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Kid Cubao
10-10-2006, 08:29 AM
this early in the season, it appears that the flagship teams of san miguel have retooled their systems to the delight of their fans. san miguel, under coach chot reyes, is now playing uptempo with the arrival of rookies gabby espinas and LA tenorio, while bgy. ginebra under jong uichico has abandoned its post attacks and instead unleashed the full might of guards mark caguioa and jj helterbrand. so what do you think? will this get them through the playoffs and all the way to the finals? let's hear your opinions and comments :)

christian
10-10-2006, 09:45 AM
Added to that the appointment of champion coach Pido as one of the assistant coaches of SMB.

joelex
10-10-2006, 07:42 PM
SMB is now a different team under coach Chot. As was seen in their debut, they abondoned much of their vaunted half court, slow down O into a fast paced one. They now apply more pressure in the backcourt and run every opportunity. They play small and at times tenorio and racel were on the floor together.

Contrary to statements that they are a powerhouse team, i really dont buy it that much because their 2nd stringers are made up most of, if I may say, other teams "leftovers", namely Wilson, Gonzales, Noble, Adrano and Calagiuo. But really, that 5 (with Pena or Espinas on the slot) at times really gave Red Bull fits. Not to bash Danny S, but when he came back in, Red Bull slowly clawed back and eventually won the game. These guys were out to prove something, especially Wesley, who played with more fire than usual. Chot really knows how to use his guys.

I expect this SMB version to begin racking up wins as soon as they gel as a team and get back Ildefonso to play.

Wang-Bu
10-10-2006, 08:57 PM
Kapag PBA All Star weekend dapat pagtapatin na lang ang Barangay Ginebra kontra sa isang Best Of The PBA na Selection. Sa lineup ng Gin Kings ngayon kulang na lang may mga malalaking biutin na nakaburda sa mga uniporme nila.

bigfreeze_bibby
10-11-2006, 07:51 AM
Ibang iba na nga laro ng SMB ngayon since the days of coach Norm, Ron J, and Jong (halos kay coach Ron ang basic structure ng plays ng SMB during the period that these three coaches held the coaching positions for SMB). Karamihan sa half court plays ng SMB e motion offense na and it will really take time before the SMB guys adjust sa bagong style ni coach Chot.

Maganda pinakita ni LA and ni Gabby sa debut games nila last week Friday against Red Bull kaya lang kinulang sa huli. I have to agree with joelex na sumama ang laro ng SMB nung binalik si Seigle nung 4th quarter. They really need to get Ildefonso back as well as Cablay.

Pag natalo pa Ginebra this season, coach na may problema dun talaga hehehe.

Kid Cubao
10-11-2006, 08:18 AM
san miguel ran a slowdown, halfcourt offensive system under ron jacobs and jong uichico because they had a solid frontline that can pound the ball inside and score off putbacks. ginebra, for its part, ran a full-court length halfcourt set which relies on their big men beating their defenders off the break under coach siot tanquincen.

this time, though, both san miguel and bgy. ginebra have kept their sets simple but with multiple options, no doubt influenced tremendously by the growing appreciation for the international game. pansinin nyo, halos wala na silang play-calling, puro read and react na lang sila. pag may overplay, parating hinahanap ang backdoor option. pag tight man-to-man, pick and roll kagad. pag nag-zona, hahanapin nila kagad yung mga zone gaps. medyo naninibago pa sila because there's so much freelancing going on, but i think the net effect is that you just let them play and they'll do fine.

bigfreeze_bibby
10-11-2006, 10:02 AM
Sa sobrang free lance nagkakaturnover tuloy because of unfamiliarity sa plays.

chocoks77
10-11-2006, 11:15 AM
Kapag PBA All Star weekend dapat pagtapatin na lang ang Barangay Ginebra kontra sa isang Best Of The PBA na Selection. Sa lineup ng Gin Kings ngayon kulang na lang may mga malalaking biutin na nakaburda sa mga uniporme nila.


Pwede ba natin ihalintulad yung Brgy. Ginebra sa koponan ng San Miguel nung '89 Grand Slam. Yun malakas din yung team na yun. Fernandez, Caidic, Samboy Lim, Hector Calma, Graves, Dignadice, Teng, Almario...etc.

Wang-Bu
10-12-2006, 03:36 PM
Call ako sa paghahalintulad na 'yan Sir Chocoks. Siempre ang pinakagwapong player ng SMB nung panahon na 'yon walang iba kundi si Jeffrey Graves. Ang sumunod sa kagandahang lalaki si Alvin "Robocop" Teng.

Mabalik sa pagiging All Star ng Barangay, mukhang muntikan sila sa isang "mahina" na Air 21 kagabi. Taragis talaga, laro na nga nilalaro pa, ayon, muntikang madale nung Arwind Santos. Mukhang hindi pa yata alam ng PBA kung gaano kagaling si Ricky Dandan bilang assistant coach. Tignan ninyong ginawang paghimay ng Air 21 sa depensa ng Barangay, kagagawan ni Ky-Ricks 'yon. Kailan kaya magigising ang PBA sa tunay na galing ni Ricky Dandan?

Wang-Bu
10-16-2006, 04:54 PM
Gabi ng laglagan kahapon para sa dalawang koponang alak ng SMC...

paralusi
10-19-2006, 03:23 PM
news flash from the PBA website:

San Miguel Acquires Adducul, Tugade, Rodriguez in a major 3-team deal. Story to follow...

bluebruiser90
10-19-2006, 04:04 PM
Heard that San Miguel gave up Mark Kong and Migs Noble who were shipped to Ginebra for Adducul.

Who did Red Bull get for losing Tugade?

sa_pula
10-19-2006, 04:26 PM
smb--- adducul,tugade,and rodriguez?

redbull--- kong.noble and 2007 1st round pick ( balak cguro kumuha ng atenista)

bgk ---- hubalde and 2007 1st round pick (conditional pick acquired from coke)

MrGotti
10-19-2006, 04:46 PM
What is redbull up to? Kong and Noble for Tugade and Rodriguez?! This is not a good trade. They should have gotten LA

bluebruiser90
10-19-2006, 05:03 PM
Or at least Wesley. He won't have much playing time there anyway.

Wang-Bu
10-19-2006, 06:50 PM
Sabi sa'kin ng mga ibang assistant coaches at team consultants nagahahanda na daw ang Beermen kung sakali mang hindi na makabalik sa dati niyang lakas si Danny Ildefonso kapag magaling na ang kanyang natamong kapansanan. Kumbaga nandun na si Adducul para insurance. Tancha ko lang tama din 'yon gawa ng wala na din nahihitang matinong playing time sa Barangay ko si idol Romel. Sa dami ng bigmen ng Barangay ngayon pahirapan talaga para kay Gen. Romel. Maganda din na ankuha ng Beermen si Lourdy Tugade dahil nagi-insurance din sila kung sakaling hindi na rin makabalik ng siento-porsiento si Danny Siegle.

Ang matindi nito mukhang naghahanda ding bumilis ang Barangay sa pagkuha kay Hubalde (sino bang Hubalde ito, si Paolo o si Derrick? Alangan namang si Nichole, nasa EAC pa ito) Mukhang hindi din pala tulyang makaalpas ang Barangay sa pagpapakawala nila kay Aris Dimaunahan at kumuha na naman sila ng isang gwardiya na mabilis tumakbo at mataas tumalon. 'Yon nga lang, kahit sino pa sa dalawang Hubalde ito wala sila sa depensa at kakayanan ni Aris na maging pointguard. 'Yun ang pinakamalaking pinakinabang ni Aris sa Barangay: natuto siyang maging pointguard. Bagama't hindi niya ito natural na pwesto OK lang, kaya na niyang mag-pointguard ngayon. Malamang susbukin din ng Barangay na ganun ang gawin kay Hubalde.

Sa 2007 maganda-ganda ang mga pagpipilian na player. Garantisado nariyan na ang mga gaya nina Mark Borboran, Bon Custodio, Marcy Arellano, Jonas Villanueva, Jeff Chan, JC Intal, Doug Kramer, Jojo Duncil, Allan Evangelista, Ken Bono, Rico Maeirhofer, Kiel Misa, Floyd Dedicatoria, Kelvin Dela Pena, Yousif Al Jammal, Rob Reyes, Joe Devance at iba pang bigating mga manlalaro. Sabihin na nating conditional na hindi pwede hanggang sa pan-limang selection sa first round ang Barangay at Red Bull, sa lalim ng draft sigurado may makukuha silang manlalaro na pwedeng ihasa ng husto, 'yung hindi kailangang madaliin, yaman rin lang at sa lakas ng kani-kanilang mga koponan ay hindi naman sila desperadong magpalakas pa lalo sa pamamagitan ng draft.

Kaaga pa ng kasalukuyang conference naghahanda na para sa susunod na season...

cub
10-19-2006, 10:13 PM
walang involved na 2007 picks sa nangyaring trade. :P

sa_pula
10-20-2006, 09:32 AM
smb lang nakinabang sa trade n2...walang involved na 2007 picks..ibig sabihin 2 parin ang 1st round pick ng smb (own pick at conditional pick na galing sa coke)..obvious na nakialam n nmn mangemnt ng smc...dapat hayaan n lang nila ung mga coaches ng 4 teams nila dumiskarte sa teams nila..sabi dati ni caidic after nagoffer yung welcoat na gsto nila kunin si adducul in exchange for cabatu and 2007 1st round picks sabi nila d nila pakakawalan si adducul pero ngaun halos pinamigay na nila sa smb..dapat pala sa coke n lang binigay ng bgk si adducul or pf na mas nangangaylangan ngayon ng big man..tsk..tsk..sabagay saling pusa lang kasi sa smc team ng coke and pf ;D ;D

bluebruiser90
10-20-2006, 10:24 AM
The only advantage that Red Bull got out of the trade was dumping the salaries of Tugade and Rodriguez. With the over supply at the 2 guard position in the San Miguel line-up, Red Bull could have packaged Calaguio or Gonzales as part of the trade to lessen the impact of Tugade's departure.

MrGotti
10-20-2006, 02:11 PM
I agree with you bluebruiser.* Tugade was their highest scorer and go-to-guy, they should have gotten a couple of impact players not bench warmers like kong and noble.* If they wanted more size up fromt they could have traded for one of the Danny's (kahit injured pa) or even Pena.* To make things funnier they elevated Waren Ybanez from the reserve pool to pitch in for Tugade which is useless.* Calaguio could have been a great fit in redbull's line up.*

Wang-Bu
10-20-2006, 02:17 PM
walang involved na 2007 picks sa nangyaring trade.* :P


Hindot...

Pero mapunta sa trade ulit, tama si Sir Bruiser, bakit kaya hindi man lang sinama ang ibang 2-guard ng Beermen sa trade? Ngayon sandamakmak ng mga Dos ng Beermen, meron silang Dondon Hontiveros, Chris Calaguio at ngayon Lourdy Tugade. Sino kaya ang mawawalan ng playing time? Kung gustong tumakbo ni Chot patay si Dondon, at kapuna-punang nawawala ngayon siya sa takbuhan. Kaya nga lang si Dondon ang best outside shooter niya. Hmm...

chocoks77
10-20-2006, 03:51 PM
walang involved na 2007 picks sa nangyaring trade.* :P


Hindot...

Pero mapunta sa trade ulit, tama si Sir Bruiser, bakit kaya hindi man lang sinama ang ibang 2-guard ng Beermen sa trade? Ngayon sandamakmak ng mga Dos ng Beermen, meron silang Dondon Hontiveros, Chris Calaguio at ngayon Lourdy Tugade. Sino kaya ang mawawalan ng playing time? Kung gustong tumakbo ni Chot patay si Dondon, at kapuna-punang nawawala ngayon siya sa takbuhan. Kaya nga lang si Dondon ang best outside shooter niya. Hmm...


Tingin ko may pabor pa din si Chot kay Dondon kasi bata niya yan sa National Team. Tsaka subok na din naman yan sa shooting. Baka si Calaguio mawalan ng oras. Tingin ko may iniinda yan si Honti kaya hindi gaanong may playing time

bluebruiser90
10-20-2006, 05:04 PM
Kumbaga sa insurance, over insured ang San Miguel sa 2.* Siegle, Tugade, Hontiveros, Calaguio, Adriano at si Wild Wes.* Granted na lahat yan may tama na or medyo matanda sa laro puwera kay Wes (iba naman problema nito), kailangan pumili ni Chot kung kanino siya susugal.* Malamang next year, tatlo diyan bargain na sa trade. Hindi lang natin alam kung sino.

Sam Miguel
10-20-2006, 05:09 PM
There was a recent rumor of a Hontiveros-Tugade trade that started sometime last conference then just sort of died down. When I heard Adducul had gone to SMB I thought for sure Hontiveros was now either in the Barangay of over at the Bulls´ pen. I wonder if all the coaches (especially Yeng Guiao) were all fully 100% behind these trades. Tugade helped Guiao win a couple of championships with Red Bull and has become one helluva pro baller. I cannot imagine Guiao ever even thinking of letting him go in a trade, unless it was for truly bigtime talent like Hontiveros or at least Calaguio and one other throw-in player. Instead Guiao now gets two barely warm bodies masquerading as PBA bigmen, Migs Noble and Mark Kong, giving them a crowded frontcourt that already has Enrico Villanueva, Mick Pennisi, Paolo Bugia, Rich Alvarez and the emergent Carlo Sharma. In the meantime they´ve lost their best perimeter player and a really good friend of Villanueva´s. The fallout of this trade for Red Bull may go deeper than the obvious.

Over at San Miguel, it looks like they´ve gotten the best end of the trades, shoring up a decimated frontline with one of the best bigmen in the pro ranks and getting yet another highly skilled, highly athletic wingman. With the absence of the two Danny´s the Beermen´s options have become severely limited. Without the dynamic Danny´s they´ve lost some 50% of their scoring and about 40% of their rebounding, numbers the incumbents are hard-pressed to make up. Thankfully they got LA Tenorio and Gabi Espinas from the rookie draft to keep themselves competitive if not exactly dominant. With the arrival of Adducul and Tugade they have regained credibility with their fans and have brought in guys who can approximate the numbers of the still-injured two Danny´s. The immediate beneficiaries of the newcomers are Dorian Pena, who is finding the going tough as the only legit bigman for the Beermen, and Hontiveros, who has not gotten as many good looks as before without the defensive coverage demanded by the two Danny´s.

Ginebra for its part was obviously nothing more than a third wheel who got the unexpected but still very welcome benefit of shipping out the still-talented but griping-of-late Adducul. They apparently got nothing in return (Paolo Hubalde) but every team needs practise fodder and roster fillers; one could do worse than a young, talented guard in that respect. They also got a conditional 2008 pick from the Beermen (actually Coke´s but acquired by SMB through an earlier transaction). Even if the Barangay will wind up picking at the bottom half of the first round they are looking at a pretty good draft that could include Rico Maeirhofer, Edwin Asoro, Nestor David, Tyrone T-ang, JV Casio, Chris Tiu, Marvin Cruz, Pong Escobal, Ogie Menor, Floyd Dedicatoria, Fritz Bauzon, Joferson Gonzalez, Jeff De Guzman (of New Era), Leomer Losentes, Chito Jaime, Gester Ebuen, Alain Musni, and a few other surprises. Undrafted players this year who may take another crack at it could include Rob Sanz, Jon Aldave and JP Alcaraz.

All told, looks like the Bulls were the ones who got the raw end of yet another SMC wheel and deal.

MrGotti
10-20-2006, 10:42 PM
Red Bull could have gotten noble and at least espinas. What a really disappointing trade unless they are planning to lure another big time player from another team.

joelex
10-21-2006, 03:05 AM
when red bull lost the title last conference, grapevine news had it that management was disgusted with the tendency of tugade to be missing in action during crucial games, for reasons i would just say as doing a..custodio. that rumor was already rounding the pba circles even during red bull's champoinship conference but died down after winning it all in that import conference...eventually finding its way back for what i rememeber a string of sub par games in the title series they lost to purefoods. could have been a factor in letting him go? maybe.

erichubert
10-21-2006, 10:50 AM
i don't think the coaches actually knew about the trades until they were already more or less final, there were talks that red bull owner george chua met with yeng guiao before the trades were made public and asked him if he could make do without lordy, by that time yeng already knew that lordy would be traded. same with jong who when told of the trade was even shocked and surprised because rommel practiced with them just the day before.

i think it is really the owners and team managers who are in the know about trade stuff, so we can't blame the coaches as to why this or that player wasn't included in the deal. but i agree that redbull should have at least tried to get wes or calaguio in the trade, even wilson would have been better than kong and noble, kind of remind me of the time they traded miller to talk n text, they could have gotten solid players in return, but they opted for i think jojo manalo and another obscure player.

AnthonyServinio
10-21-2006, 11:26 AM
* * *With a roster that has Dorian Pena, Gabriel Espinas, William Wilson and now Omanzie Rodriguez, San Miguel Beer should consider changing its name to CERVEZA NEGRA!* *;D

sa_pula
10-21-2006, 02:16 PM
pera pera lang yan...


walang 2007 pick na involve pero may perang involve...

sa_pula
10-24-2006, 12:21 PM
Tubid sa Ginebra?
FREE THROWS Ni AC Zaldivar
Ang Pilipino STAR Ngayon 10/23/2006

Sa tutoo lang, hindi balansyado ang Baranagay Ginebra sa umpisa ng Talk N Text-PBA Philippine Cup matapos na makakuha ng tatlong malalaking manlalaro buhat sa Coca-Cola.

Lumakas nang husto ang frontline ng Gin Kings sa pagkakalipat nina Rudy Hatfield, Rafi Reavis at Billy Mamaril na pawang mga big men. At sumikip talaga ang rotation nila sa gitna dahil nasa poder pa naman nila sina Eric Menk, Romel Adducul, Andy Seigle at Mike Holper.

Dahil dito ay bumaba ang playing time ni Adducul sa 12 minutes kada laro samantalang hindi muna napaggagamit sina Seigle at Holper.

So, kahit na sabihing lumakas ang Ginebra, hindi naman magamit ni coach Joseph Uichico ang full potential ng lahat ng kanyang mga manlalaro. Hindi naman kasi pwedeng pagsabayin ang 12 players dahil lima-lima lang ang basketball.

Kaya naman okay na rin para sa Barangay Ginebra ang pangyayaring ipinamigay nito sa San Miguel Beer si Adducul kapalit ni Paolo Hubalde at draft pick.

Dahil dito ay hindi magiging masikip sa gitna at maaayos ang rotation ng big men ni Uichico.

Pero hindi pa rin matatapos ang pagtetrade ng mga players ng Barangay Ginebra sa hangaring patuloy na balansehin ang line-up nito at malakas ang ugong ng balitang nakikipagnegosasyon ang Gin Kings sa Air 21 para makuha ang serbisyo ni Ronald Tubid upang mapalakas naman ang kanilang backcourt. Isang future draft pick ang magiging kapalit ni Tubid.

Sinasabing done deal na ang trade na ito pero hindi pa itinutuloy ang paglipat ni Tubid sa kampo ng Gin Kings dahil kulang pa ng manlalaro ang Air 21. Hindi na rin kasi nakapaglalaro ang Slam Dunk King na si Niño Canaleta na nasiko ni Tubid sa ilong sa laro ng Air 21 at Ginebra noong Oktubre 11.

Kapag nakabalik na si Canaleta ay itutuloy na ang paglipat ni Tubid. At malaki din ang pusibilidad na kunin ng Air 21 ang rookie free agent na si Abby Santos o kaya’y pabalikin nila si Bruce Dacia.

O kaya panatilihin na lang ng Air 21 ang 11-man line-up dahil sa kaya naman punan ng mga tulad nina Gary David, Leo Avenido at rookie Arwind Santos ang puwestong babakantehin ni Tubid.

Kung tuluyang lilipat sa Ginebra si Tubid ay magsisilbi siyang chief back-up ni Mark Caguioa na noong huli nilang pagtatagpo ay nakaasaran pa nga niya. Puwede naman nilang kalimutan ang kabanatang iyon, at magtulong para sa ikatatagumpay ng kanilang team.

cub
10-24-2006, 04:08 PM
Kumbaga sa insurance, over insured ang San Miguel sa 2. Siegle, Tugade, Hontiveros, Calaguio, Adriano at si Wild Wes. Granted na lahat yan may tama na or medyo matanda sa laro puwera kay Wes (iba naman problema nito), kailangan pumili ni Chot kung kanino siya susugal. Malamang next year, tatlo diyan bargain na sa trade. Hindi lang natin alam kung sino.


isama pa natin dyan si Brandon Cablay na nasa injured list nila.

BigBlue
10-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Tubid sa Ginebra?
FREE THROWS Ni AC Zaldivar
Ang Pilipino STAR Ngayon 10/23/2006

Sa tutoo lang, hindi balansyado ang Baranagay Ginebra sa umpisa ng Talk N Text-PBA Philippine Cup matapos na makakuha ng tatlong malalaking manlalaro buhat sa Coca-Cola.

Lumakas nang husto ang frontline ng Gin Kings sa pagkakalipat nina Rudy Hatfield, Rafi Reavis at Billy Mamaril na pawang mga big men. At sumikip talaga ang rotation nila sa gitna dahil nasa poder pa naman nila sina Eric Menk, Romel Adducul, Andy Seigle at Mike Holper.

Dahil dito ay bumaba ang playing time ni Adducul sa 12 minutes kada laro samantalang hindi muna napaggagamit sina Seigle at Holper.

So, kahit na sabihing lumakas ang Ginebra, hindi naman magamit ni coach Joseph Uichico ang full potential ng lahat ng kanyang mga manlalaro. Hindi naman kasi pwedeng pagsabayin ang 12 players dahil lima-lima lang ang basketball.

Kaya naman okay na rin para sa Barangay Ginebra ang pangyayaring ipinamigay nito sa San Miguel Beer si Adducul kapalit ni Paolo Hubalde at draft pick.

Dahil dito ay hindi magiging masikip sa gitna at maaayos ang rotation ng big men ni Uichico.

Pero hindi pa rin matatapos ang pagtetrade ng mga players ng Barangay Ginebra sa hangaring patuloy na balansehin ang line-up nito at malakas ang ugong ng balitang nakikipagnegosasyon ang Gin Kings sa Air 21 para makuha ang serbisyo ni Ronald Tubid upang mapalakas naman ang kanilang backcourt. Isang future draft pick ang magiging kapalit ni Tubid.

Sinasabing done deal na ang trade na ito pero hindi pa itinutuloy ang paglipat ni Tubid sa kampo ng Gin Kings dahil kulang pa ng manlalaro ang Air 21. Hindi na rin kasi nakapaglalaro ang Slam Dunk King na si Niño Canaleta na nasiko ni Tubid sa ilong sa laro ng Air 21 at Ginebra noong Oktubre 11.

Kapag nakabalik na si Canaleta ay itutuloy na ang paglipat ni Tubid. At malaki din ang pusibilidad na kunin ng Air 21 ang rookie free agent na si Abby Santos o kaya’y pabalikin nila si Bruce Dacia.

O kaya panatilihin na lang ng Air 21 ang 11-man line-up dahil sa kaya naman punan ng mga tulad nina Gary David, Leo Avenido at rookie Arwind Santos ang puwestong babakantehin ni Tubid.

Kung tuluyang lilipat sa Ginebra si Tubid ay magsisilbi siyang chief back-up ni Mark Caguioa na noong huli nilang pagtatagpo ay nakaasaran pa nga niya. Puwede naman nilang kalimutan ang kabanatang iyon, at magtulong para sa ikatatagumpay ng kanilang team.



Confirmed na nga. Tubid traded to Ginebra (http://www.gmanews.tv/breakingnews.php?id=19246).

Mikhail
10-30-2006, 06:12 PM
Hindi ko talaga gusto ang Ginebra (kampi ako sa Red Bull), pero namangha ako sa ginawa nila nung huling conference nung naubos na ang lineup nila. Sa totoo lang, mas gusto ko pa yung lineup nilang Dimaunahan/Salangsang/Macapagal/Ferreira, ewan ko ba kung bakit. Kaso nga lang nagkulang na lang talaga ng tao sa dulo kaya hindi nila nakayang tapusin ang Red Bull pagkatapos lumamang ng 3-2.

Kailan ba babalik si Rodney Santos?

easter
10-30-2006, 09:11 PM
Tubid has now been traded to Ginebra for 2007 & 2008 2nd round draft picks!

Dual 2nd round draft picks for Tubid? They could've gotten more with the guy. What kind of trade is this?

paralusi
10-31-2006, 09:35 AM
easter, it's airhead21. what did you expect?

Tireless Tubid moves to Ginebra for a song

By Musong R. Castillo
Inquirer

Posted date: October 31, 2006

BARANGAY GINEBRA added another key piece to its ultra-talented team yesterday after getting Ronald Tubid from Air21 while giving up very little in return.

Team manager Allan Caidic confirmed the acquisition of Tubid after a deal which require the Gin Kings to surrender their draft rights to the Express in the next three years.

A former University of the East Warrior in the UAAP, Tubid is an “Energizer Bunny” type of a swingman, who the Kings feel is missing in their drive to win the Talk ‘N Text PBA Philippine Cup.

http://newsinfo.inq7.net/inquirerheadlines/sports/view_article.php?article_id=29670

MonL
10-31-2006, 10:18 AM
easter, it's airhead21. what did you expect?


Do they intend to stay in the league for long? I remember a Mad Magazine satire about bad timing: "You are a victim of bad timing when..... You purchase a season's pass for your favorite team's home games and, right after, your team trades away all its stars for draft picks."* :P

Kid Cubao
10-31-2006, 10:47 AM
good thing no one in his right mind would buy season's tickets for air21 unless someone forced a poor soul at gunpoint ;D

in contrast, though, ginebra is looming to be a runaway favorite for the all-filipino title in their mission to reclaim the hearts of the masa.

MrGotti
10-31-2006, 01:37 PM
There is really something weird going on in the PBA with all these high profile trades in favor of SMB and GSM. Redbull, Air21 and Coke did not get anythign in return. It looks like their bringing the PBA back to the Toyota-Crispa era. Wherein there are only two dominant teams. Parang mali yata ang nangyayari.

joelex
11-01-2006, 03:40 AM
when red bull lost the title last conference, grapevine news had it that management was disgusted with the tendency of tugade to be missing in action during crucial games, for reasons i would just say as doing a..custodio. that rumor was already rounding the pba circles even during red bull's champoinship conference but died down after winning it all in that import conference...eventually finding its way back for what i rememeber a string of sub par games in the title series they lost to purefoods. could have been a factor in letting him go? maybe.


well. this is what apparently happened, according to a very reliable source inside the red bull camp:

tugade, upon the check up of team doctor John Lim, was declared perfectly healthy. lordy was complaing of a nagging knee injury all conference but somehow there was nothing positive according to dr. lim. management was disgusted with this, which confiremed tugade's refusal to give 100% during games, prompting them to trade him.

MrGotti
11-02-2006, 10:21 AM
Well, they could have mayde a better trade for Tugade. They could have traded him for Arigo of Coke rather thatn kong and noble. Kahit si Gabby Espinas na lang pwede na.

joelex
11-02-2006, 03:25 PM
well i heard p6,000,000 was also included in the package to red bull...

Sam Miguel
11-02-2006, 05:29 PM
And where pray tell is Ronald Tubid going to get his minutes? Mark Macapagal seems to have found his rhythm and there is no way he's going to dislodge Mark Caguioa, Jay Helterbrand or even Sunday Salvacion in the current Gin Kings rotation.

And one other thing: Am I the only one who's noticed Siot Tanquincen still seems to be doing most of the coaching even with Jong Uichico there now?

mr_janix
11-04-2006, 06:13 PM
i rili think there are money involve in the tugade trade. in regards to why not Ternorio or Espinas was trade to Tugade, there is no way SMB will trade Tenorio because its been along time that SMB is looking for a point guard incase racela choose to retire.

Go SMB....

Sam Miguel
12-01-2006, 03:45 PM
As of the last playdate Barangay Ginebra is now tied with Sta Lucia Realty at the top of the standings at 9-4.

Kid Cubao
12-04-2006, 09:15 AM
ginebra's victory over air21 last night earned them the first outright semis slot. mukhang matagal-tagal silang magpapahinga nito.

Wang-Bu
12-04-2006, 02:52 PM
Sir Cubao, kailangan pa yata ng Barangay ng isa pang panalo para outright semis na sila.

AnthonyServinio
02-12-2007, 12:14 AM
this early in the season, it appears that the flagship teams of san miguel have retooled their systems to the delight of their fans. san miguel, under coach chot reyes, is now playing uptempo with the arrival of rookies gabby espinas and LA tenorio, while bgy. ginebra under jong uichico has abandoned its post attacks and instead unleashed the full might of guards mark caguioa and jj helterbrand. so what do you think? will this get them through the playoffs and all the way to the finals? let's hear your opinions and comments :)

* * *Perhaps all debates on this matter have become moot and academic as both San Miguel and Barangay Ginebra are battling for the 2006-2007 PBA Philippine Cup.* The Beermen just took a commanding 2-0 lead in the best of seven series.