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03-10-2007, 09:43 AM
PBA mulls online betting


THE PHILIPPINE Basketball Association is reportedly ready to jump on the online betting craze.

Negotiations are under way between the PBA and officials of the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation or PAGCOR, which operates several online gambling schemes as well as casino houses.

According to a PBA source, several options are being considered on the format of the betting but the most popular, which is choosing the ending of the total of the two opposing teams’ final scores, is reportedly not one of them.

The idea of legalizing online betting started when league officials and PAGCOR representatives begun exploring the possibility of a tie-up late last year after PAGCOR opened online betting on PBA games without the league’s sanction.

PBA Commissioner Noli Eala confirmed the ongoing talks between the league and PAGCOR officials, although he refused to give any details on the status of the negotiations.

PAGCOR, which functions under the Office of the President, reportedly earns at least R10 million a week and about R40 million a month on its PBA betting scheme. The PBA now wants a share of the revenue by giving its approval on the gambling site.

A source said PAGCOR was ready to offer at least R300 million a year for the jont venture. The same source said the money will go as part of the merchandizing income and will be divided evenly by member teams.

The possibility of getting additional income has tittillated some teams as some of them reportedly are having cash-flow problems with regard to funding a basketball team which costs around P50 million a year.

Two PBA coaches interviewed by the Bulletin yesterday had misgivings about the PBA’s planned revenue-raising project.

Red Bull coach Yeng Guiao said he is worried that the games might be manipulated by gambling syndicates. At the same time if the syndicates are truly active, the players might also be harassed or bought thus influencing the outcome of the games, he said.

"But if the betting will only for the final score to determine, I guess there’s no problem to that. It is random kaya OK lang siguro," said Guiao.

Air21 Coach Bo Perasol differs with Guiao.

"My personal opinion is that the PBA should keep its wholesome image. We’re not discouraging it and we’re not encouraging either. Ang sa akin lang di na tayo maging part nun, we should stick na lang as an entertainment industry and as an example to the youth," said Perasol.

One of the possibilities, according to the same PBA source, of the online betting is for the bettor to bet on the combined scores per quarter of two competing teams in each game, as well as for the combined final scores.

The scheme will be different from what the PAGCOR uses to the one the PBA plans to use if it finally makes a decision, said the source.

03-10-2007, 02:14 PM
Papalpak ang proyekto na ito . . . pustahan tayo!!! :D

Anyway, mag palaro nalang tayo ng "Ending"!!! ::) ;D

03-12-2007, 02:41 PM
I think doing this will legally open a pandora's box of sorts. I've seen this in some countries (like singapore) where betting is legal (football, horseracing, etc.) -- Just imagine the killing it made during the last world cup. Pero it also opened a lot of socio-economic problems -- personal bankcruptcy, insolvency, chronic gambling, broken families, depression, game fixing, etc. Unless the government would like to have these problems on their laps, i think they should steer far away from this.

I would also think it wouldn't be as simple as ending or +/- points. PAGCOR will surely make the odds a bit more difficult for the bettors.

03-12-2007, 09:33 PM
Parang sa NBA ah. ;D

Hoops McCann
03-19-2007, 09:01 AM
the bottom line is that the government wants in on the potential cash bonanza of online betting. my concern here is that this might lead to betting on college sports like UAAP and NCAA basketball. our authorities already have their hands full investigating rumors of point shaving and game fixing in college basketball and the involvement of gambling syndicates in sta mesa and binondo; God knows what they will be up against when betting becomes available for anyone with internet access and a credit card.

03-23-2007, 09:17 AM
Not everyone happy with PBA ‘gaming’

By Musong R. Castillo
Last updated 05:39am (Mla time) 03/22/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- Whether it’s for fun and it’s interactive or not, gaming that will involve money in the Philippine Basketball Association does not sit well with those who share pure love for the game.

Most people believe that it will destroy the purity of the game and that the sport -- and the league for that matter -- can stand on its own.

“Let’s just enjoy the game,” four-time PBA MVP Alvin Patrimonio told the Philippine Daily Inquirer Wednesday night. “Whether it is P1 or P100,000, anytime you place money on the table, it is still considered a form of gambling.

“We need to work hard for our money, not earn it through other means.”

The Inquirer moved around at the Araneta Coliseum Wednesday night while a regular double header of the Fiesta Cup was going on, and asked around for reactions of some fans and those who know the game and the league well regarding the newest money-making machine of the league.

“It’s not a good idea in my opinion,” said Felicitas Francisco, the Physical Education directress at University of Santo Tomas and a member of the UAAP board. “Whether this is gaming or gambling, it will reach the students in one way or another.

“This definitely won’t be good to our youth,” she added. “Besides, there is already too much of gambling going around in other ways that it wouldn’t hurt if (the sport of) basketball is left alone.”

Together with the Philippine Amusements and Gaming Corporation (Pagcor), the PBA launched on Sunday a betting game called “Hula Hoops,” a game that involves numbers derived from the results of PBA games.

An electronics-based game that could produce extra income for the government and the PBA, “Hula Hoops” has two games: Winning Digits and Point Spread.

Interested persons can join by buying eGames prepaid cards then texting their entries. Cards are available in P100, P500 and P1,000 denominations in various outlets. Each entry combination costs P10. A texter will just predict the last digit of the scores of the leading team per quarter in Winning Digits.

Winning entries in Winning Digit are worth P55,000 for first to fourth quarters, P5,500 for second to fourth quarters and P550 for third to fourth.

“In my own opinion, prudence dictates that the PBA stay away from it,” said retired PBA commissioner Jun Bernardino over the phone. “Gaming per se has no problem, but the word has so many negative connotations.

“It will be hard to explain what differences the words gaming and gambling have and it will illicit a lot of negative reactions.”

Bernardino recalled a time during his term when he and his staff had thought of coming up with a game that would legalize the “ending” game going on in the streets.

But one ride in an elevator inside a posh hotel to attend a meeting and with the operator asking him on what the “winning ending” combination would be for the coming games made him change his mind and ditch the idea altogether.

“I am not in a position to condemn the PBA,” Bernardino said. “But I would rather that the PBA, it being the PBA, not get involved (in any form of gambling).”

“Hula Hoops” will go on for the duration of the Fiesta Cup.

03-26-2007, 09:46 AM
Gaming won’t compromise PBA’s integrity
By Joaquin Henson
The Philippine Star 03/26/2007

PBA commissioner Noli Eala said yesterday the league’s integrity will not be compromised by its Pagcor affiliation in promoting a mobile interactive fun game called "Hula Hoops" that involves playing with numbers.

Eala said the two ways of playing "Hula Hoops" – winning digits and point spread – create more interest in the PBA through a guessing game that has nothing to do with picking a winning or losing team.

"This is an official project of Pagcor and was approved at the highest level of management," said Eala. "When we agreed to support this project, we made sure there were enough safety measures to protect the integrity of the game. We know that Pagcor offers on-line gaming even without the PBA’s sanction through Philweb Internet Sports Betting so it’s better that we have a say on this interactive project."

It was reported that before tying up with the PBA, Pagcor operated a similar type of a numbers interactive e-game where players use cards with P100, P500 and P1,000 denominations to text their entries. A source said the bingo-like game generated about P100 million a month for the government agency.

Eala declined to estimate what is the PBA’s share in "Hula Hoops" but said "while it isn’t a big share, it’s adequate."

The PBA has earmarked its earnings from the Pagcor project for the players’ educational trust fund to benefit dependents, Gawad Kalinga and a pension fund for retired cagers.

"Our principal goal isn’t to make money out of this project," said Eala. "Our objectives are to increase viewership of the games by adding more fun to watching, to translate the interest in gaming to higher gate attendance and TV ratings and to provide a fund for our social outreach programs."

Eala said the project has no cost to the PBA.

In both the winning digits and point spread programs, it will cost P10 for a player to text an entry. There is the added cost of P1.25 for Smart subscribers and P1 for Sun subscribers per combination that is texted.

A P10 entry will win P55,000 if a player picks the right combination of numbers corresponding to the last digit of the leading team’s score at the end of each quarter. The prize is P5,500 for the digits at the end of the second, third and fourth periods and P500 at the end of the third and fourth quarters. A player may text combinations for three separate prizes in the course of a game with a cut-off at the sixth minute of each period.

The point spread program is more difficult to crack because unlike in the winning digits where the choice of numbers is from 0 to 9, the range is 0 to infinity with a pot that increases as long as no player wins in a lotto-like system. The starting pot was P26,000 when the PBA inaugurated the e-games last week. A player texts his prediction of the point spread at the end of each quarter.

Pagcor vice president for development Rene Figueroa worked out the project mechanics with the PBA.

"If Pagcor succeeded in its mobile interactive game without the PBA before, can you imagine how much more successful it will be with the PBA’s support," said Eala. "You can play ‘Hula Hoops’ anywhere in the Philippines. Winners are notified via text and prizes may be claimed at any Casino Filipino establishment in Metro Manila. E-cards are available in a variety of outlets including Megacellular, ADI Telecoms, Pagcor casinos, Mini-stop and Semicon. It’s a game within a game and a sure way for fans to enjoy watching the PBA more."

Sam Miguel
04-02-2007, 08:50 PM
I don't begrudge the PBA cashing in on the Pinoy love for gaming and gambling. After all, if PAGCOR can be a legitimate source of advertising revenue why can't the PBA go towards the logical extension and just run its own gaming? It's not like there aren't enterprising fellows out there already making book on the PBA games, and as we all know even the college games, boxing matches, UFC matches, billiards matches, etc-etc.

Why are we all in a tizzy over the PBA cashing in directly on its own? Because there is a moral question here? As far as I'm concerned if a person makes the decision to gamble ON THEIR OWN then that is THEIR OWN LOOKOUT. If no one puts a gun to your head to bet on the lottery, the sweepstakes, the sports competitions, the races, the cockfights, or heaven forbid the PBA, then that is ultimately your own responsibility. Do not blame your weakness on the bet collector or gambling lord.

This whole game fixing thing is nothing more than people getting upset over something that all of us hoops fans have known to exist this whole bloody time. With or without official PBA gambling there has been, there is and there will always be gangs and syndicates putting a crooked spin to certain players, teams, officials, etc-etc, all of which are nearly impossible to prove independently.

PBA Numbers Game? Ho-hum...

Sam Miguel
08-14-2007, 11:25 AM
What's the latest on this one, how come there aren't big headlines about winners and draws?