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Mateen Cleaves
07-21-2006, 01:52 PM
actually, the weak link in UE is their guards. believe it or not.



yup. i'm so glad you think so too. akala ko ako lang ang nakapansin...


Background: This started on the Blue Eagle's "Macky Escalona" Thread. Somebody posted that Custodio, et. al. were superior to Escalona, blah blah blah. So these were the comments that followed that statement. Parang mas bagay na dito pag-usapan.

Perhaps Kid Cubao can elaborate?

Kid Cubao
07-21-2006, 02:12 PM
hereby reposted:

simple lang yan, mateen: marcy and bonbon are only good when they score. if they're off, they hurt their team more. lagabala is poor in picking apart defenses. the best guard they have is jorel canizares, but unfortunately he doesn't get enough playing time to be the effective 2-way guard that he really is.

bluewing
07-21-2006, 02:27 PM
plus arellano is inconsistent at walang depensa. pati na rin si custodio. sure, he may be leading the team in points in their first 2 games, pero that's about it. he also leads the team in TO's. bonbon also has the tendency to be peychologically beaten as what LA did last year when he shut out custodio. depensahan lang nang maayos at maaga tong dalawang to, hirap na yan.

it will be espiritu and borboran carrying this team all season.

Kid Cubao
07-21-2006, 02:33 PM
especially espiritu. he's a workhorse. great rebounder and shotblocker.

A-boy97
07-21-2006, 02:44 PM
pati na rin si custodio. sure, he may be leading the team in points in their first 2 games, pero that's about it. he also leads the team in TO's. bonbon also has the tendency to be peychologically beaten as what LA did last year when he shut out custodio. depensahan lang nang maayos at maaga tong dalawang to, hirap na yan.

it will be espiritu and borboran carrying this team all season.


guys, we tend to forget something. Last year year, we had japeth and LA. bon-bon's offensive prowess is anchored on his slashes on pop plays. sa presence ni japeth last year, sira na diskarte dito ni bonbon. sa mga pop plays and jumpers niya, LA was quick enough to follow him. plus, alam ni bonbon magaling talaga si LA! ;D

nakakalaro kasi ng neighbor ko itong si bonbon and sabi niya, medyo kabado talaga to pag alam niyang may pangalan na kalaban niya!

anyway, sana nga bon-bon continues to play bad pag ateneo kalaban.... ;D

pio_valenz
07-21-2006, 03:09 PM
If we're talking about UE guards, then James Martinez needs to be mentioned as well. Methinks he is just as underrated as Canizares.

Cubao, regarding your take on how Macky would measure up to Custodio, Arellano, et al, I do think you're selling Custodio a bit short here. To my mind, he's perhaps the most athletic offguard in the UAAP. The one thing I've noticed about Custodio this year is that he's taking the ball more to the hole and getting fouls.

UE does have awekaness at the guard position - the POINT guard position to be precise, since Labagala will never be confused with Paul Artadi.

Mateen Cleaves
07-21-2006, 03:33 PM
^Perhaps. But Labagala isn't too shabby either.

Parang kinompare mo lang si Macky kay LA. :p

Kid Cubao
07-21-2006, 03:35 PM
yes, there's no doubt about bonbon's skills and athleticism. but like i said, when he's off, he's a big liability because of his one-dimensional game.

james martinez, ah yes, he's one UE warrior we've overlooked in the discussion. let's see, he had a great game against UST, di ba? great pedigree, galing beda. sige, let's include him in the underrated category.

Mateen Cleaves
07-21-2006, 04:17 PM
But more than the individual assessments of the players, what I found intriguing was the fact that you referred to UE's guards collectively. As in "the weak link in UE is their guardS".

That's Labagala, Custodio, Arellano, Martinez, Canizares. Which team's guard corps would you take over those 5?

Lucas Palaka
07-21-2006, 09:07 PM
i can see where kid cubao is getting at. the way i see it, the UE guard corps (as a collection of individual talent) is perhaps the best in the league right now. no one can argue that a guard lineup composed of those fine players is a coach's dream come true. however, there are instances--and there are many--in which those supposedly dynamite guards perform below expectations against certain teams and against certain opponents. and i wholeheartedly agree with kid cubao's underlying message that based on last season's head to head matchups between ATENEO AND UE, this group of guards failed to lift the warriors against the blue eagles. now i don't know the case between UE and mateen's team the UP maroons, but i wouldn't be surprised if last year UP failed to win a single game against them. in short, there are certain teams that UE owns, but based on the won-loss record dating back to the time of former UE coach boysie zamar, we in ateneo own UE.

Mateen Cleaves
07-21-2006, 10:07 PM
Why would you argue based on last season? We're discussing UE's team THIS year. See, based on the past couple of years, everybody would say that La Salle owns Ateneo. That's a fact. Painful, but true. But is it relevant? Not this year.

More than any other group, the Macky Escalona fans should be able to grasp the concept of improvement from year-to-year, shouldn't they?

bluewing
07-21-2006, 11:35 PM
Why would you argue based on last season? We're discussing UE's team THIS year. See, based on the past couple of years, everybody would say that La Salle owns Ateneo. That's a fact. Painful, but true. But is it relevant? Not this year.

More than any other group, the Macky Escalona fans should be able to grasp the concept of improvement from year-to-year, shouldn't they?


the past seasons are being brought up precisely because they are relevant THIS YEAR.

think about it: lasal has owned our team for two seasons. last year, some of our players admitted on air that when they play lasal, name-mental block sila. kumbaga, psychologically, just thinking about their past encounters is enough para kabugin sila. dun pa lang, may edge na yung lasal. the losses and their effects are carried over to the next meeting. it's up to you na how you'll take it. will it break you or motivate you? obviously, it broke our team last year.

in this case, i believe UE is in that same position. we've beaten them thrice (?) last season. those were pretty heartbreaking losses.

Kid Cubao
07-22-2006, 05:58 AM
if you will not argue on the basis of last season's outcome, then OK, there's no guard lineup better than that of UE's. but as lucas palaka pointed out, a collection of individual talent does not necessarily lead to a cohesive unit playing and defending as one under certain conditions (especially against certain teams).

what ateneo has been able to successfully do against UE's guards is to take them out of their natural element by forcing them out of their usual game. UE guards live and die with their zone press, and if you make them pay with successful baskets on the other end, their confidence takes a great beating. mahirap ipaliwanag pero may daga ang UE guards pag inunahan mo ng gulat, at tuwing dinadaga ang mga yan, nahihirapan silang bumawi. kontra-pelo na halos ang nangyayari, which ateneo has been able to exploit to their advantage. of course, it helped that ateneo still had LA tenorio last season, but last summer's FMC matchup showed this to be the case still.

pio_valenz
07-22-2006, 02:14 PM
Cubao, if you're gonna use last summer's FMC as a gauge, uhmmm, didn't UE beat Ateneo in the semis on their way to winning the title? Yes, Ateneo beat UE in the elims, but UE beat Ateneo when it mattered more (the semis).

There is no doubting that Ateneo was better than UE in their head-to-head match-ups last year, and a lot of it had to do with guard play, but it's not an accurate indicator for how things will unfold this year. Last year Ateneo still had veterans like Tenorio and Membrere, while on the other side, I'd like to think that Custodio, Arellano and Canizares are better than they were last year. Of course, Escalona and Escueta have also improved, but overall, Ateneo lost more in the backcourt than UE did (UE's only noteworthy guard loss was Saguindel).

oca
07-22-2006, 06:56 PM
Pumaren developed that deep rotation in the guard position because he wants his team to press and harras the opposition at the backcourt for full 40 minutes. Delay their set up and make them hurry their shots. Force turnovers... The emphasis is on defense.

They score a lot in transition. You don't need much individual offensive prowess to score in transition. That's mostly lay-ups and short jumpers. How much proficiency does one need to score in that manner? Observe their big men, even they run a lot off opponents' turnovers.

Kung ano man ang kakulangan ng guards sa offensive skills, it is immaterial to Dindo. The fact that there are so many guards he can field in combinations, match ups are even irrelevant.

UE will run down opponents with their speed and hustle. For as long as the deep guard rotation is intact - no foul trouble, no injuries- then they are in their element.

Now, how many guards should we take away from that rotation to cripple UE ? Take note, I am not asking WHO. Just HOW MANY...

tambay_sa_recto
07-22-2006, 10:12 PM
Ang galing naman talaga ng mga taga Katipunan, Quezon City. Nangapitbahay pa para pag-usapan lang ang UE. Porke't wala man lamang taong-bahay dito. Humingi na lang kayo ng paumanhin sa may-ari kapag pareho na kayong tinalo.

AnthonyServinio
07-23-2006, 11:50 PM
They should have put Paul Christian Zamar on the Warriors' roster this year! :-\

arhtmahn
07-25-2006, 01:59 AM
UE arguably has the most prolific backcourt in the UAAP today. However, like most teams that rely heavily on guard-oriented plays they know that it is a double-edged sword that cuts both ways. In their loss to UST, Arellano scored 21 points, and Custodio 17, but he also had 10 turnovers. Nobody expects UE to alter its championship-winning formula, but what is clearly one of its strongest suits can, at times, be its weakest link.

kryptonite
07-26-2006, 06:46 AM
I think UE thrives on their deep guard core. If they play bad then so goes UE's fortunes. The Red Warriors are patterned after the Green Archers of Franz Pumaren simply because Dindo and Franz are guards in their heydays in the PBA. They rely on the full court press, trap defense and zone defense to offset their weak frontline.

Some of the teams in the UAAP were quite successful against DLSU in the past. A great ballhandler will do the trick. Like UE's Paul Artadi, UST's Dale Singson, Ateneo's Rich Alvarez and LA Tenorio, even NU's Froilan Baguion was quite successful in beating the La Salle pressing defense.

Ateneo's difficulty against UE's press could be attributed to the inexperience of Macky Escalona, Jai Reyes and Eric Salamat.

Sam Miguel
08-01-2006, 04:52 PM
I would like to be clarified on something: UE's guards are the weak link compared to what... their frontline? If we look at UE's lineup they are pretty solid across the board. Elmer Espiritu, Mark Borboran and newcomers Jun Briones and Hans Thiele are superior athletes with a lot of basketball talent. Marcy Arellano, Bon Custodio, Jorel Cainizares, James Martinez are all superb players. Coach Dindo Pumaren and his main assistant Gido Babilonia have done a wonderful job turning a bunch of streetballers into a consistent enough team to win the HAIL and put Ateneo away in the FMC Summer league. Even given the Ateneo victory over UE last weekend, I still cannot fully convinve myself that there is anything weak about UE as a team. Sure they'll make knucklehead plays from time to time, but that is just a nit to pick in the overall reality: UE is one heck of a team now.

If anything I believe the real missing link thus far has been Marcy Arellano. He seems to have lost a step or two and doesn't seem to be the same dynamic player that won the ROY and has more than held his own against veteran PBL guards. Custodio will always get his points, Cainizares will always be a good ace up the sleeve, even Lagabala can be counted on to at least advance the ball, but Arellano seems to have lost something. THAT perhaps is what is missing in the UE backcourt now.

arhtmahn
08-02-2006, 12:29 AM
Marcy “Choker” Arellano, you are the weakest link. Goodbye.

Robert “Cry Baby” Labagala, your game had a deliberately foul stink. Tawas lang ang katapat niyan.

James “Wannabe” Martinez, we know that it hurts when you think. Eat more brain food.

Congratulations Bonbon “Mad Dog” Custodio, you are the strongest link. Kaso talo… na naman.

Kid Cubao
08-02-2006, 06:59 AM
a system is made up of components, sam miguel, and in each component, you try to put the right people. that's why coaches say their system is based on the players they have. well, in dindo's system, the guards play a variety of key roles in offense and defense. in short, they're supposed to be doing a little of this and that, and they're supposed to be competent in those little things.

what's been exposed, though, is that they're really not as versatile as dindo would have wanted. some have no clue what else to do if they can't score, while others are just plain deficient in other aspects of guard play like reading defenses, shot clock management, and keeping the ballhandler in front of him in single coverage. and that's what's been holding them back from rising to championship level since the current crew came on board.

so in reply to your query, they are the weak link as far as dindo's present system is concerned. if they can address their weaknesses and achieve what the coach set them out to do, they are ripe to separate themselves from the competition. as it is, they're 3-2.

gameface_one
08-02-2006, 08:51 AM
Marcy “Choker” Arellano, you are the weakest link.* Goodbye.

Robert “Cry Baby” Labagala, your game had a deliberately foul stink.* Tawas lang ang katapat niyan.

James “Wannabe” Martinez, we know that it hurts when you think.* Eat more brain food.

Congratulations Bonbon “Mad Dog” Custodio, you are the strongest link.* Kaso talo… na naman.





Hey arhtmahn. foul on this. Pls be reminded that this is the Warriors' Camp. Easy lang sa post.

bigfreeze_bibby
08-14-2006, 03:38 PM
the past seasons are being brought up precisely because they are relevant THIS YEAR.

think about it: lasal has owned our team for two seasons. last year, some of our players admitted on air that when they play lasal, name-mental block sila. kumbaga, psychologically, just thinking about their past encounters is enough para kabugin sila. dun pa lang, may edge na yung lasal. the losses and their effects are carried over to the next meeting. it's up to you na how you'll take it. will it break you or motivate you? obviously, it broke our team last year.

in this case, i believe UE is in that same position. we've beaten them thrice (?) last season. those were pretty heartbreaking losses.


Maybe UE still has the ill effects of that Gec Chia shot back in 2002?

Wang-Bu
08-22-2006, 04:18 PM
Maiba lang ng konti, yaman rin lang at "weak link" ang tingin sa mga gwardiya ng UE.

Si Rob Labagala ay muntik ng mag-Dean's List at siya's nasa BS Accountancy ng UE, isa sa mga pinakamatinding accounting program sa bansa.

Si Bon Custodio ay nagmakaawa sa isang Prof niya na pakunin siya ng special exam nitong huli para naman maiangat ang grade niya at hindi siya kuntento sa Dos lang.

Alam kong baka hindi maniwala 'yung mga saksakan ng lakas manlait na ibang tao diyan, lalo na 'yung mga dinadaan sa white board ang pag-alipusta sa kapwa dahil hindi naman kayang daanin sa suntukan at duguin ang mga ilong. Pero nakita ko mismo ang mga ito na pumapasok sa klase at nakausap ko pa mga Prof nila.

easter
08-22-2006, 05:56 PM
^Pareng Wang_Bu napakagandang balita niyan. Laging masarap pakinggan ang balita kapag naririnig mo na ang isang estudyante, athlete man o hindi na nagsusumikap mag-aral.

Wang-Bu
08-22-2006, 08:55 PM
Nalimutan kong banggitin na sina James Martinez at Jorel Cainizares nga din pala ay mga ulirang mag-aaral na masipag pumasok at may personal pride kaya tinataguyod ng husto ang kanilang mga marka sa klase.

Wang-Bu
10-16-2006, 04:52 PM
Grabeng nilalaro ng mga gwardiya ngayon ng UE sa CCL. Mukhang nagkalimutan na ang kanilang pagiging "weak link" ng Warriors. Si James Martinez mukhang unti-unti ng natututong mag-pointguard, at umaariba din ang kanyang outside shooting. Mukhang may pantapat na ang UE sa Jai Reyes ng Ateneo, at mas maganda pang pangangatawan ni Martinez kaysa kay Reyes. Magandang banggaan ito next season sa UAAP kung sakali.

Joescoundrel
10-20-2006, 08:56 PM
UE faces a familiar foe in the hardcore tournaments when they square off against NCAA Champion San Beda in the Collegiate Champion's League Finals tentatively set for this Sunday 22 October.

UE's guards will once again be in the spotlight against the formidable backcourt of the Red Lions. Marcy Arellano, Rob Labagala, former Red Cubs star James Martinez, Jorel Canizares and Toto Bandaying will find the going tough against Pong Escobal, Alex Angeles, Kevin Espinosa, Myka Evangelista, Bam Gamalinda and Ogie Menor. Escobal will be the biggest concern for Coach Dindo Pumaren - no one on his team directly matches up well against Escobal's unique combination of size, scoring and underrated athleticism at the 1 and 2 spots. Escobal is bigger than any of the fulltime pointguards of UE and presents a colossal matchup problem. Arellano may have to sacrifice some of his scoring to focus on trying to contain Escobal. UE may have to use tall backcourt combinations and thus lose some speed to stay with the San Beda guards.

In the frontline UE will have to contend with new NCAA demigod Sam "Lion King" Ekwe. No one on the UE frontline can guard him one on one, but then again the tall and athletic UE frontline plays the best defense in the shaded lane in the college game. Mark Borboran, Elmer Espiritu, Kelvin Gregorio, Hans Thiele, Barry Llagas and Lou Briones have size, strength and speed, and can play at least two positions each, making them versatile frontcourt players who can afford to gamble and recover. Borboran and Espiritu have range out to the three-point range, something Ekwe and his frontcourt mates never had to deal with in the NCAA. Yousif Al Jammal, Martin Antonio, Bong Maggay and Toto Taupa may find themselves guarding the do-it-all Borboran and Espiritu all the way out in the perimeter, messing up their zone looks.

San Beda will definitely go to its strengths: dynamic guard play, the strong interior presence of Ekwe and Al Jammal, and the various looks on defense that are a Koy Banal trademark.

For UE its run-run-run as Coach Dindo Pumaren looks to engage the Red Lions in a sprinting contest where his off-season track stars like Canizares and Espiritu have an advantage.

It'll be a close call but it looks like San Beda will close this one out by at least eight points, exacting revenge on the Warriors for the last HAIL Finals.

And guess what: No Bon Custodio.

LION
10-23-2006, 07:58 AM
Yesterday, a guard of UE, James Martinez, was the strongest link. He killed the Red Lions with his long 3 pointers. Medyo bawasan lang ang yabang. Hindi maganda na ganun kayabang ang player lalu na kung hindi pa naman ganun kagaling talaga.

Congrats to UE for winning the CCL!

MonL
10-23-2006, 09:54 AM
Yesterday, a guard of UE, James Martinez, was the strongest link. He killed the Red Lions with his long 3 pointers.* Medyo bawasan lang ang yabang. Hindi maganda na ganun kayabang ang player lalu na kung hindi pa naman ganun kagaling talaga.

Congrats to UE for winning the CCL!


Those were shots you wouldn't make on a good day against a good opponent. But James had an extraordinary afternoon. Bandaying was such a torrid shooter in UE's past games in the CCL that we had to put our arguably best backcourt defender Micah Evangelista as the wet blanket against him but he was a good decoy for the other UE guards. Watch for this guy in Season 70. Deep ang guard corps ng UE, with Arellano, Martinez and him around.

bchoter
10-23-2006, 09:50 PM
Yesterday, a guard of UE, James Martinez, was the strongest link. He killed the Red Lions with his long 3 pointers.* Medyo bawasan lang ang yabang. Hindi maganda na ganun kayabang ang player lalu na kung hindi pa naman ganun kagaling talaga.

Congrats to UE for winning the CCL!


Those were shots you wouldn't make on a good day against a good opponent. But James had an extraordinary afternoon. Bandaying was such a torrid shooter in UE's past games in the CCL that we had to put our arguably best backcourt defender Micah Evangelista as the wet blanket against him but he was a good decoy for the other UE guards. Watch for this guy in Season 70. Deep ang guard corps ng UE, with Arellano, Martinez and him around.
UST got a taste of Martinez' hot hands in the second half encounter between the Tigers and the Warriors. The Tigers were making a game of it even minus its 2 tops wingmen Duncil and Espiritu... until Martinez got hot and Borboran strung up a string of points. And then UE's press clicked. Looks like that was the case in the CCL Finals. I think Bandaying is underrated. I thought he deserved more playing time in the 1 and 2. I always feared this guy for his outside shooting and tough defense.

During the Nike Summer League I was irked by how Martinez treated the SSC Cavite players. He was clearly looking down at them. He was picking fights even against much taller players who just shrugged him off. This kid has upside but I will find it hard to like him

Sam Miguel
10-24-2006, 06:44 PM
What the hell happened to James Martinez? He was such an upstanding kid under Ato Badolato and now he's turned into an 18-karat d---head with UE. What is it with the Pumarens? They have a knack for turning ordinary players into good ones, and good players into stars, and along the way transforming them into, well, Joseph Yeo...

christian
10-24-2006, 11:04 PM
Huh? Baka bitter pa si Martinez dahil hindi sya masyado hinabol ng SBC... I like the way he plays pa naman.
Lumaki na ulo?

LION
10-25-2006, 07:49 AM
Huh? Baka bitter pa si Martinez dahil hindi sya masyado hinabol ng SBC... I like the way he plays pa naman.
Lumaki na ulo?


I didn't like the way he taunted the SBC crowd, Christian. What did we do? Wala ngang jeering na nangyari nung finals. Puro cheering lang dahil it was some sort of a friendly game. Then, when he started hitting those long 3's, he taunted the SBC crowd and, allegedly, Pong Escobal. Wala ngang nakapag react sa SBC crowd dahil lahat nagulat sa ginawa niya.

What the f...k? Was he trying to impress his coach?

Being a former Red Cub, he will be given a leeway by the Bedans. Pero pag inulit niya ulit, maraming Bedista ang naghahanap ng kapalit ni Gabby Espinas.

oca
10-25-2006, 09:17 AM
On James Martinez.

Ugali niya talaga yun. Kahit nuong Red Cub pa yan. Nataon lang na hindi pinalalagpas ni Badolato ang ganoong asal, kaya tahimik lang siya nuong panahon na yun.

Nagulat pa ako nang hindi pumalag ang taga-Mendiola.

Pero kung iisipin mo, paano nga naman nila gagantihan ang kapwa nila Bedista?

James, huwag mong kalimutan ang pinagmulan mo. Alisin mo rin yung pagyayabang mo sa mga katapat mong player. Sa liit mong yan, napakaliit ng tsansa mong umakyat sa PBA. Swerte mo kung magkaroon ka ng mahabang career pagkatapos ng paglalaro mo sa UAAP. Baka yang mga niyayabangan mo, balang araw ay pinapanuod mo sa TV, habang ikaw ay naroon sa bahay at nagmimiron.

Mag-ispi-isip ka, kid.

christian
10-25-2006, 02:14 PM
It's just sad to see/hear bedans acting like that, i look forward to seeing bednas like yuri, ford, ronnie, jeff, magnum, jeff de guzman, jonas and the rest to sing the bedan hymn every after game, james martinez? oh well, he's picking on the wrong side. Good luck to him.

LION
10-25-2006, 03:04 PM
^^^ It's not the singing of the Bedan hymn really. Ang babaw naman natin kung pati yun e gagawin nating big deal.* If he doesn't sing the Bedan Hymn, walang problema. I don't care. Iba na ang pinapasukan niyang paaralan and it will not be fair to him if we expect him to sing our school hymn.* *Hindi lang naman siya ang ex Red Cub na hindi kumakanta eh and we don't give a hoot.

What bothered me really was his demeanor - his taunting the Bedan crowd. This is the first time na ginawa yan ng isang dating Red Cub. Yun ngang talagang magagaling na ex Red Cubs gaya nina Ritualo, JV Casio, Tenorio at Jonas Villanueva e hindi ganyan umasta. And to think that there was no reason for Martinez to do that. Retaliation? Nah, wala ngang jeering from both sides eh.

We even gave a standing ovation to the UE Warriors after the game notwithstanding that Martinez incident.

Oh well. This will be my last post regarding the matter para hindi na humaba pa.

Again, congratulations to the UE Warriors for winning the CCL, and to James Martinez for bagging the Finals MVP award.* * *;)

Joescoundrel
10-25-2006, 07:05 PM
James Martinez welcome to celebrity status. You've just become the new lightning rod for UAAP fans next season. I can hardly wait to get a game in against you and the Warriors.

To our friends from San Beda, can you give me directions to this boy's house...?

LION
10-26-2006, 07:22 AM
Kahit ibitin mo kami ng patiwarik pareng Joe, hindi namin ibibigay. ;D

Wang-Bu
10-26-2006, 06:37 PM
Nagpapatuchada na naman ang mga walang kayabang-yabang sa katawan na mga Atenista...

arhtmahn
10-27-2006, 06:09 AM
James "the babyfaced assassin" Martinez is the real deal. He stepped up bigtime when it mattered most, during the championship game of the CCL, the most prestigious tournament in the country where the winner can rightfully claim to be the best collegiate team in the Philippines. The UAAP was just a warm-up to this, the most coveted title in the land. Martinez was adjudged the Finals MVP, gallantly leading his team to another trophy to add to their already very impressive collection, which includes the HAIL and FMC Summer League hardware.

The UE Warriors are now within reach of the unprecedented Quadruple Crown with the upcoming Homegrown Cup about to commence this November. They have the momentum and other teams will be hardpressed to thwart their history-making run. The only thing that can derail them at this point is the distraction this superstardom brings. I am sure that I am not the only one who is concerned that all the impending appearances on TV sitcoms, game shows and talk shows, as well as endorsement megadeals may blunt this team's desire to fulfill their glorious destiny. But I am also confident that if any coach can keep them focused, it's Derrick Dindo Pumaren.

Sam Miguel
01-15-2007, 03:40 PM
James Martinez scored 25 points including five three-pointers in the fourth quarter to rallye his Red Warriors over the Ateneo Blue Eagles in the Home and Away Invitational League opening weekend last Saturday at the Blue Eagle Gym.

Martinez, hardly used in the first half, came to life in the payoff period to spark a Warriors comeback in the Eagles's homecourt. Up 71-65 on a putback by Nonoy Baclao off a missed Jobe Nkemakolam freethrow in the last two minutes, UE leaned on the hot shooting of Martinez from way downtown to get the upset. UE played sans their entire starting 5 from the last UAAP Season, all of them seeing action in the ongoing PBL Silver Cup.

This is a continuation of the hot shooting of Martinez from the recently concluded Homegrown Cup. By all indications, it looks like James Martinez has arrived as a legit collegiate superstar.

LION
04-17-2007, 04:07 PM
Kahit ibitin mo kami ng patiwarik pareng Joe, hindi namin ibibigay.* ;D


Di namin ibibigay dahil baka unahan mo pa kami. ;)

oca
04-17-2007, 05:13 PM
Kahit ibitin mo kami ng patiwarik pareng Joe, hindi namin ibibigay.* ;D


Di namin ibibigay dahil baka unahan mo pa kami.* * ;)


Oct 26 pa yang quoted mong post.... ???

Mukhang di ordinaryong incidente ang naganap nuong Sabado, ah!*Para que balikan ang usaping ito. ;D

LION
04-17-2007, 05:15 PM
:-X ;)

MonL
04-17-2007, 10:42 PM
On James Martinez.

Ugali niya talaga yun. Kahit nuong Red Cub pa yan. Nataon lang na hindi pinalalagpas ni Badolato ang ganoong asal, kaya tahimik lang siya nuong panahon na yun.

Nagulat pa ako nang hindi pumalag ang taga-Mendiola.

Pero kung iisipin mo, paano nga naman nila gagantihan ang kapwa nila Bedista?

James, huwag mong kalimutan ang pinagmulan mo. Alisin mo rin yung pagyayabang mo sa mga katapat mong player. Sa liit mong yan, napakaliit ng tsansa mong umakyat sa PBA. Swerte mo kung magkaroon ka ng mahabang career pagkatapos ng paglalaro mo sa UAAP. Baka yang mga niyayabangan mo, balang araw ay pinapanuod mo sa TV, habang ikaw ay naroon sa bahay at nagmimiron.

Mag-ispi-isip ka, kid.





Mukhang di ordinaryong incidente ang naganap nuong Sabado, ah! Para que balikan ang usaping ito. ;D

Sapagkat naulit ito na parang masamang rerun, pareng oca. Sa dati pa niyang tahanan.*Sa larong wala namang nakataya na ginanap sa isang ordinaryong sabado ng umaga. Di na nakakatuwa. Ladlarang kabastusan na. Kaya ngayon, may napunong bedistang pumalag tuloy.* * >:(

oca
04-18-2007, 09:02 AM
Paano pag nagkita uli ang UE at San Beda dito sa mga pasisimulang summer leagues?

If that meeting should happen-- regardless of what venue - unless Martinez taunts the Bedan gallery like what he did in the CCL, those outside the playing area has no business "interacting" with the players. The same with the players, during games they have no business "interacting" with the people at the stands.

Kung ano man ang gagawin ni Martinez at ito ay sa pagitan lamang ng kapwa niya player, ang mga nanonood ay walang pakialam.

Kahit di nyo gusto ang asta ng bata, hindi mananakit yan ng kapwa player. Salita lang ibabato niyan, liban sa 3-pointer. ;D

Kung nabastos ang mga Bedista dahil naganap iyon sa bahay nila, baka feeling at home pa rin lang ang ex-Red Cub.* ;D ;D ;D

Pero ulitin ko, malinaw ang guhit na puti that marks the boundaries of the playing area.

Do not forget at what side of the boundary you are.

Kid Cubao
04-18-2007, 09:34 AM
sablay talaga ang ugali ng batang yan, kaya huwag nyo na lang patulan.

MonL
04-18-2007, 09:38 AM
If that meeting should happen-- regardless of what venue - unless Martinez taunts the Bedan gallery like what he did in the CCL, those outside the playing area has no business "interacting" with the players. The same with the players, during games they have no business "interacting" with the people at the stands.
Pero ulitin ko, malinaw ang guhit na puti that marks the boundaries of the playing area.

Do not forget at what side of the boundary you are.


And for his sake, pareng oca, I hope he remembers that too.

There is more to this after the game, but I am not at liberty to divulge these. Suffice to say, the gallery will be very composed later on. But restraint is not a sign of eternal tolerance, hence the caveat for James not to misread events.

LION
04-18-2007, 10:01 AM
Pareng Oca,

It was Martinez who initiated the interaction with those who were outside the playing area.* Di lang siya pinapansin nung una.* He was acting like a bloke.* Those who watched the game were pissed off with the actuations of Martinez.*

The parents of Martinez who were there didn't even bother to stop the punk from doing his antics. People were waiting for Dindo Pumaren or anyone from UE to admonish or stop Martinez* but no such thing happened.

Until 2 Bedans decided to really make it, if I may use your description,* an interaction.

The interaction yielded positive results because Martinez who was obviously affected by the interaction stopped his antics.* And he left the court even before the game ended.* Dindo apparently told him to leave the venue early.

The interaction was instigated by Martinez.* *There must be a corresponding reaction to make it an interaction. And Martinez simply got what he deserved.

Pano pag nagkita ulit ang San Beda at UE?* It's not about San Beda and UE. It's about the Bedans and Martinez. Just like the Bedans* against Espinas last season.* My answer to your question - It's all up to James Martinez, and perhaps Dindo Pumaren (he should teach his players the concept of sportsmanship).* * *;)

One last note. Although James' idiocy knows no boundaries, we will respect the white lines that separate us from the players.*Anyway, may swimming pool naman eh.* * *;D

oca
04-18-2007, 10:28 AM
Pero alam niyo, naghihintay lang ako upakan yan ng kapwa niya player. ;D ;D ;D

May ugali talaga yan. It is his defense mechanism na unang maghamon. Pang-gulat, kumbaga. At alam niya kasing may aawat. Sana sa susunod walang umawat. Yang liit niyang yan, ewan ko lang ;D ;D ;D

Pero ganon pa man...what's between players, be between players.

Pero pag i-nangasan ang gallery...sang-ayon ako, ibang usapan na yan! >:( >:( >:( >:(

bchoter
04-18-2007, 05:53 PM
Pareng oca, that punk first got my goat in last year's championship game of the nike summer league when he was acting up against the players of the lesser known SSC-Cavite. Kung makaasta akala mo kaya niya sa suntukan ang mga mas malalaki sa kanya. Sa sobrang di ako nakapag pigil, habang inaangasan niya ang kalaban niya na obvious na di sya pinapatulan, napa sigaw ako ng "p___ng i__ mo maglaro ka nga lang... mamaya patulan ka niyan!". Buti nalang nasa SSC gallery ako.

Sana umasta rin ito labas sa Ateneo this off season ng maranasan nya ang katulad ng pagmamahal ng mga hecklers dati kay Bonbon at Espiritu. At katulad ng pagmamahal nila Joe and co. kay Nonoy Crisostomo noong nakaraang dumayo ang UST sa Katipunan.

lekiboy
04-18-2007, 06:40 PM
Until 2 Bedans decided to really make it, if I may use your description,* an interaction.

The interaction yielded positive results because Martinez who was obviously affected by the interaction stopped his antics.* And he left the court even before the game ended.* Dindo apparently told him to leave the venue early.



may bubwit na nagsabi sa akin kung sino yung dalawang bedista na yun----tsk tsk....
eto yung ayaw mong maka-asaran sa laro at baka bumalik ang dating cage wars.....

eto lang masasabi ko kay james martinez- grow up, kid!

lekiboy
04-18-2007, 06:56 PM
Pero alam niyo, naghihintay lang ako upakan yan ng kapwa niya player. ;D ;D ;D



huwag na huwag nya lang aasarin si chris taupa.... ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2nTIju_ECc

paolo
04-19-2007, 02:54 PM
8) to oca: Just talked to james after the game! why not ask pong e. what happened!

Not That I want to defend the guy! He will remain a former Bedan kahit ano gawin natin! It started as a friendly game, In fact, hindi nga sila masyadong ginamit ni Mark Borboran! What triggered that commotion is when pong gave him a good shot at the abs na hindi nakita ng refs! It was done after Yousif was called for a blocking foul kay james. When James was about to received the ball pong gave a good punch wihich irritated him so much!
He was asking Pong kung bakit niya ginawa yon considering it was just a exhibition game. Kung andun ka mapapansin mo siguro na hindi maka react c pong! Dahil kung nasa tama Siya at nasa Beda gym pa iyon, he should have reacted also violently! Kilala nyo din naman c pong!

5FootCarrot
04-19-2007, 04:42 PM
Sana umasta rin ito labas sa Ateneo this off season ng maranasan nya ang katulad ng pagmamahal ng mga hecklers dati kay Bonbon at Espiritu. At katulad ng pagmamahal nila Joe and co. kay Nonoy Crisostomo noong nakaraang dumayo ang UST sa Katipunan.
Last summer pa lang, nakatikim na yan sa amin because he was acting like an @$$ not just towards our players, but towards us in the gallery as well.

I must say, though, that I'm disappointed - as far as I know, at least, all James Martinez did to the Bedans this time was to taunt them. We got The One-Fingered Salute from him last summer.

Either he is toning down his act, or he has the cojones to "salute" only women in that way. ::)

5FootCarrot
04-19-2007, 04:43 PM
Dangit, I made my first-ever double post! ;D

oca
04-19-2007, 06:11 PM
8)* *to oca: Just talked to james after the game! why not ask pong e. what happened!

Not That I want to defend the guy! He will remain a former Bedan kahit ano gawin natin!* It started as a friendly game, In fact, hindi nga sila masyadong ginamit ni Mark Borboran! What triggered that commotion is when pong gave him a good shot at the abs na hindi nakita ng refs!* It was done after Yousif was called for a blocking foul kay james.* *When James was about to received the ball pong gave a good punch wihich irritated him so much!
He was asking Pong kung bakit niya ginawa yon considering it was just a exhibition game.* Kung andun ka mapapansin mo siguro na hindi maka react c pong! Dahil kung nasa tama Siya at nasa Beda gym pa iyon, he should have reacted also violently! Kilala nyo din naman c pong!


What for?

Kung ano man ang comentaryo ko, o nino man, about a game or a player's actuations on court, are matters of personal opinion/ impression/ perception. Same applies to coaches and referees.

I am not a judge who must hand down a verdict on a case, that I need to get both sides of the story.

MIRON AKO!

At huwag kang mag-alala, hindi ako ang uupak sa kanya. Di ko ugali maki-interact sa players- regardless of what manner, oncourt or offcourt.* ;D ;D ;D

paolo
04-20-2007, 11:46 PM
Sana umasta rin ito labas sa Ateneo this off season ng maranasan nya ang katulad ng pagmamahal ng mga hecklers dati kay Bonbon at Espiritu. At katulad ng pagmamahal nila Joe and co. kay Nonoy Crisostomo noong nakaraang dumayo ang UST sa Katipunan.
Last summer pa lang, nakatikim na yan sa amin because he was acting like an @$$ not just towards our players, but towards us in the gallery as well.

I must say, though, that I'm disappointed - as far as I know, at least, all James Martinez did to the Bedans this time was to taunt them. We got The One-Fingered Salute from him last summer.

Either he is toning down his act, or he has the cojones to "salute" only women in that way. ::)
:o :o nakialam na naman ang mga taga katipunan! wag kang makialam sa usapang bedista!* Kami lang ang may karapatan! Kahit ano sabihin mo hindi namin ipagpapalit si James Martinez kahit ano man puna namin sa kanya. He will always be a Bedan! No Matter What!

MonL
04-21-2007, 12:10 AM
Sana umasta rin ito labas sa Ateneo this off season ng maranasan nya ang katulad ng pagmamahal ng mga hecklers dati kay Bonbon at Espiritu. At katulad ng pagmamahal nila Joe and co. kay Nonoy Crisostomo noong nakaraang dumayo ang UST sa Katipunan.
Last summer pa lang, nakatikim na yan sa amin because he was acting like an @$$ not just towards our players, but towards us in the gallery as well.

I must say, though, that I'm disappointed - as far as I know, at least, all James Martinez did to the Bedans this time was to taunt them. We got The One-Fingered Salute from him last summer.

Either he is toning down his act, or he has the cojones to "salute" only women in that way. ::)
:o :o nakialam na naman ang mga taga katipunan! wag kang makialam sa usapang bedista!* Kami lang ang may karapatan! Kahit ano sabihin mo hindi namin ipagpapalit si James Martinez kahit ano man puna namin sa kanya. He will always be a Bedan! No Matter What!


And that is the problem. He does not act as one. Does he deserve to be called one? His behaviour has affected even those outside the community so they have as much right as we do to comment about his boorish behaviour if and when they are at the receiving end.

Payong kuyang Bedista lang. I suggest you tone down too in a public forum. Mahirap magsabing wag makialam sa usaping bedista habang nasa ibang bahay tayo.*

(EDIT TO ADD: Para malaman mo, kung di mo pa napansin sa avatar niya, Carrot is a lady. At alam ko rin na may lahing Benedictine din siya dahil siya rin ay Kulasa.)

5FootCarrot
04-21-2007, 08:17 AM
Pasensya na, paolo, hindi ko alam na iyo pala si James Martinez ::)

I admit that what he did to us has nothing to do with 1) his being a former Red Cub, and 2) what he did to the Bedan alumni - I just thought I would share another example of his execrable behavior, and the time to do so seemed right since the Atenean hecklers were mentioned in this thread.

Rest assured that the Bedans' business with James will remain your business, but whether you like it or not, we will continue to deal with him as we see fit if he carries on acting the way he did towards us and our players - and that will be between him and the Ateneo.

PS Speaking of execrable behavior, I would appreciate it if you spoke a little more politely to people in the forums. Surely the Benedictines didn't teach you to act the way you do. I know we're ragging on one of your favorite players or whatever, but we have good reason to do so.

Thank you, MonL, for speaking up on my behalf.

LION
04-21-2007, 03:08 PM
Pasensya na, paolo, hindi ko alam na iyo pala si James Martinez ::)

I admit that what he did to us has nothing to do with 1) his being a former Red Cub, and 2) what he did to the Bedan alumni - I just thought I would share another example of his execrable behavior, and the time to do so seemed right since the Atenean hecklers were mentioned in this thread.

Rest assured that the Bedans' business with James will remain your business, but whether you like it or not, we will continue to deal with him as we see fit if he carries on acting the way he did towards us and our players - and that will be between him and the Ateneo.
PS Speaking of execrable behavior, I would appreciate it if you spoke a little more politely to people in the forums. Surely the Benedictines didn't teach you to act the way you do. I know we're ragging on one of your favorite players or whatever, but we have good reason to do so.

Thank you, MonL, for speaking up on my behalf.


Do as you wish Carrot.* James Martinez is fair game and will not be protected by us.*

Paolo, please watch your language in this forum.* This is a public forum and the forum members are free to join in the discussion and express their opinions freely and responsibly.* The person (Oca) to whom you addressed your first post in this thread is a self-confessed "outsider".* So, whether you like it or not, forum members who are not Bedans have been discussing James Martinez* long before you posted in this sub-forum.

Also, this is a UE sub-forum. It's not our house, we are also mere visitors here.

paolo
04-22-2007, 05:16 PM
:-[ :-[Ah ok i'l tone down my actuations! While you might not protect him, we his bedan friends will always do!* we know him since elementary days! he comes back during our alumni homecoming!* There are only a few cubs that we knew that comes back during our homecoming and James Martinez is one of them. Since the time he graduated in 2005, He makes it a point to be with us during this time of the year.* He might be so engross with the game he loves most but will not surely turn his back to his alma mater.* *

I might be new hear, but from the previous posts that I had read, we, Bedans were so downhearted with his actuations during CCL! But really what did he do! He raised his arms to pumped himself up, does that make him a traitor? Even Ogie, Shaq and JR understand him because that is how he plays.* Psyched himself up to perform better.* The better question is that why did we let him go?* He is one of the only few red cubs that we can call our very own!* The only few person that believes in him was Mike Advani who was then not so active with the recruitment program of the Red Lions! After he left, the succeeding Red Cubs that deserved to be in the Red Lion Team is now being taken cared of, which should have been the case long time ago! ;)

Do as you wish Carrot.* James Martinez is fair game and will not be protected by us.*

Paolo, please watch your language in this forum.* This is a public forum and the forum members are free to join in the discussion and express their opinions freely and responsibly.* The person (Oca) to whom you addressed your first post in this thread is a self-confessed "outsider".* So, whether you like it or not, forum members who are not Bedans have been discussing James Martinez* long before you posted in this sub-forum.

Also, this is a UE sub-forum. It's not our house, we are also mere visitors here.

lekiboy
04-23-2007, 06:13 AM
:-[ :-[Ah ok i'l tone down my actuations! While you might not protect him, we his bedan friends will always do!* we know him since elementary days! he comes back during our alumni homecoming!* There are only a few cubs that we knew that comes back during our homecoming and James Martinez is one of them. Since the time he graduated in 2005, He makes it a point to be with us during this time of the year.* He might be so engross with the game he loves most but will not surely turn his back to his alma mater.* *

I might be new hear, but from the previous posts that I had read, we, Bedans were so downhearted with his actuations during CCL! But really what did he do! He raised his arms to pumped himself up, does that make him a traitor? Even Ogie, Shaq and JR understand him because that is how he plays.* Psyched himself up to perform better.* The better question is that why did we let him go?* He is one of the only few red cubs that we can call our very own!* The only few person that believes in him was Mike Advani who was then not so active with the recruitment program of the Red Lions! After he left, the succeeding Red Cubs that deserved to be in the Red Lion Team is now being taken cared of, which should have been the case long time ago! ;)

Do as you wish Carrot.* James Martinez is fair game and will not be protected by us.*

Paolo, please watch your language in this forum.* This is a public forum and the forum members are free to join in the discussion and express their opinions freely and responsibly.* The person (Oca) to whom you addressed your first post in this thread is a self-confessed "outsider".* So, whether you like it or not, forum members who are not Bedans have been discussing James Martinez* long before you posted in this sub-forum.

Also, this is a UE sub-forum. It's not our house, we are also mere visitors here.








paolo,

i undertand and respect your opinion.... you might want to talk to james and discuss his behavior...alam naman din natin na sumosobra ang ilan nyang mga galaw sa court...madami na ang nasasaktan and naiinis ( in and out of the bedan community).* sometimes we really have to step back and do self-criticism and self-correction. bottomline, james will still benefit from this correction - tama ka - iba ang bedista, masakit kapag uuwi si james sa atin at alam nyang may mga masama ang loob sa kanya... this applies to all of us. no point for him to continue this 'rebellion without a cause"* - wala ding pupuntahan. siya din ang maaapektuhan paglaon. di lang sa mga bedista siya mahihirapan, pati na rin sa ibang koponan, di biro na tuwing naglalaro ka ay sinisigawan ka at minumura..... at lahat ng ito ay para saan???? WALA.

it seems that you know each other well, i suggest that you talk to him - he will realize in the long run "na ang mga batang makukulit ay napapagalitan din ng mga kuya at magulang... pagtapos nun at nag tino - sa tahanan* pa din uuwi... ang mahirap ay halimabawa at kung may kapatid ka at di na nakikinig sa mga kuya niya... kahit sa bahay niyo, ano ang tawag mo dun?

laro lang kamo - itigil na ang kakulitan sa court.... :) good luck sa kanya at sa UE this season 70.

paolo
04-24-2007, 02:13 PM
paolo,

i undertand and respect your opinion.... you might want to talk to james and discuss his behavior...alam naman din natin na sumosobra ang ilan nyang mga galaw sa court...madami na ang nasasaktan and naiinis ( in and out of the bedan community).* sometimes we really have to step back and do self-criticism and self-correction. bottomline, james will still benefit from this correction - tama ka - iba ang bedista, masakit kapag uuwi si james sa atin at alam nyang may mga masama ang loob sa kanya... this applies to all of us. no point for him to continue this 'rebellion without a cause"* - wala ding pupuntahan. siya din ang maaapektuhan paglaon. di lang sa mga bedista siya mahihirapan, pati na rin sa ibang koponan, di biro na tuwing naglalaro ka ay sinisigawan ka at minumura..... at lahat ng ito ay para saan???? WALA.

it seems that you know each other well, i suggest that you talk to him - he will realize in the long run "na ang mga batang makukulit ay napapagalitan din ng mga kuya at magulang... pagtapos nun at nag tino - sa tahanan* pa din uuwi... ang mahirap ay halimabawa at kung may kapatid ka at di na nakikinig sa mga kuya niya... kahit sa bahay niyo, ano ang tawag mo dun?

laro lang kamo - itigil na ang kakulitan sa court.... :) good luck sa kanya at sa UE this season 70.




Lekiboy, that is a true Bedan speaking! Thanks for cooling me off! ;) I can guarantee you that he takes criticism well pare don't worry! I am just pissed off why we have to talk about him in this forum! why not in our Den? It hurts us, his batchmates, because we know him well! Have you ever heard his former cubs say bad things about him? Maybe not! While we congratulated them, including Dindo, a former Bedan himself, for beating us fair and square, we had to tell every one in the forum that we hated James for being pumped up while playing his favorite sport! Have you heard him say bad things about San Beda? Maybe not! He was the same James Martinez we saw whilel playing for the Red Cubs, we loved him for playing that way, which is, putting his heart out in the sport he loves most!! The only problem now is that he is playing elsewhere and not for San Beda no thanks to those unbelievers and let him go! :(

LION
04-24-2007, 03:52 PM
paolo,

Cool ka lang pare ko. Whilst I can understand your attachment with James, you can always speak your mind without being too emotional about the whole thing. If you noticed, forum members here generally speak clearly, lucidly and respectfully.

There are valid criticisms against James. If according to you, he takes criticisms well, then that is good for him. However, we have not seen any positive changes in the way he relates to the crowd, especially the Bedan gallery.

He is being discussed in this forum obviously because he is a UE player and this is a UE sub-forum. And he committed his "crimes" against the Bedan gallery as a UE player, not as a former Red Cub.

You may not know it, but there are former Red Cubs who are pissed off with James' demeanor on the court. But of course they will not go public about it. These Red Cubs are level-headed.

If you care enough about James Martinez, I suggest that, as earlier advised by lekiboy, you discuss with James his demeanor on court. Is it possible for James Martinez to just play and refrain from taunting the crowd? You justify his actuations by saying that that is his way of pumping himself up. Sorry brother but that reasoning is simply not acceptable.

If he will continue to taunt the Bedans with his antics, I am sorry to say but he might just find a rude reception from the Mendiola boys.

It is obvious that you and James have a problem with James' leaving the den. There are always 2 sides involved. James' version and the school's version. There are reasons for James' demands. And there are reasons why the school thought then that they can't give in to those demands. However, past is past. San Beda has moved on. It has already won a championship - without James. And in the eyes of many, the coaching staff and team management then made the right decision.

In all probability, you will disagree with the above. But we can disagree without being disagreeable.

paolo
04-24-2007, 05:37 PM
Just asking? What crime did he commit during the game?* Being pumped up as a player is a crime? Did he utter mean words against the Bedan gallery o galit ka lang sa kanya?

TAUNTING THE CROWD??? I was there watching the gaime after James shot those 3s, he pumped his fist in the air, in fact some of the Bedan gallery was joking that we will get back his diploma! Taunting is pointing a finger to the crowd, did he did just that? I think not. He was emotional as any other player will do in a championship game. Haven't you noticed that after the game Ogie, Shaq, JR and James was smiling at each other, as if to say that they respect one another.

I know past is past! Demands? Baka may alam ka na hiningi ni James na hindi namin alam! Share it with us!* You can approach the guy if you have something against him! I know madalas naman siya kay Ato B.* We know that he has some faults but crime to the Bedan community? What did he done that deserve your kind of treatment?* You can tell me and I'll asked him!* Many of us his batchmaes are with him since elementary. He is the guy that would not open his mouth if not asked! By the way, I'm not emotionally but rather surprised that it is as if you know why he left San Beda.* *

If there are former Red Cubs that is pissed off with James tell us our Batch would be glad to talked to them! Pang showbiz naman yund dating na "OF COURSE THEY WILL NOT GO PUBLIC! ;)

With regards to your rude reception against him don't worry we will be there for him! Kasi baka usap Bedista lang ang kailangan! Napakaliit ng community para mag-inisan pa tayo. If any of our Bedan brothers do have something against any of our Batchmates just give us a tap on the back and surely we will be glad to offer our apologies. That is the Bedan spirit!

paolo,

Cool ka lang pare ko. Whilst I can understand your attachment with James, you can always speak your mind without being too emotional about the whole thing.* *If you noticed, forum members here generally speak clearly, lucidly and respectfully.*

There are valid criticisms against James. If according to you, he takes criticisms well, then that is good for him.* However, we have not seen any positive changes in the way he relates to the crowd, especially the Bedan gallery.

He is being discussed in this forum obviously because he is a UE player and this is a UE sub-forum. And he committed his "crimes" against the Bedan gallery as a UE player, not as a former Red Cub.

You may not know it, but there are former Red Cubs who are pissed off with James' demeanor on the court.* But of course they will not go public about it.* These Red Cubs are level-headed.

If you care enough about James Martinez, I suggest that, as earlier advised by lekiboy, you discuss with James his demeanor on court. Is it possible for James Martinez to just play and refrain from taunting the crowd?* *You* justify his actuations by saying that that is his way of pumping himself up.* Sorry brother but that reasoning is simply not acceptable.*

If he will continue to taunt the Bedans with his antics, I am sorry to say but he might just find a rude reception from the Mendiola boys.*

It is obvious that you and James have a problem with James' leaving the den.* There are always 2 sides involved. James' version and the school's version.* There are reasons for James' demands. And there are reasons why the school thought then that they can't give in to those demands.* However, past is past. San Beda has moved on. It has already won a championship - without James. And in the eyes of many, the coaching staff and team management then made the right decision.*

In all probability, you will disagree with the above. But we can disagree without being disagreeable.


??? ???

LION
04-24-2007, 05:42 PM
Ok. Case closed. :)

full battle gear
04-25-2007, 11:01 AM
All of you should remember that this is the UE forum. If you want to talk about James Martinez and his attitude towards the San Beda community, it may be better to move that discussion to the Red Lion's Den.

However, I think it may be better to just give it a rest.

paolo, be more respectful and polite when you post. Refer to this thread for the guidelines for posting here in gameface. Thanks. http://www.gameface.ph/forums/index.php?topic=117.0

paolo
04-29-2007, 10:34 PM
All of you should remember that this is the UE forum.* If you want to talk about James Martinez and his attitude towards the San Beda community, it may be better to move that discussion to the Red Lion's Den.

However, I think it may be better to just give it a rest.*

paolo, be more respectful and polite when you post.* Refer to this thread for the guidelines for posting here in gameface.* Thanks.* http://www.gameface.ph/forums/index.php?topic=117.0


;) If you notice my previous post, that is the same question that I asked! Why UE forum? The only remark that I got was that it was because the so-called "actuations" of James Martinez was done during the UE - SBC game!

Don't worry MR FULL BATTLE GEAR, I know what is right from wrong! If you had read my previous posts, I was just reacting to the Hate campaign, disguise as a brotherly advice by our Bedan brothers! Aren't their post more disrespectful than mine? They started by congratulating UE for beating our team fair and square, but alas, after that, they started to say bad things against our Bedan batchmate! I felt that it was totally unfair! I was just reacting to their comments as if they were so maligned by James actuations!

I would have not reacted that way if there was reallly a semblance of fairplay in their posts! Aren't it more prudent on their part if they have just talked to us in the campus rather than express themselves in this thread as if James had practically ignored his alma mater, when in fact he occassionally visits the campus and had not missed the alumni homecoming since he graduated in 2005!

My previous post clearly asked our Bedan Brothers that if they felt insulted by any of our Batchmates, not only James, just tap our backs and we are more than willing to apologies to them!

Thanks and peace to everyone!

lekiboy
04-30-2007, 08:54 AM
All of you should remember that this is the UE forum.* If you want to talk about James Martinez and his attitude towards the San Beda community, it may be better to move that discussion to the Red Lion's Den.

However, I think it may be better to just give it a rest.*

paolo, be more respectful and polite when you post.* Refer to this thread for the guidelines for posting here in gameface.* Thanks.* http://www.gameface.ph/forums/index.php?topic=117.0


;) If you notice my previous post, that is the same question that I asked! Why UE forum? The only remark that I got was that it was because the so-called "actuations" of James Martinez was done during the UE - SBC game!

Don't worry MR FULL BATTLE GEAR, I know what is right from wrong! If you had read my previous posts, I was just reacting to the Hate campaign, disguise as a brotherly advice by our Bedan brothers!* Aren't their post more disrespectful than mine?* They started by congratulating UE for beating our team fair and square, but alas, after that, they started to say bad things against our Bedan batchmate! I felt that it was totally unfair! I was just reacting to their comments as if they were so maligned by James actuations!

I would have not reacted that way if there was reallly a semblance of fairplay in their posts!* Aren't it more prudent on their part if they have just talked to us in the campus rather than express themselves in this thread as if James had practically ignored his alma mater, when in fact he occassionally visits the campus and had not missed the alumni homecoming since he graduated in 2005!

My previous post clearly asked our Bedan Brothers that if they felt insulted by any of our Batchmates, not only James, just tap our backs and we are more than willing to apologies to them!

Thanks and peace to everyone!

*


paolo,
tapusin na natin ito sa thread ng UE... my apologies to the warriors..
bedista sa bedista, pag usapan na lang natin ito - i will PM my cel to you and let me know yours...pag usapan natin and i am sure like bedans of olden times, mapapag usapan nang maayos yan... pwede ding mag usap kami nina james if you like. i understand. batchmate ka nga..i could have done the same for mine.

Animo, paolo.

paolo
05-03-2007, 11:33 PM
paolo,
tapusin na natin ito sa thread ng UE... my apologies to the warriors..
bedista sa bedista, pag usapan na lang natin ito - i will PM my cel to you and let me know yours...pag usapan natin and i am sure like bedans of olden times, mapapag usapan nang maayos yan... pwede ding mag usap kami nina james if you like. i understand. batchmate ka nga..i could have done the same for mine.

Animo, paolo.



:)* Thanks Bro!* But don't know how to PM! hehehe Anyway, pagala-gala lang naman ako sa St Maurs and occasionally watch the practices jrs and srs!* Just can't resist to defend a Bedan brother na alam ko is a damn good fellow! Misinterpreted lang! If you were already studying at San Beda when James was playing for the Red Cubs ganyan din naman kumilos yan, but he never plays dirty. The trait of a true blooded Bedan! Sa Batch namin he is well respected because we feel that he never change since the time he left San Beda!

;) This would be my last reaction in this thread! Nahihiya na din ako because we are not supposed to tackle this issue in this thread bro!*

* ::)* Go San Beda Fight, LEKIBOY!

liu yang
05-14-2007, 06:39 PM
I was only asked to check this thread, it seem like everybody hates james for such incidents happened from past leagues...if my memory serves me right, during the ccl championship, i witnessed what you've been claiming that james taunted bedan crowd, hmmm i was seated at the ringside along with the other bedan ( i was doing a running score) i was really distracted by them on how they call james different names... they were even saying really odd words...

Sam Miguel
05-22-2007, 12:39 PM
My, my, I've been away a few weeks from this Forum and already its turned into the "James Martinez" sub-forum.

I'd like to thank the Red Lion elders for their sobriety and grace and for keeping things on an even keel even in the Red Warriors' house.

Moving right along I'd like to take a different tack on the now-celebrated former Red Cub donning the UAAP's red and white.

James Martinez is going to have a breakout year in the UAAP's Season 70. You can take that to the bank. His strong and consistent oncourt showing in this off-season is a testament to his own personal commitment to hard work to become a better player. He is still a smallish 2-guard at heart but at least his UE Coaches have succeeded somewhat in turning him into a serviceable pointguard in given situations. He knows how to break down defenses with his dribble in given situations now, something he couldn't do even a year ago. He is a better trap man on the UE press. He has even learned how to be a fulcrum passer in the UE high-low game.

With his already razor-sharp perimeter shooting and ability to come off firing regardless of coverage he may yet make some people forget another famous Red Cub who is now the designated shooter of Team Pilipinas.

Sam Miguel
06-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Watch out for former Staglet PAUL LEE, who seems to have blossomed into the second coming of Bon Custodio. This 5-foot-11 combo-guard can play both backcourt positions with aplomb and is fearless attacking the basket. If his leap and passing improve he will make UE fans forget even Ronald Tubid and James Yap.

Wang-Bu
07-18-2007, 11:09 AM
Watch out for former Staglet PAUL LEE, who seems to have blossomed into the second coming of Bon Custodio. This 5-foot-11 combo-guard can play both backcourt positions with aplomb and is fearless attacking the basket. If his leap and passing improve he will make UE fans forget even Ronald Tubid and James Yap.


Ayun na nga, nagpakitang-gilas na si PAUL LEE kontra Ateneo.

Wang-Bu
07-24-2007, 01:48 PM
Maganda ang pinakitang laro nina Jorel, Marcy, James at Rudy kontra Lasalle. Nagkatotoo ang mga sinabi ko na dapat 100% ang laro ng ating mga guards para malaki pagasa natin kontra Lasalle at ganun na nga ang nangyari. Dahil sa ganda ng passing game at shooting ng guards natin lumuwag ang depensa para sa ating mga big men gaya nina Mark at Hans at pati na din si Barry.

ewe_rach
07-24-2007, 03:03 PM
sir wangbu tama nga na talagang kumamada ang mga guards ng warriors at nang maging bukas ang mga forwards at sentro para madali ang drop pass sa loob. napabilib na ko ni thiele kumpara nung nakaraang taon na tila walang alam kung hindi mag-travelling. si lingganay din masasabi kong magaling na pamalit sa PG position at nang makapag-tres si martinez. ganun din si canizares na naaalala kong siya yung hindi nakabuslo ng huling tira noong do or die game nila ng tigers, ngayon kahit na 20 footer parang mani nalang sa kanya. ang galing nga din pala ng conditioning nila! parang pwede silang kunin as endorsers ng revicon ("lakas na hindi umaayaw") at ng extra joss! hehe! seriously though, ang lakas nila ngayon.

Wang-Bu
07-26-2007, 04:21 PM
Salamat po Sir Ewe.

Kanino pa ba matututo ng kahalagahan ng mataas na antas ng kondisyon sa laron basketball si Coach Dindo kundi kay Coach Franz at siempre kay Manong Derek.

Oras na sigurong si DINDO naman ang tanghalin bilang pang-kampeonatong coach sa magkukuyang Pumaren.

ewe_rach
07-27-2007, 10:06 AM
sir wangbu. MAAM po ako hindi sir.* ;D

oo nga dapat si coach dindo naman!!!

Wang-Bu
07-27-2007, 11:42 AM
sir wangbu. MAAM po ako hindi sir.* ;D

oo nga dapat si coach dindo naman!!!


Sori po M'am... kakahiya... :P

ewe_rach
07-28-2007, 12:43 AM
sir wangbu okay lang po. dapat talaga ewe_rachel eh kaya lang pinaiklian ko na since rach naman ang nickname ko. tsaka wag na po maam at bata pa po ako. haha!

bchoter
07-28-2007, 11:32 AM
Oo nga naman Wang-Bu. Dapat ram_rich kung lalake :D
Di ba ang ewe eh mejo magulang na?

ewe_rach
07-28-2007, 11:22 PM
Oo nga naman Wang-Bu. Dapat ram_rich kung lalake :D
Di ba ang ewe eh mejo magulang na?


oo nga po magulang na kaya lang kasi diba rachel means "ewe shepherdess." Biblical nga actually.
anyway, off topic na. tama na po ito. ;D

please update naman po sa game ng warriors vs. maroons. hindi po ako nakanuod. blow by blow account of the game, the best player, etc. thank you! ;)

Wang-Bu
08-21-2007, 05:31 PM
O ano, sino pang nagsasabing weak link ang mga guards natin?

Sa siyam na pinanalo natin parating nagdala ng team si Marcy Arellano bilang pointguard at nandun din si James Martinez bilang shooting guard na marunong mag-pointguard. Huwag din nating kalimutan ang kontribusyon ni Paul Lee, na bagama't rookie ay maganda ang nilalaro. At siempre pa ang ating pinakamagaling na swingman na si Jorel Canizares.

bchoter
08-21-2007, 05:35 PM
^ Agree ako sa lahat ng sinabi mo Wang-bu. Yun nga lang parang hindi pa napapakita ni Jorel na siya ang pinakamagaling na swing sa campo niyo. Nakakatakot tuloy para sa ibang team at anytime pwedeng pumutok.

ewe_rach
08-21-2007, 05:50 PM
^ Agree ako sa lahat ng sinabi mo Wang-bu. Yun nga lang parang hindi pa napapakita ni Jorel na siya ang pinakamagaling na swing sa campo niyo. Nakakatakot tuloy para sa ibang team at anytime pwedeng pumutok.


sir nagpakita na rin kahit papaano (i think best player ng isang beses at nag-set siya career high niya last round). yun nga lang mejo umalat ulit. i hope na bumalik ulit yun bago magtapos ang elims. kaya pa niya!

ewe_rach
08-21-2007, 06:06 PM
baka nakakalimutan niyo na si lingganay ay maganda din ang nilalaro bukod sa fair grade niya as a PG reliever.

si gino etrone kaya kelan?

grabe naman!

yinkadare
08-23-2007, 03:44 AM
Watch out for former Staglet PAUL LEE, who seems to have blossomed into the second coming of Bon Custodio. This 5-foot-11 combo-guard can play both backcourt positions with aplomb and is fearless attacking the basket. If his leap and passing improve he will make UE fans forget even Ronald Tubid and James Yap.


indeed!!! the next big thing..hehehe.. hes my idol you know..hahaha

pokpok
08-23-2007, 01:59 PM
magaling talaga si paul lee at kababata siya ng pamangkin ko sa TONDO...
ang tanong mayron kaya tayong bagong recruits kasi marami aalis satin next year!!!
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO UE!!!!!

Wang-Bu
08-24-2007, 10:05 AM
Muling nagpakitang gilas si Marcy Arellano, at malaki din ang naitulong ni Jorel Canizares at Paul Lee sa panalo natin kontra NU. Sana lang hindi maubusan ng gasolina ang mga bata, lalo mga guards natin, at marami pang haharapin na matinding kalaban.

ewe_rach
08-24-2007, 11:36 AM
^ after being silent for the past games, a pat on the back for marcy! he is the sole warrior who carried the team for that 10-0! mabuhay ka arellano! ;)

anthony00
10-09-2007, 09:19 AM
after all that has been said and done, marcy faded away in the times UE needed him most! buti pa si Lee kahit kabado cge salpak lang ng salpak, c marcy, 1 out of 8 sa 2pt region.. for a veteran, it was disappointing.. sayang, inaasahan ko pa naman na isa siya sa magiging catalyst para makalagpas sa archers..

Joescoundrel
05-07-2008, 09:57 PM
The way Rudy Linganay, Paul Zamar, Raffy Reyes, Lucas Tagarda, Val Acuna and Toto Bandaying have been playing this off-season other teams would be hard-pressed to call the UE backcourt a weak link.

jayloui
05-08-2008, 11:12 AM
This batch of guards are full of potential, with Lingganay and Reyes as pure point guards, Bandaying and Zamar never shy to shoot the lights out, and Acuña and Tagarda with their promising all around game... And don't forget everybody has defense in their arsenal... Definitely, the guards of UE cannot be tagged as it's weak link.. I haven't even mentioned Martinez, Arellano, and Lee...

stonecold316
05-12-2008, 01:52 AM
Magagaling rin ang back court ng ibang teams sa UAAP. I think the players can match-up well sa UE.

stonecold316

The_Big_Cat
05-12-2008, 07:58 AM
This coming season, it will be a big advantage for UE yung mga guards nila against other teams.
Experience and talent-wise.

The tandem of Martinez and Arellano, i think, is the most potent backcourt duo in the UAAP offensively.

bchoter
05-12-2008, 10:25 AM
They also have the size to match upwell with other big PGs and are quick enough to cover the speedsters. Marcy will still be the leader but Martinez' supreme self confidence, if it will rub off to his teammates, will be as important.

Joescoundrel
05-12-2008, 12:51 PM
^ "Supreme self confidence"... I like that term... ;D

bchoter
05-12-2008, 01:09 PM
Angas on top of angas... in street parlance "kup@l" :D

I never liked the kid from the time he tried to bully the players from SSC-Cavite in the FMC 2 summers back. He treated them with little respect and was even poised for a fight against one of their tall players (can't recall his name but he played with Mark Yee). But in fairness, he's proven himself many times over and that he's more than just angas. And I'm also glad he's settled his defferences with the Bedans (or is it).

Raging Blue
05-12-2008, 01:17 PM
^ "Supreme self confidence"... I like that term... ;D


There are also situations during a game that "Sweet Baby James" Martinez should make the "Supreme Sacrifice"

bchoter
05-12-2008, 01:20 PM
Mess up his hair?

Laging ayos na ayos eh :D

oca
05-12-2008, 05:06 PM
Nagbago na kahit papaano si Martinez. He is more into the game than into his antics. Of course there would one big 3-ptr that would make him do his thing, but that's just him. But for most part he has a better disposition during games nowadays.

Kid Cubao
05-13-2008, 08:38 AM
dapat lang na bawas-bawasan na nya ang angas, kasi wala pa naman talaga syang napapatunayan. well, meron naman--that he's a choker just like the rest of his teammates as evidenced in last year's UAAP finals.

Sam Miguel
05-13-2008, 03:03 PM
dapat lang na bawas-bawasan na nya ang angas, kasi wala pa naman talaga syang napapatunayan. well, meron naman--that he's a choker just like the rest of his teammates as evidenced in last year's UAAP finals.


How much does one pay for a choker nowadays?

Kid Cubao
05-14-2008, 07:36 AM
^^ hehe, i wouldn't go into that pero alam mo naman, for them to stink up that bad in the championship series ;D

Wang-Bu
05-15-2008, 10:23 AM
^^^ Mga sir hindi po guard ang choker na for sale ...

Dark Knight
05-15-2008, 06:11 PM
^^^ Mga sir hindi po guard ang choker na for sale ...


WELCOME BACK Sir WANG BU!! :D

Sam Miguel
06-17-2008, 07:21 PM
University of the East seems set in the backcourt especially with newcomer Lucas Tagarda, the emergent Val Acuna, and veteran Rudy Linganay. One thing though: it seems this will be a shorter backcourt than UE has gotten used to compared to seasons past. Add in relative shorties like James Martinez, Marcy Arellano and Paul Zamar and its decidedly more of an Ateneo-style backcourt for coach Dindo Pumaren.

Joescoundrel
09-01-2008, 02:02 PM
Paul Lee is regaining his deadly form and might spell the difference in the Final 4 against the Ateneo. Lee seems to have gotten his basketball legs back 100% and is once again proving to be one of the best swingmen in the UAAP. He brings superb doses of athletic prowess and versatility in a 6-foot package that is hard to match. If his defense ever gets any better he could be a bigger version of Eric Salamat.

ewe_rach
09-01-2008, 04:00 PM
Paul Lee is regaining his deadly form and might spell the difference in the Final 4 against the Ateneo. Lee seems to have gotten his basketball legs back 100% and is once again proving to be one of the best swingmen in the UAAP. He brings superb doses of athletic prowess and versatility in a 6-foot package that is hard to match. If his defense ever gets any better he could be a bigger version of Eric Salamat.


He was being overshadowed by the newcomer Zamar for a couple of games. I was happy to see him in his usual deadly self.
I hope he'll peak perfectly. He could be the man for UE against the titan that is Ateneo.

bossman
09-01-2008, 11:14 PM
Paul Lee can definitely bring the team to his shoulders. He got the talent, the moves and showmanship to bring UE to the next level.

Howard the Duck
09-02-2008, 01:21 AM
asan na si paul lee?

ewe_rach
09-02-2008, 01:03 PM
^Had he (LEE) been in a scoring slump last game, baka natalo ang UE. Glad to have him take over. I am beginning to doubt Arellano even more. Marcy had a good game though but I still want more coz I know he can give more.
He should be the leader of the team (ALWAYS) and when I say leader, he should be the one "reprimanding" his teammates with bad behaviors. More than his scoring prowess, I reckon the mental toughness and composure is what his team needs.

Joescoundrel
09-10-2008, 01:54 PM
James Martinez, Marcy Arellano and Paul Lee need to be at the top of their games if they are to beat league leader Ateneo twice and return to the UAAP Finals.

Up front UE has the athletes and the big bodies to rotate and stay toe to toe even against the retooled Ateneo frontline. Center Pari Llagas, forward-center Hans Thiele and jumping jack power forward Elmer Espiritu combine to average nearly 30 points, 30 rebounds and four blocks among them. But they need the guards to step up and create opportunities for them with dribble-penetrations, setting up the high-low plays and the baseline attack sets of Coach Dindo Pumaren.

Martinez needs to have his canons ready to fire to open up the box-to-box operations of Llagas and the pop-out jumpers of Espiritu and Thiele. If he's on-target with the long ball it makes the entire UE offense flow far more smoothly. Other guards like Rudy Linganay find themselves with more space to load up and take good jumpshots, while Paul Zamar can find more seams in the defense for his dribble-penetration.

Arellano has to prove he can lead this team to the Promised Land. He deferred to the likes of KG Canaleta, Bon Custodio, Mark Borboran and even Jorel Canizares in the past. Now this is his team and they will go only as far as their captain will take them. Running the offense and calling the defense are just part of it. Can he get over the up-down Season 71 he has had so far and finally live up to all the potential? Ultimately it is the mental and psychological part of his game that needs to be reinforced for the grind ahead.

Lee has become the most underrated player on this team with his ability to do many good things at a high level. However he needs to gain better situational awareness and stop forcing the action just because he thinks he is on a hot streak. In their Round 2 game against Santo Tomas he rushed at least three plays in the last two minutes and a half that nearly allowed the Tigers to mount the comeback from 24 points down. True, he salvaged a couple of plays to still preserve the win, but he also very nearly cost UE that game and a guaranteed Final 4 slot. More than any of the other Warriors guards he will be in the spotlight. He is perhaps the only UE guard who can stay toe to toe with his former San Sebastian teammate Eric Salamat as well as gunner Chris Tiu. If he does not bring his A Game it'll be a quick Final 4 for the Warriors.

bossman
09-10-2008, 09:43 PM
James Martinez, Marcy Arellano and Paul Lee need to be at the top of their games if they are to beat league leader Ateneo twice and return to the UAAP Finals.

Up front UE has the athletes and the big bodies to rotate and stay toe to toe even against the retooled Ateneo frontline. Center Pari Llagas, forward-center Hans Thiele and jumping jack power forward Elmer Espiritu combine to average nearly 30 points, 30 rebounds and four blocks among them. But they need the guards to step up and create opportunities for them with dribble-penetrations, setting up the high-low plays and the baseline attack sets of Coach Dindo Pumaren.

Martinez needs to have his canons ready to fire to open up the box-to-box operations of Llagas and the pop-out jumpers of Espiritu and Thiele. If he's on-target with the long ball it makes the entire UE offense flow far more smoothly. Other guards like Rudy Linganay find themselves with more space to load up and take good jumpshots, while Paul Zamar can find more seams in the defense for his dribble-penetration.

Arellano has to prove he can lead this team to the Promised Land. He deferred to the likes of KG Canaleta, Bon Custodio, Mark Borboran and even Jorel Canizares in the past. Now this is his team and they will go only as far as their captain will take them. Running the offense and calling the defense are just part of it. Can he get over the up-down Season 71 he has had so far and finally live up to all the potential? Ultimately it is the mental and psychological part of his game that needs to be reinforced for the grind ahead.

Lee has become the most underrated player on this team with his ability to do many good things at a high level. However he needs to gain better situational awareness and stop forcing the action just because he thinks he is on a hot streak. In their Round 2 game against Santo Tomas he rushed at least three plays in the last two minutes and a half that nearly allowed the Tigers to mount the comeback from 24 points down. True, he salvaged a couple of plays to still preserve the win, but he also very nearly cost UE that game and a guaranteed Final 4 slot. More than any of the other Warriors guards he will be in the spotlight. He is perhaps the only UE guard who can stay toe to toe with his former San Sebastian teammate Eric Salamat as well as gunner Chris Tiu. If he does not bring his A Game it'll be a quick Final 4 for the Warriors.




I agree with your point. They must all step it up a notch higher if they want to prolong their season.

ewe_rach
09-12-2008, 03:49 PM
James Martinez, Marcy Arellano and Paul Lee need to be at the top of their games if they are to beat league leader Ateneo twice and return to the UAAP Finals.

Up front UE has the athletes and the big bodies to rotate and stay toe to toe even against the retooled Ateneo frontline. Center Pari Llagas, forward-center Hans Thiele and jumping jack power forward Elmer Espiritu combine to average nearly 30 points, 30 rebounds and four blocks among them. But they need the guards to step up and create opportunities for them with dribble-penetrations, setting up the high-low plays and the baseline attack sets of Coach Dindo Pumaren.

Martinez needs to have his canons ready to fire to open up the box-to-box operations of Llagas and the pop-out jumpers of Espiritu and Thiele. If he's on-target with the long ball it makes the entire UE offense flow far more smoothly. Other guards like Rudy Linganay find themselves with more space to load up and take good jumpshots, while Paul Zamar can find more seams in the defense for his dribble-penetration.

Arellano has to prove he can lead this team to the Promised Land. He deferred to the likes of KG Canaleta, Bon Custodio, Mark Borboran and even Jorel Canizares in the past. Now this is his team and they will go only as far as their captain will take them. Running the offense and calling the defense are just part of it. Can he get over the up-down Season 71 he has had so far and finally live up to all the potential? Ultimately it is the mental and psychological part of his game that needs to be reinforced for the grind ahead.

Lee has become the most underrated player on this team with his ability to do many good things at a high level. However he needs to gain better situational awareness and stop forcing the action just because he thinks he is on a hot streak. In their Round 2 game against Santo Tomas he rushed at least three plays in the last two minutes and a half that nearly allowed the Tigers to mount the comeback from 24 points down. True, he salvaged a couple of plays to still preserve the win, but he also very nearly cost UE that game and a guaranteed Final 4 slot. More than any of the other Warriors guards he will be in the spotlight. He is perhaps the only UE guard who can stay toe to toe with his former San Sebastian teammate Eric Salamat as well as gunner Chris Tiu. If he does not bring his A Game it'll be a quick Final 4 for the Warriors.




I couldnt agree more! However, we must also remember that everything happens because it is His will. Having said that, I have faith that His plan will always prevail.

Wang-Bu
09-22-2009, 11:06 AM
Sa ganda ng pinapakita ng mga gwardiya natin sa buong second round mukhang atin na ang Final 4 kontra FEU. Sana lang hindi biglang dagain ang mga bata, iba pa din siempre ang do-or-die.

Bilib na bilib naman ako kina assistant coaches Nel Parado at Rene Baena na siyang mga nakatutok sa pagensayo ng mga gwardiya natin. Kitang-kita naman ang pagbulusok ng kanilang laro.

Joescoundrel
09-26-2009, 12:16 AM
This is a chance for the UE guards to shake the "weak link" labels clear off them selves. Not to say that they need to win the championship to prove that point, just that this is the time for the UE guards to show they can run a team, move the ball, defend on the ball and trap, and also score in transition and at the perimeter where they will be most needed. Also, their penetration and passing will have to be sharper than sharp. Ateneo brings a lot of confidence, experience, patience and intelligence in their backcourt. Play less than 110% against the Ateneo perimeter and you can kiss any championship hopes goodbye.






Gameface is Philippine Basketball

oca
09-26-2009, 07:13 AM
Putting things in perspective, this thread was created when this team had another set of coaches. As pointed by Wang-Bu, iba na ang coaches.

Imo, malaking bagay ang presence ni Rene Baena dyan. He was Badolato's able lieutenant at San Beda before he was invited to be part of UE's coaching staff. If you take into account the quality of play ng guards ng San Beda Red Cubs these recent years, huwag ipagtaka yung magandang laro ng mga guards ng UE.

But is this enough for UE to win this year?

Imo, the guards cancel each other out. Infact, lamang pa nga ang Blue Eagles sa guard rotation. Pero with pacing ang magandang timing ng substitution, as shown in past games, UE can offset that disadvantage.

Palagay ko, dun ito magkakatalo sa loob-- interior defense at rebounding.

mahiii3
10-16-2009, 02:44 AM
I dont agree with you... Ang lakas nga nila sa rebounds... Kaya nakakahabol tayu sa 2nd chance points...

maroonmartian
03-05-2010, 01:24 PM
Maybe this should be change next year. Yung big's na ang magiging weak link nila eh.

Wang-Bu
07-16-2010, 10:21 AM
Beteranong-beterano at hinog na hinog na ang mga guards ng UE mula ng umpisahan ang topic na ito. Bagama't humina sa pangkalahatan ang UE sa pagtatapos nina Pari Llagas, Elmer Espiritu, Val Acuna at Rudy Linganay, nasa perimeter na ang buhay ng Warriors ngayon. Nasa kamay na nina Martinez at Lee ang kapalaran ng UE sa kampanyang ito sa Season 73. Kapag wala ng gumagana para sa atin dapat sila ang magbitbit sa koponan natin.

Joescoundrel
07-27-2012, 11:22 AM
Roi Sumang is proving to be the latest guard sensation in the UAAP. If he had Greg Slaughter for a teammate with the Red Warriors they could conceivably take UE all the way to the Finals.

As it is, Sumang is making do with the guys he has, none of who can find their own shot (except maybe JR Sumido), which magnifies his value to the team.

Coach Jerry Codinera has to learn to let Sumang run this team, play him 36 minutes if he has to, 40 even. UE just can't keep up when Sumang has to sit.

bchoter
07-29-2012, 02:10 PM
^ Chris Javier has shown good footwork, ball handling and soft touch inside in the past 3 games. He's a little soft in the middle but he is never lacking in confidence. If he and Sumang will learn to play the pick-and-roll together while Santos patrols the opposite lower block then UE will have some semblance of a system

Joescoundrel
07-30-2012, 10:43 AM
By Celest R. Flores

INQUIRER.net

6:13 pm | Sunday, July 29th, 2012

MANILA, Philippines—Far Eastern University cruised past winless University of the East, 92-66, and remained atop the heap early in the 75th UAAP men’s basketball tournament.

The crack tandem of Terrence Romeo and RR Garcia clicked early for the Tamaraws as they churned out 19 and 18 points, respectively.

Romeo, who’s been the cornerstone of the offense of FEU in its four victories, also chalked up five rebounds and eight assists while former MVP Garcia contributed eight rebounds and six dimes.

It was smooth sailing for the Tamaraws, who shot a commendable 52 percent from the field, as they broke away in the second half for good.

While FEU stayed the only undefeated squad, the Warriors are still in search for their first victory in three starts.

Chris Javier paced his squad in a losing effort with 20 points and nine boards while main man Roi Sumang added 16 points.

Sam Miguel
08-13-2012, 01:27 PM
By Joey Villar (The Philippine Star)

Updated August 13, 2012 12:00 AM

University of Santo Tomas came through with an overpowering performance to run down a hapless University of the East side, 85-69, and move a step closer to league-leading Ateneo and Far Eastern U in the 75th UAAP basketball tournament at the Smart-Araneta Coliseum yesterday.

Cameroonian Karim Abdul powered his way to 20 points and 19 rebounds while sophomore Kevin Ferrer had his best game of his young career with 16 points he highlighted with four triples to help propel the Tigers to their fourth straight victory against a defeat.

The win also moved UST half-a-game behind idle Ateneo, the reigning champion, and FEU, tied for the lead at 5-1.

And the Tigers did it without Jeric Teng, who sat out due to a strained knee, as they drew big games from second stringers Louie Vigil and Eduardo Dacquioag.

Vigil, who played high school ball for Jose Rizal, fired a career-high 13 points while Caquiaog scored all of his six points in one stretch in the second period when UST turned what was once a close contest into a rout.

“This is a breakout game for Ferrer, I’ve been waiting for that since last year,” said UST coach Pido Jarencio in Filipino. “The other guys who have limited time like Vigil and Daquioag also stepped up in the absence of Jeric and that helped us a lot.”

Earlier, La Salle leaned on rookie Jeron Teng and its defense late in the game to hold off Adamson, 56-52, and get back on track with a 3-3 card.

Teng led his team with 15 points, including a basket that gave the Archers the lead for good and a free throw that put away the Falcons.

La Salle coach Gee Abanilla said the injury to starting point guard LA Revilla, who tweaked an ankle in the first half, threw them off balanced.

“LA Revilla’s injury threw us off a bit, I hope it isn’t serious,” said Abanilla. “Good thing about it is that the rookies were given a chance to play and I think they perform really well.

“I hope they will perform better for us to do well in our future games,” he added.

Ryan Monteclaro led his team with 12 points but the Falcons missed main man Alex Nuyles, who will be out the rest of the season with a shoulder injury, that they couldn’t deliver when it mattered most. They fell to their fourth setback against a win.

Roider Cabrera gave Adamson a 52-51 lead with a little less than two minutes to go but the Falcons couldn’t score from there while Teng secured the victory with his clutch shooting.

Joescoundrel
08-16-2012, 07:11 AM
INQUIRER.net

4:50 pm | Wednesday, August 15th, 2012

MANILA, Philippines – Roi Sumang took matters into his own hands to lift University of the East to its first win at the expense of Adamson, 71-66, Wednesday in the UAAP Season 75 men’s basketball tournament at the Smart Araneta Coliseum.

Sumang flourished in the clutch en route to a game-high 18 points, 16 of which came in the second half.

“I can’t explain. I’m so happy [to win]. Especially to the UE community. We just have to find a way to win. We never gave up,” said UE head coach Jerry Codinera.

The Red Warriors came out of their halftime huddle smoking and left the Falcons in the dust, 47-29, with 3:08 left in the third.

But it only took a matter of time before Adamson pulled to within three thrice but couldn’t come further, not with 23 misses at the free-throw line overall and six straight down the stretch.

“I just kept my composure and for the players, there will always be a run. Cabrera was getting his shots and we had a problem with that. In transition we found a way to sprint back,” said Codinera.

Codinera also commended his bench.

“I always tell the boys that it’s going to be hard for us to win with only two to three guys, dapat collective effort.”

Rey Sumido added 12 points while Gene Belleza and Adrian Santos chipped in with 11 and 10 points respectively.

UE and Adamson are now tied at 1-5.

Roider Cabrera came through with 16 points after an atrocious 0-of-10 shooting from downtown the last time out while Rodney Brondial notched a double-double with 15 points and 10 rebounds for Adamson.

Joescoundrel
08-16-2012, 07:12 AM
^ If Roi had Greg Slaughter in UE the Warriors would be UAAP champions, guaranteed.

bchoter
08-16-2012, 11:40 AM
Save for some parts of the 3rd and 4th canto, the UST defense made him look human, and a bad one at that. Although he eventually finished in double digits, Fortuna was clearly better in directing his team, even showing him up on 5-6 occassions, 2 of these resulted to his own basket inside the paint and one instance where Jeric did a Nash impersonation, splitting the double team with mad his mad handles

gensankid
08-23-2012, 12:23 PM
Codinera Out As Red Warriors Head Coach
by Mike Abasolo
Thursday, 23 August 2012

After a season and a 1st round, UE has decided to hand over Jerry Codinera a consultanting job.
In a phone interview with Inboundpass, Codinera’s message was simple and direct, “I’m now a sports consultant of UE” and didn’t elaborate on his sudden career change.
His first Head Coaching job was with the Teletech Titans in the PBL and has also served as assistant coach with the UP Fighting Maroons. In Season 74, his Red Warriors finished with a 3-11 win-loss record. In the 1st round Season 75, his team is holding at 6th place with a 1-6 record.
Selected by Purefoods in1988 to play alongside Jojo Lastimosa, Glenn Capacio, Ramon Fernandez and Alvin “Cap” Patrimonio, as a player,Coach Codinera is a winner. He’s among the PBA’s 25 greatest players and has won UAAP titles in Season 47 and 48.

Boysie Zamar, who has coached the Red Warriors during the Paul Artadi and James Yap era, in Seasons 64,65, and 66 will take over as Head Coach.

ghost09
08-24-2012, 11:53 AM
Codinera Out As Red Warriors Head Coach
by Mike Abasolo
Thursday, 23 August 2012

After a season and a 1st round, UE has decided to hand over Jerry Codinera a consultanting job.
In a phone interview with Inboundpass, Codinera’s message was simple and direct, “I’m now a sports consultant of UE” and didn’t elaborate on his sudden career change.
His first Head Coaching job was with the Teletech Titans in the PBL and has also served as assistant coach with the UP Fighting Maroons. In Season 74, his Red Warriors finished with a 3-11 win-loss record. In the 1st round Season 75, his team is holding at 6th place with a 1-6 record.
Selected by Purefoods in1988 to play alongside Jojo Lastimosa, Glenn Capacio, Ramon Fernandez and Alvin “Cap” Patrimonio, as a player,Coach Codinera is a winner. He’s among the PBA’s 25 greatest players and has won UAAP titles in Season 47 and 48.

Boysie Zamar, who has coached the Red Warriors during the Paul Artadi and James Yap era, in Seasons 64,65, and 66 will take over as Head Coach.

whoa didn't see that one coming , may nag-petition nanaman ba? lol

Sam Miguel
06-13-2013, 09:01 AM
With Roi Sumang's MVP campaign en route to the Fil Oil title there should be little doubt in anybody's mind that the UE backcourt is in very capable hands. Sumang just about broke every ankle there was to break this summer, and delivered in the clutch time and again. Even when Ray Parks was on him he still made plays.

He is, right here and now, without a doubt, the best damn pointguard in all of college basketball.

Sam Miguel
06-13-2013, 09:48 AM
Speaking of weak links - and I know he is not a guard, but still, weak link and all - John Noble has just been awful throughout this summer. Every goddam time he has the ball in his hands it is a turnover or a bad shot waiting to happen. Noble should get with the Roi Program and just find a spot and let Roi get the ball to him.

Joescoundrel
08-24-2015, 09:55 AM
How on earth did Roi Sumang slide down all the way to the third round of the 2015 draft? Lahat na lang nagsabi na pang-first round siya. Ano nangyare?

bchoter
08-24-2015, 11:36 AM
Manalang and Yu will have to adjust earlier than expected