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Gil_Andrews
09-18-2006, 10:47 PM
Any confirmation to this????

Joescoundrel
09-18-2006, 11:02 PM
And the Kingdon of Pumaren continues to unravel...

Fried Green Tomato
09-18-2006, 11:20 PM
No confirmation from ue (nobody wants to talk) but he's under suspicion since the last 4 games of the 2nd round. Is bong tan still with ue? ???

canmaker
09-18-2006, 11:42 PM
Shades of the 2002 scenario with the cool cat??? Tsk tsk tsk ...

Recruit mercenaries, live with the consequences ... And Jun Tiongco was bragging in Rizal that Custodio agreed to play for UE for _ thousand pesos a week ...

Karma's a bitch, ain't it ???


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No confirmation from ue (nobody wants to talk) but he's under suspicion since the last 4 games of the 2nd round. Is bong tan still with ue? ???

Fried Green Tomato
09-18-2006, 11:58 PM
Maybe lucio tan already lifted the banning of bong tan in ue? ???

5FootCarrot
09-19-2006, 08:38 AM
Maybe they're related. Ahahaha ::)

I have no idea if the fixing rumors about Bonbon are true. I heard about it as early as the last few games of the eliminations, but he was fielded then. Guess we'll find out if he has indeed been banned on Thursday.

Even though I really don't like Bonbon, I sincerely hope that the rumors are not true. If he wants to have a pro career after college, he'd better keep his nose clean or else his name will be garbage as far as the PBA is concerned.

EDIT: Oh, so they are related ;D Clueless Carrot!

Joescoundrel
09-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Talked to some people in the Recto campus, nothing's out in the open just yet, although the whole team has been sequestered to parts unknown. Apparently there was a lot of yelling in the dugout after their Ateneo game and even more so n ow after the UST game, and it involved the aforementioned player starring in this thread. Of course, that could easily be attributed to emotions running high, frustration, etc... Still, Canmaker is right - shades of the Cool Cat and Willie Wilson being hung out to dry...

easter
09-19-2006, 02:01 PM
^Ateneo game? They won that one and Bonbon sealed it with his two freethrows. Why blame him when he got you the win?

Apocrypha
09-19-2006, 03:31 PM
^Bonbon had around 6 turnovers I think in the 4th qtr against Ateneo. I know he's not the best at taking care of the ball, but that did seem like a high number. Maybe missing the free throws would have been too obvious. I don't know, but for his sake I hope it's not true.

So that brings us to two Pumaren coaches who blame losses (or near losses) to players who throw games.

Joescoundrel
09-19-2006, 04:11 PM
^Ateneo game? They won that one and Bonbon sealed it with his two freethrows. Why blame him when he got you the win?


Bon almost lost it for UE in the fourth quarter. Plus his sudden inability to hit jumpshots or complete three-point play opportunities because of last minute hand-offs in midair after a whistle or right in time with a whistle are disturbing to say the least. Yes, there are off nights for even the best players, but off nights are different from when someone is already deliberately pulling punches. Players are pretty easy to profile, hence the advancements in scouting. When a player all of a sudden has an unexplained funk it is no longer easily dismissed as burnout or stress or an off night.

I wonder what security is like at the Tanduay compound in Quiapo...?

DREDD
09-19-2006, 04:36 PM
hus....d totoo yan...siguro para lang masira konsentrasyon nung kalaban na team kaya lumabas tong issue na to...galing galing ni bon-bon...\/

muddatrucker
09-19-2006, 05:02 PM
hus....d totoo yan...siguro para lang masira konsentrasyon nung kalaban na team kaya lumabas tong issue na to...galing galing ni bon-bon...\/

That's why he's being suspected of game fixing. Ang "galing galing" tapos biglang hindi maka-score.

Jump_Shooter
09-19-2006, 05:12 PM
No confirmation from ue (nobody wants to talk) but he's under suspicion since the last 4 games of the 2nd round. Is bong tan still with ue? ???

It could be someone else, not necessarily Bong Tan. Two years ago Dindo was supposed to ban two other players over the same allegations, but nothing ever happened and instead Bong Tan was ordered by dad Lucio to stay away from the UE team. Assuming the allegations over Bonbon are true, I just wonder if the coach will push through with it this time.

Joescoundrel
09-19-2006, 08:21 PM
Mr. Bren Perez or whoever else is in charge of the UE Athletics program should come out with an official statement. If they wait for this to once again come out in the open before reacting it will be more spin doctoring than honest statements. This is unfair to Bon Custodio, to Coach Dindo Pumaren and his assistants, the entire Warriors team, and the University of the East in general. In light of recent developments regarding player eligibility and incompetent officiating, this is the last thing the league needs. UE owes the basketball community and the general public an explanation. Even a simple denial will suffice. Why not have Mr. Perez or even VP Cortez or Chairman Domingo simply ask the coaches if they do indeed suspect that Custodio has been fixing games? If they do then let them make a statement to that effect to the top school administration. After that, the school administration should issue a direct statement to the UAAP informing them that said player will not be seeing action pending an internal investigation. It would be much better should these things come from UE itself rather than have some intrepid reporter drag the school through the muck with a scoop.

1979
09-19-2006, 08:34 PM
AFAIK Bonbon Custodio will play in UE's next game.

atenean_blooded
09-19-2006, 10:11 PM
Baka nga dogs aren't allowed on the playing court. They might bite the railing of Araneta.

DREDD
09-20-2006, 08:27 AM
hus....d totoo yan...siguro para lang masira konsentrasyon nung kalaban na team kaya lumabas tong issue na to...galing galing ni bon-bon...\/

That's why he's being suspected of game fixing. Ang "galing galing" tapos biglang hindi maka-score.


in a game like basketball every player have their own what we called off night...im sure bon wants to win this game just like any other player on their respective team pero yun nga lang medyo malas....pero ust ako ha...peace....salamat coley ulit sa video....\/

Mateen Cleaves
09-20-2006, 09:12 AM
Mr. Bren Perez or whoever else is in charge of the UE Athletics program should come out with an official statement. If they wait for this to once again come out in the open before reacting it will be more spin doctoring than honest statements. This is unfair to Bon Custodio, to Coach Dindo Pumaren and his assistants, the entire Warriors team, and the University of the East in general. In light of recent developments regarding player eligibility and incompetent officiating, this is the last thing the league needs. UE owes the basketball community and the general public an explanation. Even a simple denial will suffice. Why not have Mr. Perez or even VP Cortez or Chairman Domingo simply ask the coaches if they do indeed suspect that Custodio has been fixing games? If they do then let them make a statement to that effect to the top school administration. After that, the school administration should issue a direct statement to the UAAP informing them that said player will not be seeing action pending an internal investigation. It would be much better should these things come from UE itself rather than have some intrepid reporter drag the school through the muck with a scoop.


Would Ateneo do the same thing? Would Fr. Nebres issue any statement responding to a mere Internet rumor? Even if Norman Black had gone to him and said that they had suspicions about a player -- but no hard proof -- my guess is that Fr. Nebres would take a conservative approach to the issue.

Preventive or otherwise, any suspension would immediately taint the student in the public's eye, and in the eyes of his peers. What is to stop people from looking at the rest of the line-up and asking, "Sino pa sa kanila ang madumi?". Universities have a responsibility to respect and protect their students' rights. In this matter, what universities can do is limited to that for which real evidence is available. If an investigation is needed, then they should do it. Professionally and quietly. No official statements until all the facts are in. No partial updates to feed the curious. Leave the speculation to those on the Internet boards.

bluetruck
09-20-2006, 01:08 PM
Baka nga dogs aren't allowed on the playing court. They might bite the railing of Araneta.


dogs are supposed to be loyal. baka asong ulol na 'to kaya nagkaganun.

bluetruck
09-20-2006, 01:09 PM
And the Kingdon of Pumaren continues to unravel...


this is karma!

mangtsito
09-20-2006, 07:08 PM
Would Ateneo do the same thing? Would Fr. Nebres issue any statement responding to a mere Internet rumor? Even if Norman Black had gone to him and said that they had suspicions about a player -- but no hard proof -- my guess is that Fr. Nebres would take a conservative approach to the issue.



A statement was issued sometime ago in reply to a "spurious" to a faxed-in rumor.

Mateen Cleaves
09-20-2006, 07:57 PM
^Was it about game-fixing?

There's a huge difference. Ateneo responded to the Reedley issue because the institution itself was under question with regard to its admission policies. There was a series of news articles (or press releases, depending on your perspective) on the issue AND there was no concern about putting Japeth or Jobe's rights in jeopardy. There was something tangible (the points raised in the fax) to respond to. Most importantly, Ateneo issued the statement with finality and conviction because they already had the documentation. The Ateneo officials did not say, "We strongly deny any wrongdoing by any of our coaches and players. And, OBTW, we're still conducting our investigation of the matter."

paralusi
09-21-2006, 10:13 AM
going back to custodio and ue, according to the Star (http://www.philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200609211604.htm):

"But focus will be on MVP candidate Jervy Cruz, who struggled with just 11 points and nine rebounds in his last game and the Warriors top gun Bon Bon Custodio, who fired 17 points in the last game but committed seven turnovers mostly coming from crucial plays in the second half.

"And Pumaren is confident Custodio will maintain a hig level of competitiveness in the match although he stressed he would still put premium on teamwork and defense to scuttle the Tigers and barge into the championship.

"'Custodio works hard in practice. But what were focusing on is team effort because we always try to balance our production,' Pumaren said."

Wang-Bu
09-21-2006, 03:16 PM
Hindi daw maglalaro si Bon mamaya, at may statement ng ilalabas ang UE. Abangan na lang mga katoto.

full battle gear
09-21-2006, 03:18 PM
BREAKING NEWS received by Gameface:

Bonbon Custodio will not be playing today.

UE will issue a statement soon.

mangtsito
09-21-2006, 03:32 PM
Hear that M.C.? UE will be issuing a statement. So much for your hairsplitting.

easter
09-21-2006, 04:08 PM
sabi ng commentators disciplinary action daw

Joescoundrel
09-21-2006, 04:09 PM
Gentlemen, please, there is already an exclusive pronouncement made in these pages, no need to split hairs or anything else for that matter. Let's just await the announcement by the good people from CM Recto.

paralusi
09-21-2006, 04:10 PM
bakit naman di pa nila hinintay ang finals?!

suspended na ba for the rest of the season yan?

;D

bluebruiser90
09-21-2006, 04:16 PM
Kahit one game lang yan, yan na lang ang season ng UE pag hindi naglaro si Custodio.

Joescoundrel
09-21-2006, 04:19 PM
Bruiser, may I just ask: when a player "fixes" a game, does he commit a crime in this jurisdiction? Is this considered a felony or a violation under any of the Special Laws?

bluebruiser90
09-21-2006, 04:42 PM
Hindi ko kabisado yan pero mukhang sabit si Custodio kung mapapatunayan under PD No. 483 (Game Fixing) as amended by P.D. NO. 1602 (SIMPLIFYING AND PROVIDING STIFFER PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS OF PHILIPPINE GAMBLING LAWS).

Pertinent portions read as follows:

Sec. 1. Violations and Penalties. The penalty of prision mayor in its medium degree or a fine ranging from Five Hundred Pesos to Two Thousand Pesos and in case of recidivism the penalty of prision correccional in its medium degree or a fine of ranging from One Thousand Pesos to Six Thousand Pesos shall be imposed upon:

(a) Any person other than those referred to in the succeeding subsection who in any manner, shall directly or indirectly take part in any game of cockfighting, jueteng, bookies (jai- alai or horse racing to include game fixing) and other lotteries, cara y cruz or pompiang and the like, black jack, lucky nine, "pusoy" or Russian Poker, monte, baccarat and other card games, palk que, domino, mahjong, high and low, slot machines, roullette, pinball and other mechanical inventories or devices, dog racing, boat racing, car raising and other races, basketball, volleyball, boxing, seven-eleven dice games and the like and other contests to include game fixing, point shaving and other machinations banking or percentage game, or any other game or scheme, whether upon chance or skill, which do not have a franchise from the national government, wherein wagers consisting of money, articles of value of representative of value are made


Mabigat din ang parusa, Prision Correctional in it's medium term is(alam mo yan Joe, inabot mo yan sa law school): 2 years, 4 months and 1 day to 4 years and 2 months.* *

jembengzon
09-21-2006, 04:50 PM
maybe mark jalandoni of the ombudsman's office can have this investigated as well, assuming UE's statement does point to this as the reason for the disciplinary action, para two-in-one nalang :D

bluebruiser90
09-21-2006, 04:57 PM
Hindi puwedeng pakialamanan ng Ombudsman yan dahil walang involved na government official.

DOJ ang puwedeng pumasok tapos iuutos sa NBI.

sa_pula
09-21-2006, 06:57 PM
kahit 1 game lang yan kung dapt lang ung gnawa ng ue ky bonbon...game fixing nga cgro talaga kasalanan ni bonbon kc hindi pingpalit ng ue finals para lang ma suspend si custodio

Wang-Bu
09-21-2006, 07:43 PM
(DIS) Graceful Exit DAW

(Ganesh!?)

(Ano be-ehh!?)

(Echos parlor at chuvanes ek-ek!?)

May isang NAPAKABIGATING ATENISTA na meron daw alam na matinding tsismis.

Ang nagsabi daw sa kanya ng tsismis ay MABIGAT na LASALISTANG nagtatrabaho para sa kanya.

Tila yata naghahanda na palang MATALO ang mga dakilang katoto ko. Este, naghahanda na daw palang ma-shuffle ang kanilang hepeng-panlaruan. Para na lang daw hindi mapahiya nag-isip na lang ng KWENTONG BIYAHE, at may designated driver pa na in-CUSTODY na daw. Gaya nung naganap nung mga bandang 2002 ng ma-shuffle ang mga Sangre Berde. (Tila yata sinasadya sapagkat kulay ng inggit ang berde hindi ba?)

Hay naku... kawawa naman ang manlalaro, tila yata nadamay pa dahil lang sa kakulangan ng ibang tao. SINISI na naman ang iba imbis na tanggapin ang kakulangan at pag-ibayuhin sana ang mga sarili. Tila yata usong-uso ang ganitong sisihan, parang isang SALING PUSA...

Pisting yaua...

israeli
09-21-2006, 08:41 PM
dapat pa bang pag-initan nang husto si Bonbon? last year na niya ngayon sa UAAP (along with Mark Borboran).

Jump_Shooter
09-21-2006, 09:30 PM
Hear that M.C.?* UE will be issuing a statement.* So much for your hairsplitting.

He was just asking a legitimate question. After all, none of us really knew if UE would even come with a statement.

But yes, UE has come out with a statement. They said Custodio's suspension was a "disciplinary measure on an infraction of a certain rule." This very profound statement was signed by Carmelita Mateo, UE EVP.

freak
09-21-2006, 09:42 PM
^ can we have a copy of the statement posted here?

Jump_Shooter
09-21-2006, 09:47 PM
Noted. I'll see if I can have one scanned for posting. Thanks.

A-boy97
09-22-2006, 01:34 AM
Kawawa naman tong si bonbon. This is the problem if you are a good player. If you don't play well, people always claim "bibenta" laro. What people fail to see is that Bonbon really has a high turnover ratio. If I remember correctly, there was even a game where he had 10 turnovers. He can score a lot points and make impossible shots but in the same light error prone talaga yan.

Anyway, good luck to bonbon and the UE community. Pumaren kasi coach niyo eh.... tsk, tsk. ;)

A-boy97
09-22-2006, 01:36 AM
Kawawa naman tong si bonbon. This is the problem if you are a good player. If you don't play well, people always claim "binenta" laro. What people fail to see is that Bonbon really has a high turnover ratio. If I remember correctly, there was even a game where he had 10 turnovers. He can score a lot points and make impossible shots but in the same light, error prone talaga yan.

Anyway, good luck to bonbon and the UE community. Pumaren kasi coach niyo eh.... tsk, tsk. ;)

murkey1990
09-22-2006, 09:46 AM
I got a text yesterday from a friend regarding this. Don't know if this is true, might as well share it:

"Bonbon was benched due to suspicions of game fixing. All UE players' cellphones were confisacted before the game but he was still seen with a different cellphone right before the game."

However, from the news articles this morning, it was noted that the coaching staff was given the decision by the UE administartion yesterday morning. Bonbon left the coliseum upon learning of said decision. So i really don't know what's true.

bluebruiser90
09-22-2006, 11:04 AM
Regardless of the truth of the accusations, this is something that will haunt Custodio for the rest of his basketball career. It will definitely hurt his chances in the next PBA draft. 10 foot poles will be a required accessory for teams looking at the ex-UE Warrior.

patupup
09-22-2006, 11:23 AM
I got a text yesterday from a friend regarding this.* Don't know if this is true, might as well share it:

"Bonbon was benched due to suspicions of game fixing.* All UE players' cellphones were confisacted before the game but he was still seen with a different cellphone right before the game."

However, from the news articles this morning, it was noted that the coaching staff was given the decision by the UE administartion yesterday morning.* Bonbon left the coliseum upon learning of said decision.* So i really don't know what's true.


got this text also yesterday... parang i have this feeling na this is true ::)

Wang-Bu
09-22-2006, 01:45 PM
Ang masasabi ko lang nangyari na ito dati, sa isa ding player na napagbintangan na nagbenta ng laro, sa championship pa mandin. Awa ni bathala nasa PBA na ngayon ang player na 'yon. Nakapagtataka talaga, magkabagis pa ang coach nung player na 'yon at ang coach ni Custodio ngayon. Ano kayang hinahain sa kanila at tila yata pare-pareho ang kanilang mga diskarte pagdating sa pagkatalo? Imbis na ayusin ang buhay-buhay nila naghahanap sila ng masisisi.

bluetruck
09-22-2006, 01:49 PM
Kawawa naman tong si bonbon.* This is the problem if you are a good player.* If you don't play well, people always claim "bibenta" laro.* What people fail to see is that Bonbon really has a high turnover ratio.* If I remember correctly, there was even a game where he had 10 turnovers.* He can score a lot points and make impossible shots but in the same light error prone talaga yan.*

Anyway, good luck to bonbon and the UE community.* Pumaren kasi coach niyo eh.... tsk, tsk.* ;)


it seems that players with dubious reputations always end up playing for the pumarens...birds of the same feather?

BigBlue
09-22-2006, 02:20 PM
the major difference between Custodio's case to that of the 2002 la salle team was that Mike Cortez and Willie Wilson were only recepients of accusations. Nothing concrete followed.

Custodio on the other hand was sanctioned for suspected involvement in game fixing. It involves a specific sanction issued by the school, which was based on facts (i hope) and specific acts and/or ommissions done by Custodio. It wasnt an ordinary disciplinary measure issued by the coaching staff in the same shape as say, Joe Lipa benching Marvin Cruz, but rather something that was announced by high-level school officials.

This is a black mark on Custodio, something that would take a whole lot of PR work to wipe away.

MargaretThrasher
09-22-2006, 02:29 PM
Did UE actually come right out and say that Bonbon was being suspended because of alleged game-fixing? ???

BigBlue
09-22-2006, 03:00 PM
Did UE actually come right out and say that Bonbon was being suspended because of alleged game-fixing? ???


hhmm.. good point MT. As of now,from what i've heard, they've kept their statement to "suspended for disciplinary reasons" or something to that effect, so nothing said about game fixing, yet. If within the next few days, they dont clarify what this was all about, well then most if not all, would conclude that game-fixing was involved.

Wang-Bu
09-22-2006, 04:09 PM
Ang sabi lang naman ni Ma'am Mateo sa statement "for violation of team rules" atsaka "actions inimical to team discipline". Baka naman nag-drinking without inviting si Bon, mortal na kasalanan 'yan kapag Warriors ka, dapat hindi lang ikaw magbibisyo, sama mo mga tropa. Nung panahon nga namin ng Lim brothers at nina Aldwin Manubag at Julius Sotto ordinansa na ng syudad ng Maynila ang violation namin...

bluebruiser90
09-22-2006, 07:13 PM
Did UE actually come right out and say that Bonbon was being suspended because of alleged game-fixing?* ???


hhmm.. good point MT. As of now,from what i've heard, they've kept their statement to "suspended for disciplinary reasons" or something to that effect, so nothing said about game fixing, yet. If within the next few days, they dont clarify what this was all about, well then most if not all, would conclude that game-fixing was involved.


I doubt if UE will ever come out with a categorical statement on the reason for Custodio's disciplinary action. Unless they want to draw unnecessary attention to them that may eventually end up into a full blown circus. No need to invite unwanted probing eyes.

cub
09-23-2006, 12:19 AM
hindi naman talaga suspended si Custodio eh. un lang ang pinalabas nila, pero ang totoo, iniwan siya sa ue ng kanilang bus papuntang araneta..

sa_pula
09-23-2006, 01:38 PM
sabi after daw ng game iyak daw ng iyak c custodio about daw dun sa bentahan issue..hindi nmn daw 22o un..and pati rin daw c arellano sinisisi ni pumaren at sinasama s bentahan issue..sabi ng prof sa uste na pamangkin si arellano..

bluetruck
09-23-2006, 03:30 PM
sabi after daw ng game iyak daw ng iyak c custodio about daw dun sa bentahan issue..hindi nmn daw 22o un..and pati rin daw c arellano sinisisi ni pumaren at sinasama s bentahan issue..sabi ng prof sa uste na pamangkin si arellano..


baka naman si dindo ang nagbenta. ha ha

jembengzon
09-23-2006, 04:36 PM
sabi after daw ng game iyak daw ng iyak c custodio about daw dun sa bentahan issue..hindi nmn daw 22o un..and pati rin daw c arellano sinisisi ni pumaren at sinasama s bentahan issue..sabi ng prof sa uste na pamangkin si arellano..


baka naman si dindo ang nagbenta. ha ha


shades of willie wilson and mike cortez of 2002....pero gaya niyan, players parati ang sinisisi, panay turo ng coach.* to clear their names, they best learn from that experience and speak for themselves, not letting anyone speak for them.* silence on their part will lend itslef to the rumor being true.* bakit naman pati si marcy, dinadamay pa ? meron sa kabilang forum, may presyo pa daw na P180 K/game kay bonbon

edited to add: while i'm not a big fan of ue, the players or the pumarens, i'm for the truth to surface regarding this issue. that's why i think the player should take it upon themselves and speak out if he is innocent. it doesn't look good if he keeps quiet, especially since the circumstance was he was their team leader, leading scorer and best player who was suspended. and while custodio has the talent to make the pba, he's not the "can't miss" prospect mike cortez was when he was drafted.

Jump_Shooter
09-23-2006, 07:30 PM
sabi after daw ng game iyak daw ng iyak c custodio about daw dun sa bentahan issue..hindi nmn daw 22o un..and pati rin daw c arellano sinisisi ni pumaren at sinasama s bentahan issue..sabi ng prof sa uste na pamangkin si arellano..


baka naman si dindo ang nagbenta. ha ha


shades of willie wilson and mike cortez of 2002....pero gaya niyan, players parati ang sinisisi, panay turo ng coach.* to clear their names, they best learn from that experience and speak for themselves, not letting anyone speak for them.* silence on their part will lend itslef to the rumor being true.* bakit naman pati si marcy, dinadamay pa ? meron sa kabilang forum, may presyo pa daw na P180 K/game kay bonbon

edited to add:* while i'm not a big fan of ue, the players or the pumarens,* i'm for the truth to surface regarding this issue.* that's why i think the player should take it upon themselves and speak out if he is innocent.* it doesn't look good if he keeps quiet, especially since the circumstance was* he* was their team leader, leading scorer and best player who was suspended.* and while custodio has the talent to make the pba, he's not the "can't miss" prospect mike cortez was when he was drafted.

If Custodio will come out in the open, the only thing he can do is either confirm or deny that he violated a team rule. It's up to him if he wants to describe exactly what this rule was. If he will come out and say that he did not fix a game without anyone directly asking him, he will appear defensive.








Did UE actually come right out and say that Bonbon was being suspended because of alleged game-fixing? ???


hhmm.. good point MT. As of now,from what i've heard, they've kept their statement to "suspended for disciplinary reasons" or something to that effect, so nothing said about game fixing, yet. If within the next few days, they dont clarify what this was all about, well then most if not all, would conclude that game-fixing was involved.


I doubt if UE will ever come out with a categorical statement on the reason for Custodio's disciplinary action. Unless they want to draw unnecessary attention to them that may eventually end up into a full blown circus. No need to invite unwanted probing eyes.

Which is why it's not that simple for Bonbon to come out and deny any wrongdoing outside of the rule he violated. It will just inflame the issue.

It's really a Catch-22 situation for a team. If they suspect a player is up to no good, they can bench him but run the risk of being criticized for being paranoid and for ruining the player's reputation should they lose the game. But if they decide to take their chances and use the player, they run another risk of the player throwing the game away, and they might end up losing the game anyway.

Game-fixing is a very serious allegation. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but the thing is, it's very hard to prove, and that's why many teams can only go so far as to be suspicious of their players. No team will ever publicly accuse one of their players of game-fixing unless they have solid, airtight evidence, which is very hard to come by. Publicly accusing a player will not only court legal action from the defamed player, it will also imply that the team is looking for a convenient scapegoat. And that is why it's highly unlikely UE will ever publicly accuse Bonbon.

bluetruck
09-23-2006, 09:38 PM
bottom line is that bonbon's ambition to play in the pba has just gone down the drain. this is different from the joseph yeo case. this is game fixing, my friends. he will just have to settle playing in the barangay / fiesta leagues as an import.

sa_pula
09-23-2006, 10:28 PM
sabi ng mga estudyante sa ue manila nahuli daw s txt c custodio, ngkaroon daw ng closed door meeting and umamin daw c custodio..wala na raw c custodio ngaun sa ue

Ghostrider
09-24-2006, 09:03 AM
Scuttlebutt going around the UE faculty room is that Bon Bon sold game 1 in exchange for a brand new Toyota Vios.

The identity of the inducer has not been known, but I personally think the answer lies somewhere in downtown Manila.

That being said, I was finally able to watch the replay of game 1 of the UE UST game and did not find anything suspicious about Bon Bon's game. Sure there were alot of turnovers, but that's just his style. Most of the turnovers came over passing errors wherein the receiver could have been equallly at fault.

While I personally dislike Bon Bon, given the history of the Pumarens with their talents, the ongoing PEPTest scandal, the sports management agengy and seemingly lack of proof against Bon Bon would lead me to conclude that this is unnecessarily harsh.

However, it there is solid proof, then let the chips fall where they may.

Birdland
09-24-2006, 09:24 AM
In the history of Philippine basketball, there has been nobody that has been caught dropping games for money. How do you prove such a thing? Trace bank account records or an entrapment perhaps? The only way for Bonbon to deserve such harsh predicament is if he admitted to it. Not that I condone lying, but Bonbon would be stupid to do such a thing - pwede na nyang tanggalin ang mga letrang N sa pangalan nya kapag ganyan!

Mateen Cleaves
09-24-2006, 10:08 AM
^I don't know if it was ever proven in court, but the core of the pre-PBA Crispa line-up, IIRC, was disbanded because of point-shaving. Six players were given lifetime suspensions. Eventually, as with Sonny Jaworski (banned for assaulting referees Cahanding and Obias), the lifetime bans on these players were lifted and they were given second chances in the PBA. These players included Danny Florencio, Jun Papa, Rudy Soriano, among others. The only player of note that wasn't tainted by the scandal was Bogs Adornado.

Birdland
09-24-2006, 11:31 AM
^I don't know if it was ever proven in court, but the core of the pre-PBA Crispa line-up, IIRC, was disbanded because of point-shaving. Six players were given lifetime suspensions. Eventually, as with Sonny Jaworski (banned for assaulting referees Cahanding and Obias), the lifetime bans on these players were lifted and they were given second chances in the PBA. These players included Danny Florencio, Jun Papa, Rudy Soriano, among others. The only player of note that wasn't tainted by the scandal was Bogs Adornado.


In the early 70's, authority was viewed and respected differently. When you look in the eyes of your father when he was scolding you, latigo ka! No questions asked. May matsismis na magnanakaw sa barrio nyo, sa ilog nyo na hahanapin. Walang innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt noon.

And during that time, game-fixing was rampant. It so happened na medyo nagkagarapalan at nagpatalo sila sa Mariwasa. The BAP during that time had to do something because nagwawala yung mga taong naubos pati pamato kakapusta sa Crispa. Ayon, banned kayo for life. They didn't have to investigate. It was common knowledge anyway who was in and out of the take. They simply had to do something drastic to curb it and since medyo garapal nga yung ginawa ng Crispa noon, ginawa silang sample.

Ofcourse, up to now game-fixing is there. But admittedly though, it is not as rampant as before. Mahirap lang kasing patunayan talaga to the point of impossible na talaga.

freak
09-27-2006, 08:00 PM
any new developments regarding the issue?

whiplash
09-28-2006, 01:00 PM
sad news indeed

Ghostrider
09-28-2006, 02:25 PM
As of today, September 28, 2006, Assistant Ombudsman Jalandoni has already sent the subpoena for the UAAP report.

sa_pula
09-30-2006, 11:44 AM
kick out n sa ue s custodio

pio_valenz
09-30-2006, 10:57 PM
As of today, September 28, 2006, Assistant Ombudsman Jalandoni has already sent the subpoena for the UAAP report.

On game-fixing? Or did you mean the PEPTEST thingie?

vickster
10-03-2006, 09:31 AM
is there any update on Custodio? he was conspicuously absent during the awarding of medals for 2nd runner up UE, and he isn't on the bantay bata UAAP team. seems like he has become an instant pariah.

patupup
10-03-2006, 10:32 AM
kick out n sa ue s custodio

how true is this? kahapon kasi sa awarding ceremony, pansin ko wala siya e....

sa_pula
10-06-2006, 11:10 PM
dapat si custodio ung place ni chan kaso dahil s nangyari si chan n lang sinma nila sa mythical 5..kahit nga sa uaap all star wala sya e

israeli
10-06-2006, 11:42 PM
has Bonbon aired his side of the story? masama naman kung huhusgahan natin yung tao nang di man lang niya naidepensa yung sarili niya from the allegations.

bchoter
10-07-2006, 01:49 PM
Si Bonbon nilaglag agad nung, diumano, umamin siyang nasuhulan siya.

Yung isang Pumaren, alam nang sabit pinalaro pa rin.

sa_pula
10-07-2006, 06:59 PM
sino ba ung binabanggit ni chino trinidad sa radio program nya na player ng adamson na nagbbenta din daw ng laro?

freak
10-07-2006, 07:48 PM
dapat si custodio ung place ni chan kaso dahil s nangyari si chan n lang sinma nila sa mythical 5..kahit nga sa uaap all star wala sya e


I read from one of the dailies that he is not part of the Warrior team that will be competing in the Champion's League. It also qouted Dindo Pumaren as saying "He does not join in our practices anymore." or something to that effect.

israeli
10-07-2006, 09:01 PM
sino ba ung binabanggit ni chino trinidad sa radio program nya na player ng adamson na nagbbenta din daw ng laro?


parang narinig ko ito ah. he seemed to be pointing to the most popular Falcon. :o

mangtsito
10-08-2006, 10:37 AM
sino ba ung binabanggit ni chino trinidad sa radio program nya na player ng adamson na nagbbenta din daw ng laro?


parang narinig ko ito ah. he seemed to be pointing to the most popular Falcon. :o


Mahirap patunayan iyan.... lalo na't halos hindi magka-error o mag-miss ng freethrow ang Falcon na iyon.

sa_pula
10-08-2006, 12:17 PM
mahilig daw mg foul ng tumitira sa tres..

5FootCarrot
10-09-2006, 07:39 AM
mahilig daw mg foul ng tumitira sa tres..
How can this be considered game fixing? If a player fouls an opponent attempting a 3, it can be passed off as a defensive effort on the part of the fouling player.

Of course, if a player fouls a teammate who's attempting a 3, suspicious na talaga yun ;D

easter
10-09-2006, 08:14 AM
Depende yan kung sino bantay mo. Eh kung ang bantay mo eh parang Ritualo, Cabahug o kaya Chris Tiu at naiwan ka at gusto mo humabol, talagang may posibilidad na mag-foul ka.

Wang-Bu
10-16-2006, 04:57 PM
Ayan, awa ni bathala nakuha pa pala ng Magnolia sa PBL itong si Bon.

Hindi pa pala tuluyang naglaho ang career niya gawa ng paninira ng mga mag-utol na hindi mo mawari kung saan nanggagaling ang mga diskarte sa buhay...

5FootCarrot
10-17-2006, 08:08 AM
Mabuti naman at may kumuha pa sa kanya kahit na nagkagulo ang college career niya. Inaasahan kong lulubusin ni Bonbon ang pagkakataong ito at maganda ang ipapakita niya sa PBL.

Bennie Bangag
10-17-2006, 08:47 AM
i hope magnolia knows what it's getting into when they sign up bonbon.

AnthonyServinio
10-17-2006, 06:39 PM
i hope magnolia knows what it's getting into when they sign up bonbon.
Uhmmm . . . I think will notice a significant increase in their ice cream sales? ::)

5FootCarrot
10-18-2006, 07:49 AM
*envisions Magnolia coming out with new ice cream treats called Bonbon's Bonbons - vanilla on the inside, with EAC-padding-red candy coating* :P

Sam Miguel
10-24-2006, 08:44 PM
Bon Custodio and Jonas Villanueva will be the best backcourt in the PBL in the Silver Cup. Pong Escobal will make it the best guard rotation in the league.

Wang-Bu
10-26-2006, 03:51 PM
Bakit kaya walang ibang paliwanag si Ma'am Mateo ng UE kundi 'yung mga sinabi na niyang official statement ng UE ukol kay Bon Custodio? At kung totoong "team rules" ang binalewala ni Bonbon bakit hindi 'yung team mismo ang magsalita, kunwari si Dindo Pumaren bilang headcoach? Tila yata may mas malalim talagang mga pangyayari na ayaw isiwalat o ayaw ng banggitin pa ng mga kinauukulan mula sa aking Pamantasan ng Silangan. Mas masaya siguro nito si Bonbon na mismo ang makausap, kaya nga lang busy na daw at nag-eensayo na sa Magnolia. Nakapagtataka din na ni hindi yata ininda ng Magnolia na may mga bintang na hindi kanais-nais para sa isang manlalaro na kumapit kay Bonbon. Ang ibig kayang sabihin nito ay wala naman pala talagang kasalan si Bonbon?

oca
10-27-2006, 09:05 AM
Sa inner circles ng mga coaches, malalaman nila kung talagang may ginawang kahayupan si Custodio. Kung meron man o ano man yun ang tanong ko ngayon ay, "Bakit siya kinuha ni Banal?".

Hindi rin naman pwedeng na-draft si Custodio para gawing trade-bait, dahil kung may kahayupan nga, walang kakagat sa trade. At hindi naman siya inihain ng Magnolia sa trading block.

Kaya sa palagay ko ay walang mortal sin itong bata.

Naghanap lang talaga ng sisi ang UE sa pagkatalo nila sa USTe sa game 1 ng serye nila.

Wang-Bu
10-27-2006, 01:48 PM
Sigurado ako babawi si Bon sa PBL, lalo pa kapag may nanonood na isang coach diyan, pati mga utol na coach din. Matagal ko ng suspecha na wala naman talagang mabigat na kasalanan si Bon, nagkataon lang saksakan ng pagka-Santo ng ilang tao diyan.

shyboy
10-28-2006, 09:31 PM
Ano ba ang sabi ng ibang players ng UE tungkol dito?

Wang-Bu
10-30-2006, 03:30 PM
Walang gustong magsalita, pero wala din namang todong sang-ayon sa sinapit ni Bon. Ang tancha ko lang napagsabihan na sila na manahimik na lang at tutal hindi naman sila damay sa gulo. Kung totoong may matinding kasalanan ang isang player hindi na mag-iisip pa ang mga teammate niya, lalo siyang ibabaon. Pwera lang kung lahat pala sila sabit at si Bon lang ang nilaglag...

shyboy
10-30-2006, 08:05 PM
Pwede rin namang di na sila pinagsalita para di na lalong sumama ang pangalan ni Custodio. It's a way of giving him a chance to redeem himself.

bluewing
11-01-2006, 02:05 AM
palagay ko, hindi si custodio ang may problema kundi ang UE.

anything the pumarens touch turn to shit.

shyboy
11-02-2006, 04:10 PM
We'll see if Dindo still gets to sit at the UE bench next year.* Kung andyan pa siya, di sa kanya ang problema.* Di naman siguro aanga-anga ang UE management.* Kung totoo man yung mga kinakalat na tsismis against Dindo, alam na dapat nila yon at pinaimbestigahan.

ai_linn
11-17-2006, 03:47 PM
Now we all know that the rumors are not really true. As we all have seen Bonbon is now playing in the 2006 PBL Silver Cup. the issue that Bonbon was banned in PBA PBL is now finished. I'm glad i saw him in the opening of the said league.

BigBlue
11-17-2006, 04:03 PM
actually, ai_linn, with regard to the rumors not being true, we dont know that yet, since to this day, UE has not said anything official about the reasons behind Custodio's suspension.

about being banned in the PBA and the PBL, i dont think anyone (in this forum at least) has claimed such as fact.

techguy
11-17-2006, 09:23 PM
Actually here's an amusing twist to this ongoing issue, and I learned of this first-hand ...

I work in a BPO as one of the learning managers, and just last night during our regular assessment of agents in which we ask them to give a background of themselves, I met "Jomar"...

According to Jomar, he is a recent graduate of UE and was formerly a member of their developmental basketball team (otherwise more known as team b I believe) playing in one their guard positions. Anyhow, he mentioned that as of late, Dindo P has been inviting him to join their training and has short of assured him a spot on the UAAP team for next year.* So every now and then, Jomar attends practice and training whenever his schedule allows him; however, as much as he would want to have another shot in playing in the UAAP, he is not so sure if he's still eligible since technically he has already graduated...

So after a few more minutes of chit-chat, I casually asked him about this Custodio "scandal" if ever he was somehow in the know, and to my surprise (as I never expected to get a response) he actually said it was all true, in a very nonchalant manner.* Custodio allegedly accepted P120,000 to throw the final four games UE had with UST.* Moreover, those who facilitated the deal were actually high-profile ADMU supporters and possibly even members of the Eagles' management group.

When I heard this I was quite shocked, so as I pressed further as to how he knew about this, Jomar matter-of-factly replied, "Sabi sa amin ni Coach P."* I followed it up by asking him how this coach came to know such info, again Jomar simply said that the UE coaching staff and admin had a "thorough" investigation and all evidence they gathered led them to conclude that this is in fact what had transpired.* The reason according to the investigation? - These people from ADMU strongly believed that the Eagles will have it much easier playing against UST than UE.

Far-fetched? Maybe.
Am I making this up? Nope.

Still... Just a reminder, whatever you read above was simply what "Jomar" had told me. I can, at most in my professional capacity, only verify what he claims to be - but cannot or will not be able to verify what he had said (even if I had the means or really wanted to anyways).

pokpok
11-19-2006, 10:49 AM
Actually here's an amusing twist to this ongoing issue, and I learned of this first-hand ...

I work in a BPO as one of the learning managers, and just last night during our regular assessment of agents in which we ask them to give a background of themselves, I met "Jomar"...

According to Jomar, he is a recent graduate of UE and was formerly a member of their developmental basketball team (otherwise more known as team b I believe) playing in one their guard positions. Anyhow, he mentioned that as of late, Dindo P has been inviting him to join their training and has short of assured him a spot on the UAAP team for next year.* So every now and then, Jomar attends practice and training whenever his schedule allows him; however, as much as he would want to have another shot in playing in the UAAP, he is not so sure if he's still eligible since technically he has already graduated...

So after a few more minutes of chit-chat, I casually asked him about this Custodio "scandal" if ever he was somehow in the know, and to my surprise (as I never expected to get a response) he actually said it was all true, in a very nonchalant manner.* Custodio allegedly accepted P120,000 to throw the final four games UE had with UST.* Moreover, those who facilitated the deal were actually high-profile ADMU supporters and possibly even members of the Eagles' management group.

When I heard this I was quite shocked, so as I pressed further as to how he knew about this, Jomar matter-of-factly replied, "Sabi sa amin ni Coach P."* I followed it up by asking him how this coach came to know such info, again Jomar simply said that the UE coaching staff and admin had a "thorough" investigation and all evidence they gathered led them to conclude that this is in fact what had transpired.* The reason according to the investigation? - These people from ADMU strongly believed that the Eagles will have it much easier playing against UST than UE.

Far-fetched? Maybe.
Am I making this up? Nope.

Still... Just a reminder, whatever you read above was simply what "Jomar" had told me. I can, at most in my professional capacity, only verify what he claims to be - but cannot or will not be able to verify what he had said (even if I had the means or really wanted to anyways).


EXACTLY THE SAME THING ive HEARD!!!!

gfy
11-19-2006, 10:09 PM
I find the above hard to believe. Most Ateneo diehards I talked to wanted UE to be our opponent because UE's playing style the Blue Eagles are already accustomed to unlike UST's unpredictable style of playing where anybody can step up as shown during their last games leading to the semi-finals. The amount is also unbelievably low. Custodio could have gotten more from Binondo or he's so stupid to risk his future for only 120 thou.

cub
11-19-2006, 10:56 PM
haha.. ayaw ng admu kalaban ang ue, mas gusto uste. ayan, talo.. :)

Posterized
11-20-2006, 07:58 AM
Ang punto yata ni techguy ay nagsasabi ng isang haka-haka si Dindo na tinatanggap bilang katotohanan sa UE.

Pero kung naniniwala kayo edi bahala kayo. :)

mighty_lion
11-20-2006, 09:31 AM
If UE would want to clear things out, bakit hindi sila gumawa ng malalim na investigation just like La Salle did on ineligibility issue last year. Dalawa lang naman ang nakikita kong kahihinatnan nyan sa part ng UE, kung hindi si Custodio, si Pumaren. Bakit ka matatakot sa gumawa ng investigation and to clear things out in what was partially announced in the public, "Custodio not allowed to play Game 2 because of alledged game fixing." Whats the final say, bigla na lang sila nanahimik. Mahirap man intindihin para sa ating mga nakikibalita lang, at mahirap din lalong gumawa ng haka haka para sa maling conclusion. Hindi ba dapat involved din sa ganitong cases ang UAAP Board when it comes to investigation?

Sa ganitong sitwasyon hindi lang integrity ni Custodio, Pumaren & UE ang nakasasalay dito, kundi pati ang boung UAAP, kasama narin ang NCAA at iba pang liga. What action steps should UAAP Board take into action to prevent these instances is another relevant question. I think there should be.

Jeep
11-20-2006, 10:02 AM
it's been months since anyone last saw bonbon playing in a UAAP game. all this time, no word has come forth from either the UE admin or the UAAP bigwigs as to how l'affaire bonbon has turned out. all UE did was to say, officially, that bonbon was booted for not adhering to team rules, or disobeying team regulations or rules -- whatever that means. and precisely because no one knows what that means, i think the onus is on UE to explain to all and sundry just what exactly that means and what bonbon did exactly to merit that punishment. basta, ganoon na lang ang sinabi ng UE, at tinanggap naman ng lahat (i.e., the UAAP demi-gods) ang paliwanag na yun.

as a public institution, UAAP should encourage/cajole/coerce (take your pick) the UE admin into fully disclosing the details of this whole incident. it should stir up a $h!tstorm to get UE to talk about this to the public. kung totoo ngang may mga alumni mula sa ibang mga eskwelahan na sangkot dito, eh di ilantad na nila kung sino ang mga yun. dapat si bonbon mismo rin ang magsalita tungkol dito -- that is, if they really have the goods on these people. otherwise, it'll just be trial by publicity. they just better make sure that they have all the facts ready and that they all hang together well and fit tight.

kasi malinaw na hindi kikilos ang UE admin ng kusa nila. papel na ng UAAP na pukpukin ang UE kung para silang pkong hindi uunsad pag hindi hinataw. otherwise, this all merely confirms what everyone and his uncle have known all along: that the UAAP is just an old boys' club where everyone covers each other's @$$.

oca
11-20-2006, 10:24 AM
Para naman kayong bago sa UAAP....

UE is one of the more influential members of the league. The other members will not compel it to say something it doesn't want to.

Kayo na rin ang nagsabi....Old boys' club mentality and umiiral dyan.

Kaya walang magyayari.

oca
11-20-2006, 10:28 AM
Habang binabasa ko ang post ni techguy, I tried to keep an open mind. Maaring totoo, maaring hindi.

Pero nang binaggit ang halagang binayad...supposed to be, sabi ko sa sarili ko, isa na naman itong kwento-kwento.

Gaya ng sinabi ng nauna sa akin, napakababa ng halagang iyan. Kung gagawa ng kahayupan ang isang tulad ni Custodio, hindi naman siguro siya bobo para kumagat sa ganoong halaga lamang.

LION
11-20-2006, 01:55 PM
^^^ If it were true, it would have been the perfect opportunity for the Pumarens to get back at ADMU. But we heard nothing from them, and that makes the "revelation" suspect.

Also, I agree with Oca. The amount involved is peanuts.

Again, this is just a bystander's opinion.

bluebruiser90
11-20-2006, 03:07 PM
smoking mirrors...

bowtoBLUE
07-02-2007, 12:14 PM
Guess where all the Sto Domingo offertory money went to

atenean_blooded
07-02-2007, 01:09 PM
To repairing EAC's gym railing, which Custodio bit into?