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gameface_one
02-01-2006, 07:27 PM
Your thoughts and views on this topic gamefacers.

What would be its effect on the league and on DLSU itself?

green_minded
02-02-2006, 07:35 AM
Some Effects I Know: (just my take)
1. decrease in ticket sales
2. absence of scalpers
3. Araneta finally stops the "Gift Check Scheme" = decrease in sales on paticipating establishments
4. continuous bashing against dlsu at pex
5. decrease in sponsors

oca
02-02-2006, 08:18 AM
I read that there is a provision in the UAAP by-laws that no school can file for leave in the "center piece event of basketball". We don't know how this will actually be implemented with respect to DLSU filing of LOA.

Ganoon pa man, this LOA should be not be regarded as a mitigating factor in relation to sanction/s the league will impose on DLSU. This act of DLSU is a house-cleaning act. While a sanction is a penalty for acts of irregularity or anomaly.

Magkaiba yun.

oca
02-02-2006, 08:35 AM
Some Effects I Know: (just my take)
1. decrease in ticket sales
2. absence of scalpers
3. Araneta finally stops the "Gift Check Scheme" = decrease in sales on paticipating establishments
4. continuous bashing against dlsu at pex
5. decrease in sponsors


1. Decrease ticket sales.

Any league missing out a member will lose the proprotionate sales in ticket. It doesn't necessarily have to be a DLSU to have that effect. Will a greater decrease tickets sales result, this being a case of DLSU? Remains to be seen.

2. Absence of scalpers.

Panahon pa ng mga lolo natin, nariyan na ang mga yan. What makes you think they'll go on leave of absence together with DLSU?

3. Dito agree ako. Dahil medyo high-end ang mga outlets sa Gateway at sa immediate periphery ng Araneta Col. The profile of DLSU followers are a captured market.

4. Marami talagang walang magawa roon.

5. Decrease in sponsors.

I think many sponsors are there because of the LEAGUE ITSELF. Not just for 1 school. The UAAP has a captured viewership on TV. It has regular airtime. These are things that attract would be sponsors. For as long as the LEAGUE has that airtime, it will continue to attract sponsors. Remember we are a basketball republic and this is basketball being used as a medium. To the public- its basketball, not DLSU.

bigfreeze_bibby
02-02-2006, 08:49 AM
Absence of scalpers will be seen since there will be no more Ateneo-La Salle games if the LOA gets accepted by the board. Alam naman natin na yun yung pinakamalakas na game where scalpers are taking advantage aside from the finals game itself.

In terms of sponsors, there's an article coming from Manila Times saying that ABS-CBN threatens to pull out if there's no La Salle team next season. For some of you this may be BS since most of you will or can say that di naman La Salle ang team that attracts TV coverage for the UAAP and di naman La Salle ang center ng UAAP attraction eh. But then we'll see in the next days to come kung ano magiging outcome nito.

Thursday, February 02, 2006

ABS-CBN pulling out of UAAP?

THE eligibility scandal involving two De La Salle University players has placed the University Athletic Association of the Philippines Board in a bind after reports surfaced that television giant ABS-CBN is considering pulling out its coverage of the UAAP men’s basketball tournament—the league’s biggest revenue source—next season.

This was the reason, according to a Sports Times source, why the board was taking its time to finally decide on La Salle’s voluntary move to take a leave of absence in basketball.

ABS-CBN officials could not be contacted for comment at press time.

La Salle had informed UAAP Board president Father Maximino Rendon of Adamson University about its decision to take a temporary leave through a letter on January 25.

The board, according to the same source, will convene on February 8 in an emergency meeting to tackle the issue.

“Somebody had told them [UAAP] officials about a possible pullout by Channel 2 if there’s no La Salle team next season,” said the source, who requested anonymity.

“But majority of the board wants a suspension, that’s why they are studying all options because UAAP has a big [five-year] contract with ABS-CBN,” the source added.

Although University of the East is the host school next season, Adamson’s officials—Father Rendon and UAAP treasurer Ricardo Matibag—are exhausting all possibilities to make sure there will be television coverage of the basketball event, the source said.

La Salle admitted last October 12 that Mark Lester Benitez and Timoteo Gatchalian III had secured spurious documents to gain entry in college and play varsity for the Green Archers.

Since then, the UAAP Board has kept mum on what sanctions they would impose on La Salle, and even conducted its own investigation on the matter.

The board promised to announce possible sanctions to La Salle this month, although top officials of the Taft-based school threatened to take the case to the Supreme Court if the league will suspend the school for admitting its fault.

La Salle wrote the board that the school was inclined not to participate in the basketball event only, as it is the sport they want to concentrate on making changes.

But the UAAP has a rule that a participating school must have a team in the mandatory sports of basketball and volleyball to be able to compete in other events.
--Joel Orellana

Agent 008
02-02-2006, 11:14 AM
Assuming DLSU is allowed to take a leave of absence for the next season, it cannot be assumed that the UAAP sanction (possibly 1 year while some are batting for more) will no longer be carried out when they return for the following season. We could be looking at a two year absence by the archers...

Now about this ABS-CBN threat to pull-out...I really don't see a problem if they do. If anything, it will present as a huge opportunity for its rivals to enjoy the huge revenues they will leave behind. I'm sure Ch. 5, 7 and even Solar can take care of the slack. No biggie...

Possible effects on the league?

No full-house at the Araneta until the semifinals. And perhaps a less satisfying feeling from the eventual champions...kind of like when the Spurs won during the shortened NBA season (but I hope I am wrong on this one -- a champonship is a championship). Other than these, I see no reason why the UAAP will not continue to produce a premiere quality university level league this coming season.

oca
02-02-2006, 01:23 PM
ABS-CBN pull out?

1. Yes, that's BS.

2. I agree w/ agent. The other channels will be more than willing to make a bid in the event of ABN's pull out.

Actually, the bid need not come from a TV station. A production outfit who can buy airtime from any of the local stations will do. Remember Vintage Sports doing the production on the PBA? That set up can be as profitable to the UAAP. What is important is the production outfit can buy airtime from a TV station. IMO, that is the most crucial item but not very difficult to comply. Just look at the programming of Ch. 4, 9 , 13 and Solar and you'll realize may paglalagyan ang UAAP outside Studio 23.

But more significant, even ABC5 can give that airtime. Remember the PBA has amended its calendar, such they have their off-season during the collegiate basketball season.

Kung totoo ang bantang pull-out, sino tinakot ng mga Lopez ?

bchoter
02-02-2006, 01:27 PM
^ Baka naman hindi ABS-CBN and nagbanta? Pwede ring banta ito sa UAAP na kung ma suspinde and DLSU ay maaring mag-paso ang (malaking) contrata sa ABS-CBN.

tambay_sa_recto
02-02-2006, 01:36 PM
Tapusin na ang moro-moro, nakakasawa na! *Sa dinami-dami nang sinabi at sa sandamakmak pang sasabihin tungkol dito, iisa lang ang papupuntahan nito. *Kung FEU, UE, Adamson o NU and nagkasala tulad ng LaSalle, matagal nang tapos ang usapan at mahina ang isang taong suspension. *Kaso, isa sa mag bueno colegio ang may sala kaya may pa-presscon muna, isang napakahabang prusisyon ng mga press release, may konting girian at takutan at, pinakaimportatnte sa lahat, isang dinudugong proseso na ang resulta ay "everybody happy," everybody na nasa poder. *Politika na, showbiz pa! *Umasa pa kayo na hindi papayagan 'yang LOA na 'yan.

oca
02-02-2006, 01:50 PM
By the league's own by-laws, basketball is 1 of 2 compulsory events which no member can forego of competing at anytime. On this technicallity 'di pwede ang LOA ng DLSU.

Now, kung pag-iisipan mo... Napaka- t@ng@ ba ng DLSU para di malaman ang provision na ito ?

IMO, going on leave is not the intent when the LOA was filed. Pa pogi points lang yan sa league members at for positive public perception -- That they intend to do house cleaning. When infact they can do so w/out going on leave.

Besides, why go on leave. They have all the time to do that when the suspension is meted out.

tambay_sa_recto
02-02-2006, 01:55 PM
Some Effects I Know: (just my take)
...
4. continuous bashing against dlsu at pex
...


Wawa naman LaSalle. Kahit karamihan sa baranggay namin ay walang sariling computer at hindi man lang alam kung ano ang PEX, nakikiramay kami. Nakakasakit talaga ng loob ang ma-bash, continuously pa. Talagang masakit.

Sam Miguel
02-02-2006, 03:30 PM
I believe the absence of Lasalle should they go on LOA would indeed put a significant dent in the revenue stream of the UAAP for Season 69. Lasalle after all has many non-Lasallite fans who only watch their games and buy their merchandise, thanks in no small part to the popular appeal of Gameface Hardcore 5 2-guard Joseph Yeo. Still, even sans Lasalle this is hardly a deathknell to the league in general. If anything this will probably put renewed focus on the other glamour teams, Ateneo (everybody loves country clubbers playing a man's game) and FEU (everybody loves champions).

I do not believe however that the Season 69 champion will not be diminished just because Lasalle won't be around. Let us not forget that the reason Lasalle won't be around is because they admitted to breaking UAAP rules. I fail to see how the admission and eventual decision to file a Leave of Absence diminishes in any way the Season 69 tournament. If anything it merely goes to show that true sportsmanship isn't totally dead yet. An errant team came clean and is taking the consequences of its actions honorably. The UAAP will get past this and emerge a better league in the future.

BLUE HORSE
02-03-2006, 07:22 AM
This discussion of ABS-CBN pulling out of the UAAP basketball coverage is moot. There is an article in todays Manila Bulletin stating that ABS-CBN to honor UAAP tv contract.

oca
02-03-2006, 08:35 AM
DLSU absence to pull down ticket sales ?

May not necessarily be the case.

Bakit?

Well, we all know that DLSU is a perennial contender. Taking them out of the competition increases the odds on other schools like UP and UST.

The past years only the hardcore followers of the Maroons and Tigers have been frequenting the games. On the part of UST, add the currently enrolled students who are required by their PE teachers to attend selected games.

If both UP and UST live up to expectation and figure prominently next season, then the interest among their alumni and the non-hardcore fans may be heightened. Then we may find their gallery during their games increasing.

Will the increase in the UP and UST crowd make up for whatever would be lost from the absence of DLSU? By midway next season we can make a determination. But I do believe that not much would be lost in terms of ticket sales.

Bottom line really is COMPETITION.

If UP and UST make a fight of it with FEU, Ateneo and UE, then we shouldn't be surprised if gate receipts would even increase. Kahit wala ang LaSalle.

oca
02-03-2006, 08:54 AM
I do agree with the opinion that DLSUs absence will NOT diminish the prestige of the title of Season 69.

We must take note that they were not Champions of season 68. FEU won it fair and square. Therefore, we don't have a case here of a champion deprived of the chance to defend its title.

Then, we are all aware that they have many key players who are due to graduate or have played out their eligibility and cannot play next season. Essentially, under normal circumstances, DLSU will be entering season 69 on a rebuilding mode. However good their recruits are, they are untested. How many so called great talents have we seen unable to deliver in a big league like the UAAP?

Also, even before Season 68 actually ended, many were looking towards UE and Ateneo to figure prominently next season. They have strong "carry-over line-ups". They have strong new players. If any of the two eventually end as champion, its just a fullfillment of the promise they both have shown.

Agent 008
02-03-2006, 10:42 AM
Okay Oca...you've got me convinced. Whoever wins, the eventual Season 69 champs will enjoy every bit of honor and pride they will have rightfully deserved.

Also, your insights about the UP and UST crowd picking up the gate receipt slack is an excellent input. Just by sheer student population numbers, these two schools can pack the venues many times over. Let's hope they both have a good run. I am certainly looking forward to the next season...

bigfreeze_bibby
02-03-2006, 01:06 PM
La Salle won't go on season 69 in rebuilding mode. 4 ang mawawala and the replacements are already in place. Bilisan na lang sana ng board kung ano ba talaga ang plano nila sa La Salle para naman magawa din ng basketball management ang plano nila para sa team.

oca
02-03-2006, 05:27 PM
^
Rebuilding is not completed with the mere acquisition of good replacements and fielding them in developmental leagues.

Any team who loses 4 veterans will be short on experience and court savvy. Unless these replacements came from schools that competed in leagues where the level of play is at par or better than the UAAP, then these kids have a lot of learning to do. Learning is part of the rebuilding process.

This is the collegiate wars and experience counts a lot.

A case in point is incoming Ateneo player Bughao. A transferee from San Beda at NC', subok na ang calibre n'yan. Nawala man si Tenorio, 'di mo sasabihin na pilay sa guard position ang Ateneo dahil nga kay Bughao.

Can the same be said of the DLSU replacements?

Wang-Bu
02-03-2006, 09:25 PM
Pwede din namang masabi na "veteran newcomers" ang mga papasok na players ng Lasalle. Si Brian Ilad sometime 2003 pa lang na-feature na as an up and coming player in a smaller league sa isang mag, pero OK naman ang reviews sa kanya. Sa pinapakita niya sa FMC at HAIL ngayon mukhang immediate contributor siya sa 4 at 5 para sa Archers. Nasa 6-5 o 6-6 si Ilad, para ding Mark Borboran maglaro.

Si Randolph Soriano naman matinik na gwardiya, almost kasing-kalibre ni Bughao. Siempre hindi siya uubra sa angas ni Bughao pero kaya na din niyang makisabay sa ibang magagaling na player, may pukol pa, ganyan ang mga gagawa sa UAAP kung sakali.

Siempre ang tanong na lang diyan, gaya na nga ng sabi sa thread, maglalaro bang Lasalle next season?

atenean_blooded
02-04-2006, 06:20 PM
Quick comments:

1. The UAAP is about amateur athletics, not ticket sales, not revenues. SO WHAT if ticket sales take a dip if La Salle leaves and gets suspended? What we should focus on is promoting goodwill and amateur athletics, all in the ideal of mens sana en corpore sano.

The Ateneo and the UAAP DO NOT NEED La Salle for good basketball games. Other contenders have been making the games among all the other teams worthwhile--just ask the fans of UP, UST, FEU, UE, Adamson, and NU.

2. The LOA's another violation of the rules, although this time done in FULL AWARENESS. Unless, of course, La Salle agrees to have the LOA affect ALL varsity teams participating in the UAAP.

3. The LOA should not in any way mitigate suspension. If anything, the UAAP should accept a La Salle LOA for ALL varsity sports in the UAAP, and ADD to the duration of the LOA the appropriate duration of suspension, following the Adamson precedent.

MargaretThrasher
02-05-2006, 09:06 AM
^
Rebuilding is not completed with the mere acquisition of good replacements and fielding them in developmental leagues.

Any team who loses 4 veterans will be short on experience and court savvy. Unless these replacements came from schools that competed in leagues where the level of play is at par or better than the UAAP, then these kids have a lot of learning to do. Learning is part of the rebuilding process.

This is the collegiate wars and experience counts a lot.

Rebuilding in this case is also not just about all that you've said here.

What happened to La Salle put the credibility of its entire basketball program and, I suppose, its academic policy regarding school athletes into serious doubt. This time off is not just to give DLSU the time to get over the departures of its veterans, but also to think about what's happened, what went wrong and gave rise to this mess, and what should be done to prevent similar occurrences in the future.

Also, I agree that while ticket revenues will most definitely go down without La Salle in the league, attendance is way up so that the fans of other schools will take up most of the slack. (I'm sure a few of them will be happy that they'll have a bigger chance of getting good seats now.)

Wang-Bu
02-06-2006, 03:12 PM
Dapat kasi sa Lasalle aminin muna na may prublema nga sa kasalukyan ang recruitment system nila para sa varsity teams. Hindi ko kasi makita kung ano pa ang punto ng amateur basketball kung puro hugot rin lang ang gagawin. Worse, mga hugot na nga hindi pa totoong estudyante, ni hindi man lang pumapasok ang iba. Ang hirap kasi naging masyado ng cutthroat ang competition ngayon at grabe ng hugotan.

Kung ako masusunod mas tataasan ko ang academic standards for varsity athletes kasi hindi lang sila ordinaryong estudyante, they get public exposure with the tournaments they join, at dala nila ang pangalan ng paaralan nila. Sino naman kayang matinong tao ang papayag na isang kurnudong hindi man lang pumapasok sa klase dadalhin ang pangalan ng isang paaralan? Hindi kaya stupidity above and beyond na 'yon?

Agent 008
02-06-2006, 04:15 PM
Suggested viewing...Coach Carter.

bombet
03-08-2006, 03:10 AM
all schools in the Philippines practice this so-called win at all cost attitude. In the case of other lesses schools, they lose in the bidding war because they have nothing to offer. La Salle is fortunate to have generous alumni who finance this bidding war among talented prospective athletes. That's the way of life. La Salle has a sound educational institution aside from the prestige being associated with it. The other schools sour-graping or blaming La Salle for the mess in college basketball are hypocrites. Ateneo and La Salle are just fortunate to have the resources to finance their basketball programs. Walang inggitan. Its just unfortunate that this PEPTCR came into existence. Maybe the DECS-CHED should be blamed for it because it was abused to serve another purpose. Just abolish this absurd test.

tambay_sa_recto
03-08-2006, 05:16 AM
all schools in the Philippines practice this so-called win at all cost attitude. In the case of other lesses schools, they lose in the bidding war because they have nothing to offer. La Salle is fortunate to have generous alumni who finance this bidding war among talented prospective athletes. That's the way of life. La Salle has a sound educational institution aside from the prestige being associated with it. The other schools sour-graping or blaming La Salle for the mess in college basketball are hypocrites. Ateneo and La Salle are just fortunate to have the resources to finance their basketball programs. Walang inggitan. Its just unfortunate that this PEPTCR came into existence. Maybe the DECS-CHED should be blamed for it because it was abused to serve another purpose. Just abolish this absurd test.



Tama ka p're, kasalanan ng DECS lahat ng nangyayari sa DLSU. Kung sa barangay namin nangyari 'yan, iimbestigahan naming mabuti para ma-suspend ang mga tinamaan ng lekat na 'yan. Biruin mo gagawa-gawa ng test, hindi naman nililinaw na hindi naman pala pwedeng ipeke ang resulta tulad ng mga ibang dokumentong pampamahalaan. Kalokohan! Nadadamay tuloy ang mga inosenteng ang simpleng pangarap lamang ay manalo sa larong basketbol.

bigfreeze_bibby
03-08-2006, 07:16 AM
That is one problem also right now. We don't think that the UAAP board is also making effort to investigate the side of the DepEd or DECS regarding the possibilities of this document being faked.

bchoter
03-08-2006, 10:24 AM
The "PEP" test is a good thing that was used with bad intentions. I don't think it should be abolished. Madaming mga bata ang madadamay masamang hangarin ng iilan.

chief
03-08-2006, 01:33 PM
If you think about it, talagang matagal mag-desisyon ang UAAP board. Sayang din daw kasi pag pinayagan nilang mawala ang La Salle sa buong season 69. Actually if you think about it, i-accept na nila kung tatanggapin. Matagal na itong issue na ito. Anong petsa na?

bchoter
03-08-2006, 02:47 PM
With what is being said about Matibag in PEX and with the way Fr. de Sagun handled the coaching void at UST... we may just have the situation cleared up by the end of season 69

tambay_sa_recto
03-08-2006, 06:02 PM
That is one problem also right now. We don't think that the UAAP board is also making effort to investigate the side of the DepEd or DECS regarding the possibilities of this document being faked.



Pareng moderator, baka medyo nagmamadali ka 'nung binasa mo 'yung post ko. Pakibasa ulit nang marahan. O, kayong mga Atenista na tatawa-tawa diyan, magsitigil kayo!

bchoter
03-08-2006, 06:51 PM
<<< Sloooow :D

bigfreeze_bibby
03-09-2006, 07:10 AM
That is one problem also right now. We don't think that the UAAP board is also making effort to investigate the side of the DepEd or DECS regarding the possibilities of this document being faked.



Pareng moderator, baka medyo nagmamadali ka 'nung binasa mo 'yung post ko.* Pakibasa ulit nang marahan.* O, kayong mga Atenista na tatawa-tawa diyan, magsitigil kayo!




Patawad kung iba ang pagka-intindi ko sa isinulat mo. Yung sinulat ko regarding the possibility of the document being faked and involving DepEd in the investigation e ang huling pinagusapan kasi namin kaya yun ang naisulat ko. Tao lang po tayo at nagkakamali rin.

tambay_sa_recto
03-09-2006, 01:06 PM
Patawad kung iba ang pagka-intindi ko sa isinulat mo. Yung sinulat ko regarding the possibility of the document being faked and involving DepEd in the investigation e ang huling pinagusapan kasi namin kaya yun ang naisulat ko. Tao lang po tayo at nagkakamali rin.




Pasensiya na, p're, kung medyo malakas ang dating. Hindi man ako naniniwala na walang kinalaman ang kahit na isang mataas na opisyal ng DLSU sa pamemeke ng mga dokumento nila Gatchalian at Benitez, sumamsangayon ako sa iyo na dapat imbestigahan din ang DepEd. Hindi naman kami mga sabog na nag-iilusyon na mahabang suspensyon ang ipapataw sa DLSU. Ang nakakaasar lang, eh, alam naman nating lahat na negosyo ang malaking impluwensiya sa desisyon ng UAAP kaya hindi nila kayang bigyan ng mabigat na parusa ang DLSU kundi mababawasan nang malaki ang kita ng liga, bakit ang tagal-tagal namang lumabas 'yang resulta ng imbesitigasyon na 'yan? Iisa lang din naman ang pupuntahan, paliguy-liguy pa!

5FootCarrot
03-10-2006, 08:31 AM
Ang nakakaasar lang, eh, alam naman nating lahat na negosyo ang malaking impluwensiya sa desisyon ng UAAP kaya hindi nila kayang bigyan ng mabigat na parusa ang DLSU kundi mababawasan nang malaki ang kita ng liga, bakit ang tagal-tagal namang lumabas 'yang resulta ng imbesitigasyon na 'yan?* Iisa lang din naman ang pupuntahan, paliguy-liguy pa!
Amen!

It really frosts my cookies that the Board is taking so d@mn long in making its decision. Once upon a time, we could assume it was because they were doing a thorough investigation (and I did hear that the Board was allegedly investigating all schools, or all athletes in all UAAP sports, or something), but now it seems that they're just sleeping on it. ::)

I wish they would stop being wishy-washy about this and just decide already. Why not penalize DLSU for fielding a couple of ineligible players - for a year or whatever, so the sacred bottom line doesn't get hurt so much ::) - and then look into how they got past the system? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's already been established that the two players were ineligible and thousands of sports fans nationwide know that they were fielded at a time when they should not have been able to play.

I don't believe it's a UAAP function to mete out punishment for falsifying official documents, so while they are perfectly welcome to investigate the "how" of this case, I don't think this should be relevant to the Board's decision.

oca
03-10-2006, 09:29 AM
Parang awa naman nila sa UAAP Board.

Mag-decision naman sila bago matapos ang Marso.

Yung pagkaantala ng decision nila ay di nakakabuti kahit kanino.

bigfreeze_bibby
03-10-2006, 10:26 AM
Di natin alam takbo ng utak ng UAAP board. Baka sa Mayo pa yan maglabas ng desisyon.

bigfreeze_bibby
03-10-2006, 10:29 AM
By the way tapos na nga pala ang UAAP season since na-award na ata sa UST ang overall championship. Siguro naman wala nang iba pang pagkaka-abalahan ang UAAP board at maaari na nilang bigyan ng pansin ang kaso ng La Salle.

bigfreeze_bibby
03-16-2006, 07:19 AM
La Salle fate now up to UAAP board
By Joey Villar
The Philippine Star 03/16/2006

De La Salle University’s fate is now up to the UAAP board to decide.

Divided on the issue for months, La Salle finally came up with a unified stand as it left it to the league board to make the final verdict regarding the eligibility scandal the school is involved in.

In a media advisory, Malou Caluma, head of La Salle’s Marketing Communications Office, said the decision was arrived at in the school’s board of trustees meeting Tuesday on the Taft campus.

Bro. Armin Lluistro, La Salle system president, and Dr. Carmelita Quebengco, La Salle’s vice president for academic affairs, attended the meeting.

"La Salle has decided to leave the final decision to the UAAP board whether to suspend La Salle in all events in the 69th UAAP season or consider La Salle’s leave of absence in men’s basketball only," said the board in a statement.

Upon learning of La Salle’s decision yesterday, UAAP president Fr. Max Rendon, CM, of Adamson, said all La Salle can do right now is to wait for the final verdict.

"Let them (La Salle) wait," said Rendon.

Rendon said the five-man ad-hoc committee is expected to complete its investigation and come up with a recommendation before the month ends.

Fact-finding committee chair Fr. Ermito de Sagon, OP, of Santo Tomas, said they still have to interview some more personalities before coming up with an investigation.

"We’ll be finalizing our investigation soon," he said.

Sources said suspension is one possible punishment La Salle is facing just like what happened to Adamson, which was suspended in 1994 for fielding in Marlou Aquino despite academic deficiencies.

The board has already rejected La Salle’s request for a leave in basketball because under league rules, teams can only participate in other sports if they can field a team in the mandatory events of basketball and volleyball.

Comments lang po dito sa article na ito:

"Let them (La Salle) wait," said Rendon. - Hanggang kelan kami mag-aantay dito?

"We’ll be finalizing our investigation soon," he said. - Kelan din itong "soon" na ito? Sa Mayo pa ba ito ilalabas?

Rendon said the five-man ad-hoc committee is expected to complete its investigation and come up with a recommendation before the month ends. - Sana nga mangyari na ito kasi before sinabi ninyo na March 15 maglalabas, napapansin lang namin na paurong ng paurong ang petsa. Don't tell us again pagdating ng end or March e sa mid April na naman ilalabas ang desisiyon nyo.

gameface_one
03-16-2006, 08:14 AM
Results of UAAP probe on DLSU scandal out in April
NCAA tightens admission policies


First posted 03:23am (Mla time) Mar 16, 2006
By Jasmine W. Payo
Inquirer



Editor's Note: Published on page A22 of the Mar. 16, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer


THE UAAP committee tasked to probe the De La Salle University eligibility scandal has wrapped up its investigation and will release its findings by next month.

The fact-finding committee, headed by Fr. Ermito de Sagon of the University of Santo Tomas, completed its interviews and data gathering on the case involving Archers Mark Benitez and Tim Gatchalian.

The five-man panel is expected to finish drafting the report this month. It will then present its findings to the board in April.

In a statement released yesterday, La Salle said that its board of trustees “decided to leave the final decision to the UAAP board” on whether to suspend La Salle in all events next season or “consider La Salle’s (application for) leave of absence in the men’s basketball event only.”

To avoid the UAAP experience, the NCAA will enforce stricter admission policies starting next season.

Incoming student-athletes who will submit certificates of the Philippine Educational Placement Test must now sit out for one year before suiting up for a team.

“We all know what happened with La Salle in the UAAP and we don’t want that to happen,” said Fr. Vic Calvo of Letran College, the league’s outgoing management committee chair. “Admission of PEP tests will be strictly checked -- double-checked and triple-checked. There will be a one-year residency before we allow them to play.”

The PEP Test is a government exam taken in lieu of a high school diploma.

College of St. Benilde will be the host of the 82nd NCAA season. Incoming management committee chair Bernie Atienza and policy board head Edmund Fernandez represented St. Benilde during the turnover rites yesterday at Letran College.

Kid Cubao
03-16-2006, 08:21 AM
my view here is that the results would have been released much earlier had season 68 been under the stewardship of another host school. it's clear fr. max rendon and dr. ric matibag are way over their heads managing the affairs of athetic competition. i just hope UE will do a better job as host school this coming season.

gameface_one
03-16-2006, 08:23 AM
La Salle asks UAAP to decide its fate
manila Bulletin Online, Mar. 16, 2006


By kristel satumbaga

De La Salle University is tossing the ball back to the University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP).


The school’s board of trustees decided Tuesday to leave La Salle’s fate to the UAAP board which it has asked to make the final decision on whether the school should be suspended in all sports events in the coming season or to accept its request of taking a one-year leave of absence only in basketball.

"DLSU-Manila Board of Trustees, in its meeting, decided to leave the final decision to the UAAP Board," said La Salle Marketing Communications official Malou Caluma in a text message.

The university is expected to send the report to the board by the end of the week.

UAAP President Fr. Max Rendon C.M., when informed of this development, said they will come up with the decision once the ad hoc committee investigating the scandal submits its reports and recommendation.

"If they wanted us to decide, then we will do it as soon as possible," Rendon said. He said he was hopeful the investigation would be concluded this month.

The ad hoc committee, chaired by Fr. Ermito De Sagun O.P. of the University of Santo Tomas, had already finished its data gathering on La Salle cagers Mark Benitez and Tim Gatchalian who La Salle said had played for the Green Archers despite not having a high school diploma.

La Salle’s disclosure sent shockwaves in the country’s sports community, coming as it did at the height of the championship series between La Salle and Far Eastern University last year.

La Salle was forced to return the UAAP basketball championship trophy it won in 2004 as a result of this scandal.

Last month, La Salle told the UAAP Board that it was voluntarily taking a one-year leave of absence from basketball as a form of self-punishment. But the school reserved the right to play all other UAAP events. The board rejected the proposal.

League rules state that a member school must abandon all sporting events if it cannot participate in basketball and volleyball, the two compulsary sports for UAAP members.

bchoter
03-16-2006, 10:41 AM
"If they wanted us to decide, then we will do it as soon as possible," Rendon said. He said he was hopeful the investigation would be concluded this month.

Do they really need to be told by the very institution they were investigating about this? Isn't this their call in the first place? What a bunch if imbecilles.

chba_dude
03-16-2006, 09:07 PM
Parang natatakot magkamali ang UAAP Board. Come out with a decision already. So everybody involved will have an idea on what the next course of action would be.

arhtmahn
03-17-2006, 12:52 AM
La Salle fate now up to UAAP board
By Joey Villar
The Philippine Star 03/16/2006

De La Salle University’s fate is now up to the UAAP board to decide.

Upon learning of La Salle’s decision yesterday, UAAP president Fr. Max Rendon, CM, of Adamson, said all La Salle can do right now is to wait for the final verdict.

"Let them (La Salle) wait," said Rendon.






La Salle asks UAAP to decide its fate
manila Bulletin Online, Mar. 16, 2006
By kristel satumbaga

De La Salle University is tossing the ball back to the University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP).

UAAP President Fr. Max Rendon C.M., when informed of this development, said they will come up with the decision once the ad hoc committee investigating the scandal submits its reports and recommendation.

"If they wanted us to decide, then we will do it as soon as possible," Rendon said.




Assuming that DLSU wanted them to decide, will they let DLSU finish waiting before they decide as soon as possible, or will they decide as soon as possible while DLSU waits, or will they decide as soon as possible then let DLSU wait?

Kid Cubao
03-17-2006, 07:45 AM
i'd love to put erap, lito lapid, alma moreno, melanie marquez, and fr. max in a roundtable discussion and see if they can make sense with each other.

bchoter
03-17-2006, 12:24 PM
I bumped into Mr. Matibag and he expressed surprise at the people's reaction because for him the issue is "hindi naman basta-basta".

shyboy
03-17-2006, 10:26 PM
I bumped into Mr. Matibag and he expressed surprise at the people's reaction because for him the issue is "hindi naman basta-basta".


Yes it isn't "basta basta." But it doesn't have to take this long either.

bigfreeze_bibby
03-18-2006, 09:58 AM
I just want to share this insight coming from david64 from archerpride.com:

The papers of Benitez and Gatchalian are genuine, and as such, the ONLY source is the Dep Ed. These are special papers,and are closely monitored while being manufactured and printed on. Would'nt you think that the UAAP Board should be looking at where the paper(s) came from, who could have 'taken' these from Dep Ed, where was it 'faked' and so on. If they can find this out, they would be close to solving the whole thing!

It's funny that they have'nt tried talking to anyone in Dep Ed. Could it be they don't want to listen to what the Dep Ed has to say-about other people with fake test results, as has been reportedly said by the Dep Ed? Is this witch hunt solely to try to pin the blame on DLSU thru its basketball officials? If this is the tip of the iceberg, these people don't want to know what's beneath the water-baka masabit ang marami pa, pati sila na rin.

As it is, there will be no hard evidence, or anything that can be corroborated, so how do you come up with a decision that can pinpoint even one particular person. The UAAP Board obviously wants to pin certain people down, and their entire investigation is based on getting the players to point at certain team officials/people and then connecting these persons to the Head Coach; at which time they shall conclude that there was complicity. The thing is: NO EVIDENCE.

Could this have happened? - PEOPLE CLOSE TO BENITEZ AND GATCHALIAN, RELATIVES?, FRIENDS?, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR BASKETBALL CAREERS WOULD TAKE OFF, AND PERPETRATED THE FRAUD AFTER THE TWO PLAYERS FLUNKED THE FIRST TIME.

Possible? Maybe more so than what the UAAP Board wants to force down our throats.

At the end of the day, a waste of everyone's time; still, of course they feel they made La Salle (and its basketball program) suffer through the ordeal.

gameface_one
03-19-2006, 06:47 PM
DLSU to act only after UAAP verdict
By Joey Villar
The Philippine Star 03/19/2006


What’s De La Salle University thinking?

Several days after leaving its fate to the UAAP board by announcing it will not file a leave of absence in all sports, La Salle had a sudden change of heart and decided to make its move only after the league had come up with a final verdict.

"DLSU would like to clarify earlier reports regarding the UAAP issue. It will wait for the UAAP to conclude its investigation after which, DLSU will decide its next course of action," La Salle said in a statement.

The recent media advisory was a retraction to La Salle’s earlier statements that it would just leave it up to the board chaired by Fr. Max Rendon, CM, of Adamson to decide on the eligibility scandal the school is involved in.

"La Salle has decided to leave the final decision to the UAAP board whether to suspend La Salle in all events in the 69th UAAP season or consider La Salle’s leave of absence in men’s basketball only," La Salle said in a statement released Wednesday.

It came a day after La Salle’s board of trustees and top officials met on the Taft campus. Bro. Armin Lluistro, La Salle system president, and Dr. Carmelita Quebengco, vice president for academic affairs, attended the meeting.

A source said La Salle might reiterate its request for a leave in basketball despite being turned down and told the first time to take leave in all events since under league rules, a school will not be allowed to participate in other events if it couldn’t field a team in the mandatory sports of basketball and volleyball.

Or, La Salle could be contemplating on seeking redress in court should the board decide to slap it a one-year suspension as it insisted it has no knowledge in fielding in two ineligible players–Mark Benitez and Tim Gatchalian–during the 2003-2004 seasons.

"That’s one option," said the same source.

The adhoc committee headed by Fr. Ermito de Sagon, OP, of Santo Tomas is on the verge of wrapping up its inquiry and might be making a recommendation before the month ends.

"We’re still interviewing a few more personalities," said de Sagon in an earlier statement.

The recommendation could be pointing at a one-year suspension, the same punishment slapped on Adamson in 1994 for fielding in Marlou Aquino despite academic deficiencies.

gameface_one
03-20-2006, 09:49 AM
‘Verdict on DLSU will be just, fair’
By Joey Villar
The Philippine Star 03/20/2006

The UAAP decision on the eligibility scandal involving La Salle will be just and fair, according to league board chairman Fr. Max Rendon, CM, of Adamson.

"The board will decide based on committee findings," said Rendon, referring to the investigation being conducted by the ad hoc committee headed by Fr. Ermito de Sagon, OP, of Santo Tomas.

The five-man fact-finding committee will talk to a few more personalities who could help shed light on the case. It is expected to wind up its probe this week and submit its recommendation to the UAAP board.

A source said La Salle could face a one-year ban from the league for fielding in two ineligible players — Tim Gatchalian and Mark Benitez — during the 2004-2005 seasons, similar to the one slapped on Adamson in 1994 for fielding in Marlou Aquino despite academic deficiencies.

But a La Salle insider said they shouldn’t be suspended since the Aquino case is different from theirs.

"Adamson was caught doing it while La Salle admitted it in good faith and La Salle shouldn’t be suspended for that," said the same source.

Rendon said La Salle could go to court if it wants to.

It was in fact one of the options the school has considered if it is suspended and Bro. Armin Luistro, La Salle system president, himself first broached the idea in November last year when the school admitted that Benitez and Gatchalian have used fake admission documents.

"It’s everyone’s right," said Rendon.

Far Eastern U senior board representative Anton Montinola, for his part, said that whatever decision the board would make would be based on facts.

"Let’s just all wait for the verdict and understand its basis," he said.

Top La Salle officials, including Luistro and Dr. Carmelita Quebengco, vice-president for academic affairs, met last week and decided not to file a leave of absence in all sports.

But a few days later, Malou Caluma, head of the school’s Marketing Communication Office, sent a retraction that it would make a move only after the league had come up with the final verdict.

"DLSU will wait for the UAAP to conclude its investigation after which, DLSU will decide its next course of action," La Salle said in a statement.

MargaretThrasher
03-27-2006, 06:07 PM
Sorry if I'm being off-topic or jumping the gun on gameface_one, I just thought I'd post the following on this thread since it seems like it still has something to do with the discussion.

La Salle ready to play in UAAP
By Joaquin Henson
The Philippine Star 03/27/2006

Even as its fate in the University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) hangs in the balance, La Salle is determined to rationalize the Green Archers varsity basketball program and will be ready to play this coming season.

A high-ranking school official said recently although the Archers are now coach-less, an announcement on who will call the shots for the team is expected after the UAAP Board releases its decision next week on whether or not to sanction La Salle for enlisting two players with fake high school eligibility documents.

Two candidates are now in La Salle’s short list for head coach.

Franz Pumaren resigned in the wake of the player eligibility scandal last year although he said it was his understanding that if and when he is cleared of any wrongdoing, he will be reinstated. He had two years left in his contract when he tendered his resignation in a one-on-one meeting with La Salle president Bro. Armin Luistro.

No school official could confirm if Pumaren will be reappointed in the event he is cleared by the UAAP Board. It was not certain if he is in the short list of candidates to coach the Archers. A candidate is reportedly Red Bull assistant coach Gee Abanilla, a former La Salle player.

A source said if the Board suspends La Salle, it must be on the grounds of complicity and ratified by a three-fourths vote.

In an earlier statement, Bro. Luistro said he will go all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary, if La Salle is accused of involvement in the scam.

Since complicity is the premise for suspension, it appears La Salle will sue the UAAP Board if the decision is to suspend the school.

Because of the uncertainty of the future, La Salle’s basketball team is in limbo. Assistant coach Tonichi Yturri was recently recruited to join Derick Pumaren’s staff at Talk ‘N’ Text in the Philippine Basketball Association. The contracts of Yturri and other assistant coaches Tyrone Bautista and Jack Santiago will reportedly not be renewed when they expire in July, leaving a cloud of doubt as to a clear direction for the varsity.

Star player Ryan Arana’s departure has made things worse. Arana has accumulated 24 units of failures and is not academically qualified to reenroll at La Salle.

Another blow that struck the varsity was the loss of its chief benefactor who is a successful businessman and alumnus. The resignation of team manager Terry Capistrano was another setback. La Salle is now in the process of inviting a new management group for the Archers.

The demoralization was evident in La Salle’s 33-point loss to the University of the East (UE) on the Archers’ homecourt in the recent Home and Away League.

But a team insider said La Salle Zobel high school star Simon Atkins is definitely joining the Archers despite being courted by several schools in both the UAAP and National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). Atkins recently passed the entrance exams at La Salle.

Atkins’ high school teammates Migs de Asis, Dandoy Salvador and Martin Reyes, however, are likely to join the University of the Philippines Maroons. They played for the Zobel squad that won the UAAP juniors title this season.

Also confirmed to be ready to make his Archers debut is Serbian 6-6 forward Marko Batricevic who has completed his residency requirements. Batricevic played a year for the La Salle Green Hills high school varsity in the NCAA.

La Salle sought a one-year leave of absence from the UAAP Board for men’s basketball as a way of expressing its resolve to undertake a long overdue rationalization of the varsity sports program. But when the leave of absence was turned down, school officials said they will be prepared to play in the next basketball season.

Under UAAP rules, basketball and volleyball are mandatory sports for every school. A leave of absence only from basketball is therefore not possible.

La Salle’s rationalization program includes revisiting the school policies on recruitment, scholarships, maintaining academic standards and career counseling.

While there is no clue as to the UAAP Board’s decision, several quarters are calling for sobriety and calm. Sen. Dick Gordon of Ateneo recently said in media a suspension would be too harsh a penalty for La Salle. Others who share Gordon’s sentiments said it was La Salle who volunteered the information on the ineligible players and should not be penalized for publicly disclosing the anomaly and initiating an investigation to determine the culprits.

"Suspending La Salle would send a wrong message to other schools that may also uncover similar irregularities," said an alumnus. "Perhaps, a reasonable option is to allow La Salle to continue playing on probation."

It is not certain if UE, the next UAAP season host, will support a move to suspend La Salle because of the Archers’ drawing power. Studio 23 may even ask the UAAP Board for a discount in paying its fee for the telecast rights in case La Salle is suspended.

A source said the two La Salle-Ateneo basketball games in the regular season generate enough ticket sales to pay for the expenses of the entire league.

gameface_one
03-28-2006, 12:49 AM
Margaret, no problem with this. I actually encourage everybody to copy and paste all news available basta ba within topic.

Feel free to do it.

bigfreeze_bibby
03-28-2006, 10:43 AM
The UAAP board will have a special meeting this Thursday. Meeting agenda wasn't released though but we have a gut feel that the board will tackle the fate of the school and hopefully release their verdict on the case.

bigfreeze_bibby
03-30-2006, 07:49 AM
I hope the board can read this article.

Judgment day?
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
The Philippine Star 03/30/2006

Lunch will be served during the meeting of the University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Board of Trustees at the Casino Espańol off Taft Avenue today but I’m not sure if La Salle representatives Danny Jose and Lito Tanjuatco are ready to enjoy the food.

There’s nothing in the written agenda of the meeting to indicate a decision will be made on La Salle’s fate in the coming UAAP season. An update on the investigation of the Board’s fact-finding committee, formed to determine culpability in the enlistment of two ineligible La Salle players the last three years, is certain to be reported but whether it will lead to a conclusion or a vote to decide a penalty, if at all, is up in the air.

The scuttlebutt is some members of the Board are eager to put things to a head or in blunt terms, La Salle’s head on the chopping block. Whether the feeling of animosity is justified or not is debatable. But it’s widely speculated that at least three schools envy La Salle’s track record of academic and athletic excellence and can’t wait to pull the trigger.

The anti-La Salle bloc isn’t giving the school any credit for voluntarily coming out in the open to disclose the anomaly, which could’ve easily been swept under the rug and nobody would’ve noticed.

The penalty for fielding an ineligible player is the forfeiture of the game or games where he saw action. Aware of this sanction, La Salle surrendered the trophy it won two years ago when the ineligible players were on the roster. It has also yielded the runner-up points (in the computation for the UAAP overall championship) the Archers gained in this season’s senior basketball competition.

Next month, the UAAP Board convenes for its annual meeting where the official turnover of the hosting honors will be made. Whatever the Board decides as to La Salle’s fate should be known by then, meaning it’s possible a vote will be taken today.

How to deal with La Salle in light of its disclosure is causing a lot of headaches and heartaches.

The options available to the Board are to suspend La Salle from participating in all UAAP events for one or more years, to suspend La Salle only in men’s basketball for one or more years, to put La Salle on probation but allow the school to continue participating in all UAAP events or to leave things as they are, meaning no action will be taken for or against La Salle.

Because of the enlistment of ineligible players, the fourth option is not likely to be accepted.

To suspend La Salle only in men’s basketball will go against UAAP rules which stipulate every school must participate in two mandatory sports, basketball and volleyball. La Salle had previously asked for a leave of absence only from men’s basketball but the request was denied. It would be an act of inconsistency if the Board would now allow the leave of absence after the denial.

There is talk that at least two schools are considering to push for the selective suspension despite the denial of the leave of absence, citing La Salle’s own request as basis for justification. But that would be seriously impairing the Board’s credibility. Besides, La Salle has moved forward in fast-tracking its rationalization of the schools’ varsity program and it would be unfair to impose the selective suspension at this point.

Suspending La Salle from participating in all UAAP events isn’t only extremely out of proportion but also cruel. It would mean crushing the hopes of athletes, who had nothing to do with the anomaly, of participating in the UAAP.

Under UAAP rules, a suspension–whether selective or total–can only be meted out if it is proved that there is complicity of the school in an anomaly or violation of the rules. The rules also stipulate that in a motion to suspend, a member school must submit a charge sheet citing the grounds for suspension to the school under investigation and must prove beyond doubt the school’s complicity.

Surely, there will be much debate on what constitutes complicity and whether contracted team employees bind the school by their actions.

It won’t be easy to "railroad" a suspension by immediately calling for a vote because in the process of submitting a charge sheet, the accused school has the right to due process and can question the grounds for suspension. At least six votes are necessary to carry a vote of suspension.

If a suspension is slapped on La Salle, it will send a wrong message to the public that being transparent and honest doesn’t pay. You wouldn’t expect another school to voluntarily disclose something similar in the future.

Is illegal recruitment a rampant practice in the UAAP? Is it true that some schools don’t even subject star athletes to entrance examinations? Let he who has no fault cast the first stone.

La Salle president Bro. Armin Luistro has already declared if the UAAP Board accuses the school of complicity, it will sue for libel to defend the reputation of the institution.

Fr. Max Rendon of the UAAP Board has assured everyone that whatever is the decision on La Salle’s fate, it will be fair and just.

There is no room for envy, malice, hidden agendas and treachery in the UAAP Board. La Salle’s case is a rare opportunity for the UAAP Board to close ranks, set aside parochial interests and do something positive for the league.

La Salle has suffered enough humiliation. It’s time to move on.

Out_Of_The_Blue
05-30-2006, 08:26 AM
Hey Bibby, maybe you can provide us with the game skeds of DLSU - which leagues the team is planning to join and their final line-ups. Maybe you could start a new thread about this. Heard that they are joining the next conference of the FMC. Heard also that you have new recruits from NCAA schools. This sure is the perfect time to beef up the team and prepare for next year's UAAP.

bigfreeze_bibby
05-31-2006, 01:41 PM
Hey Bibby, maybe you can provide us with the game skeds of DLSU - which leagues the team is planning to join and their final line-ups. Maybe you could start a new thread about this. Heard that they are joining the next conference of the FMC. Heard also that you have new recruits from NCAA schools. This sure is the perfect time to beef up the team and prepare for next year's UAAP.

Sa ngayon ay wala pang balita kung saang tournaments sasali ang Green Archers. Pag nagkaroon naman ng balita, I'll just make a separate thread for it and if regular lurkers din naman kayo sa archerpride.com malamang mababalitaan nyo na yun doon. Wala naman akong binabalita dito na di nanggagaling doon.

LION
06-01-2006, 03:58 PM
Jem, I replied to your PM. I don't know if you received it. Am posting here because the Mike B. thread was closed.

jembengzon
06-01-2006, 04:39 PM
thank you. please check your inbox :)

Joescoundrel
06-01-2006, 04:45 PM
Everybody's come crawling out of the woodwork...

LION
06-01-2006, 04:47 PM
I read your second PM Jem. *Salamat.

Regards to the Ateneans. *

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