSU pa rin sa dulo... hehehe!

Insert Quote
Quote from: Howard the Duck on August 27, 2007, 08:44:45 PM
Now if there's no rule, and the policy board suspended aljamal for 3 games (from mancom's rest of the season), then why can't just san beda just let the 3 games pass? after all, aljamal clearly didn't ask for permission.

Hahaha sir Howard, it's like saying may rule nga na na-violate si Yousif, kaya ok lang ma-suspend for 3 days, and after all the Red Lions are already assured of a semis berth - Kung ganun pala, dapat simula pa lang ng season hindi na pinaglaro si Yousif, anyway sabi naman ng mga coaches San Beda is still the team to beat, the number 1 slot is theirs, and the number 2 spot is up for grabs :)

Wala ngang rule na na-violate sir Howard ;D


sure wala ngang rule, pero dapat naman siguro nagpaalam nga naman si aljamal di ba? (refer to my dropping of subjects example above)

Kid Cubao
08-28-2007, 12:58 PM
^^ kelangan pa ba magpaalam si yousif samantalang nung isang taon pa yan nagsasabi sa mga interbyu na sasali sya sa 2007 PBA draft? ang kulit mo rin talaga, para kang uhuging batang di makaintindi.

Red Vanquish
08-28-2007, 02:24 PM
Any word from the news conference supposedly set at 11am this morning?


It appears from the conference today that as an act of goodwill, San Beda offered that Aljamal will not play tomorrow against Perpetual and on Friday against Letran, as it has prepared to play without Aljamal. San Beda will also withrdaw the case it filed against the NCAA.

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 02:27 PM
^^ kelangan pa ba magpaalam si yousif samantalang nung isang taon pa yan nagsasabi sa mga interbyu na sasali sya sa 2007 PBA draft? ang kulit mo rin talaga, para kang uhuging batang di makaintindi.
kung sinabi mo sa prof na drop ka na, pero kung walang papeles, wala rin. di ka drop, bagsak ka pa. singko ;D

as for the goodwill gesture, sobrang goodwill naman yan, paano yan, wala si aljamal sa "rivalry game"?

MonL
08-28-2007, 02:30 PM
^^ kelangan pa ba magpaalam si yousif samantalang nung isang taon pa yan nagsasabi sa mga interbyu na sasali sya sa 2007 PBA draft? ang kulit mo rin talaga, para kang uhuging batang di makaintindi.
kung sinabi mo sa prof na drop ka na, pero kung walang papeles, wala rin. di ka drop, bagsak ka pa. singko ;D

as for the goodwill gesture, sobrang goodwill naman yan, paano yan, wala si aljamal sa "rivalry game"?


There's still the Finals, Howard.

Mang_Roger
08-28-2007, 02:41 PM
As I have repeatedly said before:

ONLY A MORON WOULD AGREE TO BE PENALIZED BASED ON A NON-EXISTING RULE.

danny
08-28-2007, 02:45 PM
Permission: ang galm ko kung da-drop ka ng subject kailangan ng papeles para at least ma-inform formally ang prof mo, di pwedeng ipasabi mo sa best friend ng seatmate ng cousin mo sa prof na hindi ka na papasok sa klase nya. iyon siguro ang point ng mancom, ang problema naman, bakit for the rest of the season ang suspension? ang worst na nilang punishment kay aljamal ay warning. suspension is too harsh.

then again PBA is a pro league and the ncaa subscribes to the oath of amateurism.


According the PBA, it was suppose to be their job to inform the NCAA. Kahit saang anggulo mo tingnan, malinis ang San Beda. Ewan natin sa iba diyan. ;) ;D

danny
08-28-2007, 02:47 PM
As I have repeatedly said before:

ONLY A MORON WOULD AGREE TO BE PENALIZED BASED ON A NON-EXISTING RULE.


Not according to Howard the Duck. :D

danny
08-28-2007, 02:47 PM
^^ kelangan pa ba magpaalam si yousif samantalang nung isang taon pa yan nagsasabi sa mga interbyu na sasali sya sa 2007 PBA draft? ang kulit mo rin talaga, para kang uhuging batang di makaintindi.


Napansin niyo din ba? ;)

Ibang klase din ano. :D

bedista_ako
08-28-2007, 02:54 PM
As I have repeatedly said before:

ONLY A MORON WOULD AGREE TO BE PENALIZED BASED ON A NON-EXISTING RULE.


Not according to Howard the Duck. :D


Agree

magnum_motoki
08-28-2007, 02:55 PM
so ano na po mga sirs?

What's the real score....any video of the press con?

bluetruck
08-28-2007, 03:03 PM
could this not be a diversionary tactic by the ncaa mancom and atayde so that people will forget about the game fixing scam involving csb and lasalle brothers' very own ORBETA? gusto yata nila makalimutan yung issue na yun.* *instead they want us* to focus on a NON ISSUE!

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 03:29 PM
^^ kelangan pa ba magpaalam si yousif samantalang nung isang taon pa yan nagsasabi sa mga interbyu na sasali sya sa 2007 PBA draft? ang kulit mo rin talaga, para kang uhuging batang di makaintindi.
kung sinabi mo sa prof na drop ka na, pero kung walang papeles, wala rin. di ka drop, bagsak ka pa. singko ;D

as for the goodwill gesture, sobrang goodwill naman yan, paano yan, wala si aljamal sa "rivalry game"?


There's still the Finals, Howard.
pwede pa ba si aljamal sa semis?





As I have repeatedly said before:

ONLY A MORON WOULD AGREE TO BE PENALIZED BASED ON A NON-EXISTING RULE.


Not according to Howard the Duck. :D
naman, naman. common sense na lang di ba, kung magpapaalam ka na, magpaalam ng maayos

common sense > rule
common sense = not common ;D

with that said, PBA daw ang may sala. interesting at si aljamal lang nadale ;D

christian
08-28-2007, 03:31 PM
Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito? >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 03:36 PM
Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito? >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.

mighty_lion
08-28-2007, 03:40 PM
Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito?* >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game* ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Agree ako dun sa unang dalawang sentence. Dun sa pang-huli medyo malabo at nasagot na namin yan.

danny
08-28-2007, 03:40 PM
Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito?* >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game* ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Eto naman pala ang problema ni Howard sa San Beda. Ang lakas ng dating sa media ano? TRO pa lang yan. *:D

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 03:43 PM
Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito? >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Agree ako dun sa unang dalawang sentence. Dun sa pang-huli medyo malabo at nasagot na namin yan.







Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito? >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Eto naman pala ang problema ni Howard sa San Beda. Ang lakas ng dating sa media ano? TRO pa lang yan. :D




ano bang tawag sa korte? di ba pinalaki?
hindi sana mangyayari ito kung hindi dahil kay montinola, ah este supan ;D

kay simpleng bagay, di nagawan ng paraan. anu ba yan ;D

danny
08-28-2007, 03:46 PM
TRO pa lang yan.*Nanggagalaiti na si Howard sa San Beda. ;D

mighty_lion
08-28-2007, 03:49 PM
Howard hindi ka nag-iisa.. But I think this one is closed already.

http://www.inboundpass.com/2007/08/26/childish-bedans-lost-man-com/#comment-1052

thebedanculture
08-28-2007, 03:51 PM
Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito?* >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game* ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Hindi po pinalaki. Kung mas maaga lang ang suspension letter, malamang nakapag-appeal sa NCAA. Pero dahil sa timing nung suspension, walang ibang recourse kundi sa courts.

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 03:54 PM
TRO pa lang yan. Nangagagalaiti na si Howard sa San Beda. ;D

ano ba... wala naman akong paki sa beda ;D

kung may mas nakaasar sa mga nangyari, sina supan at atayde yun ;D

stop the trolling nah :P



Howard hindi ka nag-iisa..

http://www.inboundpass.com/2007/08/26/childish-bedans-lost-man-com/#comment-1052



enjoy ang comments doon, yung pro-sbc ad hominem na :D





Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito? >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Hindi po pinalaki. Kung mas maaga lang ang suspension letter, malamang nakapag-appeal sa NCAA. Pero dahil sa timing nung suspension, walang ibang recourse kundi sa courts.

It doesn't matter. pwedeng daanan sa loob ng board yan. kahit emergency board meeting.

ganoon ba kadesperado manalo ang sbc? granted aljamal is a key player but he is just one player. they could've just rallied against their suspended teammate and won the game. that'll be sweeter.

danny
08-28-2007, 03:57 PM
Si Howard talaga. Walang kasawa sawa.* ;D

Ngayon naman may anggulong "desperadong manalo ang San Beda". :D

redz16
08-28-2007, 04:00 PM
Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito?* >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game* ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Agree ako dun sa unang dalawang sentence. Dun sa pang-huli medyo malabo at nasagot na namin yan.







Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito?* >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game* ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Eto naman pala ang problema ni Howard sa San Beda. Ang lakas ng dating sa media ano? TRO pa lang yan.* :D




ano bang tawag sa korte? di ba pinalaki?
hindi sana mangyayari ito kung hindi dahil kay montinola, ah este supan ;D

kay simpleng bagay, di nagawan ng paraan. anu ba yan ;D


Magaling ka pala Sir! Para sayo simple lang na suspindihin ka for the rest of the season without basis at all. RTC pa lang yan bro at kung sa Supreme Court kami tumakbo, pwede mo sabihin na pinalaki. * *

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 04:04 PM
Magaling ka pala Sir! Para sayo simple lang na suspindihin ka for the rest of the season without basis at all. RTC pa lang yan bro at kung sa Supreme Court kami tumakbo, pwede mo sabihin na pinalaki.

1. di ko ngang sinabing suspendihin for the rest of the season, kahit suspension nga di ko na inidorse kahit slap on the wrist pwede na :P
2. pinalaki pa rin yan. between the NCAA and mancom lang yan naman, kung sumali na ang ibang partido (like the courts, kahit RTC pa yan), pinalaki na yun.

note: removed very long quotes

danny
08-28-2007, 04:10 PM
Magaling ka pala Sir! Para sayo simple lang na suspindihin ka for the rest of the season without basis at all. RTC pa lang yan bro at kung sa Supreme Court kami tumakbo, pwede mo sabihin na pinalaki.* *

1. di ko ngang sinabing suspendihin for the rest of the season, kahit suspension nga di ko na inidorse kahit slap on the wrist pwede na :P
2. pinalaki pa rin yan. between the NCAA and mancom lang yan naman, kung sumali na ang ibang partido (like the courts, kahit RTC pa yan), pinalaki na yun.

note: removed very long quotes


Sabi mo. E di approve.

San Beda kasi kaya lumaki. Yung TRO ng Letran noong 2004 hindi masyadong napansin ano? :D

Howard, huli ka na. Tumiklop na NCAA. Natakot. :P

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 04:13 PM
Magaling ka pala Sir! Para sayo simple lang na suspindihin ka for the rest of the season without basis at all. RTC pa lang yan bro at kung sa Supreme Court kami tumakbo, pwede mo sabihin na pinalaki.

1. di ko ngang sinabing suspendihin for the rest of the season, kahit suspension nga di ko na inidorse kahit slap on the wrist pwede na :P
2. pinalaki pa rin yan. between the NCAA and mancom lang yan naman, kung sumali na ang ibang partido (like the courts, kahit RTC pa yan), pinalaki na yun.

note: removed very long quotes


Sabi mo. E di approve.

San Beda kasi kaya lumaki. Yung TRO ng Letran noong 2004 hindi masyadong napansin ano? :D

Howard, huli ka na. Tumiklop na NCAA. Natakot. :P


may gameface na ba noon? :D

Yun ba yung nangdura si enrile? enjoy yun bwahaha

tumiklop din kaya ang beda... er sbc (baka magpakita nanaman yung SIMBA-SCAR) :D

danny
08-28-2007, 04:17 PM
Howard, walang pumansing media noong 2004.

I think you have said your piece. Now move on. ;)

thebedanculture
08-28-2007, 04:17 PM
TRO pa lang yan. Nangagagalaiti na si Howard sa San Beda. ;D

ano ba... wala naman akong paki sa beda ;D

kung may mas nakaasar sa mga nangyari, sina supan at atayde yun ;D

stop the trolling nah :P



Howard hindi ka nag-iisa..

http://www.inboundpass.com/2007/08/26/childish-bedans-lost-man-com/#comment-1052



enjoy ang comments doon, yung pro-sbc ad hominem na :D





Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito?* >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game* ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Hindi po pinalaki.* Kung mas maaga lang ang suspension letter, malamang nakapag-appeal sa NCAA.* *Pero dahil sa timing nung suspension, walang ibang recourse kundi sa courts.

It doesn't matter. pwedeng daanan sa loob ng board yan. kahit emergency board meeting.

ganoon ba kadesperado manalo ang sbc? granted aljamal is a key player but he is just one player. they could've just rallied against their suspended teammate and won the game. that'll be sweeter.


Let's be objective. *San Beda feels that we are already being ganged upon by the powers that be (and mind you, all pieces of evidence do not point otherwise). *Knowing the rules and the law, SBC finds no other way to resolve the issue but through the proper authorities. * Thus, the application for the TRO.

Assuming without conceding that "it would be sweeter to win without Aljamal" (as you argue), SBC would be committing a cardinal sin of omission by just letting injustice be done before our very faces. *No, we will not allow that. *For this is a clarion's call. (If you know what I mean)

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 04:21 PM
TRO pa lang yan. Nangagagalaiti na si Howard sa San Beda. ;D

ano ba... wala naman akong paki sa beda ;D

kung may mas nakaasar sa mga nangyari, sina supan at atayde yun ;D

stop the trolling nah :P



Howard hindi ka nag-iisa..

http://www.inboundpass.com/2007/08/26/childish-bedans-lost-man-com/#comment-1052



enjoy ang comments doon, yung pro-sbc ad hominem na :D





Ibig bang sabihin nagbigay na ang San Beda sa issue na ito? >:(

Sir Howard, ano ba talaga? Gusto mo may sanction si Yousif dahil hindi nagpaalam, ngayon naman hinahanap mo sya sa rivalry game ??? Ano ba talaga, please make up your mind.
ang gusto kong mangyari, may sanction pero hindi suspension... parang pinagsabihan.

ang mali naman sa mancomm napaka-unreasonable nila. ang sbc naman, pinalaki nila.


Hindi po pinalaki. Kung mas maaga lang ang suspension letter, malamang nakapag-appeal sa NCAA. Pero dahil sa timing nung suspension, walang ibang recourse kundi sa courts.

It doesn't matter. pwedeng daanan sa loob ng board yan. kahit emergency board meeting.

ganoon ba kadesperado manalo ang sbc? granted aljamal is a key player but he is just one player. they could've just rallied against their suspended teammate and won the game. that'll be sweeter.


Let's be objective. San Beda feels that we are already being ganged upon by the powers that be (and mind you, all pieces of evidence do not point otherwise). Knowing the rules and the law, SBC finds no other way to resolve the issue but through the proper authorities. Thus, the application for the TRO.

Assuming without conceding that "it would be sweeter to win without Aljamal" (as you argue), SBC would be committing a cardinal sin of omission by just letting injustice be done before our very faces. No, we will not allow that. For this is a clarion's call. (If you know what I mean)

Nah, what's sweeter is winning without aljamal then finding out that you were right all along. supan should've hidden under the sheets if that happened




Howard, walang pumansing media noong 2004.

I think you have said your piece. Now move on. ;)

i remember PDI reporter jasmine payo interviewing enrile for a whole page of the sports section; if that's not "pumansing media" then di ko alam kung ano ang "pinalaki." :D

danny
08-28-2007, 04:23 PM
Guys, Howard the Duck is *saying that the NCAA should have resolved the issue internally.

ManCom made the wrong decision in suspending Aljamal several days before the draft ( :D) and San Beda made the wrong move when it went to the court.*That's Howard's opinion and nobody can change that.

Now, what's the latest?

danny
08-28-2007, 04:24 PM
Move on Howard.

Howard the Duck
08-28-2007, 04:25 PM
Move on Howard.
sige na nga
;D

danny
08-28-2007, 04:27 PM
Move on Howard.
sige na nga
;D


Thank you.

thebedanculture
08-28-2007, 04:33 PM
Let's be objective.* San Beda feels that we are already being ganged upon by the powers that be (and mind you, all pieces of evidence do not point otherwise).* Knowing the rules and the law, SBC finds no other way to resolve the issue but through the proper authorities.* *Thus, the application for the TRO.

Assuming without conceding that "it would be sweeter to win without Aljamal" (as you argue), SBC would be committing a cardinal sin of omission by just letting injustice be done before our very faces.* No, we will not allow that.* For this is a clarion's call. (If you know what I mean)

Nah, what's sweeter is winning without aljamal then finding out that you were right all along. supan should've hidden under the sheets if that happened



In that case, you do not know what I mean.* We're more concerned with justice prevailing, as we are taught in SBC.

Nice discussing with you.

danny
08-28-2007, 04:37 PM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20070828spo1.html



NCAA, San Beda end squabble

By Julius Manicad

08/28/2007

xxx

A top level source also revealed Fabella may announce a lighter sanction on Aljamal but San Beda wants its player cleared, claiming it was not his fault if he did not inform the league of his participation in the PBA rookie draft.

“A PBA official was in charge of informing the various leagues of their players’ participation in the draft. But problems that beset the PBA have overtaken events and Aljamal was an unwilling victim. It was not his fault and he should not be sanctioned,” the Tribune source said.



The NCAA MANCOM found their scapegoat? Will this be their graceful exit from the controversy?


;D A good enough exit strategy. I'm sure the suggestion did not come from Henry Atayde nor from Mr. Supan. :D

danny
08-28-2007, 04:39 PM
Any word from the news conference supposedly set at 11am this morning?


It appears from the conference today that as an act of goodwill, San Beda offered that Aljamal will not play tomorrow against Perpetual and on Friday against Letran, as it has prepared to play without Aljamal. San Beda will also withrdaw the case it filed against the NCAA.


Any press relsease yet?

thebedanculture
08-28-2007, 04:41 PM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/sports/20070828spo1.html



NCAA, San Beda end squabble

By Julius Manicad

08/28/2007

xxx

A top level source also revealed Fabella may announce a lighter sanction on Aljamal but San Beda wants its player cleared, claiming it was not his fault if he did not inform the league of his participation in the PBA rookie draft.

“A PBA official was in charge of informing the various leagues of their players’ participation in the draft. But problems that beset the PBA have overtaken events and Aljamal was an unwilling victim. It was not his fault and he should not be sanctioned,” the Tribune source said.



The NCAA MANCOM found their scapegoat? Will this be their graceful exit from the controversy?


;D A good enough exit strategy. I'm sure the suggestion did not come from Henry Atayde nor from Mr. Supan. :D


talk about face-saving... ;)

danny
08-28-2007, 04:45 PM
the ffg were the txt msg i got from albert this 3:09pm....

"Had prescon today.* We volunteered not to play Aljamal for the next two games of the elims as a sign of goodwill.* No suspension of Aljamal and he is entitled to awards.* Please attend games on Friday SBC vs Letran.* We will win even without Jamal if you (Bedan community) are there.* Wear Red again..."

let's manifest our passion and resolute the past days by attending the games tomorrow and friday.* this is the time when our mere presence will mean a lot.* attend the games and be counted.* sacrifice a vl/sl or a halfday pay for our alma mater.* no buts and excuses.* your alma mater has sounded the clarion call.


From our big brother, Stardust.

Animo San Beda!
May our fellowship never cease!

boozer
08-28-2007, 04:59 PM
Rest assured the Red Army will be there. I'll be on leave this friday.

christian
08-28-2007, 05:16 PM
Sir Stardust? Puwede ba mag file ng SL/VL kay sir Albert? ;D

To Mr. Howard the Duck: Written warning pala ang hanap mo, I see....
Mind you, si Jasmine Payo lang kay Enrile. Sa amin si Ronnie Nathanielsz, Bill Velasco, Quinito Henson (may TV pa!) and even Mr. Josef "I Apologize" Ramos (have you been visiting inboundpass? there's an article there that might need your opinion too).

And as a sign of GOODWILL, we will respect your opinion* ;)

redB
08-28-2007, 06:31 PM
courtesy of inboundpass.com

http://www.inboundpass.com/2007/08/28/podcast-ncaa-press-conference-held-at-abs-cbn-august-28-2007/

magnum_motoki
08-28-2007, 06:59 PM
What now Sirs? Is that the closure we're all yearning for? Now that we decided not to play Aljamal for the next two games as a sign of goodwill. Will the NCAA issue an apology or clarification with regards to the suspension earlier handed out against Aljamal?

Based on what I heard from the presscon audio.....The presscon is basically about Father-Rector not to play Aljamal for the next 2 games and Mr Fabella just announcing that the so called "controversy" and "this drama" is over?

They haven't answered the crucial questions at all ....the timeline presented in various forums says it all.

LION
08-28-2007, 07:07 PM
They just ignored it. The apology was for whatever bad publicity NCAA got while affirming at the same time SBC's right to seek judicial intervention.

As stated by Fr. Mat, the apology was for the benefit of the NCAA as a whole. It was done to save the league.

And as stated by the Mancom during the press conference, the voluntary decision not to play Aljamal is not considered a suspension.

That's the whole point of compromise. A compromise is not one-sided. Otherwise, it ain't a compromise.

Do we expect the NCAA to apologize in return? Directly, no. But their 180 degree turn around says it all.

KingRedLion
08-28-2007, 10:07 PM
it's good to know that this brouhaha has reached a sensible end. i agree that this is for the good of the league. much as it was a misunderstanding or a miscommunication, i stand that the compromise of withdrawing the case in court would've more than sufficed. i say play Yousif Aljamal in all the games of his remaining year - NCAA Season 83. i understand the act of goodwill that SBC is trying to make but again, let us not forget, that we are on the side of what is right, fair and is the truth....and by that principle, there should be no "compromise". not playing him may seem showing the swagger of a champion--that we know we could/will win even without the King Red Lion but now that the issue offcourt has been settled, then it all goes back to the basketball court--where the real war is. & putting a hold on your leader, arguably your best player, IMHO is too much. now it's about basketball again & the best team that all the other member schools of the NCAA can put out will be there, then it's only fair that San Beda play Yousif Aljamal & let the Red Lions and whoever the opponent be, duke it out.

just my passionate 2 cents....

Pax!

Animo San Beda!* *

U.I.O.G.D.

tigerman
08-28-2007, 10:31 PM
It feels nice when even* ancient "enemies" come out and support your school.

Thank you. You know who you are. Thank you.

"Justice for Aljamal! Justice for All! "- * *circa '80s for the oldies. ;)

------------------------------------------

Shooting itself in the foot
SPORTING CHANCE* By Joaquin M. Henson
Tuesday, August 28, 2007

There is a clear failure to communicate within the NCAA hierarchy in the case involving San Beda College star Yousif Aljamal, last year’s Finals MVP.

Instead of closing ranks in the wake of a scandalous point-shaving scheme uncovered by police authorities, the NCAA has chosen to shoot itself in the foot by trying to gun down one of its role models.

Last Tuesday, the NCAA Management Committee issued a memorandum suspending Aljamal the day before the Red Lions were to face Jose Rizal University. Curiously, the memorandum was dated two weeks earlier.

The delayed issuance gave San Beda officials no time to appeal the decision before the Committee, forcing a move to go to the courts for a stay. On the day of the game, Judge Reynaldo Ros of Branch 33 of the Manila Regional Trial Court authorized a 72-hour temporary restraining order to allow Aljamal to suit up.

Showing no demoralization despite the attempt to barnacle him, Aljamal fired 23 points to power San Beda to an 82-74 win over the Heavy Bombers. The game, however, was marred by a series of flagrant fouls, temper blow-ups and a near fistfight involving the opposing coaches. Surely, the attempt to shackle Aljamal had a lot to do with turning the game into a powder-keg situation. The Committee can only be blamed for that volcanic eruption.

San Beda officials later secured a 20-day extension of the TRO, putting the NCAA in an embarrassing bind.

The sordid affair could’ve been prevented if only the Committee discussed the matter transparently with the intention of finding a positive solution to a prospective problem. From the looks of things, the hatchet job was a conspiracy to gang up on the league’s No. 1 team.

It’s never a good policy to question the administration or authority of a sports league in the courts. The spirit of sportsmanship is lost when an athlete seeks redress beyond the confines of his sport for an apparent injustice that is sports-related. But what is an athlete to do if he is unfairly treated by those who control his sport?

The Committee swooped down on Aljamal for participating in a three-day PBA rookie camp preparatory to the pro draft. The Committee said Aljamal never sought permission to play in the camp and slapped the suspension because of the apparent snub.

The Committee initially barred Aljamal from playing for the rest of the season but the NCAA Policy Board was more tolerant, deciding to freeze him only up to the end of the eliminations.

If Aljamal was really guilty of violating a league rule, why did the Policy Board relax the penalty earlier imposed by the Committee? What prompted the Committee to suspend Aljamal in the first place? A snub? An oversight? Where is the consistency of decision-making in the NCAA leadership?

Aljamal’s application for the PBA draft was well-known and publicized for weeks before the Committee issued the suspension. If all the Committee wanted was for Aljamal to seek permission, why didn’t it inform San Beda beforehand? Why was the memorandum dated Aug. 8 or 11 days before the draft? Was there a plot to disenfranchise Aljamal from the start?

San Beda officials claim no permission was needed for Aljamal to participate in the rookie camp because it wasn’t a tournament. Surely, if the NCAA’s rules were clear, there would be no misinterpretation. And since the rules were obviously unclear, shouldn’t there have been prior consultation or discussion before issuing a decision based on a hazy premise?

It’s as if the NCAA had no more serious problems to tackle. The point-shaving scandal certainly put to doubt the integrity of the season and rather than clean up its act, the NCAA chose to disbar one of its star players in a move that smacks of bad faith and poor sportsmanship. What message is the NCAA delivering to the students of the schools that make up the league?

Then, there was talk that the season might be scrapped as a way for the Committee to express its displeasure on the court’s invasion of its turf. Fortunately, the talk proved to be a baseless rumor. It wouldn’t have just been shooting itself in the foot but the Committee would’ve shot itself in the head if it decided to scrap the season.

Clamping down on a powerhouse school is nothing new. In the UAAP, La Salle was slapped a one-year suspension in all sports after it voluntarily informed the league of eligibility violations in its senior basketball program. The violations involved two relatively inconsequential players and in a show of sincerity, La Salle offered to surrender the championship trophy the Archers won with the ineligible cagers in the lineup.

Instead of using La Salle as an example, the UAAP chose to suspend the school not just in basketball but in all other sports. Even the high school athletes weren’t spared. Athletes who had nothing to do with the eligibility issue were penalized unfairly. The decision wasn’t only severe but abusive and apparently, spiteful.

If other schools were to uncover similar violations in the future, none would ever come out in the open to volunteer the information because of the risk of being chastised for honesty.

The UAAP and NCAA are supposed to be bastions of sportsmanship. School officials are expected to lead by example. But from recent developments, neither league has reason to be proud. Politics, partisanship and crab mentality are so prevalent in shaping decisions that are so uncharacteristic of Christian educators who make up the leadership in the school leagues.

http://philstar.com/index.php?Sports&p=49&type=2&sec=30&aid=20070827166


Mods, sorry for being off-topic but I just can't help it.

Isn't it that the UAAP rules states that you can't participate in the other events if you don't have a team for basketball (and I think volleyball too.)? Since the UAAP board decided to suspend DLSU last season (with the basketball as the main target), there was no choice but also to include all the sports/events DLSU was participating in.

I'll be glad for somebody to correct me If I'm wrong.

Sorry again.

Anyway, back to the topic.
A happy ending now for the whole league and college basketball in general? I certainly hope so.




USTE LO MEJOR!
VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

danny
08-29-2007, 12:37 AM
They just ignored it.* The apology was for whatever bad publicity NCAA got while affirming at the same time SBC's right to seek judicial intervention.

As stated by Fr. Mat, the apology was for the benefit of the NCAA as a whole.* It was done to save the league.

And as stated by the Mancom during the press conference, the voluntary decision not to play Aljamal is not considered* a* suspension.* *

That's the whole point of compromise.* A compromise is not one-sided. Otherwise, it ain't a compromise.*

Do we expect the NCAA to apologize in return? Directly, no.* But their 180 degree turn around says it all.


Aye! :D

danny
08-29-2007, 12:44 AM
La Salle was punished already.

batangueño
08-29-2007, 01:19 AM
Is this really the start of peace returning in the NCAA o puro pakitang tao lang ang lahat? ???

danny
08-29-2007, 02:53 AM
Off Topic:

tigerman,

Your reaction and that of Pablohoney in the "stupid rules" thread were uncalled for. Your fellow Thomasian, Howard the Duck, has been messing with this thread* by craftily* "attacking"* San Beda.*The "desperadong manalo" angle is the last straw. This is not PEX, pare.

This caused my "inappropriate" question in the "stupid rules" thread where you accused me of trying to be cool. Dude, I am also from La Salle and I have every right to post in the UAAP thread. It just so happen that I prefer to be a* Bedan. So drop the ad hominem will you.

La Salle is not the issue around here. We all know the story.

easter
08-29-2007, 07:36 AM
I would like to commend San Beda for such an act. They were the ones wronged but they apologized in public to the NCAA. Such humility is rarely seen nowadays especially in collegiate sports.

Inisip ko safe na San Beda so pumayag na sila na di maglaro si Aljamal but seeing na makakalaban pa Letran, it could really derail their momentum on the way to the playoffs.

Salamat San Beda, may nagpapakita pa rin pala ng pagpapakumbaba sa larangan ng Collegiate basketball dito!

Ito ang dapat tularan ng mga kabataan. 8)

LION
08-29-2007, 07:59 AM
Off Topic:

tigerman,

Your reaction and that of Pablohoney in the "stupid rules" thread were uncalled for. Your fellow Thomasian, Howard the Duck, has been messing with this thread* by craftily* "attacking"* San Beda.*The "desperadong manalo" angle is the last straw.* This is not PEX, pare.

This caused* my "inappropriate" question in the "stupid rules" thread where you accused me of trying to be cool. Dude, I am also from La Salle and I have every right to post in the UAAP thread. It just so happen that I prefer to be a* Bedan. So drop the ad hominem will you.

La Salle is not the issue around here. We all know the story.


Danny,

Just ignore these attacks. Kaya pa naman natin mag pasensiya. ;)

LION
08-29-2007, 10:27 AM
I would like to commend San Beda for such an act. They were the ones wronged but they apologized in public to the NCAA. Such humility is rarely seen nowadays especially in collegiate sports.

Inisip ko safe na San Beda so pumayag na sila na di maglaro si Aljamal but seeing na makakalaban pa Letran, it could really derail their momentum on the way to the playoffs.

Salamat San Beda, may nagpapakita pa rin pala ng pagpapakumbaba sa larangan ng Collegiate basketball dito!

Ito ang dapat tularan ng mga kabataan.* 8)


Thanks Easter.

A wise man (you know who you are ;) ) explained that it is more important to show true power by having the strength, but not using it; displaying greatness by being humble; exhibiting character by being benevolent; and showing what champions are made of by not being afraid to lose a man because we still have a TEAM.

christian
08-29-2007, 10:31 AM
Very well said Sir Lion! Makes me even PROUDER that I AM A BEDAN

Mang_Roger
08-29-2007, 12:40 PM
To foster a stronger goodwill and camaraderie between Bedans and mancom members, why don't we come up with a friendly boxing/sparring match at the Red Corner. Papawis lang at healthy pa.

Sino may gusto ka sparring si Supan at Henry "basketball game" Atayde?

davrub2003
08-29-2007, 12:49 PM
this is the silliest outcome to what was supposed to be a fight for what is right.

even though things were settled amicably, principles were still compromised.* there's nothing noble in that.

bedans should call themselves red kittens rather than red lions from now on.

Mang_Roger
08-29-2007, 01:42 PM
this is the silliest outcome to what was supposed to be a fight for what is right.

even though things were settled amicably, principles were still compromised.* there's nothing noble in that.

bedans should call themselves red kittens rather than red lions from now on.


Ok suggestion mo. Tama, nadale mo! Red Kittens. Any more suggestions?

Fellow Bedans, let's give the floor to davrub, a visitor from PEX. We will learn something cerebral from this fellow.

LION
08-29-2007, 02:16 PM
When the enemy is cornered and you have the power to destroy him or end his life, but instead of delivering the coup de grace you extend your helping hand and save his life, did you compromise your principles?

Those who don't practice benevolence will not experience it. Their enemies will coldy snuff out the life in them.

Last week we were the "bullies". Now we are just kittens. ;D

oca
08-29-2007, 02:20 PM
this is the silliest outcome to what was supposed to be a fight for what is right.

even though things were settled amicably, principles were still compromised.* there's nothing noble in that.

bedans should call themselves red kittens rather than red lions from now on.


Pag-aaksayahan kita ng oras habang inuubos ko itong yosi ko....

From a third party observer.

Early in this issue, I stated here that SBC should not have resorted to the courts and secured a TRO. I still believe it was wrong. Fact was the Board downgraded the "season suspension" to a "3 game suspension" even without a formal appeal by SBC. If an appeal was formally made, who knows what could have happened.

Of course, it was sinister for the host to serve the suspension on the eve of the SBC-JRU game. Seemingly, gipit na sa oras ang SBC to go through an appeals process. To do so would have benefited JRU as Aljamal would have sat that game, at yun di papayagan ng mga Bedista, yung maisahan sila sa ganoong paraan.

The "suspension" came about on the manuevering of JRU's rep to the ManCom. The TRO allowed Aljamal to play in that JRU game, which means the Bombers didn't benefit from it. Yes, Aljamal will not be playing in the remaining games, yet is not suspended and still be eligible to receive end of season awards.

Ano ang nawala sa SBC o kay Aljamal?

Ano ang pakinabang ng JRU from their manueverings?

San Beda apologized for inconvenienced cause and the negative publicity the TRO generated. But they didn't apologize per se for securing that TRO. At yun ang isa sa punto nila about the that TRO-- na hindi iyun mali given the circumstances.

Publicly, may inamin bang pagkakamali ang SBC?

The non-apology in securing the TRO, to me means nasa lugar sila at kung may naperwisyo, sorry na lang.

Pero ang ManCom, nasaan ang suspension order?

Ang Board naman, they didn't categorically say they have reversed or completely overruled that suspension order. Ano ang ginawa nila? To use a term used by LION, they "ignored".

SBC fought a suspension order it deemed malicious and sinister.

That suspension order is now in the dustbin.

Para hindi naman mapahiya ang NCAA, SBC volunteered to not to play Aljamal in the remaining elimination games.

Ano ba ang bearing ng remaining games na yan?

As you can see, SBC got what it wanted - mabasura ang suspension- *and offered to do something that will not affect them adversely.

Meooooow.

Mang_Roger
08-29-2007, 03:38 PM
this is the silliest outcome to what was supposed to be a fight for what is right.

even though things were settled amicably, principles were still compromised.* there's nothing noble in that.

bedans should call themselves red kittens rather than red lions from now on.


Pag-aaksayahan kita ng oras habang inuubos ko itong yosi ko....

From a third party observer.

Early in this issue, I stated here that SBC should not have resorted to the courts and secured a TRO. I still believe it was wrong. Fact was the Board downgraded the "season suspension" to a "3 game suspension" even without a formal appeal by SBC. If an appeal was formally made, who knows what could have happened.

Of course, it was sinister for the host to serve the suspension on the eve of the SBC-JRU game. Seemingly, gipit na sa oras ang SBC to go through an appeals process. To do so would have benefited JRU as Aljamal would have sat that game, at yun di papayagan ng mga Bedista, yung maisahan sila sa ganoong paraan.

The "suspension" came about on the manuevering of JRU's rep to the ManCom. The TRO allowed Aljamal to play in that JRU game, which means the Bombers didn't benefit from it. Yes, Aljamal will not be playing in the remaining games, yet is not suspended and still be eligible to receive end of season awards.

Ano ang nawala sa SBC o kay Aljamal?

Ano ang pakinabang ng JRU from their manueverings?

San Beda apologized for inconvenienced cause and the negative publicity the TRO generated. But they didn't apologize per se for securing that TRO. At yun ang isa sa punto nila about the that TRO-- na hindi iyun mali given the circumstances.

Publicly, may inamin bang pagkakamali ang SBC?

The non-apology in securing the TRO, to me means nasa lugar sila at kung may naperwisyo, sorry na lang.

Pero ang ManCom, nasaan ang suspension order?

Ang Board naman, they didn't categorically say they have reversed or completely overruled that suspension order. Ano ang ginawa nila? To use a term used by LION, they "ignored".

SBC fought a suspension order it deemed malicious and sinister.

That suspension order is now in the dustbin.

Para hindi naman mapahiya ang NCAA, SBC volunteered to not to play Aljamal in the remaining elimination games.

Ano ba ang bearing ng remaining games na yan?

As you can see, SBC got what it wanted - mabasura ang suspension- *and offered to do something that will not affect them adversely.

Meooooow.



http://i13.tinypic.com/4q4yzwm.jpg

MEOOOOOOOWWW* to that too!

lekiboy
08-29-2007, 08:11 PM
ang dami ng oras sinayang nyo... :):)

oca, next time tawagin mo kami pag magyoyosi ka... :)

toti_mendiola
08-29-2007, 10:12 PM
Ano bang brand ng yosi mo oca ng makahingi naman ng yosi.

danny
08-30-2007, 02:35 AM
When the enemy is cornered and you have the power to destroy him or end his life, but instead of delivering the coup de grace you extend your helping hand and save his life, did you compromise your principles?*

Those who don't practice benevolence will not experience it. Their enemies will coldy snuff out the life in them.*

Last week we were the "bullies".* Now we are just kittens.* * ;D


:)

Close the curtain. Prrrrrrrrrr...........

oca
08-30-2007, 09:07 AM
ang dami ng oras sinayang nyo... :):)

oca, next time tawagin mo kami pag magyoyosi ka... :)


Kakasindi lang kasi... ;)

oca
08-30-2007, 09:08 AM
Ano bang brand ng yosi mo oca ng makahingi naman ng yosi.


Old timers....BATAANG MATAMIS! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

christian
08-30-2007, 04:12 PM
Whoooaaa! Red Pussycats pa nga ang tawag sa team natin nung losing seasons natin eh (mga officemates ko... now they bow to me everytime i passby... i wonder why?) hehehe Meeooowww!

Kid Cubao
08-30-2007, 08:44 PM
langya ka oca, naalala kong bigla si ngongo sa manaang manamis mo ;D