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GreenArrows
09-21-2006, 09:24 PM
Many people have said that an ADMU-UST game would be a better series to watch than an ADMU-UE game. Now, it has happened. So, what do you guys think? I am tired for the day so let me just say in my personal opinion, it will be ADMU in 2 games. I will discuss my pick in another post.

So, how do you people analyze this series? Let's just keep this thread throughout the Finals series so we can all remain focused and with some continuity of discussion.

danny
09-22-2006, 03:59 AM
Any series is good to watch when Ateneo is playing. I would have loved an Ateneo-UE game for some twisted reasons. ;D

This series? I am for Ateneo. No analysis needed. ;D

JVC
09-22-2006, 04:26 AM
Interesting point brought up at ubelt.com,

Since the final four was introduced, only 2 third-seeded teams have gone on to beat the second-seed and then bag the title.

The first time it happened was in 1994, when the third-seed UST tigers twice beat the UE warriors to enter the finals. UST then beat number 1 seed DLSU in the finals.

The second time it happened was in 2002, when the third-seed ADMU eagles twice beat the UE warriors to enter the finals. ADMU then beat number 1 seed DLSU in the finals.


Same final four opponent, same finals opponent, same end result.


:huh:

5FootCarrot
09-22-2006, 08:26 AM
Well, the opponent mentioned above is not playing this year so I hope the trend will not continue ;D

As much as I would love an Ateneo sweep, I'm going to be conservative/pessimistic and say Ateneo in 3.

I say this is a conservative forecast because I'm taking into account what UST showed everyone during the second round game against Ateneo. When they were "on" (or had that freakishly good game), they showed that they were more than capable of matching up with Ateneo, so it's possible that they will force a rubber match.

I also say this is a pessimistic forecast because some invisible hands may interfere to make more money at the box and betting offices. :(

mangtsito
09-22-2006, 11:38 AM
Interesting point brought up at ubelt.com,

Since the final four was introduced, only 2 third-seeded teams have gone on to beat the second-seed and then bag the title.

The first time it happened was in 1994, when the third-seed UST tigers twice beat the UE warriors to enter the finals. UST then beat number 1 seed DLSU in the finals.

The second time it happened was in 2002, when the third-seed ADMU eagles twice beat the UE warriors to enter the finals. ADMU then beat number 1 seed DLSU in the finals.


Same final four opponent, same finals opponent, same end result.


:huh:




There is another pattern emerging...

The said erstwhile third placer goes on to win the championship. Hmmmm...

Ah basta, GO ATENEO....FAYYYTTTT!!!

Wang-Bu
09-22-2006, 02:05 PM
Masamang loob ko at nalaglag ang UE. Pero tingin ko lang sweep ang Ateneo dito, hindi nga lang madaling sweep. Matinding lineup ng UST, wala nga lang karanasan pagdating sa kampeonato. 'Yung 1994 na UST panahon nina Espino-Reyes-Evangelista at bahay nila ang Finals. 'Yung 2002 na Ateneo galing na ng Finals kalaban din ang Lasalle nung 2001 so alam na nilang diskarte sa Finals. Sa mga player na maglalaro sa Finals ngayon sina JC Intal, Doug Kramer at Macky Escalona pa lang ang nakatikim ng Finals (nung 2002), pero mga rookies pa lang sila nuon at hindi naman pinalaro.

Ang lamang ng Ateneo dito sa coaching talaga. Malayo man ang narating ng Tigers ngayon ayaw kumapit sa akin na ganun kalaki ang nagawa ni Pido Jarencio para sa kanila. Kay Black kasi parehong tutok sa opensa at depensa, although nakalamang ang opensa ngayong taon, na kita sa mga play para makapukol sina Chris Tiu at Jai Reyes, pati na sina Escalona at Intal mula sa tres. Sina Raba Al Hussaini, Kramer at Ford Arao ay natuto na ding pumukol ng jumpshot. GUmagawa na ng kakaiba sa opensa ang mga player ng Ateneo at mas spread out ng opensa hindi gaya nung panahong may LA Tenorio pa sila na alam na ng lahat kung sino kakamada. Si Tiu nadaleng Adamson tatlong beses na. Si Intal nadale FEU. May kakaiba ng kakayanan ang Ateneo pagdating sa opensa, Mismong ang USTe ay natikman ang bagong bangis na ito nung ibaon sila ng 36 points nung Round 1. Nung matalo naman ng USTe ang Ateneo nung Round 2 hirap sila at nagka-career game si Allen Evangelista. Isang sablay na talbog lang ang naging susi sa panalo ng USTe, hindi kasi nakuha ni Kramer ang rebound nung sablay na freethrow sa bandang huli ng regulation.

Ang lamang ng USTe matangkad sila sa lahat ng position, kaya nilang sumabay sa Ateneo sa bilis, at mga matitinding atleta ang mga player nila. Sina Duncil, Allera, Canlas, Espiritu puro mga 6-2 pataas na naglalaro sa labas at marunong magdala ng bola. Kayang-kaya nilang gawan ang mga mas maliliit na sina Escalona, Tiu, Reyes at Eric Salamat. Dito masusubukan ang galing ni Norman Black, kung papano niya dedepensahan ang mas matangkad na mga gwardiya ng Tigers.

Dapat biglaan ang mangyari. Kung sinong makauna mula gitna ng first quarter hanggang bandang huli ng second quarter lamang na kagad. Kapag ganitong mga koponan ang naglaban, mahilig sa takbuhan at sa pukol sa labas at sa motion sa halfcourt, mas madaling makatayo ng malaking lamang kaysa humabol sa malaking lamang. Nakakalas ang USTe sa OT nung Round 2 kaya nanalo sila, nakagolpe de gulat ang Ateneo nung Round 1. Mahalaga ang pacing at tempo sa parehong koponan, kung sino makauna panalo, at mas perparado anf Ateneo pagdating sa tempo.

Tancha ko lang mga 88-81 ang score ng Game 1, tapos nasa 85-77 ang score sa Game 2. Ateneo panalo.

grrster
09-22-2006, 02:16 PM
go ateneo! take away ust's offensive rebounds and we are going to have a better (and easier) chance to win it all in 2!

i'm kinda nervous though because ateneo's weakness is one of ust's strengths... REBOUNDING!

i personally do not put a lot of weight on individual talent as both teams have shown that the whole (team) is greater than the sum of the parts.

i believe that "stars" are meant to twinkle... shine brightly one game and maybe not as brightly the next (esp when the opponent adjusts accordingly) ...

on offense, both teams have shown that they have people who can step up and provide a lift. each team has its shooters, slashers/wing, and post players that can deliver. so i think this will be decided on defense.

fortunately, i feel that ateneo has the edge on defense (maybe not by much)

it helps that ateneo has won several close games with the defense providing the crucial stop. if ateneo doesn't get into foul trouble, bigs and guards alike, then i believe it will be ours!

of course, i hope the zebras dont make a mockery of both teams efforts to get to the finals :p i can understand if they cant always make the right calls, but at the very least, i hope they will be consistent (i.e. strict on touch fouls then be strict on both teams!)

one big fight!

MargaretThrasher
09-22-2006, 03:33 PM
Wang Bu, di ba nakatikim na rin sina Uichico, Arao, atbp. ng finals noong 2003? (Hindi lang nga kasintindi ng naranasan na nina Escalona.)

Nagtatanong lang po :)

Wang-Bu
09-22-2006, 04:03 PM
Kampeonato pala ibig kong sabihin Ma'am Margaret... Pero tama ka, damay din sina Johann Uichico, Martin Quimson at Ford Arao sa mga may karanasan na sa UAAP Finals.

nacho_libre
09-22-2006, 04:25 PM
Big J, ikaw na bahala kay Pido...

shyboy
09-23-2006, 04:42 PM
Walang takot ang UST at this point in time. Kitang-kita ang puso, no such thing as pressure.

I feel it'll be either Ateneo in 2 or UST in 3. Ateneo most probably will win game 1 due to its depth and experience. But if UST gets to sneak in a win in game 2 and gain some more confidence, they might eventually win game 3 and claim the championship.

frontANDcenter
09-23-2006, 06:46 PM
i believe the 1st game would definitely be the most grueling game in the series.. ust coming in the finals like a freight train, i mean come on, their's just too much momentum going for the tigers.. but then again they should not (not even for a second) count out the top seeded team who are so capable in cutting them off.. expect ateneo to come in the game well prepared against the all fired up ust.. compared to the tigers, they are more methodical when it comes to excecution in both ends of the floor.. ust's advantage aside from their size would be their confidence.. if im not mistaken, they won 7 of their last 8 games... that should amount to something plus the fact that they were the first team to beat admu(in a game where they dont have duncil and espiritu).. what both teams posses compared to all the others IMHO would be effort and heart.. i strongly believe this series won't be decided by individual talent, but by discipline and excecution..

for ateneo to win, they need to attack the tigers right from the beginning.. hit them where it would hurt most.. we are all aware the ust is well known for their hot starts.. take control of the rebounds particularly the defensive boards.. i am really excited how would coach black make use of his guards against this insanely tall ball club.. keeping other players involved aside from jc and chris tiu would be a plus.. i expect to see another breakout game for salamat in this series

for ust, they need to take control of the tempo of the game.. punish the eagles on the offensive end right from the opening tip off.. keep jervy out of foul trouble.. crash the boards.. limit their TOs(specially in the 2nd half).. and of course, if they managed to do this, they should try not to be complacent with their performance.. try to keep up to whatever adjusments ateneo would make

in my opinion, whoever wins game 1 will win the series.. thus, UST in two or Ateneo in three!

oca
09-24-2006, 12:52 PM
I pick UST to win this series. (Tapang ba?) ;D

It is acknowledged that Ateneo is the more experienced team. But I personally favor teams who have enough shooters who can spread opposing defenses and keep them guessing where the next shot would be coming. I just hope Jarencio has studied well Ateneo's defense and purposely trained his team against that and be able to space themselves properly to make it difficult for the Eagles to defend the perimeter.

Of course, there's the constant presence of Jervy Cruz. No one in the league has succeeded in covering him singly. Ateneo will have to double, then Jarencio would just have to give the license for anyone open to take that shot.

The only way I see Ateneo winning this is if they shut down UST's perimeter shooting.

israeli
09-24-2006, 06:31 PM
Ateneo def. UST, 73-72. :o

dvdx
09-24-2006, 06:35 PM
what a play! hands off to coach Black..awesome.simply awesome.

bigfreeze_bibby
09-24-2006, 07:44 PM
Doug Kramer just made one of the biggest baskets of his collegiate career. UST focused too much on the guards taking the last attempt and forgot that big men can take those attempts too once they've received the ball close to the basket. Jervy is just simply unstoppable down low and made mockery of Ateneo's big men. Escalona bailed himself from the off night he's having by making the biggest play of the game.

With this win, I expect Ateneo to have a high morale coming on Thursday and putting an end to this series. I just see it that UST will have a tough time getting back in its groove to set themselves up to force a deciding game 3 although I still do not count them out in this series but the probability of tying the series is not that high for me. Intal also proved to Espiritu that he's the man in the small forward spot as Espiritu tried to put a match up in the 1st half by challenging Intal to 1-on-1 plays.

israeli
09-24-2006, 08:38 PM
that one simple mistake in guarding Doug Kramer proved to be a fatal blow to the cause of UST. Norman Black simply anticipated that UST would concentrate on guarding Escalona and Kramer would simply be way too open underneath. sayang talaga yung laro ng Tigers kanina.

Mateen Cleaves
09-24-2006, 08:47 PM
It's just too bad that one team had to lose. Great game by both squads. Great class and mutual respect shown by both crowds. Ateneo had to call on every last ounce of its coaching and playing experience to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. As a basketball fan, I'm hoping that the Tigers can bounce back from this, and ride Pido's three P's -- Pride, Puso, and Palaban -- to give us another classic game on Thursday.

Congratulations to both schools! ;D

mangtsito
09-24-2006, 08:51 PM
Pido is big on his Ginebra-esque "Puso" coaching style. What he does not realize is that Ateneo has a rather longer history when it comes to "Puso". ;D

Great play by Coach Norman. ow I gotta watch the replay ;)

bluetruck
09-24-2006, 09:51 PM
that one simple mistake in guarding Doug Kramer proved to be a fatal blow to the cause of UST. Norman Black simply anticipated that UST would concentrate on guarding Escalona and Kramer would simply be way too open underneath. sayang talaga yung laro ng Tigers kanina.


doug tried to fake popping out to receive the inbounds but immediately backtracked to that sweet spot under the basket thereby fooling his defender.

bluetruck
09-24-2006, 09:53 PM
It's just too bad that one team had to lose. Great game by both squads. Great class and mutual respect shown by both crowds. Ateneo had to call on every last ounce of its coaching and playing experience to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. As a basketball fan, I'm hoping that the Tigers can bounce back from this, and ride Pido's three P's -- Pride, Puso, and Palaban -- to give us another classic game on Thursday.

Congratulations to both schools!* ;D


the refs tried to ruin a classic game but the One up there just wouldnt allow it.

mortalmar
09-25-2006, 01:49 AM
I pick UST to win this series. (Tapang ba?) ;D

It is acknowledged that Ateneo is the more experienced team. But I personally favor teams who have enough shooters who can spread opposing defenses and keep them guessing where the next shot would be coming. I just hope Jarencio has studied well Ateneo's defense and purposely trained his team against that and be able to space themselves properly to make it difficult for the Eagles to defend the perimeter.

Of course, there's the constant presence of Jervy Cruz. No one in the league has succeeded in covering him singly. Ateneo will have to double, then Jarencio would just have to give the license for anyone open to take that shot.

The only way I see Ateneo winning this is if they shut down UST's perimeter shooting.



apparently its ateneo who has better outside shooting. so much so that they drew a play to counter it, only to find out ateneo designed a play or kramer on the inside ;)

GreenArrows
09-25-2006, 05:41 AM
I have always stated in other fora that (1) UST's defense is suspect and (2) ADMU's previous last second victories in the 1st round would build character in the team.

1) In this game, UST's defense was at best decent. It was ADMU that committed unforced errors and muffed easy give-me shots that prevented ADMU from pulling off a victory with a bigger margin. Think, how many point blank and unchallenged shots did ADMU get and failed to convert. It looked like ADMU was initially intimidated by the size and body pounding of the UST players. And this has been UST's trademark kind of game this season. They are using their bulk and imposing themselves with it too. Face it, Cruz and company were getting away with a lot of elbows and other physical contact which the referees let go. Given the same standard that the refs imposed on ADMU's fouls, UST would have been a mere tiger cub in this game as they would have surely lost Jervy Cruz. How many INTENTIONAL elbows did Jervy get away with? By my count, at least 6! The refs should call it equal at least. For every let go they give Cruz, they should allow ADMU the same leeway. If they will be strict with ADMU, they should impose the same on UST, specially Jervy Cruz. There is only a decent semblance of a UST defense. They count more on their 'bully' tactics. But alas, poetic justice prevails as it was Jervy Cruz himself who lost the game for UST by failing to cover his own man, Doug Kramer, in that last second. Yes, in front of everyone to see, it was Jervy Cruz who failed to play defense for Kramer to take an unmolested shot. How more ironic can you get? The hero has turned to be the goat.

2) From the very early parts of the 1st round, I always stated that ADMU's 1 or 2 point victories coming from behind would serve ADMU well in the long run. Victories pulled out of the jaws of defeat help build confidence in a team and solidifies their fighting heart. The players learn the discipline and determination that a game is NEVER over until the final buzzer sounds. A victory coming from behind and winning by 1 or 2 points, builds more character in a team than all the training that any coach can teach. It teaches them NEVER TO GIVE UP! And ADMU had at least 3 experiences of this nature during the eliminations. That last second shot was NOT a 'lucky' break by ADMU, but it was designed by a coach who trusted that his players had the 'right stuff' to pull out a victory amidst the celebrations going on the UST side of the Araneta. Black designed the perfect play (if you saw Black giving instructions in his last time out, Doug was actually the 2nd option on the play), a play that he knew his experienced players could execute. And that experience payed off to put ADMU within a game of winning their 2nd crown in 5 seasons.

Game 2? I think ADMU will play smarter this time and allow UST to do their worst. This time, I expect ADMU players not to be intimidated by UST's bullying tactics and let UST do their thing and not get affected as ADMU was in this 1st game. ADMU will play a cooler and more controlled game. No scrambling win in this game. Whoever will win, will win by at least 5 points. My guess? A team will fly high this Thursday.

Mateen Cleaves
09-25-2006, 06:14 AM
1) How many INTENTIONAL elbows did Jervy get away with? By my count, at least 6! The refs should call it equal at least. For every let go they give Cruz, they should allow ADMU the same leeway. If they will be strict with ADMU, they should impose the same on UST, specially Jervy Cruz. There is only a decent semblance of a UST defense. They count more on their 'bully' tactics. But alas, poetic justice prevails as it was Jervy Cruz himself who lost the game for UST by failing to cover his own man, Doug Kramer, in that last second. Yes, in front of everyone to see, it was Jervy Cruz who failed to play defense for Kramer to take an unmolested shot. How more ironic can you get? The hero has turned to be the goat.


IMHO, Jervy Cruz going to Reyes (or Tiu?) was the correct play, given the game situation. Thus, I wouldn't hang the last play on Jervy. The UST defender on the cutter was the one who should have immediately switched to Kramer instead of trying to follow his original man.

GreenArrows
09-25-2006, 07:16 AM
1) How many INTENTIONAL elbows did Jervy get away with? By my count, at least 6! The refs should call it equal at least. For every let go they give Cruz, they should allow ADMU the same leeway. If they will be strict with ADMU, they should impose the same on UST, specially Jervy Cruz. There is only a decent semblance of a UST defense. They count more on their 'bully' tactics. But alas, poetic justice prevails as it was Jervy Cruz himself who lost the game for UST by failing to cover his own man, Doug Kramer, in that last second. Yes, in front of everyone to see, it was Jervy Cruz who failed to play defense for Kramer to take an unmolested shot. How more ironic can you get? The hero has turned to be the goat.


IMHO, Jervy Cruz going to Reyes (or Tiu?) was the correct play, given the game situation. Thus, I wouldn't hang the last play on Jervy. The UST defender on the cutter was the one who should have immediately switched to Kramer instead of trying to follow his original man.



Mateen, you maybe right. Maybe I am being too hard on Jervy. But this does not take away the fact that defense has always been the weak link in UST's armor. This total collapse on defense which left Kramer totally free for the shot shows the lack of defensive awareness of the UST players. Ok, Jervy covering Jai maybe(?) a good thing since Jai is capable of making those Hail Mary shots. But the other UST players had to have their men checked. If Kramer had converted a shot that was at least challenged, then one can say it was the breaks of the game. But Kramer was wide open. This shows a loss of defensive presence of mind on the part of UST and shows the end game character of ADMU.

oca
09-25-2006, 08:02 AM
In normal circumstances losing game 1 of a 3-game series simply meant one has to win twice to win the title. But losing game one in that manner puts into question a team's character.

Does UST have that character to bounce back?

If they were a veteran team, easily the answer is yes. But we all know this is a very young team. Just how this defeat will affect their mind set going into game 2 is something everyone will be interested to find out.

Now, another facet of coaching puts Jarencio to test. Good that there is a 3 day recovery time for UST. Had this been like the NCAA where the series was played M-W-F, I seriously doubt if the Tigers will be mentally prepared for game two.

I had picked UST to win this series and had they been defeated in a less frustrating/ heartbreaking manner, I would not change my mind. But that game 1 ending can deflate the confidence of young team.

Kung mabura sa isipan nila yung game 1, may chance pa sila. It remains to be seen if Jarencio is equipped with the skills to help the kids recover from this in time for Thursday.

GreenArrows
09-25-2006, 08:29 AM
In normal circumstances losing game 1 of a 3-game series simply meant one has to win twice to win the title. But losing game one in that manner puts into question a team's character.

Does UST have that character to bounce back?

If they were a veteran team, easily the answer is yes. But we all know this is a very young team. Just how this defeat will affect their mind set going into game 2 is something everyone will be interested to find out.

Now, another facet of coaching puts Jarencio to test. Good that there is a 3 day recovery time for UST. Had this been like the NCAA where the series was played M-W-F, I seriously doubt if the Tigers will be mentally prepared for game two.

I had picked UST to win this series and had they been defeated in a less frustrating/ heartbreaking manner, I would not change my mind. But that game 1 ending can deflate the confidence of young team.

Kung mabura sa isipan nila yung game 1, may chance pa sila. It remains to be seen if Jarencio is equipped with the skills to help the kids recover from this in time for Thursday.



If for anything else, Coach Pido is excellent in giving his team the 'desire' to win. Psychologically, Coach Pido will easily make this players forget the debacle that Game 1 was. Yes, UST will be more than determined to win on Thursday. BUT, I seriously doubt if that will be enough to propel his team to win. If ADMU plays THEIR game and not let UST bully them like they did in Game 1, ADMU will win this game and the Championship. ADMU must play relaxed and cool. They should not let the tactics of the Tigers get to their heads. Let Coach Norman do all the bullsh_tting from the sidelines. Calm and collected should be the ADMU mindest.

If, however, this series extends to a Game 3, then heck, I will do all I can to watch the game LIVE this weekend! Paging cackler, gil andrews etc.

Mateen Cleaves
09-25-2006, 09:15 AM
Mateen, you maybe right. Maybe I am being too hard on Jervy. But this does not take away the fact that defense has always been the weak link in UST's armor. This total collapse on defense which left Kramer totally free for the shot shows the lack of defensive awareness of the UST players. Ok, Jervy covering Jai maybe(?) a good thing since Jai is capable of making those Hail Mary shots. But the other UST players had to have their men checked. If Kramer had converted a shot that was at least challenged, then one can say it was the breaks of the game. But Kramer was wide open. This shows a loss of defensive presence of mind on the part of UST and shows the end game character of ADMU.


For UST, it didn't really matter too much who was going to take the shot. Ateneo didn't have any options left. There was only one second left, and whoever got the ball would have taken the shot. All UST needed to do was to stay within range of the passing lanes. One deflection and the game would be over. At worst, they would still be in position to at least contest the shot.

The importance of experience was on full display on that one play. Ateneo had it, UST didn't, and that spelled all the difference.

cackler
09-25-2006, 10:29 AM
greenarrows:

I will see what I can do about the tix.* ::)

Ateneo's weakness at the post is its own discipline.* The post defender is trained to simply raise his arms when the opposing player takes a shot.* That is why, Jervy Cruz worked on his jump shooting.* Ateneo's idea was to have a clean defense to prevent the refs from calling ticky tacky fouls (to minimize their influence on the game).* The only time the post defender jumped to block a shot (Ford Arao) in the last game, he was called for a foul.* The idea was for help defense to come.* This had been the role of Japeth.* Unfortunately, Japeth is gone and the decision came so late that it left little time to make adjustments.* It is only Zion who has this instinct for help defense at the post.* Raba is not normally allowed to finish the game because he really needs improvement in help side defense.

The strongest defense of UST seems to be its 1-2-2 zone.* However, Ateneo easily covers this by either making the 2 guard play the point or JC play the point.* In the last game, it was Chirs Tiu or JC who would have the ball under these situations.

UST has been wise to Ateneo's attacking game because of the length of their players.* UST is able to cover more ground per player because their defenders are quick and longer limbed.* But UST is really weak when the ball is swung to the baseline.* That is why baseline attacks by Ateneo produces dividends.* I believe you have covered this point in your discussion of the UST post defense.

I still believe Ateneo will win this one.* Ateneo is simply in better physical condition.* JC and Chris and Macky and Doug can play extended minutes and still bring their A game (both in offense and defense) at the last quarter.* Compare this with Espiritu huffing and puffing to stay with JC in the latter stretches of the game.* Heck, JC was still a jumping jack rabbit in the last quarter while the UST defenders could not skip an inch to cover him.* Evangelista, of course, was rested because he sat out a good portion of the game due to foul trouble.

It is this physical conditioning that will allow key Ateneo players to execute at the end game.* If Jervy Cruz is forced to play defense, the post offense of UST dips considerably.* UST will then try to go into a running or perimeter game.* Ateneo has this covered. Another way of course, is for some unseen force to have Jervy Cruz turn out to be the cleanest post defender of UAAP history. That is maybe why, during the last game, Jervy Cruz only had one (1) single, solitary, so all alone foul. (With apologies to my friend and textmate, bchoter. Promise, ipaglalaba kita!). Ateneo does not have this covered. Whew!

Greenarrows is right.* In the first game, Ateneo was under pressure and played too tight.* They should really be cloistered.* Thing is, Coach Norman refused the offer.

Oh well.* I really hope he reconsiders.

salsa caballero
09-25-2006, 11:51 AM
I will have to agree with everyone, (and his brother!), over here.

That was clearly one of the most lopsidedly officiated games I've seen in the UAAP this season. This game goes right up there with the 2nd round ADMU-UST encounter, and the ADMU-ADU Final Four encounter. Only this game was worse, much worse. Refs, the guys on the court are playing for all the marbles, all the chips on the table, the big kahuna, the bacon, the holy grail, the promised land and all other manner hackneyed cliches your numbskulls can care to ponder...and yet, YET, you choose to ruin a beautifully played ballgame on cloudy Sunday afternoon. What on God's good earth were you THINKING???

There are three (3) things that you would be wise to review. Simple definitions of the following terms, actually:

1.) Offensive fouls
2.) Goaltending violations
3.) Backing violations

I trust that I do not have to expound on these for your benefit, as my having to do that would mean you are simply unfit for your roles as arbiters of what is probably the most popular basketball tournament in the country today. No, I'm not saying you're incompetent, though you're welcome to read or interpret this in any way you choose.*

Perhaps however, you are suffering from impaired vision, particularly when you are tasked to officiate games involving a certain blue-and-white squad from Quezon City. In this case, allow me to extend to you an offer of a discount on corrective lenses, so long as these are purchased from the Sabater-Pascual Optical Shop. These guys are good, and with their help, you can be refereeing with your brand new hazel, grey, even blue(!) eyes in no time. In the event that you require even more drastic help, allow me to refer you to Dr. Marcel Banzon of the UST and St. Luke's Hospitals. The man is good-- a pioneer in "lasik" procedures, and with HIS help, you'll be blowing your whistles with more authority and credibility than you've ever enjoyed. (Of course, that's not saying much, but then...)

On the other hand, perhaps your problem stems more from things related to Binondo, than anything else. On that, I will have to profess my ignorance. My knowledge of Binondo is limited to excellent foot massages at Beijing Liangzhi over at the Peace Hotel, and MSG-laden eel and scallop dishes over at the estero places across from the Salazar Bakery. I don't know anything about Mahjong, sakya, on-line betting and loansharking. Neither would, I believe, more than three-fourths of the jampacked crowd at the Araneta Center yesterday. Neither would you, I hope.

My unsolicited peanut gallery pickings? Hit the rulebook, wear the specs, and stay away from dubious dudes decked in dough. Oh, and ALWAYS bet on Black.* *

bluebruiser90
09-25-2006, 12:23 PM
that one simple mistake in guarding Doug Kramer proved to be a fatal blow to the cause of UST. Norman Black simply anticipated that UST would concentrate on guarding Escalona and Kramer would simply be way too open underneath. sayang talaga yung laro ng Tigers kanina.


doug tried to fake popping out to receive the inbounds but immediately backtracked to that sweet spot under the basket thereby fooling his defender.


Kaya nayari si Japs sa switch. Akala niya pop out din si Doug para humingi ng pasa.

Agent 008
09-25-2006, 12:31 PM
My friends and I were discussing whether that shot by Doug was indeed a play or if it was just an option that magically presented itself. Since we saw it live we didn't have the advantage of seeing the huddle than if you were watching it on a tv screen but after catching the replay it was clear that it was "The Play". I noticed Coach Norman looking a bit suspiciously at the camera after he told JC, Chris and JC how to move so he just wrote on his white board and did not mention any name anymore nor say how the ball will move, but you could see that he drew a straight line from half court to the basket. It was a real Art of War moment.

bluebruiser90
09-25-2006, 12:37 PM
1) How many INTENTIONAL elbows did Jervy get away with?* By my count, at least 6!* The refs should call it equal at least.* For every let go they give Cruz, they should allow ADMU the same leeway.* If they will be strict with ADMU, they should impose the same on UST, specially Jervy Cruz.* There is only a decent semblance of a UST defense.* They count more on their 'bully' tactics.* But alas, poetic justice prevails as it was Jervy Cruz himself who lost the game for UST by failing to cover his own man, Doug Kramer, in that last second.* Yes, in front of everyone to see, it was Jervy Cruz who failed to play defense for Kramer to take an unmolested shot.* How more ironic can you get? The hero has turned to be the goat.


IMHO, Jervy Cruz going to Reyes (or Tiu?) was the correct play, given the game situation. Thus, I wouldn't hang the last play on Jervy. The UST defender on the cutter was the one who should have immediately switched to Kramer instead of trying to follow his original man.






In that situation, the UST defenders should have stayed with their man and fought through the screens. The play was designed to put a smaller man on Kramer, Cuan leaving Doug all alone was a bonus. Had Cuan fought through the Kramer pick for Jai on the pop out, Jervy will still be in a position to cover Doug properly. Macky will then have second thoughts running his first option and would have opted to pass off to Chris on the side where the percentages will be lower for a winning basket.

Mateen Cleaves
09-25-2006, 02:27 PM
It depends on your philosophy, I guess. Normally, you wouldn't want to switch big-on-small or small-on-big. But in that situation, it really wouldn't matter. If it had ended up with Cuan on Kramer, Doug wouldn't have had time to work his big man moves on Cuan anyway. Similarly, Reyes wouldn't have had time to put a move on Cruz.

The aspect of the play that I did not see was Taylor's (?) defense on the inbound. It seemed to me that Macky had a fairly easy passing angle once Kramer got open. What kind of pressure did UST have on the pass?

bluebruiser90
09-25-2006, 02:52 PM
If Kramer had Cuan behind him. The play was really designed to have Kramer leave his defender behind and run towards the basket. The only difference without the switch or with a properly executed switch is that there will be* somebody trying to distract the pass or the shot or at least foul the biggerman on a clean attempt to avoid an automatic two.* Cuan could have fouled Kramer while Cruz could have distracted the inside pass with his reach or even go for a block from behind.*

On Taylor's defense, I guess he was anticipating the short pass to a shooter at the three and bit on the pop out fake by Jai to receive the pass.

Kid Cubao
09-25-2006, 03:11 PM
heto tingin ko: the play was meant for a catch-and-shoot, and in that instance, ateneo had three players who can do the job: JC, jai, and chris. with one second remaining, who would ateneo go to? and my answer is any one of them can heave it from the outside. however, the play also called for doug to roll toward the basket after all the screening, cutting, and crossing patterns. so what we have here is a situation in which all five ateneo players knew exactly what to do under the circumstances. if doug was checked, there's still JC, chris and jai available for the pass. yun nga lang, macky read it right and found the most open teammate in kramer all alone right underneath the basket.

bluebruiser90
09-25-2006, 03:36 PM
Of course it also worked to our advantage that UST second guessed that the catch and shoot from the perimeter was the first and only option, over played every possible pass to our shooters and totally forgot about a long pass to the big man roling to the basket.

The end game drama has some similarities to the '83 US NCAA Championship game between Houston and NC State.* Houston leading by one point and NC was forced into long heave in the dying seconds that looked short, the Cougars started clebrating forgetting to box out. Apparently there was some change left in the clock, the long heave turned into a pass as an NC State player jumped in front of the basket, grabbed the rebound and reverse dunked the winning basket.* Akeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler and ex-PBA import Michael Young wore the same expression that Evangelista had on yesterday.

pio_valenz
09-25-2006, 03:43 PM
*

If, however, this series extends to a Game 3, then heck, I will do all I can to watch the game LIVE this weekend! Paging cackler, gil andrews etc.*

Hello, pareng GreenArrows. I am glad you have finally found your way to gameface. But be advised that if there will be a Game 3, it will be on Thursday, Oct. 5. The PBA will be opening its 2006-2007 season on Oct. 1 and they have booked the Big Dome for this. The good news here is that cackler will have four additional days to get you a ticket.

shyboy
09-25-2006, 04:28 PM
Looking at the replay, it was noticable that Escalona was already looking at Kramer's direction when the inbound started. Ang layo ng pinanggalingan ng bola from Escalona to Kramer. To think that it wasn't a sharp pass but actually a lob pass makes one wonder where the hell were the UST defenders. Ang tagal sa ere nung bola wala man lang nakalapit kay Kramer nung nakarating na sa kanya yung bola.

thor
09-25-2006, 04:58 PM
To think that it wasn't a sharp pass but actually a lob pass makes one wonder where the hell were the UST defenders.* Ang tagal sa ere nung bola wala man lang nakalapit kay Kramer nung nakarating na sa kanya yung bola.


same principle as a touchdown pass actually. the ball is thrown to a pre-determined empty spot. the wide receiver, back turned to the ball most of the time, relies on timing to get there. i don't think doug faced the inbounder until after he had faked to the sideline, but the ball was there when he pivoted. if macky made his throw less of a lob the pass would have been early.

Sam Miguel
09-25-2006, 07:00 PM
It depends on your philosophy, I guess. Normally, you wouldn't want to switch big-on-small or small-on-big. But in that situation, it really wouldn't matter. If it had ended up with Cuan on Kramer, Doug wouldn't have had time to work his big man moves on Cuan anyway. Similarly, Reyes wouldn't have had time to put a move on Cruz.

The aspect of the play that I did not see was Taylor's (?) defense on the inbound. It seemed to me that Macky had a fairly easy passing angle once Kramer got open. What kind of pressure did UST have on the pass?


Mateen, I actually saw Japs Cuan expressly telling Chester Taylor to distract whoever would be inbounding like nobody's business. Then when Taylor saw Macky Escalona making the inbound he sort of had this deer-in-the-headlights look, as if he was expecting someone taller like Doug or JC to make the inbound. I think this became part of the problem, Coach Pido Jarencio made very specific instructions based on very specific assumptions. He most likely thought one of the outside shooter-types like Macky, JC, Chris or Jai would take the pass and try to heave the rock. There would not have been enough time for an inbound and return pass with only one second remaining. They still stuck to this game plan and in the ensuing confusion no one picked up Kramer whom, I guess, everyone assumed to be merely getting ready for a possible tip-in.

pio_valenz
09-25-2006, 08:02 PM
Mateen, I actually saw Japs Cuan expressly telling Chester Taylor to distract whoever would be inbounding like nobody's business. Then when Taylor saw Macky Escalona making the inbound he sort of had this deer-in-the-headlights look, as if he was expecting someone taller like Doug or JC to make the inbound.


To be fair to Taylor, he always has that deer-in-the-headlights look.* :D

But I also want to see the replay of Taylor's defense on Macky's inbound. At around six-four max, Taylor should have had an easy time blocking the passing lane to the low post, unless he was guarding against a pass to the perimeter.

In situations like this, i've always wondered if it would be advisable to assign two players to guard the inbounder. I know it's not illegal to do this, but Ii've never actually seen it done.

easter
09-25-2006, 08:08 PM
Sa totoo lang I have seen plays in one second wherein teams that go for an alley-oop or inside play and fail. This is one of the few times that it succeeded. Kaya usually ang nangyayari teams hoist up a jumpshot in these situations.

BigBlue
09-25-2006, 09:15 PM
Mateen, I actually saw Japs Cuan expressly telling Chester Taylor to distract whoever would be inbounding like nobody's business.


yeah i saw this... Cuan had a smirk on his face while doing so. they were positioning taylor in the right space on court. lalaki ng mga ngiti ng mga loko eh... akala nila..... ;)

easter
09-25-2006, 09:40 PM
The best thing about this win for Ateneo was that it made UST care about the series.

If UST lost by 10 points or more it really wouldn't shake them up like this one. When you watch the game, you see Pido smiling and his players playing no pressure at all.

But losing a won ball game changes the scenario. Suddenly UST realizes it is in for a real fight. With this dramatic win, Ateneo gave UST something to think about since they were a team that really don't care who they face. Now they do and there comes pressure that creeps in.

In truth, I really do not know if Ateneo can translate this to a win. Remember that Pido is a very good motivator and UST needs all the motivation they can muster now but if there is a team that can do it it is UST. The big question then is that will it be enough to turn back Ateneo if it walks on the court as a determined squad?

We will see that on Thursday.

BabbleBand97
09-25-2006, 10:01 PM
Mateen, I actually saw Japs Cuan expressly telling Chester Taylor to distract whoever would be inbounding like nobody's business.


yeah i saw this... Cuan had a smirk on his face while doing so. they were positioning taylor in the right space on court. lalaki ng mga ngiti ng mga loko eh... akala nila..... ;)


actually mukhang natatawa na lang sila kay taylor kasi he didn't seem to know what to do or where to go... the other UST players had to move him over top the right position... he seemed lost... if they placed a more "animated" player to guard the inbounder, the result may have been different...

Gil_Andrews
09-25-2006, 10:25 PM
In normal circumstances losing game 1 of a 3-game series simply meant one has to win twice to win the title. But losing game one in that manner puts into question a team's character.

Does UST have that character to bounce back?

If they were a veteran team, easily the answer is yes. But we all know this is a very young team. Just how this defeat will affect their mind set going into game 2 is something everyone will be interested to find out.

Now, another facet of coaching puts Jarencio to test. Good that there is a 3 day recovery time for UST. Had this been like the NCAA where the series was played M-W-F, I seriously doubt if the Tigers will be mentally prepared for game two.

I had picked UST to win this series and had they been defeated in a less frustrating/ heartbreaking manner, I would not change my mind. But that game 1 ending can deflate the confidence of young team.

Kung mabura sa isipan nila yung game 1, may chance pa sila. It remains to be seen if Jarencio is equipped with the skills to help the kids recover from this in time for Thursday.



If for anything else, Coach Pido is excellent in giving his team the 'desire' to win.* Psychologically, Coach Pido will easily make this players forget the debacle that Game 1 was.* Yes, UST will be more than determined to win on Thursday.* BUT, I seriously doubt if that will be enough to propel his team to win.* If ADMU plays THEIR game and not let UST bully them like they did in Game 1, ADMU will win this game and the Championship.* ADMU must play relaxed and cool.* They should not let the tactics of the Tigers get to their heads.* Let Coach Norman do all the bullsh_tting from the sidelines.* Calm and collected should be the ADMU mindest.*

If, however, this series extends to a Game 3, then heck, I will do all I can to watch the game LIVE this weekend! Paging cackler, gil andrews etc.*




GreenArrows, we're having problems with the tickets but if you're watching, we'll allocate a ticket for you - just make sure that you cheer your heart out with us. - Ateneo Cheers dapat! :D ...... and of course, you have to wear blue!

Joescoundrel
09-25-2006, 11:10 PM
I don't know that Coach Pido Jarencio is really that good a motivator. In situations like the one they were in yesterday all the motivation in the world wouldn't have mattered. It came down to basic basketball: guard every angle like nobody's business and keep those close range shots out. I couldn't believe Norman Black actually had the gall to pull a stunt play like that. Yes, I know it worked for Alvin Teng in the San Miguel glory years, but for godsakes, that was one helluva Houdini act they pulled.

When I saw the alignment I did not want to belive they would actually pull that stunt. F--- me, they did, and they pulled it off! With all of Pido's experience in the PBA against Norman Black both as a coach and as a player how could he not know what Black was pulling? Seeing it in slo-mi made it even more unbelievable. They actually let Kramer simply slide into the lane. There was no one within miles of him. What the hell were the Tigers thinking? You let a 6'5" 200-pound power forward with one of the best FG percentages in the league take an open shot at point blank. The ball left his hand with something like four-tenths of a second and swished in just as the clock read 00:00.

I love a series going all the way, that's just the hardcore fan in me. But this series is so over this Thursday.

atenean_blooded
09-25-2006, 11:47 PM
Quick comment:

I've had it with all the talk about Pido being a great motivator.

It's not as if the opposition isn't motivated.

You can't even say he's the better motivator, because if he was, he wouldn't be in the hole he is in right now.




P.S.

Chester Taylor always has that deer-in-the-headlights look? Kung ano man yung hinihithit nyan, pa-share naman!

5FootCarrot
09-26-2006, 08:44 AM
GreenArrows, we're having problems with the tickets but if you're watching, we'll allocate a ticket for you - just make sure that you cheer your heart out with us. - Ateneo Cheers dapat!* :D* ...... and of course, you have to wear blue!

Baka malusaw si GreenArrows niyan :P Joke lang po!

EDITED TO ADD: (just so I'm not so very off-topic) pio_valenz is right, Chester Taylor always does look like a deer caught in the headlights. :o ;D

Re: Pido Jarencio as a motivator, I think the true test of that will be on Thursday. Even though it's a bit of a chicken-and-egg scenario, I believe that the Tigers' spirits have been helped along by the good season they have had (due to factors other than the coach's motivational skills). Let's see how Coach Pido will be able to revitalize his team after what happened last Sunday, and more importantly, let's see if that (and the truly execrable officiating) will be enough to tie the series.

techguy
09-26-2006, 02:01 PM
I'm sure by this time, most of you have seen dozens of clips from last Sunday's game...

But for whatever its worth... here's another one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x34T6_bmMcU

Rooster
09-27-2006, 04:17 PM
I take no pleasure in expressing this, but I have the sad, sinking feeling that game 2 will not be determined by the players' actions, rather by the refs deciding whom they want to win. If they let Jervy Cruz continue to commit large numer of uncalled fouls, as they did in game 1, and if the refs continue to try to swing the game by bad calls like the backcourt violation on JC, and the blatantly incorrect goaltending call on JC (to mention a few horrible calls), then the refs will determine the outcome.

There is an old management adage, " Your subordinates will become as good as you make them be, or they will become as bad as you let them." The UAAP has been utterly and totally derilict in their duty to hold their refs accountable for their horrible, lopsided officiating. So they are letting the refs become as bad as they like to be. Shame on the UAAP officials!!

pio_valenz
09-27-2006, 04:22 PM
In normal circumstances losing game 1 of a 3-game series simply meant one has to win twice to win the title. But losing game one in that manner puts into question a team's character.

Does UST have that character to bounce back?

If they were a veteran team, easily the answer is yes. But we all know this is a very young team. Just how this defeat will affect their mind set going into game 2 is something everyone will be interested to find out.

Now, another facet of coaching puts Jarencio to test. Good that there is a 3 day recovery time for UST. Had this been like the NCAA where the series was played M-W-F, I seriously doubt if the Tigers will be mentally prepared for game two.

I had picked UST to win this series and had they been defeated in a less frustrating/ heartbreaking manner, I would not change my mind. But that game 1 ending can deflate the confidence of young team.

Kung mabura sa isipan nila yung game 1, may chance pa sila. It remains to be seen if Jarencio is equipped with the skills to help the kids recover from this in time for Thursday.



If for anything else, Coach Pido is excellent in giving his team the 'desire' to win.* Psychologically, Coach Pido will easily make this players forget the debacle that Game 1 was.* Yes, UST will be more than determined to win on Thursday.* BUT, I seriously doubt if that will be enough to propel his team to win.* If ADMU plays THEIR game and not let UST bully them like they did in Game 1, ADMU will win this game and the Championship.* ADMU must play relaxed and cool.* They should not let the tactics of the Tigers get to their heads.* Let Coach Norman do all the bullsh_tting from the sidelines.* Calm and collected should be the ADMU mindest.*

If, however, this series extends to a Game 3, then heck, I will do all I can to watch the game LIVE this weekend! Paging cackler, gil andrews etc.*




GreenArrows, we're having problems with the tickets but if you're watching, we'll allocate a ticket for you - just make sure that you cheer your heart out with us. - Ateneo Cheers dapat!* :D* ...... and of course, you have to wear blue!

Now, this I have to see: GreenArrows wearing blue and cheering for Ateneo! Gotta bring my camera to capture this extremely rare occurrence (parang eclipse or Haley's Comet).

Rooster
09-27-2006, 04:45 PM
I take no pleasure in expressing this, but I have the sad, sinking feeling that game 2 will not be determined by the players' actions, rather by the refs deciding whom they want to win. If they let Jervy Cruz continue to commit large numer of uncalled fouls, as they did in game 1, and if the refs continue to try to swing the game by bad calls like the backcourt violation on JC, and the blatantly incorrect goaltending call on JC (to mention a few horrible calls), then the refs will determine the outcome.

There is an old management adage, " Your subordinates will become as good as you make them be, or they will become as bad as you let them." The UAAP has been utterly and totally derilict in their duty to hold their refs accountable for their horrible, lopsided officiating. So they are letting the refs become as bad as they like to be. Shame on the UAAP officials!!

Jump_Shooter
09-27-2006, 06:29 PM
Everyone stay tuned. Game 2 tomorrow might be postponed due to Typhoon Milenyo. Mukhang direct hit ang Metro Manila.

joelex
09-27-2006, 07:11 PM
I take no pleasure in expressing this, but I have the sad, sinking feeling that game 2 will not be determined by the players' actions, rather by the refs deciding whom they want to win.* * If they let Jervy* Cruz* continue to commit large numer of uncalled fouls, as they did in game 1, and if the refs continue to try to swing the game by bad calls like the backcourt violation on JC, and the blatantly incorrect goaltending call on JC (to mention a few horrible calls), then the refs will determine the outcome.

There is an old management adage, " Your subordinates will become as good as you make them be, or they will become as bad as you let them."* * *The UAAP has been utterly and totally derilict in their duty to hold their refs accountable for their horrible, lopsided officiating.* *So they are letting the refs become as bad as they like to be.* Shame on the UAAP officials!!


from the tv replays, it was clear that intal commited the backing violation. the goal tending violation is even more obvious. a shot was attempted and intal held the net. ateneo's chances will increases if they can stop jervy cruz and at the same time stop the complaining.

freak
09-27-2006, 07:54 PM
^^ I couldn't comment on the backing violation since I was far from the court when it happend and was not able to watch the replay. But for the goal-tending call.. I have to disagree. I have posted snippets froom FIBA's rule book with regards to goal-tending (interference) and posted it in the BEN (UAAP finals thread). Assuming the UAAP still follows FIBA rules, then I would have to say that the call was incorrect.

Apocrypha
09-28-2006, 08:51 AM
Hindi nag backing si JC. Tignan nyo sa Youtube.

jkad
09-28-2006, 09:43 AM
Mateen, I actually saw Japs Cuan expressly telling Chester Taylor to distract whoever would be inbounding like nobody's business.


yeah i saw this... Cuan had a smirk on his face while doing so. they were positioning taylor in the right space on court. lalaki ng mga ngiti ng mga loko eh... akala nila..... ;)


I saw this too, they really were smiling and sort of joking around while Japs was positioning Chester, parang they had the feeling that the game was won.

mangtsito
09-29-2006, 08:21 AM
ateneo's chances will increases if they can stop jervy cruz ....


Wrong.

Jervy Cruz will have his way whether he is stopped or not. This was very glaring in Game 1.

Ateneo can still win even if Jervy Cruz has his way. This was also glaring in Game 1.

vickster
09-29-2006, 10:38 PM
I don't know that Coach Pido Jarencio is really that good a motivator. In situations like the one they were in yesterday all the motivation in the world wouldn't have mattered. It came down to basic basketball: guard every angle like nobody's business and keep those close range shots out. I couldn't believe Norman Black actually had the gall to pull a stunt play like that. Yes, I know it worked for Alvin Teng in the San Miguel glory years, but for godsakes, that was one helluva Houdini act they pulled.

When I saw the alignment I did not want to belive they would actually pull that stunt. F--- me, they did, and they pulled it off! With all of Pido's experience in the PBA against Norman Black both as a coach and as a player how could he not know what Black was pulling? Seeing it in slo-mi made it even more unbelievable. They actually let Kramer simply slide into the lane. There was no one within miles of him. What the hell were the Tigers thinking? You let a 6'5" 200-pound power forward with one of the best FG percentages in the league take an open shot at point blank. The ball left his hand with something like four-tenths of a second and swished in just as the clock read 00:00.

I love a series going all the way, that's just the hardcore fan in me. But this series is so over this Thursday.


Couldn't agree more. In the end, the most basic defensive principle of switching on a screen was not communicated to the players. As seen on the endless replays, Doug set a pick, one Tiger (cruz) switched, the other (cuan) did not. So both ended up chasing Jai, and Cuan would a second later reverse field and chase Tiu. No direction on that last play, which pido himself admitted.

joelex
09-30-2006, 01:37 AM
ateneo's chances will increases if they can stop jervy cruz ....


Wrong.

Jervy Cruz will have his way whether he is stopped or not.* This was very glaring in Game 1.*

Ateneo can still win even if Jervy Cruz has his way.* This was also glaring in Game 1.


as improbable as it might be, any team that can stop or at least limit his production will have better chances to win. what the hell is wrong with that?? what kind of way does he have if he's stopped???

joelex
09-30-2006, 01:45 AM
^^ I couldn't comment on the backing violation since I was far from the court when it happend and was not able to watch the replay. But for the goal-tending call.. I have to disagree. I have posted snippets froom FIBA's rule book with regards to goal-tending (interference) and posted it in the BEN (UAAP finals thread). Assuming the UAAP still follows FIBA rules, then I would have to say that the call was incorrect.


my bad there..forgot about that FIBA ruling

Kid Cubao
09-30-2006, 05:07 AM
the backing violation was incorrect as well. how can it be a backing violation when intal made a good play on the ball and never turned the opposite direction upon possession?!? when he intercepted the ball, his feet were already squared toward the ateneo basket a little over midcourt, even though his trailing foot was still an inch or two behind the midcourt line. joelex, perhaps this is another FIBA ruling you forgot as well. go read up before you offer your opinions.

chocoks77
09-30-2006, 10:01 AM
the backing violation was incorrect as well. how can it be a backing violation when intal made a good play on the ball and never turned the opposite direction upon possession?!? when he intercepted the ball, his feet were already squared toward the ateneo basket a little over midcourt, even though his trailing foot was still an inch or two behind the midcourt line. joelex, perhaps this is another FIBA ruling you forgot as well. go read up before you offer your opinions.


Yung backcourt violation is a highly cntestable call. My brother who is neither from Ateneo or UST and was watched the game through the television told me na backing tlaga dahil nakatawid na, planted na yung feet ni JC inside our court, pero nung bumuwelo siya medyo nagslide or yung right foot niya e napatapak muli at lampas sa guhit ng midcourt line.

Sa isang banda naman, ang backcourt violation ni JC should have been a let-go dahil unang-una, ang inbound play ay ginanap sa midcourt na kung saan ang receiving player e pwedeng tumawid sa kabilang court para kunin ang bola. Pangalawa, ang paa ni JC ay nakatapak sa linya nung kunin niya ito nasa abila pa ang paa niya.

mangtsito
09-30-2006, 10:35 AM
ateneo's chances will increases if they can stop jervy cruz ....


Wrong.

Jervy Cruz will have his way whether he is stopped or not.* This was very glaring in Game 1.*

Ateneo can still win even if Jervy Cruz has his way.* This was also glaring in Game 1.


as improbable as it might be, any team that can stop or at least limit his production will have better chances to win. what the hell is wrong with that?? what kind of way does he have if he's stopped???


As improbable as it was, Jervy Cruz has proven in Game 1 that he can commit fouls without being called for them. That's why I said it would not matter if Ateneo tried to stop him or not. Game 1 has proven that Ateneo will be on the bad side of the calls as far as Jervy Cruz is concerned. But Ateneo still won notwithstanding Jervy Cruz' faux-"monster" game.

I agree with you though that Ateneo should not waste time complaining about the anticipated bad calls. Let the fans handle the heckling.

babytalk
09-30-2006, 04:07 PM
sa start ng game,
pa-update nman ng scores.... thnx

shyboy
09-30-2006, 07:57 PM
Walang takot ang UST at this point in time.* Kitang-kita ang puso, no such thing as pressure.*

I feel it'll be either Ateneo in 2 or UST in 3.* Ateneo most probably will win game 1 due to its depth and experience.* But if UST gets to sneak in a win in game 2 and gain some more confidence, they might eventually win game 3 and claim the championship.


UST in 3! :P

israeli
09-30-2006, 08:28 PM
the UST Growling Tigers defeated the Ateneo Blue Eagles, 87-71.

joelex
10-01-2006, 03:38 AM
the backing violation was incorrect as well. how can it be a backing violation when intal made a good play on the ball and never turned the opposite direction upon possession?!? when he intercepted the ball, his feet were already squared toward the ateneo basket a little over midcourt, even though his trailing foot was still an inch or two behind the midcourt line. joelex, perhaps this is another FIBA ruling you forgot as well. go read up before you offer your opinions.


Kid Cubao, i believe backing violations do not differ in any kind of ruling so i guess we should look from the same view or context be it FIBA or pro.

bluebruiser90
10-01-2006, 07:56 AM
NABRO in 3.

MonL
10-01-2006, 11:15 AM
Will the "Al Hussaini" exception for subsequent game suspensions as a result of player banishment be invoked in favor of UST in game 3 so that Espiritu can suit up?

(EDIT TO ADD: oops- saw chocoks77's BEN post re: Espiritu being given just a stern warning. My bad. :P )

buko4
10-01-2006, 08:40 PM
Hindi nag backing si JC. Tignan nyo sa Youtube.

BACKING talaga. :)

Apocrypha
10-01-2006, 10:41 PM
^Pare, let's agree to disagree, pero hindi backing yun. I heard that the ref even apologized and admitted that he made a mistake in making that call. Unconfirmed and unverified though.

buko4
10-01-2006, 10:49 PM
^Pare, let's agree to disagree, pero hindi backing yun. I heard that the ref even apologized and admitted that he made a mistake in making that call. Unconfirmed and unverified though.

BACKING yun..and besides pinagbigyan na kayo ni japs cuan dude, iniwan na niya si doug sa ilalim para daw wala nang reklamo ang ateneo..I also heard that from Japs Cuan but laso Unconfirmed and unverified hehe

bit_bang_boom
10-02-2006, 12:38 AM
Anyway... even if you assume that JC's backcourt violation was real, you still have more than a handful of bad calls against Ateneo throughout the rest of the game.

atenean_blooded
10-02-2006, 01:42 AM
^Pare, let's agree to disagree, pero hindi backing yun. I heard that the ref even apologized and admitted that he made a mistake in making that call. Unconfirmed and unverified though.

BACKING yun..and besides pinagbigyan na kayo ni japs cuan dude, iniwan na niya si doug sa ilalim para daw wala nang reklamo ang ateneo..I also heard that from Japs Cuan but laso Unconfirmed and unverified hehe


Gago pala si Japs e. Eh di sinayang niya lahat ng effort ng mga referee.

Basa ka na ng FIBA rules ha?

bigfreeze_bibby
10-02-2006, 08:06 AM
This is the moment for both schools. Good luck to the both of them. May the best team win.

Howard the Duck
10-02-2006, 11:12 AM
As if UST hadn't got its share of bad calls ::)

5FootCarrot
10-02-2006, 11:31 AM
My main wish for this last game is that it be decided by the play of the two teams. I hope that the invisible hands will be content that they have already made money off betting on the past couple of games or forcing devoted fans to pay through the nose for scalped tickets. Please, no more mucking around. Panira lang kayo. JUST LET THE BOYS PLAY.

buko4
10-02-2006, 01:02 PM
^Pare, let's agree to disagree, pero hindi backing yun. I heard that the ref even apologized and admitted that he made a mistake in making that call. Unconfirmed and unverified though.

BACKING yun..and besides pinagbigyan na kayo ni japs cuan dude, iniwan na niya si doug sa ilalim para daw wala nang reklamo ang ateneo..I also heard that from Japs Cuan but laso Unconfirmed and unverified hehe


Gago pala si Japs e. Eh di sinayang niya lahat ng effort ng mga referee.

Basa ka na ng FIBA rules ha?


ikaw mag basa ng FIBA rules. hindi pa ba kayo makuntento?hayy may mga tao pa din palang ganyan.panalo na reklamo pa

bluebruiser90
10-02-2006, 04:58 PM
^Pare, let's agree to disagree, pero hindi backing yun. I heard that the ref even apologized and admitted that he made a mistake in making that call. Unconfirmed and unverified though.

BACKING yun..and besides pinagbigyan na kayo ni japs cuan dude, iniwan na niya si doug sa ilalim para daw wala nang reklamo ang ateneo..I also heard that from Japs Cuan but laso Unconfirmed and unverified hehe


Gago pala si Japs e. Eh di sinayang niya lahat ng effort ng mga referee.

Basa ka na ng FIBA rules ha?


ikaw mag basa ng FIBA rules. hindi pa ba kayo makuntento?hayy may mga tao pa din palang ganyan.panalo na reklamo pa


You are missing the big picture buko.

People here are complaining because there was a wrong done. The backing violation is a just one example of the ineptness of the officiating for this entire UAAP season. If you can capture how bad the refs have been this year in one play, it's that backing violation call. Regardless of the outcome or how Ateneo got the win in Game 1, there was a lot of bad calls and it should stop. The referees are robbing both Ateneo and UST of the opportunity to win the game on their own merits.

Even if Ateneo wins the championship this year, we will still not stop airing our disgust for the zebras if they do not change the way they make their calls. We feel that these referees are taking the game and how it should play out in the hands of the people who have worked so hard for it, the players, of both Ateneo and UST. And when they take this away from our players they inevitably also rob us. Ateneo's win does not erase the fact that the referees were inadequate and that they committed a wrong. There are a lot of people like us who complain regardless of whether or not the results have been favorable simply because we believe that people from whom trust in performing certain duties is expected should live up to the responsibilities given to them. Simple as that.

gilly10
10-02-2006, 05:51 PM
WHO WON?!!?!? The other forum is so so bad......always busy!!!!!!!!!! annoying! so who won??

shyboy
10-02-2006, 06:10 PM
Congratulations UST!* *UST in 3! ;D

joelex
10-02-2006, 07:03 PM
LUTO LUTO LUTO!!!!!* ;D

wala na nga si jervy and evangelista eh.

israeli
10-02-2006, 07:22 PM
congratulations to the 2006 UAAP Men's Basketball Champions... the UNIVERSITY OF SANTO TOMAS GROWLING TIGERS! :)


Final Scores:


UST, 76. ADMU, 74.


Finals MVP: Jojo Duncil.

buko4
10-02-2006, 08:18 PM
^Pare, let's agree to disagree, pero hindi backing yun. I heard that the ref even apologized and admitted that he made a mistake in making that call. Unconfirmed and unverified though.

BACKING yun..and besides pinagbigyan na kayo ni japs cuan dude, iniwan na niya si doug sa ilalim para daw wala nang reklamo ang ateneo..I also heard that from Japs Cuan but laso Unconfirmed and unverified hehe


Gago pala si Japs e. Eh di sinayang niya lahat ng effort ng mga referee.

Basa ka na ng FIBA rules ha?


ikaw mag basa ng FIBA rules. hindi pa ba kayo makuntento?hayy may mga tao pa din palang ganyan.panalo na reklamo pa


You are missing the big picture buko.*

People here are complaining because there was a wrong done. The backing violation is a just one example of the ineptness of the officiating for this entire UAAP season.* *If you can capture how bad the refs have been this year in one play, it's that backing violation call.* Regardless of the outcome or how Ateneo got the win in Game 1, there was a lot of bad calls and it should stop.* The referees are robbing both Ateneo and UST of the opportunity to win the game on their own merits.

Even if Ateneo wins the championship this year, we will still not stop airing our disgust for the zebras if they do not change the way they make their calls.* We feel that these referees are taking the game* and how it should play out in the hands of the people who have worked so hard for it, the players, of both Ateneo and UST.* And when they take this away from our players they inevitably also rob us.* Ateneo's win does not erase the fact that the referees were inadequate and that they committed a wrong.* There are a lot of people like us who complain regardless of whether or not the results have been favorable simply because we believe that people from whom trust in performing certain duties is expected should live up to the responsibilities given to them.* Simple as that.




That is why there is such a thing as breaks of the game..as one head referee once told me, you can never have a perfectly officiated game..and you are not in the position to say that sobrang pangit ng calls kasi kng players nga and mga coaches ng ateneo hindi nag rereklamo eh..that is because they know na breaks of the game lang yun..
P.S.
Even if Ateneo wins the championship this year, we will still not stop airing our disgust for the zebras if they do not change the way they make their calls. <--- sorry UST won the championship :)

joelex
10-02-2006, 08:34 PM
^Pare, let's agree to disagree, pero hindi backing yun. I heard that the ref even apologized and admitted that he made a mistake in making that call. Unconfirmed and unverified though.

BACKING yun..and besides pinagbigyan na kayo ni japs cuan dude, iniwan na niya si doug sa ilalim para daw wala nang reklamo ang ateneo..I also heard that from Japs Cuan but laso Unconfirmed and unverified hehe


Gago pala si Japs e. Eh di sinayang niya lahat ng effort ng mga referee.

Basa ka na ng FIBA rules ha?


ikaw mag basa ng FIBA rules. hindi pa ba kayo makuntento?hayy may mga tao pa din palang ganyan.panalo na reklamo pa


You are missing the big picture buko.*

People here are complaining because there was a wrong done. The backing violation is a just one example of the ineptness of the officiating for this entire UAAP season.* *If you can capture how bad the refs have been this year in one play, it's that backing violation call.* Regardless of the outcome or how Ateneo got the win in Game 1, there was a lot of bad calls and it should stop.* The referees are robbing both Ateneo and UST of the opportunity to win the game on their own merits. Even if Ateneo wins the championship this year, we will still not stop airing our disgust for the zebras if they do not change the way they make their calls.* We feel that these referees are taking the game* and how it should play out in the hands of the people who have worked so hard for it, the players, of both Ateneo and UST. * And when they take this away from our players they inevitably also rob us.* Ateneo's win does not erase the fact that the referees were inadequate and that they committed a wrong.* There are a lot of people like us who complain regardless of whether or not the results have been favorable simply because we believe that people from whom trust in performing certain duties is expected should live up to the responsibilities given to them.* Simple as that.





that is not consistent with what i think some of your friends think. they are saying calls are all one sided in favor of UST. that is why we are reacting.

israeli
10-02-2006, 08:42 PM
i am proud of the way UST maintained their composure throughout the game despite the fact that some of their key players were booted out or about to be booted out of the game due to foul trouble. kudos to the heroes, Jun Cortez and Jojo Duncil. :)

as for Ateneo, i really saw how devastated they were (most especially Doug Kramer and JC Intal) after they lost to UST. it was until today's game that the Blue Eagles were said to be most likely team to win the title.

chocoks77
10-02-2006, 09:39 PM
That is why there is such a thing as breaks of the game..as one head referee once told me, you can never have a perfectly officiated game..and you are not in the position to say that sobrang pangit ng calls kasi kng players nga and mga coaches ng ateneo hindi nag rereklamo eh..that is because they know na breaks of the game lang yun..
P.S.
Even if Ateneo wins the championship this year, we will still not stop airing our disgust for the zebras if they do not change the way they make their calls. <--- sorry UST won the championship :)




Buko4, mukhang isang game lang ang napanood mo a. How I wish you were able to watch yung nagwala si Norman Black at the end of the 2nd quarter nung 2nd round game din against UST. Ang dami pang iba. We congratulated UST. They did well. Pero there is really a lot to be desired para dun sa mga zebras

atenean_blooded
10-02-2006, 11:48 PM
Congratulations to the UST Growling Tigers!

The Tigers played great basketball in overtime, making sure every shot they took counted. It was a great game to see, and the sportsmanship displayed this evening in Araneta was something worth remembering. The game was won by a worthy opponent. Congratulations to the UST team and coaching staff!

I just got home from the post-game thanksgiving mass and dinner at the Ateneo's Loyola Heights campus. The mass was well-attended by members of the community, who cheered the team on as they entered the Church of the Gesu.

Before the Mass ended, our graduating captains (Escalona, Kramer, and Intal), Coach Norman Black, and Mr. Manny Pangilinan were asked to say a few words.

Macky began with an apology for not doing better than he did. He then proceeded to thank the Ateneo for all it had given him, proudly declaring the choice he made when he transferred to the Ateneo for high school after graduating salutatorian from La Salle Greenhills. He thanked everybody who was involved in his 9 years at the Ateneo--classmates, coaches, teachers, Jesuit mentors, alumni supporters, and friends (including his girlfriend, his ex-girlfriends, and their families). He then thanked his teammates, his brothers-in-arms, and asked them to carry the fight in the coming seasons.

Doug thanked the coaches, most especially Coach Norman Black, for helping him improve his game. He then thanked all of the Ateneo supporters who showed up, and who never stopped believing in him and the team.

JC shamelessly shed tears as he delivered his speech (he had a towel with him at the podium), thanking everyone who helped out in the seasons he spent at the Ateneo. He thanked Coach Norman for all his support. After that, he singled out members of Team B and the other undergraduates, exhorting them to fight harder in the coming seasons, and hopefully bring back the crown to Loyola. He apologized for leaving without a second championship, but expressed his belief that better days lie ahead, especially since he's seen what a band of brothers the team has become. After Coach Norman said his words, JC returned to the podium, and thanked Carla, his girlfriend from La Salle.

Coach Norman began with an emotional apology, not hiding his disappointment about the loss. "You can go all the way, but if you lose by 2 in overtime, you're still only in second place. But that's sports. The sad thing about competitive sports is that only one team can win. I'm sorry that this ended this way. I promise all of you that I did my very best. I only regret that we didn't get what we came to get." Coach Norman then thanked his players, his coaching staff, and the Ateneo for the "happiest coaching experience" he's ever had in his life. In the years that he has been with us, he has come to understand the community, and thanked it for its boundless support. He then thanked Mr. Pangilinan for all the support he has given the team, and proceeded to express his love for the team that he helped form.

Mr. Pangilinan's speech was, pretty much as expected, all business. He said the appropriate thanks, and asked the community to support the team as they start preparing for the seasons ahead. Singling out Coach Norman (whose contract has been renewed), he then said, "We have what, 10 months to prepare? We'll need to start as soon as possible." He then said that it's true that it's great to win the championship. But what pleases him most about this season is about how the team grew together. The euphoria of winning a championship, or the pain of losing one, lasts for a few weeks or months. The important thing now, is that the team and community have learned, and that preparations should now be underway for what lies ahead.

After singing the Song for Mary, the team then went around the Church of the Gesu to mingle with the gathered community, before proceeding to the Moro Lorenzo Sports Complex, where they had a thanksgiving dinner.

By way of reflection, I don't think we would have seen those who gave those speeches wear their hearts on their sleeves the way they did if we won tonight. The loss, while painful, at least allowed us to see that.

This year was not our year. And the victors were clearly deserving.

Thank you, UST, for a great finals series.

Thank you, Macky, JC, and Doug, for a great 5 years. Godspeed.

ANIMO ATENEO!
ONE BIG FIGHT!

Mateen Cleaves
10-03-2006, 06:20 AM
Macky Escalona played a magnificent game. But in the end, one couldn't second guess Norman Black for going with JC Intal on the last play. Go with the one who got you there. Despite his struggles yesterday, Intal had been in that situation so many times this season, and had always delivered. Intal could create his own shot. JC was the one true mismatch that UST could not stop. Ateneo could not have asked for anything better than to have the ball in JC Intal's hands for the last shot...

Ernest Thayer's classic poem seems fitting for such a classic game:

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright.
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light.
And, somewhere men are laughing, and little children shout,

but there is no joy in Mudville --
mighty JC has struck out.

bluebruiser90
10-03-2006, 07:26 AM
^Pare, let's agree to disagree, pero hindi backing yun. I heard that the ref even apologized and admitted that he made a mistake in making that call. Unconfirmed and unverified though.

BACKING yun..and besides pinagbigyan na kayo ni japs cuan dude, iniwan na niya si doug sa ilalim para daw wala nang reklamo ang ateneo..I also heard that from Japs Cuan but laso Unconfirmed and unverified hehe


Gago pala si Japs e. Eh di sinayang niya lahat ng effort ng mga referee.

Basa ka na ng FIBA rules ha?


ikaw mag basa ng FIBA rules. hindi pa ba kayo makuntento?hayy may mga tao pa din palang ganyan.panalo na reklamo pa


You are missing the big picture buko.*

People here are complaining because there was a wrong done. The backing violation is a just one example of the ineptness of the officiating for this entire UAAP season.* *If you can capture how bad the refs have been this year in one play, it's that backing violation call.* Regardless of the outcome or how Ateneo got the win in Game 1, there was a lot of bad calls and it should stop.* The referees are robbing both Ateneo and UST of the opportunity to win the game on their own merits. Even if Ateneo wins the championship this year, we will still not stop airing our disgust for the zebras if they do not change the way they make their calls.* We feel that these referees are taking the game* and how it should play out in the hands of the people who have worked so hard for it, the players, of both Ateneo and UST. * And when they take this away from our players they inevitably also rob us.* Ateneo's win does not erase the fact that the referees were inadequate and that they committed a wrong.* There are a lot of people like us who complain regardless of whether or not the results have been favorable simply because we believe that people from whom trust in performing certain duties is expected should live up to the responsibilities given to them.* Simple as that.





that is not consistent with what i think some of your friends think. they are saying calls are all one sided in favor of UST. that is why we are reacting.



It's still consistent. Even if the calls are called in favor of one team entirely, the game is still stolen from both teams.* If one team is hampered by bad officiating then they cannot bring their best game forward and if they cannot bring their best game forward, the opposing team is denied the opportunity to compete against the best that other team can bring. In the end, if there is a perception that the games' outcome were tainted with bad officiating, the winning team will always be under a cloud of doubt whether or not they could have really won it on their own.* Which is more disheartening if the winning team does have the skill and will to do it.* What other Ateneans are saying is that if the refs let off the bad calls, Ateneo can bring its best game to the series and we would have a better than even chance of winning the title.* Conversely of course, we would now have to respect the opinion of those from UST that the Tigers can live up to the best that the Eagles can bring to the title series and still win it all. Probably. But from the point of view of a lot of Ateneans who feel that the refs calls were tilted against us, I guess it will never be known.* And that's where a lot of Ateneans ranting in these threads are coming from. As exciting and heart stopping as the championship series was already,the deplorable officiating robbed all of us, players, fans and school supporters, of the opportunity to see the best of both the Blue Eagles and the Tigers.

But that is now water under the bridge. We have remembered our struggle, we have celebrated and we still continue to believe.* The trophy is now in Espana and we send them all of our congratulations.

The battle for the title was was a glorious epic and both teams deserve to be champions.* It would have been more glorious if the refs let the teams play properly and bring their best to the games as I'm sure both teams can still increase the intensity level a few notches.* Still, not to take anything from UST, they really were hungry to take it home. And I will never belittle their great struggle, their ONE BIG FIGHT. They had a great season and a very compelling story.* Heck, if I didn't go to Ateneo I would be rooting for the Tigers.*

Getting pissed with the zebras is just part of the struggle I guess, both for the players and the people in the peanut gallery. And it would be very hard to go after bad officiating without disrespecting the opposing teams even if it may be unintentional. I'm sure that despite the fiery verbal tirades from the Blue side, disrespect for a worthy opponent like UST is farthest from minds of the most vocal and critical Ateneo posters in these threads.* I for one believe that at this point in the season, people should still continue complain if only to push for better officiating in the future. But paths should be treaded very carefully as to not to give the impresson that anyone is casting doubt on UST's win.* They won* it, we lost in. Plain and simple. Respect should always be given where it is due and we salute the UST Tigers, a very worthy adversary and a very deserving UAAP champion. They have fought well, they have fought hard and they have left everything on the court. That's the kind of basketball that we grew up on in Loyola.* *

5FootCarrot
10-03-2006, 08:39 AM
Now that I've had the chance to pray and sleep off my disappointment, I would like to post here my sincerest and heartiest congratulations to UST for winning the senior basketball championship last night. I'm still sad that Ateneo did not win, but am also honestly glad for the Tigers.

This was an exciting season and an even greater series, thanks to all the UAAP teams' hard work. See you guys next year.

Ranger
10-03-2006, 10:28 AM
Congatulations to both UST and ADMU! UST for winning the championship. ADMU for a great fight!

I can't agree with Norman's philosophy of fouling Cuan and sending him to the line. Those free throws, even if he only converted one out of two in the end game, still added to the difference in the score. UST's game plan was to play a slow and controlled game while ADMU thrives in the fastbreak. I'm dissapointed that Norman chose to foul Cuan instead of applying pressure on him to speed up the game. Norman chose to play UST's game and it backfired. It's difficult to hope that Cuan would miss his two shots on the line always. Odds are fifty-fifty.

The refs called the game very tight. This is the reason for so many free throws in the first half. ADMU 16/18 UST 8/16. They controlled the game from the very start instead of letting the players play. This I assume is because of the complaints about the officiating the previous two games. Key UST players fouled out in regulation. ADMU even benefitted in the last 21 seconds of regulation when, the ref made in my opinion, a wrong call when he awarded the ball to ADMU. It appeared in replay that UST player was in no contact with the ball as he went out of bounds.

ADMU had the chance to win in regulation and had another chance in overtime. I see no fault in going with JC on both occassions, even though Macky was the hottest ADMU player. Norman went with his main man. It could be argued that JC should have taken a better shot but he made his decision and he should live with it.

In the end the breaks went the way of UST. They worked hard and didn't fold when they were down by five and a little over a minute to go in regulation. They entered into overtime without their top two frontline, Evangelista and Cruz, but they managed to remain focused at the task on hand. It was a hard earned championship!!!!!

patupup
10-03-2006, 10:37 AM
simply one of the best championship game i ever saw. my hats off to both teams for a well fought series... it was a classic, pampelikula! ;D

Congratulations to USTe especially coach Pido for a job well done! :D

jkad
10-03-2006, 10:46 AM
UST won it all because of their bunch of players who look and play alike--Duncil, Ababou, Canlas, Espiritu. All tall, lanky players who could shoot the mid-range jumper, bomb a three, slash in for a layup and rebound like hell.

Agent 008
10-03-2006, 02:19 PM
Jkad..I agree with you. There were too many mismatches in favor of UST. Nevertheless, I join the community in congratulating this year's champions on a job well done.

Mateen Cleaves
10-03-2006, 03:36 PM
UST won it all because of their bunch of players who look and play alike--Duncil, Ababou, Canlas, Espiritu. All tall, lanky players who could shoot the mid-range jumper, bomb a three, slash in for a layup and rebound like hell.


IMHO, it's fitting that UST won the title because they best exemplify the athletic, high octane, and fun-to-watch style of play that was such a big part of UAAP basketball this season.

john_paul_manahan
10-03-2006, 03:54 PM
agreed.

easter
10-03-2006, 04:16 PM
When UST made their winning run in the first round I thought to myself that this team has what it takes to make it (not necessarily to the finals) but the final four at least. It was a complete and versatile team. Kaya when Ateneo won big in the first encounter I was surprised kasi I always see it was a threat. When they beat our team in the second round my suspicions were slowly being realized that it is indeed a team that can be a brick wall for Ateneo. Deep inside I preferred Adamson in the final four because I had this feeling that UST, being so similar to us will be our biggest thorn and this finals series proved such suspicions.

Congrats again to the UST Growling Tigers you truly deserved his crown!

christian
10-03-2006, 10:41 PM
Although my bet was with ADMU, i'm glad UST won. Idol ko si Pido :) He's very entertaining to wtch, up until now. Can't wait for next season.

ADMU, next year will be better, with the return of the Archers, your victory will be sweeter. Good Luck.

Jump_Shooter
11-13-2006, 05:46 PM
It's been 42 days since Game 3 and 41 days since anyone posted a reply. Locking this thread.