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yungha
11-17-2006, 11:35 PM
they used to be rare, prized commodities, coveted and treasured by team owners and coaches. they were the few and the privileged, those who were assured of long and secure PBA careers regardless of their talent or skill level or lack thereof. they were looked up to, literally and figuratively, by adoring pinoy basketball fans.

now, they're a dime a dozen. some turn out to be gems, others can't even crack a college varsity lineup. others turn out to be superstars, others fade into the basketball wasteland.

through it all, these players give hope that one day we may field a team big enough, strong enough and tall enough to compete with the world's best.

let this be the thread to discuss pinoy basketball players 6'8 and above.

japeth aguilar, 6'9 - will play for the western kentucky hilltoppers next season in the us ncaa. not the typical gangly, clumsy tall pinoy. agile and athletic but not highly skilled. can he learn enough skills to be the first pinoy nba player?

marlou aquino, 6'9 - PBA, sta lucia. underachiever. plays to collect his paycheck. could have been a force in asian basketball.

ej feihl, 7'0 - ? another underachiever. could have been a force in asian basketball.

andy seigle, 6'10 - highly athletic. showed promise early on. skilled, athletic, highly physical big man. what happened?

mick pennisi, 6'9 - big man with an outside shot. can he contribute to the national team cause?

samigue eman, 6'9 - PBL. how good is this kid?

dom yabut, 6'8 - former feu tam. where's he now?

vince san diego, 6'8 - former dlsu green archer. where's he now?

bonel balingit, 6'8 - retired? faded before we could harness him for the national team.

danny francisco was almost 6'8. could have been one of the great ones, too, but we all know the sad story behind that.

anyone else out there?

jembengzon
11-18-2006, 06:20 AM
raymond lacson - former dlsu green archer, 6'9".* wasn't really interested in basketball, but recruited because of his height. nice and funny man, got his mba degree at AIM in 1992, worked in PAL as an avp before migrating to canada.

shyboy
11-18-2006, 10:52 AM
How about that kid from AHS who's now in the US, Gian Chiu?

AnthonyServinio
11-18-2006, 11:22 AM
andy seigle, 6'10 - highly athletic. showed promise early on. skilled, athletic, highly physical big man. what happened?
He is only 6'8"

mick pennisi, 6'9 - big man with an outside shot. can he contribute to the national team cause?
He is not a Filipino.

dom yabut, 6'8 - former feu tam. where's he now?
Toyota-Otis Sparks of the PBL

vince san diego, 6'8 - former dlsu green archer. where's he now?
Studying for a Master's degree at UP-Diliman

bchoter
11-18-2006, 10:00 PM
Don Yabut's cousin, 6'8" Eric Sguitan, is playing for San Beda Team B.

Vincent San Diego is also a former Tigercub.

Another gaint, Raul Dillo, is mentioned in another thread about the silverscreen.

One of the earlier giants was Bonie de Jesus (yata) who played Mong on the silver screen.

Also among the early ones, the former JRC Bomber whose name slips my mind, is mentioned in another thread for the could have beens.

Yet another gaint, Marlou Aquino, has taken gameface space in the softies thread.

Didn't Bonel and EJ Feihl play for Crispa in the then PABL?

cub
11-18-2006, 10:07 PM
Eric Canlas. former PBA player. 6'9

and is that jason Ballesteros and De Leon. ung 6'8 sa baste ngayon..

brian
11-18-2006, 11:41 PM
Also among the early ones, the former JRC Bomber whose name slips my mind, is mentioned in another thread for the could have beens.



meron isang jrc player na nabagok ang ulo ata at di na nakalaro...si carvajal

are we referring to same player?

MonL
11-20-2006, 07:56 AM
Also among the early ones, the former JRC Bomber whose name slips my mind, is mentioned in another thread for the could have beens.



meron isang jrc player na nabagok ang ulo ata at di na nakalaro...si carvajal

are we referring to same player?


Si Ed Carvajal ay 6-6 lang though in his time was the tallest local player until Boni de Jesus came.

MonL
11-20-2006, 08:39 AM
Except for Bonel Balingit, and perhaps Boni de Jesus as a far second, all of the homegrown big men mentioned were tall but not well built. Imagine EJ Feihl or Marlou Aquino hitting the weights and have David Robinsion-like arms or* Ben Wallace -type bodies sculpted inside the gym? Plus add training in big-man skills overseas, if trainers can't be flown in.

Samigue Eman was hitting the weights and reportedly showed great improvement over last year, but fell ill and will have to start all over again after one month. But that was a good sign. Japeth has a chance to be a far better player than before as he will be exposed to strength conditioning which he needs to be able to withstand the pounding he will get playing Div I ball. Plus hopefully his fundamentals will be developed even more.

But it all will have to begin with a player's desire.

A pity for those who did not take advantage of the opportunities and let their time pass them by.

oca
11-20-2006, 10:18 AM
When Ron Jacobs was first hired to coach here, the first team he actually formed was a Youth Team, 1982 yata ito. The starting center for that team was supposed to be a kid named JOHN COPADA. If you are 6'6" or 6'7" that time, was to considered to be ga-higante.

Hindi ko alam ang totoong kwento kung anong nangyari sa kanya and why he dropped out of the team, pero ang bulungan nuon ay "hooked on drugs" ang bata at hindi nakayan ang regimen na pinatutupad ni Jacobs.

He was replaced by Tonichi Yturri. That team went on to reclaim the Asian Youth title and became the turning point in the resurgence of the Philppine basketball campaign in Asia since the formation of the PBA in 1975.

I am tempted to mention the other members of that team who went on to became big and/or respected names in local basketball, pero baka malihis pa ang usapan at ma off-topic tayo.

Pero ano nga ba ang nangyari kay Copada?

yungha
11-20-2006, 11:09 AM
How about that kid from AHS who's now in the US, Gian Chiu?


he was a 6'6 15-year old when he left. i heard that x-rays projected him to grow to 6'10. with access to better nutrition, hopefully that promise can be fulfilled.




Vincent San Diego is also a former Tigercub.


i didn't know this. was he a scrub even in high school? i don't recall him playing against the eaglets. or was he shorter then?

AnthonyServinio
11-20-2006, 11:59 AM
Vincent San Diego is also a former Tigercub.


i didn't know this. was he a scrub even in high school? i don't recall him playing against the eaglets. or was he shorter then?

* * *Vincent San Diego was recruited out of Quezon City Science High School. Santo Tomas was one of his first choices for college, attending some Tiger practices, but at the last minute decided to go to La Salle and the rest is history.

JonarSabilano
11-20-2006, 01:35 PM
Vincent San Diego is also a former Tigercub.


i didn't know this. was he a scrub even in high school? i don't recall him playing against the eaglets. or was he shorter then?

* * *Vincent San Diego was recruited out of Quezon City Science High School.* Santo Tomas was one of his first choices for college, attending some Tiger practices, but at the last minute decided to go to La Salle and the rest is history.


He was never a force in high school. In fact, he was being outplayed by the 5'8" - 6'0" centers of PSHS in the division competitions (1998).

Mang_Roger
11-20-2006, 01:59 PM
Also among the early ones, the former JRC Bomber whose name slips my mind, is mentioned in another thread for the could have beens.



Jimmy Santos?

LION
11-20-2006, 02:08 PM
Also among the early ones, the former JRC Bomber whose name slips my mind, is mentioned in another thread for the could have beens.



Jimmy Santos?


Bwahahaha. Pero, hmmmmm, pwede. ;D

MonL
11-20-2006, 02:29 PM
Also among the early ones, the former JRC Bomber whose name slips my mind, is mentioned in another thread for the could have beens.



Jimmy Santos?


Bwahahaha.* Pero, hmmmmm, pwede. ;D


Palapad naman yan, 'dre, hindi patangkad......pero "giant" pa rin.... :D

Joescoundrel
11-20-2006, 02:39 PM
Raul Dillo was supposedly 7'2", and I don't doubt that for a moment. When he was still training with the UE Pages one of his teammates was a gangly 6'5" kid named Chris Corbin, and Corbin reached only up to the middle of Dillo's chest when I saw them and a few other Pages looking for shoes in Greenhills. Of course Dillo was the only one who couldn't find his size, apparently a 22 EEEEE. Dillo I believe played for the San Juan Knights in the MBA.

Vincent San Diego was never really into basketball, being a very bright kid who made studies and guitar (!) his main passions. While he did try out basketball he never really panned out simply because his heart wasn't into it. Too bad since he was listed as anywhere from 6'8" to 6'10" when he was playing, or trying to play as the case may be.

Bonel Balingit still plays in smaller commercial leagues from time to time although he is more busy with his show business career that sees him (of course) playing roles like the kapre. At a legitimate 6'9" and a *muscular 250 pounds (about the dimensions of Karl Malone) in his earlier PBA career, he was quite a force in local ball. He had a soft touch for a big man and could hit his freethrows with consistency, something a lot of bigmen cannot do nowadays.

EJ Feihl was last measured to be exactly 7-feet tall, making him the tallest Pinoy basketball player ever to play in the PBA. I recall he had already developed some moves as a Juniors star on a talented UST team around 1988-1990. When he first came onto the scene he was nothing but size. By his second year on the team he was already doing some drop steps and pivots, even developing a sky hook. Strangely enough he began his PBA career with the Ginebra franchise under Sonny Jaworski but just seemed to retrogress from that point on. He couldn't even hit a point blank shot. Smaller centers like Poch Juinio and Benjie Paras were literally taking it to him with ease. I say strangely because Ginebra is known for developing mere warm bodies into legit players, like the late Rey Cuenco and Romulo Mamaril.

Samigue Eman is at least 6'9" and is well built and runs well. He has some quickness around the basket and is instinctive going after shots and rebounds. He just needs to get more intense personal coaching. I believe he is still in sickbay but is lined up with the Sista team in the ongoing PBL Silver Cup.

Marlou Aquino is another legit 6'9" player who has gotten lazy and disrespectful of the game. In his prime he was as good as any center east of Yao Ming here in Asia. He played Wang Zhizhi to a standstill in the 1994 Asian Games, and he even took a few of the Fil-Ams to school in that first Fil-Am wave in 1999. Too bad he just stopped loving the game and does nothing more than draw a paycheck.

Japeth Aguilar is a physical freak who does things only a highly athletic 6'3" swingman should be doing. But at a legit 6'9" and (as of the WKU measurements) 210 pounds of lean muscle he has the skills and the coachability to play all three frontcourt positions. He could thrive at power forward where his ability to catch and shoot on the pick and pop will make him a nightmare on matchups. Although as an Atenean, I still hope he comes back to Loyola Heights. And if he doesn't, I hope he trips on a rock and lands face-first into a mound of Bluegrass horse shit.

Derrick Canlas I think is in a PBL lineup, just not sure which one, and he is yet another legit 6'9" kid. He was Yancy De Ocampo's twin tower in the St Francis lineup. I think he was signed up by Shell last year or the year before that but simply never got his game going in the PBA. Canlas simply doesn't have the athleticism to impact a game in the PBA in spite of his size.

One kid I would like to know about: Where the heck is DANNY GUMAMIL? I recall he was in the Adamson lineup four or five years ago, and he was already a legit 6'7" or 6'8" then at all of 18, 19 years old. Is he somewhere in the Vis-Min leagues? I haven't seen his name in the NBC box scores.

There was also another kid (dunno what school he was from but I often saw him hanging around the old FEU gym) surnamed BACON (yes, as in the pork product). He looked like an ugly version of Danny Francisco but was taller, was at least a legit 6'8" and thin as a rail. Former FEU star Marc Stevens Victoria, a guy in the 6'3" vicinity, barely reached up to Bacon's shoulders. Bacon was a fixture in the Filipino-Chinese friendship leagues that were then often held at the old FEU gym.

Raba Al Hussaini was last measured at 6'8" some two months ago. Of course you all probably know what I think of this kid.

Isn't Mark "Babyface" Andaya a legit 6'8" already? Last time he and Japeth were in a matchup less than a year ago they were within an inch of each other at the shoulder.

Yungha made an interesting point though, guys 6'5" to 6'6" used to be such rare commodities and wwere automatic centers or power forwards, and now we've got a bunch of them they're even playing perimeter positions like Alan Salangsang and JC Intal. Anyone "only" 6'6" now would be hardpressed to play the power positions, although the likes of Eric Menk, Rommel Adducul, Danny Ildefonso, Don Allado and Enrico Villanueva are succeeding there. And yes, it does give us hope that Filipinos may yet produce a team with both talent AND size in the very near future. * * * *

pio_valenz
11-20-2006, 07:21 PM
I remember a game at the BEG back in the 90s (wasn't a UAAP game, though, and I can't remember which tournament) featuring UE with Raul Dillo on the bench (also can't remember the opponent). It was a close game, and Dillo was standing up, blocking our view. One of us shouted, "Upo! Upo!". Dillo eventually sat down, but someone continued shouting, "Upo! Upo!" :D

Anyway, I saw a special feaure on Dillo on Channel 2. The guy can't even walk straight anymore. Apparently his knees couldn't support his massive frame.

Yes, Vince San Diego is pursuing graduate studies right now at UP. I saw him at some UP practices last year, not participating but just observing.

MonL
11-21-2006, 08:06 AM
Yungha made an interesting point though, guys 6'5" to 6'6" used to be such rare commodities and were automatic centers or power forwards, and now we've got a bunch of them they're even playing perimeter positions like Alan Salangsang and JC Intal. Anyone "only" 6'6" now would be hardpressed to play the power positions, although the likes of Eric Menk, Rommel Adducul, Danny Ildefonso, Don Allado and Enrico Villanueva are succeeding there. And yes, it does give us hope that Filipinos may yet produce a team with both talent AND size in the very near future. * * * *


We already have two men breaking the 7-foot mark, and more than a handful an inch or two shorter, but still growing. It's not too farfetched to find a 7'5" player within the next decade, and more than a handful reaching 7 feet. NOW what do we do with them when they get discovered? Dillo was so slow that in a practice game at San Beda in the 90s (yes, we considered taking him in then) the other nine players in the scrimmage had already made two plays back and forth the whole length of the court while he was still "running" towards the center of the court :D. But he did not have the benefit of world class conditioning and nutrition. I wonder what happened to that project then where a stable of big men were to be formed and developed? Things such as conditioning and nutrition and teaching fundamentals lumped together as one package should be considered in the development of players like these. Otherwise, their potentials will be just untapped and wasted and they, as players remain unfulfilled promises and still considered freaks of nature instead of "the next wave."*

yungha
11-21-2006, 10:09 AM
among the current crop of pinoy giants, i felt that andy seigle was the most promising, possessing just the right amount of power and athleticism. and he wasn't clumsy at all. showed plenty of spunk and heart as one of the young bucks of the 98 centennial team. but at the turn of the century, humina na ang laro. bakit kaya.

was able to chat with coach chot once and he said that in china there's a basketball exclusively for 7-footers and above. in the year 2004 alone, this camp had over 1000 participants.

MonL
11-21-2006, 10:14 AM
among the current crop of pinoy giants, i felt that andy seigle was the most promising, possessing just the right amount of power and athleticism. and he wasn't clumsy at all. showed plenty of spunk and heart as one of the young bucks of the 98 centennial team. but at the turn of the century, humina na ang laro. bakit kaya.

was able to chat with coach chot once and he said that in china there's a basketball exclusively for 7-footers and above. in the year 2004 alone, this camp had over 1000 participants.


...which included 7'8 3/4" Sun Ming Ming, I suppose....

bluebruiser90
11-21-2006, 10:44 AM
Genetics playing a big role in the physical stature of the players that we produce, the Philippines will never have a reliable pipeline of seven footers. There will always be the usual needle in the haystack but all bets are are still off if those players turn out to be really serviceble ( see: EJ Feihl). What is more probable is for our supply of 2,3, and 4's growing to around 6'5"-6'9" and with very good skills. Then with the right system, we can always project to be competitive against the best in Asia and perform extremely well at times to win a major tournament like the ABC or the Asian Games and even regularly qualify for the Olympics.

AnthonyServinio
11-21-2006, 10:52 AM
Raul Dillo was supposedly 7'2", and I don't doubt that for a moment. When he was still training with the UE Pages one of his teammates was a gangly 6'5" kid named Chris Corbin, and Corbin reached only up to the middle of Dillo's chest when I saw them and a few other Pages looking for shoes in Greenhills. Of course Dillo was the only one who couldn't find his size, apparently a 22 EEEEE. Dillo I believe played for the San Juan Knights in the MBA.
* * Raul Dillo was never placed on the official active roster of the San Juan Knights when they were an expansion franchise in 1999. *After that, Dillo disappeared from mainstream basketball for good.

One kid I would like to know about: Where the heck is DANNY GUMAMIL? I recall he was in the Adamson lineup four or five years ago, and he was already a legit 6'7" or 6'8" then at all of 18, 19 years old. Is he somewhere in the Vis-Min leagues? I haven't seen his name in the NBC box scores.
* * Danny Jumamil left Adamson and signed a pro contract with the MBA's Iloilo Volts during the league's first season in 1998. *Unfortunately, he was never placed on the team's active roster and decided to return to his native Mindanao were he has been based since. *Jumamil made a cameo appearance in the Mindanao Friendship Games circa 2001-2002. *Last news is that he is employed by the City Government of Ozamiz, away from the basketball scene.

There was also another kid (dunno what school he was from but I often saw him hanging around the old FEU gym) surnamed BACON (yes, as in the pork product). He looked like an ugly version of Danny Francisco but was taller, was at least a legit 6'8" and thin as a rail. Former FEU star Marc Stevens Victoria, a guy in the 6'3" vicinity, barely reached up to Bacon's shoulders. Bacon was a fixture in the Filipino-Chinese friendship leagues that were then often held at the old FEU gym.
* * Sadly, Adrian Bacon of University of Perpetual Help died a couple of years ago. *It seems his body could not take his incredible size.

Raba Al Hussaini was last measured at 6'8" some two months ago. Of course you all probably know what I think of this kid.
* * Is this with or without the afro?

yungha
11-21-2006, 12:50 PM
Genetics playing a big role in the physical stature of the players that we produce, the Philippines will never have a reliable pipeline of seven footers.* There will always be the usual needle in the haystack but all bets are are still off if those players turn out to be really serviceble ( see: EJ Feihl).* What is more probable is for our supply of 2,3, and 4's growing to around 6'5"-6'9" and with very good skills. Then with the right system, we can always project to be competitive against the best in Asia and perform extremely well at times to win a major tournament like the ABC or the Asian Games and even regularly qualify for the Olympics.


we don't need 7-footers to be competitive. even some NBA teams don't have 7-footers in their lineup. what we do need is a steady pipeline of 6'8-6'9 players who can play multiple frontcourt positions. before, our players above 6'5 were all clumsy and awkward. now, they're more coordinated and reasonably more athletic. but we don't have too many players of that size, so we should find these kids early and train them early and train them well. napag-iwanan na tayo ng china in terms of training - imagine, they were able to make an NBA player out of bateer menk.

hindi pa pala natin napag-uusapan dito si yancy de ocampo. can he contribute to the national team cause? or is he just another softcore player?

Anthony, do you have any info on Ariel Layug, formerly of adamson? layug played for the falcons in 99 or 2000. i'm not sure if he's 6'8 but he was taller than bugia. quite promising, good shotblocker, then disappeared from the uaap.

bluebruiser90
11-21-2006, 01:37 PM
Genetics playing a big role in the physical stature of the players that we produce, the Philippines will never have a reliable pipeline of seven footers.* There will always be the usual needle in the haystack but all bets are are still off if those players turn out to be really serviceble ( see: EJ Feihl).* What is more probable is for our supply of 2,3, and 4's growing to around 6'5"-6'9" and with very good skills. Then with the right system, we can always project to be competitive against the best in Asia and perform extremely well at times to win a major tournament like the ABC or the Asian Games and even regularly qualify for the Olympics.


we don't need 7-footers to be competitive. even some NBA teams don't have 7-footers in their lineup. what we do need is a steady pipeline of 6'8-6'9 players who can play multiple frontcourt positions. before, our players above 6'5 were all clumsy and awkward. now, they're more coordinated and reasonably more athletic. but we don't have too many players of that size, so we should find these kids early and train them early and train them well. napag-iwanan na tayo ng china in terms of training - imagine, they were able to make an NBA player out of bateer menk.

hindi pa pala natin napag-uusapan dito si yancy de ocampo. can he contribute to the national team cause? or is he just another softcore player?

Anthony, do you have any info on Ariel Layug, formerly of adamson? layug played for the falcons in 99 or 2000. i'm not sure if he's 6'8 but he was taller than bugia. quite promising, good shotblocker, then disappeared from the uaap.


Precisely my point. We don't really need 7 footers to be successful in international ball. If they do come then let's thank our good luck and pray that they could play. If we never produce a 7 footer then we just have to do with what we have. We do need some size to at least have a chance but I think we do have enough spread around. And the supply will only get better over time. New Zealand placed third or fourth in the 2002 World Basketball Championships with a 6'8" center. But again we cannot just hope that these 6'5"-6'8" players will just come out of the woodwork ready to play. They have to be trained and trained early.

On Yancy De Ocampo, he will never fool anyone that he can play the front court but he can still be serviceable. He does have a good perimeter game that could draw out bigger defenders to allow our other front court players to have more room inside. His more of a liability once his posted up by legit bigs as Yancy plays a little bit smaller than his actual size when defending the post. It's probably the short arms.

Joescoundrel
11-21-2006, 02:05 PM
Argentina didn't have a 7-footer in the lineup in the 2004 Olympics. But they did have the do-it-all 6'6" swingman Manu Ginobili.

Korea had no 7-footers when they beat Yao Ming and China in the 2002 Asian Games.

Spain had a legit 7-footer who plays more like a 6'9" forward, Pau Gasol, when they won the last World Championships.

Greece, when they bundled out Melo, Bron and company in that same Worlds, had no 7-footers either.

I have always been of the mind that Danny Seigle is the logical evolution for Pinoy ballers (although I personally doubt if he has even a drop of Pinoy blood in him). At a legit 6'6" and a wiry strong 215 pounds, Danny S can do everything a typical 5'11" Pinoy guard can do - shoot, slash, advance the ball against pressure, pass, move without the ball. Apart from posting up and rebounding on sheer size alone.

I always thought it would go something like this: smallish guards like Francis Arnaiz (5'10") would give way to biggish guards like Pat Codinera (6'3") who would then give way to really big NBA-size guards like Danny S. I wonder what the heck happened along the way...

Kid Cubao
11-21-2006, 02:11 PM
kamote, legit fil-am si danny at andy seigle. their mom is from leyte, pinsan ng dati kong officemate na nagpa-relocate na rin sa tacloban.

MonL
11-21-2006, 05:01 PM
Argentina didn't have a 7-footer in the lineup in the 2004 Olympics. But they did have the do-it-all 6'6" swingman Manu Ginobili.
BUT they did have a tough frontline averaging 6’8-6’10 led by Nocioni, Scola, Oberto and other bangers who could come in as 3s. Any two of those can beat a mediocre big one anytime.

Korea had no 7-footers when they beat Yao Ming and China in the 2002 Asian Games.
They did have 6-11,* 280 lb NBA sub Ha Seung Jin. Not exactly a pushover. Plus Korea plays the outside game with deadly precision. Your opponents’ superior rebounding ability is neutralized if your team sinks most of your shots using a high percentage game.

Spain had a legit 7-footer who plays more like a 6'9" forward, Pau Gasol, when they won the last World Championships.

Greece, when they bundled out Melo, Bron and company in that same Worlds, had no 7-footers either.
Pau broke his foot and became a towel-waver as his lesser-known teammates won it all for Spain via a killer team game in spite of the loss of their leader. Greece, like Spain, is an example of a team in which each teammate knew each other well, where their bigs could shoot, move and do other things more known to be done by “the smaller guys.” That’s training and conditioning for you.

I have always been of the mind that Danny Seigle is the logical evolution for Pinoy ballers (although I personally doubt if he has even a drop of Pinoy blood in him). At a legit 6'6" and a wiry strong 215 pounds, Danny S can do everything a typical 5'11" Pinoy guard can do - shoot, slash, advance the ball against pressure, pass, move without the ball. Apart from posting up and rebounding on sheer size alone.
That’s because Danny’s fundamentally sound and he grew up in an environment where people his size have to play the 3 spot and thus have to be quick for their position.* Reminds me of former PBA import Carlos Terry’s Washington Bullets write-up: “Played center in college for Winston-Salem and then signed up for the Bullets, which didn’t need a 6-5 center.” Terry played 3 for Washington, though he was too slow for a 2, didn’t have that long range required of a 3, and though muscular, was too short for a 4.

I always thought it would go something like this: smallish guards like Francis Arnaiz (5'10") would give way to biggish guards like Pat Codinera (6'3") who would then give way to really big NBA-size guards like Danny S. I wonder what the heck happened along the way...* *

Marko Batricevic came from a world where big guys have the green light to shoot from the stands. However, when he came to our shores, he was compelled to play the 4 or 5 spot simply because he is the biggest guy in the lineup. We STILL have a surfeit of PGs and 2s below 6 feet. If we insist on the mindset that big men playing 4 or 5 should stay down low, we’ll never really see a 6’6’’ Allan Caidic-style homegrown long-range bomber in the near future. Guys like JCIntal, Yusif Aljamal and many other 4s, though, are coming out of collegiate ball and making ball handling and the long J part of their game. About time we tried to catch up with the world. It should not be as amusing as a circus act for a 5 to move fluidly and drain one from downtown.* Heck, Jack Sikma and Kevin McHale have been doing that for years. Even Manute Bol has been known to jack one up once in a while, but that was catering more to Don Nelson’s eccentricities than to Manute’s inherent talent, and therefore still a circus act. :D

Kid Cubao
11-21-2006, 05:27 PM
you raised very interesting points, monL. on the whole, basketball is still a game of skill and quickness. height is might, others have said, but as basketball know-how continues to evolve, one will observe how the natural advantage of height is neutralized in any number of ways. as for me, i've always maintained that given a choice between height and athleticism, i'd pick athleticism each time. many of the greatest rebounders in basketball history aren't necessarily the tallest in their respective lineups. bill russell, for instance, grabbed all those rebounds because of his timing, quick reflexes, and uncanny knack for anticipating where the missed FG attempt will bounce off.

whether you're tall or short, the bottom line is that you've gotta have the chops to compete with the best.

LION
11-21-2006, 05:48 PM
Argentina didn't have a 7-footer in the lineup in the 2004 Olympics. But they did have the do-it-all 6'6" swingman Manu Ginobili.
BUT they did have a tough frontline averaging 6’8-6’10 led by Nocioni, Scola, Oberto and other bangers who could come in as 3s. Any two of those can beat a mediocre big one anytime.



Reuben Wolkowski played for Argentina when they got the Olympic gold medal, right? He is a legit 7 footer, I read somewhere. I may be wrong on this.

MonL
11-21-2006, 07:17 PM
Argentina didn't have a 7-footer in the lineup in the 2004 Olympics. But they did have the do-it-all 6'6" swingman Manu Ginobili.
BUT they did have a tough frontline averaging 6’8-6’10 led by Nocioni, Scola, Oberto and other bangers who could come in as 3s. Any two of those can beat a mediocre big one anytime.



Reuben Wolkowski played for Argentina when they got the Olympic gold medal, right?* He is a legit 7 footer, I read somewhere. I may be wrong on this.





He's more or less 6'10", and* he had an undistinguished pro career with Boston in the NBA. Luis Scola is still tied down by his Euroleague contract and wont be playing for the Spurs for a while.

MonL
11-22-2006, 07:40 AM
I remember a game at the BEG back in the 90s (wasn't a UAAP game, though, and I can't remember which tournament) featuring UE with Raul Dillo on the bench (also can't remember the opponent). It was a close game, and Dillo was standing up, blocking our view. One of us shouted, "Upo! Upo!". Dillo eventually sat down, but someone continued shouting, "Upo! Upo!"* :D



May kuwento rin si Kareem Abdul-Jabbar na ganiyan... At Power Memorial High, when he was still known as Lew Alcindor, he was at the back of the classroom when he was noticed by the teacher. The teacher told him: "Young man, please take your seat." Alcindor simply said: "I am in my seat."* *:)

Wang-Bu
11-22-2006, 01:21 PM
Bakit kapag PBA ang nagsukat ng height parating kapos ng mga isa o dalawang pulgada sa totoong height ng player? Si Yancy De Ocampo 6'6 1/2" lang daw samantalang kahit sino sigurong duling masasabing nasa 6'8" siya. Si Rich Alvarez 6'2" lang daw, samantalang sa lahat naman ng mga sinalihan niyan parati siyang nakasukat na 6'4"

Kid Cubao
11-22-2006, 03:06 PM
you know why? it's because the PBA measures players lying flat on their backs, na kala mo sinusukatan ng ataul sa morgue. para raw walang dayaan. alam nyo, kaya ganito ang paraan ng pagsukat sa PBA ay dahil kay sylvester gray, ginebra's monster import in the late 80s. rival PBA GMs raised a collective howl of protest because they felt gray was well above the height limit of 6'6 for the reinforced conference at the time (not to mention that he was built like a greek statue and was a rebounding and shotblocking force to boot). to resove the matter, the PBA front office ordered a re-measure of sly gray, but this time lying flat out on his back. there, 6'6 nga eksakto.

kung ako'y isang coach nung panahong yun, maghahanap din ako ng 6'8 import at makikipagsapalaran akong liliit sya nang 2 pulgada pag sinukat sa paraang ito.

Sam Miguel
11-23-2006, 12:55 PM
Flat on his back. Is this the so-called "anatomical measurement" method?

On a more practical note, who the hell plays basketball on their backs?

LION
11-23-2006, 02:02 PM
And which part of the anatomy is being measured under this method? You really need to clarify this Sam.

MonL
11-23-2006, 02:30 PM
And which part of the anatomy is being measured under this method?* You really need to clarify this Sam.


Any "top-to-bottom" measurement is irrelevant under this method... Shoe size ang tinutukoy ko. ;D

LION
11-23-2006, 02:36 PM
And which part of the anatomy is being measured under this method?* You really need to clarify this Sam.


Any "top-to-bottom" measurement is irrelevant under this method... Shoe size ang tinutukoy ko. ;D


Ok. Shoe size is also an accurate method of measuring it. ;D

"Pinoy giants" nga.

5FootCarrot
11-23-2006, 06:18 PM
Raba Al Hussaini was last measured at 6'8" some two months ago. Of course you all probably know what I think of this kid.
* * Is this with or without the afro?

Rabeh did not have a 'fro two months ago. He actually hasn't had one for a while.

Wang-Bu
11-24-2006, 01:57 PM
Flat on his back. Is this the so-called "anatomical measurement" method?

On a more practical note, who the hell plays basketball on their backs?


Pongalangala naman. 'Di kaya kung nakahiga ka lalong humahaba gawa nga nung nakaratay ang katawan mo? Kung nakatayo ka pwede kang makuba, o kaya maalanagan ng konti ang tindig. Pero kung nakahiga ka, lalong humahaba!

yungha
12-06-2006, 09:56 PM
by any chance, are the 7-foot lopez twins of stanford part filipino? or are they hispanic?

JonarSabilano
12-07-2006, 10:55 AM
by any chance, are the 7-foot lopez twins of stanford part filipino? or are they hispanic?


Seems more like German to me. Medyo kahawig si Dirk Nowitzki e.* Lalo na 'yung buhok. ;D

Seriously, they don't look Pinoy to me. Nor do they look Hispanic. I've checked out Stanford's athletics website and found no info on the parents. I'll be checking scout.com later.

Sam Miguel
12-07-2006, 09:58 PM
Is there any hope of ever making the likes of Yancy De Ocampo and JR Reyes productive, even not as "bigs" per se? If those two do not want to play like bigmen, then is there a chance to turn them into at least productive enough players regardless of size?

JonarSabilano
12-08-2006, 08:42 AM
Is there any hope of ever making the likes of Yancy De Ocampo and JR Reyes productive, even not as "bigs" per se? If those two do not want to play like bigmen, then is there a chance to turn them into at least productive enough players regardless of size?


JR Reyes could've been a project had he not left UP. Sayang talaga. Manipis ang katawan niya as of now, although I must say he's better than Kerby Raymundo was when he turned pro. Yancy used to have a good outside shot, but our big-man-must-play-big mentality prevented him from using it in the pro ranks. Ranidel has more upside. A better dribbler who can slash to the basket.

kryptonite
01-02-2007, 01:53 AM
Argentina didn't have a 7-footer in the lineup in the 2004 Olympics. But they did have the do-it-all 6'6" swingman Manu Ginobili.
BUT they did have a tough frontline averaging 6’8-6’10 led by Nocioni, Scola, Oberto and other bangers who could come in as 3s. Any two of those can beat a mediocre big one anytime.

Korea had no 7-footers when they beat Yao Ming and China in the 2002 Asian Games.
They did have 6-11, 280 lb NBA sub Ha Seung Jin. Not exactly a pushover. Plus Korea plays the outside game with deadly precision. Your opponents’ superior rebounding ability is neutralized if your team sinks most of your shots using a high percentage game.

Spain had a legit 7-footer who plays more like a 6'9" forward, Pau Gasol, when they won the last World Championships.

Greece, when they bundled out Melo, Bron and company in that same Worlds, had no 7-footers either.
Pau broke his foot and became a towel-waver as his lesser-known teammates won it all for Spain via a killer team game in spite of the loss of their leader. Greece, like Spain, is an example of a team in which each teammate knew each other well, where their bigs could shoot, move and do other things more known to be done by “the smaller guys.” That’s training and conditioning for you.

I have always been of the mind that Danny Seigle is the logical evolution for Pinoy ballers (although I personally doubt if he has even a drop of Pinoy blood in him). At a legit 6'6" and a wiry strong 215 pounds, Danny S can do everything a typical 5'11" Pinoy guard can do - shoot, slash, advance the ball against pressure, pass, move without the ball. Apart from posting up and rebounding on sheer size alone.
That’s because Danny’s fundamentally sound and he grew up in an environment where people his size have to play the 3 spot and thus have to be quick for their position. Reminds me of former PBA import Carlos Terry’s Washington Bullets write-up: “Played center in college for Winston-Salem and then signed up for the Bullets, which didn’t need a 6-5 center.” Terry played 3 for Washington, though he was too slow for a 2, didn’t have that long range required of a 3, and though muscular, was too short for a 4.

I always thought it would go something like this: smallish guards like Francis Arnaiz (5'10") would give way to biggish guards like Pat Codinera (6'3") who would then give way to really big NBA-size guards like Danny S. I wonder what the heck happened along the way...

Marko Batricevic came from a world where big guys have the green light to shoot from the stands. However, when he came to our shores, he was compelled to play the 4 or 5 spot simply because he is the biggest guy in the lineup. We STILL have a surfeit of PGs and 2s below 6 feet. If we insist on the mindset that big men playing 4 or 5 should stay down low, we’ll never really see a 6’6’’ Allan Caidic-style homegrown long-range bomber in the near future. Guys like JCIntal, Yusif Aljamal and many other 4s, though, are coming out of collegiate ball and making ball handling and the long J part of their game. About time we tried to catch up with the world. It should not be as amusing as a circus act for a 5 to move fluidly and drain one from downtown. Heck, Jack Sikma and Kevin McHale have been doing that for years. Even Manute Bol has been known to jack one up once in a while, but that was catering more to Don Nelson’s eccentricities than to Manute’s inherent talent, and therefore still a circus act. :D


Maybe the secret to the success of these teams is great perimeter shooting by their big men. Mobile big men, 6-8 to 6-10 guys, who can consistently hit the medium to long range jumpers. Hard-working pivot men fighting for the rebounds and loose balls.

kryptonite
01-02-2007, 01:56 AM
Is JC Intal of Ateneo sa legit 6-4 or 6-5? He looks "short" on tv. He looks to be more of a 6-3 lean machine compared to his teammate Doug Kramer who looks taller at 6-4.

Kid Cubao
01-02-2007, 06:54 PM
he's as tall as coach norman black, who's a legit 6'5 even in his late 40s.

pachador
03-02-2007, 09:11 AM
Will 6'10" Eman Samigue, the current Mindanao giant surpass the achievements of his predecessors?

Ex-Filipino basketball stars dead set for a go at public office*

KUWAIT CITY,: One is known as the 'gentle giant' for his polite demeanor on the playing court. The other, for the gift of music and the arts besides being a skillful exponent of Dr James Naismith's brainchild.

Meet Bonel Balingit (6'9'), a native of Ozamis City in northern Mindanao who played high school basketball with the Misamis Institute of Technology and Misamis University and with the University of the Visayas and La Salle in college.

Blessed with a height and heft to go with respectable hardcourt skills, the 'gentle giant,' as Balingit was known, had his first taste of highly competitive basketball when he was spotted and invited to play for the Lhuillier Bulls in the Cebu Amateur Basketball Association (CABA) league in the central Philippine island of Cebu in the mid-80's.

Recruited
That stint was his ticket to the big leagues. In 1989, he was recruited to play in Manila with the Magnolia team in the semi-professional Philippine Basketball League (PBL) where he made a name for himself and was chosen as a member of the national team that competed in the Southeast Asian Games (SEAG) that same year, where the Philippine five took silver behind Malaysia in basketball.

In 1992, he made it to the pinnacle of every Filipino basketball player's aspiration, when he was signed up by the RFM Swift team to play for the franchise in the Philippine Basketball Association of PBA, the first professional league in Asia.

He played for several teams during his 10-year professional career in the PBA the last one with Purefoods in 2002
The 'gentle giant's' appeal and popularity brought him movie offers as well, where he appeared in seven flicks with some of Philippine tinseltown's enduring comedy actors like Babalu and Redford White to name a few; his most memorable stint he recalled, was the blockbuster rib-tickler 'Tatay kong Paketong-ketong' which broke box office records.

But gentle demeanor and funny image aside, Balingit has a serious and lofty goal: that of helping his country and people by running for public office in the May 2007 national elections as a partylist candidate, along with Zaldy Realubit and three others, representing small businessmen and sportsmen in the Philippine Congress.

A native of Kapatagan, Lanao Del Norte in Southern Philippines, Balingit never dreamed of becoming a basketball star. 'I love boxing and I really wanted to become a boxing star like Manny Pacquiao but I guess, I was destined to be in basketball, because I grew so tall and no one would dare fight with me inside the boxing ring,' he laughed.

'The most unforgettable moment in my basketball career was when I was chosen as one of the mythical five and awarded as the most improved player,' he recounted. Just like his best friend, Balingit put forward the fake Fil-AM PBA players issue and shared the sentiments of other former PBA stars. 'I retired from PBA with a good record. In my last game, I made 29 points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 block shots,' he recalled smilingly.

Currently, aside from joining local and international exhibition games, Balingit also serves as a Sports Consultant at Pasay City.

'Self-discipline, respect for one another, unity and teamwork are very important not only in basketball but also in living your life,' cited Balingit.

'Discover your talents and engage in a field where you can excel and maximize your God-given talents,' concluded Realubit.

Balingit, 36, is married to Josie Amador with whom they have a 13-year-old son.

In contrast to Bonel Balingit's quite demeanor, Zaldy Realubit is outgoing and gregarious but has his serious side too and like the former, is dead set on his candidacy for public office.

Like Balingit, the lanky Realubit (6'5') was a standout while playing college ball at the Northwestern Agusan College in Agusan Del Norte also in Mindanao, but was largely ignored when he went to Cebu to try his luck with powerhouse college teams there until the coach of the Colegio de San Jose Recoletos (CSJR) saw him play and liked what he saw, and invited him to play on his team.
That set off the start of a hardcourt career spanning 16 years playing, after a successful stint with the Mama's Love squad in the now defunct Philippine Amateur Basketball League (PABL) in the mid-80's; he was taken in a PBA draft by Presto Coffee in 1988, fours years ahead of co-Mindanao native Balingit.

'I've lost count how many teams I've played for during my professional career but I played out my last with Purefoods in 2004,' Realubit told the Arab Times in an exclusive interview.

Honed
Realubit, started playing basketball at the age of 12. His basketball skills were honed in his high school years in Nasipit, Agusan del Sur in Southern Philippines. 'I was growing tall so fast. I felt awkward at first but my high school teacher told me to stand proud and be thankful because not everybody is blessed with a height like me,' he quipped.

Realubit has carved his own niche in the Philippine basketball industry after becoming a player of Mama's Love, Philippine National Basketball Team, RFM/Swift, Tanduay, FedEx and Purefoods. 'The most memorable moment of my career was when I was chosen to be a member of the Philippine National Basketball Team for the Asian Games in Beijing where we competed with the Chinese national team and won silver,' he disclosed.

After shying away from the PBA scene at the height of the fake Fil-Am PBA players issue which he exposed to the national level, Realubit has kept himself busy by joining exhibition games in various places in the Philippines as well as in the international arena on invitation by Filipinos worldwide. 'I stood by my principle and I can't condone such a farce when everybody knew that time that some of the Fil-Am PBA players are not really Filipinos,' he stressed.

These days, the powerful cager has turned to singing and painting which he finds very inspiring. 'I'm a very artistic person. When I stopped playing in PBA, I've been dabbling oil and pastel on the canvas, creating abstract, landscape and portraits,' he shared. His ardent love for singing love songs and country songs was also noticed by his legion of fans. 'I play the guitar and piano,' he quipped with a sheepish grin.

Mini concert
Aside from joining exhibition games in Kuwait, Realubit will also mount a mini concert where he would share his singing prowess and acoustic virtuosity.
When asked what were his immediate plans when he retired from professional basketball, he said he thought of taking up his old love of painting and music which he had to shelve for the allure of basketball which he said consumed him at the time.

As to his painting, this writer did see any proof but his singing and guitar (which he brought along) playing was something worthwhile listening to, which discerning people would surely agree and find highly entertaining; something which would make for a profitable career if he so chooses.
He said he would advocate transparency in public office if ever the Filipino electorate would vote his and Balingit's party, 'Abay Parak' ( loosely translated as police aide society) whose mission and vision is to serve as a voice for small businessmen and sportsmen in general.

'Small Filipino businessmen have been largely marginalized in favor of big conglomerates and globalization,' Realubit said adding, ' it's time some party or group should take the cudgel and speak and work in their behalf by way of legislation, should the people give my party the mandate.'
'The same is true with our sportsmen. The sorry state of affairs in Philippine sports, where our athletes are struggling and trying their best to bring glory and honor to our country despite the apparent lack of financial and moral support, is what we will also work for,' Realubit said with conviction.

Realubit, himself a small businessman, is married to Yvonne Aldanese, a former flight stewardess with Saudia Airlines, with whom he has four children.

The 'gentle giant' and the 'singing cager' will play in the current PABAK/Cesar's Travel 16th Conference Basketball Tournament in the Open division where it is expected their presence and participation will help uplift the standard of play in the local Filipino basketball league.

The two ex pros experience will serve as a yardstick by which local players can gauge their own game, forcing them to elevate their own game level to match up with that of the visitors thus benefiting them, experience-wise.*

gameface_one
03-02-2007, 11:22 AM
Pachador's post on the 2 Mindanao giants is merged with the Pinoy Giants thread.

pachador
03-02-2007, 01:46 PM
There were 2 other mindanao giants that I recall , Danny Jumamil at 6'9" ---> what happened to him? and Mustapa Khadir at 6'8" from the cotabato area I think(my memory is not sure on this)

I heard there was a filipino 7 footer in the 1960s yata nicknamed "Big Ben". anybody has more details about him?

whiplash
03-03-2007, 01:01 AM
ateneo once had a player taller than 6'7" in its junior team a couple of years ago... and he was only 15 at that time...

he had chinese heritage i believe.. anyone care to confirm this?

MonL
03-03-2007, 05:35 AM
ateneo once had a player taller than 6'7" in its junior team a couple of years ago... and he was only 15 at that time...

he had chinese heritage i believe.. anyone care to confirm this?


Check out the "Blue Eagles Who Have Taken Flight" thread in the BEN Forum for a comprehensive look at discussions about Gian Chiu.

pachador
03-03-2007, 09:57 AM
I took a minor in genetics in college , before I switched degrees, thus my side-interest in pinoy giants. Anyways, giants or gigantism is a rare human condition. according to the latest statistics on the internet, "In the United States, Gigantism is extremely rare, with approximately 100 reported cases to date.

In the Philippines to date, I know of only 2 cases , maybe 3 cases: the 7 footer "Big Ben" from the 1960s(or 50s) , Raul Dillo at 7'3" , and maybe Ed Feihl(anyone knows if Feihl's height was due to tall parents or relatives? or due to gigantism(oversecretion of growth hormone) ?

China with 1.3 billion people will obviously have more giants . suerte nila.

There is also the possibility that in the case of the bunch of home-grown filipino 6'8" to 6'9" players who are weak or "lampa" that they may also be cases of gigantism or acromegaly(oversecretion of growth hormone during adulthood) specially if they died at a young age. The only reason some of these 'weak' 6'9" did not grow past 7 foot was perhaps really poor nutrition.

anyway, why bring this up? well, gigantism is actually curable and once cured by removing the tumor, the hormonal levels of the giant will go back to normal specially the testosterone levels, and they can become aggressive and not feel weak. hindi na lampa ! for example, when I first read about Raul Dillo when I was young, he was reported to be active but later on he was reported to be weak and slow. I also noticed his face is not "normal" anymore owing probably to abnormal growth of his facial bones. Georghe Muresan, a Romanian who at 7'7" once played in the NBA, was a pituitary giant too , but luckily for him he got his tumor removed so he was able to become active and play in the NBA. Sayang di Raul Dillo, I wonder if his tumor is still inside his head. if this tumor was removed when he was still a teenager, he could have been able to play actively in the PBA. who knows ??

so the lesson here is that because extreme tallness is due to either overactive growth hormone or to very tall parents. Since gigantism is a very rare case, if ever it happens again in the Philippines, doctors need to monitor the young pinoy giant and once it is proven he has gigiantism(specially kung maliit parents niya), the doctors need to remove the tumor in his mid-teens before its too late and he comes weak or lampa =(* :'(* * *:'(

Furthermore, they may want to experiment with injecting yancy de ocampo and other pinoy giants who are soft or malambot with testosterone and see if they becomes aggressive anot not soft anymore. he may only have low testosteron levels(its the hormone for aggressiveness)

MonL
03-03-2007, 12:26 PM
EJFeihl got his size from his foregn-born father, hence his height is more hereditary than from genetic disorders like acromelagy. There are several foreign players which were reportedly with pituitary disorders resulting in unusual size. We have China's 7'4"Mu-Tse-Tsiu, Japan's 7'5 Yasutaka Okayama, Muresan, Russia's 7'5" Pavel Podkolzin, and lately, China's 7'9 Sun Ming Ming... In Podkolzin's case, he tried to get himself cured through hormone therapy, as his disorder prevented him from fully pursuing an NBA career. Sun is following that course.

Because of the rarity of the disorder, we look at unusually tall persons as novelties more than as people with a life-threatening disorder which need to be remedied in order for them to live normal lives.

As for "soft" players playing in the big leagues here, their "softness" comes more from their attitude than from runaway genetics. :P

pachador
03-04-2007, 05:38 AM
There is also Roger Ngo , a 6'7" from La salle - Dasmarinas , and he plays for the Philippine national team pero sa volleyball* ;D
hehehe

yungha
03-08-2007, 11:49 PM
...China with 1.3 billion people will obviously have more giants . suerte nila...

true, but it's likewise puzzling.

china has over a thousand registered basketball players 7-feet and above. this means they could just as easily have a few hundred additional unregistered 7-footers roaming the countryside. conservative estimates would peg that china produces approximately 1 7-footer per 1 million population.

chinese and filipinos share the same average height. how come we don't produce the same number of 7-footers per capita? why don't we have 80 7-footers? or even 40 or 20?

most chinese 7-footers come from north of the yangtze, where the people are arguably as undernourished as pinoy rural folk, so we can't claim that the chinese have an advantage in nutrition. is it climate? are they injected with something to make them taller? is it local government policy to "encourage" tall males and females to intermarry?

in a couple of years, asi and marlou will retire. that will leave us with japeth and maybe pennisi as the only international-calibre players 6'8 and above. otherwise, we'll have to revert to fielding 6'5 centers like adduccul and villanueva, which height-wise is hardly an improvement from the national team big men we fielded 30 or 40 years ago.

pachador
03-09-2007, 01:59 AM
actually, the northern chinese are much taller than the southern chinese. Yao ming comes from northern china I believe. most ofthe chinese in the philippines are from Fujian province which is in southern china . hence the filipino-chinese you see in the philippines are generally not so tall.
the diet of the northern chinese includes wheat while the southern chinese includes rice. Wheat has a higher protein content than rice, and a protein deficiency is known to stunt growth.
another reason why northern chinese are taller is because they are closer to the russia and middle east so the intermixing with the russians and middle-easterners can produce some tall hybrids over the centuries.
in the philippines we have so far been finding a bunch of 6'5"s to 6'9"s. what needs to be done is to train them in skills and fundamentals at an early age the minute they are spotted to be tall for their age. like a yearly big man's camp for tall young kids. This way we will always have, say, a bunch of fundamentally sound centers being trained every year.






...China with 1.3 billion people will obviously have more giants . suerte nila...

true, but it's likewise puzzling.

china has over a thousand registered basketball players 7-feet and above. this means they could just as easily have a few hundred additional unregistered 7-footers roaming the countryside. conservative estimates would peg that china produces approximately 1 7-footer per 1 million population.

chinese and filipinos share the same average height. how come we don't produce the same number of 7-footers per capita? why don't we have 80 7-footers? or even 40 or 20?

most chinese 7-footers come from north of the yangtze, where the people are arguably as undernourished as pinoy rural folk, so we can't claim that the chinese have an advantage in nutrition. is it climate? are they injected with something to make them taller? is it local government policy to "encourage" tall males and females to intermarry?

in a couple of years, asi and marlou will retire. that will leave us with japeth and maybe pennisi as the only international-calibre players 6'8 and above. otherwise, we'll have to revert to fielding 6'5 centers like adduccul and villanueva, which height-wise is hardly an improvement from the national team big men we fielded 30 or 40 years ago.

pachador
03-11-2007, 01:43 PM
Video showing Gian Chiu # 55 in white uniform of Desert Christian playing against Brethren Christian. You can see Gian's power moves under the basket.

http://hsi.pe.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=122003&catId=544








ateneo once had a player taller than 6'7" in its junior team a couple of years ago... and he was only 15 at that time...

he had chinese heritage i believe.. anyone care to confirm this?


Check out the "Blue Eagles Who Have Taken Flight" thread in the BEN Forum for a comprehensive look at discussions about Gian Chiu.

pachador
03-23-2007, 01:53 PM
Japeth "da kapre 6'9" " Aguilar can be seen in this recent picture gallery. he is wearing blue long sleeves in the very first picture. kita mo yung itim nag-mukhang unano ;D

http://www.hilltopperhaven.com/galleries/06-07/uno/

you will finally see Japeth play this September 2007 ! Abangan !

pachador
04-03-2007, 03:37 AM
Who is this older player ,jersey # 5?(is he Guidaben? he's gained weight) He seems taller than 6'5" peter aguilar, and nearly the same height as Jepth:

http://www.medskul.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=650&d=1160366564

http://www.medskul.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=650&d=1160366564

Mateen Cleaves
04-03-2007, 04:55 AM
It could just be the camera angle and their relative positions in the picture. Peter Aguilar was listed as 6'6" in his playing years. That's fellow Redmanizer Yoyoy Villamin between Peter Aguilar and Guidaben.

pachador
04-03-2007, 06:47 AM
oh ok. unless, Peter's height was padded all this years. I also noticed peter is wearing flat shoes.
I saw Villamin , and other retired PBA stars last year during the benefit game for Distrito in Carson. Villamin together with Alolor and dela Rosa were still impressive and still played almost the same as when they were young. Villamin was still awesome with his power playing. de la Rosa even tried to reverse dunk 2 or 3 times . he missed twice. Alolor, delarosa and villamin* were* impressive physical specimens...looked like bouncers. Alolor had terrific outside shooting... His wide frame reminds me of Samoans living in los angeles. I had my pic taken with Villamin during that event because he was my hero when i was younger. ...... *Jaworski was still the star.. when Jawo arrived as guest speaker, the crowd went nuts, and it was bedlam inside the gym as all the matronas rushed to pinch Jawo.
I heard through the grapevine here that Villamin's new jersey team won a fil-am tournament 1 or 2 years ago even though they were pitted against young teams filled with fil-am ballers( i forgot to ask if guidaben was already Villamin's teammate in that new jersey team) I was not surprised because Villamin wass scary whenever he started his plays in the paint during that game. He put a lot of force into it...Alolor who was guardiing him had to hack his arm a few times. Peter aguilar was also in that game but he was soooooo lame and weak. Abe King also played but he was a pitiful sight....waddling like a penguin(mabigat na siya)




It could just be the camera angle and their relative positions in the picture. Peter Aguilar was listed as 6'6" in his playing years. That's fellow Redmanizer Yoyoy Villamin between Peter Aguilar and Guidaben.

jaybanes42
06-04-2007, 09:00 PM
sa univ. of cebu,,last year pa yon..baka tumangkad na cya at tatangkad pa!

gameface_one
06-04-2007, 11:09 PM
^^^jaybanes42, will appreciate if you can expound more on what you want to discuss about the subject matter or better yet, identify clearly the subject matter. I will temporarily allow this thread to float but if there will be no improvements, I will be forced to lock or delete the same.

Thanks.

pachador
06-05-2007, 12:22 AM
can anyone post pics of 6'9" center junmar fajardo ?

pachador
06-05-2007, 12:23 AM
sana 7 foot :o




sa univ. of cebu,,last year pa yon..baka tumangkad na cya at tatangkad pa!

Sam Miguel
06-05-2007, 11:45 AM
Agree with an observation of Yungha's in a previous page: for whatever reason we have not progressed size-wise, at least in terms of producing tall but talented basketball players. Kids like Japeth and Gian may no longer be the anomaly they were even 10 years ago but they still come few and far between. I wonder when we will produce more players at least the size of Marlou Aquino and Asi Taulava and who can at least move as well as those two.

Or is it simply that we do not have a unified program to train these kids? Why is it 6'9" Yancy De Ocampo gets good PBA contracts while the likes of his fellow former St Francis Doves 6'10" Derek Canlas and 6'8" Earvin Sotto seem to have just fallen by the wayside? How about former Lasalle Green Archer Vince San Diego, a 6'9" kid who got into basketball late but learned to love the game?

pachador
06-05-2007, 12:17 PM
IMHO, even without a consolidated training program for our handful of giants, what made the progress of our giants stunted is the ongoing practice of top school teams to form "B" teams and hoard all the tall men. whats the result? lots of tall men who dont get enough playing time.

You guys should read the book 'operation yao ming' or the free time magazine article 'creation of yao ming' and you'll be shocked at how disciplined(and brutal) the commie chinese program is for training their athletes and basketball players.

The BAP had 2 programs that the SBP can expand or improve upon: the 6 foot and above league and the 'tuklas taas' program(search for tall men??)

a very practical centralized program that can be put in place quickly is to gather the tallest 40 or 60 cagers in the country without looking at their skills then form them into 7 man teams to form 6 to 10 tall teams and have them play against each other so they can get to practice their ball handling skills, etc. . the 2nd reason for gathering the tall kids is for a yearly big man's camp. this 4o to 60 tallest cagers will be gathered for just 1 to 2 months during the off-season every year. This big man's gathering will be done yearly

the puerto rican forum has a similar complaint that their 7 footers always get out-rebounded, etc... and they think its due to their tall men not getting enough experience banging with tall men better or tougher than them. they got used to banging with shorter centers so they did not have to jump high.







Agree with an observation of Yungha's in a previous page: for whatever reason we have not progressed size-wise, at least in terms of producing tall but talented basketball players. Kids like Japeth and Gian may no longer be the anomaly they were even 10 years ago but they still come few and far between. I wonder when we will produce more players at least the size of Marlou Aquino and Asi Taulava and who can at least move as well as those two.

Or is it simply that we do not have a unified program to train these kids? Why is it 6'9" Yancy De Ocampo gets good PBA contracts while the likes of his fellow former St Francis Doves 6'10" Derek Canlas and 6'8" Earvin Sotto seem to have just fallen by the wayside? How about former Lasalle Green Archer Vince San Diego, a 6'9" kid who got into basketball late but learned to love the game?

pachador
06-10-2007, 12:19 AM
according to an interbasket poster there is a 6'9" high school kid 15 yrs old in angeles city. he is being scouted daw by FEU and UST. any info ??

pachador
06-10-2007, 12:41 AM
per anthony servinio, Junmar fajardo of univ of cebu is 6'9"

Ghostrider
06-10-2007, 10:17 AM
The 6'9 kid (from Pampanga daw) whom I saw during tryouts and subsequently with the FEU team B has a Tayshaun Prince body type with Manute Bol proportional thinness. He's always in a hunchback posture (baka nahihiya sa height).

I don't think he'll make it bigtime because they're something wrong with his running style, parang flat footed.

kamikaze
06-10-2007, 12:00 PM
I-share ko lang po. Just read from the Sports section of philstar.com today , writen by Joey Villar. He mentioned a 6 foot 11 FilAm from Cebu named Gregory Slaughter. He was mentioned as one of the 40 amateur players being considered/invited to play for RP team this coming SEAG. Sana magaling, sayang yung height.

gameface_one
06-10-2007, 03:06 PM
^^^^check the thread about him in the visayas - mindanao scene forum

pachador
06-21-2007, 01:03 AM
17 year old 6'11" Pampangueno giant.* *:o* *:o* *:o* Can anyone confirm this?

from: Pacland forum:
Prince panday said:
Guys, i would like to share this information about the big young guy here in Angeles City. i've already mentioned him in interbasket.net. As i promised i will get some information about him. His name is Jerico De Guzman, 17 years old and stands 6'11" and still growing. He is pure blooded pinoy and the last time i saw this big young guy was last year playing in high school here in Angeles Univ in Angeles City. He can run, jump and dribble, lay up and perimeter shooter. A while ago when i was on my way home from work i saw the univ. coach and i asked him about Jerico, and i was surprised because he told me that Jerico is now in the USA and playing in Western Kentucky Univ., where Japeth Aguilar is, he says Japeth recommends him to try out last summer and luckily the Western Kentucky coach impressed to Jerico. They are both kapampangan that's why maybe they know each other. I dont know if the information i got is true. pls guys help me to check and find out if the coach i conversated is telling the truth.

AnthonyServinio
06-21-2007, 11:24 AM
17 year old 6'11" Pampangueno giant.* *:o* *:o* *:o* Can anyone confirm this?

from: Pacland forum:
Prince panday said:
Guys, i would like to share this information about the big young guy here in Angeles City. i've already mentioned him in interbasket.net. As i promised i will get some information about him. His name is Jerico De Guzman, 17 years old and stands 6'11" and still growing. He is pure blooded pinoy and the last time i saw this big young guy was last year playing in high school here in Angeles Univ in Angeles City. He can run, jump and dribble, lay up and perimeter shooter. A while ago when i was on my way home from work i saw the univ. coach and i asked him about Jerico, and i was surprised because he told me that Jerico is now in the USA and playing in Western Kentucky Univ., where Japeth Aguilar is, he says Japeth recommends him to try out last summer and luckily the Western Kentucky coach impressed to Jerico. They are both kapampangan that's why maybe they know each other. I dont know if the information i got is true. pls guys help me to check and find out if the coach i conversated is telling the truth.


* * *I BELIEVE I saw this boy circa 2004 when I visited Angeles University Foundation for an inter-college tournament.* Based on his uniform's patches, he was a high school sophomore.* What was more interesting was he was taller than any of the collegiate team members.* I estimated him to be at least 6'5" at the time and based on conversations, he was being eyed by Coach Aric del Rosario, also a Kampampangan, to play for the University of Santo Tomas.

yungha
06-21-2007, 12:08 PM
there was talk of a kapampangan 7-footer who was supposed to play for joe lipa in UP last year. is this the same kid or are there 2 pinoy giants roaming the flatlands of pampanga?

pachador,

saw your post at hilltopperhaven. either the topper die-hards are keeping the kid from prying eyes or there really is no truth to the rumor that jerico de guzman is in bowling green, kentucky, trying out for the western kentucky mens basketball team.

pachador
06-21-2007, 01:09 PM
yep, from the way the veteran posters(actually their boosters too) answered at hilltopper haven, they were evasive* ;) baka nga rumor lang........
I like the sentence below parang kapres or bigfoots roaming the candaba swamps* ;D one day, someone ought to write about the increasing heights of filipinos and the sprouting of giants from the philippine hinterlands . we will one day look back with fondness on the movie of filipino midget , wengWeng* "For your Height only" :
http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeVideoArt/Large/91/252691.jpg



there was talk of a kapampangan 7-footer who was supposed to play for joe lipa in UP last year. is this the same kid or are there 2 pinoy giants roaming the flatlands of pampanga?
pachador,

saw your post at hilltopperhaven. either the topper die-hards are keeping the kid from prying eyes or there really is no truth to the rumor that jerico de guzman is in bowling green, kentucky, trying out for the western kentucky mens basketball team.

pachador
06-23-2007, 12:46 AM
Almagordo from Davao at 6'8" high school pa lang? :o :o :o :o


Quote:
Originally Posted by WackoMatt at PEX:
13. Rabeh Al-Hussaini - 6'7 (Ateneo)
14. Dave Marcelo - 6'5 (San Beda)
15. Elvin Pascual - 6'5 (PCU jrs.)
16. Vince Fran - 6'5 (LSGH)
17. Justin Chua - 6'6 (Chang Kai Shek)
18. Philip Paredes - 6'7 (incoming San Beda HS sophomore)
19. ? Almagordo - 6'8 (AGRO HS Davao)
20. Jonas Paguia - 6-5 (FEU)
21. JR Cawaling 6-5 (FEU)
22. Rico Maierhoffer 6-6 (DLSU)

Marami pang iba, but this is all I can remember for now.

Ghostrider
06-23-2007, 02:09 PM
^^

Yes, otherwise, he wouldn't be in the Nike Elite camp for HS students. The one to look out for was Phillip Paredes, a 14 or 15 year old who is already 6'7. Look for his name in the Nike Elite thread. I think he's from Cagayan de Oro. At this stage, parang Yancy de Ocampo na. Hopefully, he'll get better.

Wang-Bu
07-24-2007, 02:05 PM
^^

Yes, otherwise, he wouldn't be in the Nike Elite camp for HS students.* The one to look out for was Phillip Paredes, a 14 or 15 year old who is already 6'7.* Look for his name in the Nike Elite thread.* I think he's from Cagayan de Oro.* At this stage, parang Yancy de Ocampo na.* Hopefully, he'll get better.


Kamaganak ba ito nung mga Atenistang Paredes o nung mga abogadong Paredes na galing UE? Matatangkad din kasi ang mga UE Paredes, nasa 5'11 hanggang 6'2" ang mga mag-uutol na mga abogado, may ilang pinsan silang mga 6-footer din.

irateluvmachine
07-25-2007, 01:23 PM
Almagordo from Davao at 6'8" high school pa lang?* * :o* *:o* * :o* * *:o
* *

Quote:
Originally Posted by WackoMatt* at PEX:
13. Rabeh Al-Hussaini - 6'7 (Ateneo)
14. Dave Marcelo - 6'5 (San Beda)
15. Elvin Pascual - 6'5 (PCU jrs.)
16. Vince Fran - 6'5 (LSGH)
17. Justin Chua - 6'6 (Chang Kai Shek)
18. Philip Paredes - 6'7 (incoming San Beda HS sophomore)
19. ? Almagordo - 6'8 (AGRO HS Davao)
20. Jonas Paguia - 6-5 (FEU)
21. JR Cawaling 6-5 (FEU)
22. Rico Maierhoffer 6-6 (DLSU)

Marami pang iba, but this is all I can remember for now.



cawaling is only 6'3, hardly qualifies as a "giant"...si maierhofer mga 6'5...

pachador
07-25-2007, 09:42 PM
according to the July 30 ,2007 TIME magazine, U.S. edition on page 12 about the heights of various countries, the tallest people on earth are the Dutch with average height of 6 feet followed by the Norwegians and germans at 5'11" , Americans at 5'10", Brazilians at 5'7" , Chinese at 5'5" then the Filipinos at 5'4" .....kung mga pure pinoy blood tulad ng aetas at mangyan mga 4'10" to 5'0" lang siguro I think mga 10 to 20 years from now the filipino average height will climb to maybe 5'6" because dumarami ang mga tisoy na filipino(chinoy, fil-ams, fil-euros, fil=bombays, filarabs, fil-spanish, fil-australyanos, fil-chinese, fil-koreanos, fil-hapons etc) at intermarriages with foreigners plus dahil sa OFWs, nagiging masustansya kinakakain ng kanilang mga anak. ;)

gameface_one
08-01-2007, 11:12 AM
NOT NECESSARILY PINOY’

SBP starts hunt for 7-foot rebounder

By Aldrin Cardona
Daily tribune


The sign now hanging at the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas’ office door says everything about the state of the country’s basketball affairs: Wanted rebounder, must stand seven feet or taller, not necessarily a Filipino but willing to acquire Philippine citizenship.



The SBP, through, executive director Patrick Gregorio, yesterday admitted the hunt for a “rebounding devil” has started after San Miguel-Team Pilipinas absorbed a hard-to-swallow 76-84 defeat at the hands of Jordan on Monday, effectively knocking out the Filipinos of their chase for a slot in the Beijing Olympics next year.



And the confirmation came from no less than SBP president Manny Pangilinan, who openly spoke about possibilities of tapping foreigners to help lead the country back on track towards a possible Olympic outing in 2012 in London.



“You’ve seen a number of them. Nakita mo si (Rasheim) Wright (of Jordan), yung pumatay sa atin? Amerikano ‘yon,” Pangilinan said. “Kailangan naman medyo balansehin natin. Pero huwag naman wholesale nating i-naturalize sila because the victory will be hollow.”



Grogorio, meanwhile, claims it’s one of the best options left for the Philippines after the Philippines’ Asi Taulava, Eric Menk, Mick Pennissi and Kerby Raymundo — all standing above 6-foot-6, were looked down by their taller counterparts in the ongoing Fiba-Asia Championship, where the Philippines is now fighting for a best finish of ninth place.



“Records don’t lie, we’re always outrebounded by opponents,” Gregorio said. “Fiba rules allow a country to have two naturalized players. Maybe we can avail of that, get a devil of a rebounder.”



The thought was first entertained by the coaching staff, led by Chot Reyes, shortly after taking a glance of the Tokushima opposition in three international sorties before their Japan trip. The Nationals played in Tehran, Thailand and in the Jones Cup in Taiwan, where they saw most teams beefed up with naturalized foreign players.



Among the countries which employ naturalized players are Lebanon (Joe Vogel), Jordan (Rasheem Wright), Japan (JR Henderson) and Korea (Daniel Sandrin).



Tapping naturalized players is not new to the Philippines. Former national coach Ron Jacobs had Chip Engeland, Ricky Brown, Dennis Still and Jeff Moore in his team prior to the 1986 revolt that disbanded the basketball program of sports patron Danding Cojuangco.



Pangilinan said the SBP has to move on, not sulk at the Philippines’ missed chance at an Olympic berth.



“How depressed am I? Honestly? Very depressed,” Pangilinan said. “Sabi nga ni Chot, we’re bleeding. Para sa bansa ’yun.”



“It’s not the end of the world for Philippine basketball. But sometimes, minsan, talagang nakakawala ng pag-asa,” he said. “Sometimes you think, ‘ganito na lang ba?’ Parang, ‘O my God, will we ever make it?’ You find yourself asking that question. Tao ka lang, ’di ba? But there’s still tomorrow. We just have to do better.”



“Sometimes there are more lessons to be learned from losing than from winning. Let’s learn from it. We should be able to analyze what we need to do.”

Joescoundrel
08-01-2007, 11:24 AM
They should talk to Tim Cone since he was supposedly in pursuit of KEVIN GARNET a couple years back. The tabloid sportswriters said Cone claimed the 10-time NBA All Star and former MVP supposedly had PINOY blood! He'd fit right in at 7-feet tall and having led the NBA in rebounding the last four seasons averaging over 13 boards per game. ;D

pachador
08-01-2007, 11:49 AM
very interesting... totoo na lumabas sa tabloids yan noon? interesting.......



They should talk to Tim Cone since he was supposedly in pursuit of KEVIN GARNET a couple years back. The tabloid sportswriters said Cone claimed the 10-time NBA All Star and former MVP supposedly had PINOY blood! He'd fit right in at 7-feet tall and having led the NBA in rebounding the last four seasons averaging over 13 boards per game. ;D

oca
08-01-2007, 12:08 PM
They should talk to Tim Cone since he was supposedly in pursuit of KEVIN GARNET a couple years back. The tabloid sportswriters said Cone claimed the 10-time NBA All Star and former MVP supposedly had PINOY blood! He'd fit right in at 7-feet tall and having led the NBA in rebounding the last four seasons averaging over 13 boards per game. ;D


Di ko alam kung ako ay matatawa, magugulat o ano.

Ano pa man, he has been part of US Team in a FIBA event. So, dehins na pwede.

patupup
08-01-2007, 03:40 PM
They should talk to Tim Cone since he was supposedly in pursuit of KEVIN GARNET a couple years back. The tabloid sportswriters said Cone claimed the 10-time NBA All Star and former MVP supposedly had PINOY blood! He'd fit right in at 7-feet tall and having led the NBA in rebounding the last four seasons averaging over 13 boards per game. ;D

grabe, natawa talaga ako dito... kahit san ko tignan, la ako makitang resemblance ng pagiging pinoy ni Kevin Garnett e... unless middle name niya DELA CRUZ, as in Kevin DelaCruz Garnett, hehehe... ;D

shyboy
08-01-2007, 03:49 PM
^ Or Kevin COSME Garnett :D

pio_valenz
08-01-2007, 03:50 PM
Pinoy talaga si Kevin Garnett, walang kaduda-duda.

Si Kevin Garnett Raymundo, that is. *;D That's the name Kerby gave to his firstborn.

mighty_lion
08-01-2007, 05:50 PM
OT:

Baka ito mas malapit pang mapagkamalang pinoy. Tsaran..... RUDY FERNANDEZ ;D

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/rudyfernandez.asp

AnthonyServinio
08-02-2007, 12:18 AM
They should talk to Tim Cone since he was supposedly in pursuit of KEVIN GARNET a couple years back. The tabloid sportswriters said Cone claimed the 10-time NBA All Star and former MVP supposedly had PINOY blood! He'd fit right in at 7-feet tall and having led the NBA in rebounding the last four seasons averaging over 13 boards per game. ;D


Di ko alam kung ako ay matatawa, magugulat o ano.

Ano pa man, he has been part of US Team in a FIBA event. So, dehins na pwede.

* * *IF there is someone who is or used to be part of the Timberwolves organization who we have to monitor, it is swingman Doug West, who I believe is married to a 100% Pinay.* Their son or daughter should have good genetics coming that will serve our local teams well in the near future.

joelex
08-02-2007, 01:34 AM
di nako magugulat kung pinoy si garnett. si pennisi nga, pinoy daw eh. ;D

another NBA player said to have a pure pinay wife is ron artest. a friend of mine who lives in queens, NY said that artest and his wife are regulars in a popular Filipino resto in the queens area.

pachador
08-02-2007, 06:55 AM
we await the analysis of 6'11" Greg Slaughter's first college game in the Philippines this sabado August 4. We await with eagerness the verdict on his current skills, speed, defense , offense, toughness, etc.... and is there room for improvement....

pachador
08-05-2007, 05:45 AM
Slaughter mania’
By Marian C. Baring
Sun.Star Staff Reporter

THE Cebu Coliseum was filled until 9:30 p.m. all because everyone wanted to have a glimpse of Filipino-American 6-foot-11wonder, Gregory Slaughter, who played in his debut game with University of the Visayas Green Lancers in yesterday’s main offering of the Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation Inc. (Cesafi) opening.

UV, with its all-star powerhouse cast, defeated the University of Cebu Webmasters, 119-110, in an unusual backdoor win for
the defending champion UV.

“All these people are here to see who this Slaughter person is,” said Cesafi commissioner Felix Tiukinhoy.

The game started in what could be a drag, until the 4:28 mark in the first period, when Slaughter was fielded in and scored on a breakaway lay-up.

Such is the Slaughter-mania that that simple move sent the coliseum into pandemonium.

Slaughter was under the microscope, people shouted his name and every little chance that he was open for a shot the crowd tells the Lancers to give Slaughter the ball.

“I am just so overwhelmed at the attention that he is getting,” said Slaughter’s father William.

William said that he was surprised that even the taxi drivers know his son’s name.

Despite all the bustle about him, Slaughter, however, had a lackluster game as he was given little play time, and scored only two baskets. On both occasions, the crowd went crazy.

He, however, was a major force at the post as anyone attempting to drive for the basket, changes his mind and backs off.

“He was nervous before the game, but he was able to compose himself during the game. I think he did pretty well considering this is his first game in front of a very large crowd,” said William.

UV also proved that it is not a one-man team, as head coach Elmer “Boy” Cabahug banked on his regulars to take control of the game.

This was not the case in the early goings of the game as UV found itself at the mercy of the UC Webmasters, who seemed undaunted by their opponents’ size.

UC, playing with passion and gusto and a tenacious defense to boot, dominated the early part of the game, and built up a 10-point lead, 69-59, at the start of the penultimate round behind the resiliency of Jonathan Canceran, Allain Abellanosa and rookie Rommel Luceño.

The third frame was the turning point of the game. UC started the quarter leading in double digits and ended it lagging behind by nine points.

The turnaround came as UV’s Harlou Villanil, Ariel Mepaña, Michael Luga and Chris Diputado initiated a 15-5 run, which turned the game around for good.

When the dust settled, Luga topscored for UV with 24 points, while Villanil, who used to play for UC, scattered 20 points in his first game as a Lancer.

pachador
08-08-2007, 07:08 AM
Here's is a PEX post from Bchemist, the trainer of Eman Samigue and Sonny Thoss:

Today, 03:32 AM Aug 7, 2007
Bchemist

Location: Eclipsegym.com Well I'm from Chicago (born and trained), as many of you know, and I am training my local staff to be fully experienced (over the 2-3 years it takes) and independent from me when it comes to coaching NBA caliber players in strength and conditioning. I learned from a Russian coach (my first) and then as an apprentice/assistant under the Bulls, DePaul, UIC, Loyola, and wherever else I could gain access in my free time.

So we indeed need to learn from somewhere or from someone who innovates. Many of you forum regulars know who I've trained or helped to advise who are now showing big improvement (Thoss, Eman, JRU) and soon Toyota, Henkel (hopefully the entire team this time). But just as I am teaching my guys, I had to learn from someone. I'm standing on the shoulders of the giants who came before me and without their foundation, I couldn't create my own systems.

That said, RP basketball has MORE than enough skills and strategy. God knows that skills is NOT the issue. What's lacking is strength, conditioning, AND (and this is a BIG "and") the ability to recruit and support the big men from Mindanao. Samigue Eman alone has 3 brothers who are between 6'6"-6'8" in height and are all in their late teens and early 20's. I've been to the southern areas and have also seen plenty of giants roaming around with nothing to do.

If Bulgaria can dominate weightlifting in the Olympics as it did, simply by searching for athletes with the raw genetics and grooming them (and the country had less than 1 million people), then the PI can EASILY groom a gold medal team.

The politics just has to stop. Even from where I stand, I can see the politics and insecurities. Both big companies as well as insecure coaches stand in the way of a gold medal or an Olympic berth. It's mainly about either business or status quo. Disgusting, but it's really that simple in so many cases. I could say a GREAT DEAL more by naming names and organizations who stand in the way of a gold medal team, but it's not worth it. Those who want to win will find a way to do so, eventually. Basketball is life here.


Reply:

Today, 06:59 AM
pachador
Hey mga PEXers,

can someone get Bchemist to make a lecture slide presentation before the SBP officials on the importance of barbell training for strength and speed. Whats the evidence? just look at all the soft giants in the PBA. =(
and to you Bchemist, I know you can help, but just a piece of unsolicited advice if you dont mind. As much as your a upfront person, you may need to find a way to be patient and massage the egos of insecure people. Thats life ! =(

on a personal level, I used to lift weights a lot although I don't lift heavy anymore and I am now down to maintenance because I am older na, and I can tell you, when you are strong, even if the defender is 6 inches taller but a skinny weakling, you can push him aside.

I am pretty sure that a serious strength and speed training program for our giants will do wonders for the national team that there is no need to naturalize. when I say strength and speed training program, I mean the hardcore one including Russian powerlifting. Boom !!!
You will see Slaughter and Eman turn into monsters !!!

Bchemist, are you serious that Eman has 3 other giant brothers?

Wang-Bu
08-08-2007, 11:14 AM
Bukod sa pagsasaka naglalaro man lang kaya ng basketball kahit sa ligang kalye ang mga sinasabing matatangkad na utol ni Eman?

At kung may alam sila sa laro bakit si Samigue lang ang naririnig natin, bakit tila tahimik ang kanyang mga utol?

pachador
08-08-2007, 11:44 AM
thats a good question... hmmmm.




Bukod sa pagsasaka naglalaro man lang kaya ng basketball kahit sa ligang kalye ang mga sinasabing matatangkad na utol ni Eman?

At kung may alam sila sa laro bakit si Samigue lang ang naririnig natin, bakit tila tahimik ang kanyang mga utol?

yungha
08-08-2007, 11:49 AM
^ if samigue has brothers (take note, more than 1!) 6'6 - 6'8, that's further proof of the the BAP's ineptness and inefficiency. if these guys are in their late teens or early 20s it's almost too late to give them specialized training - dapat mga 14-15 pa lang tine-train na. but then again, highly gifted athletes like olajuwon and sam ekwe started late too so there might still be a chance for samigue's brothers.

Wang-Bu
08-08-2007, 11:52 AM
^ if samigue has brothers (take note, more than 1!) 6'6 - 6'8, that's further proof of the the BAP's ineptness and inefficiency. if these guys are in their late teens or early 20s it's almost too late to give them specialized training - dapat mga 14-15 pa lang tine-train na. but then again, highly gifted athletes like olajuwon and sam ekwe started late too so there might still be a chance for samigue's brothers.


Sir Yungha baka naman applicable lang sa mga Aprikano 'yan, heh-heh!

pachador
08-08-2007, 01:16 PM
you know guys this may be related to this mindanao giants. During the american colonial rule, hundreds of american soldiers were given land parcel homesteads in Momungan, Lanao and other parts of mindanao. They settled there and married the visayan women. till today, you can still see some mestiso or "ugis" descendants in Momungan(now called Baroy or Baloi). The rest of the descendants have scattered all over mindanao or moved back to the US such as the Chaloners, Petersens, Willkoms, Paige, Andrews, etc . I remember my grandmother telling me about this big black american named William who liked to travel around mindanao in his big motorcycle. who knows he probably sired some big descendants including Balingit(?) who is also from Lanao ;). I also had a schoolmate in high school in mindanao who had distincly african curly hair. he was around 5'10" but his hands were so huge the basketball looked like a volleyball in his hands. we called him Bineg or bisayang negro and he was very flamboyant playing like those Harlem globetrotters like he would pretend to fall down then keep dribbling whille lying on the ground or dribbling while kneeling.

pachador
08-09-2007, 12:24 AM
Slaughter scores 11 points in his 2nd game !!! :

Lancers zap Wildcats in fight-marred battle
By Gabby G. Malagar
Thursday, August 9, 2007
Michael Luga finished what Harlow Villanil started as the University of the Visayas (UV) Green Lancers smothered the Cebu Institute of Technology (CIT) Wildcats, 99-61, in a tumultuous match marred by a near-fight and two ejections in last night’s 7th Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation, Inc. (CESAFI) basketball tournament at the Cebu Coliseum.

From a sluggish start, the Lancers caught fire in the second period but not after allowing the Wildcats to take a 10-0 start and a 13-3 lead in the early goings.

Villanil heaved the go-ahead riple, 19-18, and was already unstoppable in the second period hitting three consecutive triples that sent a stern warning to the opposition as the Lancers took a 46-33 halftime lead.

The third period was a virtual shooting clinic by the Lancers, while the Wildcats were in disarray groping for points they could hardly find when the former employed a solid trapping defense.

It was when Luga, a rookie but a veteran in the commercial derby, took turns in scoring with the Lancers ripping the game apart with a eye-popping 39-point advantage with just a few seconds before the final buzzer.

The Wildcats themselves prolonged their agony when Ryan Montealto was thrown out in the final 1:44 of the contest for throwing an elbow on Chris Victor Diputado. In retaliation, Diputado lunged a hard foul against Montealto that also caused his ejection.

CIT coach Alex de la Torre’s temper also flared up when CIT was slapped with a bench technical during the slight commotion.

In the ensuing play, Dexter Capaning and a rugged UV defender Ritchum Dennison figured in a heated altercation when Capaning reacted on an offensive foul by Dennison, which was already decided by the referee time with 1:15 left to play. Some players from both benches attempted to run into the centercourt but the proverbial coder heads prevailed in putting the situation under control.

Luga, who was fielded only late in the third period until the end of the match, led the Lancers with 19 points, while Villanil had 18 points. Even Fil-Am Gregory Fuentes Slaughter joined in the scoring fray as he exploited his height advantage scoring 11 points. Von Harry Lanete and Bonifer Sendrijas had identical 12 points for the Lancers, who have now accumulated an overall 70-1 win-loss record in six years.

The scores

UV (Srs.) (99) - Luga 19, Villanil 18, Lanete 12, Sendrijas 12, Slaughter 11, Tancongco 5, Berame 4, Mepaña 4, Lao 4, Dennison 3, Diputado 2

CIT (Srs.) (61) - Abobo 19, Aniñon 9, Resilla 6, Reyes 6, Montealto 5, Villarba 5, Dela Cerna 4, Lamosa 3, Molero 2, Capaning 2

pachador
08-09-2007, 01:23 AM
Bchemist's reply:

All in good time my friend. I think many are taking a "wait and see" perspective, which is fine by me. JRU has just won 5 straight games and they rotate their starters in a way that there is NO true starting lineup for the team anymore. Their Coach basically benches anyone who is not playing like a team player and will start someone else in his place, or will pull a guy once he tries to take over a game and put in someone else who is equally talented now that said player is confident via his strength and speed. When you now have a 10 man rotation, it's easy to do as a coach and not blink. Note I said that I'm training a team that was considered "good" but they are now toying with their opponents...experimenting before the Final 4. Nobody, (even I'm not sure) knows exactly what they are capable of doing, but I have my ideas since I see what they can do in the gym with respect to their strength and stamina, so that's where my insight will end

With Eman going probably #1, that's another statment, after being rehabbed/trained while recovering from TB.

The next statement is the improvement of Sonny Thoss, who stood alone while other teams had the luxury of rotating 3 players on him. Note that he can run neck-and-neck with the point guards on a fast break. Compare that with another 6'8" player like Sam Ekwe, who lumbers like a snail with a cramp. If there's a fast break where he is playing, whether it be the NCAA or Magnolia, he's just crossing mid-court while the ball is already contested on the backboard or nearby.

The reason I point out Ekwe is since it was a topic of conversation on a similar thread. I'm not trying to play NCAA politics here like I do in other forums, but rather pointing out the obvious that this "import" is as slow as a glacier and it's due to his lack of strength and conditioning. His height and skill wouldn't even get him a 2nd look at a Division II school in the States. There's no way a Division I school would take him since he's way too slow. The PBL Pinoy players completely shut him down and showed that height is irrelevant if you do not have the strength and stamina to go with it. Part of being strong, as you know, is to have the strength to move those long legs that appear to me as tooth-picks.

In the case of Eman, I estimate his squat right now at 335lbs if we were to test it. My goal is to get him to the NBA range of 500+ lbs for big men like Alonzo and Shaquille. I'll need another 2 years to make this happen, but it's something that should have been done in his college years. Let this stand as a point as to how far behind we are in strength and conditioning if he needs to go to a private strength coach to get what he could not get in college. Now we're playing "catch-up".

You are dead on accurate here. Look at JRU. They are not a tall team, but have beaten their last 5 opponents, easily so, who out-match them with height. They win because of physical, ugly-ball, smash-mouth defense.

With respect to insecurity, as I said, those who want to win will eventually humble themselves to seek out specialists. I'm not the only one in the country, but I'm one of less than 10 (but that's conservative...outside of our organization I'd put it at maybe 2-3).
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Originally Posted by pachador
Bchemist, are you serious that Eman has 3 other giant brothers?

Yes. And they are all college age. As soon as Sam gets officially drafted and gets his first paycheck, he's going to start working on getting them up here to begin training. I'm working with him as well as some local university administrators to get that started ASAP, even if I have to spend out-of-pocket to make it happen.

The Eman family is going to produce some incredible players.

pachador
08-09-2007, 01:55 AM
Another PEX post:

Bchemist:
What is with this "Sam Ekwe is God" crap. Ekwe is a snail on prednisone. He was eaten alive in the PBL and woudn't even get a glimpse as an import to the PBA. If you want to develop his basketball skills, let him practice with the RP team.

Practice with Ekwe. Sheesh...practicing on NBA Live would be more effective. That big Nigerian waste-of-space will be irrelevant to basketball as soon as he graduates.
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Today, 01:46 AM* * #122*
pachador :
Maybe Bchemist can send one of his henchman trainers to do some Russian style powerlifting for Slaughter da butcher* How I wish Eman, Slaughter , Thoss and Aguilar will be the quadruple terrors in the shaded lane for the RP team starting 2 years from now.
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Today, 01:48 AM* * #123*
Bchemist:

I'll train him for free. Just send him to me. I'm not kidding. I even have a room above Eclipse Mabini for him to live for free in Le Mirage de Malate condo.
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Pachador:
OK, there guys, Bchemist is offering his help for free to train Slaughter. It does not have to be free, if someone in the basketball leafership are in their right senses.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bchemist*
I'll train him for free. Just send him to me. I'm not kidding. I even have a room above Eclipse Mabini for him to live for free in Le Mirage de Malate condo.

LION
08-09-2007, 07:18 AM
^ And the virus might soon spread in gameface. ;D

Kid Cubao
08-09-2007, 08:29 AM
matanung ko lang: is bchemist a proponent of the bulgarian weight training system? if so, may kaalaman ako dyan. i can help demystify it here if people want to ;D

pachador
08-09-2007, 08:30 AM
I'm not sure what your referring too , but whatever rivalry or enmity there is between san beda and JRU or any team for that matter, is not my interest here. *I'm cross-posting here only with reference to the RP national team alone. *Peace companero :)



^ And the virus might soon spread in gameface.* *;D

pachador
08-09-2007, 08:31 AM
sige kidcubao. go ahead. Ang alam ko from reading his posts is that one of his teachers was Russian so does that mean that Russian=Eastbloc kapareho sa Bulgarian system?



matanung ko lang: is bchemist a proponent of the bulgarian weight training system? if so, may kaalaman ako dyan. i can help demystify it here if people want to ;D

Kid Cubao
08-09-2007, 08:58 AM
not necessarily, pachador. the bulgarian system came about as a result of the abuses of the russian system. for people who many not be aware of it, all the great russian lifters like vassily alexhiev are superheavyweights, while many of the legendary bulgarian lifters are from the lighter classes but are able to lift almost three times their bodyweight over their heads. that's because anabolic substances will build muscle and raise your body weight to stupendous levels. the bulgarian system, in contrast, relies more on kinesics and a brutal training regimen, and i mean brutal.

the bulgarian sytem is based on the "one-rep maximum" principle, which one tries to do throughout the day and is also known as the "daily max." one must not sacrifice technique, though, because this can lead to injury.

ganito lang yan: let's suppose you max out at the bench press at 150 lbs., at the squats at 250 lbs., the deadlift at 400 lbs., and the power clean at around 120 lbs. i would break up the workout session like this: bench and deadlift on mondays and thursdays, squats and power clean on tuesdays and fridays, active rest on wednesdays and weekends (which means any strenuous activity other than weightlifting).

ang gagawin mo lang ay mag-warm up set ka hanggang umabot ka sa daily max mo for each lift, at uulit-ulitin mo ito throughout the day. gains can be achieved in dramatic time. entiendes? ;D

LION
08-09-2007, 10:32 AM
I'm not sure what your referring too , but whatever rivalry or enmity there is between san beda and JRU or any team for that matter, is not my interest here. *I'm cross-posting here only with reference to the RP national team alone. *Peace companero* :)



^ And the virus might soon spread in gameface.* *;D





No problem companero. There is no rivalry or enmity between San Beda and JRU. :)

pachador
08-09-2007, 11:51 AM
Ah cubao nino, muy claro talaga. barbelista ka pala amigo.* hanggang ngayon nag-babarbell pa rin ako pero hindi na ako nag-pu-puersa sa max sets, maintener na lang ako pero maraming cardio na ensayo sa calsada, basketbol court at siempre sa kama kasama sa cute na chika segurado yun. its good for the heart* ;D



not necessarily, pachador. the bulgarian system came about as a result of the abuses of the russian system. for people who many not be aware of it, all the great russian lifters like vassily alexhiev are superheavyweights, while many of the legendary bulgarian lifters are from the lighter classes but are able to lift almost three times their bodyweight over their heads. that's because anabolic substances will build muscle and raise your body weight to stupendous levels. the bulgarian system, in contrast, relies more on kinesics and a brutal training regimen, and i mean brutal.

the bulgarian sytem is based on the "one-rep maximum" principle, which one tries to do throughout the day and is also known as the "daily max." one must not sacrifice technique, though, because this can lead to injury.

ganito lang yan: let's suppose you max out at the bench press at 150 lbs., at the squats at 250 lbs., the deadlift at 400 lbs., and the power clean at around 120 lbs. i would break up the workout session like this: bench and deadlift on mondays and thursdays, squats and power clean on tuesdays and fridays, active rest on wednesdays and weekends (which means any strenuous activity other than weightlifting).

ang gagawin mo lang ay mag-warm up set ka hanggang umabot ka sa daily max mo for each lift, at uulit-ulitin mo ito throughout the day. gains can be achieved in dramatic time. entiendes? ;D

pio_valenz
08-09-2007, 08:08 PM
^Magaling talaga sa weightlifting si Cubao. Ang specialty niya ay barbells weighing 320ml at may tatak na San Mig Light. Nakaka lima hanggang pitong reps yan per session. ;D

batangueño
08-09-2007, 08:39 PM
A boy in his teens and is already 6'7"+ tall. Is it just genetics or the effect of Cherifer?

JonarSabilano
08-10-2007, 09:19 AM
Here's a pic of the 17-year-old 6'11" Jerico de Guzman that I found on Interbasket:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/sicksoul/RoseBday0720015.jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg

Kid Cubao
08-10-2007, 09:43 AM
^Magaling talaga sa weightlifting si Cubao. Ang specialty niya ay barbells weighing 320ml at may tatak na San Mig Light. Nakaka lima hanggang pitong reps yan per session. ;D

aba, di birong magbuhat ng san mig light lalo na kung abutin ka ng hatinggabi o pa-morningan ;D

jonar, before japeth aguilar went to the states, he mentioned to some friends of mine that there are kids in his part of pampanga who are even taller than him. if you will notice, jerico de guzman is posing with japeth's dad, who's 6'6. nagmukha syang normal sized dito, samantalang yung ginang na pumapagitna sa kanila ay nagmistulang walking doll ;D

JonarSabilano
08-10-2007, 09:54 AM
^Magaling talaga sa weightlifting si Cubao. Ang specialty niya ay barbells weighing 320ml at may tatak na San Mig Light. Nakaka lima hanggang pitong reps yan per session. ;D

aba, di birong magbuhat ng san mig light lalo na kung abutin ka ng hatinggabi o pa-morningan ;D

jonar, before japeth aguilar went to the states, he mentioned to some friends of mine that there are kids in his part of pampanga who are even taller than him.

You mean meron pang iba?* :o Somebody get Mekeni to sponsor a UAAP team, quick!

Kid Cubao
08-10-2007, 10:30 AM
jonar, actually one of them is already in FEU. i won't be surprised if the other giant is already committed to don anton and mark molina. sabi ni japeth, isa dun sa mga higanteng yun ay nadiskubre sa bilyaran at mas kilala dahil ang lakas mangharang sa nine-ball ;D

JonarSabilano
08-10-2007, 10:39 AM
Huwaw. Ano kaya ang pinapakain nila sa mga bata sa Pampanga at nagsisistangkaran sila? ???

Sam Miguel
08-10-2007, 10:47 AM
The central and northern regions of Luzon are famous for producing tall people: Marlou Aquino and Danny Ildefonso are from Pangasinan, ditto Dennis Espino (has some Kapampangan blood as well). Rommel Adducul is from the Mountain Province. Leo Najorda is from Ilocos.

yungha
08-10-2007, 10:53 AM
so, jericho de guzman is not an urban legend. i hope he develops into a beast.

warning, i'm going to rant again about the BAP - we should have trained these young giants starting when they were 14-16 years old. jericho i understand is about to enter college and if we only start giving him specialized training now its almost too late. magiging dom yabut lang yan (no offense to dom). in other countries,18-20 year-olds like jericho would have aleady mastered the fundamentals like shooting, footwork, ballhandling. they've also well-defined biceps and muscled calves by then, indicative of stength and explosiveness. look at jericho in the pic - walang definition whatsoever. sana mahabol pa.

anyway, seeing jericho alongside the aguilars in the pic, does this mean that the kid's in the states for college?

yungha
08-10-2007, 11:16 AM
and speaking of the 6'8 dom yabut, taga-pampanga din yun di ba?

pachador
08-10-2007, 11:45 AM
si peter aguilar yan diba? yung katabi ni Jericho\??
The legend is alive !!! Giants roam the plains of Pampanga...



Here's a pic of the 17-year-old 6'11" Jerico de Guzman that I found on Interbasket:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/sicksoul/RoseBday0720015.jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg

pachador
08-10-2007, 11:50 AM
i read somewhere that one of the tribes in mt. province is the tallest native tribe in the philippines. I'm not sure if thats were Senador Biazon comes from, but I know Biazon is a 6 footer.



The central and northern regions of Luzon are famous for producing tall people: Marlou Aquino and Danny Ildefonso are from Pangasinan, ditto Dennis Espino (has some Kapampangan blood as well). Rommel Adducul is from the Mountain Province. Leo Najorda is from Ilocos.

Jaco D
08-10-2007, 01:13 PM
Huwaw. Ano kaya ang pinapakain nila sa mga bata sa Pampanga at nagsisistangkaran sila?* ???


Hmmm, Pampanga.* Toxic waste kaya from Clark?

batangueño
08-10-2007, 06:11 PM
Here's a pic of the 17-year-old 6'11" Jerico de Guzman that I found on Interbasket:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/sicksoul/RoseBday0720015.jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg

Ah. So, their height really runs in the blood. I was thinking that the kid was but a product of the combination of Growee and Cherifer. ;D

Well anyway, I am also going to ask the same question, but with some modification. Ano nga bang ipinapakain ng mga taga-Pampanga at kahit ng mga taga-Davao (6'11" Samigue Eman as a classic example) at tumatangkad sila nang ganun samantalang karamihan ng mga Tagalog ay ano... eh... kwan... pandak? ???

BLUE HORSE
08-10-2007, 08:06 PM
Yungha,*

I believe the status of Jericho was mentioned by my batch mate, Blue Ram.* The family of Jericho are immigrants in the States.* Blue Ram ran into him in one of the Pinoy basketball leagues in a Chicago suburbs.* Malayo siya kay Japeth but de Guzman is utilizing the same blue print plans that Japeth used to earn a college scholarship.* The family is investing in the same personal trainer used by Japeth kahit medyo mahal.

In talking to Blue Ram a few weeks back, the best case scenario is for de Guzman to hook up with a junior college team that has a good basketball program.* He will get the necessary trainning and get the necessary exposure to division 1 colleges by the time he earns his associate degree in 2 years.* Since he is quite young, I mentioned that the family should look into either not sending him to school right away but work on his game on a daily basis for a year in the hopes of attracting division 1 offers.* The other is for him to spend an extra year in a powerhouse prep school like Oak Hill, Winchendon, or Mt. Zion.* My suggestions costs money and I am not sure if the family has the funds though some prep schools do offer some aid.* The family of de Guzman should ask one of the coaches of Japeth for advice as they gave contacts in other schools, JC or prep schools.

Before people blast the BAP, remember that Jericho passed through the doors of both Ateneo and FEU.* The coaches just saw him as a tall, raw project who stood 6' 7-8" at that time.* Shorter players basically ran rings around him as he was part of FEU team Bfor almost a year before heading to the States.

yungha
08-10-2007, 09:17 PM
Before people blast the BAP, remember that Jericho passed through the doors of both Ateneo and FEU.* The coaches just saw him as a tall, raw project who stood 6' 7-8" at that time.* Shorter players basically ran rings around him as he was part of FEU team Bfor almost a year before heading to the States.


my point exactly. we always complain that our primary disadvantage is lack of height, yet here we are with literally dozens of eager 6'7-6'11 youngsters and yet these youngsters approach 17-18 years without any semblance of formal training. there's no big man's camp, no individual coaching, no strength and conditioning program, no efforts to send the best and brightest to foreign camps. if not for their varsity coaches if they do manage to enter a varsity program, most of these young giants are left to fend for themselves.

don't blame Ateneo and FEU if they rejected jericho, for why waste a scholarship on a clumsy, out-of-shape, unskilled beanpole. if the BAP did its job in the first place which is develop players at the grassroots level, jericho would have been swamped with scholarship offers perhaps even from US Division 1 schools.

it's actually quite discouraging to hear that here's this 6'11 kid yet he's not good enough to play for a UAAP team. i'll mince no words here, but he must really stink. but like i said before, sana mahabol pa.

AnthonyServinio
08-11-2007, 12:34 AM
and speaking of the 6'8 dom yabut, taga-pampanga din yun di ba?

No, Don Yabut is from Isabela Province. I just gathered from one of his provincemates that Don is right now in the Middle East as an OFW. He left after the last PBL conference ended.

Ghostrider
08-11-2007, 09:35 AM
Before people blast the BAP, remember that Jericho passed through the doors of both Ateneo and FEU.* The coaches just saw him as a tall, raw project who stood 6' 7-8" at that time.* Shorter players basically ran rings around him as he was part of FEU team Bfor almost a year before heading to the States.


He's the guy I saw tryout for Ateneo awhile back together with Eman Monfort.

Put it this way. Eman was the best player on the court and I had a scathing report on him at the time. It was like watching those 7 footers of China and Japan circa 1970. Pabalik na sila Eman on defense, siya papunta pa lang on offense. Medyo flat footed tumakbo at parating nakayuko (baka nahihiya sa tangkad).

That being said, the flaws maybe correctible. I hope he achieves his basketball dreams.

toti_mendiola
08-11-2007, 10:41 AM
Nung nakita ko iyong picture sa taas eh naalala ko si Giovanni Pineda.

BLUE HORSE
08-11-2007, 05:02 PM
Before people blast the BAP, remember that Jericho passed through the doors of both Ateneo and FEU.* The coaches just saw him as a tall, raw project who stood 6' 7-8" at that time.* Shorter players basically ran rings around him as he was part of FEU team Bfor almost a year before heading to the States.


He's the guy I saw tryout for Ateneo awhile back together with Eman Monfort.

Put it this way.* Eman was the best player on the court and I had a scathing report on him at the time.* It was like watching those 7 footers of China and Japan circa 1970.* Pabalik na sila Eman on defense, siya papunta pa lang on offense.* Medyo flat footed tumakbo at parating nakayuko (baka nahihiya sa tangkad).

That being said, the flaws maybe correctible.* I hope he achieves his basketball dreams.


For somebody who spent close to a year in FEU team B, there was very little improvement. Granted he had a growth spurt and his body was still adjusting to his new height, Jericho's stamina never improved. Definitely a long range project. The first course of business is to work on his stamina, agility and strength before the basketball skills can be addressed.

It would have served Jericho if he had played high school ball for a bigger program like one of the UAAP or NCAA schools. Being a kabalen, Aric del Rosario and the godfather of Pampanga basketball, Boy Pineda, routinely bring Pampanga players to play in Manila. The problem of stamina, agility, athleticism and strength could have been addressed at an early stage. He would also have been afforded the necessary competition he sorely lacks. One thing going for him is height, that is one thing one can not teach. You either have it or not.

I hope he catches on with a decent program in the future. He is suppose to attend a Pinoy tournament in DC as part of the Chicago team.

pachador
08-12-2007, 04:46 AM
in my opinion, one big reason he has a hard time is because he has almost no muscles. a hard push from a big 6'5" player will easily throw him off-balance. he needs to add muscles and weight to his body plus speed and lateral movement training. he can be skilled but if he is weak, then he will have a hard time.









Before people blast the BAP, remember that Jericho passed through the doors of both Ateneo and FEU.* The coaches just saw him as a tall, raw project who stood 6' 7-8" at that time.* Shorter players basically ran rings around him as he was part of FEU team Bfor almost a year before heading to the States.


He's the guy I saw tryout for Ateneo awhile back together with Eman Monfort.

Put it this way.* Eman was the best player on the court and I had a scathing report on him at the time.* It was like watching those 7 footers of China and Japan circa 1970.* Pabalik na sila Eman on defense, siya papunta pa lang on offense.* Medyo flat footed tumakbo at parating nakayuko (baka nahihiya sa tangkad).

That being said, the flaws maybe correctible.* I hope he achieves his basketball dreams.


For somebody who spent close to a year in FEU team B, there was very little improvement.* Granted he had a growth spurt and his body was still adjusting to his new height, Jericho's stamina never improved.* Definitely a long range project.* The first course of business is to work on his stamina, agility and strength before the basketball skills can be addressed.

It would have served Jericho if he had played high school ball for a bigger program like one of the UAAP or NCAA schools.* Being a kabalen, Aric del Rosario and the godfather of Pampanga basketball, Boy Pineda, routinely bring Pampanga players to play in Manila.* The problem of stamina, agility, athleticism and strength could have been addressed at an early stage.* He would also have been afforded the necessary competition he sorely lacks.* One thing going for him is height, that is one thing one can not teach.* You either have it or not.

I hope he catches on with a decent program in the future.* He is suppose to attend a Pinoy tournament in DC as part of the Chicago team.

pachador
08-12-2007, 10:14 AM
Bchemist's Aug 11, 2007 barbell progress report on Eman Samigue from PEX: SBP needs to do this with the other young giants too....specially Jericho who is so skinny and also Slaughter to add muscle for those pushing and shoving in the shaded area. I can't wait to see how Eman will do in the PBA. if he gets better it will be good for the RP team:

Eman report: He's at 100% and ready, weighing in at a solid 252lbs :o with less than 9% bodyfat. Since we do conditioning training that makes absolute strength a secondary goal, I'll estimate his gym numbers at the following (with some actual lifts):

Actual Power Clean: 215lbs pulled from the floor.

Actual Deadlift: 375lbs x 5 reps

Estimated maximum: 435lbs (no belt or special gear)

Estimated full squat: 335lbs

Estimated standing push jerk (push/military press): 205lbs

Estimated bench press: 245lbs (he never benches, but this is a low conservative estimate based on his push press and dips numbers)

Actual parallel bar dips: 275lbs x 5 reps (bodyweight + 25lbs)

Actual pullups 295lbs (Bodyweight +45lbs)

Vertical leap : his elbow is at the rim...* :o* which would put his forehead slightly above the rim.* *:o

He's still a few weeks away from his peak where I'll have to deload him and take his training into another direction to strengthen weak links. Again, my end goal is a solid 285lbs since his frame can easily accomodate it. This can happen in 1 year once he starts getting a regular paycheck and can buy more quality food and supplements such as essential minerals. (Side Note: Samigue is a prime example of a future RP Team cornerstone who must get by on limited funds before he goes pro. Even in my case, I donate my personal time to train him since pure strength and conditioning specialists are so far and few between...especially those willing to sponsor a future superstar. This should be a lesson to all of those wondering why the RP team lags behind. It's due to the lack of support for YOUNG players. If they don't get help IMMEDIATELY in their teens once they show promise, they'll be playing catch-up once they are nearing pro or at the pro level. China starts grooming players with full support in their early teens...and this is why they can dominate so suddenly and thoroughly.) Even at 250lbs he looks intimidating (VERY), but not at all bulky. An additional 30lbs on his legs and back might net a 2-3" in chest/lat measurement and 1-2" increase in his quads.

I have not seen him practice lately, but those who have seen him scrimmage have said that those unfortunate enough to have to guard him get a dose of punishment like never before. After they guard him once, they never want to do it again.

Tuesday should be an exciting day. There are other players in the draft that we are training, but they are not as far along in their training as is Samigue. Overall this will be great batch of rookies that will give a much needed facelift to the league.
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Eman report Part II:

He completed his final training session with me (before draft camp) at 1:15am Sunday morning, following a birthday party with some friends. He ended his 6 week phase with flying colors and will now have 2 days of rest before the testing on Tuesday. Other players that I've dealt with over the years would give every excuse not to train on a Saturday night.

How's that for dedication?

You can count on Eman, one way or another, to be one of the bright spots in RP basketball.

I also found out last week that, as a teenager, he used to walk 1 hour to and from practice. His whole life is basketball, and he wants to win. It's all or nothing for him, just as it is for me in everything I do. A world class center/power forward you want? That is what you shall have in due time (and the very near future). While others are "cramming" for the various games, Samigue Eman is a steadfast predator of preparation.

Contrary to what all of the plyometric dummies want you to believe, there are indeed no quick fixes in basketball or the training of players. Sam is on a long-term perspective, so watch for him to get consistantly better. Rome was not built in a day and neither should we expect an RP team to win with the limited preparation it had. Someone asked me 3 weeks ago if I thought the RP team had a snowballs chance in a very hot place. I flat-out said "no way". It's the same reason many PBA players declined to play for the RP team. The "team" is not ready. How could it be, with a squad that had only been together for a short period of time and so many injured players? How could it be when their strength and conditioning is a joke? I'm not asking for the job of training the team since I don't want that kind of exposure. But I know people on the inside who tell me exactly the bumbling and blind faith that so many have in the preparation of the players. They are basketball players, NOT BODYBUILDERS.

Sorry for the rant. It's just clear to me that the glaring weakness is in a lack of a LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE. That is why the RP team lost, and they will CONTINUE to lose until someone in charge establishes a long-term perspective.

Again I'm not demanding to train the RP team, but I'll admit that the theory of Darwin (in a pure sense) should come into play. Results should dictate who coaches the RP team...not connections like "he who is the cousin of the brother of the nephew of the..."

Schortsanitis
08-12-2007, 11:17 AM
One urban legend clarified as true, another one comes up:

Has anybody heard of a certain JASON TEE, reportedly 6'10", played for Xavier University?

bchoter
08-12-2007, 11:00 PM
Pareng Sam Rommel Adducul is from the Cagayan Province. Same province that produced another big guy in the 80's former Green Archer, RP Youth and Men's Team member, and ex-pro Tonichi Yturri.

Anthony is right, Don Yabut is from Isabela. His cousin Eric Suguitan, who can be considered a giant at 6'8", has been languishing in the San Beda's Team B for the longest time. Incidentally, Tonichi was said to have been born in Isabela and moved to Cagayan before his teens. Another Former RP Team member and ex Archer is 6'6" Mark Telan.

Mike Galinato hails from another province, Quirino Province, which is part of Region 2 where Isabela and Cagayan belong.

Kid Cubao
08-13-2007, 06:20 AM
eric suguitan is a better volleyball player though. i saw him in high school as the outside hitter for UE, and he was devastating. sana nag-national team na lang siya.

pachador
08-16-2007, 12:13 AM
Performance of young giants at the 2007 draft. This is all I found:

Blue team led by Eman Samigue and Al-Jamal beat the Red team led by DeVance and Kramer, 63-52. Eman reportedly scored about 9 points(unofficial) and 3 block shots.

White team led by Quinahan and Fil-Am guard Ryan Reyes beat Yellow team led by Bono and Intal, 69-58

Bono was the heaviest player at 308 lbs :o :o :o . naisipan ba ni Bono mag-Sumo wrestling ?? ;D ;D

pachador
08-16-2007, 12:27 AM
sino taga australia dito? baka maunahan tayo ng Australian national team:

by Ivan_47 in PEX

Hi guys i have a discovery in Sydney... My nakalaro me na 13 years old na fil-aus kiddo sa isang social game... but the good thing der is he is legit 6"4 and plays off guard... quite unfurnished pa ang laro and napaka-buwakaw but complete package ang laro nya in short all around... kaya makipag sabayan sa mga seniors.... but ung maturity ng laro nya ung kailangan ma-ayos... I dont got the chance to get his name but sabi ng team mate ko pinoy half pinoy daw un and kita naman sa looks nya.... he scored 25pts. against us and 10 reb.

Take note ung team ko ay all legit 5"11 and above... and all experienced players kami.. but that kiddo easily beat us...

impressive hope someone hir can tell me the whole name of the kid... his teammates call him Greg during the game... Tatangkad pa tong batang toh... this will surely help our philippine team big time....

lastly di xa patpatin.... malapad ung katawan nung bata at nadadala nya... but puro baby fats pa...

Schortsanitis
08-17-2007, 10:22 AM
I think we need to start asking the SBP-BAP what are their plans for guys like that 6'7" Paredes (reportedly at SBC HS Team B), & that 6'8" Almagordo (Agro Industrial HS in Davao City).

Sam Miguel
08-17-2007, 01:32 PM
I think we need to start asking the SBP-BAP what are their plans for guys like that 6'7" Paredes (reportedly at SBC HS Team B), & that 6'8" Almagordo (Agro Industrial HS in Davao City).


There is no plan... :-\

bluebruiser90
08-17-2007, 04:26 PM
sino taga australia dito? baka maunahan tayo ng Australian national team:

by Ivan_47 in PEX

Hi guys i have a discovery in Sydney... My nakalaro me na 13 years old na fil-aus kiddo sa isang social game... but the good thing der is he is legit 6"4 and plays off guard... quite unfurnished pa ang laro and napaka-buwakaw but complete package ang laro nya in short all around... kaya makipag sabayan sa mga seniors.... but ung maturity ng laro nya ung kailangan ma-ayos... I dont got the chance to get his name but sabi ng team mate ko pinoy half pinoy daw un and kita naman sa looks nya.... he scored 25pts. against us and 10 reb.

Take note ung team ko ay all legit 5"11 and above... and all experienced players kami.. but that kiddo easily beat us...

impressive hope someone hir can tell me the whole name of the kid... his teammates call him Greg during the game... Tatangkad pa tong batang toh... this will surely help our philippine team big time....

lastly di xa patpatin.... malapad ung katawan nung bata at nadadala nya... but puro baby fats pa...



Saan kaya sa Sydney yan.* Lived in Sydney for the past three years.* I did the rounds of almost all the major Filo leagues in Sydney West (where most Pinoys live) but i didn't get to see this kid.* Madaling ipahanap at papuntahan yan kung may interesado.

There's a couple of good young propects down under if somebody would bother to look.

Schortsanitis
08-17-2007, 10:16 PM
There is no plan... :-\


Ouch. So after 17 years of our pros struggling in major Asian Basketball tournaments, we're still in that "waiting-for-an-MVP-caliber-6'7"-plus-player-instead-of-giving-them-every-conceivable-chance-to-develop-their-game" stage. Huh.

cub
08-19-2007, 11:08 AM
nasan na ung Rosopa ng letran squires? ang laki nun eh. kalaban nila Menor at Taganas nung 2004 finals. parang 6'7 ata height nun..

pachador
08-20-2007, 06:08 AM
6'11" Greg Slaughter ,the cebuano behemoth scored 19 points and 13 rebounds in his 4th game :o :o :o
Not bad at all for a tall guy who has never played varsity before suiting up for UV.
looks like we have a monster in the making here. Mon Fernandez is doing a good job training him so far. :)
see CESAFI thread for score details

Mateen Cleaves
08-20-2007, 06:22 AM
nasan na ung Rosopa ng letran squires? ang laki nun eh. kalaban nila Menor at Taganas nung 2004 finals. parang 6'7 ata height nun..


More like 6'5, pinakamataas na ang 6'6. Nag-tryout sa UP 'yan last year. Mas mababa ng kaunti kay Sison. Pero OK sana kasi mas malakas at mas matigas ang katawan. Nagkaproblema ata sa grades sa Letran. Magpe-PEP dapat para makalaro sa college. Pero wala na akong balita kung ano na nangyari.

pachador
08-24-2007, 02:06 AM
Clash of the Cebuano giants: Slaughter versus Eman

Hontiveros-led Beermen squad to collide with CESAFI All-Stars

By Emmanuel B. Villaruel
Friday, August 24, 2007

Cebuano hotshot Dondon Hontiveros and his San Miguel Beer squad are coming to town once again to strut their wares against the Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation, Inc. (CESAFI) All-Stars in a gooodwill encounter that is a sequel of his highly-successful “Triple Threat Charity Game” on September 2 at the Cebu Coliseum.

The match will also mark the first hardcourt appearance of Samigue Eman, San Miguel’s top pick in the PBA Draft last week, under the Beermen uniform.

“I expect a very exciting game because we have Samigue Eman, our top pick in the draft recently, and the CESAFI has Slaughter,” said Hontiveros in referring to Gregory Fuentes-Slaughter, the 6-foot-11 Fil-Am goliath of the University of the Visayas (UV) Green Lancers.

Save for Danny Seigle and Dorian Peña who are still on vacation in the United States, Hontiveros said all the Beermen crew will see action against the brightest of all the CESAFI stars.

Hontiveros and Eman will play alongside Danny Ildefonso, Olsen Racela, LA Tenorio, Wesley Gonzales, Lordy Tugade, Willy Wilson, Larry Fonacier, Jonas Villanueva, Gabby Espinas, and Enrico Villanueva.

“I’m sure this game will further hone up the skills of the CESAFI stars. Although we’re favored to win, we’re looking forward to a tough challenge knowing that the CESAFI players are very good shooters and are adept in pressing defense,” said Hontiveros.

At the moment, CESAFI commissioner Felix O. Tiukinhoy, Jr. said they are still in the process of choosing a coach for the CESAFI All-Stars that will help them form a lineup that is capable of carrying out a competitive fight against the Beermen.

This is the first time that Hontiveros is holding a charity game this year, but his third overall since the former University of Cebu (UC) Aguila started his noble project in 2006. Proceeds of his first event were donated to the landslide victims in Ginsaugon, Leyte, while the second was for the benefit of the less privileged kids of Don Bosco Boys Home.

This year, Hontiveros said they will use whatever income they could generate from the game for scholarship grants to poor, but deserving students.

Hontiveros is very thankful to acting PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios, San Miguel team manager Robert Non, to the CESAFI family, his longtime benefactor and adviser Atty. Baldomero C. Estenzo, Raymund Garcia, and long-time sports patron Jonathan “Atan” L. Guardo, who are all very supportive to his charity works.

“I thanked them all. Without them, this would not have happened,” said a grateful Hontiveros.

Ghostrider
08-24-2007, 01:29 PM
The PEX source was wrong.

The name of the 6'8 guy from Agro-Industrial Foundation of Davao City is Joseph "Joel" Ambohot not Almagordo.

Watched a dvd copy of the Nike Elite game where he was matched up against San Beda's man-child, Dave Marcelo. Dave, with his 50 lb. weight advantage repeatedly abused Joel by sealing him and using up and under moves.

To his credit, Joel gave a good account of himself. He was active on the defensive end of the floor as well as on the offensive glass. He had 4 or 5 offensive rebounds while going against Marcelo and Soc Rivera in his 20 minute stint on the floor.

The metro manila elite all stars clobbered the provincial all stars by more than forty points but it would have been closer had the provincial boys had fresher legs (having played 2 games a day for the past 6 days).

Jason Salvado (6'5) and Franz Dysam were the impressive guys on the provincial team. Sellado, Ambohot and a fast offguard also were pretty good.

Sam Miguel
08-24-2007, 04:02 PM
^ Ghost, AMBOHOT SA IMO... ;D

pachador
08-24-2007, 10:25 PM
thats a good one sam !! made me chuckle there ;D



^ Ghost, AMBOHOT SA IMO... ;D

Schortsanitis
08-25-2007, 07:37 AM
The PEX source was wrong.

The name of the 6'8 guy from Agro-Industrial Foundation of Davao City is Joseph "Joel" Ambohot not Almagordo.

Watched a dvd copy of the Nike Elite game where he was matched up against San Beda's man-child, Dave Marcelo.* Dave, with his 50 lb. weight advantage repeatedly abused Joel by sealing him and using up and under moves.

To his credit, Joel gave a good account of himself.* He was active on the defensive end of the floor as well as on the offensive glass.* He had 4 or 5 offensive rebounds while going against Marcelo and Soc Rivera in his 20 minute stint on the floor.

The metro manila elite all stars clobbered the provincial all stars by more than forty points but it would have been closer had the provincial boys had fresher legs (having played 2 games a day for the past 6 days).*

Jason Salvado (6'5) and Franz Dysam were the impressive guys on the provincial team.* Sellado, Ambohot and a fast offguard also were pretty good.


I'm impressed w/ Dave, he's shown glimpses of what is to come in some of the SBC Red Lion's games.

Now, the fact that the 6'8" Ambohot was able to keep w/ him I feel is a VERY good sign for that young player. I hope he grows taller, & develops as one of the countries top Centers later.

onggok
08-25-2007, 08:58 AM
::)

onggok
08-25-2007, 09:09 AM
Kid cubao can you give me an update of those Kampangan friends of Japeth Aguilar and where are they now?

Schortsanitis
08-25-2007, 09:24 AM
::)


What's that supposed to mean, moron?

onggok
08-25-2007, 01:52 PM
::)


What's that supposed to mean, moron?


My mistake okay. But if your not satisfied on my respond we can settle outside this forum just name the
place.

pachador
08-25-2007, 02:24 PM
wag naman kayo maging violente please .* nag-aaway pa kayo dahil sa emoticons na yan * *???* :o* :o* :-X
o ito para lumamig ulo ninyo. Si Cassie, isang 6'1" cute filipina giant ng RP womens team sa 1st pic at sa 2nd pic naman another 6'1" cute giant ng RP women's team, si Kathy Wilson:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/Cassie6.jpg


http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KADY2.jpg

Schortsanitis
08-25-2007, 05:13 PM
::)


What's that supposed to mean, moron?


My* mistake* okay. But* if* your* not* satisfied* on* my* respond* we* can* settle outside this* forum* just* name* the
place.


Go fuc_ your mother. You name the place, as_wipe.

gameface_one
08-25-2007, 10:53 PM
::)


What's that supposed to mean, moron?


My* mistake* okay. But* if* your* not* satisfied* on* my* respond* we* can* settle outside this* forum* just* name* the
place.



Warning to the two of you. If you continue with these kinds of posts and replies, both of you will be penalized accordingly. If you have personal issues, settle them thru PMs.

christian
08-26-2007, 10:41 PM
wag naman kayo maging violente please . nag-aaway pa kayo dahil sa emoticons na yan ??? :o :o :-X
o ito para lumamig ulo ninyo. Si Cassie, isang 6'1" cute filipina giant ng RP womens team sa 1st pic at sa 2nd pic naman another 6'1" cute giant ng RP women's team, si Kathy Wilson:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/Cassie6.jpg


http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KADY2.jpg




Hanep si CAssie! Nakasabay ko kumain sa may Katipunan yan, ang gnada! pati yung kulay nya ang ganda! :) Sir pachador, Kady Wilson yata ang name not Kathy :)

toti_mendiola
08-27-2007, 12:13 AM
sana naman ang mapangasawa nitong mga matatas na taong ito eh matatas ding mga binata ng ang mga anak nila eh maging matatangkad na tao at ang lahi nila ang magsimulang makapagpabago sa average height ng mga pinoy.

christian
08-27-2007, 09:23 AM
Sir! ako matangakad! ;D

lekiboy
08-27-2007, 09:40 AM
Sir! ako matangakad!* ;D



hoy christian, mag-hunos dili ka at huwag mo gayahin si SUPAN - nangangarap...hehehehe

Kid Cubao
08-27-2007, 11:38 AM
Kid cubao can you give me an update of those Kampangan friends of Japeth Aguilar and where are they now?

apparently one of them is jericho de guzman, who is now being assisted by japeth's dad. the other is reportedly still with FEU.

onggok
08-27-2007, 03:13 PM
Kid cubao can you give me an update of those Kampangan friends of Japeth Aguilar and where are they now?

apparently one of them is jericho de guzman, who is now being assisted by japeth's dad. the other is reportedly still with FEU.


Thank you very much for answering my question.

christian
08-27-2007, 07:48 PM
Sir! ako matangakad! ;D



hoy christian, mag-hunos dili ka at huwag mo gayahin si SUPAN - nangangarap...hehehehe


Hahaha :)

pachador
08-29-2007, 01:08 AM
lets judge Slaughter's quickness and mobility:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2py3P7_e1ho


fast enough ba for a 6'11" ?? ano say ninyo ?

kulang na lang ba na hasain ang skills niya at strength ?

video was 1st posted to pex

pachador
08-29-2007, 12:50 PM
Oberlin Men's Basketball Program Announces Incoming First-Years for 2007-2008 Season

August 20, 2007 -- Oberlin Head Coach Isaiah Cavaco has announced that the Yeomen’s men's basketball program will be bringing in four new players for the 2007-08 season. The Yeomen's recruiting class includes James Tompsett (Chicago, Ill.), Patrick Bernhard (Sleepey Hollow, Ill.), Ryan Magiera (Louisville, Colo.) and Gian Chiu (Philippines).

"I feel that we are bringing in a very strong class that will fill a lot of our needs,” Cavaco said. "These are very good players that should be able to help us right away. They are all great additions, and I think they fit in well with the campus at large, while collectively being a great core class around which to build a program."

Tompsett has led the Middlesex (Mass.) basketball squad over the past two seasons. A 6-6, 215-pound forward, Tompsett is a very athletic and versatile big man. Tompsett received the Thomas Huckins Basketball Bowl given to the school’s top player and picked up All-tournament honors at the Huckins-Rouse Holiday tournament.

"James (Tompsett) is a tremendous athlete that has the ability to change games,” said Cavaco. "I was very impressed with his ability to block and alter shots on the defensive end as well as get on the glass and run the pick and role offensively. James has only scratched the surface of what he can do, and I look forward to seeing him develop into an all-around force in the NCAC.”

Chiu, a native of the Philippines, will become the only player of foreign descent on next year’s roster. Chiu came to the United States for his junior and senior years of high school in the Palm Desert, Calif. area and led the Christian School of the Desert basketball team to a CIF playoff birth in his final campaign. Standing 6-9, he earned all-CIF second team honors for his division and led his team in scoring, rebounding and blocked shots this past season. Academically, he was named a member of the World Quest Academic team that recently visited the nation’s capital. Chiu hopes to enter medical school after his days at Oberlin.

“Gian (Chiu) is an imposing presence in the paint on both ends of the floor,” Cavaco said. “We haven’t had size like this in the last three years, and he will add a whole new dimension to our team. He is very skilled with both hands, has great balance and is extremely long. I am looking forward to seeing what exactly Gian can do and helping him become a top player in this conference.”

Magiera, a Colorado native, was the catalyst on his Monarch’s team that went 20-7. Magiera led his team in rebounding with seven per game and also contributed 16 points per contest. Magiera was named first team All-Conference, second team All-Region and honorable mention All-State. He holds the record for field goals made in a season at Monarch High School, formerly held by current NBA player, Louis Amundson. Magiera balanced his career with Academic All-State honors.

"Ryan (Magiera) is unique player because of his ability to shoot and handle the ball on the perimeter as well as dominate the boards." said Cavaco. "He will be able to help us right away in several positions and I see him being a real impact in conference play over the next four seasons.”

Bernhard, after a very strong senior season in which he shot a blistering 46% from the three-point line, looks to bring both long-range shooting and solid defense to the 2007-2008 Yeoman squad. Noted for his hard-working demeanor, Bernhard was recognized by the Daily Herald as one of Fox Valley’s Finest “Three-Point Bombers” and “Best Defenders” as a senior. He was also named an Illinois State Scholar, McHenry County Area All-star and Fox Valley All-Conference Honoree.

“I am looking forward to adding Patrick (Bernhard) to our team,” Cavaco said. “I am very excited about having a guy that can really defend against the best guards our opponents have. He can really shoot the ball, but most importantly, he brings an element of toughness to our team. Pat’s a tremendous competitor with qualities you can’t teach.”

The Yeomen, who look to build off last season’s improvements, graduate only one player from the 2006-2007 squad, senior Quinton Spencer.

“I can’t wait to integrate this group with our returning team,” Cavaco said. “This is a quality class full of high-character, hard-working and dedicated young men.”


http://www.oberlin.edu/athletic/varsity/m_basketball/archive/2007-2008/mbb_recruits_082007.html

yungha
08-29-2007, 03:51 PM
ok si slaughter - doesn't look clumsy, looks strong enough to hold his own in the paint. in a few years he'll be serviceable, kahit pambara lang natin sa paint.

pachador
08-30-2007, 12:38 PM
two more videos of Slaughter. I'm surprised by the way he moves. he is fast and mobile for a filipino 6'11" . He just might be the new "big difference" by 2011. you never know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCPdjua4fDg&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnzM6IlDsjk

pachador
09-03-2007, 02:40 AM
Slaughter bombs San Miguel with 12 points:

September 03, 2007 ,sunstar

Cesafi stars give SMB tough time

FOR a college selection playing against a professional basketball team, the Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation Inc. (Cesafi) All Stars showed the future looks good for the top sport in the country.

San Miguel Beer won, that was a given, but not by much, 90-86. The Cesafi players showed they were no pushovers, making Beermen work for the win in a charity match played before an overflowing Cebu Coliseum.

All through the first three periods, the Beermen were struck dumbfounded when they came face to face with a gritty and talented lineup.

In the first period, the Cesafi team went on a 14-7 run, banking on two triples by Southwestern University’s Eric Zanoria, to turn an 11-17 deficit into a 25-24 lead by the end of the period.

In the second period, the Cebuanos leaned on a scorching 13-0 rally behind University of the Visayas’ Ariel Mepaña, University of Southern Philippines Foundation’s Moncrief Rogado, to build a nine-point lead, which they kept throughout the period.

Everything unraveled for the Cesafi squad, however, in the third period. The bigger Beermen started chipping on the lead, coming to just a point behind, 67-66, by the end of the quarter.

In the final quarter, the Cesafi All Stars were silenced for good as Chris Calaguio scored all of his points at this juncture to help San Miguel snatch the driver’s seat, 75-69.

With the help of Cebuano Dondon Hontiveros and Danny Espina, San Miguel took over the game. What Cesafi did for the last three quarters, Hontiveros and his squad did in just a short while eye as they took over the lead and held on to it until the game ended.

Hontiveros, a former University of Cebu player, was the star in yesterday’s game, proving that he still has a loyal following in the city.

“I went to the game to watch Dondon,” said one spectator yesterday.

Every move by the Cebuano basketball star was received with booming cheers from the crowd.

Hontiveros led SMB with 17 markers while Larry Fonacier and Enrico Villanueva added 12 each.

The game, which Hontiveros organized, will benefit under-privileged but deserving students of Cebu.

Mepaña starred for Cesafi, leading the team with 16 points. His school teammate, Gregory Slaughter, who is another crowd favorite, contributed 12 points.

The scores:

San Miguel (90) – Hontiveros 17, Villanueva 12, Fonacier 12, Espinas 9, Wilson 8, Eman 7, Calaguio 7, Tugade 7, Ildefonso 6, Gonzales 3, Tenorio 2.

Cesafi All-Stars (86) - Mepana 16, Slaughter 12, Zanoria 9, Llanto 8, Diputado 7, Berame 6, Abellanosa 6, Abobo 5, Lanete 4, Luga 4, Ramirez 3, Rogado 2, Gudez 2, Malinao 2. (MCB)

onggok
09-03-2007, 04:15 AM
Any news on Jericho De Guzman and what he is doing now?

pachador
09-09-2007, 12:44 AM
Samigue Eman's 3 brothers are giants too..... :o :o :o


Tallest rookie content to be role player

By Joaquin Henson
Sunday, September 9, 2007

San Miguel Beer center Samigue Eman, the tallest rookie in the PBA, said the other day he expects to be banged up on the court but won’t back down from the challenge of taking on the likes of Asi Taulava, Dennis Espino and Marlou Aquino.

The 6-8, 250-pound former University of Mindanao standout was the second overall pick in the recent PBA draft and just signed a two-year contract with San Miguel.

“It’s the fulfillment of my dream to play in the PBA,” said Eman, a commerce degree holder with a major in management. “I’m happy to be a role player. Our team has a lot of scorers. My role is to rebound, pass and be the last line of defense. Whatever coach Siot (Tanquingcen) thinks I can do, I’ll try to do. I’ll fill in the gaps.”

Because of his exceptional height, Eman is perfect for basketball but learning the game wasn’t easy.

In high school, Eman was listed in the varsity roster by coach Tata Banzali since he was the biggest student on campus but hardly played. Then, Eman was recruited by the late University of Mindanao coach Mario Babao who grilled him on the basics. Before long, an athletic talent scout from Lanao, known as Pinda, took Eman and two other Mindanao prospects to the University of the East in Manila for tryouts.* But it was Jose Rizal coach Boy de Vera who took a chance on Eman in the 1999-2000 NCAA season. Eman played sparingly for the Heavy Bombers and left the school after a year, exasperated by lack of financial support. He went to Marawi for a week of soul-searching then tried out for the Ateneo de Davao varsity. Eman wound up playing four years for the University of Mindanao and saw action in the Davao commercial leagues with ex-PBA cager Jomer Rubi.

News of a stratospheric center in Davao spread like wildfire and coach Dong Vergeire took notice, signing him up for the John O squad in the PBL. Subsequently, Eman and another Mindanao star Eder Saldua were picked to join the Cebuana Lhuillier national team by Vergeire. When Lhuillier disbanded the squad in 2003, Eman was suddenly homeless and sat out a year before he was called up by Rain or Shine and Henkel Sista in the PBL.*

Now that he’s in the pros, Eman said he’ll make the most out of the opportunity to make a living from the sport that he’s built for.

“I’m hoping for a long career like Jerry Codiñera who played for almost 20 years,” said Eman. “I’m lucky that my idol Danny Ildefonso is my teammate. This is a big test for me, whether I can go to the next level. I know I’ve got to polish my post moves and work double time on getting stronger. I feel the pressure and it’s not going to go away. It’s up to me how far I can go. I won’t panic if I don’t do well at the start. I’ll do my best.”

Eman, 25, will be put to an early test as Dorian Peña won’t be available until December. Peña recently underwent surgery on his right foot and is expected to be out of commission for two months. Two screws were implanted to firm up Peña’s ankle by Dr. George Canlas in a two-hour operation at St. Luke’s Hospital.

Eman said he’s learning a lot in practice from Tanquingcen, assistant coach Biboy Ravanes, skills coach Kirk Collier and teammates Ildefonso and Willie Wilson. “I try to work as hard as I can,” he went on. “Coach Kirk teaches me footwork, how to seal, when to receive the ball, how to shoulder fake. Danny and Willie give me advice. I’m very determined. I also go to the Eclipse fitness center on Shaw Boulevard and work out with Jason, an American strength and conditioning coach who did volunteer work with the Chicago Bulls and trained several NCAA Division I players. I work out about two hours a session thrice a week aside from practicing with San Miguel.”

Recent Manila visitor and San Antonio Spurs assistant coach Chip Engelland also worked on Eman’s stroke, balance and foot placement when taking free throws.

Eman’s parents aren’t particularly tall. His father Fernando is 5-11 and mother Evangeline, 5-6. His oldest brother Firpo is 5-6 but three younger brothers are tall, too – 6-4 Fernando, 21, 6-7 Christopher, 20 and 6-6 Spencer, 18.

Fernando and Spencer play for the University of Mindanao while Christopher is temporarily sidelined with toxic goiter. Eman said he got his height from both his grandfathers who were six-footers.

Since playing for pay, Eman has sent money to cover the rent, power, food and water bills of his parents in Davao City. He lives in a Pasay City apartment with his Davao City neighbor Melvin Puzon.

All eyes will be on Eman when the PBA opens its season on Oct. 14. As the league’s tallest rookie, Eman will be under a microscope and the sooner he gets used to the idea, the better.*

In his wildest dreams, Eman said he has visions of playing like Tim Duncan – whom he calls Mr. Fundamental – with touches of Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki. But in the real world, he’ll settle to be San Miguel’s No. 1 role player.

irateluvmachine
09-09-2007, 07:34 AM
Eman said he’s learning a lot in practice from Tanquingcen, assistant coach Biboy Ravanes, skills coach Kirk Collier and teammates Ildefonso and Willie Wilson. “I try to work as hard as I can,” he went on. “Coach Kirk teaches me footwork, how to seal, when to receive the ball, how to shoulder fake. Danny and Willie give me advice. I’m very determined. I also go to the Eclipse fitness center on Shaw Boulevard and work out with Jason, an American strength and conditioning coach who did volunteer work with the Chicago Bulls and trained several NCAA Division I players. I work out about two hours a session thrice a week aside from practicing with San Miguel.”

pa-OT muna ng konti...

fellow pexers, does this dude "sound very family" to you?

gameface_one
09-10-2007, 07:24 AM
Eman said he’s learning a lot in practice from Tanquingcen, assistant coach Biboy Ravanes, skills coach Kirk Collier and teammates Ildefonso and Willie Wilson. “I try to work as hard as I can,” he went on. “Coach Kirk teaches me footwork, how to seal, when to receive the ball, how to shoulder fake. Danny and Willie give me advice. I’m very determined. I also go to the Eclipse fitness center on Shaw Boulevard and work out with Jason, an American strength and conditioning coach who did volunteer work with the Chicago Bulls and trained several NCAA Division I players. I work out about two hours a session thrice a week aside from practicing with San Miguel.”

pa-OT muna ng konti...

fellow pexers, does this dude "sound very family" to you?




Excuse me, but this is not pex. ;)

irateluvmachine
09-10-2007, 07:08 PM
^yup, but there are a lot of pexers who post on these forums...

sorry, boss. ;D just couldn't help it there...

gameface_one
09-10-2007, 10:12 PM
^^^^I know. I was just kidding you. :)

LION
09-11-2007, 07:58 AM
Watch out. No entry for the pex virus here.

gameface_one
09-11-2007, 07:14 PM
^^^Don't worry. We'll maintain law and order here.

LION
09-12-2007, 07:56 AM
Thanks gameface_one.

danny
09-13-2007, 05:29 AM
^yup, but there are a lot of pexers who post on these forums...

sorry, boss.* ;D just couldn't help it there...


And after a few posts, they are gone. The posers. Some are persistent though.

Thanks to gameface, there is still sanity in cyberspace.

Thanks.

toti_mendiola
09-13-2007, 07:44 AM
Naisip ko lang di ba si Jaime Lichauco Bedista, dapat yung pagiging clairvoyant niya at pagiging open ang third eye eh magamit niya sa pag i iscout at pagre recruit ng mga kapreng naglalaro ng basketball. Kung magkataon eh hindi na mawawalan ng supply ang San Beda sa mga centro. Kaya lang dapat itigil na muna nila yung bisyo nilang pagtatabako para lumakas resistensiya nila.* ;D hirap talaga pag me hang over, kung ano ano naiisip.

ANWY. Big up to Kelvin dela Peña. Competitor talaga at talagang gusto lang manalo.Yung foul niya kahapon against borgie eh dala lang ng pagiging competitive niya. Good kid pa rin ang tingin ko sa batang ito. Kelvin good luck sa basketball career mo at sa pag aaral mo.* 8)

Yesterday during the CSJL vs. JRU, ang lalaking bata nung mga JRU team b.


EDITED TO ADD: what my initial reason why i posted here in the first place. JRU team B

JonarSabilano
09-13-2007, 09:50 AM
Naisip ko lang di ba si Jaime Lichauco Bedista, dapat yung pagiging clairvoyant niya at pagiging open ang third eye eh magamit niya sa pag i iscout at pagre recruit ng mga kapreng naglalaro ng basketball. Kung magkataon eh hindi na mawawalan ng supply ang San Beda sa mga centro. Kaya lang dapat itigil na muna nila yung bisyo nilang pagtatabako para lumakas resistensiya nila.* ;D hirap talaga pag me hang over, kung ano ano naiisip.



Kung sabagay, wala naman yatang nakasulat sa FIBA rules na "No supernatural assistance of any kind is allowed" at "All competitors should possess 100% human DNA"...

oca
09-13-2007, 11:12 AM
Ako rin nakita ko yung big men ng JRU B. Now, if anyone noticed how stronger and quicker the JRU Team A players are, we should expect these Team B players to exhibit the same when their time to play comes.

But this is basketball. Mas importante ang skills. Skills. Skills. Skills. BASKETBALL skills, that is.

Superior strength and conditioning should be use as a tool to execute the skills that you have. Yes, the skills must be there to begin with. Nothing can compensate for a player's ineptness and lack of game smarts.

Mabilis at malakas nga. Matindi yung burst of speed. Hindi naman maka-pivot. Walang short jumper. Kamote sa free throw. Kung ganyan, magkardador ka na lang sa pier.

Big men should first learn the skills. Let them focus on that. Kahit yung pivoting lang and learning to make an attempt off or from a pivot move. Pag master na yan, saka turuan ng skills na pang kargador.

Kung kayang pagsabayin ng bata, okay lang. Pero mas priority pa rin ang basketball skills.

SKILLS, SKILLS, SKILLS. BASKETBALL skills!

lekiboy
09-13-2007, 11:30 AM
^^ mukhang may pinapatamaan... ;D ;D ;D

mighty_lion
09-13-2007, 11:33 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but this JRU Team B was beaten by Ateno B in current FMC. Ateneo B with no real big man in their team. Im not sure how tall is the tallest player in Ateneo B pero ang pinakamatangkad na yata sa kanila 6'1-6'2.

JRU still have a lot to do on honing their players. Ang hirap kasi nauuna ang yabang at prophecies kesa execution. Gusto ko i-qoute yong sinabi ni Franz Pumaren nung nag-away sila kaso hindi ko na makita kung saan thread.

Kid Cubao
09-13-2007, 12:02 PM
yes, we beat them in FMC action. it took us extra period to beat them though. our tallest player is 6'2 mark intal. the ateneo combination that beat JRU B is composed of three members of last year's blue eaglets (enzo katipunan, alec rivera, tonino gonzaga), mark intal (the tallest), and charles tiu.

oca
09-13-2007, 12:05 PM
^^ mukhang may pinapatamaan...* ;D ;D ;D




Tamaan na ang tamaan. But I dare anyone dispute what I said. *;D ;D ;D

Lint3k, nakuha mo na ang offensive rebound five feet from the basket, magdi-dribble ka pa ba to position yourself for a shot? Napakasimpleng bagay...

Kung sino man ang mga ga-higante ryan, the message is *-

PRIORITIZE THE LEARNING OF SKILLS. NOT the building of muscles and stamina. Pag totoong marunong ka na maglaro, saka ka kumuha ng strength and conditioning coach.

Basketball is a skills game.

Caloy was said to be great because he has the skills. He can even play point. Fernandez cannot even be contained by imports because he was so skillfull. These two were matched against much bigger and taller defenders of their time (si Caloy sa International game pa). Pero dominant pa rin. Lint3k gapalito ang katawan ng mga yan but they were the greatest centers of their generations. Ngayon, palakihan ng katawan, pulos kab0b0han naman ang pinaggagawa sa court.

Skills. Skills. Skills. Basketball skills.

oca
09-13-2007, 01:23 PM
A final note on skills.

Sa ating mga hardcore, kilala natin yung "big men" nang UE sa kasalukuyan.

Are you not impressed or amazed at the range of their shooting?

Last year, wala yung mga tira na iyun. But in the intervening period, these guys did learn to shoot well from a farther distance. That's very instrumental in making UE the prohibitive favorite in ending that title drought.

Hindi kalakihan ang katawan ng mga iyan. But they are able to do things on court that mattered most. It's not running faster.. no burst of speed... not an enviable vertical leap... not being stronger in positiong for the rebound. Kung sa banggaan lang katawan kahit kay Jervy Cruz hirap sila...but their team is dominant.

Do you think a stronger, bulkier and quicker defender will easily contain those outside shots?

Man-to-man, maybe.

Pero ano ang ginagawa ng picks and screens?

Yung hindi marunong maglaro, tiyak matatawagan ng foul for moving when giving a pick/ screen. UE is hardly called for that.

Pick? Screens?* Skills pa rin yun. Basketball skills.

Eh, yung paano gumamit at makinabang sa pick/screen. Saan at paano ka dadaan?

Skills pa rin!

Kung akala niyo madali yan gawin, eh, di sana konti lang nakikita nating malalaking b0b0 on court!

To all young big men, basketball is a skills game. Given that you are disciplined and dedicated, put emphasis on learning the skills of the game. All other concerns should be subordinate to the acquisition of SKILLS.

LION
09-13-2007, 01:54 PM
^ On top of what oca said, kung pagkatapos ng regular practice ninyo na 2 o 3 oras e bibyahe ka pa at sasakay ng jeep papuntang gym para sa strenght at conditioning mo, nakakapag aral ka pa ba niyan? Pumapasok ka pa ba sa mga klase mo? O talagang puro basketball na lang ang inaatupag?

Hindi na nga nag aral, olats pa rin.

mighty_lion
09-13-2007, 02:42 PM
^ On top of what oca said, kung pagkatapos ng regular practice ninyo na 2 o 3 oras e bibyahe ka pa at* sasakay ng jeep papuntang gym para sa strenght at conditioning mo, nakakapag aral ka pa ba niyan?* Pumapasok ka pa ba sa mga klase mo?* O talagang puro basketball na lang ang inaatupag?*

Hindi na nga nag aral, olats pa rin.* *


Gusto ko i-brought up yan eh. Why not conduct an audit of those atheltes academic credentials and how they maintain their studies. Baka nga dapat merong mandatory drug test pa.

Anyway if I may add.. skills, studies... Not to mention attitude. Kaya nga student athelete eh. They want to introduce how a physical game is played in the Philippines. IMO nakakatawang sabihin they initiate the contact tapos masiko ng konti nanghahamon na ng suntukan. :-[ Poor Nocom. Minsan naiinis ako ke Dela Pena for overly physical game on our guards specially Pong ang Borgie but at the end of the game hanga ako sa sportmanship nung bata. Thats attitude for a basketball player.

Talk about best training methodology for future pinoy ballers. From student-athelete concept to maintaning college basketball barbarians. Oh yeah! ::) Gawin na lang nating representative ng Pinas sa International sumo wrestling si _____. ;D ;D Pwedeng pwede. Lahat ng assistant pang-sumo din ang sizes eh.

Sample ko na lang Letran-JRU kahapon. Nung first quarter naki-paglarong buko ba naman mga player ni Alas sa JRU. Syempre kahit anong gawin mo dyan lamang JRU not to mention ang sakit ng katawan nila Faundo at Daa. Good thing Letran got back to their game by executing basketball plays with smarts. Ayun.

danny
09-14-2007, 12:49 AM
Hopefully, a third party audit will be proposed. Tatanggapin ba naman yang proposal natin?


In my observation, kung higante ka, matangkad ka. :D

pachador
09-14-2007, 02:57 AM
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pachador
09-14-2007, 03:02 AM
depende rin yan sa genetics ng player including motor skills , reaction time, speed, and so forth. halimbawa , slashing facing the basket moves are best for quick high jumping players preferably* with good ball-handling.

for slower tall guys blessed with big bone structure and strength they are best for back to the basket moves because your body is closer to the defender. you then outposition or outbox the defender using your strength.

however, if your skinny tapos slow pa your only chance is skill but only to a certain extent.

so bale for practical applications sa pick-up game ninyo its like this: kung malaki katawan mo tapos bantay mo payatot then mag-back to the basket ka tapos ask for the ball then move your legs forcefully around the defender, and push the defender's upper body aside with your elbow while protecting the ball to box him out then you got an easy shot unless he hacks your arm.

kung bantay mo ay mataba or malaki pero hinihingal tapos kondisyon ka pa, gumawa ka ng mga fast break shots palagi . daanin mo sa pabilisan.

and op cors kung skilled ka talaga e di wala ka nang problema kahit anong moves ok lang.

and the best of all is if your tall, fast , strong and skilled. ayus ! mismatch palagi

Schortsanitis
09-14-2007, 11:05 AM
Ako rin nakita ko yung big men ng JRU B. Now, if anyone noticed how stronger and quicker the JRU Team A players are, we should expect these Team B players to exhibit the same when their time to play comes.

But this is basketball. Mas importante ang skills. Skills. Skills. Skills. BASKETBALL skills, that is.

Superior strength and conditioning should be use as a tool to execute the skills that you have. Yes, the skills must be there to begin with. Nothing can compensate for a player's ineptness and lack of game smarts.

Mabilis at malakas nga. Matindi yung burst of speed. Hindi naman maka-pivot. Walang short jumper. Kamote sa free throw. Kung ganyan, magkardador ka na lang sa pier.

Big men should first learn the skills. Let them focus on that. Kahit yung pivoting lang and learning to make an attempt off or from a pivot move. Pag master na yan, saka turuan ng skills na pang kargador.

Kung kayang pagsabayin ng bata, okay lang. Pero mas priority pa rin ang basketball skills.

SKILLS, SKILLS, SKILLS. BASKETBALL skills!


The San Miguel Beer PBA Team does hire a "Skills Coach" with the name of Kirk Collier. I think "Skills Coaches" like Kirk would be more beneficial to Philippine basketball if they apply their craft at College, or even High School level.

The problem is first, finding enough people w/ such qualifications. And second, its also a question of whether our colleges can afford their salaries. I think the SBP can help in this area: If they are going to form a young, "Blank" & under team, then they should ensure that they will have a skills coach there specifically to try to improve the skills of the young players in the pool.

PeterPaulMario
09-16-2007, 11:53 AM
Big-men in the varsity level or student-athletes in general should prioritize the skills part of the game. If the kid do move up to the PBL or other commercial leagues by all means they should integrate strength and conditioning in their training when at that stage.

As Lion has pointed out, I just don't know how a student-athlete could have the time to spend at least 3hours a day on strength and conditioning (even just 3 to 4 sessions a week) --that would include communting to and from the gym plus the actual hours doing the strength and conditioning part-- and attend daily practices of 3 to 4 hours on top of attending to his academic load.

I don't even like the idea of having the offseason as the time for s & c for student athletes. The skills part should be the focus during the offseason. For as the main tournament (NCAA or UAAP) draws near, the coaches will be focusing on team chemistry and cohesion.

To have academics and basketball plus s & c ?

That must be one gifted child...team!

pachador
09-16-2007, 10:29 PM
China has 3 giants in the US NCAA. I think, the Philippine SBP should select 1 to 3 high school giants per year and send them to the US to play for US NCAA schools where they will face tougher opposition. This way, the Philippines will always have at least 1 center graduating every year from a US NCAA school toughened by playing against African-Americans:

Three Players from China to Play in NCAA Next Year

by Arthur Volbert - Aug 19, 2007
Three big men from China are expected to be playing for NCAA Division I teams next season -- Zhang Zhaoxu, formerly of Shandong, Ji Xiang. formerly of Shanghai, and Shang Ping, formerly of Beijing Aoshen. Zhang, who is going under the name Max Zhang, will be playing for the University of California at Berkeley in the Pac-10.
Three big men from China are expected to be playing for NCAA Division I teams next season -- Zhang Zhaoxu, formerly of Shandong, Ji Xiang. formerly of Shanghai, and Shang Ping, formerly of Beijing Aoshen.

Zhang, who is going under the name Max Zhang, will be playing for the University of California at Berkeley in the Pac-10. He is listed as being 7-3 but was listed as 213 cm and born in 1987 when he starred at the Adidas and Basketball Without Borders Camps a couple of years ago. Zhang only began playing basketball when he was 15, so he fits the criteria for late-developing big men.

"It is very rare to have a skilled student-athlete with Max's size," said Ben Braun, California's coach. "He has improved significantly over the past two years and is still developing physically. Max has the ability to change games and alter opponents' shots, and he has the potential to score inside and outside. He can run the floor and is an adept shot blocker."

Zhang first played in the United States when he attended the Global Adidas camp in Atlanta in the summer of 2005. He returned to the U.S. in the fall of 2006 to study at the American English Academy in Monterey Park, Calif. As a member of the California Supreme AAU team, Zhang ranked third in both rebounds (43) and blocks (10) at the 2007 Cactus Classic this past May in Tucson, Ariz. He also played briefly with the LA Impact team over the summer.

Ji Xiang, a 6-10 238 lb center/power forward, will play for the University of Hawaii in the Mountain West Conference. He averaged around 20 points and 12 rebounds per game during his last year of high school in Zhengzhou, China. He spent the past two years training at the United States Basketball Academy — which was founded by former Hawaii basketball coach Bruce O'Neil — in Blue River, Ore. He first attended the camp two years ago along with 208 cm Wu Ke, who was a candidate for this year's Under-19 team.

"We're very fortunate to be able to get a player of Ji's ability so late," Hawaii head coach Bob Nash said. "I saw him play at a tournament in Houston this summer and he impressed me with his style of play. He fits the mode of a multi-dimensional player we're looking for — he can score on the perimeter as well as with his back to the basket."

Ji was also being recruited by Oregon, Oregon State, Georgetown and Fresno State.

Shang Ping, who formerly played for Beijing Aoshen, and played at Illinois Central Community College last year, will be playing for the University of Nebraska in the Big 12. Shang, who stands 6-10, is a highly skilled big man who not only puts points on the board inside, but has the ability to step out, and knock down shots from the perimeter. Shang was also recruited by Oklahoma State University

Semenelin
09-16-2007, 11:34 PM
bakit sentro lng? kung may ok tayo na maliit ipatry out na rin natin. never hurts to try...

aircanda
09-17-2007, 09:54 PM
bakit sentro lng? kung may ok tayo na maliit ipatry out na rin natin. never hurts to try...




malakas rin ang tsansa ng ating maliliit lalo na kung mas fundamental ang laro nila..
mga 6 foot na ala johnny a..
pwde un..

yungha
09-18-2007, 07:18 AM
China has 3 giants in the US NCAA. I think, the Philippine SBP should select 1 to 3 high school giants per year and send them to the US to play for US NCAA schools where they will face tougher opposition. This way, the Philippines will always have at least 1 center graduating every year from a US NCAA school toughened by playing against African-Americans:



we'll also have 3 giants in the US NCAA - 6'9 japeth aguilar of western kentucky, 7'0 ronnie aguilar of colorado state and 6'9 gian chiu of oberlin college.

yes, i do hope we continue sending our top talent abroad for further training. nigeria for example has over 50 players sprinkled across various schools in the us ncaa.

no offense to WKU and the conference they play in, but my dream is to see a group of pinoys play major roles for schools in major conferences like the ACC, pac-10, big 10, big east, etc. soon, hopefully.

Schortsanitis
09-18-2007, 08:53 AM
we'll also have 3 giants in the US NCAA - 6'9 japeth aguilar of western kentucky, 7'0 ronnie aguilar of colorado state and 6'9 gian chiu of oberlin college.


I think it was settled that Ronnie Aguilar has no Filipino blood.

yungha
09-18-2007, 10:28 AM
^pato gregorio was interviewed on ITZ and he said that he personally spoke with ronnie aguilar's father who's a full-blooded pinoy.

Schortsanitis
09-18-2007, 10:43 AM
^pato gregorio was interviewed on ITZ and he said that he personally spoke with ronnie aguilar's father who's a full-blooded pinoy.


Here's a post from the Interbasket forums indicating that Noli Eala had confirmed over an episode of "Teledyaryo" that Ronnie Aguilar had no Pinoy blood.

Interbasket "Ronnie Aguilar Is Not Filipino" post no. 66 (http://forums.interbasket.net/showpost.php?p=89409&postcount=66)

Would've been great if he really was Pinoy, though.

Schortsanitis
09-20-2007, 09:23 PM
Here's a news item about a certain "Ambohot" playing for the "Agro Industrial Foundation College Sailors", not sure if this is the same 6'8" Ambohot we've heard about:

Agro Sailors stun ADDU, 88-84 in 5th GSouth Cup (Web Link) (http://www.mindanaotimes.com.ph/story.php?id=17947)

Good sign he's scoring in double figures, but then again, against the opposition there in Davao.* I hope he can somehow find his way to an NCAA or UAAP school.

Also, it seems like he's not in HS anymore, but in college already, probably on his rookie year.

thadzonline
10-09-2007, 10:32 AM
That guy from Davao, he was reportedly in the Nike Elite Camp which Philip Paredes attended, at 6-8, he could be a worthy project, they say his name is Joel Ambohot, can anyone confirm?

professor
10-09-2007, 12:59 PM
Ambohot was only 6'4" last year and was not that athletic. He is now 18 and grew 4 inches in a year. FYI.

MrGotti
10-09-2007, 09:09 PM
Pa turuan na iyan. Give him to Ato badolato first to give him good fundamentals then pagtulungtulngan na para gumaling. We should start investnig on these tall kids. So we can have a fighting chance in the international tournaments.

JonarSabilano
10-10-2007, 10:56 AM
Ambohot was only 6'4" last year and was not that athletic.* He is now 18 and grew 4 inches in a year.* FYI.


Hindi kaya mangyari sa kanya ang sinapit ni Adrian Bacon? Growing that much in a year might take its toll on his body. I hope he can take it.

Schortsanitis
10-10-2007, 09:37 PM
hey mighty_lion, anung pangalan nung 6'9 na fil-chinese player for FEU Team B na maglalaro together with Kave next year?


Do you know anything more about this kid? There's some news over at the Interbasket forums about a 6'9" Fil-Chinese, but not sure of the reliability of the report since the source didn't give the kid's name, or his background.

mighty_lion
10-10-2007, 10:12 PM
Wala akong nakita/napansin na 6'9 dun sa team B ng FEU nung sabado. Unless tinatago yan, ala-JR Cawaling. Surprise! ;D

Schortsanitis
10-11-2007, 11:39 AM
Here's what we know of the player, from the Interbasket forums, on posts by "Burndvinyard":
- 6'9"
- From the province of Xiamen in China
- 17 years old as of 2007
- Reportedly likes to have outside skills, shooting needs work, decent ballhandler, needs to work on back to the basket skills
- Trained in a Binondo school summer of 2008 w/ other Chinoys from Cagayan De Oro & Zamboanga
- Speaks Chinese, doesn't know how to speak Tagalog
- Idolizes Danny Seigle, Sun Yue & Lie Wei
- Preparing papers for transfer to a local college in 2008
- 25% Pinoy (Mother is 50% Chinese, Father is 100% Chinese)
- Both parents were born here, & are naturalized Pinoys
- Grandparents are both 100% Chinese, migrated to Bataan then Manila. Both also are naturalized Pinoys
- Father is 6'5", played for local Chinese high school, currently employed at the DFA

Until something concrete comes up, though, the above information could just be a nice work of fiction, somebody's idea of a joke.

MonL
10-12-2007, 09:09 PM
Here's what we know of the player, from the Interbasket forums, on posts by "Burndvinyard":
-* 6'9"
-* From the province of Xiamen in China
-* 17 years old as of 2007
-* Reportedly likes to have outside skills, shooting needs work, decent ballhandler, needs to work on back to the basket skills
-* Trained in a Binondo school summer of 2008 w/ other Chinoys from Cagayan De Oro & Zamboanga
-* Speaks Chinese, doesn't know how to speak Tagalog
-* Idolizes Danny Seigle, Sun Yue & Lie Wei
-* Preparing papers for transfer to a local college in 2008
-* 25% Pinoy (Mother is 50% Chinese, Father is 100% Chinese)
-* Both parents were born here, & are naturalized Pinoys
-* Grandparents are both 100% Chinese, migrated to Bataan then Manila.* Both also are naturalized Pinoys
-* Father is 6'5", played for local Chinese high school, currently employed at the DFA

Until something concrete comes up, though, the above information could just be a nice work of fiction, somebody's idea of a joke.* *



Hmmm.... this may not necessarily be fictional, if this guy Burndvinyard you mentioned is the same no-sh*t guy I know.

Schortsanitis
10-13-2007, 07:07 AM
Hmmm.... this may not necessarily be fictional, if this guy Burndvinyard you mentioned is the same no-sh*t guy I know.*


Well, that's a good sign, then. However, details like the player's name, & what school in Binondo the kid played would be nice, so maybe the details can be checked if true.

Also, somebody else must have seen this kid, a 6'9" player is hard to ignore in this basketball crazy country of ours. I was hoping maybe someone from a Binondo school would come forward & confirm some of the details, maybe even provide more information.

MonL
10-15-2007, 01:54 PM
Hmmm.... this may not necessarily be fictional, if this guy Burndvinyard you mentioned is the same no-sh*t guy I know.*


Well, that's a good sign, then.* However, details like the player's name, & what school in Binondo the kid played would be nice, so maybe the details can be checked if true.*

Also, somebody else must have seen this kid, a 6'9" player is hard to ignore in this basketball crazy country of ours.* I was hoping maybe someone from a Binondo school would come forward & confirm some of the details, maybe even provide more information.


Got to talk with burndvinyard(yep, siya nga.). The kid daw has gone back to China, and may be back next year. According to him, this kid can dribble the ball, and can even do crossovers. Medyo malamya pa nga lang. Some NU and FEU scouts saw him play but they were not interested daw ::). But the potential to play guard is there in the big kid.*Work in progress at best at this point.

Schortsanitis
10-15-2007, 03:30 PM
If you're the MonL from B-com, then I guess this kid really seems to be for real.

I hope he becomes even more successful than the last 6'9" player in the NCAA, though, Mark Andaya. Couldn't get Mark's stats from ubelt.com, seems their database is corrupted .....

toti_mendiola
10-15-2007, 04:23 PM
If you're the MonL from B-com, then I guess this kid really seems to be for real.

I hope he becomes even more successful than the last 6'9" player in the NCAA, though, Mark Andaya. Couldn't get Mark's stats from ubelt.com, seems their database is corrupted .....

Yep he is the one and only MonL of b.com.

Schortsanitis
10-15-2007, 05:02 PM
Thanks for all the confirmations. This definitely makes the coming college season even a bit more interesting .....

JakeCL
10-15-2007, 06:37 PM
Hmmm.... this may not necessarily be fictional, if this guy Burndvinyard you mentioned is the same no-sh*t guy I know.*


Well, that's a good sign, then.* However, details like the player's name, & what school in Binondo the kid played would be nice, so maybe the details can be checked if true.*

Also, somebody else must have seen this kid, a 6'9" player is hard to ignore in this basketball crazy country of ours.* I was hoping maybe someone from a Binondo school would come forward & confirm some of the details, maybe even provide more information.


Got to talk with burndvinyard(yep, siya nga.). The kid daw has gone back to China, and may be back next year. According to him, this kid can dribble the ball, and can even do crossovers. Medyo malamya pa nga lang. Some NU and FEU scouts saw him play but they were not interested daw ::). But the potential to play guard is there in the big kid.*Work in progress at best at this point.


i remember i saw some tall chinese kids in basketball jerseys running in the rain back in june along benavidez in binondo after we had some good breakfast in wai ying restaurant. there were two tall kids, one is around 6'7 and another taller one who could be 6'9. maybe this is the one you are talking about. but i don't think he's got traces of Pinoy blood... :P

Schortsanitis
10-15-2007, 09:37 PM
i remember i saw some tall chinese kids in basketball jerseys running in the rain back in june along benavidez in binondo after we had some good breakfast in wai ying restaurant. there were two tall kids, one is around 6'7 and another taller one who could be 6'9. maybe this is the one you are talking about. but i don't think he's got traces of Pinoy blood... :P


The info provided was that this kid:
- Was supposed to have grown up in Xiamen, China, hence doesn't know a word of Tagalog;
- He's supposed to be 25% Pinoy (mother is 50% Pinoy, father is 100% Chinese). Parents & grandparents, though, are supposed to be naturalized Filipinos.

thadzonline
10-18-2007, 03:19 PM
any names of those fil-chinese kids?

pachador
10-27-2007, 12:23 AM
6'11" Slaughter bombs MVBA champions for 20 points !!!

Arthro routs UV

Cebu Daily News
10/26/2007

CEBU CITY, Philippines - Reigning MVBA First Conference Visayas champion Arthro Kontra Arthritis banked on its experience and hardcourt maturity to smother seven-time CESAFI titlist University of the Visayas (UV) Green Lancers, 83-64, in their recent basketball exhibition match at the Consolacion Sports Complex.

Arthro of sports patron Jonathan 'Atan' L. Guardo and coach Al Solis did not give the UV Lancers of coach Elmer 'Boy' Cabahug any chance to recover after launching a decisive 16-7 opening attack.

Alex Cainglet had 13 points while Ronaldo 'Magic' Bucao had 12 for Arthro, which sealed the first half with a 13-point advantage, 41-28. Arthro further clobbered the Lancers in the final two quarters, 42-36, for the 19-point romp.

Former UV Lancers Leodi Garcia, Jerome Gadiane, and Jonas Mark Ababon contributed 10 points each for Arthro, while Doroteo Almacin, Jojo Omandam, Manny Garbas and Bernie Ursal combined for 31 markers.

Six-foot-11 Fil-Am Gregory Fuentes-Slaughter was the lone bright spot for UV with a game-high 20 points. Though for a losing cause, Slaughter's performance speaks for itself and connotes that he is ready to venture into the commercial ranks.

BOX SCORES:

Arthro (83) - Cainglet 13, Bucao 12, Garcia 10, Gadiane 10, Ababon 10, Almacin 9,

Omandam 9, Gabas 7, Ursal 6, France 4, Mapait 2

UV (64) - Slaughter 20, Berame 8, Tantongco 6, Dennison 6, Arda 5, Diputado 4,

Luga 4, Manigque 4, Cincoflores 4, Lao 1. Quarterscores:16-7, 41-28, 59-43, 83-64. /PR

onggok
10-27-2007, 02:28 AM
What happen to Jericho De Guzman ? can anybody give an update about him.

pachador
10-27-2007, 02:36 AM
ang last na balita ay nasa chicago siya. ewan ko lang kung may-nahanap na siya na school...




What happen* to* Jericho De Guzman ? can* anybody* give an update* about* him.

pachador
10-27-2007, 02:50 AM
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AnthonyServinio
10-27-2007, 03:05 AM
I have a confession to make. i wanted to unburden myself. back in high school, I punched a tall classmate of mine because he reported me to the teacher for no good reason. when his friend backed him up, i also punched his friend. Even though, i feel that they unfairly wrote me up to the teacher, my punching them was a violent over-reaction, and I apologize. That tall classmate went on to become a center at Ginebra and Shell turbochargers.* *:o* *sorry guys,, I wont reveal his name. if he reads this confession .* *he knows who i am . and sorry talaga !


Multiple choice tayo ha:

a. Sonny Cabatu
b. Jolly Escobar
c. Billy Mamaril
d. Romulo Mamaril
e. Anthony Poblador
f. Ricky Relosa
g. Terry Saldana
h. none of the above
???

pachador
10-27-2007, 03:09 AM
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pachador
10-27-2007, 03:39 AM
New Filipina-Syrian 6'2" giant:

Inquirer, Nov 1, 2007 by Beth celis

Ever since their silver medal finish in the Thailand Seaba last month, the RP ladies basketball team, which will be reinforced by three US-based players, have been drawing second looks from people.

Although our chances for a gold in the Thailand Southeast Asian Games have significantly increased with the acquisition of these cagebelles, head coach Fritz Gaston said he has mixed emotions over this development.

“Two or three additions will mean the same number of subtractions, I am both happy and sad,” Fritz said.

Expected to arrive within the next two weeks are Melissa Sison Jacob, 5’9, a pure Filipina (her last name is pronounced Hacob) who hails from Alaminos, Pangasinan; Fil-Syrian Amira Quintana Issa, 6’2 from Matalum, Leyte, and Rachel Ocampo, 5’2, from the University of California in Sta. Cruz.

Melissa, according to BAP-SBP executive director Pato Gregorio who did research on the trio, can play any position but is at her best at point. She can also shoot.

Amira, on the other hand, is expected to provide the much needed height and heft. And toughness, if I may add.

Every time Amira visits her home province, she keeps in shape by playing with the boys -- the only rose among the thorns. “Nakikipagbalyahan (Playing tough) with them,” according to Fritz.

Rachel, on the other hand, is a tryout who is paying for her trip.

Even the godfathers -- both big and small -- have started coming in. Fritz asked permission to thank supporters like Omikase Japanese Restaurant, Ruddy Tan of Burlington, Joey Campos of Petron, Jimmy Alabanza of Eastern Seaboard Insurance, who has insured the team for a maximum of P3 million each, and realtor Robin Tong.

pachador
11-02-2007, 11:36 AM
any pics of this 6'2" filipina-syrian ??

pachador
11-03-2007, 01:08 PM
Jojo Omandam at 6'7" and 275 lbs :


The Southern Scout: Green Lancers Gets Another Big Man
by Thaddeau Y. Engaling II
(October 31, 2007)

The University of the Visayas Green Lancers had their worst CESAFI season so far in the 7th edition, losing more than once in a season, before relying on their experience to capture their 7th CESAFI men's basketball title, subduing a gallant stand by the University of San Carlos Warriors that stretched the Finals series to its full length. This near-date with the end of their dynasty probably have prompted UV to undergo a good facelift in the offseason.

While the University of San Carlos Warriors still not striking a deal with their potential Fil-foreign recruits, the University of the Visayas Green Lancers is set to beef up their roster with yet another big man in 6-7, 275 pounds MVBA veteran Jojo Omandam who has been regularly practicing with the Green Lancers lately.

Jojo Omandam played alongside ex-pros Nelson Asaytono, Noynoy Falcasantos, Peter Naron and Michael Orquillas for the Pagadian Explorers in the National Basketball Conference. Omandam last played for the Arthro Kontra Arthritis squad in the Mindanao Visayas Basketball Association(MVBA). He is described as a bull-strong, wide-bodied post operator. He should be an able replacement for the Lancers' main postman, 6-8 Rino Berame as well as cushion the impact of the departure of big men Michael Luga(6-4, Power Forward), Eduardo Arda(6-4, Power Forward) and Ariel Mepa�a(6-5, Center/Power Forward). UV assistant coach Al Solis recruited Omandam whom he is also coaching at the Arthro squad of the MVBA.

The Green Lancers frontline should also improve with 6-11 Greg Slaughter, 6-5 Mark Manigque and 6-6 Edrian Lao getting more minutes and more mature with the past season's experience. Old post reliables Bonifer Sendrijas(6-2, Power Forward) and Eulogio Lasala, Jr.(6-2, Forward) should also provide a strong veteran inside presence. UV is also set to activate guards Phil Mercader, Harold Cincoflores and Harold Villanil, all former CESAFI juniors MVP awardees. This makes the team more loaded with offensive threats from its backcourt. Wingman Sylvester Tancongco should also be seeing more minutes next season which could be his breakout year if he takes off from where he left off, a sterling game in the deciding match of the past season's finale. UV's wing position should also be stronger with the rumored reactivation of the highflying Morsie Akad(6-2, Shooting Guard/Small Forward).

Seems like a lot of offseason updates from the Green Lancers after their worst CESAFI season so far despite their 7th straight basketball championship. Could they be preparing for a more dominating performance over the rest of the field in the 8th CESAFI season?

JonarSabilano
11-06-2007, 01:17 PM
Jericho De Guzman is now playing for the Martin Methodist College RedHawks, a NAIA team based in Pulaski, Tennessee. Roster below:

http://www.goredhawks.com/basketball/men/roster/index.html

thadzonline
11-06-2007, 03:57 PM
good, JDG gets into a college program finally although its a lesser league than the US NCAA though

pachador
11-07-2007, 07:18 AM
Jericho de Guzman will have a defensive-minded coach:

RedHawk’s Announce New Head Coach for Men’s Basketball

Martin Methodist College announces the hiring of Andy Sharpe as the new head men’s basketball coach for the RedHawk’s program.*

Andy is a graduate of Reinhardt College and former men’s basketball player for the Eagles. For the last two years, Coach Sharpe has served as the head coach for Emmanuel College (Franklin Springs, GA) men’s basketball team. The Lions are coming off a historic 27 – 11 season where Sharpe was named the Southern States Athletic Conference Men’s Basketball Coach of the Year and his team advanced to the championship game of their SSAC conference tournament.

Jeff Bain, Director of Athletics for the RedHawks says that Coach Sharpe may be one of the youngest head coach in America for a four-year institution.

"Coach Sharpe has maturity beyond his years", states Bain, "At 28 years old, Andy brings proven success, a hard work ethic, and an injection of energy to our program. With his work ethic and collegiate coaching successes Coach Sharpe brings a personality that will blend perfect with our existing coaching staff and a master’s degree in Physical Education which will supplement our academic curriculum. His resume was ideal for our needs."

"Andy will inherit a team with a solid returning nucleus with only a hole or two to fill from last year. However, he has a lot to do in a short amount of time. I look forward to seeing Coach Sharpe attack his goals in this abbreviated timeline," continues Bain.

Coach Sharpe announces, "I sincerely look forward to this great opportunity at Martin Methodist College. Our team may not always shoot the ball well or run an offensive to perfection, but we will always play hard, win the hustle plays, and play with great pride on the defensive end. Our teams will be fun to watch for our fans."

Coach Sharpe replaces Jason Ficca who lead the RedHawks to a 20 – 12 record this past season and was selected as the TranSouth Athletic Conference Men’s Basketball Coach of the Year. Coach Ficca accepted a position as Athletic Director and Head Men’s Basketball Coach at Laramie County Community College in Cheyenne, Wyoming.





Jericho De Guzman is now playing for the Martin Methodist College RedHawks, a NAIA team based in Pulaski, Tennessee. Roster below:

http://www.goredhawks.com/basketball/men/roster/index.html

pachador
11-07-2007, 07:28 AM
Pulaski, Tennessee is the birthplace of the KKK* * * ;D baka mag-takbuhan sila pag-nakita nila ang pinoy giant :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIoUlHKpI_s




Jericho De Guzman is now playing for the Martin Methodist College RedHawks, a NAIA team based in Pulaski, Tennessee. Roster below:

http://www.goredhawks.com/basketball/men/roster/index.html

BedanRoar
11-07-2007, 12:41 PM
ASK COACH E
Eric Altamirano


Looking for tall men

A READER, Keith Daryl Goroza, informed us about the forum thread in the web site interbasket.net.

Goroza, whom this writer would surmise to be true-basketball fan, said they are looking out for tall players who could possibly help the Philippine team in the future.

The forum members, first of all, proposed that all players at least six-foot-seven in height and below 20 years of age should automatically be included in the training pool.

Most of the names that sprouted during the conversations were six-eight Joel Ambohot of Davao, Junemar Fajardo of Cebu who is about six-seven along with Jojo Omandam (six-seven), Gregory Slaughter (six-eleven) and Jericho de Guzman (six-eleven).

There’s also a six-foot-nine Filipino, whom a forum member Burndvinyard gave an account that reads: “Wait til I bring in after a couple of years, a 17-year old six-nine Chinoy from Xiamen who can play the point. We trained him last summer in a Binondo school. He’s back in Xiamen now for school and arranging papers for his transfer here in Manila by next year. Darn, I’m so excited. Man, this is still a kid. The bad thing is, he still needs to learn to play with his back to the basket; and, his shooting. He went 10 out of 50 during a shooting drill. That is still bad shooting for me. Way, way bad. But I believe playing the point position would benefit this kid more. He’s quick and mobile, can do some crossovers and leg dribbles. He saw Danny Seigle in person and made him his instant court idol, next to Sun Yue and Liu Wei. Imagine if he finally learns to play like Danny.

His grandparents (father side) are pure Chinese who migrated to Bataan and finally to Manila. They later on decided to be naturalized as Filipinos. The kid was born here in Manila. His parents were likewise both born here. His mother is half-Filipino, half-Chinese.

His father (who was born in Manila and by virtue of the naturalization merits granted to his grandparents before his father was born) is a Filipino citizen of pure Chinese descent. His father even boasts a height of six-five and played for a Chinese high-school basketball team in Manila. As to this boy’s school of choice here in Manila, it is still very uncertain where he will be enrolling in”.

Goroza’s gang suggests that two tall players, particularly Slaughter and de Guzman, be sent to a Big Man’s Camp as they claimed that these players would be ready in two to four years to help the Philippine team along with the likes of Japeth Aguilar and Gian Chu.

pachador
11-10-2007, 04:13 AM
Eman Samigue stars as Magnolia downs Alaska

Nov 9, 2007

ANTIPOLO. –Samigue Eman has been billed as Magnolia’s future inside operator, a tag that accompanied him since he was made the second overall pick in the Rookie Draft last August.

Eman gave a peek of what the future holds by boosting the Beverage Masters to a 112-108 win over the Alaska Aces Friday evening in the Smart-PBA Philippine Cup at the Ynares Sports Center here.

The 6-foot-9 Eman scored a career-high 16 points, shooting a perfect 5-of-5 from the field and 6-of-6 from the foul line, to go with his five rebounds and a conference-high five blocks in 25 minutes of action.

Those numbers were a far cry from the former University of Mindanao standout, who went into the game averaging 3.8 points and 2.8 rebounds in Magnolia’s first five games.

"He really played well," admitted Magnolia coach Siot Tanquingcen. "But it’s unfair to get the expectations too high. He’s a project, his value will be known in two years. That’s a bonus for us that he played well."

Eman, a former University of Mindanao hotshot, went 6-of-6 from the free-throw line and hit all of his five attempts inside the paint, including a pair of rim-rattling dunks that electrified the Ynares Center crowd. Eman's last dunk, coming off an entry pass by Danny Ildefonso.

The 6-foot-9 Eman, getting valuable tips from the veteran Danny Ildefonso, used his height advantage to the hilt as he ran rings around his defenders while proving his worth on the other end by swatting away five shots.

“Danny I (Ildefonso) keeps telling Sam he’s going to retire in two years so he’s teaching him the ropes,” said Magnolia coach Siot Tanquingcen. “Sam is a work in progress but I’m glad he’s playing really well this early.”

The win improved the Beverage Masters’ win-loss record to 4-2, joining idle TNT at second spot and bouncing the team back from a bitter 94-100 loss to the Phone Pals their last time out.



summarized from major newspapers.

pachador
11-14-2007, 04:49 AM
some factors to consider for Pinoy college giants desiring to play in the USA and gain experience:

What Led a Top NCAA Athlete to Transfer to an NAIA Program

By BRAD WOLVERTON

March 2007

Jessica Richter remembers the many luxuries of playing NCAA Division I basketball at Syracuse University: taking chartered flights, eating filet mignon on road trips, signing up for tutoring sessions even though she never needed academic assistance.

But after her freshman season, she grew weary of life in a top program. She says coaches routinely criticized players' shortcomings and seemed more interested in winning games than getting to know players off the court. The plethora of rules in the National Collegiate Athletic Association made basketball feel like all business and no play.

The frustrations led her to transfer. With her talent — she averaged 13 points a game in 2004-5, making her one of Syracuse's leading scorers — she could have gone anywhere she wanted. But she did not want to sit out a season, and NCAA rules require players to lose a year of eligibility when they transfer to competing NCAA institutions.

By moving to a program in the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics, however, Ms. Richter could play right away. So she transferred to Vanguard University of Southern California, in Costa Mesa, Calif.

Ms. Richter chose Vanguard because it is a faith-based institution, giving her plenty of opportunities to explore her Christian beliefs. And she liked its history of basketball success. The women's team regularly beats top NCAA Division I programs. This year it took down the University of Oregon, which played in the 2006 NCAA women's basketball tournament.

More Practice, More Fun

Now, after two seasons in an NAIA program, Ms. Richter finds that the less-restrictive environment suits her style. The Vanguard team is allowed to practice together year-round, spending as many hours on the court as necessary. (NCAA programs are limited to 20 hours of practice per week during certain months.)

Her Vanguard team practices more than her Syracuse team did, but she says she still has time for outside activities.

"We have other stuff besides basketball — school and other social functions," she says. "But basketball is fun, and we're committed to it, and we enjoy putting our time into it."

Ms. Richter also appreciates the time her coach spends with players away from the gym. Russ Davis, Vanguard's head women's basketball coach, regularly goes out to dinner with groups of players, getting to know them as individuals as much as athletes.

"He's very much about the relationship part of our experience and considers us his family," she says. "That helps us on the court because he knows different people need to be coached different ways."

The approach has helped the team shine. This year Vanguard went 28-0 during the regular season, entering this week's NAIA tournament as the top seed.

Ms. Richter also had a breakout season, averaging 21 points a game and winning conference Player of the Year honors.

She has no regrets about leaving the NCAA limelight, even though her days of playing on national television and flying on private jets are over.

"I'm much happier now," she says. "I have a coach and professors who really care about me, and my life is a lot less stressful."


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http://chronicle.com
Section: Athletics
Volume 53, Issue 29, Page A34

pachador
11-15-2007, 01:23 AM
Pinoy cagers hone skills in US leagues

By Joaquin Henson
Thursday, November 15, 2007

Three tall Filipino teenagers are now enrolled in US schools to hone their basketball skills in the hope of someday playing for the country in international competitions.

While they’re considered “projects,” there’s no doubt the future is bright in the cage careers of 6-9 Japeth Aguilar of Western Kentucky University, 6-9 Gian Chiu of Oberlin College and 6-11 Jericho de Guzman of Martin Methodist College.

Aguilar, who played two years for the Ateneo seniors, is averaging 3.7 points, 3.3 rebounds and 15.3 minutes for the Hilltoppers this season. Against Kennesaw State last Friday, he compiled six points, three rebounds and four turnovers in 17 minutes as the varsity won, 96-61.

Western Kentucky is an NCAA Division I school that has produced NBA players Clarence Glover and Jim McDaniels. Another graduate was Fil-Am Kurtis Townsend, now University of Kansas assistant coach. Townsend’s brother Ray played for UCLA and Golden State and Indiana in the NBA.

Aguilar was recruited by Hilltoppers coach Darrin Horn who has a reputation for spotting potential talent. Horn was credited for recruiting Dwayne Wade for Marquette. Aguilar and the Ivory Coast’s Desire Gabon are the only foreigners in Horn’s roster.

Chiu, 18, makes his NCAA Division III debut against Swarthmore College tomorrow. He played two years for Desert Christian high school in California before moving to Oberlin in Ohio. As a senior at Desert Christian, Chiu averaged 16.6 points, 11.7 rebounds and 1.3 blocked shots. He hit .520 from the field, scored at least 20 points in eight of 24 games and fired a high of 29 in Desert Christian’s 62-48 win over Bloomington Christian. Chiu earned All-Conference second team honors and was named to the World Quest Academic team for being an A-student.

Oberlin coach Isaiah Cavaco said Chiu is the Yeomen’s cornerstone. “Gian is an imposing presence in the paint on both ends of the floor,” said Cavaco. “We haven’t had size like this in the last three years and he will add a whole new dimension to our team. He is very skilled with both hands, has great balance and is extremely long. I am looking forward to seeing what exactly Gian can do and helping him become a top player in our conference.”

The other day, Chiu collected 11 points, 12 rebounds and four blocked shots in an Oberlin pre-season game.

Chiu played for the Ateneo juniors before he was referred by Golden State Warriors scout Ron Michaels to Desert Christian for a tryout. Michaels saw Chiu play at the Nike camp in China.

Chiu’s mother Mary Ann, a Metro Bank branch manager, said her son’s dream is to play for the national team.

“Coach Luigi Trillo called to ask if Gian would be available to play 3-on-3 for the Philippines in the recent Asian Indoor Games in Macau,” said Mary Ann. “Gian was able to get permission from his coach to play but we didn’t hear from coach Luigi again. He probably chose players who were already familiar with each other.”

Chiu’s younger brother Luigi, 16, is 6-2 but isn’t into basketball. His parents are both tall – father Emerson is 6-1 and Mary Ann, 5-11.

Although Chiu plays in Division III, he said the experience will go a long way in developing his game. “Whether it’s Division I or III, Gian believes the important thing is he learns and improves,” said his mother.

De Guzman is red-shirting as a sophomore at National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) contender Martin Methodist in Pulaski, Tennessee. Redhawks coach Andy Sharpe will likely activate De Guzman next season.

De Guzman played briefly for FEU’s B-team before leaving for the US.

FEU team owner Anton Montinola said De Guzman was with FEU only a few months. “He was sent to the US to train in a big man’s camp,” added Montinola. “Very raw but he’s a legit 6-11.”

De Guzman has been likened to 7-foot E. J. Feihl. With US training, he could develop into an inside force for the national team in the future.

A Fil-Am who decided to play in the Philippines is 6-11 Greg Fuentes Slaughter. The teenager is now enrolled at the University of the Visayas.

pachador
11-15-2007, 02:22 PM
Jericho is not listed anymore in the martin methodist roster..... was he cut? did he go to another school? or no one took him?

onggok
11-16-2007, 12:44 PM
Jericho is not listed anymore in the martin methodist roster..... was he cut? did he go to another school? or no one took him?


He was not listed because He is Redshirt. Remembered Japeth last year, He was not on the active list too.

pachador
11-17-2007, 01:29 AM
I thought , in NAIA , there is no red-shirting rule. or thats not true?






Jericho is not listed anymore in the martin methodist roster..... was he cut? did he go to another school? or no one took him?
* * * * * * * * *

He* was not listed* because* He is* Redshirt. Remembered* Japeth last* year, He was not on the* active* list* too.

gameface_one
11-22-2007, 10:45 AM
Slow start for Pinoy cagers
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
Thursday, November 22, 2007
Philstar.com


It hasn’t been a rousing start for two Filipino cagers in the US NCAA.

Japeth Aguilar is averaging 3.3 points, 3.8 rebounds and 15.3 minutes in four games so far for Western Kentucky University, a Division I contender. He’s hitting 3-of-10 field goals (.300) and 7-of-9 free throws (.778). The consolation is the Hilltoppers won those four contests over Campbellsville State, 94-67, Kentucky State (where Billy Ray Bates and Jay-Jay Helterbrand once played), 102-52, Kennesaw State, 96-61, and Kentucky Wesleyan, 88-67.

Aguilar was the last man off the bench in each of the games, an indication that coach Darrin Horn has no major role in mind for the former Ateneo center. Worse, Aguilar didn’t even play in Western Kentucky’s last game, an 87-63 win over Murray State.

Gian Chiu is also off to a slow beginning at Oberlin College in Ohio. He was the starting center in the Yeomen’s Division III season debut and missed all seven attempts from the floor in 21 minutes. Chiu grabbed a single rebound and committed four turnovers as Oberlin lost an 81-62 decision to Swarthmore College on the road. Ryan Magiere, a rookie like Chiu, tallied 10 points for the losers.

In his second outing, Chiu started again for Oberlin but this time, played only eight minutes. He was 0-4 from the floor, snagged a rebound and had a turnover in limited time. Alas, Oberlin was trounced by Haverford College, 58-35.

The other homegrown Filipino cager enrolled in a US school, 6-11 Jericho de Guzman, is sitting out this season as a redshirt sophomore for Martin Methodist College in Tennessee.

* * *

Tony Harris is dead. He was reportedly found with an electrical cord around his neck, hanging from a tree, in an Army training ground in Formosa, Gojas, about 50 miles east of the Brazilian capital city Brasilia last Sunday.

Harris, 37, played basketball at Washington State then saw action as an import in Brazil, Russia and Venezuela. He played three games for the Brazilian club Universo before disappearing two weeks ago.

A former South American league MVP, Harris tried to leave Brazil but his passport was held by his team. He took a taxi out of Brasilia and left the cab on foot, leaving his laptop and credit card, when he couldn’t pay the fare. It appeared that he was running away from something or someone. A team supervisor said Harris was crying and talking nonsense in his hotel room shortly before vanishing. Could he have been terrorized by a gambling or game-fixing syndicate?

It was incorrectly mentioned in wire reports that Harris had once played for the Boston Celtics. The Tony Harris who wore the Celtic green was the former University of New Orleans star and PBA import nicknamed “Hurricane.” That Harris is now 40. He scored a record 105 points for Swift in a 152-147 win over Ginebra in a PBA game in Iloilo City in 1992.

The Tony Harris who played in the PBA isn’t the Tony Harris who died in Brazil a few days back.

The list of PBA imports who have passed away includes Ronnie Thompkins, Carlos Terry, Jim Bradley, Bruce (Sky) King and Anthony Roberts.

* * *

As an actor, recent Manila visitor and veteran boxing referee Lou Filippo of Los Angeles said he was always treated with respect by TV stars such as George Peppard and Mr. T (“A-Team”), Ricardo Montalban (“Fantasy Island”) and Bruce Willis (“Moonlighting”).

“I was lucky to get parts,” said Filippo. “But I never had a kissing scene. In the ‘Rocky’ movies, we were about 30 who auditioned for the referee’s role. About seven or eight were real referees like me. I loved working with (Sylvester) Stallone who could’ve been a boxer. He knew how to fight. In the movies, I couldn’t referee the way I did in the ring because the director tells you where to go and what to do. But it was a lot of fun.”

Filippo, 81, appeared in five “Rocky” movies. He attended the recent WBC convention at the Manila Hotel and was in town for a week.

One of Filippo’s favorite fighters was the late world featherweight champion Salvador Sanchez whom he said could’ve gone on to become the greatest Mexican fighter ever. He was killed in an automobile accident in the prime of his career.

Filippo said today’s referees are competent and measuring up to standards. He named Laurence Cole, Tony Weeks, Kenny Bayless, Jay Nady and Bruce McTavish among the top arbiters.

For aspiring referees, Filippo advised they should master the rules, do what’s right and stay in tip-top physical condition.

“I’m about 30 pounds overweight now,” he said. “But when I was active, I used to run every morning and go to the gym.”

On the proliferation of governing bodies, Filippo said he has no problem with it. “They’re just doing their job,” he said. “Everyone has a different outlook in life. I think it’s great for fighters that there are so many titles to fight for, so many chances to earn big purses and become champions. When I fought, there was only one champion in a weight class.”

Postscript: The third season of the St. Ignatius de Loyola Cup inter-school Invitational Basketball Tournament opened at the Xavier University Gym in Cagayan de Oro City last Saturday. There are 27 teams playing in the grade school, high school junior varsity (14-under), high school varsity (17-under) and college men divisions. Xavier athletics director Gerry Sabal said the Loyola Cup was conceived in 2005 to assure continuity in the basketball programs of participating schools, namely Xavier, Capitol University, COC-Pharma, ACSAT, STI, Pilgrim Christian College, Southern Philippines College, Liceo de Cagayan University, St. Mary’s School, Corpus Christi, Merry Child School and Sacred Heart Montessori. Xavier college athletics coordinator John Montalvan said this year’s Cup is sanctioned by the SBP under regional head Rey Baula.

ankle breaker
12-04-2007, 04:20 AM
you know why? it's because the PBA measures players lying flat on their backs, na kala mo sinusukatan ng ataul sa morgue. para raw walang dayaan. alam nyo, kaya ganito ang paraan ng pagsukat sa PBA ay dahil kay sylvester gray, ginebra's monster import in the late 80s. rival PBA GMs raised a collective howl of protest because they felt gray was well above the height limit of 6'6 for the reinforced conference at the time (not to mention that he was built like a greek statue and was a rebounding and shotblocking force to boot). to resove the matter, the PBA front office ordered a re-measure of sly gray, but this time lying flat out on his back. there, 6'6 nga eksakto.

kung ako'y isang coach nung panahong yun, maghahanap din ako ng 6'8 import at makikipagsapalaran akong liliit sya nang 2 pulgada pag sinukat sa paraang ito.

you can also compare the scenario to rosell ellis. remember, he played in all import laden conferences in the PBA. he can shrink his height and he also extend it whenever he wanted to too. sounds crazy, right? he once measured as 6'3" then he became 6'6" then he was 6'2" at one time. he played for in 2002, ginebra in 2003-2004 and alaska in 2007 winning a title for them plus the best import plum. you be the judge. even in height checkup, hocus pocus is around in the PBA.

ankle breaker
12-04-2007, 04:22 AM
by any chance, are the 7-foot lopez twins of stanford part filipino? or are they hispanic?

they are of hispanic origin. not single filipino blood for robin and brook lopez of stanford.

ankle breaker
12-04-2007, 04:37 AM
OT:

Baka ito mas malapit pang mapagkamalang pinoy. Tsaran..... RUDY FERNANDEZ* ;D

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/rudyfernandez.asp

he is a spaniard bro. the names of spaniards and pinoys and other hispanic countries sounds the same.

thadzonline
12-04-2007, 10:46 AM
haha, I remember that Spaniard Rudy Fernandez, was he part of Spain's NT?

AnthonyServinio
12-05-2007, 03:04 PM
* * *THERE is a 6'5" high school junior at Sacred Heart in Cagayan de Oro City, obviously a member of the school's varsity basketball team. It's not sure yet where she will go for college.

thadzonline
12-05-2007, 03:54 PM
Sir Anthony, hindi ba si Philip Paredes na?

fujima04
12-05-2007, 04:10 PM
THERE is a 6'5" high school junior at Sacred Heart in Cagayan de Oro City, obviously a member of the school's varsity basketball team. It's not sure yet where she will go for college.


A 6'5" Lady Baller? She will definitely be a big catch. Sa Women's Basketball, 6'2" lang pwede na mag-sentro.

thadzonline
12-05-2007, 04:48 PM
toinks, she pala..haha, missed that completely hahahaha

Schortsanitis
12-08-2007, 11:23 AM
Is Jeff Khalili of PUP really 6'9"? How come this guy continues to be "under the radar" of most schools out there? He's had a couple of 30 point games, but if the scouts hadn't pick him up, I assume he's not really that good, at least up to UAAP / NCAA level?

AnthonyServinio
12-08-2007, 11:30 AM
Is Jeff Khalili of PUP really 6'9"?* How come this guy continues to be "under the radar" of most schools out there?* He's had a couple of 30 point games, but if the scouts hadn't pick him up, I assume he's not really that good, at least up to UAAP / NCAA level?

I have seen the player and I think he is really 6'7" and that's being generous already. I have the idea that the drumbeaters of the NCRAA listed him as such in order to get attention to the league and its players.

pachador
12-30-2007, 11:51 PM
new Fil-am giant from San Francisco. he is 6'8" , Antonio Herico , 18 years old:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=4380531&MyToken=ce976097-dd77-43ca-9b16-6df004490000

gameface_one
12-31-2007, 01:58 PM
^^^the kid is not interested to play hoops. More info can be provided by thadzonline.