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bigfreeze_bibby
07-23-2007, 08:55 AM
Here comes the big game on Thursday. Coming from a tough loss aganst UE yesterday, would you think that this will benefit us more coming on this game? Ateneo is high spirits after winning against a tough NU team last Saturday and to think that they only lost to UE by 3 points.

Will the frontline of the Blue Eagles fly high on our counterparts? We all know what they can do (referring to Arao, Jobe, Baclao, and Laterre). How about on the guard match ups? Ty, JV, and Cholo are more experienced but Salamat, Tiu, and Monfort are no pushovers as they have showed that they can match up with the other top guards in the league and they are also best in their own class.

I am expecting another close, good showcase this Thursday.

shyboy
07-23-2007, 11:30 AM
The fact that the past few years we've been overpowering Ateneo even when they had the likes of Tenorio, Intal, Bugia, Kramer, I'm optimistic we can pull it off on Thursday. Though we lost Cardona, Yeo and Gaco and Cabatu the past years, Villanueva, Casio, Tang, Mangahas, and a vastly- improved Maierhofer have taken their place. Add to that we have a slew of reliable backups like Barua, Kish, and hopefully a healthy Atkins. Ilad and Walsham will help us crash the boards against Ateneo's big men.

The frontline matchups will be Maierhofer, Walsham, Ilad, Kish Co, Mangahas vs. Arao, Al-Hussaini, Laterre, Nkemakolam, Baclao

The backcourt/wings will have TY, Casio, Villanueva, Atkins, Malabes, Barua, Cua vs. Tiu, Salamat, Monfort, Reyes, Baraccoso, Escueta.

cub
07-23-2007, 04:18 PM
like what i've posted at BEN, the archers will win by 17points. it is because yan ang average lead nila nung 2005. haha! seriously, kung titignan mo ng man to man, talo talaga ang ateneo. meron nga silang kasing laki ni rico, pero wala sila ng kasing athletic ni rico. rabeh can't guard rico. rico will just beat him off the dribble same as arao. baclao doesn't have the experience to guard someone like rico.

going to the other side, ateneo's main weapon is chris tiu. i think Cholo can handle him. Cholo is La Salle's perimenter defender. and one important key to winning this game is the bench. DLSU has a deep line up led by Casio, Barua and Ilad. while in the other side, ateneo doesn't have a reliable scorer off the bench.

ewe_rach
07-23-2007, 09:39 PM
panalo la salle dito panigurado! i'll bet my a** here! sure shot na archers!
katulad rin ng sinabi ko sa BEN: by 12 pts ang la salle!

muddatrucker
07-24-2007, 12:27 PM
So were you guys able to get decent tickets? Most of the people at BEN only got Upper B.

flsfnoeraekadad
07-24-2007, 03:55 PM
Muddatrucker: Most of La Salle also got Upper B. Not to mention Gen Ad.

But they were decent enough to sell sixty Upper A tickets. :D

freak
07-25-2007, 12:07 AM
Muddatrucker: Most of La Salle also got Upper B. Not to mention Gen Ad.

But they were decent enough to sell sixty Upper A tickets. :D


ang swerte nyo naman..

glock23
07-25-2007, 01:50 PM
Without a doubt the archers will win in double figures! i dont know why some green die hards are doubting the team after a bad loss to UE, have faith guys! Ue played well and we were in disarray, we made some adjustments during practice from what ive heard, and the boys learned their lessons. Golpe de gulat ang matitikman ng ateneo for the nth time on thursday! ;D

ANIMO LA SALLE!!!!

Sam Miguel
07-26-2007, 10:32 AM
Lasalle has been agressive ever since the summer tournaments where they showed they are still the fearsome green hoops machine they were before the suspension.

Ateneo's best chance to stay in the game is to hope the outside shooting clicks. Without a consistent perimeter offense the Lasalle zone will simply hold fast and allow Rico Maeirhofer to get his rebounds and blocks.

I'll stick with my own spread of 14-17 points for the men in green.

shadowfax
07-26-2007, 04:24 PM
ano yung pinakita na habang may nagiinterview kay coach pumaren, merong mga babae na biglang hinabol yung isang DLSU player? ang weird

Howard the Duck
07-26-2007, 08:11 PM
ano yung pinakita na habang may nagiinterview kay coach pumaren, merong mga babae na biglang hinabol yung isang DLSU player? ang weird
promo para sa axe yun

Sam Miguel
07-27-2007, 09:35 AM
Lasalle has been agressive ever since the summer tournaments where they showed they are still the fearsome green hoops machine they were before the suspension.

Ateneo's best chance to stay in the game is to hope the outside shooting clicks. Without a consistent perimeter offense the Lasalle zone will simply hold fast and allow Rico Maeirhofer to get his rebounds and blocks.

I'll stick with my own spread of 14-17 points for the men in green.


Looks like the shooters clicked after all.

Still, JV Casio made a game of it and it could've gone either way all the way to the second final buzzer. See you guys in Round 2.

bigfreeze_bibby
07-27-2007, 10:49 AM
Congratulations to Ateneo for a well deserved win yesterday. They outplayed us in the closing stages of the ballgame. We fared poorly from the charity stripe which might have helped our chances in winning the game but it seems that it is not simply our night last night. We have to shift our focus to a streaking UST team that has won 3 straight games. I just do hope that the poor form will be out with just 2 days of rest.

shyboy
07-27-2007, 01:13 PM
Congrats to Ateneo. Ibang klase pa rin kapag La Salle-Ateneo game. Moreso if it goes into overtime.

Til the next round.

Animo La Salle!!!

glock23
07-27-2007, 02:50 PM
sino ba ang nagkakalat na may protesta daw tayo with the game yesterday? i have been bombarded by taxt messages from my atenean friends asking me if we are indeed filing a protest. the funny thing is that i hear nothing from the lasalle side about it, isnt that weird? just got confirmation from bro. bernie that there is no truth that we are protesting the game. i wonder where the blues got their false news? ;D

bit_bang_boom
07-27-2007, 02:58 PM
sino ba ang nagkakalat na may protesta daw tayo with the game yesterday? i have been bombarded by taxt messages from my atenean friends asking me if we are indeed filing a protest. the funny thing is that i hear nothing from the lasalle side about it, isnt that weird? just got confirmation from bro. bernie that there is no truth that we are protesting the game. i wonder where the blues got their false news? ;D


Pasensya na pare. Mabuti na kasi na magtanong-tanong para sigurado. ;)

anghusay
07-27-2007, 03:07 PM
great win for the eagles. arao is the real deal this season. kirk long has a ton of potential. jai reyes played very well. chris tui also. maierhofer needs to develop a post up back to the basket drop step spin move. archers need to be fluid in their executions on offense and defense. bawi na lang sa 2nd round.

glock23
07-27-2007, 05:22 PM
sino ba ang nagkakalat na may protesta daw tayo with the game yesterday? i have been bombarded by taxt messages from my atenean friends asking me if we are indeed filing a protest. the funny thing is that i hear nothing from the lasalle side about it, isnt that weird? just got confirmation from bro. bernie that there is no truth that we are protesting the game. i wonder where the blues got their false news?* ;D


Pasensya na pare. Mabuti na kasi na magtanong-tanong para sigurado. ;)


glock23 - I edited your post because I felt that it was too personal.* Please be advised.* Thanks.

glock23
07-28-2007, 02:10 PM
no prob sir! i even forgot what i posted ;D

nightowl
07-28-2007, 06:16 PM
Protest filed.

The newest eagle, Long, was on the court with the oldest (almost 25, 2001 HS grad) Laterre-and both are foreigners.

Forfeit!!!

GreenArrows
07-28-2007, 09:22 PM
Since this has been discussed extensively on the Net, and to get a near frame by frame analysis, here are my vidcaps with corresponding comments.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9458/picture1zf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The game is ongoing and Long clearly has his feet on the court as he had just replaced Jai Reyes.



http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9651/picture1bxr1.png (http://imageshack.us)
This is a close up of the above vidcap which clearly shows Long's feet in the court. Note the space of wood between Long's feet and the outside edge of the court. Clearly, INSIDE THE COURT



http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5194/picture2lf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Coach Norman was insisting that he had 4 players in the court and that there is no penalty for having four players. DUH! Please count, Coach. I even marked your players with green arrows. Coach, remember you are already holding Long's arm at this point. And hey, isn't that Laterre below the top most green arrow in the picture.



http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/121/picture3ux4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
In this picture, Norman is, still holding onto Long's hand, pulling Long behind him and back to the bench.



http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4493/picture4nu5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Dutifully, Long is silently walking behind Norman to take his seat. Black acts as if there is nothing wrong even if he was the one who pulled Long back to the bench.



http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1260/picture5qk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
With Long safely back at the far end of the bench, who is this flash of blue coming out of the bench to rejoin the game without telling the referees? Dead ball na ba at this time?



http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5364/picture6td9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Oh, it's Jai Reyes coming out of the blue to help his team!!! And Norman acting as if nothing is wrong.



ENOUGH SAID

bowtoBLUE
07-29-2007, 03:22 PM
settle games on the court not in the boardroom!!! you wouldn't make a protest if you won.

Wingman
07-29-2007, 09:45 PM
settle games on the court not in the boardroom!!! you wouldn't make a protest if you won.


Hahaha! You make me laugh.

Ateneans... ang bilis ng karma.

Sige cheer against us pa ulit ha. Bwahahahaha!

How sweet it is!!!

blue007seventeen
07-29-2007, 09:58 PM
Since this has been discussed extensively on the Net, and to get a near frame by frame analysis, here are my vidcaps with corresponding comments.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9458/picture1zf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The game is ongoing and Long clearly has his feet on the court as he had just replaced Jai Reyes.



http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9651/picture1bxr1.png (http://imageshack.us)
This is a close up of the above vidcap which clearly shows Long's feet in the court.* Note the space of wood between Long's feet and the outside edge of the court.* Clearly, INSIDE THE COURT



http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5194/picture2lf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Coach Norman was insisting that he had 4 players in the court and that there is no penalty for having four players.* DUH!* Please count, Coach. I even marked your players with green arrows.* Coach, remember you are already holding Long's arm at this point.* And hey, isn't that Laterre below the top most green arrow in the picture.



http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/121/picture3ux4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
In this picture, Norman is, still holding onto Long's hand, pulling Long behind him and back to the bench.



http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4493/picture4nu5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Dutifully, Long is silently walking behind Norman to take his seat.* Black acts as if there is nothing wrong even if he was the one who pulled Long back to the bench.



http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1260/picture5qk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
With Long safely back at the far end of the bench, who is this flash of blue coming out of the bench to rejoin the game without telling the referees?* Dead ball na ba at this time?



http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5364/picture6td9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Oh, it's Jai Reyes coming out of the blue to help his team!!! And Norman acting as if nothing is wrong.



ENOUGH SAID


tanong lang po...
naglaro ba si KIRK na kasabay si ZION?ano ba yung nasa LAGO RULE?

*just asking..THANKYOU

shyboy
07-29-2007, 11:31 PM
settle games on the court not in the boardroom!!! you wouldn't make a protest if you won.


How'd you know? Even if we won, I'd still like a protest be filed and you get even just a slap on the wrist.

triplewgf
07-29-2007, 11:57 PM
*edit, misunderstood :P*

bit_bang_boom
07-30-2007, 02:28 AM
settle games on the court not in the boardroom!!! you wouldn't make a protest if you won.


How'd you know? Even if we won, I'd still like a protest be filed and you get even just a slap on the wrist.


With all due respect, I doubt that. ;D
And I sincerely am not saying that just to spite you guys. :)

But then again... we will never know. :)
(Yan baka may halong spite na. Peace tayo mga friends. ;D)

Wingman
07-30-2007, 06:49 AM
tanong lang po...
naglaro ba si KIRK na kasabay si ZION?ano ba yung nasa LAGO RULE?

*just asking..THANKYOU


Tanong lang po. Nakita mo na yung pics, diba? Bulag ka ba? O nagtatanga-tangahan?

*just asking..THANKYOU

bigfreeze_bibby
07-30-2007, 01:55 PM
Hey people easy lang sa remarks on posting. Warning na sa lahat yan. Thanks.

glock23
07-30-2007, 04:21 PM
settle games on the court not in the boardroom!!! you wouldn't make a protest if you won.


If your coaching staff was half as righteous as your womens coach who forfeited a won ballgame several years back against UP for an identical offence, there wont be a need for a lasalle protest. capisce?!

Eagle_Eyes
07-31-2007, 10:51 AM
settle games on the court not in the boardroom!!! you wouldn't make a protest if you won.


If your coaching staff was half as righteous as your womens coach who forfeited a won ballgame several years back against UP for an identical offence, there wont be a need for a lasalle protest. capisce?!


the situation then with the ladies' team and the one recently are totally different. during the lady eagles' match, the two foreigners were actually on court AND playing together. comprende?

shyboy
07-31-2007, 11:18 AM
^* Laterre and Long did play together OFFICIALLY, it's just that Long's "play" was standing near the sidelines talking to Norman Black.

Secondly, how can there be only four players officially?* Unless you heard the barker say "NOBODY for Jeffrey Long". bwahahaha

Mas malinaw na ba yan?

Eagle_Eyes
07-31-2007, 02:00 PM
^* Laterre and Long did play together OFFICIALLY, it's just that Long's "play" was standing near the sidelines talking to Norman Black.

Secondly, how can there be only four players officially?* Unless you heard the barker say "NOBODY for Jeffrey Long". bwahahaha

Mas malinaw na ba yan?




sige, tinawag ang pangalan ng subsitute. may clip ka ba na nagpakitang pumasok nga sa court si long? o nasa sideline lang siya at nung na-realize niya na hindi siya pwede pumasok eh tinawid niya yung sideline papunta kay black (kung saan nagsimula yung clip niyo). kung ganun, talagang apat lang ang players sa court.

kuha?

greencm
07-31-2007, 02:36 PM
Some people with obvious biases just can't seem to get it. Long was the fifth player regardless of where he was the moment ball was put into play. It would have been a totally different situation had he or Coach Norman protested at the table officials for the supposed miscommunication. The fact that they let precious time, however short or LONG it may be, made it official.

Anyway, the protest papers (whatever they contain) are with the UAAP Officials. Whatever they say (believe me that it's their say as they wouldn't listen to higher governing basketball bodies such as FIBA) is final...so let's all just wait for that.

shyboy
07-31-2007, 02:48 PM
^ *He's officially a member of the playing 5, regardless if he's inside the court or not. *Eh kung gusto niya mag-depensa sa labas eh, pakialam ba ng lahat.

Another sample. *After a timeout, yung naglalabas ng bola, di ba siya kasama sa official playing 5? *Kailangan ba pumasok muna siya sa court tapos lumabas para payagang mag-inbound?

Eto pa. *In some offensive plays, may mga players na imiikot sa labas ng baseline para makapunta from left-right or right-left. *Ibig sabihin ba, lima tapos nagiging apat tapos nagiging lima ulit yung naglalaro?

Medyo mahirap pero I trust you'll get it soon.

Eagle_Eyes
07-31-2007, 02:51 PM
^ *He's officially a member of the playing 5, regardless if he's inside the court or not. *Eh kung gusto niya mag-depensa sa labas eh, pakialam ba ng lahat.

Another sample. *After a timeout, yung naglalabas ng bola, di ba siya kasama sa official playing 5? *Kailangan ba pumasok muna siya sa court tapos lumabas para payagang mag-inbound?

Eto pa. *In some offensive plays, may mga players na imiikot sa labas ng baseline para makapunta from left-right or right-left. *Ibig sabihin ba, lima tapos nagiging apat tapos nagiging lima ulit yung naglalaro?


nagbibiggay ba ng technical ang mga referees "for having only 4 players on the court" sa lahat ng situation na na-bring up mo?

greencm
07-31-2007, 02:56 PM
^ *He's officially a member of the playing 5, regardless if he's inside the court or not. *Eh kung gusto niya mag-depensa sa labas eh, pakialam ba ng lahat.

Another sample. *After a timeout, yung naglalabas ng bola, di ba siya kasama sa official playing 5? *Kailangan ba pumasok muna siya sa court tapos lumabas para payagang mag-inbound?

Eto pa. *In some offensive plays, may mga players na imiikot sa labas ng baseline para makapunta from left-right or right-left. *Ibig sabihin ba, lima tapos nagiging apat tapos nagiging lima ulit yung naglalaro?


nagbibiggay ba ng technical ang mga referees "for having only 4 players on the court" sa lahat ng situation na na-bring up mo?


Long wasn't given a technical for, as you stated, staying outside the playing court. Jai was assessed a 'T' for blatantly storming the court from the bench.

shyboy
07-31-2007, 03:00 PM
Long wasn't given a technical for, as you stated, staying outside the playing court.* Jai was assessed a 'T' for blatantly storming the court from the bench.


They're watching too much hockey. :P

docjbr
08-03-2007, 12:28 PM
^ *He's officially a member of the playing 5, regardless if he's inside the court or not. *Eh kung gusto niya mag-depensa sa labas eh, pakialam ba ng lahat.

Another sample. *After a timeout, yung naglalabas ng bola, di ba siya kasama sa official playing 5? *Kailangan ba pumasok muna siya sa court tapos lumabas para payagang mag-inbound?

Eto pa. *In some offensive plays, may mga players na imiikot sa labas ng baseline para makapunta from left-right or right-left. *Ibig sabihin ba, lima tapos nagiging apat tapos nagiging lima ulit yung naglalaro?

Medyo mahirap pero I trust you'll get it soon.




Okay, based on all the technicalities that you've given...

Now that we've learned that Pumaren used an incorrect rule to question and protest, and that the time to file the protest has elapsed, what do you think should happen now that the protest should be junked, based on, ummmm, a "technicality"?

Or baka gusto na din ipatuloy ni Pumaren yung protest, on "scheduling", that the game should've been played on a Saturday, para konti lang yung nag-absent sa work and school?

greencm
08-03-2007, 02:04 PM
^ *He's officially a member of the playing 5, regardless if he's inside the court or not. *Eh kung gusto niya mag-depensa sa labas eh, pakialam ba ng lahat.

Another sample. *After a timeout, yung naglalabas ng bola, di ba siya kasama sa official playing 5? *Kailangan ba pumasok muna siya sa court tapos lumabas para payagang mag-inbound?

Eto pa. *In some offensive plays, may mga players na imiikot sa labas ng baseline para makapunta from left-right or right-left. *Ibig sabihin ba, lima tapos nagiging apat tapos nagiging lima ulit yung naglalaro?

Medyo mahirap pero I trust you'll get it soon.




Okay, based on all the technicalities that you've given...

Now that we've learned that Pumaren used an incorrect rule to question and protest, and that the time to file the protest has elapsed, what do you think should happen now that the protest should be junked, based on, ummmm, a "technicality"?

Or baka gusto na din ipatuloy ni Pumaren yung protest, on "scheduling", that the game should've been played on a Saturday, para konti lang yung nag-absent sa work and school?


I read somewhere in AP.com that DLSU has yet to receive the latest rule book so the quoted ruling was taken from the latest they have. Despite several follow ups, still no delivery

ewe_rach
08-03-2007, 04:08 PM
^ *He's officially a member of the playing 5, regardless if he's inside the court or not. *Eh kung gusto niya mag-depensa sa labas eh, pakialam ba ng lahat.

Another sample. *After a timeout, yung naglalabas ng bola, di ba siya kasama sa official playing 5? *Kailangan ba pumasok muna siya sa court tapos lumabas para payagang mag-inbound?

Eto pa. *In some offensive plays, may mga players na imiikot sa labas ng baseline para makapunta from left-right or right-left. *Ibig sabihin ba, lima tapos nagiging apat tapos nagiging lima ulit yung naglalaro?

Medyo mahirap pero I trust you'll get it soon.




Okay, based on all the technicalities that you've given...

Now that we've learned that Pumaren used an incorrect rule to question and protest, and that the time to file the protest has elapsed, what do you think should happen now that the protest should be junked, based on, ummmm, a "technicality"?

Or baka gusto na din ipatuloy ni Pumaren yung protest, on "scheduling", that the game should've been played on a Saturday, para konti lang yung nag-absent sa work and school?


I read somewhere in AP.com that DLSU has yet to receive the latest rule book so the quoted ruling was taken from the latest they have. Despite several follow ups, still no delivery

this is what i was saying in BEN. hay naku, hay naku talaga!

Tommy Vercetti
08-08-2007, 12:24 AM
what more can i say about the Loyolalistas? ;D

all hail Vice City! ;D

bigfreeze_bibby
08-08-2007, 07:19 AM
I think it's about time to close this thread since the board already came up with their verdict and response to our protest. Baka kung saan pa mapunta usapan dito.