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Hoops McCann
08-17-2006, 05:16 AM
as pro hoops fans, all of us have wondered how a certain player who's branded as a "can't miss" pro prospect back in college or in the semi-pro circuit underperforms and brings everybody down from the weight of failed expectations. at the same time, we kick ourselves in the bum when an unheralded amateur, one who even escapes the radar of other pro scouts, distinguishes himself from the pack and crafts an outstanding career complete with all-pro honors (whether all-NBA, -PBA, or all-whichever) and even stints with the national team.

so what do you think do some players have that others don't? luck? late-blooming skills? discuss it here.

LION
08-17-2006, 07:58 AM
Aside from the requisite skills, talent and attitude, anonymity for me is a big factor. A good example of this would be ex pros Freddie Abuda, Alvin Teng, the late Arnie Tuadles, Junthy (tama ba spelling?) Valenzuela, etc. Ang mga Visayan players are underestimated most of the time. In the college ranks you have Ryan Arana, Cholo Villanueva, Raymond Maggay, etc.

The opposition will naturally underestimate someone who is unheralded. The "sino-ba-itong-kumag-na-ito" syndrome. Until the unknown guy beats your team because he was under estimated, left free most of the time by the guy who belittled his skills.

Mel
08-17-2006, 08:51 AM
Connections and "good" looks w/c translates to a huge fan base play a major part...

...Ever wonder why Ginebra cannot trade Bal David despite him being ineffective and virtually
stealing money from the franchise for 4 straight years...

.. why is Artadi not in our national track team?

...Dudut?

...Paolo Mendoza, oh my god ...what happened to Anastacio Mendoza?

MonL
08-17-2006, 10:54 AM
That is why in pro hoops in the US, scouting is such an effort. It used to be that guys like Andrew Toney, Mo Cheeks, Mark Eaton and a host of other unheralded players who manage to carve a long and fruitful NBA career escaped majority of* scouts eyes, and would be fancied by a team only by sheer stroke of luck. Now a high school* or Juco game in some obcure town will have at least one scout watching from the sidelines. The most famous scout of them all is "Superscout" Marty Blake, now the NBA Director for Scouting.* Practically all NBA teams at one time sought his services. And thus scouting as we know it now came to the fore, and we even have bulletins of prospects aged 13 years old, their "Upsides" being evaluated for future pro careers that may turn out to be a jackpot or a mirage later on.

Here in our shores, the element of luck is still a factor in hunting for prospects, but this is slowly being diminished by nationwide scouting even at the high school level.

MonL
08-17-2006, 10:59 AM
Talented players are a dime a dozen nowadays, but teams look for players who will play within a team concept. We hear news all the time of playground players who would blow away many pros playing now, but are not strutting their wares as pros because they fail to adapt their game to what is required.

Na-"my way or highway" sila. :(

Sam Miguel
08-17-2006, 08:36 PM
A good agent. Ask Mac Cuan.

Wang-Bu
08-17-2006, 08:43 PM
Daig ng buenas ang magaling.

Sa mga nakilala kong dating bigman ng FEU wala ng natira sa aknila sa PBA: Mike Otto, Bryant Punzalan, Long David, Chris Nicdao, Rysal Castro, Marc Victoria. Ano na kayang nangyari sa mga ito?

Mga ilan pang bigman: saan na kaya sina Marlon Piodo, Banjo Calpito, Ruel Buenaventura...?

Walanjo, parang nadaan lang silang lahat sandlai sa PBA tapos biglang naglaho...

brian
08-22-2006, 06:17 PM
my opinion is, the league should add more teams, having ten all in all just wouldn't cut it...a lot of talents have just gone to waste without given the chance to really show what they can do..

players ought to be given the chance to play for only in this capacity could they take their game to another level..

maski magaling ka.. take wesley for example, for me, he could be a starter for any team in the pba kaya lang kumpol kumpol na sila eh...

kaya laking panghihinayang ang pgkawatak ng mba.

Wang-Bu
08-22-2006, 08:14 PM
Iba din talagang buenas. Tignan na lang natin ang naging career ni Ato Agustin, isang second round draft pick na naging MVP ng PBA at MBA. Bagama't masasabi nating matinding scorer at matapang maglaro si Agustin, sa totoo lang hindi naman natin masasabing "star" talaga siya. May halo ding buenas ang karera niya: nung ma-injure na naman si Samboy Lim saka naman lumabas ang laro ni Agustin. Nangailangan ng scorer nuon ang San Miguel sa pagkawala ni Lim, si Agustin ang pumuno. Kung titignan naman natin kung sa likas na galing lang walang-wala si Agustin kung ihahambing sa mga gaya nina Jojo Lastimosa at Bong Alvarez, pero bakit siya ang may MVP award?

Ganun din naman ang mga ibang tinaguriang matitinding player na parehong position ni Agustin na hindi naman gaano sumikat sa PBA gaya nina: Nap Hatton, Andy De Guzman, Jun Jabar, Jay Gayoso. Kung tutuusin dapat mas sumikat at nagtagal ang mga ito kung likas na galing lang ang pag-uusapan. Sa kanilang lahat si Agustin ang pinakamaliit, pinakamabagal, pinakamahinang tumalon. Pero si Agustin nag-MVP, habang naglaho lang ang iba.

Mel
08-28-2006, 02:28 PM
Yung mga tumatagal sa liga yung mga pogi at marunong makisama.

canmaker
08-29-2006, 11:43 AM
Malaking bagay din ang disiplina sa katawan ... Yung mga filams matitindi sa pageensayo (gym rats) at sa weight training ...

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Yung mga tumatagal sa liga yung mga pogi at marunong makisama.

Sam Miguel
08-31-2006, 08:43 PM
I still say it takes a good agent more than anything else.

Schortsanitis
09-12-2006, 03:45 PM
One big factor I think, is HEART.

We've seen players who have a lot of talent, but turned out to be disappointments in the pro leagues, because they didn't have the motivation, or fire to achieve things in their professional lives (cough, Marlou Aquino, cough).

Others, 'pag nasiko na, or nadibdiban', or maybe faced w/ tougher opposition just don't have the will to overcome the new obstacles.

Jump_Shooter
09-12-2006, 06:05 PM
I don't think there is any one single attribute that can be a sure ticket to the next level. In a way, all of you are right. You certainly need talent or height to begin with, but discipline and determination are also non-negotiable, IMHO. I agree that good representation is a big plus as well, but necessarily a must. Even though you have the best agent, he can't do too much if there are only so many jobs available.

christian
09-12-2006, 09:36 PM
Luck. ;)

Wang-Bu
10-26-2006, 06:27 PM
Ilan taon ding nagpalaki ng itlog sa PBA ang original higante na si EJ Feihl. Sa tangkad na 7'1" mahirap nga namang hindi siya umasenso sa larangan ng basketball. Pero lintek, ambagal na nga hindi pa marunong pumwesto. Nung nasa UAAP siya nilalamon siya ng isang ultimate softcore player na si Jun Limpot. Nung napunta na ng PBA ultimo isang Cris Bolado dinadakdakan siya ng harap-harapan. Si Feihl ang isang magandang halimbawa ng buenas na player, nagkataong 7-footer na nahilig ng konti sa laro, ayan, ok naman ang nahita.

Gimbal ako nung nagkukwentuhan minsan mga bandang 2000 o 2001 sa Dad's Glorietta ang ilang PBA coaches bago nung Draft nung hapon ding iyon. Ang pinag-uusapan nila magkanio daw ba dapat ang sweldo ni Feihl sa ire-renew na kontrata niya. Minimum ba naman daw P250,000 a month. Diyosme, para sa isang wala ng alam gawin sa laro kundi tumayo, tumingkayad ng konti at magpasupalpal sa mga mas maliliit na sentro.

joelex
12-19-2006, 04:41 PM
wang-bu, kailan lang nakita kong dinakdakan ng harap harapan si feihl..galing sa dating taga NU na si howard flor. haha! solid talaga. PICAA ata yung ligang iyun.

chocoks77
01-20-2007, 09:18 AM
Guys, a look at Michael Jordan's 2 kids both playing for Loyola Academy.

Heir Jordans

By Sean Deveney - SportingNews

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Av5HDPfANq_6SZmO20Ha_bO8vLYF?slug=heirjo rdans&prov=tsn&type=lgns

muddatrucker
01-22-2007, 06:32 PM
Guys, a look at Michael Jordan's 2 kids both playing for Loyola Academy.

Heir Jordans

By Sean Deveney - SportingNews

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Av5HDPfANq_6SZmO20Ha_bO8vLYF?slug=heirjo rdans&prov=tsn&type=lgns



If for some reason they don't play in the US NCAA, there's a Loyola here in the Philippines that I'm sure will welcome them. ;D

Sam Miguel
08-14-2007, 11:30 AM
Guys, a look at Michael Jordan's 2 kids both playing for Loyola Academy.

Heir Jordans

By Sean Deveney - SportingNews

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Av5HDPfANq_6SZmO20Ha_bO8vLYF?slug=heirjo rdans&prov=tsn&type=lgns




I wonder how these two boys are doing...